Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] Right. Haven't you ever used Distiller or PDF95 or some other PDF printer driver? It looks to your system exactly like a printer. If this site lets you print to your physical printer, there's nothing to stop you from printing to PDF instead. And even if you get one big PDF with all the parts, you can still selectively print pages from that later. Or, as I said, there's always a xerox machine. It would be interesting to see if that would work -- I'm not about to spend that kind of money to find out. Regarding the xerox machine, that's the same with printed parts, so it isn't that big an issue. It's just the temerity of Hal Leonard in charging the same for music where we do the difficult part of printing as they do for music where they do the printing and have the tax issues of physical inventory in the warehouse and the expense of warehouse personnel to pick the orders and ship them. In order for this print-your-own-music business model to work, there needs to be a significant discount to make it worth my time to do their work for them. The mere convenience factor just won't cut it for most people. I'd rather, if it's going to cost me the same either way, let them do the work while I go for a walk. I can wait a couple of weeks for the physical music to arrive. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
David Bailey wrote: It's just the temerity of Hal Leonard in charging the same for music where we do the difficult part of printing as they do for music where they do the printing and have the tax issues of physical inventory in the warehouse and the expense of warehouse personnel to pick the orders and ship them. While we no longer have an online catalogue at Harrock Hall (so I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything), when I set up the pricing structure for the purchase of PDF licenses for some of our titles I took into account the fact that the customer was going to spend more money down the line in printing. In some cases PDF prices were as much as 70% less than the print versions. PDF sales eventually outpaced those for hard copies, and it only took 2 months to happen. Another independent online vendor using this sort of pricing is Handlo Music. (DISCLAIMER: I do own shares in Handlo, but I'm not trying to get anyone to buy anything from the company through this post.) -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Our church has a CCLI license, and I decided to see if printing to PDF from their site would work. CCLI presents their hymn sheets through Flash, and though I received a message that the player was causing a slowdown of the program, Distiller still printed to a PDF perfectly. Does bandmusicdirect.com use Flash for their interface? -Cecil Rigby rigrax at earthlink.net David Bailey wrote; Aaron Sherber wrote: [snip] Right. Haven't you ever used Distiller or PDF95 or some other PDF printer driver? It looks to your system exactly like a printer. If this site lets you print to your physical printer, there's nothing to stop you from printing to PDF instead. And even if you get one big PDF with all the parts, you can still selectively print pages from that later. Or, as I said, there's always a xerox machine. It would be interesting to see if that would work -- I'm not about to spend that kind of money to find out. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] pdf softward
With all this discussion about pdf, is there a free pdf program for the Mac that I can download, one that is reliable, easy to use, and good quality program, specifically so that I can create a pdf from Finale? I have Adobe Reader on my mac, so I can read pdfs, but I can't create a pdf at present. Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
On Dec 2, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin Banner wrote: With all this discussion about pdf, is there a free pdf program for the Mac that I can download, one that is reliable, easy to use, and good quality program, specifically so that I can create a pdf from Finale? I have Adobe Reader on my mac, so I can read pdfs, but I can't create a pdf at present. All OSX versions have a PDF creator as part of the print dialogue. Print as normal, but look for the little button in the last window at the bottom left marked PDF. Select Save as PDF and hit OK. Done. Some people tell me that this PDF creator doesn't have some of the features of Acrobat (like hotlinks) but for making parts and sending them off to clients it can't be beat. I was worried about resolution, but apparently for normal font characters the engine saves the PostScript description, more like a map than like an image, so that it can be rescaled with no jaggies. I have had no problems (except one client had Windows 98 which wouldn't render it the new PDF version properly. But he upgraded!) If you have imported images in your scores, then there might be an issue, but then you would if you were using another distiller as well. Is there a reason why the built-in Mac PDF writer isn't good for you? Let me know, as I would like to be aware of any issues. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
Martin Banner wrote: With all this discussion about pdf, is there a free pdf program for the Mac that I can download, one that is reliable, easy to use, and good quality program, specifically so that I can create a pdf from Finale? I have Adobe Reader on my mac, so I can read pdfs, but I can't create a pdf at present. OSX have PDF creation built-in, doesn't that work in Finale? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
At 08:12 AM 12/2/2007, Cecil Rigby wrote: Our church has a CCLI license, and I decided to see if printing to PDF from their site would work. CCLI presents their hymn sheets through Flash, and though I received a message that the player was causing a slowdown of the program, Distiller still printed to a PDF perfectly. Does bandmusicdirect.com use Flash for their interface? It doesn't matter. If you have a PDF app like Acrobat that looks to your system like a printer, anything that lets you print to a printer will also let you print to a PDF. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
I am using Finale 2003a, which works only in Classic. Is the pdf print capability still available to me this way? Martin On Dec 2, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Dec 2, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Martin Banner wrote: With all this discussion about pdf, is there a free pdf program for the Mac that I can download, one that is reliable, easy to use, and good quality program, specifically so that I can create a pdf from Finale? I have Adobe Reader on my mac, so I can read pdfs, but I can't create a pdf at present. All OSX versions have a PDF creator as part of the print dialogue. Print as normal, but look for the little button in the last window at the bottom left marked PDF. Select Save as PDF and hit OK. Done. Some people tell me that this PDF creator doesn't have some of the features of Acrobat (like hotlinks) but for making parts and sending them off to clients it can't be beat. I was worried about resolution, but apparently for normal font characters the engine saves the PostScript description, more like a map than like an image, so that it can be rescaled with no jaggies. I have had no problems (except one client had Windows 98 which wouldn't render it the new PDF version properly. But he upgraded!) If you have imported images in your scores, then there might be an issue, but then you would if you were using another distiller as well. Is there a reason why the built-in Mac PDF writer isn't good for you? Let me know, as I would like to be aware of any issues. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
On Dec 2, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Cecil Rigby wrote: Our church has a CCLI license, and I decided to see if printing to PDF from their site would work. CCLI presents their hymn sheets through Flash, and though I received a message that the player was causing a slowdown of the program, Distiller still printed to a PDF perfectly. I get that message on my Mac in Firefox all the time; it doesn't seem to mean anything that I can see, as I see no ill effects at any time. Although Firefox does seem to be crashing an awful lot lately. I think it's the new updates that are messing things up. But I always got that message BEFORE Firefox started crashing and nothing went wrong. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
On Dec 1, 2007 3:43 PM, Giuliano Forghieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of several situations where that would not be neither quick nor painless, What I mean is that the actual process of creating the tuplets is quick and painless. If you are thinking of situations where the actual process of creating the tuplets is not quick or painless, I'd like to know what they are. If you choose a source measure that has only the invisible tuplet for that meter, Mass Copy will copy it repeatedly to every measure. Since any measure that has music has an entry at the beginning of the measure, the copy is quick and painless, qed. It does not matter whether there are visible tuplets in the target bars. Obviously with any workaround there are extra steps. Unfortunately, MM (and Coda before it) have never gotten Independent Time Sigs right. What I like about using the invisible tuplets workaround is that everything just works once you've set it up. The problem entering smart shapes is just the tip of the iceberg of problems you encounter with independent time sigs, unless all the underlying sigs are actually the same. I have not experimented enough lately to know which problems may have been fixed, nor can I frankly remember them all now. It has become one of those here there be dragons features for me. As long as I am touting Mass Copy, I should mention that long-time Finale users sometimes have trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that Mass Copy (unlike Finale's built-in copy) is completely free of barlines. (I also am a Finale 1.0 purchaser and user, btw.) That sounds like just words until you actually try it with a source pattern that includes, e.g., hairpin dynamics. Then the lightbulb goes on. I am frankly puzzled why anyone would stick with Fin06 if they have Fin07. I disagree that problems were not fixed. On the contrary, many problems were fixed. And linked parts is incredibly useful even if you have your parts in a separate file from the score. I couldn't imagine going back. Finally, of course, is the fact that Fin07 runs native on an Intel Mac. About the only time I use Fin06 is to open certain old files where Fin07 changes the placement of some articulations due to a change in the way Fin07 reads Font Annotation files. Now, Fin08 is a completely worthless upgrade: arguably the most worthless upgrade ever released. You have to learn an entirely new Copy/Paste workflow, and you don't get a single new useful feature or bugfix as a reward. Fin08 sits registered but unused on my hard drive, unless I have to debug a file sent by some poor sucker who adopted it. (I suppose some might say ScoreMerger is a useful new feature of Fin08. Personally, knowing what it has to do, I don't trust it for any but trivial jobs.) -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
Do these work on a Mac computer? Doing a quick look online at Print2PDF, the requirements list only Windows, not Mac. Martin On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Carlberg Jones wrote: Print2PDF Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] creating pdf's in classic
Anyone know how to save as a pdf in classic on a Mac? I can save in OSX, but I do my Finale work in Finale 2003a, and don't get the save as pdf when I get ready to print, like I do when I am in OSX...Any tips? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
At 10:15 AM -0500 12/2/07, Martin Banner wrote: I am using Finale 2003a, which works only in Classic. Is the pdf print capability still available to me this way? Yes. There are several shareware programs which work through the Chooser to create PDF files. Print2PDF is one. -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
Martin Banner wrote: I am using Finale 2003a, which works only in Classic. Is the pdf print capability still available to me this way? Print the document to a ps file. Then open the ps file with Preview and save it as PDF. It works great. I do this all the time because I still use MacWord 5.1. Just be sure to select the Include All Fonts options when you print to the ps file. Since you are also keeping Classic programs alive, have you looked into SheepShaver? I am soon going to try to get it running. It will allow you to keep running Classic programs even on an Intel Mac. It has the potentially to run them better than Classic does, though less seamlessly. It's more like having a virtual machine window open, like Virtual PC. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
At 10:56 AM -0500 12/2/07, Martin Banner wrote: Do these work on a Mac computer? Doing a quick look online at Print2PDF, the requirements list only Windows, not Mac. I used it for years on OS9 and Classic. I did not check to see what platform's available now. Did you try versiontracker.com? -- Carlberg Jones Skype - carlbergbmug Cornista - Orquesta Sinfónica de Aguascalientes Aguascalientes, Ags. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
I thought Finale had given up on Finaleviewer in favor of Notepad. Mark McCarron --- Noel Stoutenburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel Wolf wrote: Trying to figure out the future of Finale -- and MakeMusic's plans for the product -- without any concrete internal information is more like reading tea leaves than serious analysis, but the tea leaves we've been left appear to me to be gathering in an inauspicious pattern. ...snippage... Today (the first of December 2007), I received another tea leaf: for the first time, a bit of advertisement for Finale 2008 from the Finale dealer here in Germany. Compared to my past experience with Finale, this is actually quite early for an advertisement of FIN 2008! My experience (as a U.S. domiciled user, who has dealt direct with Coda / Net4Music / MakeMusic! since 2k1, the first upgrade I purchased) is that the earliest advertisements for the product are generally released in May. While not widely publicized, and not noted by many on this list (except perhaps me), MakeMusic! / Finale have scored won some significant points over Sibelius in the past fifteen months or so. It was about a year that it was announced that where Hal Leonard's popular music site, SheetMusic Direct used S~'s Scorch, that the new companion sites, Choir Music Direct, Band Music Direct, and Orchestra Music Direct, were being launched with a re-vitalized Finale Viewer, instead of Scorch. This is significant, as while it used to be possible to do work in Finale and import it to S~, it was never possible to do it the other way, as S~'s data file formats were proprietary. This means that Hal Leonard is switching (at least for products available through the web sites) to Finale from Sibelius. This did not happen overnight, and I suspect that we now know where the money needed to develop linked parts came from. I haven't done exhaustive searches, and I don't know how many other sites out there are using FinaleViewer in preference to Sibelius. I would also note that current financial environment is giving some boost to Finale over Sibelius. Last time I checked on-line prices for Finale on European sites, it was selling for a lower price in Europe than Sibelius. Since then, the exchange rate has moved so that Finale has an even greater price advantage. One thing is telling for me: S~ found it expedient to offer to give a very large discount recently to a significant subset of people as competitive upgrades. It is interesting to me that I was not able (despite a casual search) to find any similar upgrade offer to Sibelius users from MakeMusic!. Might it be that S~ found the need, and MM did not? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
On Sun, December 2, 2007 10:56 am, Robert Patterson wrote: What I mean is that the actual process of creating the tuplets is quick and painless. If you are thinking of situations where the actual process of creating the tuplets is not quick or painless, I'd like to know what they are. If you choose a source measure that has only the invisible tuplet for that meter, Mass Copy will copy it repeatedly to every measure. Since any measure that has music has an entry at the beginning of the measure, the copy is quick and painless, qed. It does not matter whether there are visible tuplets in the target bars. I'm not understanding something. This thread started because I'm composing into Finale, not using a finished source score. So if I'm composing into Finale and expect the time signature to be one different from the underlying signature, are you suggesting that I can *pre-apply* this invisible tuplet in some way to a measure that I'm about to work on? Or that, if not, I can enter any note at all just to give the measure some music (I work in Speedy), hit a key combo, and just continue as if the invisible tuplet had created the separate time signature for me? And that if I clear and fix and drag-drop/transpose measures or partial measures or use note mover, etc., it will always 'believe' that this tuplet exists? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
Giuliano Forghieri wrote: Also, I'm used to do precision work for high quality publishing, and linked parts are, as far as I'm concerned, useless. I doubt if anyone is more exacting than I am about engraving quality, and I find linked parts, on the contrary, to be incredibly useful. The mistake you may be making is to dismiss them because you can't have your parts in the same docfile as the score. If you have high standards, you will almost certainly have to clone the score and work on the parts in a separate docfile. But this is vastly superior to having one file per part, if for no other reason that you can print all or any arbitrary subset of the parts at once. (But there are many other reasons.) A personal pet peeve that was fixed in Fin07 is the ability to copy articulations based on shapes from one file to another. Fin06 and earlier had a most annoying bug in this regard. A further comment about the problems with Ind. Key sigs. The basic issue is that when you have ind. key sigs, the EDUs in one staff don't align with the EDUs in another. Effectively there are global and staff-level EDUs that can be different. Finale's problem is that over the years as features are added, sometimes they remember to account for this difference and sometimes they don't. Thus, when there are differences, the discrepancies come crawling out of the woodwork. As recently as Fin04, you could get a complete mess in an extracted part with ind. key sigs. Upgrading a pre-v3 file messed up all the clef changes. There is still this smart shape editing problem, and possibly the same problem with meas-attached exps (that use EDUs). I have no doubt there remain others as well. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
At 16.56 02/12/2007, Robert Patterson wrote: If you choose a source measure that has only the invisible tuplet for that meter, Mass Copy will copy it repeatedly to every measure. Since any measure that has music has an entry at the beginning of the measure, the copy is quick and painless, qed. It does not matter whether there are visible tuplets in the target bars. Okay, I'll give this a try. The problem entering smart shapes is just the tip of the iceberg of problems you encounter with independent time sigs... Sure, I have encountered many other problems, copying the music and getting spacing correctly without workarounds and TIME is just impossible. But, we were talking about smart shapes... As long as I am touting Mass Copy, I should mention that long-time Finale users sometimes have trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that Mass Copy (unlike Finale's built-in copy) is completely free of barlines. Yes, I known that, and it's great! I am frankly puzzled why anyone would stick with Fin06 if they have Fin07. I disagree that problems were not fixed. On the contrary, many problems were fixed. And linked parts is incredibly useful even if you have your parts in a separate file from the score. I couldn't imagine going back. Finally, of course, is the fact that Fin07 runs native on an Intel Mac. First, I am on Windows ;-), second, none of the problems that annoys me much have been fixed. Also, I'm used to do precision work for high quality publishing, and linked parts are, as far as I'm concerned, useless. Thus, I stick with 2006, with which I obtain all the results I need. I'm not saying this applies to all Finale users, I just say this applies to me and my long time habits... Fin08 sits registered but unused on my hard drive, unless I have to debug a file sent by some poor sucker who adopted it. That's why I'll buy it sooner or later: I get files from others from time to time to clean up, and since Finale files aren't backward compatible, I always need to have the latest version available. Robert, thanks again for your plug-ins and for your very helpful advices. Giuliano Forghieri ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
First of all, we are talking about a workaround. No workaround is as convenient as not having to work around. Second, we are talking about different time signatures where the barlines align, so effectively it is a shorthand for tuplets anyway, right? Third, my contention is that for a host of reasons you are better off with an underlying meter that is the same in every staff. Finale has more defects than just editing smart shapes if you have different underlying meters. So the extra effort of a workaround is possibly worth the trouble. If you grant those, I can show you a way to drastically reduce the pain of the workaround. Suppose you have 4/4, 6/4, and 7/8 as your aligning meters. Since 6/4 is the longest meter, choose that as the underlying true meter. Then enter all your notes in that meter for all parts. They will not align properly, but it won't matter. After you have finished entering the notes (or the notes for the passage), you can use Mass Copy (in one pass per staff or independent meter) to copy an invisible tuplet to the beginning of every bar to make them align properly. If you need to hear the proper playback before you finalize the notes/rhythms, etc., you can always create true ind. key sigs then change them to the other way when you are ready to create the final edits. Under no circumstances is it necessary to enter the tuplet on each bar in Speedy. Also, once it is done, you can edit at well, so long as you don't replace the first entry of the bar with an entry that lacks the tuplet. One possible source of confusion may be that, unlike Finale's Mass Edit tool (last I checked), Mass Copy can copy tuplet assignments without copying the entries they are assigned to. You may have a work process that is antithetical my appraoch. For me, I have found that using true independent key sigs is the road to perdition, so I have learned to avoid it by giving only the appearance of independent key sigs. But perhaps in later versions of Finale ind. key sigs is less problematic. YMMV. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] creating pdf's in classic
Actually, let me amend this. You need either Acrobat that works in OS 9, or you could, I think, compile postscript listings from Finale and then use a more recent version of Acrobat Distiller to make PDF files. I think that would work. Or you can, if I remember correctly, select LaserWriter in Chooser, and make a postscript file from there. It has been like.4 years since I've been in OS 9. Eric Dannewitz wrote: You need to find an older version of Adobe Acrobat. Maybe check eBay Martin Banner wrote: Anyone know how to save as a pdf in classic on a Mac? I can save in OSX, but I do my Finale work in Finale 2003a, and don't get the save as pdf when I get ready to print, like I do when I am in OSX...Any tips? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] creating pdf's in classic
You need to find an older version of Adobe Acrobat. Maybe check eBay Martin Banner wrote: Anyone know how to save as a pdf in classic on a Mac? I can save in OSX, but I do my Finale work in Finale 2003a, and don't get the save as pdf when I get ready to print, like I do when I am in OSX...Any tips? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:00:10 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today (the first of December 2007), I received another tea leaf: for the first time, a bit of advertisement for Finale 2008 from the Finale dealer here in Germany. This is an astonishly late date for this notice Do you mean the German version from Klemm Music? If that's the case: 1. I don't believe it's that much later than usual, perhaps a month later but not more. 2. I think Klemm's approach is actually beneficial for the German customers. (Sorry, can't say more.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson No, I have the English version, all my updates have come from Klemm, and this is the first notice I've received from either Klemm or MakeMusic about 2008. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Monitor question
Hello all, I'd like to request some advice about monitors. I am looking at buying a new monitor to replace my desk-hog, an old Apple Studio 21 CRT. The Dell 24 LCD (2407WFP) looks appealing, especially because it has a stand with 90° built in to the stand. In the old days, I used to have a BW pivoting monitor, and I used the swivel a lot, not just for music. I especially would like to have a full page display on something this big. The Dell also has some convenient things, like a built-in card reader, and four high-speed powered USB ports (with one upstream so you can use this as a hub), and a variety of monitor connections. With this going for about $650, is there something better for the price? Or does anyone have and like this monitor? Or would people advise going for something larger that doesn't pivot 90°? Thanks in advance, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Monitor question
Hi David, My Samsung 243T 24 - just replaced (and sold) by a wonderful (can't recommend it highly enough, for anyone who can scrape up the not inconsiderable cash) Apple 30, had a pivoting stand, and it had more than enough vertical space in portrait orientation. I think they have been available recently (though they are a discontinued model) on eBay for around $650, if you want something of that size. If I were looking now, I'd consider a rotatable 22 - maybe a Samsung (though I think there are a number of pretty good brands now, and prices have plummeted). USB ports are a help but, remember, what you plug in to them will be pulled around as you rotate the monitor. (The 24 was even a little too tall for my needs in portrait orientation. Save $, unless you write for large ensembles often.) Some people are pickier about color rendition and speed than I am, and I found the Samsung to be quite clear in rendering text and music. Almost any decent LCD will be clearer and easier on your eyes than the old CRT. Hope my experience will be helpful in your search. Best regards, Chuck On Dec 2, 2007, at 10:43 AM, David Froom wrote: Hello all, I'd like to request some advice about monitors. I am looking at buying a new monitor to replace my desk-hog, an old Apple Studio 21 CRT. The Dell 24 LCD (2407WFP) looks appealing, especially because it has a stand with 90° built in to the stand. In the old days, I used to have a BW pivoting monitor, and I used the swivel a lot, not just for music. I especially would like to have a full page display on something this big. The Dell also has some convenient things, like a built-in card reader, and four high- speed powered USB ports (with one upstream so you can use this as a hub), and a variety of monitor connections. With this going for about $650, is there something better for the price? Or does anyone have and like this monitor? Or would people advise going for something larger that doesn't pivot 90°? Thanks in advance, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
At 02:19 PM 12/2/2007, dc wrote: Aaron Sherber écrit: It doesn't matter. If you have a PDF app like Acrobat that looks to your system like a printer, anything that lets you print to a printer will also let you print to a PDF. Not in my experience. I once tried to print Scorch files (that offered a printing option) to PDF, and was told printing to a file wasn't allowed and that one had to use a real printer. That would surprise me, but I believe you. I wonder what would happen if you picked a real printer that was set up to print to file. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart shape and different time sigs
Robert Patterson wrote: A further comment about the problems with Ind. Key sigs. ...or independent time sigs. ;-) Anyway, I now finally understand what Dennis BK is trying to achieve (first I thought it was a piece with non-aligned barlines) and I absolutely agree with you, Robert. Since the time sig actually is sort of tuplet anyway, I would even go as far as to not call your approach a work-around. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Yeah, you can't print Scorch files (like from musicnotes.com) to PDF. So, anything is not quite true. dc wrote: Aaron Sherber écrit: It doesn't matter. If you have a PDF app like Acrobat that looks to your system like a printer, anything that lets you print to a printer will also let you print to a PDF. Not in my experience. I once tried to print Scorch files (that offered a printing option) to PDF, and was told printing to a file wasn't allowed and that one had to use a real printer. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] installation problem
Please say how -I've just done exactly the same thing. Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dc Sent: 02 December 2007 11:39 To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] installation problem dc écrit: After switching to XP, a bit of installing, uninstalling, reinstalling of Finale 2007, I decided I wanted to do without GPO and all the works, but now when I start Finale I get an error message saying Installation folder not found (for Native instruments), and then Kontakt gets closed (without ever being opened). Any ideas how I could get rid of this problem? Problem solved! Sorry! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Monitor question
I have two Dell 22 LCD monitors. Very nice. Make sure you run them with DVI, as the picture becomes even more clear and you can really take advantage of the highest resolution. David Froom wrote: Hello all, I'd like to request some advice about monitors. I am looking at buying a new monitor to replace my desk-hog, an old Apple Studio 21 CRT. The Dell 24 LCD (2407WFP) looks appealing, especially because it has a stand with 90° built in to the stand. In the old days, I used to have a BW pivoting monitor, and I used the swivel a lot, not just for music. I especially would like to have a full page display on something this big. The Dell also has some convenient things, like a built-in card reader, and four high-speed powered USB ports (with one upstream so you can use this as a hub), and a variety of monitor connections. With this going for about $650, is there something better for the price? Or does anyone have and like this monitor? Or would people advise going for something larger that doesn't pivot 90°? Thanks in advance, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Mark McCarron wrote: I thought Finale had given up on Finaleviewer in favor of Notepad. For individuals, this is correct. The name has been revived for e-commerce applications, where a publisher licenses certain server software side software to use in commercial destribution. It is no longer a generalized browser plugin as the previous product which bore the same name. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Triplet settings (default)
My triplet defaults are set: always flat; avoid staff. That seems fine, unless the triplet is close enough to the staff that the number is displaced to the avoid staff distance and the broken bracket is not. In this case, the number/bracket relationship is skewed (vertically), and I have to remove the avoid staff definition (which then restores the number/bracket relationship but displaces the whole triplet symbol) and reposition the triplet by hand. Am I missing something in the default settings or doing something wrong that makes this fussy hand editing necessary? Also, are others experiencing frequent 2008 (Mac) crashes - 3 or 4 in a normal day's work? I have resigned myself to this condition, but it does not speak well for 2008's stability. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
At 03:51 PM 12/2/2007, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Yeah, you can't print Scorch files (like from musicnotes.com) to PDF. So, anything is not quite true. I'm curious about this. Is there somewhere I can try playing with a Scorch file, for a buck or two? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
In Windows, the Print dialog box, where you select a printer, has a checkbox for 'Print to file' Aaron Sherber écrit: That would surprise me, but I believe you. I wonder what would happen if you picked a real printer that was set up to print to file. I'd try it out but how do you set a real printer to print to a file? Or could you try on a Scorch file and let us know? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
At 04:11 PM 12/2/2007, dc wrote: Aaron Sherber écrit: That would surprise me, but I believe you. I wonder what would happen if you picked a real printer that was set up to print to file. I'd try it out but how do you set a real printer to print to a file? I think you're on Windows, right? For me, on WinXP, the standard Print dialog has a Print to File checkbox. If I check that and hit OK, I get a File Save dialog. The resulting file can be sent to your printer later. (I haven't done this in a long time. In the old days, I would do something like 'type foo.prn prn', but nowadays my default printer is on the network, and I'm not sure how to redirect output there from a command prompt. The file itself is a binary file with PCL commands, since my printer is an HP6.) If I examine the Properties for my printer, through Control Panel | Printers and Faxes, and click on the Ports tab, I can also choose the standard FILE port. This has the same effect as the Print as File checkbox, although the Save As dialog isn't as friendly. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
At 05:41 PM 12/2/2007, Richard Yates wrote: There's a $.99 piece on this page: Okay. Well, that Scorch plugin is pretty smart. The Print to File checkbox is grayed out, and if I choose Adobe PDF as my printer I do get the message that printing to file is not allowed. Same is true if I choose FILE as the port in Printer properties. I've never seen something like that before. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
There's a $.99 piece on this page: http://www.sheetmusicdirect.us/search/browseByStyle.do?browseByStyle=Classic al I'm curious about this. Is there somewhere I can try playing with a Scorch file, for a buck or two? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2008 and Beyond
Musicnotes.com Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:51 PM 12/2/2007, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Yeah, you can't print Scorch files (like from musicnotes.com) to PDF. So, anything is not quite true. I'm curious about this. Is there somewhere I can try playing with a Scorch file, for a buck or two? Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] pdf softward
On Dec 2, 2007, at 7:44 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: Martin Banner wrote: I am using Finale 2003a, which works only in Classic. Is the pdf print capability still available to me this way? Print the document to a ps file. Then open the ps file with Preview and save it as PDF. It works great. I do this all the time because I still use MacWord 5.1. Just be sure to select the Include All Fonts options when you print to the ps file. That was my standard practice, too, when I was using Finale 2k2 in Classic. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
