Re: [Felvtalk] 10 month old FelV cat

2013-03-20 Thread Lorrie
I took in a litter of 4 FelV kittens last summer.  Two have already died
(PTS) due to severe anemia.  Two are left, and one seems just fine, but the
other had a severe URI which the vet cured about a month ago. However, he is
still pitifully thin and weak. He is not anemic, but he barely eats, and
is still a sick little guy.  I adore this cat. Where can I get LTCI or
orally dosed Interferon Alfa?  And  can anyone tell me if it helps.

Lorrie

BarnCats wrote:
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis.  To address the
underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is
specifically for FELV+ cats.  Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another
excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have
multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life).
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] 10 month old FelV cat

2013-03-20 Thread Lance
For interferon alpha, you might try Roadrunner Pharmacy in Phoenix, AZ.
Not sure on the price, but I know it's better than we used to pay when
we bought interferon from the vet. LTCI is available directly from the
company, but a licensed vet needs to purchase. 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013, at 04:51 PM, Lorrie wrote:
 I took in a litter of 4 FelV kittens last summer.  Two have already died
 (PTS) due to severe anemia.  Two are left, and one seems just fine, but
 the
 other had a severe URI which the vet cured about a month ago. However, he
 is
 still pitifully thin and weak. He is not anemic, but he barely eats, and
 is still a sick little guy.  I adore this cat. Where can I get LTCI or
 orally dosed Interferon Alfa?  And  can anyone tell me if it helps.
 
 Lorrie
 
 BarnCats wrote:
 The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis.  To address the
 underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is
 specifically for FELV+ cats.  Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another
 excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have
 multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life).
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 10 month old FelV cat

2013-03-20 Thread hasinah . essop

Hi Lorrie

This is the first time I'm contributing since joining this list :) so a
quick intro. Romeo, my 4 year old domestic, was diagnosed a few months back
with Felv. Our Vet recommended interferon. He was recovering from a bladder
infection and had a bad case of diarrhea so we had to wait before starting
it. He was in a terrible state and had gone from 4.5kg to a little over 3kg
in less than 2 weeks. He stopped eating and we had to syringe-feed him. We
almost lost him. But with lots of prayer, love and care Romeo is doing
well.

1ml interferon is administered orally once a day every alternate week (the
week 'off' has to do with interferon's suppressing bone marrow production).
Its super cheap and a bottle lasts slightly more than a month. It must be
kept in the freezer so we only keep a few days' dose in the fridge.

Even though there are no reported side effects Romeo reacted so badly to
the first week that we stopped on day 5 (not wanting to eat, no energy,
fever, etc). The second week 'on' was much better and each time it
improved, I suppose as his body got used to it. We are now on month 3 or 4
and so far so good. But the interferon alone is not enough. He was still a
sad little cat, not very active (he's an outdoor cat so usually loves
running around) and we were struggling to get his weight up. It was only
when we incorporated a probiotic and a multivitamin / mineral in his diet
recently that he started improving and looking more like his normal self.

Try the interferon, its supposed to be freely available in most countries.
It stimulates the immune receptors in the cells and has really good
write-ups. But high doses cause negative effects and since I'm paranoid I
give Romeo slightly less than 1ml just to be on the safe side.

But give your little one a good (big) meal before the dose as it used to
put Romeo off food for about 6 or 7 hours thereafter (Romeo prefers small
meals fairly often). I can definitely recommend adding a multivitamin /
mineral supplement to the diet. We are using a high calorie one to
stimulate Romeo's appetite (Nutrostim by Kyron, the probiotic Protexin is
from the same company).

I feel your pain and I wish you well with the little guy.

Hasinah





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I took in a litter of 4 FelV kittens last summer.  Two have already died
(PTS) due to severe anemia.  Two are left, and one seems just fine, but the
other had a severe URI which the vet cured about a month ago. However, he
is
still pitifully thin and weak. He is not anemic, but he barely eats, and
is still a sick little guy.  I adore this cat. Where can I get LTCI or
orally dosed Interferon Alfa?  And  can anyone tell me if it helps.

Lorrie

BarnCats wrote:
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis.  To address the
underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is
specifically for FELV+ cats.  Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another
excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have
multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf
life).


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[Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread MaiMaiPG


I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide  
experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.


I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.   
She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she  
has gotten thin and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating  
pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.   
I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available  
and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out  
with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has had weight/ 
cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of the time but  
there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this  
world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for  
iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Beth
Only a vet can diagnose.
Anemia can cause cold. Are her gums pale?
Anemia can be caused by many things, including Hemobartonella, which one of my 
non-FeLV cats had. If it were that, she would die without meds.


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic.  Very Thin 8 year old cat
 

I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide  
experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.

I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.  
She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she  
has gotten thin and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating  
pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.  
I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available  
and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out  
with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has had weight/ 
cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of the time but  
there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this  
world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for  
iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 
      

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Lee Evans
Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more than 
normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account for the 
fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can be trapped, 
she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose test for diabetes. 
She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia or chronic anemia so a 
test for her hemoglobin level should also be done. These are things that 
various cats I have had living with me over the years developed as they 
aged.Hope it helps. You could also add NeutroVed to her food. It's a liquid 
iron and vitamin compound for cats.


 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:44 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic.  Very Thin 8 year old cat
 

I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience 
and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.

I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.  She has 
lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she has gotten thin 
and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and 
rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.  I can't be sure what she is 
eating but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. 
She has two cats who hang out with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  
Tommy has had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of 
the time but there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave 
this world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for 
iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.    
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Susan Hoffman
I hate to tell you this but you need to get her to a vet.  She should have a 
full blood panel, including checking thyroid values (T-4).  This could be so 
many things.  You need blood work to be able to properly diagnose and treat 
this.
 
I understand how hard it is to get a feral cat to the vet.  It took me a year 
to catch a semi-feral boy in my house and get him to the vet.  (He had severe 
stomatitis, just a horrible infection in his mouth.  But he is so much better 
now.)
 
1.  Do you have a vet who is good with hard to handle cats?  That's the first 
thing you need.
2.  Can you touch this cat at all?  Will she let you pet her when you bring 
food?  If she is at all touchable you need to get her used to neck rubs.  And 
leave an open carrier in her living space, preferably with towels and blankets 
inside.  You want her to get used to all of this because there will come a day 
when that neck rub turns into a scruff and stuff into the carrier.  (If the ca 
is absolutely unapproachable then you need to look into using a drop trap.)
 
This is a really difficult situation.  I've been there.  But for the sake of 
the cat you need to figure it out.  Her life may depend on it.
 
Oh, if you do the scruff and stuff, make sure you are fully committed.  Don't 
let go.  It will make it so much harder the next time.  Practice with a stuffed 
animal or something so you get the motions down pat.  Because when you have the 
real cat by the scruff of the neck and are tring to dump her in the carrier, 
you cannot let go till she is in the carrier.
 
When scruffing and stuffing a cat, you want the carrier up on end and the 
carrier door open.  You actually do a little flick of the wrist and let the 
cat's body weight carry her to the bottom of the carrier.  And you shut that 
carrier door real fast and keep it closed till you are in a room at the vet's 
office.  The vet may want to be ready with a sedative too.



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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat


I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience 
and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.

I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.  She has 
lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she has gotten thin 
and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and rice 
bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.  I can't be sure what she is eating 
but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has 
two cats who hang out with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has 
had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of the time but 
there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this world.  I 
am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for iron.  Any ideas 
would be greatly appreciated.    
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Lance
I found this page a few days ago, and it seems to offer good advice:

http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm

I occasionally put a little salt on Ember's food. I don't know if it
helps much, but it's supposed to stimulate appetite. 

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013, at 11:44 AM, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 
 I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide  
 experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.
 
 I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.   
 She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she  
 has gotten thin and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating  
 pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.   
 I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food available  
 and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who hang out  
 with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has had weight/ 
 cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of the time but  
 there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this  
 world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for  
 iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread MaiMaiPG
I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and  
would if it was an option.  I have live traps etc.  Once this crew is  
trapped, they are rarely trapped again.  She can't be handled nor can  
the others.  It is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate  
them to my farm.  They live at my Mom's and she died.  Her house will  
be sold.  I have examined all the trap/vet possibilities.  Honest.   
Consider that there will be no way of treating her for diabetes or  
even thyroid issues over any period of time unless she is imprisoned  
at the vets for the rest of her life.


I will check the Neutro Ved for her food.  Sometimes I can get  
supplements into her food and other times I can't.  These guys are  
very wild.  Think of this in terms of treating a possum or coon that  
lives near you.  And yes, she is very loved but she is very wild too.

On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or  
more than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could  
also account for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking  
and dry? If she can be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile  
(T-3 and T-4) and a glucose test for diabetes. She may have the  
equivalent of human pernicious anemia or chronic anemia so a test  
for her hemoglobin level should also be done. These are things that  
various cats I have had living with me over the years developed as  
they aged.Hope it helps. You could also add NeutroVed to her food.  
It's a liquid iron and vitamin compound for cats.



Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and  
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From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:44 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat


I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide  
experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.


I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.   
She has lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she  
has gotten thin and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating  
pad, Snuggle Safes and rice bags for her on top of rubber maid  
totes.  I can't be sure what she is eating but there is always food  
available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has two cats who  
hang out with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has  
had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of  
the time but there have been days that she looked like she was ready  
to leave this world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything else I  
canthink of for iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Christiane Biagi
A couple of suggestions for food.  

.Gerber Stage 2 Baby Food-ham, turkey, beef (has no onion in it)

.Fancy Feast original chicken-most cats think its chocolate cake

.Warm Kentucky Fried Chicken (without bones)-trappers swear by it.

.Don't know where you are but White Rose regular tuna cat food (not
the stew)-its cheap dark meat tuna and the ferals in my old colony loved it.

.ANYTHING else you can get in her-yogurt, tuna water, cold cuts, and
on and on.

 

I know what you mean about treating a feral-don't know if they use a box but
if you can get a urine sample out of that, you could get a lot of info from
that.  Also, think about getting some of her poop for fecal-could be
parasite.  Another thought might be if you have a cooperative vet to simply
try her on some thyroid meds for a bit and see if it helps.  Getting a cat
to take pills is tricky, I know.  I've had some success with small pieces of
pill pockets.  For my old colony, I've used liverwurst-that's another food
they seem to run for.

 

Good for you for trying with these guys.  I know it can't be easy..

 

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I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and would
if it was an option.  I have live traps etc.  Once this crew is trapped,
they are rarely trapped again.  She can't be handled nor can the others.  It
is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate them to my farm.  They
live at my Mom's and she died.  Her house will be sold.  I have examined all
the trap/vet possibilities.  Honest.  Consider that there will be no way of
treating her for diabetes or even thyroid issues over any period of time
unless she is imprisoned at the vets for the rest of her life.  

 

I will check the Neutro Ved for her food.  Sometimes I can get supplements
into her food and other times I can't.  These guys are very wild.  Think of
this in terms of treating a possum or coon that lives near you.  And yes,
she is very loved but she is very wild too.  

On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:





Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more
than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account
for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can
be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose
test for diabetes. She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia or
chronic anemia so a test for her hemoglobin level should also be done. These
are things that various cats I have had living with me over the years
developed as they aged.Hope it helps. You could also add NeutroVed to her
food. It's a liquid iron and vitamin compound for cats.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 


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I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide
experience and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.

I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.  She has
lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she has gotten thin
and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and
rice bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.  I can't be sure what she is
eating but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the
mix. She has two cats who hang out with her.  They have all been
neutered/spayed.  Tommy has had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks.
She acts ok most of the time but there have been days that she looked like
she was ready to leave this world.  I am trying chcken livers and anything
else I canthink of for iron.  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread KG BarnCats
Thanks for reaching out in your desperation to help your mom's kitty.
Sorry you lost your mom, btw.

In my opinion, this cat has to get to the vet, even if only for
euthanasia.  It would be great to do exam/bloodwork first though, if
finances allow -- just in case it's easily treatable.  Euthanasia would be
better than slow starvation.

If she is shy of the standard box trap, then a drop trap is awesome.  See
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=products.viewproduct_id=30250 for
full kit with trap and transfer cage.   They can be made, too, if you are
handy. I'm totally not, so I bought the drop trap and it is great for
trap-shy cats.

 Failing that, what about asking the vet about some kind of sedative like
acepromazine?  This could be fed via pill pocket or perhaps crushed in her
food.  (I've never crushed it, not sure if it's bitter...  PP have always
worked for me.) This med would make her calmer, more sleepy, and possibly
slow enough where you could very slowly herd her into a trap.  Having a
friend with a large sheet of cardboard could really help.

A large door dog wire crate is great for housing feral cats during
treatment.  Ask a friend with a big dog, if you can borrow their crate.
You can put the trap right inside the crate and work completely hands-off,
especially if the trap has a guillotine door.  If not, it's just a little
more difficult but not impossible.  I recommend the setup as seen at
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FOSTERING_A_FERAL_CAT_SAFELY , with
the exception that the trap/carrier door should face AWAY from the crate
door opening, with maybe 6 at most between the trap door and the back wall
of the wire crate.  That way, if you have to work with the cat without it
being secured in the closed trap/carrier, the cat has to come out, turn
around and then head for the door -- that buys you extra time to react.
Bungee cords are great for holding the trap/carrier door open - you can
hook the door and pull it up from external to the crate.  A second bungee
can hold the trap in palce.  An extended wire coat hanger can help grab the
trap door handle too. . For a litter box, I  recommend getting a $3 kitchen
dish wash tub.  The high sides will keep litter from going everywhere, and
it's easy to clean.  I like the 18 liter size tub (
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-18-Qt-Dishpan-White/17011369 ) but I
typically use 42-48 double door wire dog crates.   Just so much easier to
fit everything in, and to work in.

If she is diabetic, getting her on low carb wet food (no more dry kibble
ever) will in all likelihood put her into remission within a week or two.
Especially if she can get insulin shots for a week or two, but even if not,
the symptoms should drop dramatically with low carb wet food.   I can
advise more on this separately, having worked with diabetics since 2007.

If the cat is hyperthyroid, surgery could be a great option. It is usually
a cure.  The vet at Helping Hands in Richmond is extremely experienced and
will do the surgery for around $500 including bloodwork and everything
else. I just had it done for one of my old girls and she is gaining weight
beautifully.  It was 1/3 the cost of radiation treatment.

You could make an insulated bed for pretty cheap.  A roll of reflectix can
be bought at your local hardware store.  It is a thin flexible
silvery insulation that reflects back 95% of body heat.  Add some straw for
nesting material, and then the Snuggle safe would make it awesomely warm.

 Where are you located?  (town name or something nonspecific like, 45 min
north-west of whatever city)


KG




On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and
 would if it was an option.  I have live traps etc.  Once this crew is
 trapped, they are rarely trapped again.  She can't be handled nor can the
 others.  It is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate them to my
 farm.  They live at my Mom's and she died.  Her house will be sold.  I have
 examined all the trap/vet possibilities.  Honest.  Consider that there will
 be no way of treating her for diabetes or even thyroid issues over any
 period of time unless she is imprisoned at the vets for the rest of her
 life.

 I will check the Neutro Ved for her food.  Sometimes I can get supplements
 into her food and other times I can't.  These guys are very wild.  Think of
 this in terms of treating a possum or coon that lives near you.  And yes,
 she is very loved but she is very wild too.

  On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

  Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more
 than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account
 for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can
 be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose
 test for diabetes. She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia
 or chronic anemia so 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11

2013-03-20 Thread Margo


For interferon alpha, you might try Roadrunner Pharmacy in Phoenix, AZ.
Not sure on the price, but I know it's better than we used to pay when
we bought interferon from the vet. LTCI is available directly from the
company, but a licensed vet needs to purchase. 


  I recently ordered Interferon Alpha from RoadRunner, and paid about $42 for 
two months worth. I asked for a strength of 120 mgs/ml, as Gribble is not very 
co-operative, and a .25 ml dose is less for him to spit out. So far, so good. 
He starts his second on week on Saturday. He's also getting DMG, B complex, 
and Lysine, for a URI that keeps hanging on. He will start ImmunoRegulin next 
week, I think.

  Sadly, I'm currently away from him so can't say first hand how he's doing, 
but he has improved since his diagnosis.

All the best,

Margo

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