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Thanks Michelle,Although your explanation is kind of depressing! I thought that's ALDF did pay attorneys in various areas to take cases such as this. I thought that's where the membership money went. I realize theyare always going to bemore than overwhelmed, as is everyone who works with any kind of animal issues, but I thought if a lot of people donated money to them FOR Hideyo's case it would be a cheaper way to goAlso, I think the limit laws ARE unconstitutional and I think it does need to go to Federal Court. (Not Hideyo's case specifically, but limits in general) We have a few attorneys here in the Atlanta area that take on animal cases, and they wouldn't work totally pro bono either, but I'm sure they would do the best they could. I hope this attorney will take Hideyo's case in the same manner. I think I mentioned I've known of several in my area that had to go through this. Some moved. One moved animals around for a while and skirted the issue, etc They were not personal friends so I don't know the specifics. I do know that it cost them a lot of money with attorneys and they got basically nowhere. :(That's why I'd like to see it go to court as being unconstitutional. Which it is!!! If it's not unconstitutional for people to have as many children as they want thenI don't see a difference. It p*sses me off totally!t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, The only way something like this would go to the federal level, probably, is if every level of a state court upheld the law and it was appealed to the U.S. Supreme court on federal constitutional grounds. It would be possible to sue a city in federal court to begin with on federal constitutional grounds, but for various reasons legally that would probably not be the way to go-- state court is. And in Hideyo's case, where she is appealing a municpal court decision under a state law that allows such appeals to go to state court, it would be very complicated and not recommended to go to federal court. As for ALDF, they only have one or two lawyers at this point, in CA, and they are deep into other cases. The network they have of member attorneys (like me) is simply that, a network. They apparently do not even refer members of the public to attorneys in their network, because that is not what people sign up for when they sign up as members-- they just sign up to get updates and be part of the organization, not have their info given out to members of the public with particular cases. ALDF was willing to give me two names because I am actually an attorney member, and I called them but one was retired and the other was not working in the same place anymore. The attorney I found for Hideyo is an ALDF member, but for some reason ALDF did not even give me her name and number, I got it from Alley Cat Allies. And I would bet for sure that she is the only ALDF attorney member in Albuquerque-- she does not know of any others. She did offer to make a few calls for Hideyo for free, but because she is trying to make a living doing exclusively animal law (which is great! and rare!), she does need to charge her clients or she will not be able to make a living and will have to go back to doing another kind of law for pay. And every animal law related client is going to be someone who we would think should get pro bono services-- a rescuer, a shelter, a person with an animal in a bad situation, etc. If she did them all for free she could not do this work as her main job. Plus she spends a lot of time, on her own without pay, trying to get a TNR ordinance passed in Albuquerque, so she really does need to do paid work the rest of the time. So I totally understand why she can not do it pro bono. I would bet she will not charge Hideyo as much as a run of the mill lawyer would, though-- we will have to see what they work out. Hope that helps explain the situation,MichelleIn a message dated 12/23/2005 10:01:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hideyo,I can't believe ALDF won't find someone to take your case pro bono. I am a member. Maybe if all of us wrote ALDF on your behalf they would reconsider?I will be glad to add to your fund as well in the meantime, but it's going to have to be after the holidays. I have mail stacked to the ceiling and don't even know how much money I do (or don't, lol) have until I sit down and get my checkbook in order! But I know I have some money for your cause.Plus if you could win this case it would help others who live with these ridiculous laws, like where I live. Our county limit is 8 animals. I would LOVE to see someone take it to court! And really, I can't believe no one has done this before (like ALDF) and got it to a federal level. In my opinion it's unconstitutional!t
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Also, if it could go to federal court I would think a lot of groups would jump on the bandwagon. I'm just surprised no one has done thist[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please see my email about this. Hideyo has the one ALDF attorney in Albuquerque at this point. MichelleIn a message dated 12/23/2005 10:08:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:What do you guys think about us all contacting ALDF on Hideyo's behalf? I know I could crosspost this to all my animal organizations and get lots of contacts, unless you think this is a bad idea?t
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I'm not saying Hideyo's case should be in federal court. I'm just saying I do think it's unconstitutional, and I'm surprised it has notbeen pushed to that level. I think it's because most people who work in animal rescue have no deep pockets. :(t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, There is no legal organization in the country that pays local attorneys to take cases, and ALDF certainly doesn't. They have an office with, I think, an ED, 2 lawyers, and one or more administrative staff, and that is a lot of costs. Then there are the costs of the litigation that they do, which is large-- discovery, depositions, trial preparation, hiring expert witnesses, etc., as well as speaking engagements (they don't get paid for them usually-- I know because I brought someone from ALDF to my law school when I was a law student), lobbying, etc. As far as federal court-- there is a lot of legal thought that goes into whether things are better filed in state or federal court. An ordinance or law can be ruled unconstitutional in state court as well as federal court. In state court, you can argue both federal and state constitutional issues, whereas federal courts normally (though not always) avoid ruling on issues of state law. Federal court is usually chosen only in particular situations or where the state courts are really bad and a case can be made in federal court. But again it is a decision that an attorney would make after considering various legal issues. For a nonlawyer to say something should be in federal versus state court is sort of like a nondoctor saying where a surgeon should make a cut in doing surgery. It is a technical issue.MichelleIn a message dated 12/27/2005 11:01:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Thanks Michelle,Although your explanation is kind of depressing! I thought that's ALDF did pay attorneys in various areas to take cases such as this. I thought that's where the membership money went. I realize theyare always going to bemore than overwhelmed, as is everyone who works with any kind of animal issues, but I thought if a lot of people donated money to them FOR Hideyo's case it would be a cheaper way to goAlso, I think the limit laws ARE unconstitutional and I think it does need to go to Federal Court. (Not Hideyo's case specifically, but limits in general) We have a few attorneys here in the Atlanta area that take on animal cases, and they wouldn't work totally pro bono either, but I'm sure they would do the best they could. I hope this attorney will take Hideyo's case in the same manner. I think I mentioned I've known of several in my area that had to go through this. Some moved. One moved animals around for a while and skirted the issue, etc They were not personal friends so I don't know the specifics. I do know that it cost them a lot of money with attorneys and they got basically nowhere. :(That's why I'd like to see it go to court as being unconstitutional. Which it is!!! If it's not unconstitutional for people to have as many children as they want thenI don't see a difference. It p*sses me off totally!t
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It apparently has been pushed to that level in some states-- ALDF sent Hideyo a decision from an appeals court in PA finding a local pet limit ordinance unconstitutional, and there are some from other states also. But there are many different forms of pet limit ordinances, and some are probably unconstitutional and some are probably not, so it is not like there will probably ever be just one decision that clears the issue up in all states regarding all types of ordinances. You are right, though-- there would be more litigation on behalf of animals and rescuers if rescuers had more money. I actually went to law school to do animal law, but I did not want to have my own private practice (I do not want to run a business or work alone) and there are so few positions available to do animal law within an organization, and they are pretty much all in DC or CA, where I do not want to live. So I went into legal aid law instead, working with poor women and kids in legal aid organizations serving humans who do not have enough money to hire lawyers for their own problems. I still think about doing animal law. The HSUS has its regional headquarters right down the road from me, and I am friends with one of the HSUS VP's in the DC office. So I told her I wanted to do some work with the regional office, even for free on a volunteer office, and she was excited and called them to tell them. And I then called and talked to someone and no one called me back. So I went there with my resume and talked to one of the directors and she said she would call me and never did. That was about 2 months ago. And there is literally a TON of large issue stuff going on in NJ, from a bear hunt to changes in the law that are leading to large-scale goose exterminations, to companion animal issues, etc. I never liked HSUS very much, but some stuff they do is good and I wanted to do free work for them. So I am frustrated about that. But for various reasons I do not want to just do pro bono individual animal law cases-- I do not have a private office of my own, I do not have my own malpractice insurance, and I do not have the experience in this area of law to feel confident doing it by myself. I would guess that other lawyers interested in animal law run into similar problems. Michelle In a message dated 12/27/2005 6:30:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not saying Hideyo's case should be in federal court. I'm just saying I do think it's unconstitutional, and I'm surprised it has notbeen pushed to that level. I think it's because most people who work in animal rescue have no deep pockets. :( t
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That is too bad they didn't call you back, but I bet they would love to have you and just can't get calls returned. I don't know. They didn't seem to have it 'all together' with Katrina. And I'm sure they're still in overdrive with that situation. I think when you get so big there's so much burocracy (sp?). I think I've told you all before that somehow my home address and phone got on a website as a local humane society. Joy, joy! I get lots of calls and they always talk about how this or that organization never calls them back. I read about the Jersey bear hunt. :( It sucks. I hate hunting, but something is going to have to be done about bears and particularly deer. I don't think in the forseeable future anyone is going to move toward a humane method of keeping their populations down.The only attorneys I know of that do any animal law do it because they don't need a paycheck basically. We have one attorney here in Atlanta that gave up her practice or her place in a practice and opened her own shelter/rescue. I think she still does some work as an attorney, but mostly not.My vet works with a group of attorneys in the Atlanta area that have formed an organization to take animal cases, but they mostly specialize in abuse.She has gone to classes for crime scene investigation, autopsy, etc for humansthrough local and state police agencies. She gets called in for nearly every case that makes the news in the metro area. Basically they work to push for felony charges on cases. My vet's a hoot. She tried to get an ordinance passed banning declawing like they did in a couple of cities or counties in CA a few years ago.Maybe you could organize something local like that. I don't think any of them do full time animal work and I think they set it up as a non-profit, though I'm not sure, to take care of insurance, etc...t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It apparently has been pushed to that level in some states-- ALDF sent Hideyo a decision from an appeals court in PA finding a local pet limit ordinance unconstitutional, and there are some from other states also. But there are many different forms of pet limit ordinances, and some are probably unconstitutional and some are probably not, so it is not like there will probably ever be just one decision that clears the issue up in all states regarding all types of ordinances.You are right, though-- there would be more litigation on behalf of animals and rescuers if rescuers had more money.
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Dear Hideyo The check went in the mail tonight-- hopefully it will get to you before the next USPS holiday starts! Your case sure has got some interesting discussion started. I would love to see declawing banned in every state. I'd never heard of such a thing till I came here. Shame on vets who agree to it. I wonder how one gets the ban ball rolling? Do you find a sympathetic legislator and lobby them? I've never done anything like this but I'd be interested in trying to get it banned in IL. Also HSUS: I really just got to hear about them recently and their website makes them seem like they have their act together. Interesting to hear it from the other side. So frustrating to hear Michelle's story--especially as she's offering her volunteer services. There's really no excuse for not contacting her. Seems like someone dropped the ball. There are people like that everywhere. (The director of the shelter that asked me to foster Pookie never gets back to me when I call to say i need more fluids (and she is the point of contact; it's not like she asked me to contact anyone else)--I typically have to contact her 3 times. I think it's pretty stupid behaving like that considering how hard it is for them to find fosterers in the first place. Plus, you can't mess around with fluids. You need them when you need them. Ok, I've put the soapbox away! Good luck Hideyo. And good luck Michelle with HSUS. They're crazy not to have been in touch. Hopefully for the animals' sake they'll be in touch soon. Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: RE: fund raising for my case I might look into setting that up in the future! The meantime, if you are one of the generous donator for Supporting Hideyo and her cats fight against the city ordinance Please mail a check to Hideyo Yamamoto 212 Edith SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 I will make sure to send a confirmation to you when I get it so that we can make sure it's not lost some place.. If for some reason, we end up not going further with the trial (a possibility!!), I will mail you a check back to the person who generously donated to me! And will provide a whole report of what happened so that anyone can use as a reference if you or anyone you know ended up being in a similar situation. My advise to you is to know your rights before you let anyone (any city officials) to let into your house! They cannot force getting into your house legally unless there is an warrant - and don't let anyone in your house unless you have someone (attorney or vet) with you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case They do charge a minimal fee when someone sends you money. I get 35.00 for a monthly maintenance fee and after PayPal takes theirs I clear 33. and some change so they take less than 2 dollars. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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The paypal charge is small - for each transaction it's about a dollar of so, more or less. It just makes it convenient for people to donate spontaneously who might otherwise forget or not do so - makes it easy, so you might get more donations. You have a set of menus, and you have to learn where to click to move your money to the bank account. But it also keeps a nice record on donations. Gloria On Dec 23, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Oh.. how do I set up a paypal account? Sorry, I am a little behind of modern technology.. I know what it is, but I don't know how to set it up. Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case I'll contribute! Perhaps you could set up a Paypal account. Thanks for the address. Gloria At 12:20 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
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Hideyo,I can't believe ALDF won't find someone to take your case pro bono. I am a member. Maybe if all of us wrote ALDF on your behalf they would reconsider?I will be glad to add to your fund as well in the meantime, but it's going to have to be after the holidays. I have mail stacked to the ceiling and don't even know how much money I do (or don't, lol) have until I sit down and get my checkbook in order! But I know I have some money for your cause.Plus if you could win this case it would help others who live with these ridiculous laws, like where I live. Our county limit is 8 animals. I would LOVE to see someone take it to court! And really, I can't believe no one has done this before (like ALDF) and got it to a federal level. In my opinion it's unconstitutional!t"MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, overruled Hideyo!The=^..^=s (thanks Terrie?!) will be just fine!Kx -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: fund raising for my caseMy dearest Kerry Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post please dont spend more money on me you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too!From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear HideyoHopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.)I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can!love hugs, Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me ---All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time . So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!!Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such
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Tonya, The only way something like this would go to the federal level, probably, is if every level of a state court upheld the law and it was appealed to the U.S. Supreme court on federal constitutional grounds. It would be possible to sue a city in federal court to begin with on federal constitutional grounds, but for various reasons legally that would probably not be the way to go-- state court is. And in Hideyo's case, where she is appealing a municpal court decision under a state law that allows such appeals to go to state court, it would be very complicated and not recommended to go to federal court. As for ALDF, they only have one or two lawyers at this point, in CA, and they are deep into other cases. The network they have of member attorneys (like me) is simply that, a network. They apparently do not even refer members of the public to attorneys in their network, because that is not what people sign up for when they sign up as members-- they just sign up to get updates and be part of the organization, not have their info given out to members of the public with particular cases. ALDF was willing to give me two names because I am actually an attorney member, and I called them but one was retired and the other was not working in the same place anymore. The attorney I found for Hideyo is an ALDF member, but for some reason ALDF did not even give me her name and number, I got it from Alley Cat Allies. And I would bet for sure that she is the only ALDF attorney member in Albuquerque-- she does not know of any others. She did offer to make a few calls for Hideyo for free, but because she is trying to make a living doing exclusively animal law (which is great! and rare!), she does need to charge her clients or she will not be able to make a living and will have to go back to doing another kind of law for pay. And every animal law related client is going to be someone who we would think should get pro bono services-- a rescuer, a shelter, a person with an animal in a bad situation, etc. If she did them all for free she could not do this work as her main job. Plus she spends a lot of time, on her own without pay, trying to get a TNR ordinance passed in Albuquerque, so she really does need to do paid work the rest of the time. So I totally understand why she can not do it pro bono. I would bet she will not charge Hideyo as much as a run of the mill lawyer would, though-- we will have to see what they work out. Hope that helps explain the situation, Michelle In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:01:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hideyo, I can't believe ALDF won't find someone to take your case pro bono. I am a member. Maybe if all of us wrote ALDF on your behalf they would reconsider? I will be glad to add to your fund as well in the meantime, but it's going to have to be after the holidays. I have mail stacked to the ceiling and don't even know how much money I do (or don't, lol) have until I sit down and get my checkbook in order! But I know I have some money for your cause. Plus if you could win this case it would help others who live with these ridiculous laws, like where I live. Our county limit is 8 animals. I would LOVE to see someone take it to court! And really, I can't believe no one has done this before (like ALDF) and got it to a federal level. In my opinion it's unconstitutional! t
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Please see my email about this. Hideyo has the one ALDF attorney in Albuquerque at this point. Michelle In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:08:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you guys think about us all contacting ALDF on Hideyo's behalf? I know I could crosspost this to all my animal organizations and get lots of contacts, unless you think this is a bad idea? t
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Title: Message Yes, that's very helpful Michelle. Answered my question. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:14 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: fund raising for my case Tonya, The only way something like this would go to the federal level, probably, is if every level of a state court upheld the law and it was appealed to the U.S. Supreme court on federal constitutional grounds. It would be possible to sue a city in federal court to begin with on federal constitutional grounds, but for various reasons legally that would probably not be the way to go-- state court is. And in Hideyo's case, where she is appealing a municpal court decision under a state law that allows such appeals to go to state court, it would be very complicated and not recommended to go to federal court. As for ALDF, they only have one or two lawyers at this point, in CA, and they are deep into other cases. The network they have of member attorneys (like me) is simply that, a network. They apparently do not even refer members of the public to attorneys in their network, because that is not what people sign up for when they sign up as members-- they just sign up to get updates and be part of the organization, not have their info given out to members of the public with particular cases. ALDF was willing to give me two names because I am actually an attorney member, and I called them but one was retired and the other was not working in the same place anymore. The attorney I found for Hideyo is an ALDF member, but for some reason ALDF did not even give me her name and number, I got it from Alley Cat Allies. And I would bet for sure that she is the only ALDF attorney member in Albuquerque-- she does not know of any others. She did offer to make a few calls for Hideyo for free, but because she is trying to make a living doing exclusively animal law (which is great! and rare!), she does need to charge her clients or she will not be able to make a living and will have to go back to doing another kind of law for pay. And every animal law related client is going to be someone who we would think should get pro bono services-- a rescuer, a shelter, a person with an animal in a bad situation, etc. If she did them all for free she could not do this work as her main job. Plus she spends a lot of time, on her own without pay, trying to get a TNR ordinance passed in Albuquerque, so she really does need to do paid work the rest of the time. So I totally understand why she can not do it pro bono. I would bet she will not charge Hideyo as much as a run of the mill lawyer would, though-- we will have to see what they work out. Hope that helps explain the situation, Michelle In a message dated 12/23/2005 10:01:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hideyo, I can't believe ALDF won't find someone to take your case pro bono. I am a member. Maybe if all of us wrote ALDF on your behalf they would reconsider? I will be glad to add to your fund as well in the meantime, but it's going to have to be after the holidays. I have mail stacked to the ceiling and don't even know how much money I do (or don't, lol) have until I sit down and get my checkbook in order! But I know I have some money for your cause. Plus if you could win this case it would help others who live with these ridiculous laws, like where I live. Our county limit is 8 animals. I would LOVE to see someone take it to court! And really, I can't believe no one has done this before (like ALDF) and got it to a federal level. In my opinion it's unconstitutional! t =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Oh.. how do I set up a paypal account? Sorry, I am a little behind of modern technology.. I know what it is, but I don't know how to set it up. Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 6:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case I'll contribute! Perhaps you could set up a Paypal account. Thanks for the address. Gloria At 12:20 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
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Go to their website sign-up page here: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_registration-run It should walk you through. You may as well sign up for a business or premiere account, a personal account does not allow you to receive debit or credit card payments. If you ever plan on becoming non profit if you aren't already I would go with the business account but either a premiere or business is probably OK and you can always upgrade at a later date. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Are there any drawbacks to paypal? Are there fees involved? I was going to put Hideyo's check in the mail today. D'you think paypal is a better way to go? I've had a check go missing once in the mail, but it was never cashed--still, I had to pay the cancellation fee :( Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Go to their website sign-up page here: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_registration-run It should walk you through. You may as well sign up for a business or premiere account, a personal account does not allow you to receive debit or credit card payments. If you ever plan on becoming non profit if you aren't already I would go with the business account but either a premiere or business is probably OK and you can always upgrade at a later date. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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They do charge a minimal fee when someone sends you money. I get 35.00 for a monthly maintenance fee and after PayPal takes theirs I clear 33. and some change so they take less than 2 dollars. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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This is their fee rate for business or premiere accounts when someone sends you money: 1.9% to 2.9% + $0.30 USD I pay the higher rate because I don't make alot. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thanks Belinda---you just answered my next Q (which I was going to try and research myself)--it's on a % basis. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case This is their fee rate for business or premiere accounts when someone sends you money: 1.9% to 2.9% + $0.30 USD I pay the higher rate because I don't make alot. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I might look into setting that up in the future! The meantime, if you are one of the generous donator for Supporting Hideyo and her cats fight against the city ordinance Please mail a check to Hideyo Yamamoto 212 Edith SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 I will make sure to send a confirmation to you when I get it so that we can make sure it's not lost some place.. If for some reason, we end up not going further with the trial (a possibility!!), I will mail you a check back to the person who generously donated to me! And will provide a whole report of what happened so that anyone can use as a reference if you or anyone you know ended up being in a similar situation. My advise to you is to know your rights before you let anyone (any city officials) to let into your house! They cannot force getting into your house legally unless there is an warrant - and don't let anyone in your house unless you have someone (attorney or vet) with you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case They do charge a minimal fee when someone sends you money. I get 35.00 for a monthly maintenance fee and after PayPal takes theirs I clear 33. and some change so they take less than 2 dollars. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Will do! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case I might look into setting that up in the future! The meantime, if you are one of the generous donator for Supporting Hideyo and her cats fight against the city ordinance Please mail a check to Hideyo Yamamoto 212 Edith SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 I will make sure to send a confirmation to you when I get it so that we can make sure it's not lost some place.. If for some reason, we end up not going further with the trial (a possibility!!), I will mail you a check back to the person who generously donated to me! And will provide a whole report of what happened so that anyone can use as a reference if you or anyone you know ended up being in a similar situation. My advise to you is to know your rights before you let anyone (any city officials) to let into your house! They cannot force getting into your house legally unless there is an warrant - and don't let anyone in your house unless you have someone (attorney or vet) with you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 12:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case They do charge a minimal fee when someone sends you money. I get 35.00 for a monthly maintenance fee and after PayPal takes theirs I clear 33. and some change so they take less than 2 dollars. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
fund raising for my case
Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
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Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
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Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
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Title: Message Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message My dearest Kerry Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post please dont spend more money on me you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message Sorry, overruled Hideyo! The=^..^=s (thanks Terrie?!) will be just fine! Kx -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: fund raising for my case My dearest Kerry Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post please dont spend more money on me you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Hideyo, What is the problem? Is the court case because you have too many animals? If they are all taken care of I don't see why anyone would care. The law definitely needs to be changed then. I don't have alot of extra money, but count on me to help in any way that I can. ErinOn 12/22/05, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My dearest Kerry – Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post – please don't spend more money on me – you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time…. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases – If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisorThis email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Title: Message Kerry.. you are cracking me up --- I cant tell you how many of those I heard at the previous hearing when I represented myself I just wanted to cry, because the city attorney guy was being such a jerk and overruled or stipulated everything I said and did not know what to do!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Sorry, overruled Hideyo! The=^..^=s (thanks Terrie?!) will be just fine! Kx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case My dearest Kerry Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post please dont spend more money on me you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. =00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction o
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Title: Message Kerry,, I am laughing as much as I wanted to cry then,, I think the whole situation was sort of funny.. Greg was behind me dying to object the city attorneys arguments because apparently he said lots of stuff out of line..but whatever happened, I think it meant to be.. so I am ready to go through and walk through whatever I need to protect not only my cats and any others who may be in a similar situation in the future. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Oh dear---I'm grimacing/squirming hereI should have thought of that before trying to be a smarta**! (I remember hearing plenty of overruleds during my divorce case!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Kerry.. you are cracking me up --- I cant tell you how many of those I heard at the previous hearing when I represented myself I just wanted to cry, because the city attorney guy was being such a jerk and overruled or stipulated everything I said and did not know what to do!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Sorry, overruled Hideyo! The=^..^=s (thanks Terrie?!) will be just fine! Kx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case My dearest Kerry Kerry, I know it sounds condescending to my original request to the post please dont spend more money on me you have given enough! I know you have lots of expenses for your kitty, too! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo Hopefully you already got my pledge/email of 12/20. As I'm grounded in Chicago over the holidays this year, I've committed to coveringour 24/7 department which means I get some extra $$ so please know you can count on another $300 from me for legal fees. Apart from the fact I very much want to help anyway, knowing it's for a specificgreat cause just made the prospect of working overtime hours during the holidays a whole lot more meaningful! (I'm also not much good at fund-raising per se, so to me this is the best way to help.) I think it's great that you're going ahead with this fight for animal rights and I feel honored to be able to help in any way I can! love hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I dont know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time. So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo =00 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii
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Hideyo, I'm trying to understand. are you now in violation of state or county laws? You would need to talk to the governing body in your town, invite them over and convince them to change the laws. But if someone on the board already doesn't like you my understanding is you have lost. See even if you are able to change the law you are still in violation if you have already been charged. which means that you will pay alot of money and time to still lose. Is the lawyer you hired well liked with the town officials? If not find a new lawyer. It is more important to find one well liked then knowledgeable. thats how politics play. You could try to get a city ordnance for being a shelter. but once again that might not work if they don't like you. Let me know all the terms of your court history. My mother Knows alot about these town rules, New Jersey though. I'll try and get as much inside scoop as i can. Erin
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Hideyo send me all the info you can on your case, I'll check some resources I have and hopefully get back to you tonight. ErinOn 12/22/05, erin moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hideyo, I'm trying to understand. are you now in violation of state or county laws? You would need to talk to the governing body in your town, invite them over and convince them to change the laws. But if someone on the board already doesn't like you my understanding is you have lost. See even if you are able to change the law you are still in violation if you have already been charged. which means that you will pay alot of money and time to still lose. Is the lawyer you hired well liked with the town officials? If not find a new lawyer. It is more important to find one well liked then knowledgeable. thats how politics play. You could try to get a city ordnance for being a shelter. but once again that might not work if they don't like you. Let me know all the terms of your court history. My mother Knows alot about these town rules, New Jersey though. I'll try and get as much inside scoop as i can. Erin
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Thank you, Erin --- I am the violation of the city ordinance - Actually, Michelle on the list has done so much to help me out already she is an attorney and did lots of research for me and she even found a lawyer for me who is local here and does animal right and who has a very good relationship with all the city officials. I have pretty good relationship with the assistant to the mayor (who is absolute animal activity), a senior vet at the animal services division (who used to be my vet for the past 10 years before she changed the job and she has so much respect for what I do ), also deputy director of health/environmental service (he is a friend of mine) in which animal services division sits under.. the only person I have a problem with the city attorney,, but I think that he wont really be able to do much without permission from some people whom I am close tothe city attorney guy may not like me, because I continue to fight.. he may not like me, because he is threatened that I may win.. he may not like me because he cant control me.. there was no one who tried to fight against the constitutionality of the ordinance before me and he is a bit surprised (thats what my lawyer said to me..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of erin moody Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Hideyo, I'm trying to understand. are you now in violation of state or county laws? You would need to talk to the governing body in your town, invite them over and convince them to change the laws. But if someone on the board already doesn't like you my understanding is you have lost. See even if you are able to change the law you are still in violation if you have already been charged. which means that you will pay alot of money and time to still lose. Is the lawyer you hired well liked with the town officials? If not find a new lawyer. It is more important to find one well liked then knowledgeable. thats how politics play. You could try to get a city ordnance for being a shelter. but once again that might not work if they don't like you. Let me know all the terms of your court history. My mother Knows alot about these town rules, New Jersey though. I'll try and get as much inside scoop as i can. Erin
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Actually, Debra (assistant to the mayor) told me that they were thinking of changing the law because of me but at the same time, I also know that one of the city councilor is getting ready to pass new ordinance which does not include the current ordinance I am fighting against .. the new one has up to 15 animals/household law which is better than the one we have.. but it still selects the number 15 arbitrary basically, I am arguing that pet limit law is an ineffective way to control animal population problem.. it seems a like a quick fix, but it does not address the heart of the issue- which is nuisance issue among irresponsible pet owners by enforcing nuisance law, you can control the problems much more effectively. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of erin moody Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Hideyo send me all the info you can on your case, I'll check some resources I have and hopefully get back to you tonight. Erin On 12/22/05, erin moody [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, I'm trying to understand. are you now in violation of state or county laws? You would need to talk to the governing body in your town, invite them over and convince them to change the laws. But if someone on the board already doesn't like you my understanding is you have lost. See even if you are able to change the law you are still in violation if you have already been charged. which means that you will pay alot of money and time to still lose. Is the lawyer you hired well liked with the town officials? If not find a new lawyer. It is more important to find one well liked then knowledgeable. thats how politics play. You could try to get a city ordnance for being a shelter. but once again that might not work if they don't like you. Let me know all the terms of your court history. My mother Knows alot about these town rules, New Jersey though. I'll try and get as much inside scoop as i can. Erin
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Hideyo, It sounds as though you're in better shape then I thought. I hate when people get such power trips. If you have ins then use them. I just know if your in violation now there is a slight chance that they will take your pets away. That is if the city attorney decides to pull strings. keep me posted. Erin
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I'll contribute! Perhaps you could set up a Paypal account. Thanks for the address. Gloria At 12:20 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
