Re: [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
On 07-01-18, at 23:30, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Hello Éric, Let me stray from the EPS subject a bit... I was in your boat for a long time. We were going to keep PageMaker running as long as we could and stick with OS9 files and keep our files in versions 3.5.2 thru 2003 until we came to the conclusion that this was not a viable solution. Yes, it is a band-aid but if I were you, I would not count on MakeMusic prioritizing YOUR upgrade paths for your older files. There priority has never been the upgrading of files...it has always been adding new features with little regard to how files update. For instance, if you open a 3.5.2 file in 2007 you will lose ALL text blocks. If you open the same file in 2006 those text blocks will be there. How long will it be before you will have to re- engrave all of your files because the structure of the program does not allow you to update these older files? The finale files are not the problem, because once the eps are embedded into the pagemaker doc we do not need them anymore, except for occasional correction of mistakes. You mentioned the EPS issues of letters with accents on them not printing out correctly. When I have mentioned issues like these to people at MakeMusic I have said, It's great to have all of these new features but if I cannot output it correctly what good is the program? They all seem to agree but nothing ever gets addressed. How in the world can a music notation company release a product that doesn't print EVERYTHING on the screen!!? I just don't understand how they can think this is OK and not fix it immediately? I believe that the folks at MakeMusic simply cannot see the big picture anymore. The are in their things and don't see the most important. It may be a very important factor if the wind turns and that the consensus in the publishing world be that Sibelius is THE choice publishers want. I really woke up in regards to the issue of postscript and Open Type when I started to see Adobe (who created postscript) try to snuff out the EPS format in there apps and will probably continue to do so. If you go on the Adobe forums you can see the many discussions on this subject. This really makes me wonder what Finale is going to do for those of us who create unique page sizes for many different files because they are going to be laid-out in a book or being customized for electronically distributed products. Currently I extract them out as EPS files and they are created into PDFs. I cannot image having to go into Page Setup and creating a large number of custom page sizes before going directly to PDF. This is an issue that needs to be on MakeMusic's radar for the future. There is a real dilemma we all face with the inadequate focus of MakeMusic's development of their software. They do not focus enough on the CORE of the program...they focus too much on the FLUFF. Yes, maybe the FLUFF sells but you can only ride that wave for so long. Eventually your main user base of publishers will decide that they can no longer rely on Finale and have to jump ship to another problematic piece of software (but different) and cross their fingers that this one will listen to the publishers (just like what happened when Finale first came out and everyone was using SCORE). Once they jump ship, they will force their composers and arrangers to use this OTHER piece of software for submissions (which is currently happening in some circles). The only thing that seems to be saving Finale in this area is XML but it's hard to determine how long that will last since they have not rewritten the plug-in documentation since FIN2003 (I think) and that ETFs are no longer an option. When will Sib. stop allowing XML output? This past year I upgraded thousands of octavo and hymnal files to FIN2006 with very little headache. I still had to send it through a proofing process but it was minimal. Using QuicKeys to do most of the work overnight I could come in the next day and all of the files would be ready for tweaking or printing. One of the keys to upgrading these files, which range from 3.5.2 to 2003, was to NEVER update layout. Once you do, you will have a lot of work ahead of you. If you are just upgrading files to keep them in a current OS, change some copyrights, or to just put them in an updated version of the software, then this situation works well. From what I have read and heard, upgrading to InDesign will make a lot of formatting in the text be lost. Then if we have to redo the page layout of all books containing text, proofing them to be sure that no typos or formating errors are stills there, then the cost for upgrading is simply too high. We are a small publisher with a big catalogue, and I don't believe we could afford to have one person working full-time for more than a year to make the transition. We'll have to move on some
Re: [Finale] 2007b is out
I am a bit surprised by this. I noticed as soon as I installed 2007a that only one version remained on my finale folder and that I didn't need to copy all my iKey shortcuts to a newly created app (2007a). It still read as 2007 except if I click on “about Finale” on the Finale menu. This was great news to me. I also grabbed 2007a as soon as it was announced. Éric Le 07-01-18 à 16:54, Darcy James Argue a écrit : Hey Allen, Really? Hmm. That's very mysterious. Was there any change to the installer behavior after the initial release of Finale 2007a? I grabbed Fin2007a as soon as it was available, and I definitely ended up with two separate apps after running the installer, one called Finale 2007 and one called Finale 2007a. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
Le 07-01-18 à 12:47, Paul Hayden a écrit : I've been confused by some recent postings about EPS exporting on Macs -- I thought MM finally straightened out that problem. Does EPS export work reliably with Finale 2007 on Macs running OS X 10.4 (Tiger)? Any problems with embedding fonts, printing, etc.? I've heard reports that eps in 2007 are behaving better than before. As far as I am concerned it still doesn't work. Boy do I miss OS 9 for that! Whenever I export an eps, special characters (è, é, à, ö, ä, ©, etc.) are blank on the eps. I've noticed that many other users I know that are using OS X in their own language (french in my case) are having this issue. No explanation for that. It is not possible for us to switch to OpenType fonts like Steve Fiskum said because it would break thousands of older files, and our printing dept. is still OS 9 (using good ol' PageMaker for page layout). Right now we have a workflow using pdfs (patiently waiting for the eps bugs to be fixed), but it make the PM docs so big and slows down the workflow considerably (eps linking in PageMaker was 10 times faster at least). Very often exported pdfs from Finale will make free games and we have to re-generate them. It is never as stable and predictable as eps were when it worked. Sorry for the bad news, Éric I got so fed up dealing with EPS problems that I stopped using Fin04c and started booting into OS 9 to run Fin02! OS 9 Forever! (as a mac fan, I really love and enjoy OS X a great deal, but in my work it has only brought me problems so I hate it only for this) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re:[Finale] EPS export - Mac OS X 10.4 - Fin07
On 07-01-18, at 21:46, Leigh Daniels wrote: I just did a quick test with FinMac2007a, 10.4.8 and was able to export an EPS with é and so on in it without problem. The EPS looked fine in Adobe Illustrator 10 and InDesign CS2. I have already made this test with a mac user that I know that doesn't have this problem. We have started a new doc from the default file and have made the exact same text to export to eps. His file was ok and mine was not. I could read his eps without problem and mine was displaying the same symptoms on his computer. It seem that the changes have taken place between 2006a and 2006b. In 2006, the only version I could export eps reliably was 2006a. I compared the codes in the eps made with 2006a and 2006b to see if there were differences and indeed there were. The encoding of the information regarding the fonts was different. Of course I have been in discussion with tech support about this, but all they could say is that they hoped it would be solved in a future upgrade (probably not in maintenance releases of 2007). Éric, one thing to try might be to make English the top language in the list in the International Settings preference, restart, and see if that make any difference for you. I know other people using non-English settings have had problems with apps not working correctly in those languages. I just did it. No change. The problem is still there. **Leigh Éric___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2007b (or what ever)
The consensus is maybe more like, “Why have they made this? What's the point of this upgrade?” Éric On 07-01-18, at 22:25, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: So, is the consensus that it is, or is not worth our time to upgrade? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Short cuts
Le 06-12-19 à 20:38, Aaron Sherber a écrit : Still can't get s,n or f to come in any size except micro- even in 'mid sentence'. But, it's so easily enlarged I'll live with that! I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The inserts should appear in whatever point size you are using. If you have your Text tool set to 10 point text, the inserts will be in 10 pt. If you have them set to 24 point, they will be in 24 pt. Ok. But if he doesn't like the appearance of these inserts, they are customizable. Go to document options -- text and change the percentage of the font size (something around 130 % should be fine) of whatever setting that is there for each insert symbol (or globally). Maybe that is what Jef was referring to. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Irregular Rest Placement
Le 06-12-09 à 21:33, Gerry Kirk a écrit : My question #1: (Aside from why this annoyance occurs) is there a way to select all rests in a staff and move them to the default location without disturbing notes in the measures? The move rests plug-in (note, beam and rest editing folder) has an option to clear manual positioning. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Align-Move in 2k7
Le 06-11-26 à 19:01, Robert Patterson a écrit : There is a reason for this, which is too technical to explain in detail. It depends on what the Display in Concert Pitch setting was immediately prior to upgrading the file to Finale 2007. Had I to convert files to 2007 again (very likely), is there a procedure related to Display in Concert Pitch that I should follow to cure this problem? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] single click expression tool weirdness
Yes. Still using 1.7. I banned the clunky interface of iKey 2 after using it for a while. Do you mean that it interfere with Finale's own shortcuts? Éric Le 06-11-04 à 03:11, Darcy James Argue a écrit : Are you by any chance using iKey 1.x? I had this all the time (with a different key) when using the older version of iKey. It only happened in Finale, but there must have been some kind of conflict between iKey and Finale. Upgrading to iKey 2.1 solved the problem. Cheers, - Darcy ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] single click expression tool weirdness
I did get these things happening a while ago. Don't know exactly how and why it happens. Éric Dussault Le 06-11-03 à 20:25, shirling neueweise a écrit : the problem then just goes away unexpectedly after i get bored of screaming at the programme and abandon its pitiful and malicious little #%?*!£ game. anyone else seen this? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyphen behaviour in 2006 and 2007
Sorry, didn't want to steal Michael's line! In fact you are right and it works in your situation. What I meant is a totally different situation. Say you have a two syllables on the same note, then you'll need a non-breakable space between the two syllables (option-shift on macs). On Finmac 2006 and 2007, it displays properly on-screen, but the space disapears on the printout (or pdf). Has someone else found a solution for this problem? Le 06-10-22 à 02:43, Michael Cook a écrit : er... that's the solution I promosed in my original message: ...but the only thing I can think of is to manually replace the hyphen with a space. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hyphen behaviour in 2006 and 2007
I succeeded once by going to the edit lyrics window, highlight the space between the two syllable, and change the font to times (lyrics were in another font). It worked. But some of my default files are with Times as default font and do display this problem, so there is something I do not understand in the process. Eric Le 06-10-21 à 12:39, Michael Cook a écrit : This bug was brought to my attention by somebody who does a lot of vocal score work: In 2005 and previous versions, if two syllables connected by a hyphen are moved close enough together, the hyphen disappears. He has used this in many vocal scores in places where spacing needed to be tight, but has just realised that when he imports these files into 2006 (the version he's currently using), there is now a hyphen to be seen, colliding with the second syllable. The same problem exists in 2007. He asked me if I knew any way to correct the problem, but the only thing I can think of is to manually replace the hyphen with a space. He says that he has so many occurrences of this tight spacing that it's going to take ages to find each one and manually correct it. Does anyone have a better idea? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] smart shape macro bug
It's an unbelievable time-saver, especially in some music, like with piano pedalling, or smart shape intensive scores. Le 06-10-15 à 08:12, dhbailey a écrit : I don't remember ever being able to make macros for SmartShapes. (WinFin) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: score vs. finale [was: Converting...]
I am happy to see that some people on the list would like the spacing of Finale improved. It's not a matter of comparing Finale to Score, but to make Finale do the job better. I, Ansgar Krause and Dejan Badnjar have just sent a request (in the form of a pdf explaining with examples what we would like improved) to Randy Stokes of MakeMusic. I believe Tobias Giesen is aware of this document also. Éric Dussault Le 06-10-15 à 07:21, dc a écrit : Doing mostly vocal music myself, I think this is indeed one aspect of Finale that could be vastly improved if anyone cared about it... TGTools already has some helpful plug-ins for lyrics. Perhaps we could talk Tobias into adding to them. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: score vs. finale [was: Converting...]
Le 06-10-15 à 10:20, dc a écrit : Does this concern music with lyrics, specifically, or general spacing problems? Finale's spacing of music with lyrics is so bad that it's more a question a starting from scratch than improving anything. Tobias is the only one who has something to improve on... Yes. One of the highlighted problems was with lyrics. Éric___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: score vs. finale [was: Converting...]
Le 06-10-14 à 07:42, Christopher Smith a écrit : I have never seen something I could recognise as Score output, but from visiting the Lilypond site (and other clues, like the usual engraving books) I have developed more of an eye for Finale's shortcomings in the spacing department. I am looking critically at older classical engravings now, and discovering some subtle things that I never would have noticed before. Hi Christopher, you have probably seen Score engraving everywhere if you ever looked at sheetmusic (pop) published by Hal Leonard in the last 15 years. I think they switched to Sibelius 3 or 4 years ago. The overwhelming majority of guitar instruction books and licks of rock groups were made with Score too. For a simple example, see the link below: http://www.scoremus.com/examples.html There is nothing special in this sample to prove anything about the spacing strengh of Score, but at least you'll have the chance to see that, without knowing it, you've seen lots of music made with Score. Éric ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] smart shape macro bug
I've had this bug also. Did you use a copy of your preference file of 2006 and renamed it 2007 before using the new version? see this thread: http://tinyurl.com/yzlruv using a freshly created preference file solved the problem for me. Le 06-10-14 à 19:59, Randolph Peters a écrit : Can anyone confirm if this is a bug? In Finale 2007 (Mac) we can no longer make macros for smart shapes. There are some predefined ones, but the user manual says we can make our own. (NOT!) Thanks for checking. -Randolph Peters ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] bug with split-measure and mid-measure repeats plug-ins
I ran accidentally into this bug today. I needed to use the split measure plug-in in a part to split an unmeasured bar that was too long. Later I noticed that the last measure of the part was gone! Here are the steps (100% reproducible for me):A few bars before the last one, select one measure and apply the split measure plug-in (plug-ins --measure--split-measure). Contemplate the last measure as it vanishes. Same result with the Mid-measure repeat plug-in.I suspect that it has something to do with the sometimes unpredictable behavior of the include in measure numbering feature that was added in 2006. I thought it had been worked out in 2007 but I am not sure anymore.Anyone else has experimented that?Éric Dussault___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Le 06-10-02 à 22:01, David W. Fenton a écrit :How so? It is only a problem when Finale uses the wrong enharmonic spelling. If you hit a black key you get either a flat or a sharp, according to the enharmonic mapping in place for the key in question.Music really doesn't have to be complicated to mix sharps and flats. Maybe it is unusual in baroque and pre-baroque music, but in the music of Today, even tonal, it happens all the time. I correct enharmonic errors on the first editing pass, the same one where I do beaming and stem direction. It's not what I call a time-saving entry method if you have to correct it afterwards. My note entry in speedy with computer keyboard is always correct the first time I enter music. I dare to believe it saves me time. That's all, really.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed entry on a notebook
Le 06-10-02 à 09:09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz a écrit :In terms of touch-typing, this is slower because of the reach and the two hands having to be overtop each other. I still disagree with Johannes on speed. The excellent organization of the keyboard in Speedy entry seems to be overlooked. The entire keyboard usage is shifted right from normal touch typing, so that without touching anything but the keys with two hands, music can be entered quickly in Speedy without ever touching the mouse. I agree with David and Dennis on the fact that using the computer keyboard is faster and better designed to use the functionality keystrokes of Finale. Am I overlooking something or does midi keyboard input in Speedy require to go back and shift flat and sharp notes (black keys of the keyboard). It looks to me that it slows things down quite a lot. At worst I would say that computer keyboard is not slower than midi keyboard. But that's the wonderful thing about Finale that makes it superior in term of input over the competition: many different entry methods will still get good results.The other Eric___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
It has been mentionned on MM's Forum last week in a post by Peter West I believe.Éric DussaultLe 06-09-23 à 09:49, Rich Caldwell a écrit :If this is indeed a bug, I'm surprised no one had mentioned it here or on MM's boards yet. After entering notes for only 5 minutes in 2k7, it stopped me dead in my tracks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Accidentals - what's up?
to be more precise, here is the link:http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6m=164013g=164117#m164117Le 06-09-23 à 11:16, Éric Dussault a écrit :It has been mentionned on MM's Forum last week in a post by Peter West I believe.Éric Dussault___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale's Music Spacing
Le 06-09-06 à 15:47, Fiskum, Steve a écrit :Spacing is a hard thing to discuss. It comes with experience and understanding of the extra tools available. Did you know that some scores can look just fine by using Time Signature spacing with all of the measures staying at the same width? It really depends on your project and what type of spacing needs to be applied. Spacing Octavos vs. spacing Concert Band music are very different. I am thankful that at least within Finale we have options...not so in Sib. I am leery when I hear people asking MM to "try to fix" this issue, because spacing is so personal. What could be fixed for your issues could make my workflow a disaster. Personally I believe there are different spacing concerns with every piece and that Finale does a good job getting the initial spacing setup to start engraving. If there are any improvements: I would like to have 2 choices for "Min. Distance Between Notes with Ties" 1. Notes with ledger lines 2. Notes without ledger lines I can understand your frustration but with a little extra work you can get the spacing options you prefer. Instead of taking 2 days to work on this issue with MM...take those same days and try creating your own spacing allotments. You might be surprised how well it can work for you. My 2 cents (ducking from the flames). Steve I agree that any situation is different and there are always a way to make spacing look ok in Finale. But it was not Dejan's question.We know that there are tweakings and workaround in Finale, but he was pointing out a specific example, very relevant, where Score's music spacing was great (in general a big strengh of Score), and Finale, Sibelius and Graphire Music Press more of less had the same inferior spacing. Most of us will agree that having music spacing that does not distort or alter the visual duration of notes is something desirable. Why not hope that Finale on two consecutive measures of sixteenth notes have them spaced more regularly? That's the point of Dejan and I totally agree with him on this. Are there many of us that would like default music spacing to be more beautiful?It's strange that this debate always result in people showing their own workarounds, thus escaping the real thread (same thing on MakeMusic's forum).Éric___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale's Music Spacing
It's true that in this case there is something to do by placing a bigger value. Richard's solution works only if that setting is applied to all measures of a system. Another way to do this would be to not let the first measure exceed 1000 EVPUs. I think we will all agree that there will always be a workaround to make a spacing setting that works on a few measures at a certain place in a score. In Dejan pdf on MM's site, it is obvious that the default music spacing of Score is far superior than all other examples. I would hope that Finale's global values for music spacing give us better results without having to tweaking it. There is already a lot of things to tweak anyway to make it look fine generally. If the minimum distance between items was ignored when it is not needed (when spacing is loose enough), it would already be a good start. Ledger lines spacing is also the cause of ridiculously too much space added, much more than necessary. Look at one measure of sixteenth notes on-staff, and the same with ledger line and you'll see how ridiculous it is. Even if there is lots of room to completely ignore adding space to avoid collsion of ledger lines, Finale adds it and the two measure are of a much too different length.Anyway, it's one of my biggest bug with Finale for years, but I see that most people accomodate themselves pretty well with what Finale does, so I don't have much hope for MakeMusic to improve that area of Finale.ÉricLe 06-09-05 à 20:03, Richard Yates a écrit :http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5m=161961 m=161961 I looked at your file and changed the 'minimum distance between items' to a larger number (like 60) and got better spacing of the two measures. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2007 Linked part issues - wiki?
Le 06-09-01 à 22:05, Eric Dannewitz a écrit :In general, a wiki for Finale would be an EXCELLENT idea. Yet, the online manual (PDF) generally has what I need in it, but the linked parts aren't very well documented yet There is documentation that does a fairly good job. Open the What's New pdf in the User manual folder and right at the top there is a Linked Parts Link. 31 pages detailing the basics of Linked Parts. I learned a lot reading this, especially about the limitations of Linked Parts. I am not sure what you mean by “not very well documented yet”. But I agree that Matthew's idea would be a great resource for working around the many limitations of Linked Parts.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] F2007 Linked part issues - wiki?
I guess you're right the the tutorials could be more detailed and more step-by-step like. But it is not worst than any other section of Finale's documentation. I prefer that they focus on what really counts first: More control in Linked parts mode.Éric DussaultLe 06-09-01 à 22:29, Eric Dannewitz a écrit :I guess what I mean is a step by step example of how it works. Like, if there was a step by step example of using it. It is touched upon a little in the tutorials, and the manual gives you all the raw info on what it can do, but there seems to be a lot of room for more there. Éric Dussault wrote: Le 06-09-01 à 22:05, Eric Dannewitz a écrit : In general, a wiki for Finale would be an EXCELLENT idea. Yet, the online manual (PDF) generally has what I need in it, but the linked parts aren't very well documented yet There is documentation that does a fairly good job. Open the What's New pdf in the User manual folder and right at the top there is a Linked Parts Link. 31 pages detailing the basics of Linked Parts. I learned a lot reading this, especially about the limitations of Linked Parts. I am not sure what you mean by “not very well documented yet”. But I agree that Matthew's idea would be a great resource for working around the many limitations of Linked Parts. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2007 altering score 'part'
Le 06-08-29 à 20:22, Christopher Smith a écrit : If you set the Measure Number font to fixed (I use 10 or 9) then it looks right in both the score and the parts. Normally, part staff heights are larger than the score, and measure numbers of UNfixed size change size so that they look too small on the score, or too large on the parts. Christopher Christopher: I had tought of this. But what if somehow it is not exactly how I want it to look like in Parts for example. Maybe I prefer it a little bigger in Parts. Or smaller. I mean, these limits regarding flexibility in Finale are new to us, and I don't like not being able to do EXACTLY what I want to. David: I'll test your method, but the first thing that strikes me is that the whole linked part is supposed to be a time saver, and even if it works it's way longer than just specify the font size for measure number for Score and Parts once. If I have a piece with many regions, repeats with first and second endings, I will have to do it all twice (although it is very fast with Roberts mesure number plug- in). If I do a change in the piece and need to adjust measure numbers, this will be more complicated to avoid differences from parts to score. These workarounds can only be used as we await for MM to correct some flaws in the design of linked parts (BTW most of it is IMO pretty well thought of). Isn't it strange that almost (All?) all unlinkable items containing fonts (typeface, style and size) are not modifiable by design. You can sometimes unlink their position, or show/hide it, but do nothing with the attributes of the font. This is a major limitation for me. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2007 altering score 'part'
Le 06-08-29 à 21:20, Aaron Sherber a écrit : I don't think it's fair to think of these as new limits. If you liked your old way of working with lots of separate parts files, then you can keep doing exactly that in Fin07, with no additional restrictions. I also don't think it's fair to expect linked parts to let you do EXACTLY what you want -- no matter how well thought out a feature may be, some user will always want something different. (FWIW, I think Finale's implementation of this is *much* more flexible than Sibelius's.) I just don't want people to think that I criticise MakeMusic just for the sake of it. When I was reading the documentation of Linked Parts in the online docs, I must say that I was impressed at how well thought of it was generally speaking. But the limitations were also striking me. I don't think it's unfair to expect Finale to continue to produce scores that look like what I have decided them to look like. Linked Parts is a great idea. Why would I have to choose? Of course, there will be a lot of improvements done in Linked Parts before I actually use it in real scores, but in the mean time I will never stop experimenting and finding solutions and new ways to work while maintaining the same quality. How many times have I read people laughing at Sibelius users because there were no way to adjust this or that parameter, not having full control on the music. That's where we are now with Linked Parts. But I am very confident that forthcoming improvements will get over this too. Isn't it strange that almost (All?) all unlinkable items containing fonts (typeface, style and size) are not modifiable by design. I think it's unfortunate, but it's not strange. I think MM set out to offer many more choices in their implementation of linked parts in terms of linked vs. unlinked and overriding default behaviors and so forth. The problem was that once they started, it became pretty clear that just about everything ought to be unlinkable, for maximum flexibility. The problem is designing a UI that makes sense in terms of letting the user make the changes and then signalling that something is unlinked. Where they didn't have time to come up with an appropriate UI, they basically just forced that item to always be linked. I agree that it's highly desirable for fonts (in expressions, measure numbers, etc.) to be unlinkable. I think MM just ran out of time in which to implement the feature itself and the user interface. This is how I see it too. Aaron. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked parts
Tell me if I am wrong, but If you have a 2k4 file, chances are that the parts are already done (as you said), and as they are seperate files, they will likely open in 2k7 exactly as they were when you created it. Now if you want to create parts with 2k7, it is because they don't exist in the Linked Parts integration of 2k7, and they will be created from scratch, because they don't even exist at this point, so they have never been edited at this time. The discussion about MM rests is concerning their creation with Linked Parts only I believe. If I am wrong, this would be a major problem, not being able to open an old part without losing the MM rests in whole or in part. Le 06-08-27 à 14:41, Andrew Stiller a écrit : Does this mean that if I take an orchestral part extracted in FinMac 2K4, and update it to 2K7, that all my MM rests will go to hell if I don't go back in and check that box? Also, if I *do* check it, will I lose special MM editing (width of MM measure, endpoint displacement for clef change) when I update? I know that in 2K4 and earlier versions, if you remove an MM rest and then recreate it, the new rest does not remember any editing of the old rest, and reverts to the default appearance. Is that gonna happen now when i update files with edited MM rests? If so, I simply will not install this upgrade. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] part name header - linked parts
Le 06-08-27 à 14:11, Chuck Israels a écrit : Does anyone know how to edit the part name header staff style that is in the 2007 big band template, (or where to find out about it it in the manual)? I don't know about your particular problem, Chuck, but I just discovered that it is possible to have a name to display in the score, and another one (a bit changed) in the linked part header created from the insert text method. When you generate the linked parts, just modify the name selected, and it will display differently in the instrument header than in the first system of a score. I feared that I could not do it, so I am fairly happy of this. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linked parts
Le 06-08-27 à 15:32, Aaron Sherber a écrit : Just pretend it's not there. And if you create new scores with the Setup Wizard, be sure to unckeck the box that says 'Generate Linked Parts'. Don't you need to generate linked parts first, before extracting as we did in previous versions? Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] part name header - linked parts
Ok, I think I understand now. The numbers in staves shared by many instruments are staff styles, available and editable through apply-create staff style in the staff tool. The name itself is a group name. You can click on the name when in the Staff Tool and edit full and abbrev. names from there. The name of these groups is in fact made of two different elements. You do not have to change the staff style if you only want the lettering of the instrument to be changed. Le 06-08-27 à 16:18, Chuck Israels a écrit : Hi Eric, Here's my problem: When I change the text in the Trumpet in B flat 1 header to Trumpet 1, the staff style has this header linked to the other trumpet parts in such a way that they now all say Trumpet 1. I cannot (yet) find the way to edit just that part of the insert that contains the text letters, though it is obvious that the lettering is kept distinct and separate from the numbers in order for this to work as it does. If I go into the text box in the part to edit it, the box goes blank and you must re-enter everything, and that is then linked - exactly as you type it, to the other trumpet parts. They will now all say Trumpet 1. So, what I don't know, can't find, is where that text insert is stored in Finale. It is not in Staff Attributes/Full Staff Name, which is where I tried to change it. That can be changed in the score, but the header applied to the parts retains the original full staff name as it was created by whoever made the template at MM. BTW, when going in to the staff style definition, all you see in the staff name entry is the number. The lettering part is hidden somewhere else. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] part name header - linked parts
Checking show staff-style name may even make it more obvious to find out what happens in more complicated settings of staff styles. best, Le 06-08-27 à 16:18, Chuck Israels a écrit : BTW, when going in to the staff style definition, all you see in the staff name entry is the number. The lettering part is hidden somewhere else. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] part name header - linked parts
Strangely enough, I looked at the full concert band template and located the trumpet 1-2 staff, and in this case all is written in the staff name, even the 1,2 after the name, no staff style. It displays by default Trumpet in Bb and is fully editable. Le 06-08-27 à 17:21, Chuck Israels a écrit : Hey Eric, That sounded so good - a group name, so logical, but the group name is also just Trumpet (as I changed it), so I am still at a loss as to where that Trumpet in B flat text is stored. I've checked every place I can think of, looked in Staff Style definitions, staff and group attributes, etc., and can't think of what I might have missed. Chuck Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] part name header - linked parts
Sorry Chuck, i can't find a template called big band template in the template folders of 2007. The nearest I could find was full concert band. Le 06-08-27 à 18:03, Chuck Israels a écrit : Eric, Did you try to find this in the big band template? Si je ne suis pas deja la, ca va me rendre fou! Is it possible that your Trumpet 1 name was already edited? bonne chance! Chuck Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Linking parts and score in a previous file
David, i believe it is a Mac bug in printing linked parts in 2007. I don't think it affects Finale PC users. Le 06-08-26 à 14:00, dhbailey a écrit : I've printed a page range from a score in 2007 (it had been created in 2005) and there was no problem -- I printed to my 995PDF printer and selected the following pages: 1-3,18-21 and it printed exactly what I told it to. I had not generated parts yet, but it did handle the print range just fine. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Cues in 2k7, displaying rests in the score
Le 06-08-19 à 08:57, dhbailey a écrit : Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 19.08.2006 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am trying to set up cues in a 2k7 file. In the score I hide them using Blank Notation with Rests (layer 4). However, the rests still get displaced as though there were other notes there. Do I now have to move them all by hand, or is there a setting I am missing? It seems that moving them by hand doesn't work either, since rest positions seem permanently linked. Is that correct? It would then seem that cues are in fact not possible for linked parts, at least unless they are very simple cues, or they don't display rests at all. Bugger. Johannes Can you change the default setting for layer 4 in the Document Options dialog, or will this create havoc in the score? It can probably help for this location, but the problem will appear elsewhere for sure, because the rests may always need to be adjusted depending on the register of the cue. It seem to me that Finale's legendary flexibility suffers enormously from linked parts. Now the situation is reversed, and it is the user that must be very flexible. I fear that maybe the limitations of the software's linked parts will lead to a change in the way people write their music. Instead of using the established standards (that linked parts cannot follow), they will do whatever the software allow them to do. Very sad. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 review
Le 06-08-11 à 08:42, Aaron Sherber a écrit : Because not everything is linkable/unlinkable in all the ways you might want. To take just one example, Dennis Collins said he likes to have his measure numbers positioned differently in score and parts; you can't do that with linked parts. I also find that the current handling of cue notes is not great for single-file projects. Aaron. Another thing is getting some score settings like line thickness, clef distance at beginning of staves to be different in parts and score. As I see it it is not possible right now. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MacOSX Inserting EPS
Le 06-08-08 à 15:19, Fiskum, Steve a écrit : The real kicker is when you create thousands of files for a book. You print the files for proofing before going to layout. After corrections have been made you make EPS files and place them in your layout program (so far everything looks great). When you go to printout a 1st proof of the book you discover that the EPS files need to be manipulated in order to be printed out correctly. This forces you to tear your hair out. Hi Steve, I read your posts here and on MM's forum and want to thank you for helping MakeMusic track the problems with eps in Finale 2006. It has been a nightmare so far, exporting from buggy 2006a being the most reliable way for me, although with a lot of downsides. Knowing that someone needing eps the same way we need at work is comforting. After all that happen in the last versions of Finale, it remains to be seen if the problems with eps indeed have been solved. But I am very confident with what I have read and am really excited to go through Finale 2007 as it comes home (tomorrow!). We've discussed a lot on MM's forum when 2006 was out and I know we're both expecting the same from Finale's eps. Éric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Donald Rice's Golden Age font
Just out of curiosity, I checked the link in the font section of Jari Williamson's website (www.finaletips.nu) and the link is no longer valid. Le 06-07-29 à 14:01, Bob Shuster a écrit : After many years’ hiatus, I find myself getting back into the music biz, but I am unable to locate a faithful old friend, namely the Golden Age typeface created by Donald Rice. I was unable to find much info on the web, and have so far received no response from Mr. Rice with the email addresses I have. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Hard spaces not appearing
Le 06-07-04 à 02:54, Jonathan Smith a écrit : Has anyone any clues as to why hard spaces (alt-spacebar) placed in lyrics are showing on screen but don't appear in print or in preview or pdfs. Is this a: Font problem; Adobe PostScript Type 1, or an OS; Mac10.4.2, or Finale; 2005 2006? Thanks in advance Hi Jonathan, I read somewhere that the problem is solved when one uses only opentype fonts. Haven't got time to experiment that. I've had the same problem last week, and a temporarily workaround is to go into the edit lyrics box and change the font of the hard spaces to Times when it occurs. Another user told me that this workaround also worked on his setup. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time signatures
Hi Kim, If you don't need either cut time or common time abbreviated symbols, I would choose the one I don't use and then go to document options -- Time signatures and set the symbol to 3. I would then set the time signature so normal time sign is 3 whatever and time signature for display to cut or common time abbrev. as you defined in the time signature options. I do that very often and it works very well. Le 06-07-01 à 16:33, Kim Patrick Clow a écrit : I am working on an overture that has multiple movements. Some of the dance movements have time signatures of a single 3. While I can change the document option for time signatures to reflect what the manuscript shows, (I do that by putting a large distance for the lower number and force it off the page) This won't work because it will affect all the time signatures for all the movements, some of which have time signatures of 6/8 or 12/8 and I need that lower number to be seen. Any suggestions for a work around? Thanks much! Eric Dussault Finale 2006d for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dotted slurs...
Le 06-06-24 à 17:46, Kim Patrick Clow a écrit : Is there a way to increase the hashing/dotted effect to make it more noticeable? With the smart shape tool you can not increase it on a case by case basis. It is a global setting in the smart shape options. Specifically Dash length and space that you could modify to accomodate shorter slurs. It will also affect built-in dotted lines in other smart shape tools. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout for ABA form
Le 06-05-28 à 13:03, Richard Yates a écrit : Where do you see defensiveness or (most puzzling) attack? I think you may be reading a reaction into my response that is not there. I really did want to know if and how the intent could be genuinely misunderstood. No one has said that they did not understand what was meant - only that they thought other people in a sight-reading situation would misunderstand it. Your idea that someone could assume it was a typo is something that I had not considered and does answer my question substantively. Thanks. Hi Richard, read Christopher response to your question again. It is as clear as I could describe it myself in english. You seem to have convinced yourself with that way of writing it, and there is nothing we can do to make you change your mind I guess. But you must understand that every poster made it clear in their answers that it was unstandard and that I would most likely be misunderstood by any reader (or at best take some time to understand, which is the last thing we want), because they will not have seen this strange way to notate ever before. D.S. al Coda is as clear as it can be and everyone will understand it. I do a lot of guitar music, and the instrument of orchestration has nothing to do with the way the form is written IMO. If it was to be published, then it is another good reason to make sure that the form is clear enough to everyone that might read it. Eric Dussault Finale 2006d for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-06 à 12:30, Johannes Gebauer a écrit : As I said in another post: I don't like them, I don't want them, I don't need them (tapered dotted slurs). Sorry, no help from me on that. That's ok with me. I don't expect anyone to absolutely need them. I just feel that from an engraving point it is wrong, and a limitation of Finale (or that the programmer was too lazy to get it right from the beginning). If it had always been correct (tapered dotted slurs), we would not be talking about that because we would take for granted that ALL slurs and ties must be tapered (dotted or not). But in the present situation I understand that many people don't need it, or are not worried about their present look. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Tell me your trick to get a tapered dotted slur, because it's so easy to adjust the positioning of slurs to look like tie and I don't think it is what David was meaning. Or maybe it is just that a docuement full of dotted ties would be time consuming. Le 06-05-05 à 04:26, Johannes Gebauer a écrit : My ties do look almost like slurs, and tweaking a dashed slur to look like a tie is not difficult. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-05 à 04:25, Johannes Gebauer a écrit : That's debatable. None of the editions I see in front of me use tapered dashed slurs. Those which use dashed slurs use the same kind that Finale produces. Doblinger, Schott to name just two. That's one of the problem I don't like with technology. Because the software doesn't do something, then a bad standard is establised because of that limitation. I believe Doblinger is using Finale. I am almost sure to have seen these slurs in Schott somewhere, but I know they use Score a lot and Score's slurs are tapered. In Kurt Stone's Music Notation in the Twentieth Century the example of dotted slurs are tapered. Anyway, to me it's a no brainer. Would anyone like normal tie and slurs to be only a normal curved line? It's exactly the same with dotted slurs and ties. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question (Eek, I openeda can of worms)
Le 06-05-04 à 06:45, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz a écrit : I think that stem connections get applied when changing with the notehead tool. It does that for me. Though it would be nice if all the characters had a stem connections library. I don't see one. Dennis Stem connections will work with the notehead tool if you stay with the same font. If you change the font of the notehead, then you'll need to apply a staff style defined with this font as notehead. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-04 à 08:31, Scot Hanna-Weir a écrit : What we really want is easy dashing of hairpins and ties. (I know about making a smart shape and setting a slur instead of a tie, but I wish it were easier). That's one of my most wanted feature. Something I talk about for years. At least I am not alone. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-04 à 09:19, Christopher Smith a écrit : What would be easier than entering a dashed slur? Christopher, Finale's slur is not tapered like a real slur. It's only a curved line. It simply doesn't look professional. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
Le 06-05-03 à 17:06, Johannes Gebauer a écrit : On 03.05.2006 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Figured bass. With a decent font. Personally I wouldn't care about the font, if it was implemented in a way where it can utilize both fonts and the shape designer. I would prefer it to be a sub-mode of the chord tool, including basic playback capabilities (I don't care about voice leading, if it can simply play the right chords). Personally, the thing I would like the most is having the expression designer completely redesigned. It is so archaic. A very simple tool that would let me design shape with the standards established by Adobe's apps (Illustrator, InDesign etc.). This way we could get complex shapes to smoothly resize without having to do enless adjustments. As soon as there is an ondulating line (frequent in new music), Finale shows its limits in this tool. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: [Olist] Sibelius/Finale question [lengthy Bailey reply] (cross-posted from OrchestraList)
I am not against the idea, if some people find it useful, but I want Finale to have modern drawing tools within the Shape Designer. Right now I feel like entering the Paint software that was part of Windows 95 (maybe earlier). I don't like the «Commodore 64» feel to it! Anyway I would not rely on imported graphics. Embedded graphics in Finale 2006 was appealing when it was announced but I read many stories about people not being able to open files containing these graphics. With the amount of projects I am working on, I would not jeopardize with my files. If I have to add some graphics, I always put them directly into Pagemaker. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com Le 06-05-03 à 20:47, Eric Dannewitz a écrit : The ability to use EPS, Adobe pictures, or whatever as expressions. Like the graphics tool, except 20 times better and more flexible. That would be very cool. Éric Dussault wrote: Personally, the thing I would like the most is having the expression designer completely redesigned. It is so archaic. A very simple tool that would let me design shape with the standards established by Adobe's apps (Illustrator, InDesign etc.). This way we could get complex shapes to smoothly resize without having to do enless adjustments. As soon as there is an ondulating line (frequent in new music), Finale shows its limits in this tool. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Adjusting Rests
Le 06-05-02 à 20:57, Noel Stoutenburg a écrit : Jacki Barineau wrote: Is there some way to force the rests in Layer 1 to move down into the normal position even though there's a layer 2 voice in the first beat of the measure? It just looks funny with them sticking up above the staff!! In speedy, I place the cursor on the rest, and drag it down to the position I desire, usually the normal position, but sometimes a space or two higher, if there happen to be notes in another layer that conflict with the normal placment. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To reset a rest to its default center position, position the cursor on the rest in speedy and hit «*» on the numeric keypad. There is no need to manually adjust it if you want it centered, as you could accidentally move its horizontal position. my 2 cents, Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tie Question
Le 06-05-02 à 21:47, Jacki Barineau a écrit : I'm having another problem with a needed backwards tie that's not working :( It's right after a repeat sign. The last beat of the measure with the repeat contains an Eb chord (Eb, G, Bb) that has a tie I've shortened in length to go with the first chord in the first measure that gets repeated... No problem there. The problem is with the first chord in the measure after the measure with the repeat sign. It's a Cm chord (Eb, G, C) - and when I do the shift-T in Speedy Entry to get my backwards repeat, it will put a tie on the bottom 2 notes (Eb and G) I'm assuming since the preceding chord also contains these notes. But it won't put a backwards short tie on the C... In another song, I know I made this work somehow even with NO notes (a rest) in the preceding measure... Any clue what the problem might be?!!! Is there a way to manually draw in a tie?! have you tried checking «tie end» when, in speedy, you ctrl-option click the measure? Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tie Question
Le 06-05-02 à 21:54, Éric Dussault a écrit : have you tried checking «tie end» when, in speedy, you ctrl-option click the measure? or a similar combination if you are on Windows. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tie Question
Le 06-05-02 à 21:47, Jacki Barineau a écrit : I'm having another problem with a needed backwards tie that's not working :( It's right after a repeat sign. The last beat of the measure with the repeat contains an Eb chord (Eb, G, Bb) that has a tie I've shortened in length to go with the first chord in the first measure that gets repeated... No problem there. The problem is with the first chord in the measure after the measure with the repeat sign. It seem that it doesn't work in this situation. It would if you had a tie end starting a second ending. sorry. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Problems opening a file with Graphics
I remember reading a post about this on MakeMusic's forum, I think it was this one: http://tinyurl.com/p9sqx Le 06-03-18 à 16:08, Eric Dannewitz a écrit : Last night I was working on a sheet which had a graphic I imported into Finale. It looked fine, and I printed it just fine. Today, I try to open the file and Finale just hangs.. The graphics is 180K. The total finale file size is 428K. I'm using a Mac running Finale 2006d. I embedded the graphic. Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d
In fact I was talking about text ligatures, not the music. You can look at the example on the link given in the original post to see it. Le 06-03-15 à 23:59, John Howell a écrit : In fact early music notation is filled with ligatures up through and including the 16th century. I have a strange feeling that this isn't what you mean! Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d
look at the difference in the letters fi on the title and in the text. One is with ligature character and the othe with the two letters. Le 06-03-16 à 04:17, dhbailey a écrit : What am I missing? I'm on windows, and when I look at the two examples, I see nothing in the first example which is missing in the second example. What is the ligature you're asking about? All I see is the hyphen between syllables in both examples, and on my computer they both look the same. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d
Thank you so much Christopher for taking the time to do this, I was out today and just got back from work. I will definitely write to techsupport to know how this feature is supposed to work in normal conditions, and what is not working as expected. Le 06-03-16 à 08:57, Christopher Smith a écrit : I only tested fi, because that was the ligature that appeared in Dennis' example. I used the default lyric font from Finale's Maestro Default File, which is Times 12 plain. I went back to check other ligatures, and apparently fi and fl are the only ones substituted. Ae and oe are not, though I can type opt-' and opt-q to force those last two, as expected. Typing op- sh-5 for fi forces that one, and opt-sh-6 forces fl. All forced ligatures are preserved when exporting as EPS, whereas the fl and fi that are automatically substituted by Finale get stripped. Times does not appear to have ligatures for ff, ffl, nor ffi, so I didn't check them. I should mention that if you use the OSX's Print To PDF function, then it shows up exactly as in the Finale file. It is only Export EPS that strips the automatic ligatures. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ligatures in Finale 2006d
I was working on a vocal piece this week and noticed that Finale 2006 is automatically transforming common ligatures (like fi to fi for example). Once an eps is exported into a DTP program, the ligatures are gone. Is this a bug, and can someone replicate this problem? A screenshot and a pdf made from the eps can be seen here: http://tinyurl.com/evzj6 It highlights 2 problems for me: 1) If it was working as expected and I did not want Finale to replace common ligatures automatically, is there a way to desactivate this feature and just see things like I entered it in Finale? 2) If I really want this feature, is there a way to make it work and look the same when printed as on-screen? Thanks for any help, Eric Dussault Finale 2006d for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] hyphenation in portugese
Thanks a lot to Adam, Marcelo and Mark for sharing these informations. I'll definitely take them into consideration. Eric Dussault Finale 2006d for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com Le 06-03-06 à 23:21, Mark D Lew a écrit : On Mar 6, 2006, at 5:09 PM, Éric Dussault wrote: teñyo : te-ñyo or teñ-yo descoñyo : des-co-ñyo-ci-da or des-coñ-yo-ci-da I really prefer the second choice, but still have a slight hesitation. These are non-standard spellings, so it's hard to say for sure, but I incline strongly toward your first choices. Standard Portuguese doesn't even have an ñ character, and in Spanish, where the character comes from, you wouldn't see it followed by a y. Nevertheless, the general pattern in both Spanish and Portuguese is that an intervocalic consonant is going to go with the following vowel (unless a clear prefix or compound derivation attaches it to the previous one). By splitting between the ñ and y you'd basically be saying that the y is functioning as a consonant completely separate from the ñ. Without understanding why the -ñy- spelling exists at all, I can't say for sure that it doesn't, but it sure doesn't look that way to me. It looks to me like they go together and it's a variant spelling for modern -nh- or -ñ-. Therefore, unless someone comes up with a compelling argument to the contrary, I would feel completely confident splitting te-ñyo and des-co-ñyo-ci-da. second question: In spanish (or castellan in this case), would the words with 2 ll's (for example senzillo) separate between the two “l” like it normally does? Never separate a double L in Spanish. No exception. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] hyphenation in portugese
I am currently working on a renaissance project involving lyrics in different language for different songs. Is there someone on the list who's confortable enough with portugese to tell me what would be the correct hyphenation for these words: teñyo : te-ñyo or teñ-yo descoñyo : des-co-ñyo-ci-da or des-coñ-yo-ci-da I really prefer the second choice, but still have a slight hesitation. second question: In spanish (or castellan in this case), would the words with 2 ll's (for example senzillo) separate between the two “l” like it normally does? Thank you, Eric Dussault Finale 2006d for Mac PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8GHz 2 GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] System separators
Hi Chuck, Jari's plug-in has been adapted by MakeMusic and is one of the new plug-ins of Finale 2006. You'll find it in the plug-ins menu. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com Le 06-02-20 à 23:53, Chuck Israels a écrit : Thank you Aaron, I thought I had remembered something about this, but I am on a Mac running OS X, so I'll continue to seek a good solution. Chuck On Feb 20, 2006, at 7:32 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:21 PM 2/20/2006, Chuck Israels wrote: What have you found to use as system separators when more than one score system appears on a page? Jari Williamson has a Score System Divider plugin that uses character 187 in EngraverFontSet, inserting it as a text block. The plugin is available at http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ jwsystemdivider.html. It still works for WinFin and older versions of MacFin, but I don't think it runs on OS X. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Copying bug?
Hello Christopher, I have followed your instructions, and I can reproduce the exact buggy behavior you described. The people at MakeMusic probably just don't want to acknowledge the problem, but I don't know why. I did it both with my own template file, AND with MM's default file. I can't believe they are ignoring this. Maybe they just decided that 2006 developpement cycle was over and are focusing elsewhere, leaving us with this unfinished product. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com Le 06-02-21 à 19:01, Christopher Smith a écrit : I am on MacOS 10.3.9, Finale 2006c. Create a score that has at least six staves. Enter music in the first measure of staff 4, add articulations and note expressions, then copy it to staves 5 and 6. Transpose staves 5 and 6 an octave higher and lower respectively so that you can determine what gets copied correctly. Select measure 1, staves 4,5,6 with the Mass Edit tool. Next, opt-sh click on staff 1. You will see the Items to Copy box, Select all except Measure ItemsBarline, Key, Measure expressions, and repeats, and set clefs never to copy. Hit OK. All should be well, as everything should copy as expected. NOW, undo that and with the SAME three staves selected, opt-click on measure 1 staff 2 instead of staff 1. You can opt-sh-click as well and OK the dialogue box - it makes no difference on my machine. The notes copy to all staves correctly, but the note expressions and articulations do not, but only for Staff 2. Now undo that and opt-click on staff 3. NOW the articulations are missing on Staff 3 AND Staff 4! Apparently if one staff is overlapped, you lose things on one staff; if you overlap two staves you lose items on two staves. Can other Mac users confirm, please? And maybe see if this happens on Windows as well? Thanks. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 256th notes
then you could first define your tuplet so that the duration change will have the proper effect on them. Le 06-02-12 à 10:26, dc a écrit : The spacing issue is related to the tuplet definition. If I proceed as you say, create the tuplet and then change the duration, the tuplet definition is also changed in the process and reads: 5 8ths in the time of 4 64ths, so everything gets shifted to the left, since I don't have enough notes. Dennis Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] font trouble
I've had this problem a couple of times, and I am note sure exactly how to solve it, but I've succeeded with a combination of deactivating and reactivate the font, double-clicking on it in FontBook, and reboot the computer. I don't remember exactly. Le 06-02-05 à 12:44, Andrew Stiller a écrit : Mac OS 10.3, FinMac 2K4. I recently received some fonts and installed them. They now appear in Font Book, but refuse to appear in Finale's font list, no matter what font collection I put them in. Font Book shows them as enabled. Eric Dussault Finale 2006c for Mac Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale list vs D. F.
Le 06-01-31 à 13:44, Andrew Stiller a écrit :Two things: 1) People who are deliberately rude do it because they wish to get a rise out of people, so as to validate their own existence. The way to control such behavior is simply not to respond. At all. 2) Telling someone they are rude is itself rude. If someone insults you, manners says that you should either pretend not to have heard anything or give the offender the opportunity to retract by saying "Excuse me? Mea culpa. I think you are right Andrew. I was definitely validating the feeling I had that something was wrong. I guess it was foolish from me to expect something from it. I do stand by what I wrote, except the last sentence, which was not appropriate. I agree that we should go on and stop this thread. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart
Le 06-01-30 à 09:20, David W. Fenton a écrit :I'm quaking in my boots at the idea that everyone is saying bad things about me behind my back! Or on the list! Look, I've been around a long time participating in online discussion, and I know how to hold up my end of a discussion. I'm not afraid of criticism. But bitching and moaning about the tone of my posts, rather than simply commenting on it once (or actually engaging the content -- what a concept!), seems to me to be of no benefit to anyone. Reading that made me give up any hope that you could ever understand how to behave on this public list. You just don't get it that we are note only computer communicating, but human beings with emotions and capacity of social good behavior. This list is particularily civilised and you are a shame for too many of us.I just wish there would be a moderator on this list to kick you out.All I'll do now is kick your posts out in the trash. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Happy 250th Birthday Mozart
Le 06-01-30 à 20:43, David W. Fenton a écrit : If this list were moderated it would cease to be interesting. I've seen it happen in other forums -- people complain about "rudeness" from other posters and demand a moderated list. The list becomes moderated and then nothing interesting is ever posted. Not true. Everything else posted here does not need moderation. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fenton...the throwback
Le 06-01-29 à 15:45, David W. Fenton a écrit :But I simply don't see what posts like this one accomplish. It would be one thing if you sent it to me personally, but sending it to the list seems to me to be nothing but an invitation to a flamewar, an invitation I'm not going to accept. You really don't get David, don't you. Sending these posts to the list makes a lot of people like me feel comforted in the fact that they too often feel really uncomfortable with the tone of your posts. I know now that it offends a lot of other people. Assuming your posts is far from beeing enough. If I was capable of it, I could not possibly kill someone and say to the world : “hey, I assume that completely and that's ok.” David you are responsible for the offense you do to people very often. You can't just get away with it by assuming it! It's not that you are right or wrong. It's about social behavior.As many people, as I see now, I often trash your posts without reading it and it's a shame because you are a very knowledgeable person. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fenton...the throwback
You really don't get it David, was what I meant, sorry.Le 06-01-29 à 16:03, Éric Dussault a écrit :You really don't get David, don't you. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font face/size for Triplets MM rests?
Le 06-01-22 à 15:46, Eric Dannewitz a écrit :I tend to like SANS type fonts (IE: not Time, but Arial). And for Multimeasure Rests, I use whatever the default is. But I thought it would be interesting to see what others use. Personally, I can't see anything but a Serif font in italic for tuplets. I use New Century Schoolbook Bold. I'm not sure I remember ever seeing a Sans Serif font for tuplet in pre-computerized music publications, but I may be wrong. But I know some people like Sans Serif font for tuplet... Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time signature question
Le 06-01-21 à 06:21, dhbailey a écrit :If you're just placing the two meters beside each other at the start of the work, how will anybody know when a measure is supposed to get the 3/4 feeling instead of hemiolas in 6/8? With both meters allowing 6 8th notes (or 3 quarter notes) it may not be immediately obvious in measures other than ones full of 8th notes where you can show the meter with the beaming. When beaming correctly in 3/4 and 6/8 measure, it should be obvious in which of the two he is. Following Ted Ross-like rules for beaming and rests should make it clear. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time signature question
Le 06-01-21 à 16:05, John Howell a écrit :And another question: When one does change time signatures, is it proper always to use a double bar line, or never to use a double bar line? I've always used it, but I'm not sure why. Of course I use double bar lines at structural points as well, just to make sightreading and counting rests easier. No. it is not proper to use double barlines. In older music this was the practice, but with the much more common time signatures changes in modern music, it is just not necessary to use it, and it makes the music look cluttered. Some may prefer to use these, but I think it has become the general practice not to put double barlines at TS changes. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Time signature question
Le 06-01-20 à 16:36, Don Hart a écrit :I can get a beautiful 6/8 *plus* 3/4 using the composite option in "use different time signature for display", but haven't found a way to get rid of the plus sign or add the parentheses (within the realm of the time signature). To remove the plus sign, go to document options -- time signature, then there is a button at the bottom of the window that lets you choose the character you want. Choosing empty character 202 should do the job. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tempo indication (translation)
Le 06-01-19 à 15:27, Christopher Smith a écrit : La noire = 108 (les noires swinguées) Christopher I would personally go for: [noire] = 108 (les noires en swing) Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Inserting notes
Le 06-01-14 à 13:00, Josue Moreno a écrit :Im talking about insert a note betwen existing notes.(i cannot find it in the tutorial) in speedy, position the cursor on the note after the one you want to insert. enter the note to insert while pressing shift (mac). Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Intel Macs out
Le 06-01-13 à 22:45, Eric Dannewitz a écrit :This is indeed good news. I hope they can get it released when Finale 2007 comes out, which is late summer if they hold to what they have been doing recently. I'm curious. Would an Finale MacIntel version (2007?) work with my actual setup(non-Intel), a dual 1.8 GHz G5? Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacReal-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Smart Slurs - Engraver Slurs
I feel this way too and always work with engraver slurs off. I've seen so many people having trouble with it that I feel good with this decision. The engraver slurs need need tweaking anyway. And since articulations can be taken into consideration in the placement I still get some benefits too. But I know this will likely not be the consensus on the list. Just my opinion.Eric DussaultLe 06-01-08 à 19:47, Andrew Stiller a écrit :Absolutely not! Engraver slurs need just as much tweaking as regular slurs in order to look right, and IMO the old slurs are more easily adjusted. I instruct everyone who publishes with me to turn off engraver slurs before beginning their work. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius 4 and other oddities
You might find this page interesting. You'll see the history of the Score music notation software. The earliest printings made from Score date back to 1971! http://www.scoremus.com/products.htmlLe 06-01-04 à 16:41, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account a écrit :Since my FINALE class for the Musicology School in Cremona will include a brief history of computer music notation, I was wondering if anyone might have some odd bits of experiences to share with me, particularly regarding OTHER music notation software? Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Reverse Piano Reduction (sort of)
Couldn't you use the (octave) transpose function in mass edit, and check the "preserve original notes" checkbox?Le 06-01-03 à 21:13, David W. Fenton a écrit : Yes, I could copy to another staff, transpose, then copy back to the original staff in a different layer, but what I really wanted was to have the line doubled in octaves in the same layer. Is there some simple way to do this with some of the tools Finale provides? I ended up putting the octaves by hand, which was pretty tedious. Eric DussaultFinale 2006c for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz2GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] extend secondary beams
No, you can double-click the handle and choose the value you want to extend.Le 05-12-28 à 06:23, Owain Sutton a écrit : Doesn't the beam extension tool only work on the primary beam? Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for Mac ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New bugs with lyrics tool
Finale 2004 of course. The font is Times, so there it should be fine there.Le 05-12-19 à 22:09, John Bell a écrit :Not sure whether you mean AD 2004 or Finale 2004, but I've opened various files from the years 2002, 2003 and 2004 in FinMac2006b. Lyrics seem to be OK . Is it possible that it is a font issue? Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] New bugs with lyrics tool
I've had two issues with the lyrics tool in the last few days.1) When smart hyphens is checked, no hyphens are to be seen at all.2) 2004 files with lyrics open in 2006b without lyrics. They are gone! opening the same file with 2006a is ok, but do I want to revert to 2006a? NO!Can others replicate this bug? Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FinMac Sluggishness
Le 05-12-18 à 01:57, Darcy James Argue a écrit :If you are finding that FinMac2006b is slower overall than FinMac2005, definitely mention this to MacSupport. You might also want to encourage them to release a Fin2006c release that specifically addresses these delays. Finale 2006b is faster than 2005. But I think Chuck said that mass edit selection is slower to respond than it was in 2005. This is at least my own experience. Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] triplets
Le 05-12-16 à 08:03, John Bell a écrit :If you wish to enter a sequence of triplets, do this: engage the caps lock key. Now press opt 3, then 4 (for quaver triplets) or whatever. Then enter the notes. This way you could enter the RH of the Moonlight Sonata slow movement in about two minutes! John If I am right, it only works if you're entering the notes via the midi keyboard instead of the computer keyboard. To enter notes with the computer keyboard, you need to uncheck "use midi keyboard for playback" and press caps lock to allow the keyboard to work in speedy. Because of that, your method only works on the first triplet. Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] First Finale 2006b bug?
Le 05-12-14 à 11:28, Fisher, Allen a écrit :I just created a file with four staves, all set to independent time sig and it works fine. Éric, I'd suggest sending this in to support... Thanks Allen, already done. Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] First Finale 2006b bug?
Much worse than that, I just discovered that changing time signatures (independant for each 4 staves of this string quartet) at the end of the document changed the time signature in the staves at the begining (mesure 4) of the piece. Ouuuh! Eric Dussault Finale 2006b for Mac PowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz 1GB Ram Le 05-12-13 à 21:42, Éric Dussault a écrit : First test with Finale 2006b and an important bug! Really, it's the first thing I did when I opened 2006b. Just wanted to test the Time signature tool improvement and apply a time signature to a measure with an existing document (a copy of it of course). Nothing happens and I am at the end of the document. I try somewhere else: after clicking on a measure to change the time sign, the change is applied two measure later. Strange, isn't it? I feel that I will still need to test it exhaustively before getting into production with it. Damn! Will this day arrive where I will safely use an OS X version for my work? Anyway, I would like to know if you can replicate this problem. Thank you, Eric Dussault ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] First Finale 2006b bug?
It is possible that it behaves this way with indepedant time signature on.Have you tried that?Le 05-12-13 à 21:53, Simon Troup a écrit :Hi Eric Can't reproduce that here at all. Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] First Finale 2006b bug?
Le 05-12-13 à 22:00, Éric Dussault a écrit :It works fine for me too with a normal setting with no independant time signatures.I rarely use this feature, but when I need it, it has to work reliably.Le 05-12-13 à 21:53, Simon Troup a écrit :Hi EricCan't reproduce that here at all. Eric DussaultFinale 2006b for MacPowerMac G5 Dual 1.8 GHz1GB Ram ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font Annotation transfer
Thanks David, it seems to work fine as you described. Éric Le 07 oct. 2004, à 06:20, dhbailey a écrit : You can try to copy the ORIGINALFONT.FAN file and rename it to NEWFONT.FAN (of course originalfont and newfont would be different, but you get the point.) You will need a binary editor because the name of the font is embedded in the FAN file, but I would think you could edit that easily since I only saw it there once.___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Font Annotation transfer
I am using TypeTool to create my own custum music fonts, and I would like to know if there is a way to transfer a font annotation from one font to another. Sometimes when a project requires special characters I create or transfer them into my custum music font, renaming it to something else not to create compatibility problems with old Finale files. Everytime I do this I have to start a new font annotation from scratch because I don't know of any way to transfer the original font annotation in the new font. It means I have to drag the four lines surrounding every symbol one at a time for each of the two hundreds and something symbols in the font, which is a PITA and a waste of time. If anybody has found a workaround for that, I would really like to know it so I could spend time engraving music instead of clicking and dragging lines around musical symbols. Thank you, Éric Dussault___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] G5-2004 vs G4-2002
2002 is a lot snappier than 2004 on a G5 1.8 GHz (single). Although some people find it acceptable, almost everything lag a little bit in the OS X version of Finale. Éric Le 23 août 2004, à 18:14, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account a écrit : Could any G5 owner suggest whether a G5 dual 1.8GHz running 2004 would be as fast as a G4 800Mhz running 2002 in OS9?___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin2005: 'Before Music' at Staff Systems
Thanks Jari for your quick reaction and for creating this plug-in. Do you have any plan to issue a Mac compatible version of the plug-in ? And I am not sure I understand the difference between what you plug-in does and the new measure-tool extra space at beginning of a measure/staff system option, except doing a whole document/batch in one go. Thanks. Éric Dussault Le 22 août 2004, à 19:30, Jari Williamsson a écrit : Hello! I've created a plug-in to access the 'hidden' Fin2005 feature where you can set the extra 'Before Music' option individually for each staff system (the initial release of Fin2005 supports this, but doesn't have a user interface for it). The plug-in can work selectively on just some staff systems of a file, or you can process all the systems in any number of opened files (in one go!) It should have no side-effects! The page for the download is here: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ There's also a little documentation here: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/systemstart2005.html Let me know if there are any problems. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED].edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] German Musical Term
I think it would be more like « published by » (herausgegeben) Éric Le 21 août 2004, à 08:50, dhbailey a écrit : What does herausgegaben von mean, then?___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
The new tuplets are way better even without Enhanced Tuplets. The feature shape--> bracket - with the option --> never bracket beamed notes - is a great time saver. Éric Le 21 août 2004, à 09:01, Owain Sutton a écrit : dhbailey wrote: Noel Stoutenburg wrote: [snip]> I have experienced something that bears on this matter, namely that MakeMusic! was wrong again this year on their intended shipping date. You may remember how last year, the product was announced at the end of July, anticipating shipping the middle of August, and only the Windows version shipped at the end of August. This year, the public product announcement was on August 16, with shipping anticipated on the 20th or so. This did not happen. My copy shipped on August 18, EARLIER than I was told the estimated ship date would be. Thus, when Aaron sent in his report about the bug to support, my copy of the software was already in transit. If Aaron discovered it on his first attempt to use the enhanced tuplets, in the demo that they are using to lure new customers, on a feature that is one of the major new enhancements they are touting, then either they knew about it well before letting the product go gold or they have a lousy beta-testing program that doesn't require beta-testers to actually try out new features. I find it hard to believe that NOBODY in the entire process, from developpers to alpha-testers to beta-testers never ever tried to move a note using enhanced tuplets or to begin a tuplet with a rest. Neither scenario, they knew about the enhanced tuplet bug and shipped anyway or none of their testing actually edited the enhanced tuplets, is a pleasant one. The tech-support reply that Aaron received, however, indicates that they knew about the bug. The reply didn't contain any Oh my goodness, we've never seen that before -- we'll start working on it right now to fix it in the patch. Instead it was more along the lines of we'll try to fix it by the time the patch will be released. Why not hold up the patch until the damn bug is fixed? If Sibelius were any better in any of these regards (fixing bugs quickly with interim patches, not containing annoying gotchas where the tech support says yeah, we know about those, they're on the long list of things to try to fix in a future upgrade) Finale would definitely get left behind. But they're just as bad at not fixing long-standing bugs that some users have been complaining about for a long time as well as introducing new bugs and saying we'll try to fix it in a future upgrade. So that rather than the two companies really goading each other into offering superior products to each other, instead they seem to be matching each other in corporate attitude. I'm one lost sale of 2005 because of this problem. Much of the music I deal with is 'tuplet-heavy'...the new tuplet function was the sole feature that would make the upgrade worth the money. Now it appears it wouldn't be. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED].edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
sorry but I don't see this option in 2004. Could you develop ? Éric Le 21 août 2004, à 09:59, dhbailey a écrit : But that's already in place at least for triplets -- in Fin2004 (and as far back as I can recall, although I don't think as far back as Fin3.5 when I started with Finale) when I enter triplet 8th notes they aren't bracketed while mixed triplets are bracketed.___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
OK. You probably meant the Auto bracket feature with brackets on. So I just learned something that I wasn't using. A great time saver that I was missing from previous versions. Thanks David, Éric Le 21 août 2004, à 10:06, Éric Dussault a écrit : sorry but I don't see this option in 2004. Could you develop ?___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Tuplet bug in Fin2005 demo
Well, auto bracket is indeed the setting that makes this work. I never work with MakeMusic Templates so mine wasn't set up to take advantage of this. Éric Le 21 août 2004, à 10:17, dhbailey a écrit : I have no clue where it is set, because it isn't there in the tuplet options, all I know is that when I enter triplet 8ths, beamed together (they come out that way in speedy entry) all I get is a number, but if I have mixed note values there is a bracket.___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
