Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie On 05-21, Frank Sue Koren wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
He sounds like a super sweet special baby. I love kitty hugs :) You were so lucky to have 4 wonderful years with him! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today Thank you for giving Orlando all of your love. He was lucky to have you! Lynda - Original Message - From: Lee Evans To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost a flame point Siamese two years ago. I had named him Taco even though he was rescued from a vacant lot outside a Pizza Hut Restaurant. I had him for about 2 years. Then he suddenly stopped eating. He was diagnosed with lymphoma. He hadn't wasted away and didn't seem to be in pain. I thought we still had some time. However, I came home a week after his diagnosis and he was asleep forever. I still haven't stopped crying. Such a beautiful boy and so patient with everyone. He bonded to the other FeLv+ cat I had at the time, Smooch. Less than three months later, Smooch began wasting away, even though he was eating. The vet couldn't figure out what was wrong. Smooch passed away in a month after that. He also went quietly to sleep. I'm not much of a believer but I'd like to think that those two are together somewhere. Hugs to you for taking care of Orlando when most people would have denied him his few years of love and compassion. From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
I am so sorry about Orlando! Lorrie - Is he getting any medical support for his condition? When I had FeLV+ cats, and still have 6 FIV+ cats, I gave/give them CoQ10 (50mg) daily, and Nutramin* (higher than suggested dosage for sick cats), building up the amount givenwhen I see that there's not much more to be done and you know that the cat is either in pain or has a just absolutely horrible quality of life, I opt for euthanasia as a last resort, only after having done everything that I could. * I mix Nutramin into the food for all the rescue cats; one of the many sources they actually gives a nice discount to rescue groups (if you ask for it and tell them of your non-profit status). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
Did you test to see if he has an overactive thyroid? This can happen even to younger cats. It may or may not be related to FeLv. Please have a thyroid profile done before deciding on his fate. Thyroid can be treated with medication. There's even an ear ointment that absorbs through the skin of the cat's ear if the cat absolutely won't take a pill. And yes, they do eat but get thinner and thinner. If your vet didn't do a thyroid profile, ask him to do that. From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie On 05-21, Frank Sue Koren wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
I had a cat that wasted away, he was FIV+..we did everything to keep him confortable and on his last days when he was alert I'd bundle him up(tho it was Aug, he was literally skin and bones) and take him outside to scracht his fav tree, he did all entus but got tired quickly and he'd take a long nap. I also took him to the window to watch the birds outside, had to hold him b/c he couldn't walk well and held him near a dripping faucet b/c he loved it..he was indoors only but when he was well he went out in a patio enclosure and scracht everything in sight, including a tree branch that went in the enclosure. He ate well too. I fed him kitten food both canned and dry, that he ate by himself and syringe fed Nutrical, sugar water, rubbed Karo on his gums, anything that would give him energy. When he became unresponsive we thought it was time and he died just before he was injected, he had had a seizure on the ride to the vet and another while we waited. I don't think he suffered thats why I let him live a bit longer but like I said once it was apparent he'd lost all quality of life we decided to help him along. It was very hard on us though seeing him deteriorate, if it was up to me I'd have put him down earlier but my husband won't put down a pet unless it is suffering. I won't either but sometimes I see no point on keeping them tho I'm glad for the time with had with this kitty. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie On 05-21, Frank Sue Koren wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
I am so sorry. I'm with you on hating this disease. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
Condolences on your painful loss...bless you for loving and appreciating dear little Orlando. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst awalt...@english.umass.edu ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them are lving together for several years. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Anna Condolences on the loss of your dear friend, Sylvia. As you have so beautifully written, you loved and appreciated her in your life, and knew how to help her exit her life more easily. I hope the good memories of your time together heal the pain of your loss. Peace, Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I am far from being an expert here. My cat Oliver (6) was diagnosed with the leukemia virus back in December after my cat Daisy (4) suddenly got ill and passed away. Turns out that she had leukemia even though she was vaccinated against it and showed no prior signs of having it. Oliver mixes with 4 of my other cats and nobody has tested positive. Holly -Original Message- From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them are lving together for several years. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I didn't think FeLVcpuldbe spread via sneezes, just saliva Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Anna, I am so sorry you lost your beautiful Sylvia. She sounds like she was very special, and special to you. You absolutely did the right thing in helping her along. As much as you want them to stay, watching them suffer is horrible for both of you. When my dear Luc reached the end (he was not FeLV+, but had thyroid and kidney issues) he was not eating and I was trying to bring him back by assist feeding him - euphemism aside, at this point it was force-feeding. He started making a horrible grinding sound with his teeth, and I stopped feeding because I didn't want him to hurt himself. I took him to the vet, and she said she had heard cats do that when they were in pain, and after that I couldn't let him go fast enough. It was one thing for him to be annoyed at me trying to feed him, but actual pain was a totally different matter. (The vet also said she felt a mass, which just sealed the deal.) A big chunk of my memories were in that little guy (almost 17 years worth) so I really felt like part of me had gone away. I know you will feel sad for a long time, but it will ease and you'll be able to remember Sylvia with smiles instead of tears, -- sometimes, at least. I don't want to go all mystical on you, but one thing you may want to do is just talk to Sylvia, and tell her she is welcome to come and visit you any time. I have known some people, myself included, who have felt the presence of a departed kitty. For me, it was the feeling of a cat walking on my bed when there was no living cat there. And, maybe after a while, you can adopt another kitty in Sylvia's honor. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
You did the right thing it really is a great gift you gave her to be with het at the end. Beth Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst awalt...@english.umass.edu ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Sylvia will always be with you. She lived a wonderful life and you showed your love by staying with her to the end. Don't be surprised if she sends you little ones to lighten your grief. Dixie sent me two. Blessings to you. It is so hard. On May 22, 2012, at 8:17 PM, Beth wrote: You did the right thing it really is a great gift you gave her to be with het at the end. Beth Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst awalt...@english.umass.edu ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Anna, what a lovely tribute for Sylvia. You did the right thing for her. She is now happily romping in the green meadows chasing butterflies with all our Angels Sharyl From: Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Oh Anna, I am so sorry. My heart breaks just reading your story. You loved her, cared for her, and gave her everything you had. What more could any of us ask for. It is really hard to be only human sometimes and so limited in our abilities to change the many injustices that seem to surround us. You are a truely kind and loving person and I am certain Sylvia knew and sensed that. I am sure someday your souls will meet again. Jenny On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.comwrote: Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst awalt...@english.umass.edu ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
