Re: [Finale] forward slash
On Mar 25, 2005, at 9:25 PM, John Bell wrote: Finale 2005b/Mac. The / character does not display or print correctly when it immediately follows the characters l (that's lower-case L), o, or ` in fonts such as Garamond, Palatino and Times. This is true in the Text Tool and in Expressions. Yes, I can confirm that with Palatino and Times with the l and the o, (after the ' seems to be fine in all cases), but not Garamond nor Times New Roman, which show up correctly. I get a slashed l and a slashed o, which I assume you get, too? I am using a US keyboard layout. I may have old (truetype) versions of Palatino and Times on my system, which might partially account for this in some way that I don't completely understand. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] forward slash
On 26 Mar 2005, at 12:10, Christopher Smith wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 9:25 PM, John Bell wrote: Finale 2005b/Mac. The / character does not display or print correctly when it immediately follows the characters l (that's lower-case L), o, or ` in fonts such as Garamond, Palatino and Times. This is true in the Text Tool and in Expressions. Yes, I can confirm that with Palatino and Times with the l and the o, (after the ' seems to be fine in all cases), but not Garamond nor Times New Roman, which show up correctly. I get a slashed l and a slashed o, which I assume you get, too? I am using a US keyboard layout. I may have old (truetype) versions of Palatino and Times on my system, which might partially account for this in some way that I don't completely understand. It was `, the character to the left of z on the keyboard, not the apostrophe, that I meant. We must have different versions of Garamond. Yes, I get the slashed l and o as you do, with the British keyboard layout. John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Philip Aker's TE plug in
I have had to reformat my computer and I forgotted to make a backup of Philip Aker's Text editor 152b10 for Finale 2003. Actually I can't download it form his site and can't contact him via e-mail. Is there a gentleman who can help me? Please, let me know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many thanks in advance! Giovanni Doro ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Same expression, different playback [was: Finale's internal..]
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] dhbailey writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 25/03/2005 08:44:11 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a bar for entering text in the Expression creation dialog, labeled Description: -- that is where you would enter Strings-piano or Guitar-piano Sorry I missed the begining of this thread - is this something only found in the later versions of Finale? (I'm using Finwin02) Yes, I believe it was introduced in Fin2004. It really makes it much easier to create separate but similar expressions for doing just what this situation calls for. That shows the difference in the expression list. The other useful feature in F2004 (is it in F2003?) is making non-printing a style, applicable to individual characters, so you can differentiate the two versions on the display also, but make them identical on print-out. -- Ken Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.mooremusic.org.uk/ I reject emails 100k automatically: warn me beforehand if you want to send one ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
I searched for a FAQ but didn't find this, forgive me if it has been answered many times: 1) In going for a 10 x 13 format conductor's score, what issues should watch out for in terms of preparation for printing via pdf for double sided printing? I need the title page with instrumentation on the first actual page, then to have the actual score begin on page 2, which would be the first left handed page- correct? 2) Comb binding for conductor's scores? 3) For printing parts, will your average print shop be able to handle printing onto a single sheet, which when folded and opened, will yield two pages? At the same 10 x 13 format? Any tips/pitfalls to avoid from you experienced professionals would be greatly appreciated. I am aware of the fundamentals like proper rest groupings, rehearsal letters etc. Thanks in advance! -- ___ John McGann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) PO Box 688 Jamaica Plain, Ma. 02130-0006 USA http://www.johnmcgann.com 617-731-0475 Custom Transcription Service /Technique Tips Plus... D.I.Y. Transcription, Tips for Improvisers Info for Guitar, Mando and Steel players, Gig schedule Rust Farm/Wayfaring Strangers, mp3s, transcriptions, etc. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Same expression, different playback [was: Finale's internal..]
On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:44:18 +, Ken Moore wrote: dhbailey writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a bar for entering text in the Expression creation dialog, labeled Description: -- that is where you would enter Strings-piano or Guitar-piano Sorry I missed the begining of this thread - is this something only found in the later versions of Finale? (I'm using Finwin02) Yes, I believe it was introduced in Fin2004. It really makes it much easier to create separate but similar expressions for doing just what this situation calls for. That shows the difference in the expression list. The other useful feature in F2004 (is it in F2003?) is making non-printing a style, applicable to individual characters, so you can differentiate the two versions on the display also, but make them identical on print-out. The problem with this method is positioning. If you've set the expression to center on the notehead (as is often the case with dynamics), the entire length of the expression is taken into account... including hidden characters. It doesn't even help to include the hidden characters on a separate line (since multi-line expressions are allowed as of Fin2k4), unless the length of the hidden section is the same length or shorter than the printing section. As has previously been discussed here, multi-line expressions cannot be aligned with any method other than left-alignment. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Life would be so much easier if only (3/2)^12=(2/1)^7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
Subject: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts I searched for a FAQ but didn't find this, forgive me if it has been answered many times: 1) In going for a 10 x 13 format conductor's score, what issues should watch out for in terms of preparation for printing via pdf for double sided printing? I need the title page with instrumentation on the first actual page, then to have the actual score begin on page 2, which would be the first left handed page- correct? I don't think pdf's know anything about double sided printing. However, it is much more common for the music to begin on page 3 than page 2. You might consider putting the instrumentation on page 2. 2) Comb binding for conductor's scores? I strongly suggest going with wire coil binding instead. Combs are more likely to bind, tear the paper, get crushed, and make noise while turning pages. Also, wire coils allow the score to be opened a full 360 degrees, which can be handy. No contest in my opinion. 3) For printing parts, will your average print shop be able to handle printing onto a single sheet, which when folded and opened, will yield two pages? At the same 10 x 13 format? Not sure because I wouldn't trust the job to them. I have found it's enough of a challenge just to get a print shop to trim and bind scores properly. Obviously, YMMV. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: 18th Century Trumpet question
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Carlberg Jones wrote: At 9:59 AM -0500 3/25/05, Martin Banner wrote: Anyway, the piece includes two tromba parts written in alto clef. Wouldn't it be a little strange to have trumpet parts in alto clef? Trumpeters originally specialized in different registers of their instrument, and used different clefs. The 18th c. is a bit late for this typology, but there still would have been a distinction drawn between clarino and principale trumpet playing. The latter extended no higher than e'' (and seldom above c'') and thus would fit easily into the alto clef. To the best of my recollection, the five original types of trumpet specialty were notated in Tr S A T B clefs respectively--when they were notated at all. The basso in 16th-17th c. trumpet bands played nothing but low c (or the equivalent note for trumpets in other keys), the vulgano above that played just two notes, and the alto e basso just 3. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
Personally, I don't like wire coil binding. The main reason is that due to the angle of the coil (can't think of a better word at the moment) the page you're turning ends up being lower than the remaining pages. In other words, the left half is slightly lower than the right half. When used on a tilted music stand, it creates just as much noise as the comb binding and it bends the paper on the corners close to the bind. Go with the comb, it's slightly cheaper, and easier to replace pages if you need to correct mistakes. Also, I would go for 11x14 score size unless you have specific orders from the librarian you're dealing with. I like this size for two reasons: 1) It's a lot easier to take an 11x17 sheet and make one cut of 3 inches off the bottom; and 2) if you should ever decide to print a study size score, Finale's 2up print option nicely shrinks this size to fit on one half of 11x17 page with no extra tweaking. As for the parts, unless you're given specific instructions from the orchestra librarian, I think it's perfectly fine to print on 11x17 booklets. Even better would be 12x18 (standard in the publishing world) if your printer can handle it. As long as the music is extremely legible and free from mistakes, the musicians won't complain about the size of paper (well, they shouldn't). I've purchased the equipment necessary to create the materials in the style that I like. Obviously, this is personal preference, and I would make adjustments if required to do so. The best part is that I don't have to rely on the ...ahem... geniuses at the local national chain of print shops to finish my projects. Ryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: 18th Century Trumpet question
You mean you werent taught to transpose on sight using clefs? ;-) I'm a horn player - I transpose every day of my life! :-) I had to transpose on sight at today's Easter rehearsal. The parts the director transcribed for the horns were incorrect. He went up a 4th instead of a 5th, putting our parts in G. And the part that was done in F (on Finale...) was an octave too high! It was actually kinda fun. Made doubling the trombones a little more palatable!! Ryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Andrew, Did you see this? http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/installation/import_music.html and later: Actually, this might be even better: http://macintosh.lifetips.com/faq.asp? SiteID=517QuestionID=60675type=0 Neither of these worked. I have no Documents folder in System 9 (I threw it out long ago, keep iTunes in a folder called Media.) But the real problem is that I have no idea where my System 9 iTunes music files actually are. The Media sub-sub-folder called iTunes Music does not have them, and a search for all folders containing the word Music does not reveal an alternative. Ideas? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
Can't you select a tune in itunes for 9 and hit command-r for reveal original? steve On Mar 26, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Andrew, Did you see this? http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/installation/import_music.html and later: Actually, this might be even better: http://macintosh.lifetips.com/faq.asp? SiteID=517QuestionID=60675type=0 Neither of these worked. I have no Documents folder in System 9 (I threw it out long ago, keep iTunes in a folder called Media.) But the real problem is that I have no idea where my System 9 iTunes music files actually are. The Media sub-sub-folder called iTunes Music does not have them, and a search for all folders containing the word Music does not reveal an alternative. Ideas? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] test
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Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian
On 26 Mar 2005 at 9:29, d. collins wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Why are you raising the issue of TIFFs if you find them so unsatisfactory? If they don't work for you, they don't work, so why worry about them? I'm raising the issue of TIFFs precisely because they are unsatisfactory, and because the only other possibility, EPS, is broken and officially acknowledged as such by MM. It's been broken for at least five years now. And probably will never get fixed, because not enough of us are irked by Finale's broken features. I need to insert scalable graphics into a Finale score. And have no way of doing so. Well, I don't *need* scalable graphics, so I can't help you with MM. Yes, obviously, they should fix EPS, but lacking it in a usable form has no impact on me whatsoever, fortunately. I'm not sure I understand how they think they can get away with this -- don't *all* professional engravers and composers and anyone providing camera-ready copy to publishers (you never do that on paper any more, right?) need this? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Same expression, different playback [was: Finale's internal..]
On 26 Mar 2005 at 10:31, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 10:44:18 +, Ken Moore wrote: dhbailey writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a bar for entering text in the Expression creation dialog, labeled Description: -- that is where you would enter Strings-piano or Guitar-piano Sorry I missed the begining of this thread - is this something only found in the later versions of Finale? (I'm using Finwin02) Yes, I believe it was introduced in Fin2004. It really makes it much easier to create separate but similar expressions for doing just what this situation calls for. That shows the difference in the expression list. The other useful feature in F2004 (is it in F2003?) is making non-printing a style, applicable to individual characters, so you can differentiate the two versions on the display also, but make them identical on print-out. The problem with this method is positioning. If you've set the expression to center on the notehead (as is often the case with dynamics), the entire length of the expression is taken into account... including hidden characters. This (along with the lack of justification) shows that they've implemented this feature in a really half-assed way. Comments should be a separate field in the expression definition, not a non- printing part of the expression itself. Perhaps it was easy for them to implement it this way, but it sounds like it wouldn't have much value. Or, at least, cause almost as many problems as it solves. This is the kind of bullet-point feature that might tempt me to upgrade, but once I've heard the reality of it, I recognize that it's not at all what it pretends to be -- I can definitely get on just fine without it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
John McGann/Original Custom Transcription Service wrote: I searched for a FAQ but didn't find this, forgive me if it has been answered many times: 1) In going for a 10 x 13 format conductor's score, what issues should watch out for in terms of preparation for printing via pdf for double sided printing? I need the title page with instrumentation on the first actual page, then to have the actual score begin on page 2, which would be the first left handed page- correct? Make sure that all the places where paper sizes are set agree on the size -- I think with PDF files that shouldn't be a problem. When printing to physical paper people sometimes run into problems with the printer driver needing to be set along with the several places in Finale where the page sizes are set. 2) Comb binding for conductor's scores? There's a great division on this point, with many favoring a plastic-coil binding rather than comb-binding. 3) For printing parts, will your average print shop be able to handle printing onto a single sheet, which when folded and opened, will yield two pages? At the same 10 x 13 format? You'll need to contact your local average print shop to find that out. Just because mine can doesn't mean yours will be able to, and even if mind couldn't handle it, yours might be able to. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] forward slash
On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:56 AM, John Bell wrote: On 26 Mar 2005, at 12:10, Christopher Smith wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 9:25 PM, John Bell wrote: Finale 2005b/Mac. The / character does not display or print correctly when it immediately follows the characters l (that's lower-case L), o, or ` in fonts such as Garamond, Palatino and Times. This is true in the Text Tool and in Expressions. Yes, I can confirm that with Palatino and Times with the l and the o, (after the ' seems to be fine in all cases), but not Garamond nor Times New Roman, which show up correctly. I get a slashed l and a slashed o, which I assume you get, too? I am using a US keyboard layout. I may have old (truetype) versions of Palatino and Times on my system, which might partially account for this in some way that I don't completely understand. It was `, the character to the left of z on the keyboard, not the apostrophe, that I meant. We must have different versions of Garamond. Yes, I get the slashed l and o as you do, with the British keyboard layout. Hmm, I had copied YOUR character as you had typed it, as I couldn't see it very well. It showed up fine in my text expressions. On my keyboard, to the left of my Z is the shift key, so I don't know what that character might be. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] forward slash
On 26 Mar 2005, at 21:40, Christopher Smith wrote: Hmm, I had copied YOUR character as you had typed it, as I couldn't see it very well. It showed up fine in my text expressions. On my keyboard, to the left of my Z is the shift key, so I don't know what that character might be. It's the one whose upper-case is a tilde (produces 15mb in Maestro). John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian
I'm raising the issue of TIFFs precisely because they are unsatisfactory, and because the only other possibility, EPS, is broken and officially acknowledged as such by MM. It's been broken for at least five years now. And probably will never get fixed, because not enough of us are irked by Finale's broken features. I'm not sure I understand how they think they can get away with this -- don't *all* professional engravers and composers and anyone providing camera-ready copy to publishers (you never do that on paper any more, right?) need this? David Fenton Yes it remains a mystery, David. The logical conclusion is that Finale no longer intends to meet the needs of professional engravers. Although I copy posts such as this to MM I received no denials. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] forward slash
On Mar 26, 2005, at 4:55 PM, John Bell wrote: On 26 Mar 2005, at 21:40, Christopher Smith wrote: Hmm, I had copied YOUR character as you had typed it, as I couldn't see it very well. It showed up fine in my text expressions. On my keyboard, to the left of my Z is the shift key, so I don't know what that character might be. It's the one whose upper-case is a tilde (produces 15mb in Maestro). John Nope, still works. And not only that, but Times started working now, so the effect only happens in Palatino on my computer. Weird, or what? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: iTunes
Why not search for files with the extension .mp3? (Or however you encoded you files... ) Or search for a song name? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Mar 2005, at 3:31 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Mar 25, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Andrew, Did you see this? http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/installation/import_music.html and later: Actually, this might be even better: http://macintosh.lifetips.com/faq.asp? SiteID=517QuestionID=60675type=0 Neither of these worked. I have no Documents folder in System 9 (I threw it out long ago, keep iTunes in a folder called Media.) But the real problem is that I have no idea where my System 9 iTunes music files actually are. The Media sub-sub-folder called iTunes Music does not have them, and a search for all folders containing the word Music does not reveal an alternative. Ideas? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Preparing Orchestral Score and Parts
John McGann/Original Custom Transcription Service wrote: I searched for a FAQ but didn't find this, forgive me if it has been answered many times: 1) In going for a 10 x 13 format conductor's score, what issues should watch out for in terms of preparation for printing via pdf for double sided printing? In my opinion, the first step in preparing to have a 10 x 13 format score printed is to select the right vendor. You're going to want to find an output shop who has the equipment, skill, and experience to print exactly what you're seeking. I need the title page with instrumentation on the first actual page, then to have the actual score begin on page 2, which would be the first left handed page- correct? Depends. Sometimes I have seen the cover is included in the page count, sometimes not. If it is included, I am more familiar with seeing the title and instrumentation on the title page, which is customarily on a right-hand page, and in most printed and bound scores, the music also usually begins on a right-hand page. 2) Comb binding for conductor's scores? I am not a conductor, but I am disenchanted generally with comb binding, because in my experience the comb has about a 20 year life span. My own opinion is that a conductor's score should be bound more durably, and I'd be inclined to go with some type of wire binding. I'd also make certain that the score and parts are printed on archival quality stock. 3) For printing parts, will your average print shop be able to handle printing onto a single sheet, which when folded and opened, will yield two pages? At the same 10 x 13 format? Don't know about your average shop, but there are shops out there that can handle this. If it were me, I'd start with the phone book, and call a number of shops, looking for a house where someone was a musician, and start there. A bit of time in selecting the printer at the start will save time and headaches later, IMO. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Just got a new monitor arm for my 24 Samsung Syncmaster monitor which allows 90 degree rotation. Which ATI graphics card do I need in order to have the Versavision option (Mac OS X)? I see two different version of the ATI 9800 pro; one with 128 MB of RAM, and one with 256. Does it make a difference? (Games and other graphic intensive uses are not a big priority for me.) TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mastering Page Layout
I'm delving into FInale from the desk top publishing side with much experience with text and image manipulation for press. My portal for music publishing was Smartmusic and Printmusic, both handled page layout in their own way. Printmusic work did not prepare me for Finale, which seems to be somewhere between Smartmusic and Printmusic in the sense, that it doesn't quite seem to do what previous dtp experience would lead one to expect. I'm having trouble grasping the relationship between the huge Page Layout Options for Score dialog and the System and Page Margin dialogs. The manual is very thorough, but attempting to get a copy of a piano piece to lay on the page like I want is a push-me-pull-you affair between the various dialogs. Does anyone have a link to a discussion about these dialog relationships or can recommend a text book? Paul Besco, Rags Design Sonoma California ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mastering Page Layout
Paul Besco wrote: I'm having trouble grasping the relationship between the huge Page Layout Options for Score dialog and the System and Page Margin dialogs. The manual is very thorough, but attempting to get a copy of a piano piece to lay on the page like I want is a push-me-pull-you affair between the various dialogs. Does anyone have a link to a discussion about these dialog relationships or can recommend a text book? Paul Besco, Rags Design Sonoma California There's certainly a lot of options to meddle with, partly a result of Finale being developed in many small stages. What I would say, without being able to give any direct advice, is that most people find that the best way to tackle music in Finale is to input 'everything', ie all notes, and everything attached to individual notes, and once that is done to worry about the layout on the page. There's moments when I find I simply need to sit back and decide how many staves-per-page look correct. Or that I'll experiment with various sizes of stave, printing them all out and comparing them. (Also, just to check: you're not missing the MassMover 'Fit Music' command, are you? This can lock-down individual systems, so you can then tweak within a fixed selection) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Gregorian
On 26 Mar 2005 at 23:00, d. collins wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: I'm not sure I understand how they think they can get away with this -- don't *all* professional engravers and composers and anyone providing camera-ready copy to publishers (you never do that on paper any more, right?) need this? Not everyone needs to insert graphics in their scores, so many professional engravers don't have to import EPS. But if you're doing, say, textbooks, you need EPS export to insert into PageMaker or Quark (or whatever the DTP programs are), or into professional-grade publishing programs. As for exporting EPS, there are ways around the broken feature (via PDF, for instance). Would that work for the circumstances above? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mastering Page Layout
Finale, An Easy Guide to Music Notation, Berklee Press, by Thomas E. Rudolph and Vincent a. Leonard,jr has a chapter dedicated to page layout. This might be what you are looking for. I own a copy of this book and keep it next to me all the time. If it weren't for this valuable book it would have taken me a lot longer to learn finale. Godofredo P.S I am also a graphic designer and graphic arts - printing- expert so I know exactly what you are talking about. Paul Besco wrote: I'm delving into FInale from the desk top publishing side with much experience with text and image manipulation for press. My portal for music publishing was Smartmusic and Printmusic, both handled page layout in their own way. Printmusic work did not prepare me for Finale, which seems to be somewhere between Smartmusic and Printmusic in the sense, that it doesn't quite seem to do what previous dtp experience would lead one to expect. I'm having trouble grasping the relationship between the huge Page Layout Options for Score dialog and the System and Page Margin dialogs. The manual is very thorough, but attempting to get a copy of a piano piece to lay on the page like I want is a push-me-pull-you affair between the various dialogs. Does anyone have a link to a discussion about these dialog relationships or can recommend a text book? Paul Besco, Rags Design Sonoma California ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Save some money and get a less expensive card that supports Vv. I picked up a 8500 Pro Mac Edition new for about $120. That is AGP 4x. If you have a G5 Powermac, I think your only option is the 9800 Pro Mac Special Edition. See my tech tips faq (linked from website below) for more info. The only downside of the 8500 is that currently it only works with the DVI port. The ADC port does not work with any of my monitors. I have tried two different cards and suspect a firmware problem that I hope will be fixed with the next firmware update. Meanwhile, even with only one 8500 port I am no worse off than I was in OS9. In fact, I'm much better off because it isn't so flakey. Chuck Israels wrote: Just got a new monitor arm for my 24 Samsung Syncmaster monitor which allows 90 degree rotation. Which ATI graphics card do I need in order to have the Versavision option (Mac OS X)? I see two different version of the ATI 9800 pro; one with 128 MB of RAM, and one with 256. Does it make a difference? (Games and other graphic intensive uses are not a big priority for me.) TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Chuck, All you need is the ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition, which is much cheaper than the Radeon 9800 (a heavy-duty gaming card loaded with 3D horsepower you don't need.) The Radeon 9200 is the card Robert Patterson got. Here are some vendors that have it: http://froogle.google.com/froogle? q=ati+9200+mac+editionbtnG=Search+Frooglescoring=p - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Mar 2005, at 5:27 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Just got a new monitor arm for my 24 Samsung Syncmaster monitor which allows 90 degree rotation. Which ATI graphics card do I need in order to have the Versavision option (Mac OS X)? I see two different version of the ATI 9800 pro; one with 128 MB of RAM, and one with 256. Does it make a difference? (Games and other graphic intensive uses are not a big priority for me.) TIA, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hi Chuck, Well, I see I was mistaken -- Robert got the Radeon 8500, not the Radeon 9800. I would still suggest the Radeon 9200 because it's a PCI card, so you can install it *in addition* to your the (very good) video card that came with your G5. If you get an AGP card like the Radeon 8500, you will have to remove your existing video card. I'm also not 100% sure the 8500 works with the G5's. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
I'm also not 100% sure the 8500 works with the G5's. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the 8500 won't work with your G5. ATI makes two version of the Radeon 9800, one for G4s, and one for G5s. This leads me to suspect that the 8x AGP bus in the G5 is not compatible with older 2x and 4x AGP video cards like the Radeon 8500. Get the Radeon 9200. It's about the same price as the Radeon 8500, you won't have to remove any hardware, and it's guaranteed to work with your G5. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hi Darcy and Robert, This is just the information I hoped I'd get from you guys. Now I'll look for a Radeon 9200, have a happier bank account and still be able to get portrait mode. I am looking forward to that! As my daughter would say, You guys are Awesome! Thanks, Chuck On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm also not 100% sure the 8500 works with the G5's. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the 8500 won't work with your G5. ATI makes two version of the Radeon 9800, one for G4s, and one for G5s. This leads me to suspect that the 8x AGP bus in the G5 is not compatible with older 2x and 4x AGP video cards like the Radeon 8500. Get the Radeon 9200. It's about the same price as the Radeon 8500, you won't have to remove any hardware, and it's guaranteed to work with your G5. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hey Chuck, One last thing occurs to me -- what is the native resolution of your Samsung display? You want to make sure it's supported by the ATI 9200, which supports digital flat panel displays (via DVI) up to 1920x1200. Some extremely large monitors (like Apple's 30 Cinema Display) have a native resolution above 1920x1200 and require a heavy-duty video card to fire them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Mar 2005, at 10:46 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy and Robert, This is just the information I hoped I'd get from you guys. Now I'll look for a Radeon 9200, have a happier bank account and still be able to get portrait mode. I am looking forward to that! As my daughter would say, You guys are Awesome! Thanks, Chuck On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm also not 100% sure the 8500 works with the G5's. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the 8500 won't work with your G5. ATI makes two version of the Radeon 9800, one for G4s, and one for G5s. This leads me to suspect that the 8x AGP bus in the G5 is not compatible with older 2x and 4x AGP video cards like the Radeon 8500. Get the Radeon 9200. It's about the same price as the Radeon 8500, you won't have to remove any hardware, and it's guaranteed to work with your G5. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Versavison ATI Graphics card
Hi Darcy, 1920X1200 is the native resolution, so I think I'll be OK with the 9200 card. It seems to be listed at just under $100 - a fair enough price to be able to rotate the monitor (seems to me). I think the local Mac dealer will know, in any case, and if I buy it from those guys, they'll take it back if it doesn't do the job. Thanks again. Chuck On Mar 26, 2005, at 8:07 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hey Chuck, One last thing occurs to me -- what is the native resolution of your Samsung display? You want to make sure it's supported by the ATI 9200, which supports digital flat panel displays (via DVI) up to 1920x1200. Some extremely large monitors (like Apple's 30 Cinema Display) have a native resolution above 1920x1200 and require a heavy-duty video card to fire them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Mar 2005, at 10:46 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi Darcy and Robert, This is just the information I hoped I'd get from you guys. Now I'll look for a Radeon 9200, have a happier bank account and still be able to get portrait mode. I am looking forward to that! As my daughter would say, You guys are Awesome! Thanks, Chuck On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm also not 100% sure the 8500 works with the G5's. Actually, now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure the 8500 won't work with your G5. ATI makes two version of the Radeon 9800, one for G4s, and one for G5s. This leads me to suspect that the 8x AGP bus in the G5 is not compatible with older 2x and 4x AGP video cards like the Radeon 8500. Get the Radeon 9200. It's about the same price as the Radeon 8500, you won't have to remove any hardware, and it's guaranteed to work with your G5. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mastering Page Layout
Paul Besco wrote: I'm having trouble grasping the relationship between the huge Page Layout Options for Score dialog and the System and Page Margin dialogs. One fact that helps here is to recognize that one mistake made early on by those creating Finale, was that they assumed that most people using the software would use templates as a starting point for new editions. Page Layout for Score (PLO /S) is most useful in this regard; in the process of preparing a template, you place in the PLO / S dialog box the values you want to be reflected when you use that template to create a new document, and if memory serves me correctly, the options used become effective after the document has been saved, and re-opened. OTH, the System and Page margin dialogs work on the active score, in real time, but only on such bits of the score as currently exist. The manual is very thorough, but attempting to get a copy of a piano piece to lay on the page like I want is a push-me-pull-you affair between the various dialogs. Does anyone have a link to a discussion about these dialog relationships or can recommend a text book? Here's the way I would do this: 1) enter all of the music in your piano work, and save the file; 2) re-open the file containing your piano music; 3) at the same time as the file opened in 2, create a new file, (starting with a new empty document / document without libraries [different names for the same thing; before 2k1 or 2k2, it is an empty document; starting in 2k1 or 2k2, it was renamed) containing the same number of staves with the same clefs as the file you opened in 2. 4) decide what size you want the general page layout, that is, page size reduction, margins, first page drop, title size, c., and set the page margins using the Page margin dialog box; 5) Set the same margins, page drop, and page reduction percentage in the Page Layout For Score dialog in the file created in number 3; 6) in the file re-opened in number 2, adjust the system, and if necessary, staff reductions, and appropriate system margins; 7) place the same values for system margins, and system reduction in the PLO box; 8} save the libraries from the document re-opened in number 2; 9) load the libraries saved in 8 into the new document created in number 3; 10) save you working document (the one opened in number 2); and finally, 11) save the document created in number 3 as a template. As things have actually developeed, the new document wizard is good enough that a much higher percentage of people use that, than the creators of Finale expected would, at the expense of the number of people who use pre-defined templates. If you want to use the Page layout you selected above, with the setup wizard, load the default template, make the adjustments in PLO / S, and resave the default template as default.tmp. nsd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
