OT: I'm back!
Hi all! Wanted to let you all know I'm back home again. It was a much neededholiday to visit my daughter, son in law, and most importantly my grandbaby in CO. :) Proud Gma here! My son in law has gone back to IRAQ again this time it will be for a year...please pray for our troops that are over there fighting for freedom. Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
Re: CLS - Monday January 3, 2004
Kathy, You're right and I see that somehow I removed Legolas when I put up this year's page, I have put her back on 2004's page. Sorry about that. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
Re: kitty needs home: Northern NJ
This is great news! I live in very Western New Jersey - I would be happy to drive her out to you. I plugged Dayton, OH into mapquest and its an 8-hour drive so if you could meet me somewhere around the border of OH that would be FANTASTIC. I would just have to do it on a weekend or I could take a day off from work next week. I could pick her up from theanimal hospitaland keep her with me until the transport. I will e-mail you offlist and we can figure out the details :) THANK YOU :)[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rachel, Since Legolas died, I have room for another FeLV+, but I'm in Dayton OH. If there's any way we could set up a transport relay, I'd be happy to have her come here. I can comfortably go as far as the eastern border of Ohio (financially and time wise). Can anyone here help? Where there's life, there's hope."Chance Favors the prepared mind." ~ Louis PasteurKathy Rachel "Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog" C. Doran Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: OT: I'm back!
Terrie, Prayers for your son-in-laws safety. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
RE: I'm back!
Title: Message Welcome back Terrie. And please pass on my best wishes to your son in law for his safe homecoming. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@vlists.netCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: OT: I'm back! Hi all! Wanted to let you all know I'm back home again. It was a much neededholiday to visit my daughter, son in law, and most importantly my grandbaby in CO. :) Proud Gma here! My son in law has gone back to IRAQ again this time it will be for a year...please pray for our troops that are over there fighting for freedom. Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. aks.jpglogobuttonsq.jpg
Re: Tai has gone to the bridge
Dear Kristi, I am so sorry for your loss; I wish that Tai had been healthier in her short life with you, but I know that she lived surrounded by love. Take care of yourself. Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please all say a goodnight prayer to Tai Tai she has gone to the rainbow bridge. She was the 8month old that was abandoned at my vet hospital after being found under a porch. I had her such a short while yet I miss her prescence so much. She was sick the whole time I had her which makes it so hard to know I did right by her, but I know I did what was best, it just takes time to accept that. I was with her while she fell asleep so that brings some comfort. She fought sooo hard her PCV was around 6 and she weighed only 3.5lbs. Its so sad having to make the decision for them when they are fighting. She sat upright today and was mewing, she even raised her butt the tiniest bit for a pat but also Tonight her breathing was more labored than ever and after getting fluids (which she hated) she started open mouth breathing and gasping, I rushed her to my clinic where she only did well! while on oxygen. I was grooming her and cleaning off her fur while talking to the doctor abo!ut what to do and her skin actually came off, I know its horrid to talk about but its late right know and I'm alone and I know that all of you understand. The doctor said it sloughed because of lack of blood supply, Tai didn't even flinch, which meant it was dead tissue. She also said that when they are as sick as Tai they will have lucid moments when the end is getting nearer, almost appear more loving. It was then we decided it was time because if that was what it did to her skin what did her organs look like, and it was an open wound that wasn't even bleeding. It just makes me stunned at what a fighter she was yet hurt that I took that fight away no matter how much I feel it was the right descision and despite having had to make it before I never feels quite ok even if it is the right thing to do. I'm sleeping with all my other fur kids tonight, I need all the purring I can get, and m! aybe they and I will talk about how much we admired and loved Tai Tai.Thank you all for listening (reading) and for your being there to get this off my chest, this is a very supportive group. Sincerely, Kristi, Homer, Val, Gretchen, Matilda, Nala ( they appreciate your support too)"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tai has gone to the bridge
Dear Kristi, I am so sorry for your loss; I wish that Tai had been healthier in her short life with you, but I know that she lived surrounded by love. Take care of yourself. Love, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please all say a goodnight prayer to Tai Tai she has gone to the rainbow bridge. She was the 8month old that was abandoned at my vet hospital after being found under a porch. I had her such a short while yet I miss her prescence so much. She was sick the whole time I had her which makes it so hard to know I did right by her, but I know I did what was best, it just takes time to accept that. I was with her while she fell asleep so that brings some comfort. She fought sooo hard her PCV was around 6 and she weighed only 3.5lbs. Its so sad having to make the decision for them when they are fighting. She sat upright today and was mewing, she even raised her butt the tiniest bit for a pat but also Tonight her breathing was more labored than ever and after getting fluids (which she hated) she started open mouth breathing and gasping, I rushed her to my clinic where she only did well! while on oxygen. I was grooming her and cleaning off her fur while talking to the doctor abo!ut what to do and her skin actually came off, I know its horrid to talk about but its late right know and I'm alone and I know that all of you understand. The doctor said it sloughed because of lack of blood supply, Tai didn't even flinch, which meant it was dead tissue. She also said that when they are as sick as Tai they will have lucid moments when the end is getting nearer, almost appear more loving. It was then we decided it was time because if that was what it did to her skin what did her organs look like, and it was an open wound that wasn't even bleeding. It just makes me stunned at what a fighter she was yet hurt that I took that fight away no matter how much I feel it was the right descision and despite having had to make it before I never feels quite ok even if it is the right thing to do. I'm sleeping with all my other fur kids tonight, I need all the purring I can get, and m! aybe they and I will talk about how much we admired and loved Tai Tai.Thank you all for listening (reading) and for your being there to get this off my chest, this is a very supportive group. Sincerely, Kristi, Homer, Val, Gretchen, Matilda, Nala ( they appreciate your support too)"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Tai has gone to the bridge
Dear Kristi, I'm SO SORRY. How lucky Tai Tai was to have such love, if only for a short time! Most animalsand many people aren't so lucky. You didn't end her fight...you helped her to win it, because NOW she does have a healthy body and is surrounded by love. I've never had an felv cat, but had the trama and pleasure of rescuing one and placing him in a home where he is LOVED. THAT was such a trail in itself -finding someone like yourself who would look past the physcial and emotional trama to come and think only of Tai... So on behalf of Tai Tai and all the others out there...thank you. T[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please all say a goodnight prayer to Tai Tai she has gone to the rainbow bridge. She was the 8month old that was abandoned at my vet hospital after being found under a porch. I had her such a short while yet I miss her prescence so much. She was sick the whole time I had her which makes it so hard to know I did right by her, but I know I did what was best, it just takes time to accept that. I was with her while she fell asleep so that brings some comfort. She fought sooo hard her PCV was around 6 and she weighed only 3.5lbs. Its so sad having to make the decision for them when they are fighting. She sat upright today and was mewing, she even raised her butt the tiniest bit for a pat but also Tonight her breathing was more labored than ever and after getting fluids (which she hated) she started open mouth breathing and gasping, I rushed her to my clinic where she only did well! ! while on oxygen. I was grooming her and cleaning off her fur while talking to the doctor abo!ut what to do and her skin actually came off, I know its horrid to talk about but its late right know and I'm alone and I know that all of you understand. The doctor said it sloughed because of lack of blood supply, Tai didn't even flinch, which meant it was dead tissue. She also said that when they are as sick as Tai they will have lucid moments when the end is getting nearer, almost appear more loving. It was then we decided it was time because if that was what it did to her skin what did her organs look like, and it was an open wound that wasn't even bleeding. It just makes me stunned at what a fighter she was yet hurt that I took that fight away no matter how much I feel it was the right descision and despite having had to make it before I never feels quite ok even if it is the right thing to do. I'm sleeping with all my other fur kids tonight, I need all the purring I can get, an! d m! aybe they and I will talk about how much we admired and loved Tai Tai.Thank you all for listening (reading) and for your being there to get this off my chest, this is a very supportive group. Sincerely, Kristi, Homer, Val, Gretchen, Matilda, Nala ( they appreciate your support too)"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Legolas and Tai Tai
I want to send big hugs for tai and legolas moms. I lost my tabatha 2 years ago on xmas, so i can relate to your sad feelings. please remember you did the best you could and they were loved to the very last minute. macarena
OT - Smoky's bladder
Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Dear Barb, Best wishes and good vibes on the way to Smoky and to you; hopefully it's "only" an infection and you caught it early! I know what you mean about the vet bills! I keep telling myself to take deep breaths! Love, Julie Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free! "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
His white blood cell count is pushing towards the higher end of normal (17000 with 19000 being the high end) and the cells look very young. They are trying to get a sterile urine sample for a culture, but his bladder is so sensitive that he'll spasm after straining and squirt out urine onto the counter. Frequently with blood clots. They haven't been able to do a urinalysis so far because there is so much blood. One draw looked like it came from a vein and not his bladder his kidney and liver values are fine - although, looking at the fax, his creatinine is at the very high end of normal. his glucose is a bit above normal, but the vet said stress can do that. she gave him a couple of different drugs to make him more comfortable and he's not as fussy now. I'm really worried about my big boy...Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Barb, Best wishes and good vibes on the way to Smoky and to you; hopefully it's "only" an infection and you caught it early! I know what you mean about the vet bills! I keep telling myself to take deep breaths! Love, Julie Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free! "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo!
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Oh, poor Smoky! Yes, stress absolutely can elevate the glucose level; it's one of the reasonsI started home-testing my diabetics, so that I would be able to have something to compare the office readings to. All best wishes on the way; it can be so scary waiting for all the testing. Still "hoping" for a run-of-the-mill infection. Love, JulieBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His white blood cell count is pushing towards the higher end of normal (17000 with 19000 being the high end) and the cells look very young. They are trying to get a sterile urine sample for a culture, but his bladder is so sensitive that he'll spasm after straining and squirt out urine onto the counter. Frequently with blood clots. They haven't been able to do a urinalysis so far because there is so much blood. One draw looked like it came from a vein and not his bladder his kidney and liver values are fine - although, looking at the fax, his creatinine is at the very high end of normal. his glucose is a bit above normal, but the vet said stress can do that. she gave him a couple of different drugs to make him more comfortable and he's not as fussy now. I'm really worried about my big boy...Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Barb, Best wishes and good vibes on the way to Smoky and to you; hopefully it's "only" an infection and you caught it early! I know what you mean about the vet bills! I keep telling myself to take deep breaths! Love, Julie Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free! "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo!"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
Title: Message I'm rooting for you and little Smoky, Barb. Hopefully the right medication will fix the problem. Please keep us posted when you have time re his progress--I know how worried you must be. Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com Get yours free!
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
I have prayed for you and Smoky. I hope it is something easily treated. From: Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: OT - Smoky's bladder Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from vlists.net ([208.186.168.62]) by mc9-f3.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:41 -0800 Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j04Htfg16931for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:41 -0600 Received: by vps.vlists.net (TLB v0.11a (1.26 tibbs 1998/09/22 04:41:41)); Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:55:40 -0600 (CST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id j04Htde16816for felvtalk-utils; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:39 -0600 Received: from web41202.mail.yahoo.com (web41202.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.35])by vlists.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j04HtOX16697for felvtalk@vlists.net; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:55:24 -0600 Received: (qmail 70877 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 17:55:08 - Received: from [165.189.51.130] by web41202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 09:55:08 PST X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jFqIv+9Q+iVwfRJiUNvLbsH Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=URVR1zvzxHARoyUy7iQBiHa6qx3XdGVt7NVtUp5edQfIlD3mo2U6Rn7kLlj+byncHVnYHCtv5VH2Yk7ihXiPS57N46jVc38AEHELZ6vgMX43gk5WDWAuNU8mNZkXiS4maqGabYmkLueSIbsyWnW1bB4X5N+LQHoiAYus5tEbPxk= ; Virus-Information: Virus Scanned By VLists.Net For Your Protection. Virus-Status: VLists.Net Found No Virus Spam-Status: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.373, required 5, AWL -0.02,BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_10_20 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Precedence: list Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2005 17:55:41.0113 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AE00A90:01C4F286] Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said "little Smoky" I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:) This morning was nuts - I found the blood, had to call work to tell them I had to do the vet thing (and miss the meeting), but I'd already had an appointment to get my stitches out and cast on (I had carpal tunnel surgery last week) and then I had to wrangle the boys and drive CAREFULLY to the vet and then rush to the hospital for my stuff and then back to the vet to go over the estimate (ouch) and I visited the boys for a few minutes and Smoky was very happy to see me, although he did NOT come out from under the chair- Bandit was just scared, still in the carrier - I have a very soft pad in there, so it's quite comfy. I have a great deal of confidence in my vet, this is just scary and I feel so bad for Smoky - he hates being out of the house and he's in pain and it could still be three or four different things going on but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:) I will definitely keep y'all posted!!Thanks for the support and vibes!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!! ? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free!Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
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Title: Message Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it wasthe very same vetthat had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here'sa Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I beganadding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again. No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption. I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. ButI equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any ideas or input. Thanks, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:36 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said "little Smoky" I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:) This morning was nuts - I found the blood, had to call work to tell them I had to do the vet thing (and miss the meeting), but I'd already had an appointment to get my stitches out and cast on (I had carpal tunnel surgery last week) and then I had to wrangle the boys and drive CAREFULLY to the vet and then rush to the hospital for my stuff and then back to the vet to go over the estimate (ouch) and I visited the boys for a few minutes and Smoky was very happy to see me, although he did NOT come out from under the chair- Bandit was just scared, still in the carrier - I have a very soft pad in there, so it's quite comfy. I have a great deal of confidence in my vet, this is just scary and I feel so bad for Smoky - he hates being out of the house and he's in pain and it could still be three or four different things going on but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:) I will definitely keep y'all posted!!Thanks for the support and vibes!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous
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Do all of them partake at treat time? I sprinkle the prozyme on their dry food. I occasionally also use L-glutamine (intestinal health). Bandit has problems keeping his weight up too - he's usually somewhere between 9.5-10 pounds, he was 9lb15oz this morning so that's good:) Can you get Eagle Pack in your area? here's a link to their site: http://www.eaglepack.com/pages/which_cat.html they also have a search available for you to find the nearest retailer who either stocks or will order it for you other than that I really don't know - Smoky is difficult that way - he's too darn smart. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it wasthe very same vetthat had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here'sa Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I beganadding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again. No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption. I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. ButI equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any ideas or input. Thanks, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 1:36 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said "little Smoky" I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:) This morning was nuts - I found the blood, had to call work to tell them I had to do the vet thing (and miss the meeting), but I'd already had an appointment to get my stitches out and cast on (I had carpal tunnel surgery last week) and then I had to wrangle the boys and drive CAREFULLY to the vet and then rush to the hospital for my stuff and then back to the vet to go over the estimate (ouch) and I visited the boys for a few minutes and Smoky was very happy to see me, although he did NOT come out from under the chair- Bandit was just scared, still in the carrier - I have a very soft pad in there, so it's quite comfy. I have a great deal of confidence in my vet, this is just scary and I feel so bad for Smoky - he hates being out of the house and he's in pain and it could still be three or four different things going on but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:) I will definitely keep y'all posted!!Thanks for the support and vibes!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy.NinaBarb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be
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Hi I rescued a male cat about 2 weeks ago. He was going to freeze to death if someone didn't take him in, and my husband and I couldn't just leave him to die.He was so cold he was climbing into my SUV while it was running. We were leaving a Christmas party the week before Christmas, drove from house to house looking for his owner. No one claimed him. So he is MINE. I sort of had some suspicion or intuition there was a problem with him. He had diarrhea pretty bad... found out when he wouldn't use his new litter boxoh yes we stopped at the store on the way home to get all the goodies Kitty would love to have. I still felt something wasn't right so we separated him from our other rescue who is a full ferrel and will not share his home with no one but my hubby and I. He will run people out of HIS house. So our New Kitty took up residence in our office which is another building on our property. Our vet wasn't in until Monday. Monday had the first appt. open. Still didn't feel right about his health. It was all confirmed when vet came back holding the test they do in the office. FeLV+. As usual she waited for this huge reaction to this info.what did she even think. There was no way unless he was so far gone there was nothing else to do. We did a round of antibiotics, something for the diarrhea, meds for worms, and interferon 1ml every other day. So far he seems to be a healthy luv bug. Tips suggestions anything I would like to hear from anyone who has had some experience with this. Thanks for listening. Teri
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I hope she is checking him for FUS, cyrstals in the bladder? Lots of prayers coming to all of you. Skeeter had this happen and I got him to the vet just in time his bladder was so full had I waited any longer it would have burst!! They cathedered him and emptied his bladder and then he was on DL-methionine, until we switched to Science Died CD (I think that's what it was, this was almost 20 years ago) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
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Honestly barb, it sounds like his bladdder is full, have they tried cathering him? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
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Oh my, you've had quite a morning! I hate it when I have to do something that my cats don't appreciate, but as we all know, cat logic is based on living in the moment, and not always what is best in the long run. Take a deep breath and be careful out there. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: LOL he may know I'm trying to help him, but he still won't forgive me for putting him in the carrier and taking out of the house! And Kerry said little Smoky I had to laugh, he's 17.5 pounds!! Relatively speaking, mammal-wise, that's small:) This morning was nuts - I found the blood, had to call work to tell them I had to do the vet thing (and miss the meeting), but I'd already had an appointment to get my stitches out and cast on (I had carpal tunnel surgery last week) and then I had to wrangle the boys and drive CAREFULLY to the vet and then rush to the hospital for my stuff and then back to the vet to go over the estimate (ouch) and I visited the boys for a few minutes and Smoky was very happy to see me, although he did NOT come out from under the chair - Bandit was just scared, still in the carrier - I have a very soft pad in there, so it's quite comfy. I have a great deal of confidence in my vet, this is just scary and I feel so bad for Smoky - he hates being out of the house and he's in pain and it could still be three or four different things going on but last night he got a lovely gentle belly rub and was purring so loud my husband could hear him across the room - about 20' that's why his working name was Diesel:) I will definitely keep y'all posted!! Thanks for the support and vibes! */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I'm so sorry about Smoky's troubles. I'm sure you're feeling overwhelmed with anxiety right now, try and take it one step at a time. You're doing everything you can to help him, I'm sure he knows that. I'm sending you and Smoky love and healing energy. Nina Barb Moermond wrote: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. He's been weird the last couple of days and I found fresh blood on his peeper this morning. I'd found a very bloody clump in the box yesterday, but I assumed it was fecal matter because that's what his chronic problem has been. I took the boys in this morning (Bandit was along for moral support) and I spoke to the vet once and she said that there was so much blood in the sterile sample they took that it was coagulating. oof. I'm waiting for her to call back with some test results on his blood and urine and I'm so worried about my big guy. Please send your magic vibes his way and my wallet's way, the bill is already at $350 I can cover this, but not much more - If I could afford it, nothing would be an issue, I have no problem spending the $$ on their care. it's just another worry - esp at this time of year... but hopefully we've caught this early, the piddle on the bed yesterday was not discolored at all... pray for him!! Thanks folks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!! ? The all-new My Yahoo! Get yours free! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
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They are keeping an eye on him and as he is getting small amounts out, he's not blocked. I'm going to be calling them shortly to see if they were able to get a sterile sample. I really hope they were because they need to do a culture. I will ask themabout usingcatheter on him. The only test they were able to do on the urine was cytology and they didn't see any crystals. The x-rays have a shadow that they believe is cellular (blood clots) because of the amount of blood in there:( Will keep you posted!Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly barb, it sounds like his bladdder is full, have they triedcathering him?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsVote For Ushttp://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1---Web Design Porfoliohttp://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolioBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
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Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My feral turned house cat, Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural venison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has been tampered with. If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. Much love, Nina */MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at lights out time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I began adding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again. No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption. I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. But I equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any ideas or input. Thanks, Kerry
Re: food dilemma - Kerry
Hi Nina, If Gypsy has to have a novel protein diet to eliminate allergies, could you try just giving her cooked venison? Or, ostrich, Or, duck (maybe she's already sampled that, though). I know some supermarkets do carry wild game and if she'd just eat something you'd probably both feel better! I think you could accomplish the test using people-food rather than cat-food. Maybe it's something in the air (post-Holiday depression?) but I added 1 new supplement (Barley Cat) on Sunday night and you should have seen the 40-ish little noses turned straigh up in the air! I mean, they wouldn't even consider it! Hope this helps! Julie p.s. I've named a beautiful mackeral tabby in my feral colony "Gypsy"!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kerry,Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again?I'm having a food dilemma myself. My "feral turned house cat", Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has "been tampered with". If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, "All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you.Much love,Nina */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I began adding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again.! t; No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption. I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. But I equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any ideas or input. Thanks, Kerry "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
Barb, Sorry to hear about Smoky sending healing vibes his way. Carla
Re: food dilemma - Kerry
I've had success with those Pill Pockets-some sort of gooey capsule you can hide the pills in and also that high calcium energy broth anitra frazer has in her book. they love that when I pour some on their wet food. (tho my family complains that I never cook for them just the cats and dog...) I can't find the book right now in this black hole of an office but I think the recipe's in the archives,no? I've also cooked chicken livers and mashed them up when the gang gets finicky. knock on wood everybody's eating fine--I know the sense of anxiety and frustration full well when one of the positives starts going off their food and leaves their food dish full of expensive supplements untouched. Barbara and angels Jelly Roll, Lenny, Skippy and the devils on earth-Princess 7 Layer Eats alot, Puff Daddy, Dieffenbacher, Milk Dud, Dopey, and the +'s-Mr. Bean and Clancy...and the d*g who suffers them all-Frasier
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Thank you for the suggestions Julie. I did cook her a duck, but at the time I was afraid that it was too fatty for her, and I was concerned about balanced nutrition, (she hates Nutri-Cal by the way). It's unbelievable how somebody so deathly thin can be so picky! I haven't been able to find a source for fresh/frozen venison yet, I'll get back on the search. Ostrich is an idea I hadn't thought about. I think Gypsy is such a great name! When I brought my girl into the vets office (I trapped her in a TNR program for my colony), the vet assistant asked me if she had a name. She hadn't yet, but I found myself saying, yes, her name is Gypsy, and don't tip her ear! Nina Julie Johnson wrote: Hi Nina, If Gypsy has to have a novel protein diet to eliminate allergies, could you try just giving her cooked venison? Or, ostrich, Or, duck (maybe she's already sampled that, though). I know some supermarkets do carry wild game and if she'd just eat something you'd probably both feel better! I think you could accomplish the test using people-food rather than cat-food. Maybe it's something in the air (post-Holiday depression?) but I added 1 new supplement (Barley Cat) on Sunday night and you should have seen the 40-ish little noses turned straigh up in the air! I mean, they wouldn't even consider it! Hope this helps! Julie p.s. I've named a beautiful mackeral tabby in my feral colony Gypsy! *//*
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Barb, Just an FTI, even when they have crystals they can get out small amounts I realized Skeeter had been straining to pee for a few days but never really thought anything about it until like you he was dripping bloody pee on the floor after trying to go. They don't have to not be able to get anything out to have this condition, ad it is deadly if not diagnosed. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
The reason they'd wanted to wait was for the bladder to get more fluid in it - it had been quite flaccid and they'd wanted a good sample. They were just able to get one and Smoky is resting comfortably now (better living through pharmaceuticals) and snuggling w/Bandit. I'll be able to pick them up in about 1.5 hrs... they are doing the analysis as I type.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are keeping an eye on him and as he is getting small amounts out, he's not blocked. I'm going to be calling them shortly to see if they were able to get a sterile sample. I really hope they were because they need to do a culture. I will ask themabout usingcatheter on him. The only test they were able to do on the urine was cytology and they didn't see any crystals. The x-rays have a shadow that they believe is cellular (blood clots) because of the amount of blood in there:( Will keep you posted!Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly barb, it sounds like his bladdder is full, have they triedcathering him?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsVote For Ushttp://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1---Web Design Porfoliohttp://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolioBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
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Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or "cat milk"...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus cornand high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) andegg whiteso you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kerry,Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again?I'm having a food dilemma myself. My "feral turned house cat", Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has "been tampered with". If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, "All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you.Much love,Nina */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I began adding the Prozyme. Just one little supplement, nothing like the cocktail they were getting before. I hoped I could get them weaned slowly back on to all of them again.! t; No dice. Back to 2 cans' consumption. I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. But I equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
Title: Message Barb, We are pulling for Smoky here. I know all will be fine. Joan -Original Message-From: Barb Moermond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:32 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder The reason they'd wanted to wait was for the bladder to get more fluid in it - it had been quite flaccid and they'd wanted a good sample. They were just able to get one and Smoky is resting comfortably now (better living through pharmaceuticals) and snuggling w/Bandit. I'll be able to pick them up in about 1.5 hrs... they are doing the analysis as I type.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are keeping an eye on him and as he is getting small amounts out, he's not blocked. I'm going to be calling them shortly to see if they were able to get a sterile sample. I really hope they were because they need to do a culture. I will ask themabout usingcatheter on him. The only test they were able to do on the urine was cytology and they didn't see any crystals. The x-rays have a shadow that they believe is cellular (blood clots) because of the amount of blood in there:( Will keep you posted!Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Honestly barb, it sounds like his bladdder is full, have they triedcathering him?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsVote For Ushttp://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1---Web Design Porfoliohttp://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolioBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
OK, lots of prayers that it is something easily remedied!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls Vote For Us http://www.bemikitties.com/toplist/cgi-bin/topsites.cgi?id=1 --- Web Design Porfolio http://www.bemikitties.com/bmksamples.htm#portfolio
Re: food dilemma
Waltham has a special protein diet selection - they have wet venison food.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the suggestions Julie. I did cook her a duck, but at the time I was afraid that it was too fatty for her, and I was concerned about balanced nutrition, (she hates Nutri-Cal by the way). It's unbelievable how somebody so deathly thin can be so picky! I haven't been able to find a source for fresh/frozen venison yet, I'll get back on the search. Ostrich is an idea I hadn't thought about.I think "Gypsy" is such a great name! When I brought my girl into the vets office (I trapped her in a TNR program for my colony), the vet assistant asked me if she had a name. She hadn't yet, but I found myself saying, yes, her name is Gypsy, and don't tip her ear!NinaJulie Johnson wrote: Hi Nina, If Gypsy has to have a novel protein diet to eliminate allergies, could you try just givi! ng her cooked venison? Or, ostrich, Or, duck (maybe she's already sampled that, though). I know some supermarkets do carry wild game and if she'd just eat something you'd probably both feel better! I think you could accomplish the test using people-food rather than cat-food. Maybe it's something in the air (post-Holiday depression?) but I added 1 new supplement (Barley Cat) on Sunday night and you should have seen the 40-ish little noses turned straigh up in the air! I mean, they wouldn't even consider it! Hope this helps! Julie p.s. I've named a beautiful mackeral tabby in my feral colony "Gypsy"! *//*Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." ! - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.
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Thank you Tamara. Where can I find fish food flakes? Nina tamara stickler wrote: Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or cat milk...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus corn and high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) and egg white so you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at 325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My feral turned house cat, Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has been tampered with. If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. Much love, Nina */MacKenzie, Kerry N. /* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at lights out time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a couple of weeks, I
Re: food dilemma
Here's a good one for you... I just put a bowl of the dog's dry lamb and rice in front of Gypsy and she's happily munching away. Just go ahead and try to figure! Nina tamara stickler wrote: Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or cat milk...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus corn and high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) and egg white so you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at 325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My feral turned house cat, Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has been tampered with. If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. Much love, Nina */MacKenzie, Kerry N. /* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at lights out time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I
Gloria / interferon
Bossy as all of our employees are calling him now,is about 9 1/2 lbs. I don't know if weight has to do with the amount or if it is because my vet is treating a FIV ( 3 years now) with the same dose. I really know nothing about this. This is my first timedealing with thisproblem. I did however take in a small kitten years ago who died with this just days after we brought him in. If I can find any answer as to why the dose I will pass it on. He does have mixed bowel movements. I think the lamb and rice (CANNED) may be the problem. I am reducing it and giving more dry food now. Teri "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a wonderful story - are you saying that the diarrhea is gone? Also I've been giving .5ml Interferon, and have heard of others giving 1ml - wondering if I should up the dosage? GloriaAt 02:13 PM 1/4/2005, you wrote:Hi I rescued a male cat about 2 weeks ago. He was going to freeze to death if someone didn't take him in, and my husband and I couldn't just leave him to die.He was so cold he was climbing into my SUV while it was running. We were leaving a Christmas party the week before Christmas, drove from house to house looking for his owner. No one claimed him. So he is MINE. I sort of had some suspicion or intuition there was a problem with him. He had diarrhea pretty bad... found out when he wouldn't use his new litter boxoh yes we stopped at the store on the way home to get all the goodies Kitty would love to have. I still felt something wasn't right ! so we separated him from our other rescue who is a full ferrel and will not share his home with no one but my hubby and I. He will run people out of HIS house. So our New Kitty took up residence in our office which is another building on our property. Our vet wasn't in until Monday.Monday had the first appt. open. Still didn't feel right about his health. It was all confirmed when vet came back holding the test they do in the office. FeLV+. As usual she waited for this huge reaction to this info.what did she even think. There was no way unless he was so far gone there was nothing else to do.We did a round of antibiotics, something for the diarrhea, meds for worms, and interferon 1ml every other day.So far he seems to be a healthy luv bug. Tips suggestions anything I would like to hear from anyone who has had some experience with this.Thank! s for listening.Teri
Grace and doxycycline
As I told you in my last update on Grace and Jazz (the feline interferon kitties), I had been cutting the dose of Grace's doxycycline down, (I was at a morning dose, every other day). She was doing phenomenally well. When I spoke to my vet's office they told me I might as well stop giving her dox, because at that protocol it wouldn't do her any good. Apparently it's effects are non-existent if it's not maintained in the body, I forget if it's suppose to be every 12 hours or 24. Well, I stopped giving it to her two days ago, and this morning she's not her perky self. Now, I know how hyper-vigilant I can be, and I may be imagining all this, but I swear, if she gets sick again, I'm going to scream, pull my hair out, and just possibly run away from home! Feeling a bit stressed, Nina
RE: food dilemma-sweet tooth
Title: Message The sweet tooth thing caught my eye! :) I was wondering if anyone else had a cat with a hankering for sugar! Maggie (the new girl) has certainly surprised me with what she'll consider eating (I'm sure a behavior left over from her days as a thug out on the streets :) )...but just yesterday, she pulled a glazed Krispy Kreme donut from its package and ate half of it! This, of course, was not in my presence...but none of my other cats have even considered eating anything not protein-based (except for Lola who really seems to enjoy potatoes and the occasional green bean)...so that left only one culprit! And, just now, she tried to pull a Honey and Oats granola bar right out of my hand! Anyone else with a sweet-tooth kitty? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:16 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: food dilemma Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or "cat milk"...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth).
Re: food dilemma
You can find fish food flakes in any pet store or grocery store. Just read the labels on it. I have fed mine that as well at times. In a message dated 1/4/2005 2:22:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tamara. Where can I find fish food flakes?Ninatamara stickler wrote: Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or "cat milk"...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus corn and high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) and egg white so you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at 325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My "feral turned house cat", Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has "been tampered with". If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, "All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. Much love, Nina */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." /* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all the supps, to see what happened. Appetite went back up to 3 cans. After a
Re: food dilemma
Oh, you guys are talking about food for fish! Sometimes I'm a little slow. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *You can find fish food flakes in any pet store or grocery store. Just read the labels on it. I have fed mine that as well at times.* In a message dated 1/4/2005 2:22:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tamara. Where can I find fish food flakes? Nina tamara stickler wrote: Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or cat milk...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus corn and high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) and egg white so you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at 325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My feral turned house cat, Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has been tampered with. If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. Much love, Nina */MacKenzie, Kerry N. /* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been
Re: food dilemma-sweet tooth
My Jazzy likes poptart crusts! Jen Meyer wrote: The sweet tooth thing caught my eye! :) I was wondering if anyone else had a cat with a hankering for sugar! Maggie (the new girl) has certainly surprised me with what she'll consider eating (I'm sure a behavior left over from her days as a thug out on the streets :) )...but just yesterday, she pulled a glazed Krispy Kreme donut from its package and ate half of it! This, of course, was not in my presence...but none of my other cats have even considered eating anything not protein-based (except for Lola who really seems to enjoy potatoes and the occasional green bean)...so that left only one culprit! And, just now, she tried to pull a Honey and Oats granola bar right out of my hand! Anyone else with a sweet-tooth kitty? -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *tamara stickler *Sent:* Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:16 PM *To:* felvtalk@vlists.net *Subject:* Re: food dilemma Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or cat milk...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth).
Re: food dilemma
That's okay we all have slow momentslol In a message dated 1/4/2005 3:04:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, you guys are talking about food for fish! Sometimes I'm a little slow.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *You can find fish food flakes in any pet store or grocery store. Just read the labels on it. I have fed mine that as well at times.* In a message dated 1/4/2005 2:22:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tamara. Where can I find fish food flakes? Nina Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!More will be posted soon.http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://siamese.meetup.com/38/This is for those of you in WA. state and would like to attend.http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/ inline: aks.jpginline: logobuttonsq.jpg
RE: Grace and doxycycline
On gut instinct, assuming it also can't do her any harm, I guess I'd be inclined to go with the dox again, despite what the vet's office says Sending out lots of positive vibes, for Grace's renewed perkiness, and for your very understandably stressed-out self, Nina. Maybe Grace is just in a quiet mood? Hope so...take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:17 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Grace and doxycycline As I told you in my last update on Grace and Jazz (the feline interferon kitties), I had been cutting the dose of Grace's doxycycline down, (I was at a morning dose, every other day). She was doing phenomenally well. When I spoke to my vet's office they told me I might as well stop giving her dox, because at that protocol it wouldn't do her any good. Apparently it's effects are non-existent if it's not maintained in the body, I forget if it's suppose to be every 12 hours or 24. Well, I stopped giving it to her two days ago, and this morning she's not her perky self. Now, I know how hyper-vigilant I can be, and I may be imagining all this, but I swear, if she gets sick again, I'm going to scream, pull my hair out, and just possibly run away from home! Feeling a bit stressed, Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Did you start him on antibiotics in case it is an infection while they are figuring this out? I would insist on doing that, as I do not think it could hurt. Also, if they have trouble figuring out, and if you can afford it, you might want to be referred to an internist. But they are usually expensive. Michelle
Re: food dilemma
I would make sure they eat enough, even if it means no supplements for a while. I don't remember if you said, but are you mixing the supplements in to their food? If so, you could try mixing them into some chicken baby food instead and giving that to them first thing in the morning before breakfast. I do that with my positives and they always eat it. Simon's not wanting it was my first sign he was sick, and he has lymphoma. There are four of them, and I generally split a jar of baby food into four bowls each morning (now 3 because Simon won't eat it) and mix in their supplements. Michelle
RE: food dilemma - Kerry
Thanks Barbara! Yes, I have the Frazier book! I guess I better get cooking too! Good to know I'm not alone in wincing when one of the positives starts going off their food and leaves their food dish full of expensive supplements untouched. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Lowe Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:11 PM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: food dilemma - Kerry I've had success with those Pill Pockets-some sort of gooey capsule you can hide the pills in and also that high calcium energy broth anitra frazer has in her book. they love that when I pour some on their wet food. (tho my family complains that I never cook for them just the cats and dog...) I can't find the book right now in this black hole of an office but I think the recipe's in the archives,no? I've also cooked chicken livers and mashed them up when the gang gets finicky. knock on wood everybody's eating fine--I know the sense of anxiety and frustration full well when one of the positives starts going off their food and leaves their food dish full of expensive supplements untouched. Barbara and angels Jelly Roll, Lenny, Skippy and the devils on earth-Princess 7 Layer Eats alot, Puff Daddy, Dieffenbacher, Milk Dud, Dopey, and the +'s-Mr. Bean and Clancy...and the d*g who suffers them all-Frasier This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: food dilemma
Title: Message Thanks so much Tamara! Yes, I guess I'd better get experimenting. You've given me lots of food for thought. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:16 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: food dilemma Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments) The others are: Cream of Wheat made with goat or "cat milk"...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth). OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus cornand high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) andegg whiteso you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served warm. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best. Good luck, I hope it works for some of you. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kerry,Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again?I'm having a food dilemma myself. My "feral turned house cat", Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has "been tampered with". If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, "All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you.Much love,Nina */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, until we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat as much as they should. If they don't like it, they don't eat it. So, I stopped all
RE: food dilemma
Title: Message Thanks Michelle--great idea re the baby food. I'll be interested to see how they respond. Fingers crossed. I can't stand them not eating their supps--it really bother me. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:50 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: food dilemma I would make sure they eat enough, even if it means no supplements for a while. I don't remember if you said, but are you mixing the supplements in to their food? If so, you could try mixing them into some chicken baby food instead and giving that to them first thing in the morning before breakfast. I do that with my positives and they always eat it. Simon's not wanting it was my first sign he was sick, and he has lymphoma. There are four of them, and I generally split a jar of baby food into four bowls each morning (now 3 because Simon won't eat it) and mix in their supplements. MichelleThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
nutrition
Title: Message Hi again Teri Wanted to send you this today, in case I don't make it to work tomorrow (lots of snow forecast here in Chicago--can't bear to think of all those homeless cats caught in it.) Following is an email with nutrition info thatI've sent a few new members already--so apologies if a strange name appears in the text! Some of it deals with coping with upper respiratory infections, which all of mine, and several other members cats, were suffering when found. Sounds like Bossy has escaped that, which is great! You have come to the right place for infoI found this wonderful group earlier in the year when I discovered that 4 of the homeless 6 cats I took in were FeLV. You will get lots of great feedback from other members re your Qs on vaccines, anemia and blood level etc (which I'm not qualified to answer), but I can offer some advice renutrition. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. I've sent out details of what I've been doing to various new members (ie members even newer than me!)---please see copy below--I hope it helps a little. Don't be intimidated by what follows,Terijust do what you can! (See the 'Note' at the end.) When the kittiesarrived with me from the rescuer, and before I knew they had FeLV, those poor cats were coughing, sneezing and wheezing and covered in gunk. Today--notwithstanding the Felv---they look and sound fabulous and their coats and little faces are squeaky-clean and shiny. Isadly lost one of them, Caramel(at Thanksgiving) to the FeLV, but the others are still enjoyinggood quality of life. What did they do to achieve this? Well, first they went on 2 courses of antibiotics consecutively (as the first alone didn't do the trick). (They're feral, so I couldn't catch or hold them, so I had to have compound antibiotics made up by a pharmacy that specializes in that, and then watch over them to make sure each ate one, and only one, twice a day for 7-10 days. [You won't have that problem,Teri!] Simultaneously, they began drinking only filtered water, and eating only high grade/human grade pet food NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, that you only find in the independent pet stores-- I didn't even know these high grade foods existed until someone told me. I give them Petguard wet food (actually from Wholefoods) and Wellness dry food (from independent pet store) morning and evening. I grind up a 500mg L-Lysin pill (easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores) twice a day into each kitty bowl of wet food, to boost their immune system (this was actually recommended by my vet, as well as everyone else with FeLV knowledge) and add 1/4 tsp feline enzymes twice a day to each dish. I also---once I got over the intimidation of seeing unfamiliar product names!--bought the 5 items in the 'Vita-Mineral Mix' recipe, recommended by Anitra Frazier in her fantastic book, which became my most precious reference, The Natural Cat Book (recommended to me by a shelter counsellor when I discovered the cats were FeLV): wheatbran, lecithin, yeast, bonemeal and kelp. You just mix it all together and give them 1 tsp each twice a day. [Teri: I'll send you the recipe separately--it's very very easy, you just mix all the ingredients together in bulk and store in refrigerator] I also (gradually, as I found them) put them on most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: CoQ10, feline enzymes, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa. And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. Within a matter of a few weeks the infections had completely cleared up. Note: Trying to assemble all the supplements can be a bit daunting at first, but the high grade pet food, filtered water and L-Lysin is a good start. Vit C too---I stopped it as one of mine was prone to severe diarrhea, but recently started it again. Good luckTeri! Big hugs forBossy! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 2:14 PMTo: felvSubject: New here Hi I rescued a male cat about 2 weeks ago. He was going to freeze to death if someone didn't take him in, and my husband and I couldn't just leave him to die.He was so cold he was climbing into my SUV while it was running. We were leaving a Christmas party the week before Christmas, drove from house to house looking for his owner. No one claimed him. So he is MINE. I sort of had some suspicion or intuition there was a problem with him. He had diarrhea pretty bad... found out when he wouldn't use his new litter boxoh yes we
Re: Grace and doxycycline
We're all pulling for Grace and Jazz, Nina! tonyaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I told you in my last update on Grace and Jazz (the feline interferon kitties), I had been cutting the dose of Grace's doxycycline down, (I was at a morning dose, every other day). She was doing phenomenally well. When I spoke to my vet's office they told me I might as well stop giving her dox, because at that protocol it wouldn't do her any good. Apparently it's effects are non-existent if it's not maintained in the body, I forget if it's suppose to be every 12 hours or 24. Well, I stopped giving it to her two days ago, and this morning she's not her perky self. Now, I know how hyper-vigilant I can be, and I may be imagining all this, but I swear, if she gets sick again, I'm going to scream, pull my hair out, and just possibly run away from home!Feeling a bit stressed,Nina
Re: food dilemma
LOLNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, you guys are talking about food for fish! Sometimes I'm a little slow.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *You can find fish food flakes in any pet store or grocery store. Just read the labels on it. I have fed mine that as well at times.* In a message dated 1/4/2005 2:22:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you Tamara. Where can I find fish food flakes? Nina tamara stickler wrote: Have either of you tried either mixing the suppliments in baby food (make certain it doesn't contain onion or onion powder)...heat the food 20 sec. in the microwave first and feed on a spoon(its one of the only ways Quintapus, my CRF cat, will take suppliments)The others are: Cream of Wh! eat made with goat or "cat milk"...and a bit of sugar (if not diabeticQu has a sweet tooth).OR Fish food flakes...anything low in phosphorus corn and high in protein, made with real fishtake a tablespoon of flakes, mix a tiny bit of flour (or corn meal -but this doesn't work quite as well...just makes for a sweeter mixture, I suppose) and egg white so you have a Elmer's school glue consitancy look -paste, gently fold in the fish flakes and any suppliments (note mixture should be more flakes than paste..you may have to experiment here...I never measure-sorry)bake in oven at 325 for about 20 minutes or until crispy on tin foil. Sometimes, depending on the fish flakes, it turns blackish and it does stink! But most times it is agreeable, esp. if served war! m. You can fool around with the mixture, add a bit of oyster juice or tuna fish or salmon to make a fish cake like itemyou know your cats and what they like best.Good luck, I hope it works for some of you.*/Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: Hi Kerry, Have you tried giving them supplements in some special treat, something they especially like but don't often get? How about tuna, or tuna water? Some of my kids are crazy about chicken liver and the strong scent overpowers just about anything. Maybe if you cut the dose down to next to nothing at first and then build up again? I'm having a food dilemma myself. My "feral turned house cat", Gypsy, who we suspect has Inflammatory Bowel Disease, is suppose to&! gt; be on a restricted diet of proteins she hasn't experienced before, (just in case it's caused by allergies). This has not been so easy to do because she's quite spoiled when it comes to food, there are very few proteins that she hasn't been given the opportunity to sample. I've spent weeks looking for something that she'll eat. I finally found California Natural v! enison and rice canned food (69 cents for a 3 ounce can, thank you very much), and a Solid Gold lamb dry food. Now she won't eat any dry, and won't touch anything that has "been tampered with". If I try to put something in front of her with even one supplement she turns her nose up and walks away. I'm scared to death because she's just skin and bones. I've been seriously contemplating getting her a slab of salmon and letting her just eat! I'm afraid I'm going to lose her (everything I've tried has failed to work), and the thought of her not being able to enjoy the time she has left eating whatever she pleases is so upsetting. Sometimes I feel so overwhelmed by all the illness around here, I wish there was a way to be certain that what I'm doing is right. Time to focus on my mantra, "All I can do, is All I can do. Kerry, I would also like you to know how much I appreciate you and your contributions to the list. You always have something loving and supportive to add to any situation. It's apparent that you're a warm, genuine and caring person, we need more humans like you! Thank you. ! Much love, Nina */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." /* wrote: Ok, I'm laughing now too Barb. One of my negs, Tiger, weighs 17lb. Eats everything I put in front of him like there was no tomorrow. I've tried weaning all 3 negs off the dry Wellness (too many carbs says the vet, altho it was the very same vet that had me change them to the dry a few years ago in tune with the thinking then, grrr) to Wellness wet food but no go. Trixie, neg 2, who doesn't need to lose weight, lost 2 lb, because she wasn't eating the wet food. Not good! Here's a Q I've been pondering on the subject of my FeLV positives and food. For 11 months, unt! il we lost Caramel, they all had! an ok appetite. There were 6 then, eating 3 x 14 oz cans a day between them, plus some dry food as a treat at "lights out" time. I added between 10-13 supplements to the wet food morning and night, for 11 months. After we lost Caramel, the appetite of the remaining 5 significantly diminished. They were now eating 2 x 14 oz cans per day total. (Caramel is not a factor, as his appetite was very poor towards the end.) I got worried, because I know from experience with Trixie that cats don't necessarily eat
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
We're home:) The urinalysis didn't show any crystals or calculi and the culture will take a bit longer. His PH is at 6, which is the high end of the normal range. There was still a lot of blood in his urine, although it looked older - the cells were broken down. And the WBC HFD (high field density, high power microscope on itty bitty pinhead of urine) showed 3 WBC and that's getting kinda high. They showed me the urine samples they'd pulled and the two they did this morning just looked like pure blood, one had a clot in it too They'd given him some acepromezine this morning to ease his bladder spasms and the pain - it also calmed him down quite a bit, made him much more comfortable. At some point today, he peed in the carrier, it was probably after they'd gotten the sample this afternoon, because when I pulled the pad out of the carrier, it was still wet, but not warm. Lots of blood. He's back in the spot here in! the bedroom where he's been the last couple of days... it's kind of barricaded, so since I know I have to check it out for urine etc, I know what tonight's project is.. oog. Anyhoo, they've put him on clavamox and acepromezine for now and depending on what the culture grows, they'll extend the clavamox 'script (right now I only have enough for 7 days) heh, never mind - I just found out it was Bandit in that spot - I still have to check it out though. Smoky is pretty drugged right now - like me last week:) They also gave me Waltham's prescription recipe for urinary problems and I bought a couple cans. Until we get the culture results, we just have to keep an eye on his potty habits and make sure that he's actually producing urine when he goes and hopefully that will be the case and also that the urine output will be in the litter box - but as long as there is output, I'll just weather the um, storm and use my anti-icky poo where necessary. I don't think that an internist would be called for - this clinic is feline only, a member of the American Animal Hospital Associationand two of the three vets are Diplomats for the AmericanBoard ofVeterinary Practitioners in Feline Practice. They really know their stuff. But if they can't figure something out, they don't hesitate to contact someone at the UW-Madison Vet School for help. And the gods help me if I have to go to someplace even more expensive than my clinic! Keep my poor baby in your thoughts and add a little post-script to his brother not to pick on him for a few days, little stinker. Will keep you all posted - I am so grateful to have you guys!![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you start him on antibiotics in case it is an infection while they are figuring this out? I would insist on doing that, as I do not think it could hurt. Also, if they have trouble figuring out, and if you can afford it, you might want to be referred to an internist. But they are usually expensive. MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
Smokey
I read to the bottom of my list looking for an update. Let us know what you find out about poor Smokey. (I hope I didn't jinx you by talking about the piddle problems we have here!) I hope he's home and comfortable tonight. tonya
Ari Chema-possible vet resource
Alejandra, Its been a long time since you posted your original message about Ari Chema I know you were looking for a local vet I had posted to the FELV Yahoo group regarding your search This message just came back I just wanted to forward to you I am so sorry that I just saw this! I am a Vet Tech and taught Vet Techs for many years and now I am in Animal Shelter Management. I know QUITEa lot about FeLV and am in Jackson. I had FeLV positive cats for a number of years (all gone now) and I have a good vet here and will be glad to help her in any way that Ican. Would you forward my info to your friend if it is still applicable? Best email addy is: cshaw at cap4pets dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] (take out spaces) Cynthia Shaw Shelter Operations Coordinator CAP Houston (I work in Houston) Hope it helps How are the little ones Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grace and doxycycline
Thank you Tonya, that really helps. Nina catatonya wrote: We're all pulling for Grace and Jazz, Nina! tonya */Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: As I told you in my last update on Grace and Jazz (the feline interferon kitties), I had been cutting the dose of Grace's doxycycline down, (I was at a morning dose, every other day). She was doing phenomenally well. When I spoke to my vet's office they told me I might as well stop giving her dox, because at that protocol it wouldn't do her any good. Apparently it's effects are non-existent if it's not maintained in the body, I forget if it's suppose to be every 12 hours or 24. Well, I stopped giving it to her two days ago, and this morning she's not her perky self. Now, I know how hyper-vigilant I can be, and I may be imagining all this, but I swear, if she gets sick again, I'm going to scream, pull my hair out, and just possibly run away from home! Feeling a bit stressed, Nina
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!! Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: food dilemma
In a message dated 1/4/2005 2:56:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't like the idea of them not getting their supps. ButI equally don't like them not eating enough. I'm a bit stumped for where to proceed from here. Would welcome any ideas or input. Thanks, Kerry Kerry, Ive actually gone thorugh this with Akira...I had her one about 5 different supplements, for almost a year..and it was never a problem to get her to eat her food with them...then all of a sudden she refused to eat with them in it., So I tried mixing them into a liquid and syringing her just like the Interferon...but all tat did was made her throw up...it didn't taste to good Im sure...I know some compounding pharmaciees can make treats with teh supplements in them..but then again...they still have to eat it..so Im as stumped as you Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago! Will keep y'all posted! g'night[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!! Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
so much for bed... Smoky piddled once in his new spot behind a chair in the bedroom, very bloody, but he also piddled in the box and poopied. But he was straining so hard when he was piddling he farted:( I checked his nether region for um, debris and poopy was fine but there is blood in his fur around his peeper. There also seems to be a swelling that is VERY sensitive between his anus and penis.. he did NOT like me blotting or wiping even very very gently... I wish I could make him better instantly:( on the hunt for a local retailer for what Tonya calls puppy pads:) will post as events warrantBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago! Will keep y'all posted! g'night[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!! Lisaand fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
Re: OT - Smoky's bladder
Barb, Although, these reports do not sound encouraging, you never know what tomorrow will bring. I'm praying that they figure out what's going on (fast), and you get him on a treatment that will turn this all around. Hang in there. Also, just in case your not aware, you can get poopy pads at hospital supply stores, (this may already be what you guys were talking about). They've got blue plastic on one side, and an absorbent lining on the other. I seem to recall them being pretty inexpensive. I hope you're sleeping as I write this, Nina Barb Moermond wrote: so much for bed... Smoky piddled once in his new spot behind a chair in the bedroom, very bloody, but he also piddled in the box and poopied. But he was straining so hard when he was piddling he farted:( I checked his nether region for um, debris and poopy was fine but there is blood in his fur around his peeper. There also seems to be a swelling that is VERY sensitive between his anus and penis.. he did NOT like me blotting or wiping even very very gently... I wish I could make him better instantly:( on the hunt for a local retailer for what Tonya calls puppy pads:) will post as events warrant */Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago! Will keep y'all posted! g'night */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!! Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/spamguard/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/protection.html.
RE: OT - Smoky's bladder
You should find puppy pads in any fairly large pet store. They're used to paper train puppies. In a pinch, you can always use large baby diapers...same sort of thing as puppy pads except the puppy pads lie completely flat when you open them Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:20 AM To: felvtalk@vlists.net Subject: Re: OT - Smoky's bladder Barb, Although, these reports do not sound encouraging, you never know what tomorrow will bring. I'm praying that they figure out what's going on (fast), and you get him on a treatment that will turn this all around. Hang in there. Also, just in case your not aware, you can get poopy pads at hospital supply stores, (this may already be what you guys were talking about). They've got blue plastic on one side, and an absorbent lining on the other. I seem to recall them being pretty inexpensive. I hope you're sleeping as I write this, Nina Barb Moermond wrote: so much for bed... Smoky piddled once in his new spot behind a chair in the bedroom, very bloody, but he also piddled in the box and poopied. But he was straining so hard when he was piddling he farted:( I checked his nether region for um, debris and poopy was fine but there is blood in his fur around his peeper. There also seems to be a swelling that is VERY sensitive between his anus and penis.. he did NOT like me blotting or wiping even very very gently... I wish I could make him better instantly:( on the hunt for a local retailer for what Tonya calls puppy pads:) will post as events warrant */Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: OK, that scares me, Smoky is 6.5 BUT, so far so good. I am heading for bed now, it's been a VERY long day, especially considering I had surgery 9 days ago! Will keep y'all posted! g'night */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2005 12:56:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'd thought Smoky was just p.o.'d at me when he piddled on the bed yesterday morning. Poor Smokey, My friends kitty Mojo..not Felv+...just went through this..but it was completely out of the blue..never had problems before..he was 6 years old...they had to do the surgery to remove his penis and reroute his bladder...he made it through the surgery..but unfortuananly not the night after...poor guy..I pray Smokey fairs batter and it isnt so serious!!! Lisa and fur-brats Akira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar http://www.geocities.com/anzajaguar Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESS Lance- Mini wire haired dashchund Bow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel cross Bennie Bird-- Vampire cockatiel Anza-- sexist Senegal parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :) Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/virus/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/ new_mail/static/protection.html - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/spamguard/*http://promotions.yahoo. com/new_mail/static/protection.html.
