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THAT is why I don't go to hospitals unless I fall and hit my head on a concrete step. I figured that might require their help. But I did check for broken bones and then got the cats in fed them, cleaned their boxes and then drove myself to the ER. First place, they charge a minimum of $1600.00 and don't do that much for you. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I moved my mother to a better hospital, where they had the hospice, they quickly wheeled her out for another MRI before the move - there was no need for it - just make some more money! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia That probably had a lot to do with it! On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote: They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have no family to care for me, but do have very close friends. I have left instructions with them about my care at the end and what to do for my cats. Will have to re write to include DNR and give fluids. I have picked out a place for my cats and provided in my will for their care and transportation. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a hillside with a view! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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COULD GET EATEN BY A MOUNTAIN LION IN THE MOUNTAINS. HE MIGHT MISTAKE YOU FOR PREY. MY LION JUST VISITS EVERY SO OFTEN. HE IS ON A DEER TRAIL AND WE TALK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN HE SAUNTERS ACROSS THE ROAD. HE/SHE IS SO CLOSE THAT TO RUN WOULD BE FATAL. STANDING STILL AND TALKING IS BETTER. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a hillside with a view! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My mother died at home. She was over 90 years old, had fallen and broken her hip three years prior, would not go to the hospital to have it operated on because she was a nurse and hated hospitals. I took care of her for the three years that she survived. I had some help, which was very expensive but couldn't do it all by myself. I allowed Mom to feel that she was in control because she was quite a control freak all her life. She passed away in her sleep in the afternoon after eating a small portion of ice cream and saying thank you for everything to the caregiver. I was working online when the caregiver came into my home office and told me that she thought my mom had passed away. I don't know if Mom was in pain. She wouldn't allow pain killers and wouldn't admit to feeling any discomfort. She had some sort of intestinal blockage which the doctor who visited twice a month said was probably a malignant tumor but Mom was stubborn and wouldn't admit to having any pain from it. She had been a child actress and I think she acted all her life, whenever she didn't want to face reality or do something that was against her need for control. She was a talented woman who did the practical thing and went to college, became a registered nurse and worked in a medical office all her life. Dad was a doctor. He passed away from Alzheimer's Disease 16 years before my mother. He also passed at home, quietly after his usual dose of sleeping medication that he had been prescribed. My Uncle, my Aunt, my Grandmother all passed away at home. The younger generation promised the older ones that no one would be put in a nursing home and no one was. But it was very hard on us all because we were spread in two different areas of the country and we had to rely on hired help. I don't know about Dad's side of the family except that one brother committed suicide because of depression. Most of the other members of the family never communicated with us because Dad married outside of his religion and everyone there had the old fanatic idea about religion and marriage. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia COULD GET EATEN BY A MOUNTAIN LION IN THE MOUNTAINS. HE MIGHT MISTAKE YOU FOR PREY. MY LION JUST VISITS EVERY SO OFTEN. HE IS ON A DEER TRAIL AND WE TALK FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN HE SAUNTERS ACROSS THE ROAD. HE/SHE IS SO CLOSE THAT TO RUN WOULD BE FATAL. STANDING STILL AND TALKING IS BETTER. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a hillside with a view! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I feel so horrible for anyone who has to watch their loved ones, people or pets, suffer needlessly without the proper help! I sat with my mother for 3 weeks, even nights, but had to go to her house to care for her cats, take a shower and change clothing. They were going to send her home with a hospital bed, but thankfully, I was able to persuade them to allow her to stay because I knew that the end was near. I would have been stuck all alone, 24/7, with no help (my sister worked), away from home. She died 2 days after they planned on moving her - can't they tell how near death someone is, at least by fluid intake and going out? I could tell. The morphine and fluids really helped - my mother didn't seem in any distress the whole time! She still would have preferred just to be allowed to be let go immediately. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No fluids? WHAT? they won't let someone die via assistance but it's OKAY to let them suffer without fluids? That is wrong on SO many levels :( From: marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:24:19 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Fluids are essential to help the body slowly ease into organs shutting down without sudden dehydration, which is supposed to be very painful! It must be individual hospice rules. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 09-25, Marcia wrote: My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free. That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia. Wasn't she given fluids by mouth and morphine? As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death! Criminals also get free surgery and all the other things we don't get. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:57:47 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr said she could have fluids, hospice said no. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I read that Drs are trained to save lives, not end them. And I don't mid that language a bit(: Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That probably had a lot to do with it! On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote: They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
On 09-26, Marcia wrote: Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr said she could have fluids, hospice said no. WOW, that makes me rethink Hospice. IV fluids can be uncomfortable at the site, but definitely more comfortable than dehydration. I wonder if hospice doesn't go for IVs because most hospice workers are volunteers and it would take an RN to insert an IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Maybe that's it; my mother was at a hospital hospice facility! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia On 09-26, Marcia wrote: Hospitals aren't good at palliative care. It wasn't that my Mom requested no tubes, it was that Hospice didn't want her to have fluids. They said it would make her uncomfortable. I went toe to toe with that lady. Her Dr said she could have fluids, hospice said no. WOW, that makes me rethink Hospice. IV fluids can be uncomfortable at the site, but definitely more comfortable than dehydration. I wonder if hospice doesn't go for IVs because most hospice workers are volunteers and it would take an RN to insert an IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When I moved my mother to a better hospital, where they had the hospice, they quickly wheeled her out for another MRI before the move - there was no need for it - just make some more money! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia That probably had a lot to do with it! On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote: They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company as they can :( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
