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 I'm up and running againthank god! 
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Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY

anyone know of a retirement home for 2?


 




I live in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago; abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is nil. 

Thanks 

Richard




On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:21:40 -0400 "rjmondello" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Hi,

My name is Richard Mondello and I have two adult cats that I can't find a home for. They are 17 but in very good health. I will be moving infour weeks and my new home will not allow pets. Can you direct me to a place where the cats would not be put down? I am prepared to make a donation for help. As stated, the cats are in good health, declawed and very friendly. I've contacted some organizations but have been told that adult cats are difficult to place.

Thanks for your time,
Richard
To you, it's just a temporary gift of a bit of space and some extra food~ to him it is the immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of fostering!('') 

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Re: Bramble

Michelle,

I'm s behind on my emails I'm reading them backwards, so I'm assuming Bramble is hanging in there for now. Good luck. I hope this works out soon, and for the better!

tonya"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prayers coming for Bramble! We are all pulling for you! GloriaAt 01:34 PM 6/8/2005, you wrote:Thankyou for you supportWell I stood in the vets sobbing my heart out - she considered the flea treatment and said she thinks it is highly unlikely but she couldn't rule it out. She had only ever seen seizures once from stronghold in a dog whose owner administered it orally accidently - how silly can people be. And she said that she would expect continuous seizure if it was the flea treatment. I said I wasn't convinced and that more and more people are experiencing adverse reactions but are not reporting them or the companies are not making them known.I stood there and whilst I had the doubt in my mind that the flea treatment had exacerbated these symptoms as opposed to it being
purely FIV related I was fighting for him. The vet said if he was her cat she would euthanase as he had suffered enough but she also said I have tried so hard along with Bramble and could see I wanted him to pull through. She was surprised that he had had 48hrs been seizures and we agreed that if he has another seizure within 24 hrs then I will have him euthanased - but I will watch him for another 24hrs to see what happens.So fingers crossed - he is depressed at the moment but it is only a few hours since his last seizure.Michelle L

RE: Sebastian Update

Title: Message



I find 
Pet Tinic works well. It is a liquid vitamin, high in iron and is an appetite 
enhancer as well.

I hope 
Sebastian continues to improve.

Joan

  
  -Original Message-From: JENNIFER RATLIFF 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 
  10:22 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Sebastian Update
  
  
  Sebastian has been doing alot better. His hind legs are getting a 
  little stronger. I am still looking for a good vet that has alot of 
  exprience dealing with +kitties. I have tried to pull up the list on the 
  kitties website, but I can't for some reason. I live in West 
  Virginia. Also, does anyone know of any vitamins or supplements that I 
  should being giving Sebastian on a daily basis to help with his appetite and 
  immune system.
  P.S I am praying for 
Bramble.

Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq/please read!!!!

please first contact bonnie at the www.militarymascots.org website.
organizations like hers really advise against such action as it only leads
to more operations like vector control I believe it is called--and more
dogs and cats are killed in roundups with such reasons as rabies, etc given.
A case like this would be different is it was stateside but this happened
way out of the public's eye and away from constant monitoring. yes it was
horrible but you don't want a backlash where some brass says, just get rid
of all the damn mutts already so there's no publicity period.

- Original Message -
From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:18 AM
Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq


 I would pass it on to anyone who loves animals.

 Bonnie

  www.elephants.com

 - Original Message -
 From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:34 pm
 Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

  I wonder who we should contact?  Senators/reps?  news media?
 
  t
 
  BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/
 
  www.elephants.com

Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq/please read!!!!

oops make that , a case like this would be different IF it was stateside...
- Original Message -
From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq/please read

 please first contact bonnie at the www.militarymascots.org website.
 organizations like hers really advise against such action as it only leads
 to more operations like vector control I believe it is called--and more
 dogs and cats are killed in roundups with such reasons as rabies, etc
given.
 A case like this would be different is it was stateside but this happened
 way out of the public's eye and away from constant monitoring. yes it was
 horrible but you don't want a backlash where some brass says, just get rid
 of all the damn mutts already so there's no publicity period.

 - Original Message -
 From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:18 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

  I would pass it on to anyone who loves animals.

  Bonnie

   www.elephants.com

  - Original Message -
  From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:34 pm
  Subject: Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq

   I wonder who we should contact?  Senators/reps?  news media?

   t

   BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   http://usmilitarykillsdogs.allsupportgroup.info/

   www.elephants.com

Re: Activism and Bramble

Title: AOL Email





  

  
  

  
  Michelle,
  Oh, I have been praying for you and Bramble, and I just 
  can't imagine how much you are going thru... We have all been there, but 
  everyone's own reactions/emotions, though quite similar are still "unique" 
  for that guardian.
  I adopted a girl who had calcivirus, lost her right eye, 
  and her left eye, though milky white, still had some vision.
  I have also lost some to FIP, one for sure, she was a 
  baby, and a necropsy was done.
  Then 2 of my older boys, that I was "fostering" 
  (permanently) appeared to succomb to FIP. One, wet form, other, 
  dry.I chose NOT to do necropsies, I just could not stand the thought 
  of cutting open  dissecting their bodies.
  It has been a couple years since Oden passed, and 
  although some of my cats did have high corona titres, they have remained 
  in good health.
  I will get activism info out to you off list, have to do 
  some special research since you are in the UK.
  Please know you  Bramble remain in my thoughts and 
  prayers.
  And also, remember how lucky little Bramble is to have 
  YOU!!
  Hugs,
  Patti

Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

Title: AOL Email





  

  
  

  
  Tonya,
  Have you directed him to "Angel's 
  Gate"? That's right on the Island, only about an hour, or so 
  away.
  Susan may take their age into 
  consideration  agree to take them...
  (My Felix was 
  19)
  All their info, (addy, phone, etc) 
  on their web site:
  Angelsgate.org
  It certainly is worth a 
  try!Patti

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

Title: Message



The ASPCA in New York City has 
a Seniors for Seniors program.

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:44 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please 
  Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
  
  

  


  

Tonya,
Have you directed him to 
"Angel's Gate"? That's right on the Island, only about an hour, or so 
away.
Susan may take their age into 
consideration  agree to take them...
(My Felix was 
19)
All their info, (addy, phone, 
etc) on their web site:
Angelsgate.org
It certainly is worth a 
try!Patti

The convent ferals - GOOD NEWS

2005-06-10 Thread Kathy Gittel

I wrote to the neighborhoodcats group to ask how it was going with the 
ferals the nuns were starving and got this reply:
___

We have trapped 5 of what turns out to be 8 cats and have seen the 
remaining
three.  All are in good health and had a day to eat before we started 
trapping.
 Hopefully we'll get the rest soon.

Thanks for being concerned,
Bryan Kortis

Re: The convent ferals - GOOD NEWS

2005-06-10 Thread carlas

Goodnews!

Carla

From:   Kathy Gittel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date sent:  Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:49:10 -0400
Subject:The convent ferals - GOOD NEWS
Send reply to:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I wrote to the neighborhoodcats group to ask how it was going with the
 ferals the nuns were starving and got this reply:
 ___

 We have trapped 5 of what turns out to be 8 cats and have seen the
 remaining three.  All are in good health and had a day to eat before
 we started trapping.
  Hopefully we'll get the rest soon.

 Thanks for being concerned,
 Bryan Kortis

Re: Activism and Bramble

2005-06-10 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Blind kitties can live very normal lives, from what your saying it 
sounds like Bramble is slowly improving, I would reconsider and give him 
more time to see what happens.   Over the counter flea medications can 
and do cause very serious side effects and even kill animals (take Hartz 
for example, they are recalling another one of their products).  And if 
an animals does have a reaction it satnds to reason it would take quite 
a while for it to leave their system and for them to recover. Did you 
wash off the area it was applied to to keep it from soaking in further?


There are also certain things that cause temorary blindness so I 
wouldn't rule that out yet either, just thinking out load and from your 
last post it seems bramble is very slowly improving, and just so you 
know, if it was a reaction to the flea medication, he may improve 
greatly but never be 100%. 


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Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

Title: AOL Email





  

  
  

  
  
  In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
The ASPCA in New York 
City has a Seniors for Seniors program.

  
  -Original 
  
  
  That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting 
  list?
  Patti

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

Title: Message



I don't know. He should 
call. 

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:37 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please 
  Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
  
  

  


  


In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The ASPCA in New York 
  City has a Seniors for Seniors program.
  

-Original 


That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting 
list?
Patti

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

Title: Message



He should always mentioned that 
they are declawed! Lots of people want already declawed 
cats.

  
  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:37 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please 
  Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA
  
  

  


  


In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:47:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  The ASPCA in New York 
  City has a Seniors for Seniors program.
  

-Original 


That is wonderful news! Is there a waiting 
list?
Patti

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY

2005-06-10 Thread Chris









He could try Angels Gate which is
near him. Also, North Shore does have a retirement plan for animals but it does
cost some. How does he know they are 17 if he took them off the street a
few years ago?





Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:19
AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please Help!! 2 17y old
healthy cats...NY





anyone
know of a retirement home for 2?



 









I live
in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago;
abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is
nil. 











Thanks












Richard













On Tue,
7 Jun 2005 20:21:40 -0400 rjmondello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:









Hi,











My name is Richard Mondello and I have two adult cats that I can't
find a home for. They are 17 but in very good health. I will be moving
infour weeks and my new home will not allow pets. Can you direct me
to a place where the cats would not be put down? I am prepared to make a
donation for help. As stated, the cats are in good health, declawed and very
friendly. I've contacted some organizations but have been told that adult cats
are difficult to place.











Thanks for your time,





Richard



















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you, it's just a temporary gift of a bit of space and some extra food~ to him
it is the immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of
fostering!('') 












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Re: Angels Wings, et al: ACTIVISM NEEDED




Well, it's not possible to file complaints about 
rescues that are 1000's of miles away,when you can't go check them out 
yourself first hand. I had my doubts about Angel Wings when I first heard of it, 
but being 2000 miles away, it just was not my place to call any of their local 
authorities and question them, because I had no proof that there was anything 
wrong, just a little concern that a couple of cats in their online pics were a 
tad thin (and it being a rescue,that would not be uncommon for new arrivals). 
While being active in stopping these things is important, you can't just go 
around calling the authorities on every unproven suspicion, because if they 
respond to out of state complaints at all, it would be surprising, and then, if 
they do, and they find nothing wrong, after a while, they stop responding 
completely, because we, as an animal rescue community, will be seen as zealots, 
and then we would be ignored as "nut jobs" who call for every little thing, and 
waste these agencies time and effort. IF you see it first-hand, by all means 
call the authorities, but I don't think it's fair of you to judge humanity as a 
whole by the comments of an online community, because of the spread out nature 
of an online community's members. I don't think any of us on this list were 
local to Angel Wings, so there's really nothing any of us could have done. 


As far as the closed door policy goes, I agree 
whole-heartedly, if you can't visit it first, I would NEVER take an animal 
there, period! My doors are always open to anyone who wants to see what I am 
doing (not that I'm a rescue, but I do occasionally do a private rescue on my 
own, and involve other rescues down the line if I need help with adoptions). I 
DO get people dropping off cats at my door, and to me, it's NOT a nuisance, it's 
a blessing, because if they did not bring them here, they might otherwise dump 
them out in the woods somewhere to die. I do have a small colony of strays (not 
really feral, just not all friendly) that I feed. If one of them ever seems 
injured, I will get it vet care. If I ever see one that is obviously unneutered, 
I will get him neutered. There is a newly arrived orange male I have been 
petting recently that is in need of a neuter, and as soon as I get Bones through 
her ordeal and am sure I have the funds, I will catch him and get him neutered. 
Most of the time, people come to me and ask for my help, such as with Bones. 
They know I do rescue (or at least that I'm the crazy cat lady) and they come to 
me for help. My doors are always open to help a cat, and to the people who come 
to me for help. A closed door policy is more than a red flag to me, it's a great 
big whopping NO NO NO! If I ever hear of a questionable rescue in my area, you 
can be sure I will check it out, even if I have to go trespassing in middle of 
the night with a pair of binoculars.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~
Had to reply to this commentHow 
sad if true where you may be located!

A CLOSED DOOR POLICY should immediately 
send up huge RED 
FLAGS!!


Thankfully, shelters/sanctuaries/humane 
societies around here have OPEN door policies and encourage 
visitations.

In my years in rescue I have been 
involved in WAY too many "Post" rescue efforts. It makes me 
ill.

I read constantly on this list about 
situations such as this latest one, Angel's Wings.

I have a serious question to pose for 
ALL list members. Are there NO other activists on this list? Is it ok just 
to post these horrors and say, "How awful"? 

If you know of, or suspect an agency or 
individual doing "rescue", and you have doubts, concerns, whatever... for the 
sake of the animals involved, file a formal complaint with your local humane 
agency.
By law, if a complaint is filed, the 
humane laws mandate an investigation.
Better for the sake of the animals to be 
safe, than sorry.
And, trust me, I have done it. And it is 
all done anonymously.
But I have indeed showed up in court to 
face the wrongdoers!

So, instead of spending your time 
writing  reading post after post about
these atrocities, become 
pro-active. DO SOMETHING!

Just think of the animals you could be 
responsible for saving
It takes action, NOT just mere words to 
put an end to the evil inflicted on our poor, defenseless 
friends.

PLEASEIf everyone did something 
proactive, many lives could possibly be saved and we would not be reading  
posting these horror stories time after time. Me, I am sick of 
it.
And disheartened by the lack of activism 
from the human speciesto help God's wonderful 
creatures.

Someone, please, help restore my faith 
in the human species...

Patti
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Re: Angels Wings, et al: ACTIVISM NEEDED

2005-06-10 Thread TatorBunz



I hate to ask this but can someone send me the original posting pertaining to this...thanks!

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Re: The convent ferals - GOOD NEWS




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OT - PETA question

2005-06-10 Thread Rachel


I don't want to drive the list crazy on the pit topic again, but I thought this was rather interesting and was curious about PETA's stand on this (which is mentioned in the article).

First off, I recognize this is an opinion article, but the author claims to be part of PETA. I am not a PETA supporter, so I don't know if she is actually in any way associated with PETA.
I was wondering if anyone could corroborate or dispute these statements, in particular to PETA's stand/opinion on this matter... 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/08/EDGDLD4G1S1.DTL

many thanks ... 

Rachel

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RE: OT - PETA question

Title: Message

Ingrid
Newkirk WAS Peta when I first heard of Peta years ago.
Please
if poss see Chicagoland Tails Spring issue (I'll try and see if I can find it
later on the web--I'm at work right now) where there is a very good article by
writer/radio presenter Steve Dale on Pitbulls that says there is no scientific
evidence to show that pits are any more dangerous than any other breeds. I just
came across the article this am.

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of RachelSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:11
AMTo: FELV TALK ListSubject: OT - PETA
question

I don't want to drive the list crazy on the pit topic again, but I thought
this was rather interesting and was curious about PETA's stand on this (which is
mentioned in the article).

First off, I recognize this is an opinion article, but the author claims to
be part of PETA. I am not a PETA supporter, so I don't know if she is
actually in any way associated with PETA.
I was wondering if anyone could corroborate or dispute these statements, in
particular to PETA's stand/opinion on this matter...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/08/EDGDLD4G1S1.DTL

many thanks ...

Rachel

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Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq (real action you can take that can help and not cause any harm)




If you REALLY want to help animals being killed 
by this war, sign up to foster a military pet here:
http://www.operationnoblefoster.org/

The AMERICAN cats and dogs of soldiers who are 
being deployed over seas have no where to go but to be dumped or sent 
tolocal animal shelters who are already over-run by animals, and 
so,many of them are being killed. These are American pets, healthy, loved, 
and wanted, but who, because of this war, have been forced to be dumped by the 
enlisted men and women who own them. If more people would foster them, that 
would immediately saveTHOUSANDS of lives that have been effected by this 
war, right here in our own country!!! I firmly believe in saving the Iraqi dogs 
and cats, but it seems hypocritical for us to be going after people for not 
saving those animals when we haven't even saved the ones in our own country yet! 
This is one of the reasons WHY the Iraqi people hate us so much, because we go 
over there and try to tell them how to live, and control their country, but we 
don't even hold ourselves responsible for the same issue happening right here at 
home! I'm not trying to turn this into a political debate, but really, do we 
even have the right to complain when we can't even save our own animals here?! 
Think about it, and then go sign up at http://www.operationnoblefoster.org/! 
The lady that runs that organization is a great lady, she does purebred cat 
rescue, and is the main coordinator for the CFA purebred cats rescue network. 
Her name is Linda Mercer, and to prove how hard she works to save animals, here 
is her signature line from one of her emails, so you can see how dedicated she 
is:
Linda Pollack Mercer, M.D.President 
 Rescue CoordinatorCFA Purebred Rescue, Inc., http://cfapurebredrescue.org , 
DBA Purebred Cat Breed Rescue, http://PurebredCatBreedRescue.orgDirector, Operation Noble Foster, http://www.OperationNobleFoster.orgDirector/Facilitator, http://PurebredCatBreedRescue.orgDirector, http://PersianCatRescue.orgFounder  Volunteer, The Feline Rescue Network, 
http://www.FelineRescue.netModerator  Owner, The Persian Rescue Email list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian_RescuePhone (rescue emergencies only please): 
(888)303-9454 [toll free]Email: felinerescue @ 
felinerescue.net(remove the spaces)Alternate email: wishstar @ 
sbcglobal.net(remove the spaces)
Now, if we were ALL THAT dedicated to our own 
passions inanimal rescue (this group being mainly FELV cats, rather than 
Linda's purebreds),THEN we might have a leg to stand on when we complain 
about animal welfare in other countries!
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

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Bazil!

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Re: Angels Wings, et al: ACTIVISM NEEDED

done.. check your inbox, they were sent directly to you, not via the list.

Jenn
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earns a free can of formula!
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Re: OT - PETA question




Yes, I believe that truly is PETA's stance. But 
not just for Pits, for ALL pets. PETA is against breeding, period.

Here is the actual PETA website article on pit 
bull breeding bans:
http://www.caringconsumer.com/c/tragedy.html
And here is another one about breeding in general 
("no breeding is responsible"):
http://www.helpinganimals.com/Factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=29

PETA does not believe in animals being use by 
humans in any way. Pets are used just by being pets (they see companion animals 
as human creations that should never have been created, much less continued to 
be bred). They do not believe in riding horses, they believe they should roam 
freely and never be used for any work. They do not believe in cows existing at 
all, more or less, because cows more or less have been changed by humanity to 
suit our needs as a food source. And on and on, etc. I used to be a member of 
PETA, but as the years go by, they just get more and more extreme, and now if 
you are even a member of PETA, the government red flags your name, as they 
consider PETA a terrorist group now.

That's all I'm saying on the issue, I do NOT 
intend to be part of a PETA opinion debate.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


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can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

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Left my view about the military




I have just left my views about the military issue - hope they choke on it 
too - that it so horrendous - the amount of fear those poor dogs must have felt 
is just to heartbreaking to consider.

My transfer factor has arrived today so I have given Bramble one straight 
away. His pupils have started to react to light again today but I don't know how 
long for. Thankyou every one for your support and guidance - I am not giving up 
on the little man yet - all your efforts are very much appreciated.

Fingers crossed still.

Michelle

Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)




Please guys, if you haven't called yet, please 
take just about 5 minutes to leave a message on two voicemail 
machines!

CallScott McCluen, the District Attorney 
General at: (865) 376-2145

And the Roane County Sheriff, David B. Haggard 
at: (865) 376-5582

Anyone who has not called yet, please do so, just 
a quick message left on anyone at those office's voicemails could help get this 
processed faster, and save these cats! They have automated menus, but really, 
just state that it's a message for either the sheriff or the district attorney, 
and urge them to please take immediate action to get the cats out of Angel 
Wings, and into a safe environment as quickly as possible, and to fully 
prosecute Ms. Harvey to every extent possible.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~I 
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must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
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RE: OT - PETA question

2005-06-10 Thread Rachel

Thanks for the info!

My personal opinion on the matter is that I do not believe any breed is more dangerous than another. I think people become careless andcomplacent and forget that they are dealing with an animal. I may view my dogs as my kids, however, I would not leave my 3yr old niece alone with my Sunnyregardless of how great they have always been together! I'm not that stupid, but apparently too many people are that stupid and that irresponsible.

Personally, I am very fond of pits. Even though I have had a bad experience in the past with a specific breed, I do not believe all dogs of that breed are bad, evil, or should be killed.

Some may disagree with me on this, and that is ok, but this is my own opinion. It is unfortunate that it may come down to this, but I sincerely believe the parents of the child mauled to death should be charged with child endangerment or even murder for leaving their child unattended with two dogs. If we legislatively and/or legally enforce and apply laws to situations like this we *may* causesomepet ownersto behave more responsibly. It is a sad situation that people wouldn't be more intelligent responsible, but for the benefit of people and the dogs, it may be our only course of action.

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ingrid Newkirk WAS Peta when I first heard of Peta years ago.
Please if poss see Chicagoland Tails Spring issue (I'll try and see if I can find it later on the web--I'm at work right now) where there is a very good article by writer/radio presenter Steve Dale on Pitbulls that says there is no scientific evidence to show that pits are any more dangerous than any other breeds. I just came across the article this am.

-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RachelSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:11 AMTo: FELV TALK ListSubject: OT - PETA question

I don't want to drive the list crazy on the pit topic again, but I thought this was rather interesting and was curious about PETA's stand on this (which is mentioned in the article).

First off, I recognize this is an opinion article, but the author claims to be part of PETA. I am not a PETA supporter, so I don't know if she is actually in any way associated with PETA.
I was wondering if anyone could corroborate or dispute these statements, in particular to PETA's stand/opinion on this matter...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/08/EDGDLD4G1S1.DTL

many thanks ...

Rachel

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Re: OT - PETA question

2005-06-10 Thread Rachel

Jenn -
Thank you for the information. I don't want to get into a debate on it either. I really appreciate the info I know some of the folks here know about the organization. I wasn't even aware of their stance on some of these issues.
Thanks!
Rachel[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, I believe that truly is PETA's stance. But not just for Pits, for ALL pets. PETA is against breeding, period.

Here is the actual PETA website article on pit bull breeding bans:
http://www.caringconsumer.com/c/tragedy.html
And here is another one about breeding in general ("no breeding is responsible"):
http://www.helpinganimals.com/Factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=29

PETA does not believe in animals being use by humans in any way. Pets are used just by being pets (they see companion animals as human creations that should never have been created, much less continued to be bred). They do not believe in riding horses, they believe they should roam freely and never be used for any work. They do not believe in cows existing at all, more or less, because cows more or less have been changed by humanity to suit our needs as a food source. And on and on, etc. I used to be a member of PETA, but as the years go by, they just get more and more extreme, and now if you are even a member of PETA, the government red flags your name, as they consider PETA a terrorist group now.

That's all I'm saying on the issue, I do NOT intend to be part of a PETA opinion debate.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

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Re: Angel Wings Sancuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contactinfo)

2005-06-10 Thread Tad Burnett





Jenn
 Are you offering the safe environment and transportation for these
cats
You seem quit knowledgable but don't you know that a safe environment
in these parts of the country means PTS
 I don't know where you got your information that these cats are
suffering so much...Please give me the details other than the word of
some amature photographer and a throw away camera

Tad

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Please guys, if you haven't called
yet, please take just about 5 minutes to leave a message on two
voicemail machines!
  
  CallScott McCluen, the District
Attorney General at: (865) 376-2145
  
  And the Roane County Sheriff, David B.
Haggard at: (865) 376-5582
  
  Anyone who has not called yet, please
do so, just a quick message left on anyone at those office's voicemails
could help get this processed faster, and save these cats! They have
automated menus, but really, just state that it's a message for either
the sheriff or the district attorney, and urge them to please take
immediate action to get the cats out of Angel Wings, and into a safe
environment as quickly as possible, and to fully prosecute Ms. Harvey
to every extent possible.
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs
cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add
up until she earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
  If you use KMR, even just one can,
please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help
feed Bazil!
  

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Interferon

2005-06-10 Thread Del Daniels

I ordered mine from Island Pharmacy in
Wisconsin www.islandpharmacy.com
It is not the only place.

Del

- Original Message -
From:
Barbara Baass

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31
PM
Subject: RE: thanking for the incredible
support system

Where do all of you get the interferon? I
need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara
Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another
FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you
had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any
sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone
is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly
knowledgeable.
I
can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you
describe. They clearly have "Issues"and instead of facing up to them,
they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so
unnecessary.

-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
YamamotoSent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 PMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: thanking for the incredible
support system

I know people on this list make
a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all
the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need
the support for that matter
I really love this list as we
can talk about anything (any OT stuff)
I used to be on FIP list since I
have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs
but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean if you questions
anything she says she gets made and took you off the list she only
believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you argue about it
otherwise and she does not allow any OT subjects I really liked everyone
else on that list, but couldnt stand the mediator (and so did other people
on the list)

Anyway, thank you so very much
for your support dont know what to do without you guys I am glad that
I found you!

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sanctuaries: open to the public?

2005-06-10 Thread TenHouseCats

how the sanctuary where i lived/worked handled taking in cats:

we did NOT list a street address anywhere, for reasons i've mentioned
previously. it was our home as well as that of the cats; the potential
for problems with neighbors tho we were licensed by the state and in
compliance with local regulations; the very real problem of dump offs;
the need to get our work done without constant interruption from
people who just wanted to stop by. liability was also an issue, tho
not the greatest concern.

while we theoretically only took in FIVs and FeLVs from rescues and
shelters, rather than individuals, once people knew of us, that wasn't
always the case.

as long as we had room for the cats--which included isolation space
for the first two weeks following arrival, we accepted any FIV/FeLV
cats that were spayed/neutered, had the requisite vaccinations, and
had been tested adequately (western blot for FIV; IFA for FeLV).

we did NOT go out and get cats; we did NOT meet people off-site: we
were too busy caring for the cats to do that! we were NOT asking
people to donate their cats to us (tho people would call and say they
wanted to do just that; funny, cats was NEVER on our donation-needs
lists).

anyone who had a legitimate reason to come to the sanctuary was given
directions--the only restriction was that visits, including bringing a
cat into sanctuary, had to be arranged in advance so that we could
make sure someone would be there. and that other things weren't
scheduled at the same time.

my favorite times were when people would come with a cat, and leave
with it. that happened often enough with FIV cats to let us know how
vital accurate information and education are. rarely, people would
even take their FeLVs home with them when they learned the facts about
that virus, but nowhere near as often...


-- 
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Re: Interferon





Do you need a prescription for Interferon Alpha? I got mine from my
Internist. It wasn't very expensive.
Nina

Del Daniels wrote:

  
  
  I ordered mine from Island Pharmacy
in Wisconsin www.islandpharmacy.com
  
  It is not the only place.
  
  Del
  
-
Original Message - 
From:
Barbara
Baass 
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent:
Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject:
RE: thanking for the incredible support system



Where do all of you get the
interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara Baass

"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  
  
  Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start
another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to
lose her, you had to lose all the good people too.
  I've never belonged to any other web group
of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally
agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly
knowledgeable.
  I can't understand what gets into people
when they behave like the one you describe. They clearly have
"Issues"and instead of facing up to them, they just make everyone else
suffer. It's such a shame and so unnecessary.
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
  Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: thanking for the incredible support system
  
  
  
  I know people on this
list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to
thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and
for anyone who may need the support for that matter  
  I really love this list
as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff)  
  I used to be on FIP list
since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned
about FIPs  but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean
 if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the
list  she only believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you
argue about it otherwise  and she does not allow any OT subjects  I
really liked everyone else on that list, but couldnt stand the
mediator (and so did other people on the list) 
  
  Anyway, thank you so very
much for your support  dont know what to do without you guys  I am
glad that I found you!
  
   
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Re: sanctuaries: open to the public?

Oh, MC, how wonderful it must have been to have made such a difference 
in the lives of people you were able to educate!  It gives me goose 
bumps thinking about the people that came to you distraught, ready to 
relinquish a loved one, and left with a lighter happier heart!  Those 
are the kind of experiences that keep me going.

Nina

Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY




i would be very leary of any retirement program 
north shore has because as I recall, they also try to find homes for these 
retired pets--so in essence, you the owner might pay thousands of dollars to 
have your pet retire to a supposedly safe environment however if north shore 
adopts it out to someone, they're not monitoring what happens to the pet 
afterwards, are they? Bide a Wee in Wantagh NY i believe it is, has 
a retirement home and they keep the animals there forever. 
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chris 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:57 
AM
  Subject: RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old 
  healthy cats...NY
  
  
  He could try Angels 
  Gate which is near him. Also, North Shore does have a 
  retirement plan for animals but it does cost some. How does he know they 
  are 17 if he took them off the street a few years ago?
  
  
  Chris
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  Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:19 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy 
  cats...NY
  
  
  anyone know of a 
  retirement home for 2?
  
   
  
  
  
  
  I live 
  in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago; 
  abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is 
  nil. 
  
  
  
  Thanks 
  
  
  
  
  Richard
  



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writes:

  
  
  Hi,
  
  
  
  My name is 
  Richard Mondello and I have two adult cats that I can't find a home for. 
  They are 17 but in very good health. I will be moving infour weeks 
  and my new home will not allow pets. Can you direct me to a place 
  where the cats would not be put down? I am prepared to make a donation for 
  help. As stated, the cats are in good health, declawed and very friendly. 
  I've contacted some organizations but have been told that adult cats are 
  difficult to place.
  
  
  
  Thanks for your 
  time,
  
  Richard
  
  
  To you, it's just a 
  temporary gift of a bit of space and some extra food~ to him it is the 
  immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of 
  fostering!('') 
  
  
  
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Re: Left my view about the military

maybe i missed a post, where did you leave your view?
barbara

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:04 
PM
  Subject: Left my view about the 
  military

  I have just left my views about the military issue - hope they choke on 
  it too - that it so horrendous - the amount of fear those poor dogs must have 
  felt is just to heartbreaking to consider.

  My transfer factor has arrived today so I have given Bramble one straight 
  away. His pupils have started to react to light again today but I don't know 
  how long for. Thankyou every one for your support and guidance - I am not 
  giving up on the little man yet - all your efforts are very much 
  appreciated.

  Fingers crossed still.

  Michelle

Re: Activism and Bramble





Hey Sweetie,
It sounds like Bramble may be improving, despite the pupil dilation and
possible blindness. It sure sounds like he's still enjoying life,
anybody who gets "excited over his chicken" doesn't sound like they've
given up! Being blind isn't the worst thing that can happen, many
animals and humans are blind, that's certainly not reason in itself to
help him cross. I feel really optimistic about his progress. I don't
know anything about calicivirus, so maybe that's why my heart is
feeling lighter for you guys. I do know he's in wonderful hands.
Please give him a snuggle for me. Keep following your intuition and
let us know how you're doing.
Hang in there girl,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Patti if you let me have the contact details about who we need
to contact and the basic story again I will happily write to them. I am
in UK so they can have some worldwide complaints.
  
  As for Bramble the vet just phone to say he hasn't got FeLV but
appears to have calicivirus. He hasn't had anymore involuntary motor
movement seizures however, things have got worse. His pupils dilated
for hours last night - I can't remember if I posted that here or not -
and he couldn't see for that time. They are slightly better this
morning but he is still partially blind. He is eating - crying for his
food and getting really excited over his chicken - and getting to the
toilet. But last night he stepped in his cat milk as he couldn't see it
- although he did this morning and drank from it instead. He is mainly
being guided my my voice and touch. My vet says if they don't improve
today then we need to say enough and put him to sleep. If he stays
blind I am inclined to agree as his quality of life cannot be good and
is also making me think more it might be FIP or a series of CVA's - but
I am sure they were triggered by the flea treatment still. 
  
  Michelle xx

interferon

Title: Message

Barbara, Igotmy interferon from Walgreen
after my vet wrote the prescription. (It's not the feline interferon, Virbagen
Omega, of course, but the kind that's available in the US, for
humans.)
Walgreen were a bit taken aback at first, but once they
madea call or two, they got it in for me pretty quickly, and my vet
diluted it.
(It
cost $49 for a year's worth for several cats, then there's the vet charge each
time for making a 6-month batch up.)
Does
Samson have ulcers, or what?
Kerry

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PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: thanking for
the incredible support system

Where do all of you get the interferon? I need
to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara
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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Jenn,
I'll try and give my Internist a call.  They don't always get back to me 
right away, but maybe they'll be able to answer the question about 
interferon and seziure meds.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
something that worries me:
 
Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
from neurology if they will give it.
 
Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it 
sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
 
I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
seem to be too informed because of funding issues.


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
add up until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing 
address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!




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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle, or Jenn,
Which Interferon are we talking about feline, or human?
Nina

Nina wrote:


Jenn,
I'll try and give my Internist a call.  They don't always get back to 
me right away, but maybe they'll be able to answer the question about 
interferon and seziure meds.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
something that worries me:
 
Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
from neurology if they will give it.
 
Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as 
it sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
 
I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
seem to be too informed because of funding issues.


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 
~~~ 

I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
add up until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing 
address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!




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RE: Activism and Bramble

Title: Message

Michelle, I've never had a blind cat myself, but my
friend in Portsmouth had a cat that became blindas an adult--and went on
to live happily to a ripe old age.I guess because cats'other senses
are so acute they adapt better than a human might expect of them. I've also read
about other perfectly happy-sounding blind cats.
As
Nina says, if he is excited about his chicken, that sounds a really good sign to
me. So many of us here, at different times,including myself, have wanted
nothing more than a regained appetitefora desperately sick kitty,
and tried to tempt them with so many things, in vain.
I honestly think that if he is still
enjoying his food, then he is enjoying quality of life. He certainly couldn't
wish for a more loving, caringfriend that he has in
you.
Please
keep us posted when you get time. Kerry

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:53
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Activism and
BrambleHey Sweetie,It sounds like Bramble may be
improving, despite the pupil dilation and possible blindness. It sure
sounds like he's still enjoying life, anybody who gets "excited over his
chicken" doesn't sound like they've given up! Being blind isn't the worst
thing that can happen, many animals and humans are blind, that's certainly not
reason in itself to help him cross. I feel really optimistic about his
progress. I don't know anything about calicivirus, so maybe that's why my
heart is feeling lighter for you guys. I do know he's in wonderful
hands. Please give him a snuggle for me. Keep following your
intuition and let us know how you're doing.Hang in there
girl,Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Patti if you let me have the contact details about who we need to contact
and the basic story again I will happily write to them. I am in UK so they can
have some worldwide complaints.

As for Bramble the vet just phone to say he hasn't got FeLV but appears
to have calicivirus. He hasn't had anymore involuntary motor movement seizures
however, things have got worse. His pupils dilated for hours last night - I
can't remember if I posted that here or not - and he couldn't see for that
time. They are slightly better this morning but he is still partially blind.
He is eating - crying for his food and getting really excited over his chicken
- and getting to the toilet. But last night he stepped in his cat milk as he
couldn't see it - although he did this morning and drank from it instead. He
is mainly being guided my my voice and touch. My vet says if they don't
improve today then we need to say enough and put him to sleep. If he stays
blind I am inclined to agree as his quality of life cannot be good and is also
making me think more it might be FIP or a series of CVA's - but I am sure they
were triggered by the flea treatment still.

Michelle xxMayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP is moving our Chicago office to the Hyatt Center, 71 S. Wacker Dr., Chicago, Illinois 60606 - effective June 15, 2005. Email addresses, telephone numbers, and facsimile numbers remain unchanged. For more information, click the link below or copy / paste the link into the address bar of your Web browser: http://www.mayerbrownrowe.com/chicago/move.asp Please Note: Effective July 1, 2005, some administrative functions will be located at 230 S. LaSalle, Chicago IL, 60604. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)




Tad, I have been in contact with a woman who 
lives in the next county over from this place and has personal experience with 
the case. The facts are, I have been sending outthe info that possible 
foster homes may be neededsince I first heard about the case,but 
nothing can be done until they get the cats released from Rehnee Harvey's care. 
Another TN shelter was just recently shut down too, so this is not the only TN 
shelter desperately needing foster homes at this time. Trust me, I know about 
the overpopulation problems in Tennessee, I used to live there, and all my 
family still does. The fact is, we can't make foster arrangements UNTIL we know 
we will be getting the cats out of there, and in order to do that, we need 
people to call and urge a quick resolution to the case. I can help with 
transportation arrangements, BUT ONLY AFTER I know what needs to be transported, 
and that can't happen until this place gets opened up and the cats get removed. 
I don't know why you seem so bent on the idea that since the photo quality is 
not the best that this doesn't exist, you can CLEARLY see the feces and filth 
and dead cats in the photos. Are you just going through denial? Trust me, as 
soon as the sheriff makes an official statement, I will post it to this group. 
The truth is, until the case breaks open, and the legal measures are taken to 
allow access to the property, then there wont be any proof other than the good 
Samaritan who risked his/her safety to get those photos. The woman I am in 
contact with in the area has said that Rehnee has approached her and threatened 
to kill her if she goes anywhere near her property, so at this point, all anyone 
can do is wait for the officials to make their move. PRESSURE THEM TO DO IT 
SOON! AFTER that happens, then I will go into the next phase of soliciting 
donations for FELV testing, and trying to find foster homes and arranging 
transportation. The thing that is going to be the hardest with this case, I 
think, is the fact that the FELV+ cats have had full access to all other cats, 
and now, for most rescues to accept any of them, they will all have to be 
tested, a very expensive task to undertake. That leaves all the FELV/FIV 
positive ones still needing to be placed in a sanctuary that accepts them. 
Sadly, if their original owners are not found (and there is a network in place 
trying to do this), many of them may end up being euthanised because it is 
unlikely we will be able to find the positive cats anywhere else to go (like you 
said, it will be hard enough to find the negative cats places to go). So, yes, 
if anyone can take a positive cat, keep your eyes on my updates, because there 
will most likely be a need for foster/adoptive homes for them. I know some of 
you have recently lost a cat. Maybe you guys could find it in your heart to take 
in one of these, since you now have an empty space? (I know that sounds harsh, 
but I couldn't think of any other way to phrase it, sorry guys)

I am doing everything I can from my end, Tad. I 
take offense in the fact that you seem to be criticizing me in a way, when you 
are doing NOTHING to save anything. I have gathered info, done some networking, 
and am keeping up with current updates for the online communities that are 
involved. The fact that you make light of, and even criticize my efforts to 
help, does not garner any respect towards you from me. I'm about a half a step 
away from blocking your address so I don't have to read anymore of your 
negativity. Try to open your mind a little bit, and not be such a critic. It's 
not good for your health.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~Jenn 
Are you offering the safe environment and transportation for these 
catsYou seem quit knowledgeable but don't you know that a safe 
environment in these parts of the country means PTS I don't know 
where you got your information that these cats are suffering so much...Please 
give me the details other than the word of some amateur photographer and a throw 
away cameraTad
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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for 
so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me 
in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense 
to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is, 
if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem 
to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a 
nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what 
one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
something that worries me:
 
Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
from neurology if they will give it.
 
Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it 
sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
 
I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
seem to be too informed because of funding issues.


Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 
~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
add up until she earns a free can of formula!

PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
 
If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing 
address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!




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RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they
will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat
first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the
effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral
FeLV cat.
And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did
not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3
giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc).
I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice
vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the
brood, but so far zippo. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for

so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me

in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense

to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is,

if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem

to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a

nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what

one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
 something that worries me:
  
 Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
 him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
 Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
 vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
 from neurology if they will give it.
  
 Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
 treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
 stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
 sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it

 sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
  
 I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
 seem to be too informed because of funding issues.

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  


~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
 needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
 add up until she earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
 If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing 
 address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!

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Barbara- I just emailed it to them.

Michelle L

Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)





Hi Kerry,
You know, I do understand about liability, and not wanting to base
judgments on what people relate without actually doing an exam. I get
that, really I do. I can't tell you how many times someone has told me
something about their dog's behavior that has been WAY off the mark, so
I understand not trusting someone else's judgement who hasn't been
through vet school to make a proper diagnosis. But, come on, if the
animal in question is going to be left to languish with whatever
aliment is plaguing them because they CAN'T be brought in, then, what
the heck is the harm? I'd be so willing to sign a waiver, or something
saying I don't intend to sue, or lodge complaints, if it doesn't work
out the way I hope. And for heaven's sake, shouldn't the proven
trustworthiness of the caregiver involved count for something? Unless
the animal has some sort of allergic reaction to antibiotics, then
what's the harm of administering them, even if the animal doesn't even
need them? Speaking of antibiotics, can't you order Baytril, Albon,
Clavomox and Penicillin G from KV vets w/o a prescription? I know I've
seen them offered for sale, but I don't know if you can get them w/o
vet approval. They also have Ivermectin, (for use in swine), but it's
not in an otic suspension and it's .02%, instead of .01%. I don't want
to take any chances giving her something that I haven't seen work with
others. Argggh! 

Sorry for the rant,
Nina

MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:

  I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they
will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat
first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the
effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral
FeLV cat.
And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did
not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3
giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc).
I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice
vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the
brood, but so far zippo. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for

so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me

in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense

to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is,

if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem

to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a

nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what

one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
something that worries me:
 
"Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
from neurology if they will give it."
 
Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it

  
  
  
  
sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
 
I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck

Flea Treatment




I just had an interesting conversation with my dogs vet. Unfortunately 
Bramble has to go to a different vet because the sanctuary pay but I sure wish 
he went to my dogs vet. I mentioned the current episode and my concerns about 
stronghold/Revolution. When I told her she was nodding her head in agreement 
saying so it's exacerbated his neurological problems. And she was more accepting 
of seizures than the one who Bramble has seen whilst his current vet is away. To 
be fair looking at him I think he had neurological signs developing and 
gradually worsening and most likely FIV related - I've seen that before but not 
the seizures. And the flea stuff has just hurried it up immensly. The guy from 
Pfizer said he has now made sure that the factory and warehouse stocks have got 
the right leaflets in - whether he has or not is another story.

Nina - I also discovered from a member of the epi-feline group that the 
excitement over food is a side effect of some seizures when they are not quiet. 
He seems mostly blindalthough his pupils are reacting to light again. My 
other concern is FIP - I will see how he goes over the next day or so.

Michelle L

Interferon and seizure meds




Thanks Jenn for adding that.

Thanks for offering to find out Nina - if anyone else can find anything out 
too that would be great - baring in mind the neurological problems probably are 
FIV related. 

PS - Bramble is on feline omega interferon - not human form 
interferon.

Thanks Michelle

I will try to find out myself too.

Medication




I should also mention that he takes 2.5mg of Fortekor daily too for a heart 
murmer. And also that he has been treated for many secondary infections - 
respiratory, earmites, dental etc... over the last two years.

Michelle L

Re: Interferon and seizure meds

Michelle,
Where did you get this interferon?
Barbara Baass[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks Jenn for adding that.

Thanks for offering to find out Nina - if anyone else can find anything out too that would be great - baring in mind the neurological problems probably are FIV related. 

PS - Bramble is on feline omega interferon - not human form interferon.

Thanks Michelle

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Re: Medication - Michelle L and Bramble


Michelle,
Your vet's concerns of interaction may not be with the Interferon 
Omega.  With all of Brambles conditions, I'm afraid that no one would be 
able to address his medication needs/concerns w/o having his history in 
front of them.  If you don't trust the vet that the sanctuary is paying 
for, and you do like the vet that you're bringing your dog to, couldn't 
you speak with the sanctuary and your vet about making some sort of 
arrangement?  Perhaps your vet would be willing to take less than her 
normal fee, (or make payment arrangements with you for the difference).  
The sanctuary might be willing to pay her directly instead of the vet 
they normally use, (esp if it's not going to cost them any extra for the 
services).  It sounds like it might be a good idea for this sanctuary to 
try and develop relationships with other vets anyway.  It never hurts to 
ask!  I'm praying you find the help you need to make informed decisions. 
Nina


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I should also mention that he takes 2.5mg of Fortekor daily too for a 
heart murmer. And also that he has been treated for many secondary 
infections - respiratory, earmites, dental etc... over the last two years.
 
Michelle L

Re: Interferon

thanks for the information.
Barbara BaassNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you need a prescription for Interferon Alpha? I got mine from my Internist. It wasn't very expensive.NinaDel Daniels wrote:


I ordered mine from Island Pharmacy in Wisconsin www.islandpharmacy.com 
It is not the only place.

Del

- Original Message - 
From: Barbara Baass 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: thanking for the incredible support system


Where do all of you get the interferon? I need to get some for Samson's mouth.
Barbara Baass"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Hmm. Any chance a bunch of you could start another FIP list, without her? It sounds such a shame that in order to lose her, you had to lose all the good people too.
I've never belonged to any other web group of any sort, so I've landed real lucky in finding this one. Totally agree--everyone is so generous and supportive as well as incredibly knowledgeable.
I can't understand what gets into people when they behave like the one you describe. They clearly have "Issues"and instead of facing up to them, they just make everyone else suffer. It's such a shame and so unnecessary.
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I know people on this list make a lot of comments on this, but I also personally want to thank you for all the support you give for me and for my babies, and for anyone who may need the support for that matter  
I really love this list as we can talk about anything (any OT stuff)  
I used to be on FIP list since I have many many corona virus kitties and I was very concerned about FIPs  but the mediator on the list is very controlling and mean  if you questions anything she says she gets made and took you off the list  she only believes in certain treatment and she doesnt let you argue about it otherwise  and she does not allow any OT subjects  I really liked everyone else on that list, but couldnt stand the mediator (and so did other people on the list) 

Anyway, thank you so very much for your support  dont know what to do without you guys  I am glad that I found you!

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Bramble rundown in full




I should have just put the whole information to begin with sorry.

He is currently taking Antirobe (antibiotic) for gingivitis following his 
dental op - has about a week of these left.
2.5mg of Fortekor for heart Murmer -Daily
Has had 5 injections of Feline Omega Interferon - starts the next 5 on 
Wednesday.

Has had thyroid (T4), liver and kidney function tests - normal but protein 
levels were slightly raised - vet said that was normal due to his inflamation 
etc.
Has been tested for Calicivirus-isolation, Herpesvirus and FeLV - FeLV 
negative, no result yet on herpes and from what I gather he most likely has 
calici.

I don't think he is fit to undergo anymore anaesthesia - he needs as little 
stress as possible

He has wasted somewhat around his spine don't know how long he has been 
like that for and his coat is not in great condition.

In the four weeks I've had him - he has had ears syringed, scale and polish 
and 3 teeth extracted and gingivitis treatment as listed above. Heshowed 
mild seizure like activity in that he would stop with his jawopen for a 
few seconds about every 5 days. Had right and left occular discharge, nasal 
discharge, drooling, sneezing (occasionally sneezing blood), wheezing, coughing, 
breathing difficulty (this is now so much better) still sneezing occasionally 
but breathing musch better.
Over a week ago he swayed and then became ataxic. Sunday 
stronghold/revolution spot on given - 14hrs laters paddling in seizure followed 
by momentary ataxia - same occured 12-13 hrs later. 2 days later pupils dilated 
with blindness and had involuntary motor control seizure about 3-4 mins long - 
seemed to regain sight a little later. Was quiet afterwards as expected. Day 
later his pupils dilated and took about 18hrs to respond to light again - but 
still appears partially blind.
Is eating ok and is excitedwhen he getshis chicken pieces 
astreats.
gets to the toilet ok although his stools have been loose they are a little 
firmer now.

Hope this helps

Michelle L

RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

2005-06-10 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto

If you ever need for an antibiotics (clavormox or amoxicillin), let me
know - I will try to get it for you.  My vets prescribes to me for my
feral cats for the very reason you mentioned - there is no way that I
can catch some of them to bring it to a vet - I also have a friend who
is a vet tech - so if you need them, try to contact me, and I will ship
it to you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they
will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat
first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the
effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral
FeLV cat.
And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did
not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3
giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc).
I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice
vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the
brood, but so far zippo. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for

so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me

in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense

to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is,

if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem

to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a

nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what

one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
 something that worries me:
  
 Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
 him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
 Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
 vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
 from neurology if they will give it.
  
 Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
 treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
 stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
 sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it

 sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
  
 I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
 seem to be too informed because of funding issues.

 Jenn
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Interferon




The vet prescribed the omega interferon Barbara - it's they only one they 
use in UK

Michelle L

Re: Interferon and seizure meds

Thanks Nina. Yes, I need to get this for Samson's mouth.
Barbara BaassNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote: *Michelle,* *Where did you get this interferon?* *Barbara Baass* *//*
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RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

Title: Message



Nina
Ranting is very necessary 
sometimes.
Yes, I 
understand the liability thing too. But as you say...can't they treat a case 
like this on its own merits? 
Kerry


-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:14 
PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Bramble 
(help guys, need advise)Hi Kerry,You know, I do 
understand about liability, and not wanting to base judgments on what people 
relate without actually doing an exam. I get that, really I do. I 
can't tell you how many times someone has told me something about their dog's 
behavior that has been WAY off the mark, so I understand not trusting someone 
else's judgement who hasn't been through vet school to make a proper 
diagnosis. But, come on, if the animal in question is going to be left to 
languish with whatever aliment is plaguing them because they CAN'T be brought 
in, then, what the heck is the harm? I'd be so willing to sign a waiver, 
or something saying I don't intend to sue, or lodge complaints, if it doesn't 
work out the way I hope. And for heaven's sake, shouldn't the proven 
trustworthiness of the caregiver involved count for something? Unless the 
animal has some sort of allergic reaction to antibiotics, then what's the harm 
of administering them, even if the animal doesn't even need them? Speaking 
of antibiotics, can't you order Baytril, Albon, Clavomox and Penicillin G from 
KV vets w/o a prescription? I know I've seen them offered for sale, but I 
don't know if you can get them w/o vet approval. They also have 
Ivermectin, (for use in swine), but it's not in an otic suspension and it's 
.02%, instead of .01%. I don't want to take any chances giving her 
something that I haven't seen work with others. Argggh! Sorry for 
the rant,NinaMacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:
I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they
will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat
first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the
effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral
FeLV cat.
And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did
not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3
giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc).
I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice
vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the
brood, but so far zippo. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for

so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me

in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense

to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is,

if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem

to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a

nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what

one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
something that worries me:
 
"Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
from neurology if they will give

RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

Wow, your vet gets it.
Thanks very very much for the offer, Hideyo.
Now I'm going to pray I never have to take it up!
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo
Yamamoto
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


If you ever need for an antibiotics (clavormox or amoxicillin), let me
know - I will try to get it for you.  My vets prescribes to me for my
feral cats for the very reason you mentioned - there is no way that I
can catch some of them to bring it to a vet - I also have a friend who
is a vet tech - so if you need them, try to contact me, and I will ship
it to you.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie,
Kerry N.
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 12:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

I'm so sorry, Nina---I TOTALLY relate. My vets are just the same--they
will not prescribe antibiotics for a URI e.g. unless they see the cat
first. They don't seem to have any idea of the stress involved--and the
effect on all the kitties of all that stress--in bringing in a feral
FeLV cat.
And while in some ways having a housecall vet was better, it still did
not avoid the need to catch and the stress involved (now there are 3
giants, not just 1--me-- running around the room creating havoc).
I've been telling friends for a year that I need to find myself a nice
vet, with a big house/lots of rooms and a yard so i can expand the
brood, but so far zippo. 
Kerry

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)


Michelle L.,
Formulate your questions and what Bramble has been prescribed/tested for

so I can ask my vet's office.  They've been incredibly indulgent with me

in the past, so I'm hoping they will help.  I'm not a vet, so I can't 
say what the reason would be to not give Bramble seizure meds, (are we 
talking Phenobarbital here?) while on interferon.  It doesn't make sense

to me, but maybe there's some sort of dangerous interaction that we're 
not aware of.  As far as I know from my research on interferon, it 
doesn't make sense.  Something else that makes NO SENSE AT ALL to me is,

if this vet is so strongly advocating euthanasia, why is he/she so 
concerned with prescribing medication that may eliviate symptoms?  If 
he's given up on Bramble, why won't he do what  MIGHT help? 

I just don't understand vets sometimes.  I have a feral that has been 
sliding downhill lately and I've been extremely concerned.  I've been 
talking to one of the vets I go to about her and her office agreed to 
see her, if I can catch her.  She's shown symptoms of a URI, (which seem

to be getting better finally :) ), was listless, not eating.  She's 
scratched the fur off her neck and has a nasty wound there.  Yesterday, 
I saw her shaking her head, and yep, I got close enough to see she has a

nasty case of ear mite.  I begged this vet to please prescribe me 
Acarexx ivermectin, (one application into the ears and earmites are 
gone).  I could net her admin the ivermectin, topical her with 
Revolution and let her go.  So much less stressful than having to 
capture her and bring her in.  Well, the vet won't do it!  I really 
should have married a vet!  I desperately need one that understands what

one-on-one rescuers go through.  Quick, someone tell me a nice story 
about a compassionate vet!
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys... I've been talking to Michelle privately, and she said 
 something that worries me:
  
 Forgot to say the vet wouldn't try anything for the seizures due to 
 him being on interferon - she thinks he should be euthanased now. 
 Problem I have is that I need to stay with that particular branch of 
 vets because the sanctuary pay the bills. However I am seeking advice 
 from neurology if they will give it.
  
 Have any of you had any cats that have been on Interferon and been 
 treated for seizures? Michelle's vet wont give Bramble any meds to 
 stop the seizures just because he is in the Interferon! Does this 
 sound reasonable to you guys? Or is it as silly and unreasonable as it

 sounds? Do seizure meds interact with Interferon?
  
 I feel so bad for her, she seems stuck with this one vet who doesn't 
 seem to be too informed because of funding issues.

 Jenn
 http://ucat.us
 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  


~~~
 I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special 
 needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
 Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they 
 add up until she earns a free can of formula!
 PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!
  
 If you

Re: Interferon and seizure meds

Nina,
What is your vets name  address, so we can get the information packet on the interferon.
Barbara BaassNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barbara,I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in here. Michelle lives in the UK where Feline Interferon Omega has been approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) there. In the US, we have to have our vets apply for a special dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're interested, check the archives for further information about it and getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that they happily share with other vets to speed the process.NinaBarbara Baass wrote: *Michelle,* *Where did you get this interferon?* *Barbara Baass* *//*__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of
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RE: Interferon and seizure meds

2005-06-10 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









Ask your vet to contact Michelle Rose - the
number is 805-339-2290 (Ninas vet)  I also a received a packet,
if you want me to make a copy for you, I can.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 2:30
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Interferon and
seizure meds







Nina,





What is
your vets name  address, so we can get the information packet on the
interferon.





Barbara
Baass

Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Barbara,
I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in 
here. Michelle lives in the UK
where Feline Interferon Omega has been 
approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) 
there. In the US,
we have to have our vets apply for a special 
dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done 
that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're 
interested, check the archives for further information about it and 
getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that 
they happily share with other vets to speed the process.
Nina

Barbara Baass wrote:

 *Michelle,*
 *Where did you get this interferon?*
 *Barbara Baass*
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Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites





Thanks Jenn, I had seen the "Ivomec" wormer for cattle and pigs, but
it's a different solution amount, cattle: 1% and the, what looks like
ingestible one for pigs is .02%. The .02% is closer to the .01% that's
used for earmites, but I hesitate to put this in her ears, when I'm not
sure exactly how much to use, or if it's lacking something that would
make it less irritating to the delicate lining of the ear canal. I'm
not even sure of how much to use. Have you used this before directly
into a cat's ears? I've used Acarexx, (the Ivermectin specifically
packaged for ear mites in cats), with good results, so I trust it. My
concern is, what if I get this into her ears and she has some adverse
reaction? I'll get my ass in the car and race to the feed store, if I
know it's safe and effective.
Thanks for the help,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Nina, go to your local livestock
supply store, and buy a bottle of the injectable Ivomec cattle wormer.
It's the same drug as what your vet wont prescribe for you. Use it
TOPICALLY in the ears, just like you would if your vet had prescribed
the stuff you wanted (you'll need a syringe with a needle to get it out
of the bottle, but then either take the needle off the syringe, or
transfer it into a dish and suck it up in a feeding syringe). It's the
same drug. DO NOT inject it into a cat, for topical use in the ears
ONLY for cats! 
  
  There's other off-label shortcuts to
get around vets (and human doctors too). 
  
  You can get OTC amoxicillin labeled
for use in fish tanks, crush them dilute withdistilled bottled water,
and do the math on the milligrams per the amount of liquid you added
(home made amoxi-drops, add a bit of tuna water for flavor to each
dose). Humans can use the fish tanks antibiotic too, I do, because I
don't have any insurance, and I get pneumonia everytime I catch a cold
because I have asthma (I buy the eythromycin for my own use). :)
  -
  For dogs, for preventing heartworms,
get the paste horse wormer Zimectrin (or any one that has ivermectin as
the only ingredient). It's a dime sized amount hidden in a peanutbutter
cracker per month. Same thing as Heart-Guard.

Med ?

2005-06-10 Thread JENNIFER RATLIFF


Has anyone tries Periactin on there +kitties to increase their appetite?

Re: Interferon and seizure meds





Thanks Hideyo, I was going to post it for Barbara, but hadn't gotten
the chance yet. Barbara, your vet has to be the one to call. Good
luck, let us know what happens.
Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:

  
  

  

  
  
  Ask your vet
to contact Michelle Rose - the
number is 805-339-2290 (Ninas vet)  I also a received a packet,
if you want me to make a copy for you, I can.
  
  
  
  
  From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Barbara Baass
  Sent: Friday, June 10,
2005 2:30
PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re:
Interferon and
seizure meds
  
  
  
  Nina,
  
  
  What is
your vets name  address, so we can get the information packet on
the
interferon.
  
  
  Barbara
Baass
  
  Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Barbara,
I know you asked Michelle this question, but I thought I'd jump in 
here. Michelle lives in the UK
where Feline Interferon Omega has been 
approved for use. It's easier to get, (and I'm guessing cheaper too!) 
there. In the US,
we have to have our vets apply for a special 
dispensation to the FDA for approval in each individual case. I've done

that, along with a couple other people on the list. If you're 
interested, check the archives for further information about it and 
getting it. My vet's office has developed an information packet that 
they happily share with other vets to speed the process.
Nina

Barbara Baass wrote:

 *Michelle,*
 *Where did you get this interferon?*
 *Barbara Baass*
 *//*



  
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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) (Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites)




LOL, yeah, I know, but when you work in rescues, 
you need to find every break you can. It helps that I've worked in a vet office 
and a few livestock supply stores, I picked up alot of info that 
way.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~hee 
hee, jenn, you're giving away all the secrets!
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Cats at Corpus Christi

2005-06-10 Thread Chris









Just for info I got
this from Neighborhood
 Cats.
There must be some poor nun who must be devestated! Lets hope they get the
remaining 3 cats soon



A volunteer who lived
in the area is the one who TNR'ed the cats and supplied food to a cat-friendly
nun. The other nuns were always a bit hostile, but nothing like this.





Chris

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Re: Ginger is eating with Periactin

2005-06-10 Thread Lernermichelle




Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ, because I am moving there in a month and, after taking her down there when I went to care for Pepsi, my horse, I did not want to put her through 2 more 5 hour car rides to bring her back to MA and then down to NJ again. So she is still there. She was doing really well by the time I left down there, eating great. According to my mom she is doing even better now-- eating 2-3 small cans of food a day plus dry food and drinking and playing a lot. So I have my fingers crossed that it was just the surgery and the URI that she got afterwards. 

Thanks for asking,
Michelle


In a message dated 6/9/2005 5:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle, how is Ginger?

RE: Ginger is eating with Periactin

2005-06-10 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto









I am sure it was  I am so so glad
that she is doing so well! Thank you for letting me know.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:01
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Ginger is eating with
Periactin









Ginger is still at my mom's in NJ, because I am moving there
in a month and, after taking her down there when I went to care for Pepsi, my
horse, I did not want to put her through 2 more 5 hour car rides to bring her
back to MA and then down to NJ again. So she is still there. She was doing
really well by the time I left down there, eating great. According to my
mom she is doing even better now-- eating 2-3 small cans of food a day plus dry
food and drinking and playing a lot. So I have my fingers crossed that it
was just the surgery and the URI that she got afterwards. 











Thanks for asking,





Michelle

















In a message dated 6/9/2005 5:39:18 PM Eastern Standard
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





Michelle, how is Ginger?

Angel Wings Update (from my inside contact)






In regards to finding homes for the cats at Angel Wings, my contact 
says:

"If it is a good foster, I don't care where it is! I just hope we can 
get them all. We got the 6 last night, and one is at least 10 (guess) 
years old and one has FIV. Some of these would be definite euth candidates 
if the shelter seizes them. Heck I sure don't mind a few old or FIV 
cats! I personally am not set up to handle any FeLV cats tho.
The sanctuary is in Kingston, TN, which is outside of 
Knoxville."

So they managed to get 6 cats out, I have replied to her asking her 
how she managed that, and will let you guys know. I asked her about what 
arrangements can be made for any FELV+ and FIV+ cats, and am waiting to hear 
back on if they can go anywhere for a few days to a week until transport to 
foster homes is arranged, waiting to hear back on that too. Like she said, all 
we can do is hope that the authorities will turn the cats over to rescues, and 
not to the city, because if they do, the city will immediately kill all FIV+ and 
FELV+ cats, even though their owners placed them at this place for sanctuary. 
PLEASE, if you know of anyone who may have taken a cat there, they need to get 
in contact with these people right away, to reclaim their cat! I also asked her 
if the city shelter there does humane euthanasia, or if it stills has a gas 
chamber (many backwoods small towns still gas them to death). Is there any other 
info I should ask of her? Is anyone willing to take a 
cat?
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~I 
collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker 
collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free 
can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address 
you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
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Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites

Thank you very much Jenn.  I had read that Ivermectin is now approved, 
can't remember where I saw it though, somewhere in my research travels.  
It does however still require a prescription when packaged for this 
specific use.  Really, I want to be fair and charitable, but I feel like 
hitting somebody.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I have used it diluted in ear cleaner personally. I just squirted a bit of the 
ear
cleaner out of the bottle and shot some of the Ivomec in, nothing too 
scientific.
BUT, I can figure the exact dilution for you, but someone needs to re-check my 
math
as I'm not mathematically inclined!

If the Acarexx dosage is .01%, and the cattle injectible is 1.0%, then you would
dilute 1 part injectible Ivomec with 100 parts water (I'd personally use sterile
saline for ears) or ear cleaner. That would leave you with the same dosage as 
the
Acarexx topical for otic use (you guys fix my math if I'm wrong). However, since
Ivermectin is not easily absorbed via a transdermal route (meaning it doesn't 
get
into the blood stream from getting on the skin), I'd say you could go twice that
strong and be perfectly safe. It is actually being used NON-diluted by many 
humane
societies and feral cat clinics now as an injectible for cats. The dosage is 
0.1 ML
administered under the skin. If you can safely INJECT that much, you can 
certainly
use that much IN the ear, since it's not absorbed that way anyways. 0.1 ML is 
about 2
drops, in my experience. I'd take the 0.1 ML of Ivomec, add another 0.2 ML's of
saline to it, and give 2 to 4 drops in each ear, just because it would get into 
the
ear canal better that way, and it would thin it a bit and allow it to be easier 
to
apply. Keep in mind, if you buy the Acarexx drops, they have to be repeated in 
about
3 weeks, same goes for any ear mite treatment, simply because the drug does not 
kill
the eggs, only the live adults, so when they hatch, you have to get them.

FIRST OFF:
Ivermectin should not be used in combination with valium or related 
tranquilizers.

http://www.auburn.edu/prevet/catnap/protocols/physicalexameartip.htm
Operation catnip, a feral cat neutering clinic states:
Use 1 cc syringes for the Ivomec. There is one dose for cats: 0.1 ml SQ once. 
If you
have a very small kitten (3-4 months old weighing 3-4 lbs), half the dose! This
dosage of Ivomec treats ear mites, round and hook worms. Ivomec solution is very
thick and can be difficult to draw out of the bottle. 
(they actually inject it, rather than use it topically)

http://www.petrescue.com/library/earmites.htm
States:
In our opinion, Ivomec® (Ivermectin) is the most effective treatment to date. 
It is
now commonly used by a number of veterinarians in the U.S. for the treatment of 
ear
mites in cats and dogs. This is the same prescription medicine used in monthly
heartworm preventative tablets for cats and dogs and requires that you take 
your pet
to the vet for treatment.
There are two methods of  application - by injection or topically in the ear 
canals.
It has been our experience that this is absolutely the most effective method of
eliminating an ear mite infestation in a large group of animals.
Precautions
If your veterinarian is unfamiliar with the latest medical literature that 
states the
safe formulations and dosages of Ivermectin to use for this purpose, we strongly
recommend that you avoid this method of treatment! The correct dosages are 
extremely
small (micrograms) and do not correlate in any way to proportional dosages used 
in
cattle.
Ivermectin is not FDA approved for the treatment of ear mites in cats and dogs 
at
this time. Your vet should inform you of this fact before proceeding.

More Info:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_ivermectin.html

Stay away from the pig stuff, or anything that says drench, or sheep. Get the 
CATTLE
injectible. Make sure it's ONLY ivermection, and doesn't have any other things 
in it.
Some of the sheep and pig stuff has other chemicals in it too.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

~~~
Thanks Jenn, I had seen the Ivomec wormer for cattle and pigs, but it's a 
different
solution amount, cattle: 1% and the, what looks like ingestible one for pigs is 
.02%.
The .02% is closer to the .01% that's used for earmites, but I hesitate to put 
this
in her ears, when I'm not sure exactly how much to use, or if it's lacking 
something
that would make it less irritating to the delicate lining of the ear canal.  
I'm not
even sure of how much to use.  Have you used this before directly into a cat's 
ears?
I've used Acarexx, (the Ivermectin specifically packaged for ear mites in 
cats), with
good results, so I trust it.  My concern is, what if I get this into her ears 
and she
has some adverse reaction?  I'll get my ass in the car and race to the feed 
store, if
I know it's safe and effective.
Thanks for the help,
Nina

Re: OT - PETA question

2005-06-10 Thread Lernermichelle

I have to say, I actually agree with PETA on all of that, though not on their feral cat stance. They do not think that people should not adopt and care for animals, they just think they should not be bred in order to be pets for people. I agree. I also took care of my two horses for decades without riding them, because after some years of riding I discovered that our relationships were much better without doing that. And breeding dogs certainly leads to the population issues that cause shelter euthanasia. I doubt many people on this list would support breeding cats intentionally. We are all adamant about spaying and neutering them! I certainly do not think existing pit bulls or any other animals should be banned anywhere, but I am in favor of banning intentional breeding of animals.

Anyway, I agree this is not the forum for a big debate on any of these issues. But I wanted to voice that some of us, or at least I, do not think these stances are crazy and in fact believe in them strongly. I am not a PETA supporter, though, because I disagree with their oppositioln to TNR with ferals and because I think a lot of their ad campaigns are sexist. But I think they have done a lot for animals too.

Michelle

In a message dated 6/10/2005 11:51:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I believe that truly is PETA's stance. But not just for Pits, for ALL pets. PETA is against breeding, period.

That's all I'm saying on the issue, I do NOT intend to be part of a PETA opinion debate.
Jenn

Re: Angel Wings Update (more info again)

From my contact:
-
-
We only have one FIV+ cat so far [note from Jenn: no FELV+ yet].  And he is a 
hoss!!
Weighs 18 pounds.  Beautiful boy. Black and White, VERY VERY scared.   I have
pictures, but will not have time to download til Sunday.  He is very cool boy.

We hope that Rehnee will keep surrendering the cats to her trusted rescue.  We 
are
testing every cat.  No way around it, cost or not.  Now the story will be very
different if the shelter seizes them.  I just hope that they will let other 
rescue
groups intervene.  That could go bad, very bad.  I see a big kill if that 
happens.
It just scares me to even think about it.

You could possibly find FeLV homes also??  I do not know anyone who can/will 
take
them.  I am a few others are not afraid of FIV.  But if you could get some
connections for the Leuk, please!!

Hey, I would like to see more info on how contagious the FeLV is.  I would love 
to
see that it is not so bad.  Yes, I know not to mix the FeLV with anyone.

We are trying to get fosters for all, running out.  I will set up cages before 
I will
let them be killed.  And if we do have to euth, it will be the humane way, I 
assure
you.  There are a few groups working on this.  Unfortunately, this is the busy 
kitten
season... sigh.. of course.  We do have a couple of adoption places that can 
take 1-2
cats each.  Hopefully we can keep the rest in foster care, you know.  We will 
figure
out a way.

A website for positive cats, how cool.  THANK YOU!!!
-
---

Can you guys send me all of the best webpages you have on the facts of FELV and 
it's
contagiousness? I know there is new info out there that says it is not as 
contagious
as once thought, but I'm running out of research time, and I have a date 
tonight. I
need as much positive info about FELV as I can find to send to this lady, she 
really
wants to help, but is of the older thinking of FELV being a death sentence and 
always
requiring quarantine. She needs info to give to possible fosters so they wont 
be so
scared of FELV.

Jenn
http://ucat.us
http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html

~~~
I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who 
must
live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.
Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up 
until she
earns a free can of formula!
PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!

If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you 
can send
them to, to help feed Bazil!



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Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites




Just try to change your way of seeing this 
situation Nina. Your vet may truly have your cat's best interests at heart, She 
may have had a client in the past who was an idiot and killed their cat at home 
with meds she gave out, and that made her less trustful of people now, so she 
just doesn't want to take any chances with any animal's health. Also, the FDA 
and USDA are very strict about which drugs get used for which purpose. Many 
times it's a pain in all of our asses, like the Feline Interferon, we can't get 
it here (in the USA), and it sucks. But other times, it can save animals (and 
humans too), like in Michelle's case with Bramble, she lives outside the USA, 
and her flea medication (Stronghold)did not say on the label "not for use 
in sick or weak cats", and now Bramble is very ill from it. In the USA the same 
drug here (Revolution) has that warning on the box. The government is, if 
anything guilty of creating laws that protect us TOO MUCH (think the seatbelt 
law). Much preferable to a government that does not give a crap at all and lets 
any freak with snake oil poison us all (think Hartz). Your vet is probably the 
same way, she's doing what she feels is necessary to protect you and your cats, 
maybe it's going a tad too far, but I'm sure she means well. You called her and 
told her you have a sick cat, and that it has a sore on it's neck from 
scratching, she probably wants to be sure the cat is not really ill or getting 
an infection before she gives you the meds. Back to the flea meds, the 
Revolution, that's the same med that I'm talking about Michelle gave to Bramble, 
you are NOT suppose to give it to sick or weak cats, so your vet is probably 
correct in not giving it to you if you've told her the cat is sick. See? You 
just have to change your perspective around some. Of course, there are vets who 
are only in the business to line their pockets, but we'll hope she isn't one of 
those. Have you tried calling other local vets and asking them if they can 
sellthe Acarexxto you without an office visit? I think you can use 
it even on a sick cat, so you may have better luck not mentioning that your cat 
has been sick, and ONLY asking for the earmite meds, not the 
Revolution.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~Thank 
you very much Jenn. I had read that Ivermectin is now approved, can't 
remember where I saw it though, somewhere in my research travels. It 
does however still require a prescription when packaged for this specific 
use. Really, I want to be fair and charitable, but I feel like hitting 
somebody.Nina
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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise) (Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites)

2005-06-10 Thread Sheila208

Thanks Jenn,It really helps when you have a lot of animals.

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

2005-06-10 Thread Tad Burnett





Jenn
 You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked
at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is
anybody livibg there or have they been abandoned???
 I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a
local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sherif
escorted visit...

 The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters
etc. on something that I have to take somebody elses word on unless I
know that person very well personaly...By those pictures they should be
able to handel the problem localy...

And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a
number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights
..
And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski
country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next
winter too...

Tad


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  I did not mean to say you are doing
nothing to save cats in general, I meant you are doing nothing in THIS
case, sorry if I wasn't clear. I know you do alot in other cases.
  
  They are ALREADY dying AT this place http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadinyard.jpg,
so saying that you wont support the actions unless you are sure no
death will come of it doesn't really make much sense (death is coming
of it IF we do nothing).
  
  You MUST not have looked at ALL of the
photos Tad, the lush country side you speak of is a small consolation
for the ones INSIDE in THIS: http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/floor.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/bagscoffeetable.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/kitchen.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/fecescat.jpg(look
there, feces in the food)
  
  And this is the lush countryside?
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/watersupply.jpg
  http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/yard.jpg
  
  This cat is DRINKING that water! http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/dump.jpg
  
  The rescue that is working with Ms.
Harvey (she's already turned over 6 cats voluntarily) is working very
hard to be there when it all goes down, to try to save these cats from
going intothe hands of the cityanimal control. Unlike you, I do not
believe that it is humane to let cats fend for themselves with minimal
shelter and food, they are domesticated animals, and I feel they
require a clean and safe living enviroment to thrive. Even minimal
shelter is questionable in this case, it must REEK of ammonia inside
that trailer that serves as their "shelter"! Cats have very sensitive
respiratory tracts, and being forced to find refuge in filth that reeks
of ammonia is very bad for them.
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
Jenn
 Please don't say I am doing nothingTrue..I am doing nothing on
getting someone that may be doing a lot more than you are to save cats
from be ing shut down
 I asked for the proof that these cats were sufferingThey may have
a couple junk piles but that has little to do on how the cats are being
cared for...In the lush country side shown in the pictures most cats
could survive quit well on their own and just having some very minimul
shelter and care is far better than being rounded up and pronounced too
sick to save and being PTS the same day...No time to get any rescue in
to save them unless like the nuns the rescue goes in with the sherif
and does the seizure...There just isn't room for these cats to remain
alive at an instance notice...
I just don't think writing a bunch of letter to officials complaining
is going to bring a happy ending to these catsOver and over again
if you follow up a seizure most of the animals are PTS the same day

 And by the way..as far as doing nothing...Remember those 3 FeLV+ cats
you were going to take from NJ if you could set up
transportation...Well..It so happened that I had taken in an FeLV+ from
a few miles away down there just a month before...The same transport
that I used was readily still available and I was going to take the
remaining 2 positives...Fortunately the hole mess was taken care of
locally...

Yes...In the last 6 months I have lost 3 cats...But I have taken in 2
seniors left at my vets office to be PTS becouse our local no kill
shelter had no room for them...And we don't even have a big problem
here in VT...Also The shelter called me and asked if I could take a
beautiful long haired buff colored cat that had be brought in
stray...His ears half gone from frost bite...and FeLV+Probably some
students kitten that grew up and got put outside at Green Mountain
Collage...
My vet bills and food bills are well over $400 a month for my 27 rescue
cats and it all comes out of my pocket...
But you are right...I will not write letters to a sherif 1000 miles
away

Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites





Jenn,
I'm fully aware of the logic behind not freely handing out prescription
drugs, or advising people on medical treatments based on the reporting
of a couple of symptoms. Not being an idiot, I'm fully aware of the
idiots that are out there, and the danger of arming them with
medications at whim. In this specific case, and in general with feral
cats that can't easily, (or, many times, at all), be examined and cared
for in the same way a house cat might, I am willing to do something
that MIGHT help, rather than do nothing at all for fear it's the wrong
thing. In other words, in many cases, I'm willing to intervene on the
side of proaction. I would just like to find a vet that understands
that without this sort of help, these cats may be doomed to slow
lingering deaths anyway. It would be infinately better for these
animals to have a vet work closely with a caregiver making sure the
choices we make are the most informed they can be.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  Just try to change your way of seeing
this situation Nina. Your vet may truly have your cat's best interests
at heart, She may have had a client in the past who was an idiot and
killed their cat at home with meds she gave out, and that made her less
trustful of people now, so she just doesn't want to take any chances
with any animal's health. Also, the FDA and USDA are very strict about
which drugs get used for which purpose. Many times it's a pain in all
of our asses, like the Feline Interferon, we can't get it here (in the
USA), and it sucks. But other times, it can save animals (and humans
too), like in Michelle's case with Bramble, she lives outside the USA,
and her flea medication (Stronghold)did not say on the label "not for
use in sick or weak cats", and now Bramble is very ill from it. In the
USA the same drug here (Revolution) has that warning on the box. The
government is, if anything guilty of creating laws that protect us TOO
MUCH (think the seatbelt law). Much preferable to a government that
does not give a crap at all and lets any freak with snake oil poison us
all (think Hartz). Your vet is probably the same way, she's doing what
she feels is necessary to protect you and your cats, maybe it's going a
tad too far, but I'm sure she means well. You called her and told her
you have a sick cat, and that it has a sore on it's neck from
scratching, she probably wants to be sure the cat is not really ill or
getting an infection before she gives you the meds. Back to the flea
meds, the Revolution, that's the same med that I'm talking about
Michelle gave to Bramble, you are NOT suppose to give it to sick or
weak cats, so your vet is probably correct in not giving it to you if
you've told her the cat is sick. See? You just have to change your
perspective around some. Of course, there are vets who are only in the
business to line their pockets, but we'll hope she isn't one of those.
Have you tried calling other local vets and asking them if they can
sellthe Acarexxto you without an office visit? I think you can use it
even on a sick cat, so you may have better luck not mentioning that
your cat has been sick, and ONLY asking for the earmite meds, not the
Revolution.
  
  
Jenn
  http://ucat.us
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
  
  
  ~~~
Thank you very much Jenn. I had read that Ivermectin is now approved, 
can't remember where I saw it though, somewhere in my research
travels. 
It does however still require a prescription when packaged for this 
specific use. Really, I want to be fair and charitable, but I feel
like 
hitting somebody.
Nina
  
  
  

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RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY

That's what I thought! I forwarded the ideas, but haven't had time to check up with anyone from the group yet tonight. I'll let you know what I find out!!

tChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

He could try Angels Gate which is near him. Also, North Shore does have a retirement plan for animals but it does cost some. How does he know they are 17 if he took them off the street a few years ago?

Chris
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anyone know of a retirement home for 2?

I live in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago; abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is nil.

Thanks

Richard

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:21:40 -0400 "rjmondello" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi,

My name is Richard Mondello and I have two adult cats that I can't find a home for. They are 17 but in very good health. I will be moving infour weeks and my new home will not allow pets. Can you direct me to a place where the cats would not be put down? I am prepared to make a donation for help. As stated, the cats are in good health, declawed and very friendly. I've contacted some organizations but have been told that adult cats are difficult to place.

Thanks for your time,

Richard

To you, it's just a temporary gift of a bit of space and some extra food~ to him it is the immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of fostering!('')

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RE: Information

2005-06-10 Thread Nicholena Rushton




Hello. I have just adopted a 8 week old kitten named Ziggy. 
Ziggy had his first vet visit on 6-9-05 and since I knew nothing about his mom 
or dad I decided to have a FeLV test done which resulted in a positive. I 
was devastated and am now trying to figure out the best course for Ziggy. 
He is acting like a normal kitten would, getting into all sorts of trouble and 
shows no signs of the diease. I am trying to stave off anfull blown 
attack and would like to have information regarding what I should be doing right 
from the start. I am going to have retested in a follow up visit on 6-30 
and am also curious to know if he could come up neg by then? I know 
relatively little about this disease and am becoming increasingly confused 
by all of the information on the web. Any help would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks you 

Niki Rushton

RE: AC Kat - How can you tell?

2005-06-10 Thread Kathleen A. Berard

Hi, Nina. The best way you know is through actively practicing your
attempts to communicate with them telepathically. For instance, you're
sitting there reading a book, totally absorbed in it, and from nowhere
pops in the idea that I should take the dog for a walk or he wants a
biscuit or I should go see what he's doing, it's gotten too quiet.
That is you picking up information from the dog. 

You can also try it in reverse: be reading your book and send your dog
an image of you going to the door, getting their leash, and taking them
for a walk. Or send them the thought, would you like a biscuit? and
see what happens. Sometimes they respond to what you send, if they're
open to your messages and you send it with a soft focus (not pushing
the thought at them). Animals are very adept at picking up our
intentions (how many cats disappear when it's time to go to the vet? How
did they know?), our emotions and the mental images we send. Learning to
do this just takes practice. 

I highly recommend reading a few books about animal communication to get
more information about what-all is involved, it's a bit more (but not
much more) complicated than I'm describing. See
www.katberard.com/res_media_books_ani_comm.htm for suggestions. The
books I start folks off with are Animal Voices and Awakening to Animal
Voices by Dawn Brunke; Animal Talk and When Animals Speak by Penelope
Smith; and Learning Their Language by Marta Williams.

I don't believe you can be a good dog trainer without employing some
telepathy because you learn to read body language yes, but what about
the information you receive that has nothing to do with body language?
Just that sense of knowing you get about something, or a thought pops
in from nowhere, or a picture comes to you in your mind; it's probably
the animal relaying information to you because it's not you consciously
thinking those things. You as a trainer are in a different, more skilled
position, because you understand body language, so I can see where it
might be a bit confusing as to what you already know and what's coming
from the animal. But there are those little pieces of info that occur to
you - perhaps inspiration if you will - that could be coming from the
animal. 

The only way to validate it is to practice, see what happens, and also
do the reverse: deliberately send information (thoughtforms, concepts,
images, feelings) to the animal and see how they react. Now, please
don't think you can't communicate if they don't do anything! You may not
have gotten through, they may have been distracted/anxious/agitated and
cannot focus on what you're sending, they may not want to do what you're
asking . . .

Getting validation is sometimes easier when working with another
person's animal because you have no preconceived notion (assuming you
don't know the animal) of who they might be. You ask for certain data,
then you scan the situation or ask the animal what could be helpful,
what do they need/what's missing in their life, what is the feeling and
reason behind why they do they do a certain behavior, etc. and see what
comes back (in whatever form: words, pictures, sounds, feelings,
thought-forms or concepts, physical sensations . . .)

When it comes to talking with an animal that is near the end of its
life, sit quietly and get centered. Ask them how they're feeling and let
them know that you do not want them to stay and suffer for you. That you
will be okay when they go; sad, but okay. This is so important to tell
them because sometimes animals will hang around a lot longer than they
should, just for us. Then you tell them it's okay to go to the Light
when they're ready. And then ask them if they want assistance out of
their body [you convey - gently- the euthanasia process, i.e. a poke
with a needle and they fall asleep, another poke with a needle and their
heart stops beating and their spirit is free to let go of the body].
You'll get a sense of knowing, one way or the other, whether they want
assistance or they want to go under their own power. Sometimes they
change their mind and want assistance when the going gets rough (if it
does). You just have to trust your instincts and intuition. There comes
- I promise you - a definitive moment when you look in their eyes and
you just know it's time, if they're wanting assistance.

And one question to ask yourself about any of the information you
receive, regarding whatever, is: if I'm wrong, is this going to hurt
anyone? And, if I'm making this up, why would I make this up and not
that up? Chances are high that you're not just making it up/thinking it
yourself. It's coming from the animal (yes, even thoughts of euthanasia
assistance can come from them before you ask them). Never feel bad or
guilty about asking an animal if they want assistance; if they seem to
struggle near the end, ask them again if they want assistance if they
previously said they want to go on their own. Trust your intuition. If
you're still not sure, have a

Re: sanctuaries: open to the public?

Title: AOL Email





  
  

  
  
  In a 
  message dated 6/10/2005 1:24:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  how the sanctuary where i lived/worked handled taking in 
cats:we did NOT list a street address anywhere, for reasons i've 
mentionedpreviously. it was our home as well as that of the cats; 
the potentialfor problems with neighbors tho we were licensed by the 
state and incompliance with local regulations; the very real problem 
of dump offs;the need to get our work done without constant 
interruption frompeople who just wanted to stop by. liability was 
also an issue, thonot the greatest concern.while we 
theoretically only took in FIVs and FeLVs from rescues andshelters, 
rather than individuals, once people knew of us, that wasn'talways 
the case.as long as we had room for the cats--which included 
isolation spacefor the first two weeks following arrival, we 
accepted any FIV/FeLVcats that were spayed/neutered, had the 
requisite vaccinations, andhad been tested adequately (western blot 
for FIV; IFA for FeLV).we did NOT go out and get cats; we did 
NOT meet people off-site: wewere too busy caring for the cats to do 
that! we were NOT askingpeople to donate their cats to us (tho 
people would call and say theywanted to do just that; funny, "cats" 
was NEVER on our donation-needslists).anyone who had a 
legitimate reason to come to the sanctuary was givendirections--the 
only restriction was that visits, including bringing acat into 
sanctuary, had to be arranged in advance so that we couldmake sure 
someone would be there. and that other things weren'tscheduled at 
the same time.my favorite times were when people would come with 
a cat, and leavewith it. that happened often enough with FIV cats to 
let us know howvital accurate information and education are. rarely, 
people wouldeven take their FeLVs home with them when they learned 
the facts aboutthat virus, but nowhere near as 
often...-- MaryChristine
  
  Mary Christine,
  I could have written the same story 
  about our sanctuary!!
  Patti

Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

2005-06-10 Thread Susan Loesch

I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to get.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this info  advice?
Someone really should forward ALL info to him.
Patti

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY

2005-06-10 Thread Susan Loesch

Well, DUH - I just now read the full subject line - think I'd stopped at the age before! Could probably arrange a NY - AR transport.catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That's what I thought! I forwarded the ideas, but haven't had time to check up with anyone from the group yet tonight. I'll let you know what I find out!!

tChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

anyone know of a retirement home for 2?

I live in Astoria, Queens NY. I took the cats off the streets a few years ago; abandoned in a cardboard box. I have severe health concerns and my energy is nil.

Thanks

Richard

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:21:40 -0400 "rjmondello" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi,

Thanks for your time,

Richard

To you, it's just a temporary gift of a bit of space and some extra food~ to him it is the immeasurable gift of life!~ Never underestimate the importance of fostering!('')

Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA





In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:32:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Didn't 
  notice where he is located but could possibly arrange to fly to 
get.

In Bronx, 
NY

Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA




In a message dated 6/10/2005 10:29:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Has anyone contacted this man via e-mail with this 
  info  advice?
  Someone really should forward ALL info to 
  him.
  Patti
Tonya,
Accept my apologies for not reading ALL posts in 
order!
I should have KNOWN you were right on it!
Many Thanks,
Patti (Slightly red-faced...)

Admin: Gentle reminder

2005-06-10 Thread James G. Wilson

Hello all,

I've received some private complaints about our list starting to 
drift from its mission of late. While a certain amount of activism 
and off-topic (OT) posting is allowed (and appreciated), the focus of 
our main topic is getting a bit drowned out. This is a high-volume 
list anyway, so too much OT posting makes it harder for folks in need 
to get advice and assistance. There are many activism/rescue lists 
that are more appropriate for extended conversations on such topics, 
so maybe pointing folks to those lists would help alleviate some of 
the congestion here. If you have any questions/comments about this, 
please feel free to contact me privately. Take care, and best wishes 
to all.

James G. Wilson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.felineleukemia.org

Re: Nina, ivermectin 4 earmites





Thanks Patti, 
Mineral oil! That's a great idea. I like Jenn's idea of using the ear
wash to dilute it too.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  We actually "injected" the ivomec. With1ml syringes...doses vary according to weight, but normal
injectable dose was VERY low, check w/ vet ref guide.
  We NEVER gave higher than I believe .08mg.
  But it's been awhile, but I would check.
  You can also make your own Acarexx, using
Ivomec  mineral oil. Again, check doses
  Also Ivomec isa GREAT dewormer!
  Patti
  
  
  There is a very good reference book
available, I just can't remember the name  due to my move. my
books are still in storage!

Re: Med ?

Title: AOL Email





  

  
  

  
  Jenn,
  Yes, Periactin, also known as 
  cyproheptadine is used commonly as an appetite 
  stimulant.
  I have used it many times, and 
  more often than not, it DOES increase appetite.
  Patti

Re: Information





Hi Niki,
I'm sorry your little Ziggy has tested positive. I'm sure you're
already head over heals in love with him, how could you not be? When I
first found out my babies were positive I was devastated and very
confused. You've come to the right place to help you sort through all
the information out there We can also help you with our personal
experience in dealing with FeLV. First, let me try and help reassure
you that even though Ziggy may be positive, (he may be testing
false-positive because of his mom's antigens, or is it antibodies?), it
isn't the automatic death sentence that so many people, and even some
vets, think it is. Many, many of our angels live happy, healthy lives,
(although, unfortunately, they usually have shorter life spans). You
can't expect this disease to manifest the same way for any given cat.
What it does is impair their immune system so that they have a harder
time fighting off diseases that other cats might not even have a
problem with, they are also much more prone to different kinds of
cancer. The most important things you can do for Ziggy, are to feed
him the best quality food you can afford, put him on immune supportive
supplements, keep his home environment as stress free as possible and
never take a 'wait and see' approach to any signs of illness. Make
sure you have a vet that has treated FeLV kitties before, or at least
one that is willing to keep an open mind about alternative treatments.
Most of us have found Board Certified Internists that are necessary for
any unusual circumstances that regular vets just aren't equipped to
handle. I'd start asking for referrals right away so you have someone
to go to when/if the need arises. I also suggest waiting on re-testing
Ziggy. Usually people wait 3 to 6 months. Someone else on the list
I'm sure will jump in here with advice on that and the many other
questions I'm sure you have. I'm sorry you had the need for us, but
welcome. The members of this list are wonderful, supportive and very
well informed. Give that Ziggy a kiss for me!
Nina

Nicholena Rushton wrote:

  
  
  

  Hello. I have just adopted a 8 week old kitten named Ziggy.
Ziggy had his first vet visit on 6-9-05 and since I knew nothing about
his mom or dad I decided to have a FeLV test done which resulted in a
positive. I was devastated and am now trying to figure out the best
course for Ziggy. He is acting like a normal kitten would, getting
into all sorts of trouble and shows no signs of the diease. I am
trying to stave off anfull blown attack and would like to have
information regarding what I should be doing right from the start. I
am going to have retested in a follow up visit on 6-30 and am also
curious to know if he could come up neg by then? I know relatively
little about this disease and am becoming increasingly confused by all
of the information on the web. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  
  Thanks you 
  
  Niki Rushton

Re: Med ?





I had Cypro prescribed in a transdermal for my Gypsy. I'm not sure if
it helped her appetite because she also started Pred at around the same
time and that stimulates the appetite too.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  AOL Email
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  


Jenn,
Yes, Periactin,
also known as cyproheptadine is used commonly as an appetite stimulant.
I have used it
many times, and more often than not, it DOES increase appetite.
Patti

Re: OT - PETA question

We've been having this same discussion on another group. Evidently the information is true and is a direct quote from Ingrid Newkirk. I was given several sites to look at, but they did all come from pit bull rescue sites. I haven't had time to verify anything on a peta site. It was very upsetting to me because I've always supported (financially) peta. And, according to the information peta has actively testified in favor of breed specific legislation in addition to what was stated in the article you mentioned.

We went on to discuss further though that groups like peta basically want to abolish people using animals in any form, including pets. And it's really interesting, because this issue has come up on 3 different lists I'm on this week in different arenas. Regarding the peta situation I think their opinion is that cats and dogs are worse off for having been 'domesticated' by humans. I said I wondered what percentage ofcats and dogsaround the world are even 'adequately' cared for, much less those abused, eaten, tested on, etc But then again, are there any 'wild' animals that aren't harmed by humans in some form or another. I really can't think of any species that gets to live it's life in peace without interference much anymore. Maybe earthworms?

Then it came up on this list again with the differing viewpoints on the cats in Tennessee. Jenn talking about going in to rescue them, with the idea that the rescue, even if it means pts is urgent, and Tad stating maybe they should wait, maybe the cats would rather be left alone than pts, or at least not to rush the issue. (I don't want to misquote either one of you) But that's how I saw what you were saying, and I can see both sides. I wouldn't want to be the one that decides what's "best" for those cats when it's obvious they cannot all be saved if the lady is shut down. (which she obviously will and should be) And... IF they saved every single cat from that sanctuary, let's say 80. That means that 80 other area cats will be pts. What is the best decision? I don't know. Maybe the best decision would be for humans to never have taken on animals as pets?? Maybe the best decision, but obviously never would have
and never will happen.

Last, (all these forums are ones someone from this list has invited me to) the best friends forum has been discussing finding lost animals. They have a pet detective kind of guy there this week talking about trying to find lost pets. Someone spoke about the problem they have had in the past where a shelter dog comes in neglected, not vetted, neutered, etc. Gets adopted, trained, etc and then the former owner recognizes and wants that animal back. Or when we find a straggly animal and say the owner must not have cared for the animal or they wouldn't have let it outside, etc I say that all the time. lol. I will hardly ever give one back I find, because I NEVER think the owner is GOOD enough. And maybe they're not as good as me. lol! Buthe was saying he thought we were looking for a 'perfect' world and that we should give them back if there was someone that wanted them. The pet overpopulation problemis bad
enough. If someone wants them, we may not think they are 'good enough' to have them, but was that really our place to decide? (I know we think it is. lol)He was talking about coming from a law enforcement background. I'll have to forward it to the list. He said as an officer he often had to deal with stupid, lazy, uncaring people, who never should have had children, etc but had to treat them with respect.

We all know it's pretty rare that children are taken from their parents no matter how bad the situation is, but we expect better for pets. He said it better than I did. I'll forward it!

It's all very interesting to think about. I think I may be off my high horse a bit with people. It's easy to say I would never pts my pet because of lack of money, or whatever, but realistically, most people don't have the money we spend on our animals. (Although a lot of people have a LOT more money than I do and I end up spending what little money I have to save their animals.)

I guess it is what it is, and I wonder if things will ever change.

tonyaRachel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't want to drive the list crazy on the pit topic again, but I thought this was rather interesting and was curious about PETA's stand on this (which is mentioned in the article).

First off, I recognize this is an opinion article, but the author claims to be part of PETA. I am not a PETA supporter, so I don't know if she is actually in any way associated with PETA.
I was wondering if anyone could corroborate or dispute these statements, in particular to PETA's stand/opinion on this matter...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/08/EDGDLD4G1S1.DTL

many thanks ...

Rachel

"Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog" C. Doran

Forward I promised about judging quality of life

The 'pet detective' part I was talking about in my post is mostly the bottom part of the post.

tonya

NMHPForum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "NMHPForum" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:00:35 -0700Subject: [NMHP] But, what if their quality of life would be less in their old home?







My Groups | NMHP Main Page 



Question from Deborah:


I certainly see your side of it, butI believe that what you call HAB is sometimes mistaken for a simple battle over possession. Love, if that's what really motivated this family to try to get their dog back after they saw him healthy and happy on TV, is simply not enough. I know what can happen to dogs on the run: we see it every day.




I think the rule of returning dogs to "cheese-ball" owners without adequate knowledge that the dogs will be saferepresents an oversimplification of a very complex problem.Are you suggesting that westop caring what happens to the dog after placement?



To us,the quality of care the dog receives is the most important consideration. The overpopulation problem isa long term one that won't be solved by fast, easy placements without adequate consideration of quality of life.



We do return some to their originalhomes, but we would never return a dog like the one I described to the conditions he came from.He would be back in Animal Control, once again terrified, lame, and showing evidence of starvation before the month was out.

Responsefrom Kat Albrecht:
You have some really good points  and thanks for allowing me to express my very different point of view. I do not believe that every single found stray should go back to its original owner  especially if physical evidence and other evidence show signs of severe neglect or abuse. Clearly you know more than I about the case of the dog you mentioned. If you know that this dog would have been starving and lame within a month, then it sounds like you made the most humane move possible and I agree with that decision. 

But I firmly believe that rescue workers need to use sound judgment and proper decision making skills in these situations. If the bottom line is that you truly believe that this dog would be in harms way by giving it back to its owner, then follow your heart like you did in this case. But Ive seen many cases where misinterpretations of the dogs behavior, the dogs physical condition, or the fact that the owner did not show up at the shelter (and there are MANY reasons why this can happen) caused a rescuer to refuse to return the dog to the owner who was searching for it. We even had a case where a rescue group found a stray, skinny Boxer with a long tail. Because the dog had no collar and was skinny (something that could result from being loose and lost for over a week), they assumed it was neglected. A volunteer from the rescue group
 involved told me that they planned to have this (adult) dogs tail docked (cut off) in order to alter the appearance of the dog so that the neglectful owner cant claim it. 

Remember that I deal with the families who are grieving because the dog or cat who they loved like a child is missing or, in a few cases, is being held by someone who refuses to return it to them. So the people whom I network with on a daily basis are those who do have a strong HAB  strong enough that they would contact a pet detective for assistance. This obviously influences my view on this topic.

My view on this topic is also influenced by that fact that I come from a background in police work. As a police officer (and detective for 7 years) I was responsible for helping people and rendering aid to people whomone could easily say did not deserve to be helped. Stupid people, sick people, crazy people, mean people, stinky people, and many people who should never have been allowed to have children. I worked several accident scenes where some idiot who was driving recklessly lost control and crashed  but I never went up and laughed at them and said, Ha! Ha! You got what you deserved! I was conditioned to serve and protect  even people who I considered to be living in a manner that was unacceptable to me. There are ALWAYS going to be people out there who do not deserve to have children, let alone dogs and cats.
 

So the bottom line is that I just encourageeveryone to continue to place dogs into humane situations with people who will not abuse or neglect them. But realize that there are often other circumstances that go beyond whatwe see or think. Just becausewe find a dog trotting along a rural road does NOT mean that it was dumped and is unwanted. And even if the dog was dumped there, it does NOT mean that the family who owns it dumped it! Many people have had irate neighbors (who are tired of the theirdog barking) enter their yards, take their dogs, and go and dump them outside of town. We have done a great job of putting out the message of ABANDONED PETS and HOMELESS PETS and UNWANTED PETS but almost no education about

Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)




I believe, that the lady lives in a separate 
trailer on the same property and that this was the "cat trailer" but I could be 
mistaken on that, as I never actually asked that question. I can certainly find 
out, but my contact is out of touch until Sunday, so it will be a couple of 
days.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 


~~~ 
You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked at...I 
don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is anybody living 
there or have they been abandoned??? I would think those inside 
pictures would be enough to show to a local official and with rescue onboard, 
cages in hand get a sheriff escorted visit... 
The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters etc. on 
something that I have to take somebody else's word on unless I know that person 
very well personally...By those pictures they should be able to handle the 
problem locally...And even here in VT they have a very 
active feral program to support a number of cats that live outdoors through our 
-30 degree winter nights ..And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats 
are moving to ski country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder 
weather next winter too...Tad
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Re: OT: US military killing dogs in Iraq (real action you can take that can help and not cause any harm)

I agree about fostering military animals. But, this is not a case of us criticising how "they" treat "their" animals.American soldiers were shooting"their" animals. There's nothing very hypocritical about it. It's pretty forthright, cruel, and hateful. Those kinds of behaviors are not going to win much support for America from anyone. I just don't understand why if someone is going to act in such a despicable way they videotape it for prosperity?

I've received a lot of email and read a lot about the military pets. It is an awful situation and I know that there are many, many soldiers serving our countrywho have lost a pet through no fault of their own. But I have heardtoo that it's a pretty common occurrence in military townsthat soldiers(and their families)just turn in what they have whenever they get restationed and get something new when they move, and then turn around and do the same thing again.The warwith Iraq then turned the problem into an all out disaster.I support our soldiers in their work, but in regard to animals, I'm surethere are responsible and irresponsible pet owners in the military just as there are in every walk of society.

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




If you REALLY want to help animals being killed by this war, sign up to foster a military pet here:
http://www.operationnoblefoster.org/

The AMERICAN cats and dogs of soldiers who are being deployed over seas have no where to go but to be dumped or sent tolocal animal shelters who are already over-run by animals, and so,many of them are being killed. These are American pets, healthy, loved, and wanted, but who, because of this war, have been forced to be dumped by the enlisted men and women who own them. If more people would foster them, that would immediately saveTHOUSANDS of lives that have been effected by this war, right here in our own country!!! I firmly believe in saving the Iraqi dogs and cats, but it seems hypocritical for us to be going after people for not saving those animals when we haven't even saved the ones in our own country yet! This is one of the reasons WHY the Iraqi people hate us so much, because we go over there and try to tell them how to live, and control their country, but we don't even hold ourselves responsible for the same issue happening
 right here at home! I'm not trying to turn this into a political debate, but really, do we even have the right to complain when we can't even save our own animals here?! Think about it, and then go sign up at http://www.operationnoblefoster.org/! The lady that runs that organization is a great lady, she does purebred cat rescue, and is the main coordinator for the CFA purebred cats rescue network. Her name is Linda Mercer, and to prove how hard she works to save animals, here is her signature line from one of her emails, so you can see how dedicated she is:
Linda Pollack Mercer, M.D.President  Rescue CoordinatorCFA Purebred Rescue, Inc., http://cfapurebredrescue.org , DBA Purebred Cat Breed Rescue, http://PurebredCatBreedRescue.orgDirector, Operation Noble Foster, http://www.OperationNobleFoster.orgDirector/Facilitator, http://PurebredCatBreedRescue.orgDirector, http://PersianCatRescue.orgFounder  Volunteer, The Feline Rescue Network, http://www.FelineRescue.netModerator  Owner, The Persian Rescue Email list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Persian_RescuePhone (rescue emergencies only please): (888)303-9454 [toll free]Email: felinerescue @ felinerescue.net(remove the spaces)Alternate email: wishstar @ sbcglobal.net(remove the spaces)
Now, if we were ALL THAT dedicated to our own passions inanimal rescue (this group being mainly FELV cats, rather than Linda's purebreds),THEN we might have a leg to stand on when we complain about animal welfare in other countries!
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

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Re: Bramble (help guys, need advise)

2005-06-10 Thread Belinda Sauro


  Hi Michelle,
 I talked with my vet and asked her what she thought about what was 
going on with Bramble.  She asked if he had been tested for toxopsamosis 
(sp?), she said FIV+ cats can hace seizures related to this.  Has he 
been tested for toxopasmosis?  If not I would get that done,  it is 
reatable with antibiotics.  She said she had never heard of cats having 
seizures from calcivirus.  Also she said there was NO reason not to give 
seizure medication to a cat on interferon (either one, human or 
feline).  And she can't imagine why a vet would withhold the medication.


Here this is an article that describes what some of the symthoms can be, 
look under signs:

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/toxo.html

Here are many more about it:
http://www.vet.cornell.edu/search/query.idq?UserRestriction=toxoplasmosisCiMaxRecordsPerPage=10CiScope=%2FTemplateName=queryCiSort=rank%5Bd%5D

I hope you find out what is going on with Bramble soon, prayers coming 
to you both.


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Re: Angel Wings Sanctuary [Very Bad if True] (all sorts of contact info)

It's too bad she couldn't be forced to turn over the property, and then maybe instead of confiscating the cats money could be raised to clean up the property, build a 'barn' there and keep it as a decent sanctuary I think it did say she had put up cat fencing around the perimeter of the property, so the cats are fenced in.

tTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jenn You may be right...I don't think these are the same pictures I looked at...I don't remember the inside at all...As somebody else said...Is anybody livibg there or have they been abandoned??? I would think those inside pictures would be enough to show to a local official and with rescue onboard, cages in hand get a sherif escorted visit... The point is I guess...I don't believe in voting or writing letters etc. on something that I have to take somebody elses word on unless I know that person very well personaly...By those pictures they should be able to handel the problem localy...And even here in VT they have a very active feral program to support a number of cats that live outdoors through our -30 degree winter nights ..And for that matter..those happy ending nuns cats are moving to ski
 country in NY...They may have to deal with a bit colder weather next winter too...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




I did not mean to say you are doing nothing to save cats in general, I meant you are doing nothing in THIS case, sorry if I wasn't clear. I know you do alot in other cases.

They are ALREADY dying AT this place http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/deadinyard.jpg, so saying that you wont support the actions unless you are sure no death will come of it doesn't really make much sense (death is coming of it IF we do nothing).

You MUST not have looked at ALL of the photos Tad, the lush country side you speak of is a small consolation for the ones INSIDE in THIS: http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/floor.jpg
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/bagscoffeetable.jpg
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/kitchen.jpg
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/fecescat.jpg(look there, feces in the food)

And this is the lush countryside?
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/watersupply.jpg
http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/yard.jpg

This cat is DRINKING that water! http://angelwingsrescue.org/picsrescue/new/large/dump.jpg

The rescue that is working with Ms. Harvey (she's already turned over 6 cats voluntarily) is working very hard to be there when it all goes down, to try to save these cats from going intothe hands of the cityanimal control. Unlike you, I do not believe that it is humane to let cats fend for themselves with minimal shelter and food, they are domesticated animals, and I feel they require a clean and safe living enviroment to thrive. Even minimal shelter is questionable in this case, it must REEK of ammonia inside that trailer that serves as their "shelter"! Cats have very sensitive respiratory tracts, and being forced to find refuge in filth that reeks of ammonia is very bad for them.
Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 

~~~Jenn Please don't say I am doing nothingTrue..I am doing nothing on getting someone that may be doing a lot more than you are to save cats from be ing shut down I asked for the proof that these cats were sufferingThey may have a couple junk piles but that has little to do on how the cats are being cared for...In the lush country side shown in the pictures most cats could survive quit well on their own and just having some very minimul shelter and care is far better than being rounded up and pronounced too sick to save and being PTS the same day...No time to get any rescue in to save them unless like the nuns the rescue goes in with the sherif and does the seizure...There just isn't room for these cats to remain alive at an instance notice...I just don't think writing a bunch of letter to officials complaining is going to bring a happy ending to these
 catsOver and over again if you follow up a seizure most of the animals are PTS the same day And by the way..as far as doing nothing...Remember those 3 FeLV+ cats you were going to take from NJ if you could set up transportation...Well..It so happened that I had taken in an FeLV+ from a few miles away down there just a month before...The same transport that I used was readily still available and I was going to take the remaining 2 positives...Fortunately the hole mess was taken care of locally...Yes...In the last 6 months I have lost 3 cats...But I have taken in 2 seniors left at my vets office to be PTS becouse our local no kill shelter had no room for them...And we don't even have a big problem here in VT...Also The shelter called me and asked if I could take a beautiful long haired buff colored cat that had be brought in stray...His ears half gone from frost bite...and

RE: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NY/TONYA

2005-06-10 Thread Chris









I thought he was in Astoria, Queens near LaGuardia Airport.





Chris

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Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:32
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Please Help!! 2 17y
old healthy cats...NY/TONYA





I haven't sent any of the other ideas but I emailed
with an offer to take them - into FuRR (Feline Rescue and Rehome), my rescue
group - with me as the permanent foster. I usually take any really
elderly kitties we get in. Didn't notice where he is located but could
possibly arrange to fly to get.

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  Has anyone contacted this man
  via e-mail with this info  advice?
  
  
  Someone really
  should forward ALL info to him.
  
  
  Patti

Angel Wings...

2005-06-10 Thread anzajaguar




Please what is the post about Angel wings..most of the psots arent comeing 
on teh digest..please email me them privately..I have a cat who I helped get 
in there about a year ago now..her name was Lacy..she was "owned" by a rescue 
group here in Charlottethey finally got her in.I had a gift basket of 
donated stuff..toys food etc.that was to go with her..well they never took 
it...and then whenever I tried to contact Angel Wings about Lacy..to see how she 
was doing..I never got a reply..I even told them I had a gift basket made for 
her...and anyone who may adopt herbut they never replied I preobally send 25 
emails in 2 weeks...what is this that happened?

Lisa and the 
furbratsAkira, Indy, Spooky, Mona, Lancelot, Bowtie, Bennie and 
Anza

RE: OT - PETA question

I agree about charging the parents as well. People just need to be educated about their pets. They think they know all they need to know about dogs, cats, turtles, whatever and just go get one. I also heard (or read) that Ingrid Newkirk herself was attacked by a pit bull as a child and 'personally dislikes/hates/whatever the breed'. And I wonder if that effects her thoughts on singling out this one breed

tRachel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks for the info!

Personally, I am very fond of pits. Even though I have had a bad experience in the past with a specific breed, I do not believe all dogs of that breed are bad, evil, or should be killed.

another forward I think goes along with what we've been discussing.....