[Felvtalk] Vaccine induced cancer - more info.
Hi list, Here are a couple of links I found by googling. The first one has a lot of info and includes a chart identifying where to inject which vaccine on a cat. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=526 This one has some general information on the subject. Both UC Davis and Cornell University have extensive information too. http://maxshouse.com/vaccine_induced_sarcoma.htm Here is the Cornell one. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/vaccsarc.html Here is a Wiki one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine-associated_sarcoma Hope you find this helpful. Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather
RE: Hobbs, more info--Liver
If the bilirubin is high, could this be fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis)? I've been through this with my Luc and it is very reversible with proper treatment. The treatment is simple -- feed, feed, feed, and quick, quick, quick! The problem is that the cat may not feel like eating, in which case force-feeding or tube-feeding is the way to go. With Luc, force-feeding was so stressful that we elected to have an esophageal tube inserted through his neck. We thinned out and blended some A/D from the vet and syringed it through a little funnel into the tube. Within a week, he started to feel better and lapped it up on his own, and turned right around. We had to wait a while to have the tube removed -- the rough edges of the hole needed to heal over before they could be stitched shut. We too had the test to the tune of several hundred dollars, and then Luc didn't react well to the anesthetic and they kept him overnight for several more hundred, so I feel your pain on having to consider money. The tube insertion itself was only a couple hundred dollars (although the vet may have taken pity on us after the original $1200 we'd spent on tests and the overnight stay). Thankfully, my mother had left a small amount of money and I know she would have been happy to know it went to save my heart-kitty's life. I hope things turn out okay for Hobbs! Hugs to him and his hoomins. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Wienker Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
Heather, Here is what Broadwater Vet Hospital says about high bilirubin. Broadwater Vet BW Explanations http://tinyurl.com/2ex549 The total bilirubin level is high. Bilirubin is a product in red blood cells (RBC). When it is released from natural or diseased destruction of red blood cells, it is processed (or conjugated) in the liver. Therefore, a high bilirubin usually indicates either excessive RBC destruction (such as with haemobartonella infections or immune mediated hemolytic anemia) that is overwhelming the livers ability to process it, or when there is primary liver disease, especially a biliary obstruction, which disables the livers ability to process the bilirubin. When this occurs, abnormally high amounts of bilirubin start to build up in the blood. If the bilirubin gets too high, the skin of your pet can start to turn jaundiced, or yellow colored, as a result of this buildup in the blood. This is most often noted in the whites of the eyes, inner ears and on the gums. Is Hobbs anemic? If so he could have a haemobartonella infection. Here is a link to more info. http://www.pets.ca/encyclopedia/haemobart_cat.htm Did they get test results for ALT, AST and ALP? If they are high he could have hepatic lipidosis (fatty liver disease). Food is the cure for HL. Usually some form of assist feeding is required. Here is the link to the Yahoo Assist Feeding group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ I haven't had to deal with liver disease so don't know about the meds. I do know Hobbs would be better off at home every night instead of being at an unattended hospital. It would be a hassle to pick him up every evening and take him back in the AM but well worth it. And that way she could make sure he is getting food. Many hospitals do not do a good job of assist feeding. If he has HL he has to get food. That will mean some form of assist feeding. Kitties with HL can recover if they receive enough food. Hugs to Hobbs Sharyl Sissy and Rocket Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
Why can't she do the fluids? I did them for Ebony and there was no real problem. Not fun but doable. She may have very good reasons but have her check it out with the vet. Mine showed me exactly what to do and it works. On Apr 29, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Heather Wienker wrote: Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
Are they talking IV fluids where he will be hooked up to an infusion pump? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
YES. My friend's' Lucie was in liver failure because she was not eating her normal amount of food. Her blood count numbers were off the charts. The internal med doc did ultrasound to make sure it wasn't cancer and placed an E tube. They kept her (24/7 clinic) for a few days to get her started. There were meds ~ prednisone and anti nausea. Mike had to feed her 4 times a day. She thrives! She was REALLY bad when Mike took her in. I went with him. I did not think she would or could live. E tubes are the BEST! Hepatic lipidosis is reversible and Diane is right...feed feed feed and quick quick quick!! good luck. ps I would take kitty to vet during day and at home at night. I agree. At vet they are alone from 5PM-7:30AM. A ridiculously and perilously long time. I would also have them place the E tube immediately. Prayers, Energy and Thoughts for the kitty (name?) Laurie - Original Message - From: Rosenfeldt, Diane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:01 PM Subject: RE: Hobbs, more info--Liver If the bilirubin is high, could this be fatty liver disease (hepatic lipidosis)? I've been through this with my Luc and it is very reversible with proper treatment. The treatment is simple -- feed, feed, feed, and quick, quick, quick! The problem is that the cat may not feel like eating, in which case force-feeding or tube-feeding is the way to go. With Luc, force-feeding was so stressful that we elected to have an esophageal tube inserted through his neck. We thinned out and blended some A/D from the vet and syringed it through a little funnel into the tube. Within a week, he started to feel better and lapped it up on his own, and turned right around. We had to wait a while to have the tube removed -- the rough edges of the hole needed to heal over before they could be stitched shut. We too had the test to the tune of several hundred dollars, and then Luc didn't react well to the anesthetic and they kept him overnight for several more hundred, so I feel your pain on having to consider money. The tube insertion itself was only a couple hundred dollars (although the vet may have taken pity on us after the original $1200 we'd spent on tests and the overnight stay). Thankfully, my mother had left a small amount of money and I know she would have been happy to know it went to save my heart-kitty's life. I hope things turn out okay for Hobbs! Hugs to him and his hoomins. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heather Wienker Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver Hi everyone, I thank you all so much for your caring insightful replies! It appears the problem is Hobbs' liver, his bilirubin is very high. They are suggesting a regimen of meds including Denocil, baytril, amox., Cartinine Arginine, and fluids. BW suggested an infection which may be the reason for the antibiotics. They also suggested doing X-ray/ultrasound/fine needle aspirate cytology for the liver. I asked if we can start the meds and see how he responds. If anyone has comments on this it is appreciated. My rescue vet bills were $1,100 last week and I hate considering money, but the vet did say we could proceed that way...I also thought sedating for the aspirate might not be good if he's so weak? What we are trying to figure out now is if it's best to hospitalize him for 3 days for fluids as suggested, or, for my friend to take him home where she can watch over him more during the night (my vet's does not have staff there overnight). She can't do fluids so would have to bring him back each day for fluids if so. I think that would be stressful, but it might be best for him to be at homeespecially if he took a turn for the worse, I don't think she'd like his last moments to be in the hospital if possible. I am always boarding cats so they can get proper care but in this case am not sure which is best, kind of a toss up. Karen, if you have suggestions now that we know that the liver seems to be the issue, it's appreciated or I can give you a call. A good rescue friend suggested SamE, but I think the Denocil is like an RX version that might have some further benefits if I'm understanding correctly. Thank you allI haven't been active in the group but always scan the messages and pray for all of our kitties. Blessings to you all--and especially to your furry ones, Heather This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply
Re: Hobbs, more info--Liver
I ask because as Marylyn said subq fluids are easy to do, I am doing two of my cats now, Joey very early CRF and Fred CRF for 2 years now. Fred has been getting fluids for almost the whole 2 years and Joey for about 3 or so months. Her vet can show her how and I'd be happy to help: Are they talking IV fluids where he will be hooked up to an infusion pump? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: More info on Joey
Hi Hideyo, I will be picking her up today and ask the vet about fatty liver. The kittens also have really bad diarrhea and are on albon. I am going to ask him if I can give them some pedialyte to prevent dehydration. Could I give Kitty pedialyte? I don't know if she has dehydration though - she drinks ALOT - which is why they are thinking diabetes. Kelley On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kelley - she vomits because she feels nauseated when the food is put in her mouth and she is nauseated because of her liver problem and it's a common sytmpoms for liver problems. Liver has a great recoupbability to recover, however, early treatment is very critical.. once a cat becomes jaundiced, you will risk losing the kitty.. that's how I lost mine. Again, IV is critical right now -- you cannot afford her to be dehydrated.. and IV will help flush toxins and bile out from the liver and will make her feel better - there are pepcid injection that you can give her from feeling nauseated -- but please please ask you vet to give her IV -- as Wendy says it's a very serious condition. I will be praying for Joey and Kitty's recovery. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43
Re: More info on Joey
Hi Wendy, He has it written down on Kitty's bloodwork (sorry, there was a pair of senior owner surrenders turned in to me at the same time. Both are now pretty gravely ill). I am thinking of not taking in any more seniors. They do not do well in my home. It is really hard, but young cats seem to adjust much better and with much less stress. I am trying to find a foster w/fewer cats so that she could have less stress, but no one who does rescue has few cats. When all my dreams come true and I have a full-fledged sanctuary/adoption center, perhaps I can dedicate a room to seniors and adjust it to their special needs. Though I did get Caroline fully adjusted to my home...it took 5 months..and she is only 5.5 years.. On 4/11/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lipidosis is the same thing as fatty liver disease, if I'm not mistaken. Is the vet saying Joey has this??? This is very serious if so; it's related to the lack of food. I hope Joey is ok Kelley. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came
RE: More info on Joey
Kelly, I hope your dreams come true! I can only hope to be independently wealthy someday so I can have a beautiful shelter! Good luck with your seniors! Yes, we'll have to have old folks wings on our shelters! Good idea! Best wishes! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Wendy, He has it written down on Kitty's bloodwork (sorry, there was a pair of senior owner surrenders turned in to me at the same time. Both are now pretty gravely ill). I am thinking of not taking in any more seniors. They do not do well in my home. It is really hard, but young cats seem to adjust much better and with much less stress. I am trying to find a foster w/fewer cats so that she could have less stress, but no one who does rescue has few cats. When all my dreams come true and I have a full-fledged sanctuary/adoption center, perhaps I can dedicate a room to seniors and adjust it to their special needs. Though I did get Caroline fully adjusted to my home...it took 5 months..and she is only 5.5 years.. On 4/11/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lipidosis is the same thing as fatty liver disease, if I'm not mistaken. Is the vet saying Joey has this??? This is very serious if so; it's related to the lack of food. I hope Joey is ok Kelley. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e
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A kitty with liver disease (in the beginning stage) also drinks lots of water, or at least mine did.. I don't know why they still think it's diabetes when the blood work shows it's not - do you know? You might want to ask them. You could give kitty pedilyte - but it will be better if you can give them subq- with a syringe as they dehydrate so quickly and giving them orally sometimes is not enough water to compensate the loss-- and hydration becomes critical for a kitten more than so for a adult kitty. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, I will be picking her up today and ask the vet about fatty liver. The kittens also have really bad diarrhea and are on albon. I am going to ask him if I can give them some pedialyte to prevent dehydration. Could I give Kitty pedialyte? I don't know if she has dehydration though - she drinks ALOT - which is why they are thinking diabetes. Kelley On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kelley - she vomits because she feels nauseated when the food is put in her mouth and she is nauseated because of her liver problem and it's a common sytmpoms for liver problems. Liver has a great recoupbability to recover, however, early treatment is very critical.. once a cat becomes jaundiced, you will risk losing the kitty.. that's how I lost mine. Again, IV is critical right now -- you cannot afford her to be dehydrated.. and IV will help flush toxins and bile out from the liver and will make her feel better - there are pepcid injection that you can give her from feeling nauseated -- but please please ask you vet to give her IV -- as Wendy says it's a very serious condition. I will be praying for Joey and Kitty's recovery. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL
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Kelley, if they are ruling out one thing at a time, if there's even a suspicion of fatty liver, they should be checking for it FIRST because time is so very important! My Luc had it a little over a year ago, possibly brought on by pancreatitis (although by the time we noticed he was off and got treatment, that was the secondary issue!), and we forced subq fluids and A/D, and when that was too much of an ordeal for all of us, we had an esophageal tube implanted. Within 2 weeks he was back to his old self, although it was another month or so before we could have the tube removed. But without the forcing, we would have lost him for sure! Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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I agree completely -- I feel that you may want to find another vet as I just don't know if he knows completely what he is doing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Kelley, if they are ruling out one thing at a time, if there's even a suspicion of fatty liver, they should be checking for it FIRST because time is so very important! My Luc had it a little over a year ago, possibly brought on by pancreatitis (although by the time we noticed he was off and got treatment, that was the secondary issue!), and we forced subq fluids and A/D, and when that was too much of an ordeal for all of us, we had an esophageal tube implanted. Within 2 weeks he was back to his old self, although it was another month or so before we could have the tube removed. But without the forcing, we would have lost him for sure! Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
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Ok, well, I talked to the vet and she still has not urinated (which has me concerned) but he has come to the conclusion that she is just one of those cats that wants attention all the time. She has FINALLY started eating on her own (first time she has done this) but he says she will watch to see if you are there and if you leave she will stop eating. She will only eat if you are actively watching her. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way I can pay any one cat that much individual attention. It just physically isn't possible. On 4/12/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, if they are ruling out one thing at a time, if there's even a suspicion of fatty liver, they should be checking for it FIRST because time is so very important! My Luc had it a little over a year ago, possibly brought on by pancreatitis (although by the time we noticed he was off and got treatment, that was the secondary issue!), and we forced subq fluids and A/D, and when that was too much of an ordeal for all of us, we had an esophageal tube implanted. Within 2 weeks he was back to his old self, although it was another month or so before we could have the tube removed. But without the forcing, we would have lost him for sure! Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Kelley - I hate to say that but your kitty is not urinating because she does not want not because she cannot -- there is someone on a different list brought her cat to her vet and kept their two days until he urinated as he was a CRF kitty -- and I asked her to bring him home right away, it was his decision as he did not feel comfortable or safe to pee as a cat will hold to pee more than a day or two -- and as soon as she brought him home he started peeing like there is no tomorrow -- unless they are doing anything like IV, please bring her home you are only stressing her keeping there and it's not good for her for whatever she is dealing with. I understand it's overwhelming -- I can relate as I have tons of cats to take care of lots of have certain medical needs and I have a full time job - but just do what you can-- please don't' think that if you can't do everything you are supposed to.. it might well as do nothing.. just do what I can .. I have three kitties right now that I have to assist feed every day.. and 4 kitties who needs sub q fluid on a daily basis, and about a dozen that needs different medications (diabetic, CRF, liver.. and etc..) and it does not always happen the way it's supposed to.. but it's okay,, just do what I can. You might be more overwhelmed by a thought of doing 'everything - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, well, I talked to the vet and she still has not urinated (which has me concerned) but he has come to the conclusion that she is just one of those cats that wants attention all the time. She has FINALLY started eating on her own (first time she has done this) but he says she will watch to see if you are there and if you leave she will stop eating. She will only eat if you are actively watching her. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way I can pay any one cat that much individual attention. It just physically isn't possible. On 4/12/07, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley, if they are ruling out one thing at a time, if there's even a suspicion of fatty liver, they should be checking for it FIRST because time is so very important! My Luc had it a little over a year ago, possibly brought on by pancreatitis (although by the time we noticed he was off and got treatment, that was the secondary issue!), and we forced subq fluids and A/D, and when that was too much of an ordeal for all of us, we had an esophageal tube implanted. Within 2 weeks he was back to his old self, although it was another month or so before we could have the tube removed. But without the forcing, we would have lost him for sure! Diane R. This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Thanks for the info Kelley! I should look into that, and ask my financial advisor, well, my cousin, for some help with setting one up. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hey Melissa, We are going to be getting off the topic a bit, but I don't think we need to be independently wealthy to have shelters. That's why I started a 501(c)(3) so that I can take donations.:) (If I had to wait until I was independently wealthy I'd never make it!) Kelley On 4/12/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, I hope your dreams come true! I can only hope to be independently wealthy someday so I can have a beautiful shelter! Good luck with your seniors! Yes, we'll have to have old folks wings on our shelters! Good idea! Best wishes! Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Wendy, He has it written down on Kitty's bloodwork (sorry, there was a pair of senior owner surrenders turned in to me at the same time. Both are now pretty gravely ill). I am thinking of not taking in any more seniors. They do not do well in my home. It is really hard, but young cats seem to adjust much better and with much less stress. I am trying to find a foster w/fewer cats so that she could have less stress, but no one who does rescue has few cats. When all my dreams come true and I have a full-fledged sanctuary/adoption center, perhaps I can dedicate a room to seniors and adjust it to their special needs. Though I did get Caroline fully adjusted to my home...it took 5 months..and she is only 5.5 years.. On 4/11/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lipidosis is the same thing as fatty liver disease, if I'm not mistaken. Is the vet saying Joey has this??? This is very serious if so; it's related to the lack of food. I hope Joey is ok Kelley. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see
More info on Joey
Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: More info on Joey
I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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I will send the values from the other blood test when I get home. The X-ray is showing a suspicious mass in his tummy, but that would not cause issues with his mouth would it? On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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No, the mass in the tummy itself wouldn't -- whatever is causing the mass could cause ulcers if again it's viral related, I think.. how about ultrasound - it's less invasive than biopsy and you can stay with him while they do and it only takes 15 mins or so and no anesthesia is necessary and it will tell a lot more about the mass -- is that what you meant, Kelley? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I will send the values from the other blood test when I get home. The X-ray is showing a suspicious mass in his tummy, but that would not cause issues with his mouth would it? On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley -- the weight he lost is not that much -- I actually weigh some of my kitties every single day for different reasons.. but they do fractuate throughout the day and throughout the week even if there is nothing wrong -- I would really suggest before you going to extreme measurement of diagnosis like biopsy which can be very stressful for the body, do the total body function work to find out how each organ is working.. sometimes, we diagnosis our animals to death so that we can find out what's going on, but stress can damage them the meantime as well. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
No, the biopsy was for his tongue. He needs an ultrasound for his tummy, but I don't have the money. Ultrasounds are very expensive. On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: More info on Joey
awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Elizabeth..doesn't he look fineI don't understand how he can have all this wrong with him and still seem ok... On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also – if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight – how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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I am not understanding -- what make you think that he can have all this wrong -- as all I see is low RBC and high WBC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Elizabeth..doesn't he look fineI don't understand how he can have all this wrong with him and still seem ok... On 4/11/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awwwhe's such a sweetie. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:03 AM To: felvtalk Subject: More info on Joey Joey has lost 3 ounces of the 7 ounces he previously regained. The vet says for me to not syringe feed him because if I force him to eat when he doesn't want to it will just make him throw up and make him sickly. So do yall have any suggestions for convincing him to eat? He seems to like all food equally. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http
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Kelley, I just got a new appetite stimulant from the vets, Fred has lost a pound in 2 weeks. He is eating but not nearly enough, he is getting another feeding tube tenatively on Friday. But she asked me to try this appetite stimulant first, it is dosed an 1/8 to a 1/4 pill every 3 days. She wanted me to start Fred with a 1/4 but after reading some of the side effects I decided to try a 1/8 first. Within 20 minutes Fred was looking at me and trying to lead me into the kitchen, I put food down and he ate pretty good, better than he has in quite a while. I am still going to get the feeding tube because he is horrendous with getting meds and there are a few he HAS TO HAVE, most importantly hisw blood pressure meds and potassium and binders. He is just impossible to pill and we are at war when it comes to giving him meds so he has only been getting the BP and antibiotic for the last 2 weeks. The appetite stimulant is called Mirtazapine, here is one page where I read some things about it. I hope it doesn't hurt him to have it the one time, once he gets the feeding tube I won't need it. It's about 30 dollars for a 36 day supply at 1/4 pill every 3 days or a 72 day supply at an 1/8 of a pill every 3 days. This is what I paid the vet. http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm#mirtazapine -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: More info on Joey
Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he not eating at all? What is his eating habit right now? Not all cats will throw up, you really have to evaluate it individually as none of my cat I syringed fed never never threw up (some did not like me doing it..) -Original Message- From
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You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating some, but not as much as last week. The doctor says the lesion on his tongue could be from FELV? or it could be from me giving him the pills..if they are staying on his tongue too long... He says it is not an infection. If it does not go away he wants to biopsy it. I am thinking maybe when he eats it hurts his tongue, so he doesn't want to eat as much. I'm very disappointed he lost weight as he was steadily regaining
RE: More info on Joey
Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey I bet you are exactly right about why he isn't eating as much. Is he drinking plenty of water? Maybe he would like some of the fancy feast that is just in the plain 'pate' form?...or maybe some baby food? Bless his little heart. Please pat him on the head for me. elizabeth On 4/11/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is eating
Re: More info on Joey
Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey His spinal cord. He does not look so skinny, though. Here is his picture from 2 nights ago: http://rescuties.rescuegroups.org/images/dynapage/s689dpi7.jpg On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree also - if he is dehydrated, it will also impact the weight - how is he losing weight? What portion does he look skinny? On the spinal cord area? Or all over? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of elizabeth trent Sent
RE: More info on Joey
I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know
Re: More info on Joey
Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram
RE: More info on Joey
Kelley - she does not have diabete - her gloucose is not high at all -- you need to bring her home -- many cats do not pee when stressed and it's really bad for a kitty with liver problem. They can easily stick a needle to get sterile urine sample if you need to.. and she is not going to pee there - I think you may need to get another vet as I don't know why you vet is not seeing the problem of the liver -- liver problem is very serious and need to do something right away and they should not she does not have diabete from the blood work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening
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Hey Kelley, Just wanted to let you know I was thinking about you and Joey. I'm just south of your neck of the woods in San Antonio for a conference this week. I hope you find out soon what's going on with Joey. I was only able to read a few emails today so I'm not sure all that's going on with Joey today. Prayers going out to both of you. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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Kelley - now I am looking at Kitty's bloodwork, I am pretty sure that you meant TBIL and not TFIL for Joey's blood work. IF so, I am worried that there is a chance that he may have FIP... here's the blood work you emailed to me earlier .. Elevated AMYL, GLOUB, TBL and low RBC - is there anyway that you can get access to FOI -- even it's FIP, there is a chance that he will recover as he is older .. but I really suggest you have them run corona titer test to -- I lost 8 kitties to FIP and have seen their blood work and symptoms and am worried that there is something that we can do to help him but your vet is not seeing it. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2
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There is someone on FIP list who has FIP and her kitty died and wanted to sell it to someone, if you are interested in, I can ask her - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Kelley - now I am looking at Kitty's bloodwork, I am pretty sure that you meant TBIL and not TFIL for Joey's blood work. IF so, I am worried that there is a chance that he may have FIP... here's the blood work you emailed to me earlier .. Elevated AMYL, GLOUB, TBL and low RBC - is there anyway that you can get access to FOI -- even it's FIP, there is a chance that he will recover as he is older .. but I really suggest you have them run corona titer test to -- I lost 8 kitties to FIP and have seen their blood work and symptoms and am worried that there is something that we can do to help him but your vet is not seeing it. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has
Re: More info on Joey
Lipidosis is the same thing as fatty liver disease, if I'm not mistaken. Is the vet saying Joey has this??? This is very serious if so; it's related to the lack of food. I hope Joey is ok Kelley. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my household is always lots of kaos, my standard is probably off -- Lots of my kitties have had anemia problems and it can be a life threatening, I lost 6 kitties to anemia during the past several months already, so I know that it's not to be taken light.. but I also wanted you to remember his clinical behavioral conditions as it's most important thing of all to consider. I really do suggest thought, Kelley, have the blood work done for everything, and also female buddy kitty to run all the blood work as well -- urine samples will tell lots of stuff, but not as much as the blood work can tell and to what degree (i.e. kidney problems.. etc) -- please keep me posted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey Hi Hideyo, He for sure has anemia. He may have cancer - we cant' tell until I save $ for sonogram. He has an ulcerated area on his tongue that has my vet concerned. He is worried about the possibility of FELV.That is a lot of stuff for one cat to have wrong. The female buddy he came in with may have diabetes. He is keeping her overnight to get a urine sample. She is not eating at all. Most of her blood values are WNL. She's very sick, I know that. She's lost 7 lb in 2 month out of 17.2 lbs. She had URI so I treated that and she got better from that..but she kept not eating. I syringe her but sometimes she throws it back up. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He looks so cute!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: More info on Joey
RE: More info on Joey
Hi, Kelley - she vomits because she feels nauseated when the food is put in her mouth and she is nauseated because of her liver problem and it's a common sytmpoms for liver problems. Liver has a great recoupbability to recover, however, early treatment is very critical.. once a cat becomes jaundiced, you will risk losing the kitty.. that's how I lost mine. Again, IV is critical right now -- you cannot afford her to be dehydrated.. and IV will help flush toxins and bile out from the liver and will make her feel better - there are pepcid injection that you can give her from feeling nauseated -- but please please ask you vet to give her IV -- as Wendy says it's a very serious condition. I will be praying for Joey and Kitty's recovery. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Not yet. She is at the vet tonight. They could not get urine today. So they are going to get urine, and they syringe fed her for today. I do syringe feed her, but she vomits it up about half the time. I think if she does not have diabetes, then they will run a thyroid. He is ruling out one thing at a time. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's her liver -- is she on IV? I would ask the vet to give her IV and flush it out and it's very very important to you syringe feed her --it might be the beginning of fatty liver disease as she was a pretty good size kitty before she lost weight.. Get SAMe from the health food store right away and give 100 mg or so to her every day and also milk thisle (herb) - I use non alcohol tincture type .. TBIL is also high normal range -that means she has a bit of bile duct problem.. thought it's not that bad right now.. IV will really help her - I lost more than a couple of kitties to liver disease as I did not notice the problem right away.. but kitty's liver function is not that bad according to blood -- did they not run thyroid test to rule out any thyroid problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Yes, Kitty's bloodwork (they called her Kitty for 12 years so who am I to change it). ALB 3.0 ALKP 294 ALT 78 AMYL 849 BUN 39 CA 10.6 CHOL 155 CREA 1.1 GLOB 6.0 GLU 171 PHOS 5.6 TBIL 0.3 TP 9.0 He has written hypothyroidism, chronic hepatitis, lipiodosis, and some other stuf I can't read. WBC 16.09 LYM 0.93 MONO 2.39 NEU 12.28 EOS 0.40 BASO 0.10 HCT 35.4 RBC 7.43 HGB 14.7 HGH 14.7 RETIC 26.9 MCV 47.6 RDW 20.1 MCH 19.79 PLT 517 MPV 11.26 PCT 0.6 PDW 23.0 On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you post your female kitty's blood work anyway? Your vet may not have much experience with FIP if he did not say anything about it by looking at the blood work - and lots of vets don't know how to look at the blood result for FIP illness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey You might also want to start giving him a sub Q fluid (may be every other day - like 100 cc??) as some of his kidney values are high normal range - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: More info on Joey Do you have bilburin values? Did THL mean TBL? His TP/Gloub is very high? Did he get tested for the corona virus titers? I am a bit concerned that this mimics some of the blood work from the kitties I lost to FIP (anemia, high globulin and low ALB and high AMYL), but he is not a young kitty -but I would ask for the corona virus titer just to see what it is though there is no definitive answers on it either -- I have lots of kitties with high corona titer who don't have FIP, and lower titer and have had FIP.. but trying to eliminate what we can eliminate. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More info on Joey Ok, here is his other bloodwork. ALB 2.5 ALKP 25 ALT 43 AMYL 1743 BUN 48 CA 9.8 CHOL 209 CREA 1.5 GLOB 7.5 GLU 146 PHOS 5.4 THL 0.7 TP 10.1 I had Blood Chemistry and CBC on his female buddy done...I have the result in the car but they are inconclusive. So we are waiting for urine to see if it is diabetes or not. On 4/11/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry, I did not minimize your concerns by any means --- since my
more info on the FeLV military cat: VA / IN
-- Forwarded message -- From: Fletcher, Katherine HT3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Dec 3, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Kitty info To: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] My cat Cleo is a 2 year old calico female. She is located in Norfolk, VA. Also I am willing to take her anywhere around Kendalville, IN, since that is where my mom lives. She is kind of skitish but very loving and cuddly at night. I don't know about dog or kid friendly since I've never seen her around either. She does get along well with my other cat Kallie. If there is anything else that could be of use let me know please. Thank you. ~Katie -Original Message- From: TenHouseCats [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:07 PM To: Fletcher, Katherine HT3; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: your FeLV kitty hi, katie (and her mom!) i've posted your request for a foster on two of the FeLV-specific lists (in addition to the ones where linda mercer posted)-- where is the cat? and how old, etc.--that'll make it easier for folks to know if they can help out. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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We are all under a death sentence from the day we are born. No one knows when she is going to leave this world. The trick is to enjoy every moment you have with Samantha. To hold her and love her and give her every treat she wants and every cuddle she wants. Neither you nor she nor the doctors know how long she will be around (refer to the email I sent earlier about the 15 months The Royal Princess Kitty Katt lived when she was expected to live 2-3 months). Do not rush Samantha's leaving. Kitty made it very plain that she wanted to leave this world all by herself. Watching her do that was extremely painful for me but, despite how weak she was, it was not painful for her and it gave her time with the person (my Mom) she chose to live with---and gave Mom time with Kitty. I learned a lot from Kitty Katt. And I am still learning. Every time I tell her story I realize I have learned so much from her. Take what I can tell you and try hard to apply it to your relationship with Samantha. Enjoy the present. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: More info Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006
Re: More info
Julia, I think you are making the right decision for Samantha. I want to reiterate asking your local vet about the depo/dex shots for Samantha to keep her comfortable as her health fails. Unfortunately, sometimes money is a deciding factor in the treatment for our furbabies, which can really hurt. I had the same problem when my Cricket was sick, deciding whether or not to give him a 300-400$ transfusion just to prolong his life for a few weeks, when he would most likely go right back to suffering. If I had had the money, I would have transfused, but as it was, we already had spent about $800. So I totally know how you feel about this, and you should not feel guilty. Whether we like it or not, money IS an issue. Bless your heart. Losing your husband and now your Samantha is sick too. I am sorry you and Samantha are going through this. You have the right, selfless attitude about letting her go when it's time. If you need anything at all, or just need to talk/vent, please post. We're here for you. :) Wendy --- Julia Hagstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: More info
The depo/dex shots, besides making them more comfortable, actually does shrink lymphoma. The vet who taught me the regimen said that she sometimes saw cats with lymphoma go 6 months on these shots alone. When my Simon came out of remission from chemo and was too sick to get more chemo, these shots shrunk the lymphoma enough for him to get better enough to getmore chemo again. So it is a (gentle) form of chemo in itself. Michelle In a message dated 6/20/2006 5:45:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I want to reiterate asking your local vetabout the depo/dex shots for Samantha to keep hercomfortable as her health fails.
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Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia
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Julia, Don't ever say 'this is all I can do'--what you're doing is wonderful! Samantha is loved and well cared for. That's more than so many kitties have... Make her as comfortable as you can, give her lots of hugs--that's what she needs right now. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Hagstrom Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: More info Nina and Belinda, I took my kitty to the Cancer Center today, and yes, she saw a specialist, a Dr. who was filling in for Dr. Harris while she's on vacation, and really knows her stuff. :) She made sure that the problem is lymphoma, and said it is hiding in her lymph nodes, which is why she couldn't see the mass clearly on the X-ray we brought from my regular vet (the vet I've been taking her to since I got her). Unfortunately, when a tumor gets into the lymph nodes and then the bones, it is a death sentence. I know this because it's also what happened to my husband; he died of bladder cancer, when the second tumor was in his body cavity, and surgery wasn't an option. While he was trying to decide whether to take more aggressive chemo for it, after having the tumor shrunk to the size of a golfball by chemo and radiation, the tumor grew back very fast, and got into his lymph nodes and bones. His Dr.s knew that it was the end for him, and he was dead within a week's time after that. That's why I know that, no matter what I do, Samantha will die, and I just don't see the point of doing the chemo and radiation when it will only prolong her life by a few months, not a very long time at all. If it were longer, I would consider it, but I haven't got a job, right now, and so money has to be a very big consideration, whether I want it to be or not. It would cost about $1500.00 for just the radiation treatments, because that was the estimate they gave me today, on top of the cost of her visit and treatment today. She has been given a short-term chemo injection, and will receive 3 more of these, but they won't last very long, and they will make her comfortable. She is also on Children's Benadryl, to prevent an allergic reaction to the second injection, and Prednisone. I want her to be comfortable for as long as possible, but she isn't very strong, and I don't know how long she'll last. I want to do right by her, but this is all I can do. I won't prolong her life just for my own selfish ends, and I won't keep her with me, if she is suffering greatly; I'll let her go, and set her free. Thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. I've received quite an education from all the Emails I've read from y'all, and will continue to look forward to them. Julia
Re: Angel Wings Update (more info again)
From my contact: - - We only have one FIV+ cat so far [note from Jenn: no FELV+ yet]. And he is a hoss!! Weighs 18 pounds. Beautiful boy. Black and White, VERY VERY scared. I have pictures, but will not have time to download til Sunday. He is very cool boy. We hope that Rehnee will keep surrendering the cats to her trusted rescue. We are testing every cat. No way around it, cost or not. Now the story will be very different if the shelter seizes them. I just hope that they will let other rescue groups intervene. That could go bad, very bad. I see a big kill if that happens. It just scares me to even think about it. You could possibly find FeLV homes also?? I do not know anyone who can/will take them. I am a few others are not afraid of FIV. But if you could get some connections for the Leuk, please!! Hey, I would like to see more info on how contagious the FeLV is. I would love to see that it is not so bad. Yes, I know not to mix the FeLV with anyone. We are trying to get fosters for all, running out. I will set up cages before I will let them be killed. And if we do have to euth, it will be the humane way, I assure you. There are a few groups working on this. Unfortunately, this is the busy kitten season... sigh.. of course. We do have a couple of adoption places that can take 1-2 cats each. Hopefully we can keep the rest in foster care, you know. We will figure out a way. A website for positive cats, how cool. THANK YOU!!! - --- Can you guys send me all of the best webpages you have on the facts of FELV and it's contagiousness? I know there is new info out there that says it is not as contagious as once thought, but I'm running out of research time, and I have a date tonight. I need as much positive info about FELV as I can find to send to this lady, she really wants to help, but is of the older thinking of FELV being a death sentence and always requiring quarantine. She needs info to give to possible fosters so they wont be so scared of FELV. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.6 - Release Date: 6/8/2005
Fwd: [Holisticat] My friend's cat - more info
Message no. 2 Sally in San Jose ---BeginMessage--- Here is more info on my friend's cat who is ill. Does anyone have any ideas?? Technically this is mainly Saturday night's update...But nonetheless... They ran blood work again, and her electrolytes were down. So they went with a different IV than they were planning to (they were going to do an IV with dextrose). They got her on an IV, pain medicine and antibiotic (injectable) and then waited 3-4 hours after I dropped her off, and gave her some cat food by force feeding. She kept it down. I called at 6:00 this morning and the doctor said she had done well for him all night---he had given her more cat food (he said WD --- not AD --- so not sure who makes one called WD or what it is exactly) and that she kept it down. He said she is holding her own. I asked him to level with me and tell me how bad he thinks she is---he said No, ma'am, she's truly holding her own right now.He said he realizes the docs diagnosed hepatic lipidosis, but that they don't know the CAUSE of it. But for now...she's holding her own. Okay---by definition holding her own would not include assisted feeding (grin) but I appreciate what he's trying to say. She's doing the best she can be doing, all things considered. They won't put a tube in her unless she is throwing up and not keeping food down. So...at 6:30 tomorrow morning I go and pick her up from the e-vet and take her back to her regular vet, who is expecting her at 7:00. Wait until he finds out she's been at ER all weekend. WAIT UNTIL HE HEARS THE CONDITION SHE WAS IN WHEN I PICKED HER UP SATURDAY!I really don't think he has any idea she had worsened since he last saw her on Friday night. To me, she is still not jaundiced; to the e-vet, they thought she may be showing a slight tinge to the ears. Alan and I looked agian; we still don't agree. She's a tortie, and she's always had dirty ears --- her ears still looked normal to both of us. We shaded her eat from the hallogen bulbs, and believe it's her natural coloring that we're always used to. So...the dilemma continues. Remember...why she went in to begin with. She wouldn't eat. Took her in; doc said she had a horrible UTI. Prescribed zennequin. We gave her zennequin for about a week---no change. He admitted her for 3 days; when she got out, she was dragging that back leg and limping.He thought they had hit a nerve when giving a shot (the ER vet said she's never done that, in 9 years of practice---thinks something else is going on). Wouldn't eat. Back she went and was boarded a week while the ultrasound and needle biopsy were done (normal except for a few stray white cells). Her pancreas was also deemed to be fine; no kidney problems either. She was on injectable clavamox for a week. Still no change to her UTI or eating. And here we are. :( I am sure doc will put in a feedback tube tomorrow. So I need to know WHICH FEEDING TUBE to go with. Keep in mind: Hope is an overweight cat. Well...okay, she weighs only about 12 pounds, but she's round and wears it all around her middle.She can't get to her rear to clean herself very well. Her neck area is thick.She has a UTI. With all that in mind...which feeding tube might be the way to go?I know doc may do the nose/throat one at the vet to get stuff into her...but is that the best one if she has to have it in 1-4 WEEKS??? Or should we go with one that goes straight to the stomach? Or is the risk of infection too great for that? Ann -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- FONT COLOR=#99In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/EA3HyD/3MnJAA/79vVAA/Zh0wlB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Holisticat/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ---End Message---
