Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
The rubbermaid is more expensive but I have a couple that have held up for 5-6 years while the cheaper ones lasted a year or two. On Feb 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, dana giordano wrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank Goodness For This Group!
It is heartening to know there are people out there who see the value in the short, precious lives :) Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sun, 2/27/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank Goodness For This Group! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, February 27, 2011, 10:29 AM I was thinking this morning about this group-All of us trying to save or prolong our kitty's lives, or to keep them comfortable for as long as possible. Trying different treatments or none-we are all the same. Getting comfort or condolences...it's a hard journey. I can say that I have tried different things with my 6-Spent a huge fortune-so far lost 5 in 2 yrs and now having to watch Rosie in a downward spiral. Nothing has worked to save mine, maybe prolonged their lives by what...minutes, days, months-I don't know. Two and a half years ago, I had never heard of this damn disease-maybe because I hadn't had a cat in over a decade, just Aussies and horses. God bless the really special people who take in positive kitties knowing there is heartache up the road, but have saved them from being euthanized because of a positive test-they're not all accurate. I am rambling, I am sad-but so grateful for all the shoulders to cry on. Every time I log on, more babies have gone to the bridge, finally free to play together and wait for us. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
I don't like PETA either, but the point is made - Check out sanctuaries before sending ANY animal there. Something too few people do. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 4:51 PM I don't think they like flies more than cats, I think they consider all life equal - a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy so a rat's life, a pig's life, and a boy's life are all equal in their minds. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that PETA made this video. PETA is (from how I follow, or attempt to follow, their thinking) against sanctuaries. I no longer trust video tape. I have worked some as an extra in the television industry and you can put ABSOLUTELY anything in front of a green screen and make it look real. I had a friend who had a friend who worked on animal cops and the friend swears it is all staged - or maybe mostly staged - that there may be some issues but nothing like what is shown. I don't trust anything I haven't seen with my OWN eyes and I certainly am NOT going to trust a PETA video about ANYTHING. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the cats they kill. I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!! Lorrie On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly concerned with dogs. My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, but I must get it
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
If you can find someone you trust beyond everything, give them the house to care for the critters. Supervision is the issue. And making sure they don't haul the cats to the pound and claim the house. On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, katskat1 wrote: Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
So far, my younger cats have cost more than the 2 seniors (12 years). I am on SS and until now have managed pretty good, but now I am looking for a job at 70 years. It isn't my cats that soct, it is the house, car and Medicare supplement insurance that des me in, plus high heating bills in the winter. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
Kat, What state are you in? I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts. We're in Maryland. If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your state to call. Tamara --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for.
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Would you ask her about KY? I have a trust set up but always have concerns since it it not normal for this state. On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:27 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kat, What state are you in? I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts. We're in Maryland. If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your state to call. Tamara --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie
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yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal, I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know what I mean. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses
This didn't seem to go through, just wanted to double send in case some weirdness happened. On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:10 AM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am in South West Ohio about 1 hour north of Cincinnati. I am within 2 hours of Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton. kat On 2/28/11, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal, I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know what I mean. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o)
Great! Thank you! The first site has great pics! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 11:10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses -answer 2 :o) Sorry! Didn't read that post properly. For full on cat enclosures, these sites may work better for companies and ideas: http://catioshowcase.com/ http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-enclosures.htm http://www.catiodesigns.com/ http://habitathaven.com/cat-enclosures.html http://www.habitatforcats.com/ http://www.kittykouch.com/articles/cathabitat.htm http://www.wvcats.com/enclosures.htm http://www.xmission.com/~emailbox/catrun.htm http://www.catforum.com/forum/36-cat-chat/138057-outdoor-cat-habitat-pics.html http://catnet.stanford.edu/articles/enclosures.html On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 11:57 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER- http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER The above pretty much compliles all of the affordable ways to make or buy cat shelters. I've heard feral villa is very good. And btw - if you are making your own, your SPCA should have straw for free and your home depot/ lowes will probably give you hard foam insulation for free if it's damanged and most of the stock people will find you one. They also may sponsor it - you have to write a proposal to the manager and give them a week or two to respond. Ask at the desk. Also, don't get a clear bin, they are hard to cut, they crack - others are easier. Find one that's easy to cut. It may take a little experimenting. :) Hope that helps! Dana http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FERAL_CAT_WINTER_SHELTER On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:11 PM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: It's for cats to actually live in, and have inside/outside access (with heating and cooling), much like they do at Best Friends. Can you recommend the kit companies you used? Thanks Natalie! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:32:12 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Is this for cats to actually live in or to be able to go outside from a house? We have built our own and also used kits from CA. We have 4 outdoor enclosures attached to our house, cat doors, for cats to use as they like. We shut down in very cold weather because the cat doors aren't that good. Will be back in CT tomorrow - shutting down computer until then. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Advice Needed on Outside Cat Houses Hey guys, I am going to undertake a project in the next month or so, and build an outdoor cat house with an attached cat enclosure. I priced cat enclosures (Suncatcher Enclosures...$2000!!!) and most that I've found online are too expensive. I can build something, but would really like everyone's input on building this type of fenced structure or on building a cat house. I am looking at constructing a wood shed, with windows, on a concrete (sealed) foundation. I'm not afraid of hard work, but not sure where to start. Any thoughts? Resources I can look at that are affordable? Thank you! Wendy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many cats and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important
