Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
I have come across this: Have you heard or used these products available from www.PlacqueAttackStore.com http://www.petkin.com/1-800-PETKIN-1/product_information.jsp?products_id=82 - into drinking water http://www.getplacqueattack.com/?mid=984802 - spray into mouth I am going to give it a try. So far, I have been adding a tiny bit of apple cider vinegar into their water, few drops more every day - helpful for many things. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats Do you do anything for their teeth to keep them from needing dental work? I know this is a little off the original question but I have several ferals that are almost impossible to vet. They learned from the trap and neuter/spay. I would like to support their health in any way I can. Thanks. On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many > cats and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow. > Go figure. > > Gloria > > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > >> When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age >> range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come >> into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 >> years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is >> hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is >> not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before >> listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in >> finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. >> >> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane wrote: >> >>> From: Gloria Lane >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats >>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >>> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM >>> We provide the same vet care to all >>> adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors >>> to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a >>> pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. >>> >>> Gloria >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain >>> areas? And for >>>> senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of >>> the woods and >>>> have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several >>> cats. Of >>>> course, they are usually younger and are always fully >>> vetted before I >>>> take them out for Adoption Days but. >>>> >>>> Dental required? I have never done dental stuff >>> for any of my >>>> animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they >>> have tartar but >>>> make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that >>> isn't a problem. >>>> Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a >>> bad tooth needing >>>> extraction and I have had a boat load of >>> animals. Am I missing >>>> something? Where are these requirements in >>> place? And just for older >>>> animals? >>>> >>>> My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a >>> year. All the >>>> rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations >>> including for FeLV >>>> annually. >>>> >>>> This gets more and more difficult when all you want to >>> do is love them >>>> and let them live out their lives in happiness and >>> peace. >>>> >>>> K >>>> >>>> On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman >>> wrote: >>>>> What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from >>> a rescue standpoint, >>>>> older animals have to be fully vetted before they >>> can be listed for >>>>> adoption. That includes dental which is so >>> expensive. Adopters are >>>>> reluctant to take on older or special needs >>> animals because they are afraid >>>>> of the cost. Now, if the animals are current >>> on cleanings and extractions >>>>> and have recent senior blood panels then that >>> makes all the difference. >>>>> >>>>> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, kats
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
Hi Tamara, I contacted Lindsay, and she was very nice but she cannot handle my pet trust because she is not licensed in WV. On 02-28, tamara stickler wrote: What state are you in?? I > have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell,?here in the office?building > where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts.? We're in > Maryland. ? If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows > of someone in your state to call. ? Tamara > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
Tamara, Would you find out if there is an attorney in the Phila PA area. Thanks very much. Susan -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for catsLegal aid Kat, What state are you in? I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts. We're in Maryland. If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your state to call. Tamara --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: From: katskat1 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! > Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to > me and my husband. > > 2011/2/26 dana giordano > >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats >> for >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe >> that's all it's intended for. >> >> Natalie that is a fantastic idea! >> >> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love >> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) >> >> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local >> 501c3 >> so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or >> pepsi >> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can >> choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the >> money >> I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially >> if >> you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. >> >> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did >> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there >> too, >> although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm >> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's >> just a good idea to have that number for a goal. >> >> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find >> some >> that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to >> transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that >> contact >> info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will >> get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. >> I'm sure they deal with it all the
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
Do you do anything for their teeth to keep them from needing dental work? I know this is a little off the original question but I have several ferals that are almost impossible to vet. They learned from the trap and neuter/spay. I would like to support their health in any way I can. Thanks. On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many cats and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane wrote: From: Gloria Lane Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: From: katskat1 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something?
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
You know, mine have very rarely needed dental work. I've had many cats and only 1 hyperthyroid, and he's 22 - not adoptable anyhow. Go figure. Gloria On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane wrote: From: Gloria Lane Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman wrote: What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: From: katskat1 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal l
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue. We also always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age. We don't want to risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to someone who just is not prepared to deal with that. Dealing with these things before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane wrote: > From: Gloria Lane > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM > We provide the same vet care to all > adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors > to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a > pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. > > Gloria > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 > wrote: > > > Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain > areas? And for > > senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of > the woods and > > have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several > cats. Of > > course, they are usually younger and are always fully > vetted before I > > take them out for Adoption Days but. > > > > Dental required? I have never done dental stuff > for any of my > > animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they > have tartar but > > make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that > isn't a problem. > > Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a > bad tooth needing > > extraction and I have had a boat load of > animals. Am I missing > > something? Where are these requirements in > place? And just for older > > animals? > > > > My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a > year. All the > > rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations > including for FeLV > > annually. > > > > This gets more and more difficult when all you want to > do is love them > > and let them live out their lives in happiness and > peace. > > > > K > > > > On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman > wrote: > >> What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from > a rescue standpoint, > >> older animals have to be fully vetted before they > can be listed for > >> adoption. That includes dental which is so > expensive. Adopters are > >> reluctant to take on older or special needs > animals because they are afraid > >> of the cost. Now, if the animals are current > on cleanings and extractions > >> and have recent senior blood panels then that > makes all the difference. > >> > >> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 > wrote: > >> > >>> From: katskat1 > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for > cats > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM > >>> Some great ideas/questions! > >>> Thank you all and keep them coming. > >>> > >>> Right now I am on unemployment and will > eventually start > >>> receiving a > >>> small retirement amt each month that will > barely pay the > >>> mortgage and > >>> food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so > totally inadequate > >>> - which I > >>> should have known - was a set back I will have > to deal > >>> with. I guess > >>> I was thinking it would be a bridge until the > care-taker > >>> could find > >>> forever homes for them. That, of course, > leads to > >>> another concern > >>> about how to be sure the care-taker could be > trusted to > >>> find good > >>> homes.. > >>> > >>> Not sure about those on-line fund raising > sites someone > >>> suggested..beg for money? I don't > think I would > >>> give money to a > >>> stranger on line with no real info as to where > it will > >>> really go so > >>> why would I expect anyone else to do so? > Sounds > >>> strange. > >>> > >>> I like the idea of someone moving into house > but who would > >>> oversee > >>> that person to make sure the animals are > receiving the care > >>> they > >>> should? My few remaining relatives live many > states away > >&
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
We provide the same vet care to all adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 wrote: > Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for > senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and > have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of > course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I > take them out for Adoption Days but. > > Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my > animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but > make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. > Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing > extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing > something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older > animals? > > My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the > rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV > annually. > > This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them > and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. > > K > > On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman wrote: >> What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, >> older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for >> adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are >> reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid >> of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions >> and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. >> >> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: >> >>> From: katskat1 >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM >>> Some great ideas/questions! >>> Thank you all and keep them coming. >>> >>> Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start >>> receiving a >>> small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the >>> mortgage and >>> food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate >>> - which I >>> should have known - was a set back I will have to deal >>> with. I guess >>> I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker >>> could find >>> forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to >>> another concern >>> about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to >>> find good >>> homes.. >>> >>> Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone >>> suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would >>> give money to a >>> stranger on line with no real info as to where it will >>> really go so >>> why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds >>> strange. >>> >>> I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would >>> oversee >>> that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care >>> they >>> should? My few remaining relatives live many states away >>> and are >>> within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the >>> person/house after the animals alive at the time of my >>> death are no >>> longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and >>> property could >>> revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that >>> with zoning laws and >>> all And I would have to be sure the house could be >>> paid for at >>> my death ARGHH... >>> >>> I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be >>> familiar >>> with these types of situations AND share my love for these >>> furry kids. >>> Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal >>> Trusts"??? >>> or something? ;-) And would be willing and able >>> to do it without >>> charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. >>> >>> So much to think about. >>> >>> Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. >>> >>> Kat >>> >>> On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck >>> wrote: >>>> I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and >>> other pets are to me! >>>> Most
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
I am in South West Ohio about 1 hour north of Cincinnati. I am within 2 hours of Cincinnati, Columbus and Dayton. kat On 2/28/11, Belinda Sauro wrote: > yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal, > I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know > what I mean. > > -- > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://BelindaSauro.com > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
yes I would be interested in WA state to make everything nice and legal, I have relatives who may not be happy with my decision ... if you know what I mean. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid
Would you ask her about KY? I have a trust set up but always have concerns since it it not normal for this state. On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:27 PM, tamara stickler wrote: Kat, What state are you in? I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts. We're in Maryland. If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your state to call. Tamara --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: From: katskat1 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie
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Kat, What state are you in? I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts. We're in Maryland. If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your state to call. Tamara --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: From: katskat1 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! > Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to > me and my husband. > > 2011/2/26 dana giordano > >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats >> for >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe >> that's all it's intended for. >> >> Natalie that is a fantastic idea! >> >> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love >> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) >> >> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local >> 501c3 >> so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or >> pepsi >> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can >> choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the >> money >> I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially >> if >> you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. >> >> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did >> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there >> too, >> although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm >> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's >> just a good idea to have that number for a goal. >> >> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find >> some >> that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to >> transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that >> contact >> info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will >> get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. >> I'm sure they deal with it all the time. >> >> It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young >> and >> I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a >> lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to >> deal >> with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I
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So far, my younger cats have cost more than the 2 seniors (12 years). I am on SS and until now have managed pretty good, but now I am looking for a job at 70 years. It isn't my cats that soct, it is the house, car and Medicare supplement insurance that des me in, plus high heating bills in the winter. katskat1 wrote: > Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. > > Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a > small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and > food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I > should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess > I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find > forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern > about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good > homes.. > > Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone > suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a > stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so > why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. > > I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee > that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they > should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are > within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the > person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no > longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could > revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and > all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at > my death ARGHH... > > I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar > with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. > Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? > or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without > charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. > > So much to think about. > > Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. > > Kat > > On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: > > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! > > Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no > > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to > > me and my husband. > > > > 2011/2/26 dana giordano > > > >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing > >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats > >> for > >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe > >> that's all it's intended for. > >> > >> Natalie that is a fantastic idea! > >> > >> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love > >> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) > >> > >> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local > >> 501c3 > >> so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or > >> pepsi > >> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can > >> choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the > >> money > >> I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially > >> if > >> you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. > >> > >> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did > >> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there > >> too, > >> although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm > >> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's > >> just a good idea to have that number for a goal. > >> > >> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find > >> some > >> that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to > >> transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that > >> contact > >> info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will > >> get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. > >> I'm sure they deal with it all the time. > >> > >> It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young > >> and > >> I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a > >> lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to > >> deal > >> with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going > >> to > >> foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no > >> money to even put away what you guys have! :) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have > >> > left $1,000 for each
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If you can find someone you trust beyond everything, give them the house to care for the critters. Supervision is the issue. And making sure they don't haul the cats to the pound and claim the house. On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:35 PM, katskat1 wrote: Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the humane society in our small town is worthless. They
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Oh? Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain areas? And for senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of the woods and have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several cats. Of course, they are usually younger and are always fully vetted before I take them out for Adoption Days but. Dental required? I have never done dental stuff for any of my animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they have tartar but make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that isn't a problem. Cats the same. Never had an animal that had a bad tooth needing extraction and I have had a boat load of animals. Am I missing something? Where are these requirements in place? And just for older animals? My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a year. All the rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations including for FeLV annually. This gets more and more difficult when all you want to do is love them and let them live out their lives in happiness and peace. K On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman wrote: > What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, > older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for > adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are > reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid > of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions > and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. > > --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: > >> From: katskat1 >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM >> Some great ideas/questions! >> Thank you all and keep them coming. >> >> Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start >> receiving a >> small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the >> mortgage and >> food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate >> - which I >> should have known - was a set back I will have to deal >> with. I guess >> I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker >> could find >> forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to >> another concern >> about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to >> find good >> homes.. >> >> Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone >> suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would >> give money to a >> stranger on line with no real info as to where it will >> really go so >> why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds >> strange. >> >> I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would >> oversee >> that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care >> they >> should? My few remaining relatives live many states away >> and are >> within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the >> person/house after the animals alive at the time of my >> death are no >> longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and >> property could >> revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that >> with zoning laws and >> all And I would have to be sure the house could be >> paid for at >> my death ARGHH... >> >> I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be >> familiar >> with these types of situations AND share my love for these >> furry kids. >> Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal >> Trusts"??? >> or something? ;-) And would be willing and able >> to do it without >> charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. >> >> So much to think about. >> >> Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. >> >> Kat >> >> On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck >> wrote: >> > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and >> other pets are to me! >> > Most my family members and friends are huge animal >> lovers and I have no >> > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if >> something would happen to >> > me and my husband. >> > >> > 2011/2/26 dana giordano >> > >> >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) >> the amounts I am seeing >> >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to >> take care of the cats >> >> for >> >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely >> could be wrong. And maybe >> >> that's all it's intended for. >> >> >> >> Natalie that is a f
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What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption. That includes dental which is so expensive. Adopters are reluctant to take on older or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost. Now, if the animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood panels then that makes all the difference. --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 wrote: > From: katskat1 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM > Some great ideas/questions! > Thank you all and keep them coming. > > Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start > receiving a > small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the > mortgage and > food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate > - which I > should have known - was a set back I will have to deal > with. I guess > I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker > could find > forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to > another concern > about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to > find good > homes.. > > Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone > suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would > give money to a > stranger on line with no real info as to where it will > really go so > why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds > strange. > > I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would > oversee > that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care > they > should? My few remaining relatives live many states away > and are > within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the > person/house after the animals alive at the time of my > death are no > longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and > property could > revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that > with zoning laws and > all And I would have to be sure the house could be > paid for at > my death ARGHH... > > I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be > familiar > with these types of situations AND share my love for these > furry kids. > Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal > Trusts"??? > or something? ;-) And would be willing and able > to do it without > charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. > > So much to think about. > > Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. > > Kat > > On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck > wrote: > > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and > other pets are to me! > > Most my family members and friends are huge animal > lovers and I have no > > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if > something would happen to > > me and my husband. > > > > 2011/2/26 dana giordano > > > >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) > the amounts I am seeing > >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to > take care of the cats > >> for > >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely > could be wrong. And maybe > >> that's all it's intended for. > >> > >> Natalie that is a fantastic idea! > >> > >> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to > put it out there? Love > >> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) > >> > >> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, > maybe through a local > >> 501c3 > >> so their donators will get tax deductions, or > perhaps kickstarter, or > >> pepsi > >> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites > nowadays and you can > >> choose different amounts...you just have to hit > the minimum to get the > >> money > >> I think but people can always contribute more than > requested, especially > >> if > >> you state that in the description of why you are > looking for funds. > >> > >> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement > homes out there - did > >> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted > to put that out there > >> too, > >> although they make you pay upfront for the > lifetime care of the cats. I'm > >> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if > you ask, and maybe it's > >> just a good idea to have that number for a goal. > >> > >> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you > perhaps you could find > >> some > >&
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Some great ideas/questions! Thank you all and keep them coming. Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with. I guess I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find forever homes for them. That, of course, leads to another concern about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good homes.. Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone suggested..beg for money? I don't think I would give money to a stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so why would I expect anyone else to do so? Sounds strange. I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could revert to a rescue site? Yikes! How to do that with zoning laws and all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at my death ARGHH... I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids. Maybe listed in the yellow pages under "Attorneys - Animal Trusts"??? or something? ;-) And would be willing and able to do it without charging an arm and a leg. Sigh. So much to think about. Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all. Kat On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck wrote: > I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! > Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no > doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to > me and my husband. > > 2011/2/26 dana giordano > >> I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing >> (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats >> for >> long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe >> that's all it's intended for. >> >> Natalie that is a fantastic idea! >> >> I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love >> that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) >> >> Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local >> 501c3 >> so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or >> pepsi >> refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can >> choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the >> money >> I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially >> if >> you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. >> >> And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did >> anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there >> too, >> although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm >> sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's >> just a good idea to have that number for a goal. >> >> Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find >> some >> that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to >> transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that >> contact >> info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will >> get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. >> I'm sure they deal with it all the time. >> >> It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young >> and >> I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a >> lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to >> deal >> with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going >> to >> foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no >> money to even put away what you guys have! :) >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have >> > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to >> > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some >> > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the >> > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they >> > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the >> > humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly >> > concerned with dogs. >> > >> > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so >> > I know they could
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I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me! Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to me and my husband. 2011/2/26 dana giordano > I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing > (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats > for > long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe > that's all it's intended for. > > Natalie that is a fantastic idea! > > I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love > that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) > > Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 > so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi > refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can > choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the > money > I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if > you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. > > And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did > anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there > too, > although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm > sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's > just a good idea to have that number for a goal. > > Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some > that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to > transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact > info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will > get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. > I'm sure they deal with it all the time. > > It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young > and > I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a > lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to > deal > with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to > foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no > money to even put away what you guys have! :) > > > > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have > > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to > > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some > > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the > > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they > > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the > > humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly > > concerned with dogs. > > > > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so > > I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, > > but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough > > money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my > > cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. > > > > Lorrie in WV > > > > On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: > > > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having > > > several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I > > > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing > > > that makes me feel best. > > > > > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I > > > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in > > > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This > > > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used > > > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to > > > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted > > > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets > > > concur it is a medical neccessity. > > > > > > Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. > > > > > > Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't > > > know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but > > > I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if > > > necessary and she has agreed. > > > > > > Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't > > > visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced > > > if possible. > > > > > > kat > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@fel
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This is what I'd really love to do. My house is all set up for the cats. It has three outdoor enclosures, with cat flaps so they can go out or in, and they have 4 large kitty condos, plus window perches, so they're totally spoiled. I do have one lady in mind who could move in, but she has very little income so my son would have to pay the utilities, assessments, taxes etc. out of the money I leave. I'm sure he'd do this as he adores cats and he'd take mine if he didn't already have a bunch of his own. Lorrie On 02-26, Natalie wrote: > When my mother died, she had 17 rescued cats. Since I was "up to > here" with our rescues, I found someone to live in her house, free > of charge, in exchange for caring for the cats. Since 2001, > there's one cat left. I could bring him to CT, but at his age, he > may as well live out whatever time he has in his own surroundings. > If someone cares, they will find a way. Maybe you could try > something similar? > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Do you have any legal arrangement? Monitoring? I ask because that is what I would like for my guys. On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Natalie wrote: When my mother died, she had 17 rescued cats. Since I was "up to here" with our rescues, I found someone to live in her house, free of charge, in exchange for caring for the cats. Since 2001, there's one cat left. I could bring him to CT, but at his age, he may as well live out whatever time he has in his own surroundings. If someone cares, they will find a way. Maybe you could try something similar? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly concerned with dogs. My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. Lorrie in WV On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing that makes me feel best. I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets concur it is a medical neccessity. Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if necessary and she has agreed. Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced if possible. kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We work with seni9or and special needs animals and often find good homes for them. But that is only after we take care of blood panels and dental. On average we spend about $500 per cat getting them ready for adoption. And that's with rescue discounts, our own lab account, etc. Market rate at a private vet, it would cost 3 times as much. --- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie wrote: > From: Natalie > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 9:58 AM > Depending on a cat's age/life > expectancy, one must also figure in potential > health problems and veterinary visits. I had a call > from a woman who wanted > to "get rid" of her 15 yr old cat - she said that she would > give me a > sizable donation, even after telling her over and over, > that we do not > accept owner-surrendered cats, our priorities are taking > them off the street > etc. I was curious about what she considered to be a > "sizable" donation - it > was $100! I asked her how much one average vet visit cost > her...she thought > for a minute, and said, about $160 BTW - we do > make exceptions about > owner-surrendered cats, emergencies, etc, and we always > take back any cat(s) > that were adopted from us, no matter how long ago. > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of dana giordano > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:15 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats > > I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the > amounts I am seeing > (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take > care of the cats for > long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be > wrong. And maybe > that's all it's intended for. > > Natalie that is a fantastic idea! > > I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it > out there? Love > that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) > > Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe > through a local 501c3 > so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps > kickstarter, or pepsi > refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays > and you can > choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum > to get the money > I think but people can always contribute more than > requested, especially if > you state that in the description of why you are looking > for funds. > > And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out > there - did > anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put > that out there too, > although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of > the cats. I'm > sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, > and maybe it's > just a good idea to have that number for a goal. > > Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you > could find some > that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups > would be willing to > transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and > get that contact > info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in > place and it will > get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and > after-care for animals. > I'm sure they deal with it all the time. > > It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm > fairly young and > I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) > which was just a > lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I > won't have to deal > with this myself. If I want animals after that I > decided I'm only going to > foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly > because I have no > money to even put away what you guys have! :) > > > > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie > wrote: > > > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so > far. In my will I have > > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the > best I can think of to > > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of > knowing some > > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the > cat!! It's the > > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I > be certain they > > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill > shelter, and the > > humane society in our small town is worthless. They > are mainly > > concerned with dogs. > > > > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of > their own, so > > I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is &
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Depending on a cat's age/life expectancy, one must also figure in potential health problems and veterinary visits. I had a call from a woman who wanted to "get rid" of her 15 yr old cat - she said that she would give me a sizable donation, even after telling her over and over, that we do not accept owner-surrendered cats, our priorities are taking them off the street etc. I was curious about what she considered to be a "sizable" donation - it was $100! I asked her how much one average vet visit cost her...she thought for a minute, and said, about $160 BTW - we do make exceptions about owner-surrendered cats, emergencies, etc, and we always take back any cat(s) that were adopted from us, no matter how long ago. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the > humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly > concerned with dogs. > > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so > I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, > but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough > money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my > cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. > > Lorrie in WV > > On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: > > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having > > several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I > > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing > > that makes me feel best. > > > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I > > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in > > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This > > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used > > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to > > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted > > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets >
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I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats for long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe that's all it's intended for. Natalie that is a fantastic idea! I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there? Love that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P) Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local 501c3 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or pepsi refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the money I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially if you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds. And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there too, although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats. I'm sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's just a good idea to have that number for a goal. Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find some that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that contact info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will get done. Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals. I'm sure they deal with it all the time. It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young and I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this myself. If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going to foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no money to even put away what you guys have! :) On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie wrote: > Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have > left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to > assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some > unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the > big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they > will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the > humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly > concerned with dogs. > > My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so > I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, > but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough > money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my > cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. > > Lorrie in WV > > On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: > > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having > > several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I > > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing > > that makes me feel best. > > > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I > > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in > > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This > > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used > > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to > > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted > > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets > > concur it is a medical neccessity. > > > > Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. > > > > Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't > > know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but > > I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if > > necessary and she has agreed. > > > > Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't > > visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced > > if possible. > > > > kat > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When my mother died, she had 17 rescued cats. Since I was "up to here" with our rescues, I found someone to live in her house, free of charge, in exchange for caring for the cats. Since 2001, there's one cat left. I could bring him to CT, but at his age, he may as well live out whatever time he has in his own surroundings. If someone cares, they will find a way. Maybe you could try something similar? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly concerned with dogs. My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. Lorrie in WV On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having > several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing > that makes me feel best. > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets > concur it is a medical neccessity. > > Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. > > Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't > know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but > I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if > necessary and she has agreed. > > Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't > visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced > if possible. > > kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........
Hi Kat, This is exactly what I have done so far. In my will I have left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats. It is the best I can think of to assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of knowing some unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the cat!! It's the big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I be certain they will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill shelter, and the humane society in our small town is worthless. They are mainly concerned with dogs. My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of their own, so I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome. It is such a big problem, but I must get it resolved as time is running out. I have enough money from a small inheritance to insure the care and safety of my cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem. Lorrie in WV On 02-25, katskat1 wrote: > I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as well as having > several cats and dogs of my own. In my 60's, live along female. I > finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my will and found the thing > that makes me feel best. > > I allocated a certain lump sum per animal ($500/cat, $1000/dog as I > couldn't afford to set up a trust altho am still considering that) in > my will for any and all animals alive at the time of my death. This > money goes to the local no kill shelter or humane society to be used > specifically for each animal with the sole purpose of allowing it to > live its' full, natural life in a healthy and natural manner, adopted > or fostered if possible and NOT to be euthanized unless two vets > concur it is a medical neccessity. > > Best I could do but it will hopefully serve the purpose. > > Anybody have any ideas on how I can make it more air tight? I don't > know if I would have much more money than that as I don't own much but > I have asked my one sister to allow it from life insurance if > necessary and she has agreed. > > Good luck. and NEVER allow your animals to go anywhere you haven't > visited and seen several times, at several times of day, unnanounced > if possible. > > kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
