Re: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael
How do I unsubscribe from this Merry-Go-Round? I'm sick of reading about you people slapping at each other. - Original Message From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 4:59:20 PM Subject: RE: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael Ditto from me. Belinda has said nothing inflammatory. Susan takes care of that. tonya MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to get involved in the Kelley situation---enough people are involved as it is. But, Michael, you need to know that you are so, so wrong to say what you do about Belinda. You couldn't be more wrong. Having read numerous of Belinda's posts over the years I have nothing but enormous respect for her and her knowledge of caring for cats and leukemia cats in particular. I was one FeLV newbie who was hugely grateful in the early days, when I knew nothing about the disease, that she belongs to this list. But she doesn't just belong: For me, two facts in particular demonstrate her commitment: One, Belinda is a co-founder of this group (which for many years was the most wonderfully supportive and generous list anyone could hope to belong to -- it's been very sad and quite remarkable to see what just one person's ill-conceived remarks can do to start the ball rolling in the opposite direction. The group is a shambles now; I won't disagree with that). Two, Belinda initiated and maintains the Candlelight Service. When 4 of my FeLV cats succumbed over time to the disease, being able to memorialize them on the list was the most wonderful comfort (and still is). I have Belinda to thank for that, as many of us do. Kerry M. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure You know, I'm going to try and breathe and count to ten before I respond to this post. Actually, no, I don't think I will. I posted an emotionally neutral, nonspecific post in response to that rubbish you've been spouting off, and you attack me. Prepare thyself for my response. You, and a couple of others on this list, seem to try and bully everyone else into thinking the way you do. I don't think you have the cat's best interest at heart. I think you have your clique in your sights, the people you like for whatever reason, and the hell with everything else, including the facts. Does this group not have a moderator? I assure you, as small as my group is, this kind of thing is not and would not be tolerated. You have been so negative. Both here and on other lists we are both on. I don't get it. I don't understand how this type of behavior is benefitting you. What do you get out of it? How the hell is it so easy to look over the fact that a judge agreed with animal control on the situation? Contrary to what you want to believe, I seriously doubt animal control had a vendetta against Kelly. Or anyone else for thatmatter. I don't know who the hell you think you are, but let me state very clearly for you I don't personlly care what you, or anyone else on this list who defends that type of hoarding, says or thinks about me. My *only* concern is for the safety, health and welfare of ALL of God's little creatures...what you think of me for that is of no consequence to me. Quite frankly, you're just not important enough to matter. How dare you call *me* naive? What's funny to me is you choose to be so damn conspiracy theorist as to say the judge is corrupt, animal control is corrupt, the news is corrupt, they're all out to get poor little Kelly Jesus, Lady. What kind of world are you living! in? You can stand by whatever you want to. I hope that email you sent to Jim gets some attention, indeed, because I absolutely will be unsubscribing after this. I don't need to have to listen to people like you. I have enough of a real life and real issues to deal with without putting up with this insanity. It is NOT ok for someone to use this group as a fundraising campaign, and then have two (all I've seen so far is two, that should tell you something) people defending her and trying to crush any opposing viewpoint. You think that shows maturity to email the list owner and ask on a public forum for someone to be removed because you don't like them? I'll copy the list owner as well, just so I'll feel important and special too. You can believe whoever you want and whatever you want, but so far the evidence has been provided by animal control and not Kelly (at least I haven't seen any pictures of a clean house either, have you?) I don't know Sheila, or Susan personally, but I know Sheila's sanctuary took in 15 of the cats. What have YOU Done to help the situation other than spout off? Ya know what, bottom line is there are too many other useful sources of information out there to put
RE: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael
Ditto from me. Belinda has said nothing inflammatory. Susan takes care of that. tonya MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to get involved in the Kelley situation---enough people are involved as it is. But, Michael, you need to know that you are so, so wrong to say what you do about Belinda. You couldn't be more wrong. Having read numerous of Belinda's posts over the years I have nothing but enormous respect for her and her knowledge of caring for cats and leukemia cats in particular. I was one FeLV newbie who was hugely grateful in the early days, when I knew nothing about the disease, that she belongs to this list. But she doesn't just belong: For me, two facts in particular demonstrate her commitment: One, Belinda is a co-founder of this group (which for many years was the most wonderfully supportive and generous list anyone could hope to belong to -- it's been very sad and quite remarkable to see what just one person's ill-conceived remarks can do to start the ball rolling in the opposite direction. The group is a shambles now; I won't disagree with that). Two, Belinda initiated and maintains the Candlelight Service. When 4 of my FeLV cats succumbed over time to the disease, being able to memorialize them on the list was the most wonderful comfort (and still is). I have Belinda to thank for that, as many of us do. Kerry M. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure You know, I'm going to try and breathe and count to ten before I respond to this post. Actually, no, I don't think I will. I posted an emotionally neutral, nonspecific post in response to that rubbish you've been spouting off, and you attack me. Prepare thyself for my response. You, and a couple of others on this list, seem to try and bully everyone else into thinking the way you do. I don't think you have the cat's best interest at heart. I think you have your clique in your sights, the people you like for whatever reason, and the hell with everything else, including the facts. Does this group not have a moderator? I assure you, as small as my group is, this kind of thing is not and would not be tolerated. You have been so negative. Both here and on other lists we are both on. I don't get it. I don't understand how this type of behavior is benefitting you. What do you get out of it? How the hell is it so easy to look over the fact that a judge agreed with animal control on the situation? Contrary to what you want to believe, I seriously doubt animal control had a vendetta against Kelly. Or anyone else for thatmatter. I don't know who the hell you think you are, but let me state very clearly for you I don't personlly care what you, or anyone else on this list who defends that type of hoarding, says or thinks about me. My *only* concern is for the safety, health and welfare of ALL of God's little creatures...what you think of me for that is of no consequence to me. Quite frankly, you're just not important enough to matter. How dare you call *me* naive? What's funny to me is you choose to be so damn conspiracy theorist as to say the judge is corrupt, animal control is corrupt, the news is corrupt, they're all out to get poor little Kelly Jesus, Lady. What kind of world are you living! in? You can stand by whatever you want to. I hope that email you sent to Jim gets some attention, indeed, because I absolutely will be unsubscribing after this. I don't need to have to listen to people like you. I have enough of a real life and real issues to deal with without putting up with this insanity. It is NOT ok for someone to use this group as a fundraising campaign, and then have two (all I've seen so far is two, that should tell you something) people defending her and trying to crush any opposing viewpoint. You think that shows maturity to email the list owner and ask on a public forum for someone to be removed because you don't like them? I'll copy the list owner as well, just so I'll feel important and special too. You can believe whoever you want and whatever you want, but so far the evidence has been provided by animal control and not Kelly (at least I haven't seen any pictures of a clean house either, have you?) I don't know Sheila, or Susan personally, but I know Sheila's sanctuary took in 15 of the cats. What have YOU Done to help the situation other than spout off? Ya know what, bottom line is there are too many other useful sources of information out there to put up with people like you who try to police a group (without ANY official standing whatsoever). I really do hope this group owner pays some attention to what's been going on, and sets some ground rules. I never once, not from the beginning
Re: detailed video of seizure
This is a very disturbing report. When and how does rescue morph into abuse and unspeakable neglect? This is a tragedy that has unfolded before all of us. I am sickened by the details and the silence that surrounds this. I hope that each one of these cats will get the attention and care that they deserve. I hope everyone involved in supporting or perpetuating this rescue will deal with reality of the aberration and deception behind it. I hope that Kelley can give up caring for cats until she gets the spiritual, emotional and psychological help she needs to care for herself. Jane Lyons On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/pages/Home/ Detail;jsessionid=73B37C7EB953F92DE72091AC38484F0C? contentId=4971854version=1locale=EN- USlayoutCode=VSTYpageId=1.1.1sflg=1 Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent
Re: detailed video of seizure
I just wanted to second this, Jane.? Regardless of people's feelings for Susan OR Kelly, the fact remains that this story was done by a reputable news organization.?The story isn't made up.?I highly doubt?a news organization would use fabricated stories.???The media is, by its nature, supposed to be impartial reporters of facts.?The video footage isn't made up, and I just find it hard to believe the humane society (or any other organization for that matter) would remove animals without justification.? AND add to that the fact that the animals *were* removed, and obviously with enough evidence that the judge ordered their removal to be permanent.? Of course, some people will see what they want to see in the situation. Some will side with both parties.? But I think the important thing to remember is a) they would not likely have removed the animals without just cause and b) a judge certainly wouldn't have allowed them to stay removed without justification.? If you don't believe anyone involved in the story, logic would demand that you trust the impartial judge in the case to have made the right decision in not allowing any more animals back in the home (with the exception of three personal cats). I echo the sentiments?of those of you that?pray for healing.? For the kitties, and for Kelly, as well as anyone else who's involved in this, emotionally or physically.? Its a tough situation.? But lets not attack each other, or discredit any stories because of the source.? You seriously need to consider the content of the material (including what I'm sure is public record if anyone wants to obtain a copy from the Courthouse) and not the messenger. Michael -Original Message- From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Carol Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; asr [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 2:10 pm Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure This is a very disturbing report. When and how does rescue morph into abuse and unspeakable neglect? This is a tragedy that has unfolded before all of us. I am sickened by the details and the silence that surrounds this. I hope that each one of these cats will get the attention and care that they deserve. I hope everyone involved in supporting or perpetuating this rescue will deal with reality of the aberration and deception behind it. I hope that Kelley can give up caring for cats until she gets the spiritual, emotional and psychological help she needs to care for herself. Jane Lyons On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=73B37C7EB953F92DE72091AC38484F0C?contentId=4971854version=1locale=EN-USlayoutCode=VSTYpageId=1.1.1sflg=1 ? Susan J. DuBose? ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net ? As Cleopatra lay in state, ?? Faithful Bast at her side did wait, ?? Purring welcomes of soft applause, ?? Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent ? ? ? ? = Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
Re: detailed video of seizure
Hi Jim, I wrote a month or so ago about the emergency fund and never heard back from you. I hope your OK. Susan Duboise is starting trouble on the list again, of which I mistakenly fell victim to as well as others. Some wondered if it wasn't a good idea to remove or at least moderate her posts, she is a trouble maker there's not doubt about that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: detailed video of seizure
I'm trying to be impartial about this -- while the news footage looks incriminating, it's true that there aren't any shots of where the cats were actually living, and vindictiveness has been known to happen among different factions of the rescue community. If the accusations against Kelley turn out to be false, she wouldn't be the first animal advocate to be persecuted unjustly. And while news is *supposed* to be impartial, we all know it is so very NOT. And this news report is from Fox, arguably the most blatantly biased and sensationalistic news source in the universe. The cats shown did not look to be in distress. Given that they were supposedly filmed a few days after the seizure, that also makes me wonder why Fox wasn't right on the spot at the time of the seizure. Seems strange that they waited a few days to do the story if it was that horrendous a seizure. They're usually all over that kind of thing. That being said, I truly would like to know the story behind the dead cat in the closet and the dying one in the kitchen. Even if Kelley's home is not as bad as the news story painted it, the fact of these two untended kitties would suggest that Kelley has more than she can properly care for. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure OH really how about the high and mighty Dan Rather getting fired over a story that was completely fabricated, come on open your eyes the news is very baised about what they report and they love to twist things to be the way they want them to be ... regardless of people's feelings for Susan OR Kelly, the fact remains that this story was done by a reputable news organization. The story isn't made up. PS. With all the political corruptness in the world how can you be so naive? Just because someone is a judge or vet or any other professional doesn't make them honest. If you don't believe anyone involved in the story, logic would demand that you trust the impartial judge in the case to have made the right decision in not allowing any more animals back in the home (with the exception of three personal cats). I stand by what I said, when they do a story here about this type of thing, they show the inside of the house they raid and back up what they are saying. It's funny how Susan has been absent from the list until she had someone to tear apart again. Speaks volumes ... -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: detailed video of seizure
You know, I'm going to try and breathe and count to ten before I respond to this post.? Actually, no, I don't think I will.? I posted an emotionally neutral, nonspecific post in response to that rubbish you've been spouting off, and you attack me. Prepare thyself for my response.? You, and a couple of others on this list, seem to try and bully everyone else into thinking the way you do.? I don't think you have the cat's best interest at heart.? I think you have your clique in your sights, the people you like for whatever reason, and the hell with everything else, including the facts. Does this group not have a moderator?? I assure you, as small as my group is, this kind of thing is not and would not be tolerated.? You have been so negative.? Both here and on other lists we are both on.? I don't get it.? I don't understand how this type of behavior is benefitting you. What do you get out of it? How the hell is it so easy to look over the fact that a judge agreed with animal control on the situation?? Contrary to what you want to believe, I seriously doubt animal control had a vendetta against Kelly.? Or anyone else for thatmatter.? I don't know who the hell you think you are, but let me state very clearly for you I don't personlly care what you, or anyone else on this list who defends that type of hoarding, says or thinks about me.?My *only* concern is?for the safety, health and welfare of ALL of God's little creatures...what you think of me for that is of no consequence to me. Quite frankly, you're? just not important?enough to matter.?How dare you call *me* naive?? What's funny to me is you choose to be so damn?conspiracy theorist?as to say the judge is corrupt, animal control is corrupt, the news is corrupt, they're all out to get poor little Kelly? Jesus, Lady.? What kind of world are you living in?? You can stand by whatever you want to.? I hope that email you sent to Jim gets some attention, indeed, because I absolutely will be unsubscribing after this.? I don't need to have to listen to people like you.? I have enough of a real life and real issues to deal with without putting up with this insanity. It is NOT ok for someone to use this group as a fundraising campaign, and then have two (all I've seen so far is two, that should tell you something) people defending her and trying to crush any opposing viewpoint.? You think that shows maturity to email the list owner and ask on a public forum for someone to be removed because you don't like them??? I'll copy the list owner as well, just so I'll feel important and special too.? You can believe whoever you want and whatever you want, but so far the evidence has been provided by animal control and not Kelly (at least I haven't seen any pictures of a clean house either, have you?)? I don't know Sheila, or Susan personally, but I know Sheila's sanctuary took in 15 of the cats.? What have YOU Done to help the situation other than spout off? Ya know what, bottom line is there are too many other useful sources of information out there to put up with people like you who try to police a group (without ANY official standing whatsoever).? I really do hope this group owner pays some attention to what's been going on, and sets some ground rules.? I never once, not from the beginning, sided with anyone on this issue, but I am sick and tired of seeing people like Belinda continually attack people they? don't agree with. Again, I'll close with this, anyone interested in joining another (very small) group that IS moderated, have a look at: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineLeukemia/ And in the interest of full disclosure, this is my group that I started after the last blowup here, and it is moderated by mysef, but I assure?you, no dissenting opinions are attacked or silenced there as they have notoriously been here. A very disgusted and disappointed FeLV+ cat owner, Michael -Original Message- From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 2:46 pm Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure ?? OH really how about the high and mighty Dan Rather getting fired over a story that was completely fabricated, come on open your eyes the news is very baised about what they report and they love to twist things to be the way they want them to be ... regardless of people's feelings for Susan OR Kelly, the fact remains that this story was done by a reputable news organization.?The story isn't made up. PS.? With all the political corruptness in the world how can you be so naive?? Just because someone is a judge or vet or any other professional doesn't make them honest. If you don't believe anyone involved in the story, logic would demand that you trust the impartial judge in the case to have made the right decision in not allowing any more animals back in the home (with the exception of three personal cats). I stand by what I said, when they do a story here
RE: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael
I'm not going to get involved in the Kelley situation---enough people are involved as it is. But, Michael, you need to know that you are so, so wrong to say what you do about Belinda. You couldn't be more wrong. Having read numerous of Belinda's posts over the years I have nothing but enormous respect for her and her knowledge of caring for cats and leukemia cats in particular. I was one FeLV newbie who was hugely grateful in the early days, when I knew nothing about the disease, that she belongs to this list. But she doesn't just belong: For me, two facts in particular demonstrate her commitment: One, Belinda is a co-founder of this group (which for many years was the most wonderfully supportive and generous list anyone could hope to belong to -- it's been very sad and quite remarkable to see what just one person's ill-conceived remarks can do to start the ball rolling in the opposite direction. The group is a shambles now; I won't disagree with that). Two, Belinda initiated and maintains the Candlelight Service. When 4 of my FeLV cats succumbed over time to the disease, being able to memorialize them on the list was the most wonderful comfort (and still is). I have Belinda to thank for that, as many of us do. Kerry M. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure You know, I'm going to try and breathe and count to ten before I respond to this post. Actually, no, I don't think I will. I posted an emotionally neutral, nonspecific post in response to that rubbish you've been spouting off, and you attack me. Prepare thyself for my response. You, and a couple of others on this list, seem to try and bully everyone else into thinking the way you do. I don't think you have the cat's best interest at heart. I think you have your clique in your sights, the people you like for whatever reason, and the hell with everything else, including the facts. Does this group not have a moderator? I assure you, as small as my group is, this kind of thing is not and would not be tolerated. You have been so negative. Both here and on other lists we are both on. I don't get it. I don't understand how this type of behavior is benefitting you. What do you get out of it? How the hell is it so easy to look over the fact that a judge agreed with animal control on the situation? Contrary to what you want to believe, I seriously doubt animal control had a vendetta against Kelly. Or anyone else for thatmatter. I don't know who the hell you think you are, but let me state very clearly for you I don't personlly care what you, or anyone else on this list who defends that type of hoarding, says or thinks about me. My *only* concern is for the safety, health and welfare of ALL of God's little creatures...what you think of me for that is of no consequence to me. Quite frankly, you're just not important enough to matter. How dare you call *me* naive? What's funny to me is you choose to be so damn conspiracy theorist as to say the judge is corrupt, animal control is corrupt, the news is corrupt, they're all out to get poor little Kelly Jesus, Lady. What kind of world are you living! in? You can stand by whatever you want to. I hope that email you sent to Jim gets some attention, indeed, because I absolutely will be unsubscribing after this. I don't need to have to listen to people like you. I have enough of a real life and real issues to deal with without putting up with this insanity. It is NOT ok for someone to use this group as a fundraising campaign, and then have two (all I've seen so far is two, that should tell you something) people defending her and trying to crush any opposing viewpoint. You think that shows maturity to email the list owner and ask on a public forum for someone to be removed because you don't like them? I'll copy the list owner as well, just so I'll feel important and special too. You can believe whoever you want and whatever you want, but so far the evidence has been provided by animal control and not Kelly (at least I haven't seen any pictures of a clean house either, have you?) I don't know Sheila, or Susan personally, but I know Sheila's sanctuary took in 15 of the cats. What have YOU Done to help the situation other than spout off? Ya know what, bottom line is there are too many other useful sources of information out there to put up with people like you who try to police a group (without ANY official standing whatsoever). I really do hope this group owner pays some attention to what's been going on, and sets some ground rules. I never once, not from the beginning, sided with anyone on this issue, but I am sick and tired of seeing people like Belinda continually attack people they don't agree with. Again, I'll close with this, anyone interested in joining another (very small) group that IS moderated
RE: detailed video of seizure
Does ANYONE HAVE A LINk to the news articles or video for this story? Thanks, Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1140 - Release Date: 11/19/2007 7:05 PM
