Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
What are his symptoms? tonya Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. Im just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. Hes content I think. Im just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
I used epogen (same thing as procrit) when my Bailey was anemic along with prenisolone because we suspected the virus was in his bone marrow supressing his immune system and interfering with blood building. We reversed his anemia with this combo. Procrit used in humans is at a much, much higher does and shouldn't scare anyone off from using it with cats that are anemic, any cats with CRF end up using it in the later stages as the kidney disease eventually interferes with the production of erythropoietin which the Epogen, Procrit and the new drug called Aranesp help to produce. In my mind your cat WILL die if the enemia isn't reversed period, so if there is something that may help what have you got to lose?? Below paragraph my opinion (based on what my vet told me when I asked her about this): PS. Has your cat been on a minimum 4 to 6 week course of Doxocycline for possible hemobartonella? Even if he tested negative he should have gotten this (my opinion). Hemo is very hard to test for and many cats tests negative again and again before it is finally found. Though they are never cured of hemo the doxy will put it into remission. If they don't have it it isn't going to hurt to get the doxy but my very well save their life if they have an undiagnosed case of hemo. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I have experienced BOTH having a feleuk positive cat die at home and a feleuk positive one I thought was dying survive. The difference? The one who I thought was dying (it was Isabella who is doing GREAT NOW) continued to eat. She wasn't eating as much but still defecating and eating SOME. She was miserable. She had many other symptoms (high temp, anemia, spasms or seizures, pain or false pain, hiding). I called the vet one day when I was sick with worry and asked if it was time. He said not if she is still eating. This was over a month ago and she is (for now) symptom free ~ we found the right combination of meds, etc. I had no idea Stripes was dying (my first cat to die so I didn't know anything about it). Wasn't eating or drinking. We took him to vet every day or so for fluids and vitamins. He later changed locations and laid in his litter box for a couple days (or so?). I regret deeply putting him through this. When I finally realized he was dying- when he started having trouble breathing and was coughing. I called the vet to have him euthanized. We went outside to dig his grave while waiting for the vet and when we came back in he had died. This is my experience and I will never have a cat suffer to death again. I wish you and your kitty Moeman the best, Laurie
Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Hi, Beckie - I have my own idea for what is a typical course -- it is not the kitties who have a major, identifiable problem, such as lymphoma or anemia. It is the ones who seem generally fine and then just begin to go downhill -- lose weight, become lethargic - and continue to go downhill. That isn't a technical description or a medical one, it is just my own idea after a number of years having a number of feline leukemia kitties. I will keep Moeman in my prayers. Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think the Moeman is dying. Im just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. Hes content I think. Im just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
RE: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Beckie, My heart goes out to you and poor Moe. How devastating. I don't have any experience with this, but I will keep you and all those others going through these troubles in my thoughts and prayers. Best, Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
RE: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
I'm so sorry, Becky. I'm not able to keep up with the list much these days, so I don't know Moeman's history, and don't know if there's a chance he will rebound---it does happen---but if not, I'm just glad that you're there for your darling Moeman, and that he knows what it is to be so loved and cared for. All mine (4 of them) have passed away at the vet office or emergency clinic (euthanasia), after I took them there in a panic, hoping yet again for a turnaround, so I don't know how it happens when no intervention takes place. I do know that I would have preferred they pass away at home, in familiar suroundings, and in their own time. From what I've heard on the list however, I believe you're right---assuming he no longer wants food or water, he'll become progressively weaker. Please know my thoughts and prayers are with you both. Being with Moeman at this time, and letting him know how much you love and cherish him, is the greatest gift you can bestow on him. much love and big hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Look at his gums and see if they're white rather than pink. That means anemia. Might talk to the vet about that. Is he breathing heavily? I've had several go from mediatinal lymphoma, and they collect fluid in the chest cavity, causing breathing problems. Those are the only two ways mine have passed on. hope this helps - sending good thoughts foryou and Moeman. Gloria At 11:27 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Look at his gums and see if they're white rather than pink. That means anemia. Might talk to the vet about that. Is he breathing heavily? I've had several go from mediatinal lymphoma, and they collect fluid in the chest cavity, causing breathing problems. Those are the only two ways mine have passed on. hope this helps - sending good thoughts foryou and Moeman. Gloria At 11:27 AM 8/24/2007, you wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
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im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her ashes. That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest where she would lay all the time. Only then was I able to sleep. I tell you about it because I do believe that all those living have souls and we can call upon them when we need. And not in a distant way like they are far off in heaven but that they are they present around us all the time. The
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he
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Jenna your story of your beautiful Satine has me in tears.It is the hardest thing to go through when you love them so much.She was lucky to have the both of you.I went through it with my Maizee Grace almost 2 years ago and this really hit me hard. Sherry Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again when we got her ashes. That night I could not relax to sleep. Eventually I felt (and you may think me crazy) her presence in the room. I felt a warmth on my chest
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Marylyn I know Maizee visited me on several ocassions and it did make me feel loved.And I believe Maizee had a paw in my 4 boys and baby girl to pick me too. Sherry Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side
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Beckie, I amsorry about Moeman.. I thnk there are several ways they can pass,w/felv. Yes, they can just get weaker weaker finally pass away. Serenity passed away of wet FIP , but we used euth.to help her along since she was clearly suffering. (Extremely swollen, lethargic, trouble breathing obvious distress). IfMoeman is not suffering, by allmeans let himgo @ home, surrounded by you all the love that you have to give him. And I agree, there comes a time when no more pokes or prods are in order, and it sounds like you know what's best for him already. We are here for you Moeman. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Beckie McRae To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been?
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Dear Becky, I certainly do not have all the answers, but I can draw from my experiences over the years. It is usually true that when a cat stops eating, it can mean they are near the end. BUT, something happened to me last year that made me think twice. Whiskers stopped eating. She is CRF, and had a bladder or kidney infection . Anyway, she would NOT eat. It took me 2 mo. of force feeding her before she ate on her own. She is still with me. I did this with the encouragement of my vet, BTW. Spud if FIV, and has severe stomatitis. My vet treated him for Toxo. although she was at a loss as to what was really going on. His HCT was down to 12. I force fed him for 6 wks. He is still with me. His HCT is 22 now...not perfect, but doable. In June my FeLV kitty, KI stopped eating. Bloodwork was almost normal. I was force feeding, when all of a sudden, his abdoman filled with fluid. It was probably FIP, and he was having trouble breathing, so I elected to PTS. I am in the country now, and there is NO ER care nearby. 2 wks ago, My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim stopped eating. Bloodwork looked pretty good. Force fed, but he continued to get thinner. When his eyes and gums turned yellow, they examined him again, and found a mass in his kidney, and one in his pancreas. We elected to PTS. I guess what I am saying is that every cat and situation is different. Sometimes we never do figure out what is wrong. It is just something you reason out, and look at the whole cat, and how they're reacting to the treatment they are getting. I have learned one thing though, you need to give them 60cc of food 3 times a day. God bless you both. Dede --- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorrybutplease indulge
I'm very glad that I could help, Glenda.. Pat - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorrybutplease indulge Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence
To Jenna: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge
Jenna, Your story about beautiful Satine made me cry. I mean this in a good way. Thanks for sharing. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49:04 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on a sunday. Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love and she would always be loved. He said she picked her head up and meowed at him. He said he thinks she knew what he was saying and that she was waiting for him to be okay before she left. I agree with this. He hugged each other and cried a long time. I had put her carrier together before hand in preperation for when I would need it. I picked her up to put her in it. Her body was totally slack and her head fell all the way back like a rag doll when I picked her up. (I'm telling you this so you can be ready for it)I held her to my chest and cried- no wept - over her- and i cried hard- for a long time. I put her in the carrier and covered the front of it with a towel. My husband called the vet and said that she had passed. We took her to the vet and picked out an urn for her and left her there to pick her up again
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Hi Beckie, Since kitties don't technically die from the FeLV, but from FeLV related illnesses, the only way to know how your kitty might pass is what he is actually sick from. Is it anemia? I'm sorry you guys are going through this. Prayers going out for comfort and strength for both of you. Thanks, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27:19 AM Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? I think the Moeman is dying. I’m just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He’s content I think. I’m just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
