date:20060906




ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a 
health store and how much do i give?

RE: Spencer update

2006-09-06 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane




Nina, I am so sorry that Spencer is missing. I hope 
you find him, one way or another. (My Phoebe was a big hider all her 
life. When I first got her she went missing for 3 days in my messy 
apartment, which I turned upside down and concluded that somehow she must have 
slipped out.I finally found her by accident in the closet, lying 
along the coat hanger shoulders behind the rod, with a paw looped over it. 
Stubborn little thing hadn't even come out to eat or pee.)

I can't even imagine what you must be feeling now. 
Please keep us posted.

Diane R.


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RE: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread elizamaggie


Welcome! You will find a lot of very knowledgable people here. My two little girls are 10 months old and, according to conventional wisdom, shouldn't be here. My vet was surprised when I didn't want to euthanize them when they were diagnosed - one in May and the other in July, she had never had anyone who wanted to keep them. She is now very supportive and actually used my circumstances to talk another cat's owner into not euthanizing. My impression is that people think cats with FELV are suffering when that's not the case (unless, of course, they've picked up a virus or a disease that is causing them to suffer). I feed my girls a healthy diet, try to keep their lives pretty stress free and just let them be kittens. So far it's working. 

If I had the time I would go back and find out who in this group posted this first (I feel like quite the plagarist), but someone out there said that cats don't live for the future because they don't know what the future is. They don't know they are sick unless you fret and cry over them (which I certainly did at first!). They live for the moment and in the moment and whatever you can do to make that moment great is what matters most. Good luck to you and Crackers! I hope you live longhealthy lives together! 

Maggie

Re: Spencer update

2006-09-06 Thread Lernermichelle




Nina, he is probably hiding somewhere very close to the house. But he 
will probably also be hard to find if he does not want to be found.

Bruce is right, you know. I understand your franticness, and I would feel 
exactly the same way. But what you really did, objectively, was give 
Spencer the choice of going where he wanted to go. If he does pass 
outside, it may be the most peaceful way for him to go. It is what they 
want, really. 

Still, I hope you find him. Mostly for you, I guess. I will be 
thinking and praying for both of you.
Michelle

Re: vitamin c?

2006-09-06 Thread Kat

Hi Kayte,

Yes, you can get several different varieties of Vit C at the health food
store.  You can even find them at most pharmacies and even some
supermarkets now.  It's for people, and the doses listed on the bottles
are *generally* geared towards people weighing about 120 to 150 lbs - so
if your kitty only weighs 12-15 lbs, divide by 10.  Start on the low side
and work your way up slowly to tolerance - too much too fast will cause
diarrhea.

Also, as far as vets go - Terri (one of our listmembers) swears by
Dr. Emily Jarvis at the Carnegie Cat Clinic in Princeton, NJ.

Michelle is also on this list and says her mom uses Martinsville Animal
Clinic.  She completely loves one of the three vets there, the only woman,
Dr. Caille (pronounced kay-lee?).

And this link will give you the AAFP list of cat-specific vets in NJ
http://www.aafponline.org/find_results.php?name=city=Anystate=NJcountry=USAzipcode=Submit=Submit
(you can searh again with your zip code to narrow things down a bit)

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:50:47 EDT
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 Subject: vitamin c?

 ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a  health
 store and how much do i give?

Re: Lucy again

2006-09-06 Thread Lernermichelle





Thanks. Yes, I asked for Budesonide, but my local vet has never used it and 
will not give it to me. If I have to take her to the specialist that is on 
my list of things to ask for, but she is so god-awful in the car and gets so 
stressed out by it that I do not want to do the long car trip if not completely 
necessary.

I know 7.5 is not that high in terms of what they can tolerate, but it is 
pretty high for her to still relapse. She has never relapsed while on that much 
before. That is what worries me. 

Thanks again,
Michelle

In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
At 08:10 
  AM 9/5/2006, you wrote:Try to remember that cats tolerate Prednisone 
  so much better than dogs,and 7.5 is not that high, Have you asked for 
  Budesonide???It is a steroid that work on the GI system without systemic 
  effects,,,My IBD kitty has been on it,,,All good wishes and thoughts 
  to you and LucyKelly

Re: Spencer update

2006-09-06 Thread elizamaggie


Nina,
It's the not knowing that is the hardest part! I am so sorry you (and Spencer) are going through this. I feel like there is nothing I can do to make you feel better, but do I hope that knowing that we are all out here with our stomach's in knots for you and that we are there in spirit with you gives you a little peace of mind.

Maggie

Re: Lucy again

2006-09-06 Thread Lernermichelle





When they do leukeran, it is usually combined with pred. I don't 
think my local vet will ever prescribe leukeran for her. If it gets to that 
point, we will probably need to go to the specialist.
Thanks,
Michelle

In a message dated 9/5/2006 12:35:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hi Michelle,
  Good wishes going out for Lucy and you. I don't know about 
  leukeran, but if she is probably going to be on it eventually anyway, 
  andif your vet won't refill the Pred., maybe he will allow you to switch 
  toleuk. now without thescope and see how that 
  works?Hopefully she'll adjust to the slower taper and it won't be 
  an issue...
  
  Bestwishes,
  Beth

RE: i have never met people like you all

2006-09-06 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Title: Message




me 
too--agree with everything Barb says (I lost my last positives on July 6, 2005). 

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, for the sake of 
"newbies": my remaining positive re-tested negative this year, and the 
one other cat that was negative and unvaccinated but came with and 
lived in intimate contact with all the positives has remained negative. 

I have 
the strong impression it's been very instructive for my vet. Who hopefully will 
spread the word that FeLV is not as contagious, or hopeless,as many vets 
think.
Kerry



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On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 
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never met people like you all
Kayte,
that's exactly why I'm still here 8 years (this weekend) after losing my 
FeLV+ girl. This is the best group of people I've ever encountered and 
there are a number of lurkers and old time members who may or may not still have 
a positive kitty, but who remain on the list because the list has become family 
and if there's a possibility that our past experiences could help a newbie, 
we're here. I love these people with all my being!
barb[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  I have never met in my life people with more compassion then you 
  people...i have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and take care of sick 
  kitties...i have read every single post on here that it let me go back to and 
  the heart break you all have had and are dealing with is beyond words can 
  describe...yet you still console each other and offer advice to newbies like 
  me...may God look over all of you and you loved ones and your sweet "babies" 
  and THANK YOU so much..i barely know anything about these sickness but if you 
  EVER need to talk please hit me up [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: OT - Zack

   Well me personally, I'd rather be caged than dead, as long as your 
alive there is hope and a chance, not saying I'd like it but when your 
dead ..


Did you ever get my email about medication, it really is a very good 
choice for some cats, Cody being one.


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Re: crackers IFA was postive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread Kerry Roach

Hi, My Bandy is FIV and Felv +. He was tested last August, 2005 which confirmed IFA postive for both..He is doing better right now than he has in almost a year..Our worst problem for the last few months has been ringworm...He has had recurring high fevers coming on about every 8 days with only dex to bring it down..but we have now been since Aug. 5 without an elevated temp...keeping our fingers crossed for that to stay down..He has been on interferon daily since July, 2005 and many, many supplements..I have alternated lots of things in the past year..but have never failed to give him bovine colostrum in all his meals..or at least twice a day now..He has anterior uveitis which we treat now once daily with steroid drops as he was almost blind back in May..but his eye specialist is really pleased with his progress with that..I guess it is due to either the FIV or Felv or both, I don't know..I do know he was almost blind at one point and now he can
see. His pupils won't move though..they are stuck ( fixed ), but he can see. He is 6 yrs old and came to me in 2001 so I guess he was born with these diseases as he hasn't been outside since I took him in back in 2001. He had a urinary infection June, 2005 which is how all this came about cause we couldn't get it cleared up..He was on baytril for almost 10 months 1/2 dose..daily. Anyway, it is by no means a reason to give up on him..I have learned alot thru this group and you are right they are an incredible group of people... They also did many other tests on Bandy last year. sonogram and lots more blood work. He even took epogen for awhile cause his PCV was around 20..It is around 30 now and the anemia isn't causing him a problem right now..and that is what his internal med specialist said would be hisfate..If I can be of any help, please email me if you want.. Hope Cracker is doing good today,
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Re: i have never met people like you all

Thank you Kayte.  That's very sweet of you to say. 
I'm pretty fond of everyone here myself.

:)
Wendy

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 I have never met in my life people with more
 compassion then you people...i  
 have no idea how you find the energy to adopt and
 take care of sick 
 kitties...i  have read every single post on here
 that it let me go back to and the heart 
  break you all have had and are dealing with is
 beyond words can 
 describe...yet  you still console each other and
 offer advice to newbies like me...may God 
 look  over all of you and you loved ones and your
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Re: OT - Zack

I know cats have territorial issues, but I think at the very least Zack 
should have the option of changing his thinking or dying.  You could 
have a communicator talk to him.


I think cats should be allowed to be cats. Who am I to try to go 
against their very nature by trying to make them co-inhabit the same 
territory?


If cats were allowed to be cats, they wouldn't be domesticated, we made 
them that way and sometimes they have to learn things that are foreign 
to them in order to fit into the life we forced them to accept long, 
long ago.


Cody still sprays in the house, he is much better and has periods where 
it picks up, when him and Fred and KC have a issue going on.  For now I 
deal with it, but he knows if it gets to an unacceptable level, he will 
go back on the medication.  He tries and is much, much better than when 
he got here, and I don't fool myself thinking it will ever completely 
stop, but I know it is the way he is wired, that and how his early life 
went.  He knows the rules and how much I'll put up with, when I get to 
my breaking point he knows and he stops for a while.  He is better, 
because he does most of the time tolerate Joey, he didn't tolerate 
anyone before, but he tries to push Fred and Fred ain't having it.  KC 
puts him in line once in a while and he hates that, but him and Fred 
have the biggest issue, and it's not Fred always picking on him, they go 
back and forth.  When it gets unusually stressed between them he gets 
me, but he knows just how long to wait so for now we deal with it but he 
knows that can change at any moment.


I'm not saying any of this to be argumentative, I just can't agree and 
stay quiet about killing an animal because of a behavioral problem.


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Re: OT - Zack

  This is what Cody was getting kitty Prozac for, it worked very well.  
It is called Fluoxetine, we tried others first, Amitriptyline, there was 
another but I can't remember the name, they all worked to some extent, 
but the Fluoxetine was what finally completely stopped the spraying.



I never seem to be able to get in and out of the vet's office for 
under $100. Do you think it would eliminate the spraying issue too?


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Re: Inky update - Belinda

2006-09-06 Thread Kerry Roach

Hi,  Inky just doesn't seem to tolerate the fluids, and I don't really know why..He isn't retaining any fluid as he pees alot..He is drinking around 300 to 400cc a day. I am giving him chicken broth all he wants...I measure all the fluids so I don't think he will dehydrate as long as he keeps drinking like this...I do add some water to the broth, too..I don't know if he is even drinking plain water much. The broth bowl goes empty regularly though..If he stops drinking then I will have to get the sub-q's for sure..  I just know when he gets fluids, he feels really bad for about 10 to 12 hrs..I would rather see him eating and drinking on his own than going off all of it for that time period..Does that make any sense?? I do understand how important the fluids are when you were talking about the kidney damage. When his thyroid profile was done the other day, it was in the normal range, too..as he is on 1/4 tapazole now for
 hyper-t  He ate an entire can of chicken k/d yesterday and some grilled chicken breast.. I feed him french fries, too..strange as it may be it is a good way for me to give him his pills..He only weighs 5 lbs now..He has never been a large kitty always around 7.5.  I just don't know what to do other than keep a close eye on him to make sure he drinks enough..Let me know what you think about how much fluid he drinks.  Thanks again for your help,  Kerry, Bandy and Inky 
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Hey Cindy,

I am not sure if anyone answered this email or not. 
They might have thought it was regarding the other
Smokey and not even opened it.  I am not sure what
test is the most definitive, but if you repost and ask
with that in the subject line, I know you will get
some answers if you haven't already.  Did you already
have Smokey tested?  If so, how did it go and which
test did the vet use?  Did you have bloodwork done?  I
think unless he's sick, that you only need to do blood
work once a year.  And I'm not sure that everyone even
does it that often.  Hope this helps.

:)
Wendy

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 I had a few questions regarding my Smokey. I am
 taking
 him to the vet tomorrow to be retested for feline
 leukemia. He hasn't been tested since February. I
 have
 read about some of the different types of test.
 Which
 test is the best? He hasn't had a complete blood
 count
 done since March. Should I have another one done on
 him? He seems to be doing good right now. He is
 eating
 good and he is playing. I haven't been able to read
 alot of the post on the list lately because work has
 been very very hectic.  My boss had a heart attack
 so
 it has been very busy with him out.  He is doing
 better now.  To all of you that have lost your
 babies
 I am so sorry. All of you were so kind to me when my
 Stinky passed away and gave me great info. when
 Smokey
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 tell
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To Sherry Re: Pics of my boys

Sherry,

Your newest addition is just beautiful!!!

:)
Wendy

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Re: Kitty Prozac (was OT - Zack

2006-09-06 Thread Susan Hoffman

Peepers gets 5 mg of prozac daily. Emailed this infoo to Phaeryn off-list but wanted to share it with the group. We stopped ordering the prozac through my vet and started ordering online. I buy the generic 20 mg tablets and cut into quarters. This gives me a 400 day supply for $42.Go to http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=prozacbysearch=ok I have ordered various meds from this web site without a prescription on multiple ocassions and they are very very reliable. Takes 10-14 days to get your order though because they are based in Thailand.BTW, Fluoxetine is simply the generic name for Prozac. Kitty prozac and people prozac is the same medication. Only the dosage is different.And, uh, it does seem to work for
spraying and inappropriate urination (the center of my bed on a daily basis is the height of "inappropriate"). I have a one-year old foster boy, neutered but with strong alpha tendencies, who started peeing on my bed and my roommate's clothes when the last group of foster kittens arrived. Last night was day three of his prozac andknock on wood...all is good.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what Cody was getting kitty Prozac for, it worked very well. It is called Fluoxetine, we tried others first, Amitriptyline, there was another but I can't remember the name, they all worked to some extent, but the Fluoxetine was what finally completely stopped the spraying. I never seem to be able to get in and out of the vet's office for under $100. Do you think it would eliminate the
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Re: Inky update - Belinda


   Hi Kerry,
  Keep an eye on how much he is peeing, Fred pees ALOT and that's 
another reason I have to give him the additional fluids, he also drinks 
pretty good and I add water to his food.  He is barely concentrating his 
urine, not good, so he really needs the fluids.  I do know there is a 
cat on the CRF list that reacted like Inky is, feeling worse after the 
fluids, she (kitties Mom) just wrote yesterday to say after about a week 
and a half they are seeing a difference and their cats is acting more 
normal and doesn't feel bad anymore after fluids.


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Re: Spencer update

2006-09-06 Thread Leslie

Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad, Spencer has found the energy to communicate directly and compassionately to you. If there is one thing that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to know life in a way that is much simpler and purer than we can. You have been open to his desires and loving to his needs and passionate about leading him where you believe that he wants to go. Now, with the strength from who knows where, he is again leading. Don't stop looking, but be gentle and understanding in your efforts. 


I often look back at situations and am baffled by something that I said/did, or didn't say/do, that was really out of character. I reflect on how there was a little voice saying, this is weird, or the absence of the little voice that would normally be speaking, but the outcome, couldn't have happened unless I acted as I had. I feel in these circumstances that these are the times that something greater has stepped in. Mitichlorians (from Star Wars - the force), God, fate, chance, I don't know the word for it, but it happens. Something that even in ourselves can not be explained as to why we did something, I believe to have been influenced by something larger.


You were open to Spencer communicating with you. Nina, she of continual words of love and advice and understanding to us, he has.

I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh. I am crying now writing it to you, I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let them go. You have helped me so much through my recent time of pain, I just want to send the biggest hug through the computer to you, put my hands on your shoulders and just let you know that you have not acted for a second in any way that wasn't the kindest, most loving, and compassionatetowards Spencer, nor are you nowin your tears and your searching, and to let you know that he knows that. You took him to the vet for momentary pain to make things better, he would never put you through momentary pain either unless it was to eventually make things better. He would NEVER want you to feel guilt for letting him choose what to do next.


It's true, you don't know what is happening with him, but on a deeper level, you do know. And you know that whatever occurs, he is with you and he is okay. He is stronger than we are and he is thanking you for everything. And we don't know what will happen. A quiet place also means healing. The vet wasn't able to determine what was happening in him. Maybe Spencer knows and knows that he needs to be alone for a while to heal. I have heard of this happening. Every time I've gone to force feed one of mine, I think of a story that a friend told me of a cat she owned decades ago that didn't eat for 5 days. This was before everyone knew to force feed. Her cat secluded herself, ran a fever, didn't eat until she came out of the fast, the fever broken, and started to chow down. Even in a situation that we know that we know, before we were so certain, life still acted as it will.


Don't lose faith in your friend, and don't lose faith in yourself.
I hope that all is well with you both. Strong mitichlorian thoughts in your direction.

Leslie

Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:21:53 -0700From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Spencer updateTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowedI have awful news.Spencer has gone missing.It's completely my fault,I don't know what I was thinking.I left for appointments this morning
and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and cats.I've beendoing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very sick, I know that catscan decide to find a quiet place to pass on their own, yet I left the
door open.In the six months that Spencer has been with us he rarelygoes outside and when he does it's to keep me company in the yard.Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a puppy.I can only fearthe worst.I talked with a couple of ACs and they said that he was
looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in very short supplyaround this madhouse.I've been combing the bushes and going throughthe neighbor's yards all day.If he's still moving, if he wants to, I'm
praying that he'll come home.It even went through my mind to shut himup before I left this morning, but I didn't think he'd be moving off hisbed much and I don't know, I didn't really process this thought, but I
didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either.He's been so goodthrough his illness.The vets last night kept commenting about howsweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him.I just wanted to let you all know.I can't think of a punishment graver
than not knowing what happened to him.I'm doing my best to not thinkof this in terms of punishment at all, just what is.It's too late toclose the barn door now.I've gone through the frantic mode of finding
him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm feeling really numb.When I

To Nina re Spencer

Nina,

I am so sorry to hear that Spencer is missing.  Have
you been able to find him yet?  I know you probably
feel terrible right now for him.  If you go outside
and just sit down and talk to him, he's probably so
close, he'll be able to hear you.  I hope you are able
to find him.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have awful news.  Spencer has gone missing.  It's
 completely my fault, 
 I don't know what I was thinking.  I left for
 appointments this morning 
 and deliberately left the door open for the dogs and
 cats.  I've been 
 doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very
 sick, I know that cats 
 can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their
 own, yet I left the 
 door open.  In the six months that Spencer has been
 with us he rarely 
 goes outside and when he does it's to keep me
 company in the yard.  
 Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a
 puppy.  I can only fear 
 the worst.  I talked with a couple of ACs and they
 said that he was 
 looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in
 very short supply 
 around this madhouse.  I've been combing the bushes
 and going through 
 the neighbor's yards all day.  If he's still moving,
 if he wants to, I'm 
 praying that he'll come home.  It even went through
 my mind to shut him 
 up before I left this morning, but I didn't think
 he'd be moving off his 
 bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process
 this thought, but I 
 didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. 
 He's been so good 
 through his illness.  The vets last night kept
 commenting about how 
 sweet he was, I just hated to force anything on him.
 
 
 I just wanted to let you all know.  I can't think of
 a punishment graver 
 than not knowing what happened to him.  I'm doing my
 best to not think 
 of this in terms of punishment at all, just what is.
  It's too late to 
 close the barn door now.  I've gone through the
 frantic mode of finding 
 him gone, been crying as I search, right now I'm
 feeling really numb.  
 When I called Bruce at work to tell him, he asked me
 why I would want to 
 have forced him to die in the house with us if
 that's not what he 
 wanted.  I could only come up with selfish answers
 for that one.  The 
 hardest part of all this is that I may never know. 
 I'm still praying 
 that he walks in the door.
 
 Feeling repentant and very very sad,
 Nina
 
 
 


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Re: Spencer update

Oh Nina,

I am so sorry you are in such pain. I am sure that Spencer would not want that. 

Hugs to you.

To Leslie Re: Spencer update

Very well said Leslie.  Nina can't help but feel
better after reading this post.

Mitichlorian thought to you too, whatever those are. 
hehe.
:)
Wendy

--- Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad,
 Spencer has found the energy
 to communicate directly and compassionately to you. 
 If there is one thing
 that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to
 know life in a way that is
 much simpler and purer than we can.  You have been
 open to his desires and
 loving to his needs and passionate about leading him
 where you believe that
 he wants to go.  Now, with the strength from who
 knows where, he is again
 leading.  Don't stop looking, but be gentle and
 understanding in your
 efforts.
 
 I often look back at situations and am baffled by
 something that I said/did,
 or didn't say/do, that was really out of character. 
 I reflect on how there
 was a little voice saying, this is weird, or the
 absence of the little
 voice that would normally be speaking, but the
 outcome, couldn't have
 happened unless I acted as I had.  I feel in these
 circumstances that these
 are the times that something greater has stepped in.
  Mitichlorians (from
 Star Wars - the force), God, fate, chance, I don't
 know the word for it,
 but it happens.  Something that even in ourselves
 can not be explained as to
 why we did something, I believe to have been
 influenced by something larger.
 
 You were open to Spencer communicating with you. 
 Nina, she of continual
 words of love and advice and understanding to us, he
 has.
 
 I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh.  I am crying
 now writing it to you,
 I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to
 be selfish and wanting to
 be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let
 them go.  You have helped
 me so much through my recent time of pain, I just
 want to send the biggest
 hug through the computer to you, put my hands on
 your shoulders and just let
 you know that you have not acted for a second in any
 way that wasn't the
 kindest, most loving, and compassionate towards
 Spencer, nor are you now in
 your tears and your searching, and to let you know
 that he knows that.  You
 took him to the vet for momentary pain to make
 things better, he would never
 put you through momentary pain either unless it was
 to eventually make
 things better.  He would NEVER want you to feel
 guilt for letting him choose
 what to do next.
 
 It's true, you don't know what is happening with
 him, but on a deeper level,
 you do know.  And you know that whatever occurs, he
 is with you and he is
 okay.  He is stronger than we are and he is thanking
 you for everything.
 And we don't know what will happen.  A quiet place
 also means healing.  The
 vet wasn't able to determine what was happening in
 him.  Maybe Spencer knows
 and knows that he needs to be alone for a while to
 heal.  I have heard of
 this happening.  Every time I've gone to force feed
 one of mine, I think of
 a story that a friend told me of a cat she owned
 decades ago that didn't eat
 for 5 days.  This was before everyone knew to
 force feed.  Her cat
 secluded herself, ran a fever, didn't eat until she
 came out of the fast,
 the fever broken, and started to chow down.  Even in
 a situation that we
 know that we know, before we were so certain, life
 still acted as it will.
 
 Don't lose faith in your friend, and don't lose
 faith in yourself.
 
 I hope that all is well with you both.  Strong
 mitichlorian thoughts in your
 direction.
 
 Leslie
 
 
  Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:21:53 -0700
  From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Spencer update
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
 format=flowed
 
  I have awful news.  Spencer has gone missing. 
 It's completely my fault,
  I don't know what I was thinking.  I left for
 appointments this morning
  and deliberately left the door open for the dogs
 and cats.  I've been
  doing this forever, but I knew Spencer was very
 sick, I know that cats
  can decide to find a quiet place to pass on their
 own, yet I left the
  door open.  In the six months that Spencer has
 been with us he rarely
  goes outside and when he does it's to keep me
 company in the yard.
  Whenever I call to him, he comes running like a
 puppy.  I can only fear
  the worst.  I talked with a couple of ACs and they
 said that he was
  looking for quiet and solitude, things that are in
 very short supply
  around this madhouse.  I've been combing the
 bushes and going through
  the neighbor's yards all day.  If he's still
 moving, if he wants to, I'm
  praying that he'll come home.  It even went
 through my mind to shut him
  up before I left this morning, but I didn't think
 he'd be moving off his
  bed much and I don't know, I didn't really process
 this thought, but I
  didn't want him to feel like a prisoner either. 
 He's been so good
  through his illness.  The vets last night kept

OT- Strange kitty behavior

My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. 

She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd).

She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night.

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Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread Barb Moermond

are they nibbles? have you tried to redirect her attention with scritching or brushing? how old is she? My Bandit used to ALWAYS curl up on my lap in my nightshirt when I was using the facilities - he doesn't as much these days, but hey, you're a captive audience when there.Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd).She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night.   Does anyone know why she might
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are they nibbles? have you tried to redirect her attention with scritching or brushing? how old is she? My Bandit used to ALWAYS curl up on my lap in my nightshirt when I was using the facilities - he doesn't as much these days, but hey, you're a captive audience when there.



She's turning a year this month. Strange thing is she never used to do this. I haven't tried brushing her but I'm trying to go to sleep. Yes, they are nibbles..she's so cute:)



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Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread Leslie

Kayte,
My first FeLV+ cat was also the first cat that I ever owned on my own. I'd grown up with all sorts of critters, but it took a few years after graduating college to finally get in a situation where I could own my first all mine pet. I'd been wanting this cat forever.

I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant. I L-O-V-E-D that cat. The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative. One month after having her home, she was very lethargic. I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met. This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices. The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner. He made me feel like the whole situation was my fault. He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more. Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault, I was a mess. He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing). I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully. Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had maybe a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah, blah, I was again distraught. The next week, against the back drop of her romping around and talking to herself, chasing bits of dust, knocking things over (her favorite was to knock my glass of water onto me at night), trying to escape, I called everyone that I knew hysterically telling them that my cat was dying. The vet said so.

Eventually, emotionally spent. I hung up the phone, slumped down against the wall and lethargically, tearfully gazed over at her across the room. Making eye contact, she marched over and placed a World Cup worthy head butt against my pathetic forehead. I giggled.

And I realized that I was being a dumass. Maybe she had this disease. Maybe she was dying, but who of us isn't? She wasn't dead, and I was wasting time being a melodramatic human. So instead of focusing on how she was going to die, I focused on how she was going to live. I didn't have any support, but I found a raw feeding list and, though I didn't switch to raw for a while, I started researching the feline diet. And I put her on a better food. And I moved into the city and found a good vet. I took her in for check-ups and loved the heck out of that cat until she passed two years after I'd adopted her of a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Yes, my life infarcted at that point, and I still miss my sweet marshmallow-y friend, who would lay on my arm at night and purr, and gaze into my eyes like she was proud of me. But she'd led me to another positive cat to adopt, Hepburn. And Hepburn led me to Satchmo that I have today (also positive). And Sushi, after all, after all that that jerk vet said, never did deterioriate. Never did succomb to the leukemia.

I owned Hep for 2 1/2 years, she did die of FIP, which was probably leukemia related, but I'd gotten her as an older kitten, so even there, she was on the high end of her life expectency and she, too, was an amazing, happy, healthy cat until the end.

Satch I've had for two years now, I adopted him at 5 years old, so we don't know when he was exposed to the virus, but he's the biggest, stompiest guy you'll ever have the pleasure of meeting, and other than being susceptible to URI's (which as long as I don't bring home sick kittens that already have URI's) hasn't been any problem. I have high hopes for him going a very long time. And I'm thinking of adopting him a friend - either a positive kitten or a negative adult cat - once he stops coughing.

I know that this has been long, and work is piling up, but I just wanted to tell you my story. Let you know that I understand what you're feeling, but take your cues from Crackers. Is he laying around in dirty pajamas, watching Ricki Lake, stumbling amongst empty Chinese take out cartons, wondering why me? This is a terrible illness, but not one that is powerful enough to take the good times away while they are here.

Get a new vet. Pinpoint when Crackers was exposed. What happened to Pokemon? Was she positive? Put Crackers on a good diet - there are lots to choose from ranging from Max Cat to raw feeding - expensive doesn't always mean good, nor does the fact of it being sold out of a vet's office. Do some reading about which ingredients should be there and which shouldn't. A lot of people supplement, again anywhere from Vitamin C to ImmunoReglin. There is no one path to follow, just make sure that you and Crackers are happy on the one that

Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread tamara stickler

Toward the end of Quintapus' life, he would regularly wake me up every 2-3 hrs. with a head butt...just to say "hi"I got used to it and eventually learned to go back to sleep rather quickly.The bathroom audienceyou are "still" there, so as far as she's concerned, its QUALITY TIME.As for the nipps...kitty kisses...just tell her softly.."stop" or "no"..or give her a little knuckle rub (kitty nuggies) between the ears and she'll prob. go lay back down.Good luck.  Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when
 I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd).She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night.   Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous  Stay in the know. Pulse on the new
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Re: Spencer update

2006-09-06 Thread Nina

Thank you Leslie and everyone that has been sending kind thoughts and 
posts.  You're right Wendy, Leslie's email has made me feel better.  
It's so very comforting to know that others understand and are 
compassionate about what we're going through.  Spencer has not come home 
and I haven't been able to find him.  I am making peace with the fact 
that I am no longer leader in his care and my sorrow is somewhat 
lessened believing that this was his choice.  It hasn't stopped me from 
stirring from my bed several times last night to walk quietly outside 
and call to him.  I'm still asking my other animals if they know where 
he is.  A couple of them seem to be telling me he's not coming back.  
There was a moment yesterday morning before I left that passed between 
Spencer and I, something in his eyes that seemed to be saying goodbye, 
or please, it wasn't clear, but it was powerful.  I shook it off because 
I wanted to remain optimistic and because I didn't know what to do with 
the feeling.  Maybe, as Leslie so eloquently describes, I did know.  
Maybe that's why I left that door open.  I have no idea how many times 
I've written or told others that we of a different species don't view 
things the same way as our fur children, that they have a different 
perception of the world, different needs to fulfill.  So much easier to 
say, even easier to know, then to feel.  This is the very first time 
that an animal has chosen to physically separate themselves from my 
presence when they are in such a precarious state.  It is very difficult 
to bear, but the thought of him having what he needs, the quiet and 
solitude that I couldn't give him, does help ease the pain a little.  
One of the ACs described the spot he found for himself...  Shady with 
plants, green, mossy and cool, she said he was breathing in the oxygen 
from the plants and feeling very peaceful.  She described the area 
enough for me to imagine he could be talking about my immediate 
neighbor's yard.  She said it had a zen-like feeling and that there was 
only one person that lived in the house.  You better believe I've 
searched high and low in that yard.  I've often commented to the older 
lady that lives there, (alone btw), what a good feeling her yard has, 
calm and serene. 

No matter how long my time on this earth is, I'll never stop being 
grateful to my fur friends for the lessons they provide.I will also 
never understand why the most important lessons are so often accompanied 
by tears.  One of the feelings among the many that are coursing through 
me right now is gratitude.  Gratitude with tears.  Maybe that should be 
the name of the book of essays I finally put together in order to share 
my journey with others.


Thank you once again for letting me ramble.  Thank you for always being 
there. 
With much love and appreciation,

Nina

Leslie wrote:

Ah Nina, please do not feel repentant or sad, Spencer has found the 
energy to communicate directly and compassionately to you.  If there 
is one thing that we can not lose it is faith in these cats to know 
life in a way that is much simpler and purer than we can.  You have 
been open to his desires and loving to his needs and passionate about 
leading him where you believe that he wants to go.  Now, with the 
strength from who knows where, he is again leading.  Don't stop 
looking, but be gentle and understanding in your efforts. 
 
I often look back at situations and am baffled by something that I 
said/did, or didn't say/do, that was really out of character.  I 
reflect on how there was a little voice saying, this is weird, or 
the absence of the little voice that would normally be speaking, but 
the outcome, couldn't have happened unless I acted as I had.  I feel 
in these circumstances that these are the times that something greater 
has stepped in.  Mitichlorians (from Star Wars - the force), God, 
fate, chance, I don't know the word for it, but it happens.  Something 
that even in ourselves can not be explained as to why we did 
something, I believe to have been influenced by something larger.
 
You were open to Spencer communicating with you.  Nina, she of 
continual words of love and advice and understanding to us, he has.
 
I so hope that this doesn't seem harsh.  I am crying now writing it to 
you, I am all on board with fist shaking and wanting to be selfish and 
wanting to be selfish and wanting to be selfish and not let them go.  
You have helped me so much through my recent time of pain, I just want 
to send the biggest hug through the computer to you, put my hands on 
your shoulders and just let you know that you have not acted for a 
second in any way that wasn't the kindest, most loving, and 
compassionate towards Spencer, nor are you now in your tears and your 
searching, and to let you know that he knows that.  You took him to 
the vet for momentary pain to make things better, he would never put 
you through momentary pain either unless it was to eventually make

Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior


On 9/6/06, Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could figure this one out.


Chris



I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it.



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Re: Immuno regulin

2006-09-06 Thread cindy reasoner

Smokey was running high fevers.  I think the highest
was around 106 or 107.  I was having to take him to
the vet every 2 or 3 days which he hated.  The vet
would keep him overnight to get his fever down which
he hated.  This was before we knew he was positive. 
They tested him again and this time he was positive. 
I ended up changing vets for Smokey and the new vet is
the one that started him on the equistim back in
March.  So far he hasn't had anymore fevers.  I think
we are going to cut him back even more.  We are going
to try a shot every other week and see how he does.  I
am a little nervous about doing it.

Cindy

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did you start the immunoregulin because he WAS
 asymptomatic and now he's better?

   tonya
 
 cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   We first started Smokey on 2 shots per week subq.
 He
 is now on 1 shot per week subq. I am not sure about
 the dosage. I can look when I get home though. The
 vet fixes the shots up for me and I keep them in the
 refrigerator.
 
 Cindy
 
 --- Susan Loesch 
 wrote:
 
  Cindy, are you doing subQ shots or is the vet
 doing
  IV? What is the protocol? I have seen .2cc every
  day for 4 days, then .2cc once a week for 4 weeks,
  then .2cc monthly. Have also seen .4cc once a day
  for 4 days, .4cc once a week for 4 weeks and .4cc
  every 4 months. I have a feleuk baby I want to
  start on immunoregulin but can't settle on a
  protocol. Thanks. Susan
  
  cindy reasoner wrote: I
  have had good results so far with immuno-regulin. 
  The vet started my Smokey on shots several months
  back. He is positive and kept on getting fevers.
 He
  hasn't had a fever since March. Smokey started
  gaining
  weight and right now he seems to be doing really
  good.
  I keep my fingers crossed this will continue.
  
  Cindy 
  
  --- kelly wrote:
  
   I have not been here for years,,,I have a new
  kitten
   8 mos,,Pos on 
   the ELISA, ( FELV) ,no IFA yet, He is sort of
   visiting, Male..He will 
   be going with a new famly hopefully shortly but
 I
  am
   interested in 
   getting him started on some immune boosters, My
  vet
   said that they 
   have stopped the clinical trials on Immuno
 Regulin
   because there were 
   no documented benefits,,,
   I had used Alpha Interferon many years ago but
  that
   did not help.
   Anyone with opinions I would appreciate,
   Thanks
   Kelly
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RE: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane




Maybe you just taste good. ;-) I know a lot of the 
affection I get from my chest fungus (she sits high), Missy, is because of skin 
salt...

Diane R.


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SaveikaSent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 1:19 PMTo: 
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behavior

On 9/6/06, Chris 
Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote: 

  
  
  When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting 
  thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has stopped. 
  The vet suggested he was doing it because he was insecure. It made 
  sense. As to your other problem, one of my first kitties was that 
  way. He always had to follow me into the bathroom. No one could 
  figure this one out. 
  
  Chris
  


I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I 
love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks 
old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it.

  
  
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Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread cindy reasoner

I would call around and try to find a vet that has or
is treating other cats with the virus.  I had to
change vets with my cat Smokey because the vet I had
been using for 15 years didn't seem to want to treat
him.  I don't know alot about the virus as Smokey is
the first cat I have had that was positive.  The new
vet has told me that it is possible for a cat to fight
off the virus.  It may be a low percentage but there
is a chance.  I just had Smokey retested after 7
months unfortunatley he was still positive.  Is
Crackers sick now?  Is that why you had Crackers
tested?

Cindy

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 after i called the vet over 20 times he finally
 answered and said yes  
 crackers IFA is positivei asked him can he throw
 the virus...the vet said no  
 the IFA confirms he is full blown luekemia...i said
 what should i do,...he said  
 there is nothing to do...my baby crackers is 5yrs
 old and has never been sick 
  ever with anything and I WONT GIVE UP!!!...i cant
 believe this vet..MAKE 
 THAT MY  EX VET...i am looking for another vet and
 will not go back to him...ok 
 you  wonderful people are my guardians..i will do
 anything suggested..money is 
 not a  factor when it comes to my baby...i will do
 anything please respond 
 please is  this IFA final or should i retest?
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Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.


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I am located in new jersey..south jersey..when i first found pokemon she was skinny but showed no sick symptoms at all...she had a pink collar on and was so friendly and her fur very long was clean and she smelled so good...she was hungry and in a few months plumped up but still was small...i posted her on the web as a found cat..and checked the newspaper for lost cats she had 8 toes on each foot and i couldn't find the owner...after a while she became part of our family...loved to play and purr and she loved water and LOVED to eat...i was so naive..now my stomach is in knots because i blame myself for cracker sickness...my vet x vet is terrible basically says to throw in the towel but i cant..he told me i am just in denial and there is nothing to do...he didn't mention anything about blood test to count cells or anything...i have read every post on here im thinking about sending it to him the fool


I wish you had found us before Pokemon was PTS, but please, please find a better vet. 

I live in Texas but perhaps someone can recommend one in your area?

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Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread elizamaggie

Leslie,
You made me spit out my Diet Coke! I often wonder if they are sitting at home with their paws propped up on my coffee table, if they are it's not out of self pity, it's more out of feeling entitled. I suspect they are more into Oprah then Ricki, but you never know.
You have a great attitude!
Maggie
-- Original message -- From: Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I found Sushi at a shelter, she was 2 years old and demanded that I take her home that very instant. I L-O-V-E-D that cat. The shelter had tested for leukemia and FIV before I adopted her and she'd tested negative. One month after having her home, she was very lethargic. I ran with her in a carrier to a vet that I'd seen near my apartment, but I'd never met. This was New York City (Queens), so not having a car, and not wanting to subject a cat to a subway ride, I was pretty limited in my vet choices. The vet was an ass. He had no bedside manner. He made me feel like the whole situation was my fault. He'd HAVE to rehydrate, he'd HAVE to do bloodwork, he'd HAVE to keep her during the day - like I wasn't going to be paying him for his efforts. I was in tears, which didn't make him respect me any more. Quite frankly, he scared the hell out of me, and as it's all of our deepest fears that it really IS our fault
, I was a mess. He retested her for FeLV+ (she'd been rescued from a house full of cats, so may have been exposed close to rescue and the first testing). I took her home as she'd perked back up, the fluids really helped, and she rebounded fully. Despite this, when he called to tell me that she was positive and anemic and had "maybe" a month to live, told me to expect to see rapid deterioration, blah, blah, blah, I was again distraught. The next week, against the back drop of her romping around and talking to herself, chasing bits of dust, knocking things over (her favorite was to knock my glass of water onto me at night), trying to escape, I called everyone that I knew hysterically telling them that my cat was dying. The vet said so.

And I realized that I was being a dumass. Maybe she had this disease. Maybe she was dying, but who of us isn't? She wasn't dead, and I was wasting time being a melodramatic human. So instead of focusing on how she was going to die, I focused on how she was going to live. I didn't have any support, but I found a raw feeding list and, though I didn't switch to raw for a while, I started researching the feline diet. And I put her on a better food. And I moved into the city and found a good vet. I took her in for check-ups and loved the heck out of that cat until she passed two years after I'd adopted her of a heart attack (myocardial infarction). Yes, my life infarcted at that point, and I still miss my sweet marshmallow-y friend, who would lay on my arm at night and purr, and gaze into my eyes like she was proud of me. But she'd led me to another positive cat to adopt, Hepburn. And Hepburn led me to Satchmo that I
have today (also positive). And Sushi, after all, after all that that jerk vet said, never did deterioriate. Never did succomb to the leukemia.

I know that this has been long, and work is piling up, but I just wanted to tell you my story. Let you know that I understand what you're feeling, but take your cues from Crackers. Is he laying around in dirty pajamas, watching Ricki Lake, stumbling amongst empty Chinese take out cartons, wondering "why me?" This is a terrible illness, but not one that is powerful enough to take the good times away while they are here.

Get a new vet. Pinpoint when Crackers was exposed. What happened to Pokemon? Was she positive? Put Crackers on a good diet - there are lots

What our cats do when we're not at home (was: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

2006-09-06 Thread Kat

Hi All,

I received this from another list I'm on. It's nearly 3 mins. long --
video clip of cat and commode. Thought you might enjoy it.

http://pagentsprogress.com/?p=281

Kat (Mew Jersey)
On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:50:20 +
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.

 Leslie,
 You made me spit out my Diet Coke! I often wonder if they are sitting at home 
 with their paws propped up on my coffee table, if they are it's not out of 
 self pity, it's more out of feeling entitled. I suspect they are more into 
 Oprah then Ricki, but you never know.
  You have a great attitude!
 Maggie

Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread Chris Behnke




Have you had her 'fixed'? If not, that could 
be the problem. Or is she nuzzling on your face and she kneads her 
paws?I have another girl that started nuzzling about 1 year after her twin 
brother passed away.

Chris

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  Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 2:19 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT- Strange kitty 
  behavior
  
  On 9/6/06, Chris 
  Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  


When we brought Bruiser home, he did the biting 
thing. He has been with us a year now and the biting has 
stopped. The vet suggested he was doing it because he was 
insecure. It made sense. As to your other problem, one of my 
first kitties was that way. He always had to follow me into the 
bathroom. No one could figure this one out. 

Chris

  
  
  I really hope my baby girl is not insecure. I tell her how much I 
  love her every single day. She's been with me since she was 9 weeks 
  old. Now I feel bad, I hope that is not it.
  


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Re: Lucy again



At 07:09 AM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

Most vets have access to current medication and Budesonide is used by
many these days, Perhaps if you take her /him in the literature he will
use it, 
Kelly

Thanks. Yes, I
asked for Budesonide, but my local vet has never used it and will not
give it to me. If I have to take her to the specialist that is on
my list of things to ask for, but she is so god-awful in the car and gets
so stressed out by it that I do not want to do the long car trip if not
completely necessary.

I know 7.5 is not that high in terms of what they can tolerate, but it is
pretty high for her to still relapse. She has never relapsed while on
that much before. That is what worries me. 

Thanks again,
Michelle

In a message dated 9/5/2006 11:42:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


At 08:10 AM 9/5/2006, you wrote:

Try to remember that cats tolerate Prednisone so much better than


dogs,and 7.5 is not that high, Have you asked for Budesonide???It


is a steroid that work on the GI system without systemic effects,,,My


IBD kitty has been on it,,,

All good wishes and thoughts to you and Lucy

Kelly



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Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...

2006-09-06 Thread Marylyn

My vets do that, including my alternative vet.  Most of the time they 
enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge.  They are the greatest.  The kennel I left 
my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...



My vet sent one when Cricket died.  All the vet techs
signed it, and he did too.  It made me feel good.

:)
Wendy

--- kandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken
Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away
after she tested positive.  I had spent weeks
looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to
try this one, when she became ill and needed to be
seen last week.

  I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets
office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel.  I
had to share the bad news and tell her  I had lost
Angel.  Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence
card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that
was nice.  I mean, how many vets take the time to do
that?

  It was very comforting to me.


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Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...

2006-09-06 Thread Susan Hoffman

The most incredible tear-jerker came for me more than a year ago. A foster kitten had to be euthanized because of wet FIP. I received a card from my vet's office. They had made a donation in her name. (I'm tearing up right now. Gotta stop that. I'm at work.) Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PMSubject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail
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   Buddie my liver cancer kitty was getting SAMe for her liver and and 
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for long because she was a problem piller and SAMe isn't suppose to be 
cut up.  She did get milk thistle which I could put through her feeding 
tube.


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Re: OT - Zack (explanation of my situation)




Well his OWNERS were going to kill him JUST for being FIV+, before I 
offered his LAST CHANCE to come here to join the FERAL colony OUTSIDE. I am 
happy to try the medication, a list member (bless you!) is sending me a trial of 
her cat's prozac to try on Zack, if it works, great, but I can't guarantee I'll 
be able to afford it long term. I WELCOME DONATIONS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP. 
I am getting custody of my VERY troubled son on the 18th, and he requires 
therapy, prescription drugs, counseling, special education, and constant 
supervision (he is 12, has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old, severe ADD, 
behavior issues, is under the care of a psychiatrist, and is failing miserably 
in school). I have no insurance, and may not qualify for state coverage for my 
son due to my income (and I work about 50 hours a week, so where I will find the 
time for this is beyond me - adding to my stress). I may have to QUIT one of my 
jobs in order to qualify for state assistance, and have enough time to raise my 
son. I can find the time to pill Zack every day (somehow), the problem is 
affording the medication. I still owe about $1400 for the last 5 year's income 
taxes, I have to pay $650 rent every month, and we ALL have to eat. The check 
engine light keeps coming on in my car, I just had to buy tires ($194), as the 
olds ones were unsafe, and my registration ($80) is due by the end of the month. 
I have to BUILD a wall to create a bedroom so all household members will have 
some extent of privacy. That's estimated at about $150.I still don't have 
a BED for my son to sleep on. If anyone would be willing to SPONSOR Zack, I 
would be very happy to put him on medication that might help his aggression. If 
I do NOT find a cure for him, TWELVE or more OTHER cats may FREEZE to DEATH this 
winter, as Zack will not allow them to access the insulated shelter. Personally, 
I think it's more responsible to euthanize ONE cat HUMANELY than to let TWELVE 
others FREEZE to death. That is where I am at. I can't afford to put another cat 
on an expensive prescription drug at this time (Mythic's is already $35 a 
month). Normally, in this situation, I would get offline, and work MORE, like 60 
hours a week, and catch up, but I NEED to be home with my son now, so I'm 
totally lost as to how I'm going to accomplish all of this. The only reason I'm 
on here tonight is because my boss from my second job called me at dinner time 
and asked me to NOT come into work tonight.
Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Zack (amitriptyline - belinda)




Amitriptyline!? Really, what was the cat dosage for that? I get that 
already for myself, and it's only $9.00 a 30 day bottle! I wonder if that MIGHT 
help Zack's aggression? I could afford that...
Phaewryn

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sorry my spelling sux!!
Kelly

Re: crackers IFA was positive need help a.s.a.p.




FYI Leslie, FIP is totally unrelated to FELV, so Hepburn didn't succumb to 
the FELV either. :)

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/resources/brochure/fip.html
"Is FIP related to feline leukemia? FIP 
and feline leukemia are caused by different viruses. Some cats that have FIP may 
also be infected by the feline leukemia virus, but the diseases are two separate 
entities."
Phaewryn

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Re: Spencer update




Very well written, Nina. Peace to you.
Phaewryn

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Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior




My Tigger "pinches" me all the time now (this is a relatively new thing). 
He takes a little fold of my skin in between his front teeth (the little front 
teeth, not the fangs), and he slowly bites down, just enough so that my reflex 
makes me jerk away and go "OUCH!". If I don't jerk away, he will "hold" that 
pinch of my skin in his mouth until I pry him off. It's cute... it hurts a 
little, but it's cute. I love him to pieces! Doobie, on the other hand, always 
follows me into the bathroom, but he's just out for the toilet paper, not really 
interested in me so much as the "yummy yummy delicacy" he sees toilet papers as. 
Most of them used to follow me in there at times, because the sink is right next 
to the toilet, and I'd turn the water on for them to drink out of it while I was 
sitting there, but now the bathtub has a leak and runs constantly, so the 
novelty has worn off. I wouldn't worry, it's pretty normal kitty behavior. Cat's 
habits change and evolve as they mature.
Phaewryn

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Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior




"Chest Fungus"... LOL! We call it the "Furry Tumor" or (in the case of 
Tigger sitting backwards up on my shoulder), the "One Eyed Parrot".
Phaewryn

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i dont have your email..it says protected...thank you for info..please 
email me im on aol same name
kayte

sherry babies pix




im lost for words...ur babies are BEAUTIFUL :)

this is crackers history for those who asked





Ok now after some sleep I can tell you better my story. About last Oct. we 
found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink collor on and was so tame and 
lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing an excellent thing bringing 
her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it any other way. She seemed to 
gain weight when she got here. She was small so i thought she was still a kitten 
about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon started "coughing" she got into 
the basement and had insulation on her nose. So when the coughing was still 
going on but not as bad I thought she must have sniffed some insulation. Last 
Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard breathing and she was always so 
skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went down into the basment i live in a 
triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on a shelf. I rushed her to my local 
animal hospital and they told me that she needed emergency care...so we drove to 
unniversity of penn animal emergency hospital. They took her right in. I was 
thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont even have mice here. Well finally after 
getting half assed answers and them saying it could be this or that...she told 
me that Pokemon had an abundancy of fluided in her lungs and finally was told 
that she had lyphomia and that they estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old 
based on teeth and kidney size. To do the full tests and amit her to the ICU 
unit would be between $6000-$8000 estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And 
they were so kind to let us have 5 mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this 
lyphomia could have been from Feline Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may 
have been affected. Now my mind was shot. I decided to euthanize her when they 
said she was so sick that they also believed she had this for awhile and was 
little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I 
immediately called my vet to get Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That 
was Tuesday and today is Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment 
the dr said looks like he will be negative for both but we still have about 2 
mins. Well he said oh we do have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book 
and said feline luekemia. The dot that registared was a little very lite blue 
dot. I told him to send out the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun 
morning and with the holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very 
Healthy and strong. I asked him over and over being in shock if there were false 
positives and he said that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of 
Crackers history: he is my big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no 
colds nothing and he only had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very 
loving and happy..has never been outside except when he would run out and i was 
right after him. That he grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food 
and fresh water 24-7 for him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER 
boy he loves to purr and be rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for 
him and i will. I am open to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is 
that the 1st month pokemon came they would fight and he did have a bite mark 
that bleed..he is all white. So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for 
her. What kills me is how dense I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. 
She was beautiful and so sweet I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and 
never brought her near my baby. I will never be able to forgive myself for 
Cracker being a positive Feline Leukemia

new vet




ok guys i am getting more calm and still trying to absorb all of this...its 
been a full day that i found out IFA was positive...i called one of the links 
kat from mew jersey send and vet is gonna call tomorrow...an all cat vet thanks 
Kat!!! Crackers is still symptom free and is getting more spolied then i thought 
was posible...Leslie you were right...I have to enjoy every second with crackers 
i can...im gonna get some new food and see if he will try it...i working on it 
guys...THANKS

Re: sherry babies pix

2006-09-06 Thread Sherry DeHaan

Thank you so much,they have helped me heal from losing Maizee.Although I still miss her very much and still have my missing her moments even after almost 10 months.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  im lost for words...ur babies are BEAUTIFUL :) 
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RE: more questions

2006-09-06 Thread Chris










I dont think you
could make his life any more stress free! He sounds like hes got
all he needs and more. When you think stress, think about strays who are
outside or cats who just dont have the kind of home you have given
Crackers Sometimes cats gets stressed going to vet but they sort
of get over it. I do have one guy, Romeo, who was a stray before I
brought him in that gets incredibly wild when he has to go to vet. Hes
around 5 or 6, never been sick  is FELV+. I have brought him to vet
3 times in two years because he needs to be sedated for vet to examine
him. So, hes not sickhe eats wesleeps where he wants
and hes stress free!



I try to give my 2 pos supplements,
Vitamin C, some vitamins, etc. but they dont always take it too easily
so Im not too consistent about it. One is 18 lbs and the other is
close behind in weight. My Tucson has had a couple of episodes where he
white blood count went down real low- I knew something was up when she wouldnt
eat. Most of the time, you can see something in their behavior that lets
you know they dont feel well. When she was first diagnosed, Id
run her off to the vet everytime she sneezed! Well, I settled down and
now she goes only if she manages to hurt herself (shes a real clutz!) or
she stops eating. Doesnt happen very often! 



Basically, you have a new vet. Let
him take a look at Crackers and dont think that hes suddenly
going to get sick! Just treat him the same way you did before he got
testedthats the best medicine in the world!





Chris

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Subject: more questions





sorry
for all the questions but now that my shock is wearing off im absorbingall
of this...ok i know we have to keep our cats stress free...how exactly does a
cat get stress...my cat eats and sleeps and get rubs and plays with his mouse
but that's it...he really dont have any stress that i know of...right now
crackers isnt showing signs of anything...should i still start him on the
things you guys have mentioned or do i wait till a symptom occurs...please dont
think im stupid but how can u tell if a cat has a fever? crackers has never
been sick with anything so im stumped do they feel warm? 





kayte





ps im
on aol same name if anyone wants to email me please do i cant email anyone from
this link it says email protected

Pokemon

2006-09-06 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt




Kayte, in all this rush about Crackers, I haven't taken time to 
say how very sorry I am that Pokemon had to go to the Bridge. Taking her 
in was an act of kindness, and I wish she had been able to stay with you 
longer. I'm sorry she bit Crackers, because if she hadn't, you wouldn't be 
having this worry about whether she gave him FelV (unless your idiot vet had 
some more bullsh*t to tell you about how contagious it is). Try to 
remember her as the sweet beautiful girl you took in and loved instead of as the 
cause of all this, which she may not actually be. As others have 
mentioned, it seems there was no conclusive proof that she had FeLV, just lung 
fluid which may have been lymphoma. While lymphoma is often brought on in 
the course of FeLV, it can happen all by itself.

Anyway, gentlest of Bridge vibes to Pokemon.

Diane R.

To: Marylyn

2006-09-06 Thread kandbz_ mom

Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. KarenMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.If you have men who will exclude any of God's creaturesfrom the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men whowill deal likewise with their fellow man.St. Francis- Original Message - From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PMSubject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... My vet sent one when Cricket died.
All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to
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Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread ETrent





My Shakiti was feral originally. It took months to be able to pet him 
at all...I've told the story about how he came to live in the house 
before. He is still very leery of people...but whenever I am in the 
bathroom,he begs for me to pick him up. I scoop him up and hold him 
on his back in my arms like a baby and tell him how wonderful he is. He 
looks at me so adoringly anddoes 'blinky eyes' at me...leans his head on 
my arm and drools like a baby. He would go to sleep if given half a chance 
lol. For some reason he just feels safe in there - won't get in my lap any 
other time. It took a long time to earn his trust and I wouldn't trade 
that for anything...even if I neverdohave a moment's privacy 
lol.

Tiffy gives me little love bites - usually when I am petting her. I 
really think it is a sign of affection for some cats. It's very different 
from an 'upset' bite...you can tell they are just barely biting with those tiny 
teeth and trying to be careful. It's so sweet.

elizabeth

Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread Chris Behnke




My Monty is that way to. When he was 9 months 
old, he was very sick and we had to keep him in the bathroom away from the other 
cats. He is now 3 years old and still loves the bathroom. He follows 
me in there and purrs really loud and bumps his head against me for 
kisses. It's funny that he does this with me but runs if my husband goes 
in there! Another cat, Kaylee, is the same way. She is a very shy 
cat but once you take her into the bathroom, she becomes an obnoxious and 
demanding cat. She purrs really loud and will growl when you stop petting 
her. She also was kept in the bathroom when she was sick. 


Chris

p.s. I have 13 cats

Re: To: Marylyn



At 08:31 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:
Here is one link to the Rainbow Bridge

http://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm

Is the copy of Rainbow
Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. 

Karen
Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they


enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I
left 

my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world.




If you have men who will 

exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of 

compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with 

their fellow man.

St. 

Francis

- Original Message - 

From: wendy 

To: 

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM

Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to...


 My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs

 signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good.



 :)

 Wendy



 --- kandbz_ mom wrote:



 As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken

 Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away

 after she tested positive. I had spent weeks

 looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to

 try this one, when she became ill and needed to be

 seen last week.



 I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets

 office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I

 had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost

 Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence

 card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that

 was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do

 that?



 It was very comforting to me.





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I'm glad you're sitting down - Spencer

2006-09-06 Thread Nina

You people are not going to believe this.  Spencer has come home!  I 
can't believe it myself.  He sauntered up while I was putting food out 
for the ferals.  For a second, I thought he was an apparition.  I had to 
blink hard, he just seemed to be saying, hi Mom, like it was any other 
day.  He looked so good, so bright and ALIVE!  I ushered him inside and 
he took a big long drink of water.  I was thinking of what Leslie said 
about her friend, I was thinking about miracles.  When I came back from 
making his bed he was sprawled out on his side on the kitchen floor.  I 
guess he must of used up a lot of his limited energy to make it home.  
His only movement was that rapid breathing.  All the other animals were 
hovering around him, sniffing him, nosing him, I don't think they can 
believe it either. 

I've gone through so many emotional contortions since yesterday 
afternoon.  I had finally resolved myself to the fact that he probably 
wasn't coming back, and here he is.  He's resting in the front room on 
his bed, at least the dogs aren't allowed in there.  Last time I looked, 
there were four cats lying close by, seemingly keeping him company.


I don't know if I wrote the group about this...  The vet that was on ER 
duty when I brought Spence in called with the report from the 
radiologist today.  He suspects lymphoma, possibly a mass, possibly an 
enlarged heart.  I asked them, (at the time I didn't think he was coming 
back), if they would be able to prescribe something that would possibly 
put him into remission, or at the very least make him more comfortable.  
She told me that since the lymph node aspirate they attempted hadn't 
been successful, they would have to do more tests.  I'm loath to put him 
through another horrendous vet visit in his condition.  Tomorrow morning 
I'm going to call an Internist that I've used before, one I trust, and 
beg her to help me.  There must be something I can do without having to 
put him through another vet visit. 

I'm so relieved to have him home.  Whatever is to be, we'll face it 
together.

Nina

Re: To: Kelly

2006-09-06 Thread kandbz_ mom

Kelly,Thanks so much for posting that for me!Karenkelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:31 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:Here is one link to the Rainbow Bridgehttp://rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm Is the copy of Rainbow Bridge a picture or a poem? I would love to see it. KarenMarylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:My vets do that, including my alternative vet. Most of the time they enclose a copy of Rainbow Bridge. They are the greatest. The kennel I left my dogs at sent flowers when Allie Beagle left this world. If you have men who
will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "wendy" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:30 PM Subject: Re: The vet I had taken Angel to... My vet sent one when Cricket died. All the vet techs signed it, and he did too. It made me feel good. :) Wendy --- kandbz_ mom wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and
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