[Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Lorrie, I am so sorry for your heart ache. Is there any time for a blood transfusion? When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass. I wish you the very best!! I am so sorry! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11
I have a question - not sure how to submit it. I have 2 cats who are feline leukemia positive. From outward appearances, they look and basically act healthy. One of them has started having a dilated pupil - it is not constant but it has been occuring a lot lately. She will also start panting and breathing heavy - I have central air and keep it on all the time.The last time she did this, it was actually very cool in her room. The other one had seizures one day several months ago - that was the one and only time that occured. But several months ago, his 3rd eyelid (on both eyes) started staying out. He can still see but not too well. Is there anything I need to do or is this just part of the disease? There are no other symptoms for either one of them at this time. Claire ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11
they should have eye exams to rule out ocular pressure problems etc, but my Ninja had weird uneven dilation issues that didn't seem to have any cause or underlying health problem, just funny eyes Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Claire Smith sassybean...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:29:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 I have a question - not sure how to submit it. I have 2 cats who are feline leukemia positive. From outward appearances, they look and basically act healthy. One of them has started having a dilated pupil - it is not constant but it has been occuring a lot lately. She will also start panting and breathing heavy - I have central air and keep it on all the time.The last time she did this, it was actually very cool in her room. The other one had seizures one day several months ago - that was the one and only time that occured. But several months ago, his 3rd eyelid (on both eyes) started staying out. He can still see but not too well. Is there anything I need to do or is this just part of the disease? There are no other symptoms for either one of them at this time. Claire ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Hello Lorrie, I am so sorry. I have been in your situation one three occasions. The first time I did nothing. I let her stop eating, as force feeding in this situation seems only to bother them and prolong their suffering. She lived for approximately two weeks after she stopped eating. She would take only a little water. Everyday I watched her get weaker and slowly disengage herself from me and the world around her. The last two days were difficult, her breathing pattern was altered, she was confused and wandered and would meow for no apparent reason. This is likely secondary to altered electrolye status and poorly functioning liver. She died at night, when noone was around. Probably a cardiac arrhthymia. She was not necessarily in pain, but it was a prolonged period of atypical behavior that is difficult to read. Certainly, however, her breathing was labored at the end. The second time I tried a blood transfusion. This was stressful on her, but after about a week of intensive care she improved and did well for about three months. When the anemia returned, I found myself in this position for the third time. I decided to not put her through a transfusion again - it was stressful, involving lots of medication and at times forced feeding. I let her be until she admittently refused to eat or drink. I waited another few days as she wasn't in any pain but when her behavior changed and her breathing become labored I put her down. I had to take her to the emergency clinic to do it and I regret that. I highly recommend doing it where she is familiar. Given my experiences, I would put her down somewhere between when she stops eating and when she develops signs of distress (labored breathing, altered mental status, clumsy walking, any sign of distress you can identify). With that said though, I would really try to find a vet that will come to the shelter. In my opinion it is well worth searching for a vet who would do it. I would also ask about sedating them prior to the injection. I am so sorry for your position and do not envy you you're current decision. May God bless you and good luck. Jenny On 8/11/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
it sounds as if your little one is doing what so many FeLVs do, just fading away. often they seem to be alert and aware of their surroundings, and in no distress, nor in any great hurry to leave--they just slowly sort of disappear it's usually a quiet, gentle passage, and whenever possible (ie, when there IS no distress or signs of suffering), i try to let them stay at home, surrounded by family and friends, keeping them warm and comfortable, and journey on from there. i give fluids and food as long as they will accept them, and i try to be with them when they go if that's something they seem to take comfort in (ferals and strays often do NOT consider that a calming thing.) my answer would be to know my vets' after-hours arrangements in case something goes wrong (massive convulsions, or some other clear sign of distress), and otherwise just plan on surrounding her with love and light and warmth and family. far too many humans these days leave the world without that you can also speak with the cat, and listen with your heart: ask her to tell you if she needs your help in crossing. they usually don't -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP left this world on their own. If I ever have the opportunity to let one leave this way I will. I will not let one suffer but I will (try) not to impose my own pian on their bodies. Put yourself in the little one's place and see what you would want. Both my girls hated the vets. My decision and theirs was right for them. Permit them a cool place as well as a warm place. Kitty and Ebony wanted to be cool. I don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't matter. Blessings to you for carrying. You are cared for in return. On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote: Lorrie, I am so sorry for your heart ache. Is there any time for a blood transfusion? When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass. I wish you the very best!! I am so sorry! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Belinda
Belinda, Thanks for your reply. You are the only one who did. I sincerely appreciate it. I realize that some cats are more difficult to pill that others. Thank God I have conditioned my kids to take their meds. Granted some do resist, but they have learned that if they do not take their meds, they did not get their wet cat food. Once they realize that, they eventually warm up to the idea. They REALLY want their wet cat food; therefore, the sacrifice is worth the reward. And that is EXACTLY they way I play it off. I reward them with their wet cat food for taking their meds. I call it praise, they call it treats! However, you cannot just spontaneously start pilling a cat, especially if it is an older generic cat who has never been pilled before. You need to slowing introduce the producer to them, otherwise you will risk stressing out the cat and possibly scarring them for life. If pilling the cat becomes a frightening experience for them, they will definitely remember that and the you will most likely never be able to pill them again. I introduced my pilling method to the kids when they were very young; therefore, they have grown up with the idea of being pilled. However, for those who were permanently adopted into our multi-cat household in their later years had to slow warm up to the understanding of being pilled. For these cats, effective pilling was not an immediate over-night success. It took time and loving patience. Cats can be trained, thus the idea of the litter box, therefore, they can be trained to accept pilled medication without fear, stress or discomfort just as long as the pet-guardian realized to take the efforts in stride. Do everything on the cats terms. Never force them. If they refuse their medication, withhold the treat. Do not starve the cat as punishment for not taking their medicating. Instead, withhold their FAVORITE food item. Offer THAT when introducing the pill. They will being to socialize that particular treat with medication and will quickly realize that it is ONLY offered when medication is administered. Cats are extremely quick-minded and fast learners. Eventually they will put two and two together. After the treat method has been completely successful, the pet-guardian can do the bait and switch method with the treat. Gradually ween the cat from its favorite treat to their favorite flavor of wet cat food. Eventually, the pet-guardian will be administering the proper medication during actual meal-time instead of during treat-time. However, if the bait and switch method never successfully works out, and with some cats it won't as most generic cats hate food and/or environmental change, just simply bite the bullet and stick with the treat/med method. Use what works best for your cat. Remember you want the cat to LIKE being pilled; therefore, if the cat is happy with the reward he/she will be happy to be pilled. Belinda, regarding Fred with his potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus, would that not cause him to be prone to developing Struvite crystals (magnesium, ammonium, phosphate)? I did not know this about cranberries. What is D-Mannose? I have also read that a dietary supplement called D,L-methionine may be used to alter urinary pH. And a dietary supplement called Cosequin® (containing glucosamine) is advocated by some practitioners to reduce pain and inflammation in the bladders of cats with FLUTD. http://drbarchas.com/flutd Do you know anything about this? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Lora, I don't have an positives left, Bailey was my last and I lost him in 2006. I do however have a furkid with HCM and one with CRF a heart murmur. I do know that taurine and CoQ-10 are good for the heart and lysine is good over all for the immune system. My cats aren't great about getting pills, so I only give them what they absolutely need. Joey get benazapril and amlodipine for his HCM. Fred gets the same for his high blood pressure and heart murmur, plus he gets potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus. All 5 of mine, get a vit b shots once a week too. I can get away with giving them that because that is an injection, not a pill. The only thing I probably wouldn't use is the cranberry. According to the CRF site that I read for answers when Fred is am having problems. This is not a vets site only a person who has been for many years collecting info and who has many years of experience with CRF. Not only her experiences but a CRF group with over 1200 members and another CRF group she is a member of with over 11,000 members, I am a member of both groups. This site is an accumulation of all those years and members experiences. This is a quote from that site about cranberry: *_Cranberry_* You should avoid giving cranberry or food containing cranberry to CRF cats - it is too acidic for CRF cats,
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Lorrie, I'm so sorry she has reached this stage. Of the three positives I've lost this yr. one was from anemia. CJ was in distress that last day and I did take him to the vet to have him PTS. Each kitty is unique so don't know if my experience is relevant to your situation. I'm in the process of losing Mattie now. She has lesions on her spine and has lost the use of her back legs. The paralysis is spreading and she is now not able to have a bowel movement. I know I'll have to make the trip to the vet in the next day or two and dread it. She isn't in pain which actually makes it harder to make that final trip. Sending hugs your way. Sharyl Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11
When Charlotte began to decline, one of my first clues that something was amiss was her heavy breathing. My vet said that this was a result of severe anemia. Even though she had a blood transfusion and seemed to become more alert and comfortable during her last month, the heavy breathing remained until the end. --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Claire Smith sassybean...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Claire Smith sassybean...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 14, Issue 11 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 4:29 PM I have a question - not sure how to submit it. I have 2 cats who are feline leukemia positive. From outward appearances, they look and basically act healthy. One of them has started having a dilated pupil - it is not constant but it has been occuring a lot lately. She will also start panting and breathing heavy - I have central air and keep it on all the time.The last time she did this, it was actually very cool in her room. The other one had seizures one day several months ago - that was the one and only time that occured. But several months ago, his 3rd eyelid (on both eyes) started staying out. He can still see but not too well. Is there anything I need to do or is this just part of the disease? There are no other symptoms for either one of them at this time. Claire ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Colostrum?
Colostrum?! As in first milk or immune milk? What has that got to do with anything? --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: Have you looked at colostrum? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
Lorrie, I am so sorry to hear about your little kitty. I was in the same position about a year ago. My darling FeLV+ kitty Buzz was anemic and slowly going down hill. He had stopped eating and I was carrying him to his litter box and upstairs to sleep next to me every night. One morning when I carried him down to his litter box he just sat there and swayed. I decided that it was probably time and made the appointment to put him to sleep. When the time came to go to the vets he used the last bit of strength he had to fight going into the carrier. That horrible moment will live with me forever. I so wish that I had stopped right there and canceled the appointment. Poor Buzzy hated going to the vets as most cats do and I made his last moments miserable. Even though I held him close while they did it, it will never make up for his fear. If ever I am in that position again I will wait and not chose to euthanize unless I know for sure the cat is in pain. Sue - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Belinda
Have you looked at colostrum On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Lora wrote: Belinda, Thanks for your reply. You are the only one who did. I sincerely appreciate it. I realize that some cats are more difficult to pill that others. Thank God I have conditioned my kids to take their meds. Granted some do resist, but they have learned that if they do not take their meds, they did not get their wet cat food. Once they realize that, they eventually warm up to the idea. They REALLY want their wet cat food; therefore, the sacrifice is worth the reward. And that is EXACTLY they way I play it off. I reward them with their wet cat food for taking their meds. I call it praise, they call it treats! However, you cannot just spontaneously start pilling a cat, especially if it is an older generic cat who has never been pilled before. You need to slowing introduce the producer to them, otherwise you will risk stressing out the cat and possibly scarring them for life. If pilling the cat becomes a frightening experience for them, they will definitely remember that and the you will most likely never be able to pill them again. I introduced my pilling method to the kids when they were very young; therefore, they have grown up with the idea of being pilled. However, for those who were permanently adopted into our multi-cat household in their later years had to slow warm up to the understanding of being pilled. For these cats, effective pilling was not an immediate over-night success. It took time and loving patience. Cats can be trained, thus the idea of the litter box, therefore, they can be trained to accept pilled medication without fear, stress or discomfort just as long as the pet-guardian realized to take the efforts in stride. Do everything on the cats terms. Never force them. If they refuse their medication, withhold the treat. Do not starve the cat as punishment for not taking their medicating. Instead, withhold their FAVORITE food item. Offer THAT when introducing the pill. They will being to socialize that particular treat with medication and will quickly realize that it is ONLY offered when medication is administered. Cats are extremely quick-minded and fast learners. Eventually they will put two and two together. After the treat method has been completely successful, the pet- guardian can do the bait and switch method with the treat. Gradually ween the cat from its favorite treat to their favorite flavor of wet cat food. Eventually, the pet-guardian will be administering the proper medication during actual meal-time instead of during treat-time. However, if the bait and switch method never successfully works out, and with some cats it won't as most generic cats hate food and/or environmental change, just simply bite the bullet and stick with the treat/med method. Use what works best for your cat. Remember you want the cat to LIKE being pilled; therefore, if the cat is happy with the reward he/she will be happy to be pilled. Belinda, regarding Fred with his potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus, would that not cause him to be prone to developing Struvite crystals (magnesium, ammonium, phosphate)? I did not know this about cranberries. What is D-Mannose? I have also read that a dietary supplement called D,L-methionine may be used to alter urinary pH. And a dietary supplement called Cosequin® (containing glucosamine) is advocated by some practitioners to reduce pain and inflammation in the bladders of cats with FLUTD. http://drbarchas.com/flutd Do you know anything about this? --- On Sun, 8/9/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: Lora, I don't have an positives left, Bailey was my last and I lost him in 2006. I do however have a furkid with HCM and one with CRF a heart murmur. I do know that taurine and CoQ-10 are good for the heart and lysine is good over all for the immune system. My cats aren't great about getting pills, so I only give them what they absolutely need. Joey get benazapril and amlodipine for his HCM. Fred gets the same for his high blood pressure and heart murmur, plus he gets potassium supplements and phosphorus binders in his food for his high phosphorus. All 5 of mine, get a vit b shots once a week too. I can get away with giving them that because that is an injection, not a pill. The only thing I probably wouldn't use is the cranberry. According to the CRF site that I read for answers when Fred is am having problems. This is not a vets site only a person who has been for many years collecting info and who has many years of experience with CRF. Not only her experiences but a CRF group with over 1200 members and another CRF group she is a member of with over 11,000 members, I am a member of both groups. This site is an accumulation of all those years and members experiences. This
Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
I BELIEVE WHEN THE TIME TO GO IS HERE,one goes. I won't kill any cat. If she isn't in pain let her go when her time is here,and being with you couldn't be better. I've been through itCathy --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 5:46 PM Both the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP left this world on their own. If I ever have the opportunity to let one leave this way I will. I will not let one suffer but I will (try) not to impose my own pian on their bodies. Put yourself in the little one's place and see what you would want. Both my girls hated the vets. My decision and theirs was right for them. Permit them a cool place as well as a warm place. Kitty and Ebony wanted to be cool. I don't know what the explaination is and it really doesn't matter. Blessings to you for carrying. You are cared for in return. On Aug 11, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Christy Buchin wrote: Lorrie, I am so sorry for your heart ache. Is there any time for a blood transfusion? When I had asked my family vet about anemia, (my cat was down to a HCT of 9 at one point), he said they become very lethargic and just get tired and weak and eventually pass. I wish you the very best!! I am so sorry! Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:02:50 -0400 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision Dear Friends, I have a difficult decision to make, and I hope you can help... I have several FelV cats at a shelter I have in town. Most remain in good health by all appearances, however one 8 year old female has been steadily losing weight, she is now very anemic; extremely emaciatedm and she stopped eating two days ago. She will still lick a bit of baby food from my fingers, and she is still drinking water, but this is all. I know she is probably going to die soon, but I want her to die in familiar surroundings where she is loved, rather than having to make a trip to the vet which is always terrifying for cats. The vets here will not come out to see or euthanize a sick cat. This cat does not appear to be in any pain. She has no tumors, nor neurogical symptoms, but I know she will soon die from the anemia. I do not believe in extending the life of a cat who has a terminal illness, therefore I will not put her through transfusions or heroic measures. If I had a terminal illness I would not wish this for myself! What I'm asking is this I'm sure some of you have had anemic FelV cats and I want to know if dying from anemia is painful. If so I will have her put to sleep. Even though I know the trip to the vet will be frightening for her... I do not want her to suffer. Thank you for your help, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dietary Supplements- Colostrum?
Yes. It has a lot of immune/healing boosters in it for animals and people alike. I know of one elderly lad who broke an arm and healed like a teenage thanks to this and I have holistic vets who recommend it. Sorry, I thought the inquiry was into dietary supplements. On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Lora wrote: Colostrum?! As in first milk or immune milk? What has that got to do with anything? --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: Have you looked at colostrum? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
