Re: VO dosing question and Lucy update
Here we go, FELV studies, I knew I had these saved somewhere: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=55lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=151lang=eng http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00243.htm http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=120lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=136lang=eng http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=137lang=eng And the main webpage: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/ And a general uses page: http://vetinterferon.nexenservices.com/aff_abstract.php?id=144lang=eng Please DO print these out and shove them under the nose of any vets you can get them under! Maybe if the veterinary community pushes hard enough, the FDA will get their ass in gear and get this approved in the USA! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Dear Michelle, I was so saddened to read the vet's diagnosis for FIP (dry) w/ your sweet Lucy. As I've said before, I have encountered both wet dry FIP - at the shelter, and at my home when I was fostering many cats,, I encountered the 'wet FIP w/ (too) many shelter catsThey did see a specialist, and fluid drawn from abdomen was indicative of FIP. Along w/ the Elisa test showing VERY high titres! When I had FIP in my home, it was the dry form.At that time, some of the symptoms displayed that I sought treatment for were: a) High Fever b)Lethargy and c )chronic conditions, URI, eye infections - that would NOT respond to normal AB's I had FECV titers run on all my fosters, but not my personal clan I lost my Dusty, an older boy and a former street survivor from Baltimore. And then I lost my Oden, at only 2 - who I had since I bottle fed him. Their necropsies confirmed FIP... Recently, my Puma was diagnosed w/ toxoplasmosis FIP.Upon getting home after my lengthy hospital stay, Puma was just not right He was eating tons, drinking much, urinating much, even in his bed, while he slept... And, he was lethargic, sleeping more than usual, and being very vocal Also, chronic ear problems. (My room mate gave him the nickname RattleHead!!) So, I expected it to be thyroid kidney disease, due to his age (17+). So, I had my rescue partner take us to the specialist, where he ran MANY tests! Was I ever surprised w/ the results, as it was NOT thyroid or kidneys - those levels were fine!!! His FECV titer was VERY high... We cleaned his ears while at vet, and was given special cleaner to use every week. Also, Baytril ear solution. Also, he was rx'd clindomycin prednisone. And, he is also on daily sub-q fluids When I had a question, my vet, who NEVER suggested euthanasia suggested I bring him back in. But, me being too soft, was afraid I might be forced w/ the decision!! So, I just refilled his meds, and he is doing really well, much to my surprise, and delight. I did promise that I would NEVER let him suffer, and, he really seems to be doing well. He still eats ALOT, Evo Nutro dry, cooked chicken w/ rice, and, YES, I do give him canned Fancy Feast! He LOVES that, especially the new kind It's not exactly a high quality food, but at his age I figure he's entitled to eat whatever makes him happy. I just wonder if he was exposed when I had it at my home! That was YEARS ago But, he did come from a high-kill Ga. shelter, w/ no history, other than his age! (And, because he was 11 or 12 at the time, they weren't even going to place him up for adoption - an immediate gas chamber death sentence! ) So, he has had many good years w/ me, brought me much happiness... I only pray that he won't suffer, and goes peacefully in his sleep I do give him daily vitamins, and use RR in the water. I hope they are wrong about your Lucy. But, if not, I hope Puma's story will give you inspiration (He's an 'ole man, but definitely a fighter!!) Keep us updated please. (W/ my vision problems, I am not online as much as before, but I do try to keep up w/ the threads) Hugs, Patti (and Puma the rest of my clan! )
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do, but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is hopeless in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
O yea... medical model. Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or sometime like that... Best of luck, Gloria On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do, but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is hopeless in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Though, from my experience, the criteria does not hold truth for my cats -- I
have about 5 or 6 cats who fall into all the three criteria for years and years
and they don't have FIP - I guess the clinical signs are the critical key
points here -- without the right clinical signs, don't necessary rely on these
criteria
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. Lane
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Thanks for all the great info ...
Gloria
At 11:01 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote:
Here is one more link on diagnosing FIP, the
percentages that rule FIP in or out are interesting.
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1316articleid=212http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1316articleid=212
An excerpt from this site:
How is FIP diagnosed?
Because we can not rely totally on the antibody
test for a diagnosis, we must combine the
history, clinical signs, laboratory results,
FCoV test result, and possibly radiographs to
come to a probable diagnosis. The only way to
be absolutely sure of an FIPV infection is to
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50, 50, 350, 300)biopsy affected tissues and
have them examined by a veterinarian
pathologist. As a result, most often the
diagnosis is made after the cat has died, a
postmortem examination has been performed and tissues have been examined.
In an attempt to try to make the best diagnosis
we can while the cat is still alive, we can
follow these criteria for a cat with clinical signs of FIP:
* The cat has a low number of lymphocytes: 1.5x103 cells/µl.
* The cat has a positive FCoV test result (titer 1:160).
* The cat has elevated globulins in his blood 5.1 gm/dl.
If the cat meets all three criteria, the
probability the cat has FIP is 88.9%. If the cat
does NOT meet all three criteria, the
probability the cat does NOT have FIP is 98.8%.
In those cats who have fluid in the thorax or abdomen that can be analyzed:
* If the gamma globulin fraction in the
fluid is greater than 32%, the chances that the cat has FIP are almost 100%.
* If the albumin fraction is greater than
48% or the ratio of albumin to globulin is
greater than 0.81, it is almost 100% certain that the cat does NOT have FIP.
From this discussion, you can see that a
certain diagnosis of FIP is not made very
easily. Remember, the gold standard for
diagnosis of FIP is through microscopic
examinations of biopsies (a procedure called histopathology).
Beth
RE: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Michelle - I have to disagree with you internist - I know that she is trying to figure out what's possible - my gut feeling is that it's not FIP - you could send out Lucy's blood work to University of Glasgow for profile of FIP if you want to be more certain - dr. Addie says, about 75 to 85% of the samples comes to the lab turns out to be not FIP - and they are usually all form the cats who have been diagnosed as possibly FIP by either their regular vet or internist - As for my cats, I really do know when my cats have FIP or are going to have FIP if I don't do anything about it - or don't have FIP when my vet may suggest that they may have FIP - I have been 100% right about it - I just think, whatever causing Lucy is related to felk virus and not corona virus - as I know from the fact that felk virus does somehow cause anemia and high temperature and fluid as well. I am not a medical doctor, obviously - so I may not be credible -but I have surprised my vet how always right I have been about this - Michelle,, 100% of the time, when my cats had FIP (6 of them) - in addition to hypergloubumia and hypoalbumia (sp) - their total and direct and indirect bilirubin are higher than normal range - and 65% of the cases, they were mild anemia (and become severe anemia in time) corona titer are not necessarily high - and 100% of the times, their amylase are higher (but don't worry about it if all other categories are not higher along with it - as often by itself, it does not mean anything by itself -I really really don't think what Lucy has is FIP - I can't stress it enough - Michelle - you don't want to wait too low to start on epogen as it takes for a while to work,, when HCT/PCV goes down to 18 - that's the time to start - my Ayumi as you may or may not know who has unknown cause of nonregenerative anemia (she is not FIP or CRF kitties) - she has been on epogen since her PCV went to 18 - in three weeks, finally she started to respond and PCV is going up slowly - you need to start epogen right away if it is non regenerative anemia as it may help Lucy as well, but you don't want to run out of time,,, which happened to my felk kitty, tsubomi. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: internist thinks Lucy has FIP Well, the internist thinks Lucy has FIP. Despite the abdominal effusion, she thinks it is dry FIP because the fluid does not look like FIP fluid, and that the fluid is resulting from the effects of FIP on other organs. She thinks it's FIP because of something that was found in the biopsy of the lymph node, I can't remember what it is called but something like granular something, or granulitis, or granuloma, which goes with FIP and not with most other kinds of inflammation. Other possibilities are infection somewhere, the effects of her IBD inflammation, or pancreatitis, but she said that the lymph node being the way it is normally goes only with FIP so she really thinks it is that. I am of course very distressed by this. She said she could do exploratory surgery to diagnose better, but I do not see the point since FIP is not treatable. I want instead to try to treat for the other things it could be. So a broad spectrum antibiotic with anearobic properties (she said clavamox or clindamycin-- any ideas which i should do, I have both?). And up her steroids for IBD/pancreatitis. And perhaps switch her diet to a novel protein diet if there is one that would also be ok for pancreatitis. And she is on feline interferon and I would like to get acemannan, and then monitor her HCT and if it goes too low try epogen. any thoughts? Has anyone actually had an internist, rather than a primary care vet, say FIP when it was not? distressed, michelle
RE: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Another thing to add is that - with FIP - it usually shows gradual and subtle loss of appetite and therefore, if it's a kitten, stagnancy of weight gain, and if it's an adult - lose of weight and rough coat - this was also true to 100 % of the time for all my cats - it just seems that Lucy's condition seems to be more acute that what it would normally be for FIP symptoms - And, whatever your internest is saying about granulities or granuloma, I don' think it's really reliable for FIP detections - otherwise, I would or dr. addie and dr. ishida who have been studying treatment and diagnosis for FIP for the past 20 years would have known about it - are you talking about electrophoresis test by any chance? Also, I had cytology done for my Ayumi from lymphnodes as well - it may differentiate cancerous cells from others- and her result came back as sort of vague - she also did ultrasound, and we are pretty sure that she does not have cancer either ---I just don't remember hearing about lymphonodes can tell FIP or not - you can directly email to dr. addie if you want - she won't diagnose Lucy, but give you a general idea - she has been very supportive and caring when I was having difficult time losing all of my babies.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: internist thinks Lucy has FIP Michelle - I have to disagree with you internist - I know that she is trying to figure out what's possible - my gut feeling is that it's not FIP - you could send out Lucy's blood work to University of Glasgow for profile of FIP if you want to be more certain - dr. Addie says, about 75 to 85% of the samples comes to the lab turns out to be not FIP - and they are usually all form the cats who have been diagnosed as possibly FIP by either their regular vet or internist - As for my cats, I really do know when my cats have FIP or are going to have FIP if I don't do anything about it - or don't have FIP when my vet may suggest that they may have FIP - I have been 100% right about it - I just think, whatever causing Lucy is related to felk virus and not corona virus - as I know from the fact that felk virus does somehow cause anemia and high temperature and fluid as well. I am not a medical doctor, obviously - so I may not be credible -but I have surprised my vet how always right I have been about this - Michelle,, 100% of the time, when my cats had FIP (6 of them) - in addition to hypergloubumia and hypoalbumia (sp) - their total and direct and indirect bilirubin are higher than normal range - and 65% of the cases, they were mild anemia (and become severe anemia in time) corona titer are not necessarily high - and 100% of the times, their amylase are higher (but don't worry about it if all other categories are not higher along with it - as often by itself, it does not mean anything by itself -I really really don't think what Lucy has is FIP - I can't stress it enough - Michelle - you don't want to wait too low to start on epogen as it takes for a while to work,, when HCT/PCV goes down to 18 - that's the time to start - my Ayumi as you may or may not know who has unknown cause of nonregenerative anemia (she is not FIP or CRF kitties) - she has been on epogen since her PCV went to 18 - in three weeks, finally she started to respond and PCV is going up slowly - you need to start epogen right away if it is non regenerative anemia as it may help Lucy as well, but you don't want to run out of time,,, which happened to my felk kitty, tsubomi. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: internist thinks Lucy has FIP Well, the internist thinks Lucy has FIP. Despite the abdominal effusion, she thinks it is dry FIP because the fluid does not look like FIP fluid, and that the fluid is resulting from the effects of FIP on other organs. She thinks it's FIP because of something that was found in the biopsy of the lymph node, I can't remember what it is called but something like granular something, or granulitis, or granuloma, which goes with FIP and not with most other kinds of inflammation. Other possibilities are infection somewhere, the effects of her IBD inflammation, or pancreatitis, but she said that the lymph node being the way it is normally goes only with FIP so she really thinks it is that. I am of course very distressed by this. She said she could do exploratory surgery to diagnose better, but I do not see the point since FIP is not treatable. I want instead to try to treat for the other things it could be. So a broad spectrum antibiotic with anearobic properties (she said clavamox or clindamycin-- any ideas which i should do, I have both?). And up her steroids for IBD/pancreatitis. And perhaps switch her diet to a novel protein
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
Michelle, Did you ask the Internist about helping you get acemannan? In a message dated 1/20/2007 4:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the internist thinks Lucy has FIP. Despite the abdominal effusion, she thinks it is dry FIP because the fluid does not look like FIP fluid, and that the fluid is resulting from the effects of FIP on other organs. She thinks it's FIP because of something that was found in the biopsy of the lymph node, I can't remember what it is called but something like granular something, or granulitis, or granuloma, which goes with FIP and not with most other kinds of inflammation. Other possibilities are infection somewhere, the effects of her IBD inflammation, or pancreatitis, but she said that the lymph node being the way it is normally goes only with FIP so she really thinks it is that. I am of course very distressed by this. She said she could do exploratory surgery to diagnose better, but I do not see the point since FIP is not treatable. I want instead to try to treat for the other things it could be. So a broad spectrum antibiotic with anearobic properties (she said clavamox or clindamycin-- any ideas which i should do, I have both?). And up her steroids for IBD/pancreatitis. And perhaps switch her diet to a novel protein diet if there is one that would also be ok for pancreatitis. And she is on feline interferon and I would like to get acemannan, and then monitor her HCT and if it goes too low try epogen. any thoughts? Has anyone actually had an internist, rather than a primary care vet, say FIP when it was not? distressed, michelle
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP
I agree with Hideyo, send out Lucy's samples for Dr. Addie's profile in the UK. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
toxoplasmosis
Has anyone here had experience with toxo? Lucy has not been tested for it, which I am starting to think is crazy. Maybe the granuloma cells in the lymph node don't show up with toxo, but otherwise her symptoms could fit-- I just read that it can cause anemia, fevers, and abdominal effusion, and FeLV+ cats are more susceptible and she does in fact catch mice a lot-- she is quite the hunter when feeling well. Is it crazy she has not been tested for it? Would you test for it even though it requires drawing blood and she is pretty anemic? I am feeling my blood pressure rise while thinking about this. I alternate between being resigned and hopeless about the FIP diagnosis and thinking palliative care only, and questioning the diagnosis. If anyone has any knowledge of toxo and whether you have seen these kinds of signs with it-- especially abdominal effusion-- please tell me. I am going to take her to my local vet tomorrow, I think. I have thought of sending stuff to Dr. Addie. However, I would rather test for things that are curable than take the extra blood necessary to confirm FIP. If FIP is confirmed it does nothing for me or her because there is no treatment (except perhaps VO, which I am giving her). Am I missing something on why I should send in? It would have to be blood, because her abdominal fluid definitely does not look like FIP effusion. Michelle
Re: toxoplasmosis
Yes, you're missing the fact that if you send it in, and Dr. Addie can prove it's NOT FIP, then you can mark that off the list and move on to other options, and not have to wonder if it is or isn't FIP. The more things you eliminate as possibilities, the closer you come to the TRUE diagnosis. Process of elimination. As to if she can handle the blood draw, well, I'd find out exactly how much blood they needed before I decided, if it's not a lot, then it's probably worth the blood draw... if they need a few TUBES, then yeah, you might want to not do it at this point. I do think it also requires a abdominal fluid sample as well, if you can get any out. I will research the toxo symptoms Oh, and sorry if my emails got weird and off-beat last night, I was writing fast replies to quickly skimmed emails between bouts of explosive diarrhea... at 3 AM! Must have been all the talk about IBD! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
winter day, home with the cats
Today has been a miserable day here in VA. Freezing rain and sleet brought me home early from work. This gave me time to spend with Junior and my other cats. Junior seems to feel better. His ears are almost normal looking. I am not sure what cause the hematomas because he did not shake his head or paw at them. Of course he is still egtting medicine for his eyes. He vision is very limited in his good eye. It is still dilated from the infection. He is eating better although I am enticing him with anything he will eat. He gets Lysine in baby food. My thoughts about Tiny. Tiny always has a cough throughout his short life. Not a bad cough and not even every day. Just sometimes he would cough after purring. When he was a kitten he did have a URI and his sinuses smelled terrible. He thew this off on his own. I had suspected he had heartworms even though not real common in cats I live on a lake in mosquito infested woods. I asked the vet he saw last summer if this was a possibility and though she did not test for it gave him revolution. At that time he had a bad URI which the cough was very severe, just like the one he had the day he died, but instead of dying he just coughed spastically. It knocked him off his feet. It would explain his sudden death. He did test a faint positive on the snap test but never really had symptoms nor did he catch Junior's last URI. Right now Daisy is crying out pitifully. In the mist of my Feline Luekemia crisis last fall, I had to put off her spaying. I advised the shelter I got her from of what was going on so they did not bug me for the papers. ITwo weeks ago I called a low cost clinic to schedule her spaying and they called back. Ususally you get an appointment in a week or two, this time it was over a month. So Now I have to wait until Feb. 27 to get her fixed in the meantime, she is coming in heat. What a royal pain. I have always gotten my females fixed before their first heat. OK the waether is making me think too much. Thanks everyone for your support. This is the best group. Sally, Junior, Daisy, Grey and White, Spike, Lily, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Silver, Speedy -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: winter day, home with the cats
At 03:24 PM 1/21/2007, you wrote: cuddle with your kitties and celebrate the fact spring will arrive Kelly Today has been a miserable day here in VA. Freezing rain and sleet brought me home early from work. This gave me time to spend with Junior and my other cats. Junior seems to feel better. His ears are almost normal looking. I am not sure what cause the hematomas because he did not shake his head or paw at them. Of course he is still egtting medicine for his eyes. He vision is very limited in his good eye. It is still dilated from the infection. He is eating better although I am enticing him with anything he will eat. He gets Lysine in baby food. My thoughts about Tiny. Tiny always has a cough throughout his short life. Not a bad cough and not even every day. Just sometimes he would cough after purring. When he was a kitten he did have a URI and his sinuses smelled terrible. He thew this off on his own. I had suspected he had heartworms even though not real common in cats I live on a lake in mosquito infested woods. I asked the vet he saw last summer if this was a possibility and though she did not test for it gave him revolution. At that time he had a bad URI which the cough was very severe, just like the one he had the day he died, but instead of dying he just coughed spastically. It knocked him off his feet. It would explain his sudden death. He did test a faint positive on the snap test but never really had symptoms nor did he catch Junior's last URI. Right now Daisy is crying out pitifully. In the mist of my Feline Luekemia crisis last fall, I had to put off her spaying. I advised the shelter I got her from of what was going on so they did not bug me for the papers. ITwo weeks ago I called a low cost clinic to schedule her spaying and they called back. Ususally you get an appointment in a week or two, this time it was over a month. So Now I have to wait until Feb. 27 to get her fixed in the meantime, she is coming in heat. What a royal pain. I have always gotten my females fixed before their first heat. OK the waether is making me think too much. Thanks everyone for your support. This is the best group. Sally, Junior, Daisy, Grey and White, Spike, Lily, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Silver, Speedy -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story http://www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.htmlwww.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.comhttps://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007
Re: winter day, home with the cats
Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: toxoplasmosis
Michelle, I can't find anything to suggest abdominal effusion is a symptom of Toxoplasmosis, would you mind posting where you saw that? All the sites I've seen says most cats show no symptoms at all. Of the ones that mentioned symptoms, nothing popped out at me as being similar to FIP. here are some examples. http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1359articleid=770 says: The signs of toxoplasmosis in pets are nonspecific: fever, loss of appetite, depression. Further signs may occur depending on whether the infection is acute or chronic, and where T. gondii is found in the body. In the eye, it can cause inflammation; in the lungs, pneumonia; in the heart, arrhythmias; in the digestive tract, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and jaundice; in the nervous system, seizures, paralysis and loss of nerve function; in muscle, a stiff gait and loss of muscle. http://www.fabcats.org/toxoplasmosis.html says: The most commonly reported clinical signs associated with feline toxoplasmosis are anorexia, weight loss, lethargy, dyspnoea (due to pneumonia), ocular signs (iritis, chorioretinitis) and pyrexia. Other less common features include gastrointestinal signs (vomiting/diarrhoea), neurological signs, lymphadenopathy, jaundice, myositis and abortion. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/toxo.html says: Most cats show no clinical signs of infection with Toxoplasma. Occasionally, however, clinical disease-toxoplasmosis-occurs, kittens and young adult cats being more often affected than older animals. Lethargy, depression, loss of appetite, and fever are typical early nonspecific signs. Pneumonia, manifested by respiratory distress of gradually increasing severity, is the outstanding sign in many cats. Hepatitis (inflammation of the liver) may cause vomiting, diarrhea, prostration, and jaundice (yellowing of the mucous membranes). Inflammation of the pancreas and enlargement of lymph nodes also occur. Toxoplasmosis can also affect the eyes and central nervous system, producing inflammation of the retina or anterior ocular chamber, abnormal pupil size and responsiveness to light, blindness, incoordination, heightened sensitivity to touch, personality changes, circling, head pressing, twitching of the ears, difficulty in chewing and swallowing food, seizures, and loss of control over urination and defecation. http://www.hdw-inc.com/healthtoxo.htm says: Often, there are no clinical signs to this disease in cats. On occasion, there are some early non-specific symptoms such as lethargy, depression, loss of appetite and fever, especially in kittens and young adult cats. The most outstanding sign in most cats is feline pneumonia, which shows up as respiratory distress that continues to increase in severity. Toxoplasmosis can also affect the eyes and the central nervous system, producing inflammation of the retina, possible abnormal pupil size, and even blindness, lack of coordination, personality changes, circling, head pressing, ear twitching, seizures, difficulty in chewing and swallowing food, seizures, and loss of control over urination and defecation functions. Hepatitis, or inflammation of the liver, can also occur which can bring about episodes of vomiting, diarrhea, prostration and jaundice, which is yellowing of the mucous membranes. The pancreas can also become inflamed and the lymph nodes may become enlarged. http://www.capcvet.org/default.asp?p=Guidelines_Toxoplasma says: a.. Toxoplasmosis is a multisystemic infection characterized by granulomatous inflammation associated with tachyzoite proliferation in the tissues. b.. Organs and tissues commonly affected include lymph nodes, liver, lung, brain/spinal cord, and eye. c.. Toxoplasmosis may cause focal or generalized lymphadenitis, encephalitis, pneumonitis, myocarditis, and retinochoroiditis. d.. There may be associated fever, weight loss, and lethargy. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: toxoplasmosis
It's called peritoneal effusion, and here are some links to places that mention it: _http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2000/apr00_02.htm_ (http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2000/apr00_02.htm) _http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2004PID=8683Categor y=1262O=Generic_ (http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2004PID=8683Category=1262O=Generic) There are more, but both of those do. Another symptom of toxo, besides fever and effusion, can be anemia: _http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2000/4-00.htm_ (http://www.antechdiagnostics.com/clients/antechNews/2000/4-00.htm) I saw it in many more, but did not save the links. I also found a case study (unfortunately diagnosed via necropsy) where the ultrasonic and aspirate results were the same as Lucy's-- enlarged mesenteric lymph node with granulatamous inflammation and thickened intestinal loops. That cat was also anemic, though much less so than Lucy (pcv 27, I think). Seems worth treating for. I started her tonight on clindamycin, which is a treatment for toxo. I am taking her to the vet tomorrow and want the test done too, i think. Michelle In a message dated 1/21/2007 7:36:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, I can't find anything to suggest abdominal effusion is a symptom of Toxoplasmosis, would you mind posting where you saw that?
Re: toxoplasmosis
here is another link listing abdominal effusion: _http://www.missionmedvet.com/encyclopedia/toxoplasmosis.htm_ (http://www.missionmedvet.com/encyclopedia/toxoplasmosis.htm)
Re: toxoplasmosis
Yeah, for sure, if you have the right meds on hand, I don't think it could hurt to try! It appears I have more links to add to my site! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: winter day, home with the cats
I spent the whole afternoon with Junior. First I took a nap. I have not been sleeping to well lately. Junior sees a little bit. I took him out of my bedroom into the living room. He managed to find the scratching post and he had a grand time with that. You should see the door frame to my bedroom. The is no room for a scratching post in the hallway. Missing work is the pits, because I am an hourly employee, I have less than 2 days vacation to last until march, and I think there is another systm on it's way. Here's crossing my fingers that doesn't happen. Good news is we still have power. I started the generator yesterday to make sure it would start. Eric is disabled and cannot do those tyes of things. I hope everyone is safe and warm. Sally On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: winter day, home with the cats
Re the scratching post: Can you fasten one to the wall like a picture? I've seen some type of frame covered in whatever you want the cat to scratch then literally secured (firmly please) to the wall. I hope you don't lose any more work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: winter day, home with the cats I spent the whole afternoon with Junior. First I took a nap. I have not been sleeping to well lately. Junior sees a little bit. I took him out of my bedroom into the living room. He managed to find the scratching post and he had a grand time with that. You should see the door frame to my bedroom. The is no room for a scratching post in the hallway. Missing work is the pits, because I am an hourly employee, I have less than 2 days vacation to last until march, and I think there is another systm on it's way. Here's crossing my fingers that doesn't happen. Good news is we still have power. I started the generator yesterday to make sure it would start. Eric is disabled and cannot do those tyes of things. I hope everyone is safe and warm. Sally On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: winter day, home with the cats
Well the trim is already ruined, but I do need to break him and the other cats from using that spot. They also tear up the carpet there as well. Sallu On 1/21/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re the scratching post: Can you fasten one to the wall like a picture? I've seen some type of frame covered in whatever you want the cat to scratch then literally secured (firmly please) to the wall. I hope you don't lose any more work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 PM *Subject:* Re: winter day, home with the cats I spent the whole afternoon with Junior. First I took a nap. I have not been sleeping to well lately. Junior sees a little bit. I took him out of my bedroom into the living room. He managed to find the scratching post and he had a grand time with that. You should see the door frame to my bedroom. The is no room for a scratching post in the hallway. Missing work is the pits, because I am an hourly employee, I have less than 2 days vacation to last until march, and I think there is another systm on it's way. Here's crossing my fingers that doesn't happen. Good news is we still have power. I started the generator yesterday to make sure it would start. Eric is disabled and cannot do those tyes of things. I hope everyone is safe and warm. Sally On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: winter day, home with the cats
At 06:41 PM 1/21/2007, you wrote: Just a few pieces of carpet remnant nailed up on the wall and some cat nip spray,, Kelly Well the trim is already ruined, but I do need to break him and the other cats from using that spot. They also tear up the carpet there as well. Sallu On 1/21/07, Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Re the scratching post: Can you fasten one to the wall like a picture? I've seen some type of frame covered in whatever you want the cat to scratch then literally secured (firmly please) to the wall. I hope you don't lose any more work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sally Davis To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: winter day, home with the cats I spent the whole afternoon with Junior. First I took a nap. I have not been sleeping to well lately. Junior sees a little bit. I took him out of my bedroom into the living room. He managed to find the scratching post and he had a grand time with that. You should see the door frame to my bedroom. The is no room for a scratching post in the hallway. Missing work is the pits, because I am an hourly employee, I have less than 2 days vacation to last until march, and I think there is another systm on it's way. Here's crossing my fingers that doesn't happen. Good news is we still have power. I started the generator yesterday to make sure it would start. Eric is disabled and cannot do those tyes of things. I hope everyone is safe and warm. Sally On 1/21/07, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.htmlhttp://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story http://www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.htmlwww.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.comhttps://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story http://www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.htmlwww.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.comhttps://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007
Re: winter day, home with the cats
I will give it a shot. Thanks for the suggestion Sally On 1/21/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:41 PM 1/21/2007, you wrote: Just a few pieces of carpet remnant nailed up on the wall and some cat nip spray,, Kelly Well the trim is already ruined, but I do need to break him and the other cats from using that spot. They also tear up the carpet there as well. Sallu On 1/21/07, *Marylyn* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re the scratching post: Can you fasten one to the wall like a picture? I've seen some type of frame covered in whatever you want the cat to scratch then literally secured (firmly please) to the wall. I hope you don't lose any more work. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Re: winter day, home with the cats I spent the whole afternoon with Junior. First I took a nap. I have not been sleeping to well lately. Junior sees a little bit. I took him out of my bedroom into the living room. He managed to find the scratching post and he had a grand time with that. You should see the door frame to my bedroom. The is no room for a scratching post in the hallway. Missing work is the pits, because I am an hourly employee, I have less than 2 days vacation to last until march, and I think there is another systm on it's way. Here's crossing my fingers that doesn't happen. Good news is we still have power. I started the generator yesterday to make sure it would start. Eric is disabled and cannot do those tyes of things. I hope everyone is safe and warm. Sally On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry the weather is bad and you're missing work because of it! It's pretty cold here, and our heater keeps going out. The landlord seems reluctant to fix it or have it replaced. I keep having this nagging feeling that I am forgetting something important, I can't figure out why. It's weird. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: winter day, home with the cats
It's cold here, but the heat is staying on so far since we relit it last time. It's 2 degrees out now, according to my porch thermometer. They make flat cat scratching pads you can hang on a doorknob. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=16097N=2002+113122 http://www.petco.com/Shop/Product.aspx?familyid=100604 http://www.felinefurniture.com/cat_toy_scratchnbuddy.php http://www.petdiscounters.com/c48/Hanging-Kitty-Scratcher-with-Toy-p1769.html?PETDISCO=ffrc07q7ltrsdsptjjajpgcb13 http://www.petsmart.com/global/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524441780018 http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Prod_Display.cfm?pcatid=11607N=2002+113122 Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Michelle
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