Re: [Finale] Plug-ins.
keith helgesen wrote: [snip] Someone compared it to buying a car, and buying the extras like heated seats, powered sunroof etc, etc. The point is the car runs beautifully without those, whereas- according to the list, TG Tools etc are essential ‘top-ups’ to the system. More like, buy the car, then extra for the steering system! I reiterate, Tobias et al deserve every cent they get for their genius, but the current system really lets Finale off the hook. Back when the plug-ins came out, many of us said precisely the same thing, that it was a way to off-load development costs onto the backs of users who were able to get their heads around the plug-in developer's kit and who had the time and the inclination to improve the program's functionality. That the plug-in developers (some of them, anyway) feel they should get paid is perfectly understandable, as you say, and reasonable. That they should be paid by MakeMusic is also reasonable (some of them have been, since their plug-ins are included in recent versions) since they have done development that MakeMusic didn't pay their developpers to do. As a matter of fact, to the best of my understanding, they have fewer developpers working on Finale than they did before the plug-ins were added. But don't think the program isn't very usable without the extra plug-ins (such as the full TGTools, a lite version is included) - because it certainly is very usable with only the included plug-ins. The plug-ins you can buy really are like the after-market stereos, dvd players, dual exhaust headers, air scoop, which (depending on your needs and wishes) makes your car more comfortable or more fancy or faster, slicker, whatever. But just as you can buy and drive very adequately a car with the fewest add-ons, right off the lot, so, too, you can use Finale without paying for the full Patterson plug-ins or the full TGTools. I own them both and my notational needs have me using them maybe once or twice every three or four months. And if you are able to fulfill your notational needs with Finale2001, there's no need to upgrade ever. Just the same way that if your 10 year old car without the high-performance wheels or heated leather seats is still able to get you where you want to go, you don't have to buy a new car every year the way the auto makers hope you will. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] system nonsense
In the menu -- Options -- update layout options -- be sure that the item Reflow systems across pages is checked. Éric Dussault Le 05-06-24 à 11:10, Linda Worsley a écrit : Why not just try to update layout (or checking automatically update layout in the edit menu), it may help. That's the first thing I did (and the second, third, etc.). Nada. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Finale 2006 - MakeMusic's response
Well, this is all speculation on my part, of course. But, first, I am talking about EPS not PDF. I can make PDFs. Even if a Microsoft competitor to EPS were only as successful as WMA vs. MP3 that would be fine with me. After all, I can make a WMA and send it to just about anyone in the world and they can play it. I cannot even make an EPS. Richard I'm actually kind of skeptical about that. I think that PDF is too well-established as a universal standard at this point. I think MS's attempt to impose their own proprietary alternative to PDF will go about as well as their attempt to impose WMA as an alternative to MP3 (i.e., not a complete failure, but far, far short of MS's goals). I am not as optimistic as you about Longhorn forcing any 'spill over' into EPS. However, if Microsoft decides to produce a competitor format to EPS then it may quickly overtake Adobe, and then the new format will be a common enough standard to _replace_ EPS purposes for us FinWin users. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plug-ins.
Patterson Beams is something of a special case. After all, it is named for self-promotion. ;-) But more to the point, I seriously doubt it would happen in the foreseeable future. If it did, I couldn't be too upset since the Lite version of PB is already available for free in Finale. There is almost no difference between the two. Your question is more to the point in the context of Beam Over Barlines. Despite this plugin, I continue to hope that Finale will someday implement true beaming over barlines. My plugin is a shortcut that hides a monstrous kludge. A feature I've suggested to MM is an enhanced feature for plugins that would essentially allow them to be added to an Automatic list. That is, we currently have Automatic Update Layout and Automatic Note Spacing. I have advocated allowing users to maintain a list of automatic plugins. Like A. Note Spacing, the plugin would automatically be applied to each frame as it was edited. My question to Darcy (and the list) is if such a feature existed, then PB could be both integrated and automatic. Would you still think of PB (and other plugins) as add-on or (as some apparently do) second-class features? I am amazed to hear that any purchaser of my plugins or TGTools is only using them two or three times per month. I use both many times every day in my work. Darcy James Argue wrote: If Finale offered integrated, automatic Patterson Beams -- let's say Finale's Beam Options looked like the Patterson Beams dialog box. Would you see that as a good thing? Or would you be upset that Finale was rendering one of your plugins obsolete? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2006 studio view mixer
I've been studying the new features of Finale 2006 from the web site and it seems to me that much of what is being promoted is not so much new as just a better GUI. Being able to mix in real time is a new addition, but recording individual tracks and addressing various MIDI parameters have always been there. They were just awkward to use. Same thing with the Engraver Copy and Paste. It will be faster to have all the options on one page rather than many. Robert Patterson's Mass Copy still looks superior, however. I hope MM continues to combine dialog boxes and does something about the atrocious expression and articulation tools. A more efficient user interface can save loads of time and help new users understand the program better. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Finale 2006 - MakeMusic's response
Richard Yates wrote: Well, this is all speculation on my part, of course. But, first, I am talking about EPS not PDF. I can make PDFs. Even if a Microsoft competitor to EPS were only as successful as WMA vs. MP3 that would be fine with me. After all, I can make a WMA and send it to just about anyone in the world and they can play it. I cannot even make an EPS. An interesting irony is in the listing of features found in Finale 2006, as posted at their web-site: Export as EPS they claim IS supported, but only in Windows98 and WindowsME. Garritan Personal Orchestra is supported, but only in WindowsXP (plus Mac, of course). So we have our choices, have dual boot drives where we can boot into Win98 or WinME and get the graphics we need, then do a system reboot into WinXP and get the sounds we need. What a way to run a program! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Finale 2006 - MakeMusic's response
At 10:58 AM 06/25/2005, dhbailey wrote: Garritan Personal Orchestra is supported, but only in WindowsXP (plus Mac, of course). I'd love to know why this supported in XP but not 2000. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] email quoting: request
please remove all non-essential info from messages when quoting? although receiving individual messages means you can read the first lines to decide to read further, delete, save the messages easily enough, people receiving digests have to slug through the whole thing to try to find the useful bits. often a _significant_ amount of the content of the digest is quotes ... a real pain. thanks, jef PS the following appeared not only once, but was included in yet another quote later in the digest: I just need to line up these two files and join them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] system nonsense
At 8:22 PM -0400 6/24/05, Eric Dussault wrote: In the menu -- Options -- update layout options -- be sure that the item Reflow systems across pages is checked. Strange that I never encountered the problem before. What finally worked was to uncheck automatic layout update. It wasn't updating anyway, and when I unchecked it it allowed me to update the layout manually, which was all I wanted. Reflow was not checked, but it worked anyhow. After nearly two decades of using Finale, sometimes for very complex scores, I am still learning basics... Thanks to all who helped. Linda Worsley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Doubling a Melodic Line one Octave
On Jun 25, 2005, at 11:29 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: From: Christopher Smith I would LOVE to have say, Retranscribe or Change... Noteheads under a single key. i find it hard enough already to remember every damn key i have programmed (i have 36 or so time sig and tuplet metatools!), find that a couple of more definable key-invoked transpositions would be good, but a programmable menu would be better for stuff i do only rarely and which require some preparation to run (eg. transpose augmented unison up/down). for this i found it efficient to set up a menu with a list of transpositions in iKey. same for notehead changes (change to with pause; change to diamonds; change to x; etc.) I'm ashamed to say that I haven't succeeded in getting even ONE shortcut to work in iKey yet, and I have the supposedly easy version (1.0.7). Now that I have some time, I suppose I can attack it head on, rather than cleaning my office, or house repairs, or composing, or practicing, or doing any of the other things that so desperately need doing around here... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plug-ins.
On Jun 25, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: FWIW, I have requested (in conversations w/ MM people) an automatic Patterson Beams option to be included in the document options menu so that it would be unnecessary to perform a separate operation to apply them, ... I can't look at my music without Patterson Beams applied, now that I'm used to the way they make the music easy on the eyes. I know I am in the minority here, but I confess I prefer Finale's default beaming to that produced by Patterson Beams. As for automatic features, I don't like *any* of them: they don't allow for the engraver's judgement, and they form a constant risk of undoing, e.g., one's carefully customized note spacing. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale - Error occurred. ID = -12
Has anyone ever seen this error? I'm getting it when I try to open a file in Fin05b. My friend has sent both the .mus and the .etf, and both get the same error. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale - Error occurred. ID = -12
In a message dated 6/25/05 12:39:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone ever seen this error? I'm getting it when I try to open a file in Fin05b. My friend has sent both the .mus and the .etf, and both get the same error. As I recall, it is an end-of-file error and means the file is toast unless your knowledge of the file structure can resurrect it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Plug-ins and Vintage.
Many thanks for viewpoints given on plug-ins. As a frivolous aside, I wonder who has the earliest version of Finale still in working order? By now it would be a bit like a 1948 Jaguar!- or would it? The earliest I know of was called -I think, 3.1. (Or was that Windows?) But I'm just a new (old) kid on the block! I didn't tap my first computer key till 1991! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0439-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2005 8:40 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Plug-ins. keith helgesen wrote: [snip] Someone compared it to buying a car, and buying the extras like heated seats, powered sunroof etc, etc. The point is the car runs beautifully without those, whereas- according to the list, TG Tools etc are essential ‘top-ups’ to the system. More like, buy the car, then extra for the steering system! I reiterate, Tobias et al deserve every cent they get for their genius, but the current system really lets Finale off the hook. Back when the plug-ins came out, many of us said precisely the same thing, that it was a way to off-load development costs onto the backs of users who were able to get their heads around the plug-in developer's kit and who had the time and the inclination to improve the program's functionality. That the plug-in developers (some of them, anyway) feel they should get paid is perfectly understandable, as you say, and reasonable. That they should be paid by MakeMusic is also reasonable (some of them have been, since their plug-ins are included in recent versions) since they have done development that MakeMusic didn't pay their developpers to do. As a matter of fact, to the best of my understanding, they have fewer developpers working on Finale than they did before the plug-ins were added. But don't think the program isn't very usable without the extra plug-ins (such as the full TGTools, a lite version is included) - because it certainly is very usable with only the included plug-ins. The plug-ins you can buy really are like the after-market stereos, dvd players, dual exhaust headers, air scoop, which (depending on your needs and wishes) makes your car more comfortable or more fancy or faster, slicker, whatever. But just as you can buy and drive very adequately a car with the fewest add-ons, right off the lot, so, too, you can use Finale without paying for the full Patterson plug-ins or the full TGTools. I own them both and my notational needs have me using them maybe once or twice every three or four months. And if you are able to fulfill your notational needs with Finale2001, there's no need to upgrade ever. Just the same way that if your 10 year old car without the high-performance wheels or heated leather seats is still able to get you where you want to go, you don't have to buy a new car every year the way the auto makers hope you will. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
