Re: spaying
If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
RE: spaying
Good for Snowy! Putting a job on him when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
One caution: consider refusing all vaccinations and other stressors near the time she is spayed. Having everything done at once is convenient for us and for the cat but, if there are problems, can overwhelm the little one. If you have a homeopathic vet around you might consider seeing what could reduce the shock of surgery too. On Jun 22, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Good for Snowy! “Putting a job on him” when he called her a bad kitty. Personally, I am always pro spay/neuter and it would take a very unusual circumstance for me not to have an animal of mine fixed. They end up with so much less stress when they are altered. Sue From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: spaying If you do, consider having a vet who uses laser or its equivalent do it. There is supposed to be less bleeding and less stress. I am not saying spay or not, but check this out. On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the
Re: spaying
One more thought: consider starting her on colostrum and leaving her on it for a good period after her recovery. It has wonderful abilities to aid in repair and recovery. On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
By that I mean I had it compounded too ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
I used flouxetine with Cody for about 6 months, we never had that problem. I sounds like it probably tastes awful and he is foaming when he gets a taste of it. Have her put it in a pill pocket or gel capsule and I think that would solve it. It worked very well with Cody also. Stopped immediately too. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
I use pet health pharmacy out of Arizona. You might contact them and ask. I would doubt any common meds like that would be compounded, but could be wrong. http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/medications.htm On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Different drugs have different absorbtion rates. We could not do transdermal prozac wth Peepers because we could not tailor the dose reliabily when given through the skin. If your vet prescribed a certain med, ask the vet at thaty time if transdermal is an option. Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro wrote: From: Belinda Sauro Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Any med can be compounded. It has nothing to do about the medication. It's just how it is delivered. Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use pet health pharmacy out of Arizona. You might contact them and ask. I would doubt any common meds like that would be compounded, but could be wrong. http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/medications.htm On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: OT - sorta
Kelley My thought is as long as the owners can give him basic care, good nutrition, and keep him inside then that is all I would do for him. One never knows how long they will have their beloved pet. All we can do is love them. I sometimes think my own stress was not good for Junior. If his owners are not worrying about every little thing he may do well. If he needs abx and yall can help with tha, I think that would be a good thing. Best of luck for this kitty and your new venture. Sally On 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
and i'm told that, for compounded oral meds, three-fishie flavor is the very best. a bengal friend swore by it, and he was on cardiac meds for 7 years. hated the tuna, tho. MC On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any med can be compounded. It has nothing to do about the medication. It's just how it is delivered. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I use pet health pharmacy out of Arizona. You might contact them and ask. I would doubt any common meds like that would be compounded, but could be wrong. http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/medications.htm On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine go to my blog for updates: if you don't have the address, then you're not supposed to. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: OT - sorta
Hi Sally, So far he has not been sick. He was not kept inside in the past (and I pray we don't start finding FELV+ kittens) but they are going to keep him inside from now on. He is an adult so he has a decent chance to throw the virus. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley My thought is as long as the owners can give him basic care, good nutrition, and keep him inside then that is all I would do for him. One never knows how long they will have their beloved pet. All we can do is love them. I sometimes think my own stress was not good for Junior. If his owners are not worrying about every little thing he may do well. If he needs abx and yall can help with tha, I think that would be a good thing. Best of luck for this kitty and your new venture. Sally On 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, The off-topic part: We are trying to think of catchy names for our new service where we take the pets of low-income people for basic vet care (I.e. spay/neuter, rabies shot, etc). The on topic part of this: as some of you read, one of the kitties we had neutered through this program turned out double pos. So my question is: How far should we really go with this cat? He has a home, the owners cannot afford special care for him, I'm not sure it makes any difference if he is really + or not. We got the other cat in the household vaccinated and boostered. The problem is that the more we do for any individual cat, the less we can do for other cats. As a nonprofit we can get a discount on SNAP tests, but not (that I know of) IFA tests. I wish we could do everything for every cat, but clearly we can't do that... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soulmate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac
Missy gets triple fish, and it is s much cheaper than the local compounding pharmacy, even allowing for shipping costs. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:38 PM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and i'm told that, for compounded oral meds, three-fishie flavor is the very best. a bengal friend swore by it, and he was on cardiac meds for 7 years. hated the tuna, tho. MC On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any med can be compounded. It has nothing to do about the medication. It's just how it is delivered. *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I use pet health pharmacy out of Arizona. You might contact them and ask. I would doubt any common meds like that would be compounded, but could be wrong. http://www.pethealthpharmacy.com/medications.htm On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, can other drugs be made into creams to be used in the ear? I have a 24 pound foster cat with a bad URI, and he had to spend a week at the vet (at a cost of over $300) because I absolutely could not give him oral meds. Can this be done with Clavamox or Baytril? Laura --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: looking for advice re kitty prozac To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:58 PM That is also what I did with Cody, we started with the most commonly used of the drugs (amytriptaline), we tried 2 or 3 before trying the prozac, they all helped but only the prozac stopped it completely. I tried amytriptaline (that's probably spelled wrong!) on Ruben for inappropriate urination.I now believe that it was his first signs that something was wrong with him internally My daughter used the same drug (we had it compounded into a cream we could rub into the ear...pilling was out of the question) on one of her male cats...her cat became more calm, but I'm not sure it completely solved the problem. I have heard people are having great results with the plug ins that release certain pheremones that are calming, but I haven't tried them yet myself. Good luck, it's one of a cat owner's biggest problems!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine go to my blog for updates: if you don't have the address, then you're not supposed to. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying - BE CAREFUL ABOUT PERSIANS!
Just want to repeat this, folks - BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT SPAYING PERSIANS! Small airways, more risk of death. As I understand this is a Persian! Check with the vet first - and check the vet out - make sure they've spayed Persians before, know what they're doing, will intubate, etc. Don't let just any vet spay a Persian. I lost a kitty this way. See the article below. Gloria --- On Jun 22, 2008, at 7:46 AM, Gloria Lane wrote: Does she have an outbreak of Herpes right now? If so, wait on the spay because of that. Many cats have been exposed to and carry the Herpes virus - but is she has an outbreak, that's different - you might just want to get her on some Lysine , and make sure she's in good shape before any surgery. And if she's Persian, I'd wait. If Persian, she probably also has Persian eyes, meaning some drainage and staining below her eyes which is typical of the breed, because of the smallness in the flat facial area. I've just gotten real cautious about Persians. I'd probably let her get a little older anyhow. Cats that have had kittens get spayed all the time, that's not a concern. BUT Persian cats require special attention re surgery. They have small airways, and some people prefer intubating them for surgery rather than just using anesthesia alone. When they're out or groggy from anesthesia, the tissue in the throat can cover the airway and they can die if they're not watched carefully, and seems like many vets/vet techs don't know that. I've had that happen. Another thing is that Persians may have different sensitivities to anesthesia than other cats, so make sure the vet is sensitive to Persian issues. One link is here, with a quote: == http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/canesthesia.html Ketamine causes hypertension during anesthetic recovery and it is possible that the detrimental effects attributed to ketamine may be due primarily to cases of undiagnosed cardiomyopathy in cats undergoing anesthetic procedures. These cats would be especially sensitive to hypertension and the increase in blood pressure induced by ketamine is supposed to be pretty significant in some cats. If this theory is correct it may make sense that Persians are more sensitive to ketamine than other cat breeds since cardiomyopathy is supposed to be a problem in the breed. Another potential problem with Persians and ketamine is that many vets using ketamine anesthesia (included me when procedures are short) do not routinely intubate cats to provide a patent airway since they are not anticipating having to use gas anesthesia. In pets with short noses, both cats and dogs, intubation during any anesthetic procedure is best since these pets can develop airway obstructions much more easily than longer nosed pets. I think almost all vets do intubate pets when they are doing dental procedures other than very simple extractions, though. == Hope this is helpful. Gloria On Jun 21, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Lynne wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
