Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic
Although I have not upgraded for several years, this news is nonetheless, of concern. The link describes major restructuring and a search for people to fill positions of software developer; a software QA engineer; and a product designer. So they got out a new version, with its inevitable bugs, fired everyone, and are trying to find people to replace them. That sounds pretty chaotic to me. What also caught my attention in the article was this: ...a key part of MakeMusic's marketing strategy for Finale 2014 is to tout that while others take music notation software development for granted, Finale is doubling down to provide you and your music a clear path to tomorrow. That is the most meaningless, tortuous, tangled-metaphor, marketing-speak sentence that I have seen in long, long time. There is not a single phrase in it that makes any sense at all. Doubling down? others take software development for granted? Is it supposed to be a great relief that Finale is there to give my music a clear path to tomorrow? It's laughable. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Nigel Hanley Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the hands- on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years. http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced-at- makemusic/ Nigel Hanley 0418 977 237 i...@nigelhanley.com nigel.han...@optusnet.com.au ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic
That's a good possibility. Just be sure I was not missing something I looked up double down. I think they liked the connotations of the word being something like bold and decisive but looked no further (like in a dictionary). The closest definition (OED) shows that the term double-down may inadvertently be close to the truth: to engage in risky behavior, especially when one is already in a dangerous situation. Richard Yates The author(s) must have studied at the federal government school of copywriting. Anne Erickson On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.comwrote: Although I have not upgraded for several years, this news is nonetheless, of concern. The link describes major restructuring and a search for people to fill positions of software developer; a software QA engineer; and a product designer. So they got out a new version, with its inevitable bugs, fired everyone, and are trying to find people to replace them. That sounds pretty chaotic to me. What also caught my attention in the article was this: ...a key part of MakeMusic's marketing strategy for Finale 2014 is to tout that while others take music notation software development for granted, Finale is doubling down to provide you and your music a clear path to tomorrow. That is the most meaningless, tortuous, tangled-metaphor, marketing-speak sentence that I have seen in long, long time. There is not a single phrase in it that makes any sense at all. Doubling down? others take software development for granted? Is it supposed to be a great relief that Finale is there to give my music a clear path to tomorrow? It's laughable. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Nigel Hanley Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:33 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Layoffs and reorganization announced at MakeMusic Justin Phillips is no longer with MM. He'll be missed. Thanks Justin for the hands- on help you've given the Finale list over the last few years. http://www.sibeliusblog.com/news/layoffs-and-reorganization-announced- at- makemusic/ Nigel Hanley 0418 977 237 i...@nigelhanley.com nigel.han...@optusnet.com.au ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] What will be the state of notation products by 2016?
If I had a dollar for every vaporware announcement that never saw the light of day, I would be a rich man. I would be happy to forward to the list, without charge, my unending, monthly, robot-generated, unsubscribable-from email announcements about Igor :-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback Weird Behavior Playing a Semitone Lower
Probably time to upgrade from that 1720 version of Finale (the 'Handel Edition') :- Hello, I'm in a muddle trying to find out how to avoid a peculiar, weird behavior Finale is adopting. I've got some staves playing back a semitone lower than how they should be performed and no transposition has been set on them. Quitting and reopening finale doesn't fix the problem. Any clues? Thank you Giovanni ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Hummingbird
Anyone seen this: http://www.hummingbirdnotation.com/ My first reaction is that, regardless of any merit, there is about zero chance of such an initiative succeeding, but to even attempt it is interesting. Shape-note, anyone? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-lpk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better one, if I can't get it to work. In the audio setup dialogue, I have input set to directsound - if I use ASIO, I don't get any output from the program at all. For mike source, I have it set to primary sound capture driver - the only option. When I come back into it, this field has usually set itself to blank. Is there some esoteric setting somewhere that I am missing? The user guide is not a lot of help on this subject. I tried a midi controller some years back, and returned it because my cakewalk would not recognise it. Oh, and it also had about 2 seconds of latency! Any advice welcome... Phil. Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman
Re: [Finale] MIDI woes
I use the Casio with a MIDI to USB cable. There is latency before I hear it through the computer so I turn that down and listen to the Casio directly while doing input. I also had some kind of Korg that was not amplified and could not tolerate the latency. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:32 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MIDI woes It sounded like Phil was likely not playing in in real time. I have had a USB Akai LPK25 for a couple of weeks, and the setup is instantaneous. I also have used an old Casio, with a midi-to-usb adapter, and that often would take jumping through hoops to get the computer or Finale to recognize. Are you able to use the Casio with a non-usb input of some sort? I thought midi input cards had gone out with Culture Club? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have also found the latency in USB controllers to be too difficult to get used to. I tried two controllers over the years on a couple different machines and operating systems. For me it does not take much latency to be really annoying and throw off efficiency of note entry. (I have never played the tuba either!). So, I continue to use an ancient Casio (I found the initials 'W.A.M.' scratched in the bottom by some vandal) that has its own small amp and speakers built in. Richard Yates Chuck Israels: I don't believe that latency is a built in problem with either Finale's MIDI communication pipeline or with most conventional MIDI controller keyboards, so I am inclined to think there is something amiss in the way the software is set up (though I don't pretend to know what that might be). It's been a long time since I have had similar difficulties, but in the past, a call to MM support has quickly solved the problem. Perhaps a 25 key keyboard will be sufficient for your needs. You may find it annoying to have to switch octaves, so that's something to consider before saving a little money on something that may prove less than ideal after more use. I use an M- Audio Keystation 61 - reliable and efficient, but even that runs out of range every now and then. Of course, space and portability may also be an issue. Chuck On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: I *think* that was what I tried before. The latency made it unusable. Maybe I didn't have it set up right, but there were no instructions with it - and I didn't have access to this fount of knowledge! I had a scan through amazon this morning, and have saved 4 or 5 different ones in my wish list. They are all under $100, and most are around the $60-70 mark. I just don't want to get one until I know how it is that the system should be set up to use it. Phil. At 12:18 PM 3/27/2013, you wrote: You sound like a perfect candidate for the Akai LPK25. $43 and change at Musicians Friend. If you have a Guitar Center in town they should match that price if you show them the site: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/akai-professional-l pk2 5-laptop-performance-keyboard?src=3WWRWXGP Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Phil Buglass bloke...@comcast.net wrote: Hi, I have one of those cheapo roll-up keyboards. I've had it for quite a while, but never tried it out. It's a bit too long, and droops off my desk, for one thing. I have been thinking of getting a small keyboard for inputting to Finale. I don't play piano, but I can play one line at a time. Anyway, before spending any more money, I decided to try out the rubber one. It works, or at least it plays by itself. Finale refuses to recognise it, though. Windows recognises it as a generic usb midi controller, but for some reason the signal isn't being taken by Finale. One thing is, the usb/midi cable I have has a fork with in and out midi connectors on it. The keyboard only has a single midi port. If I plug one end of the Y in, the led on the doodad flashes, but it flashes as input. I assume that it is talking about input into the keyboard, but I could be wrong. It has happened once or twice before! If I plug the other end in, I don't get either light flashing. In both cases, it is playing the notes itself, but the program isn't interested. Like I said, I don't really care if this one works or not, but I don't want to spend money on a better
Re: [Finale] OT: Playing all mp3s on a page
If you are asking this on the Finale list then you probably do not have the programming training to implement an answer. The only simple answer I know is to concatenate the mp3 files and play that one. Of course, the resulting file will be huge. More complicated would be using javascript to send an XMLHttpRequest() for the first file, then a SetTimeout() for the duration of that mp3 file then load another one. I am a beginner at javascript so there may be something misguided in this approach. In any event, you need a programmer. There might off-the-shelf code for this somewhere. See http://jplayer.org/ Out of curiosity I looked at the source code for an amazon.com page that pops up when you select 'play all' on an CD page. The source code is 8000 lines long! Richard Yates I'm going to have a web page with many mp3s. What do I create and embed that would be a link that if clicked would play all those mp3s without further action by the listener? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Playing all mp3s on a page
And then add this line to your html: a href=eventide-all.m3u type=audio/x-mpegurlPlay all files/a For example, the following text (saved as 'eventide-all.m3u') plays all 8 mp3 files of the movements of my piece Eventide: http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-1.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-2.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-3.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-4.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-5.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-6.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-7.mp3 http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/mp3/newcentury/eventide-8.mp3 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sibelius Core Team Now at Steinberg, Building New Notation Tool
Obviously, the notation product is a very long way off and there are no examples to show yet, but here's the first blog post by Daniel Spreadbury announcing the project: http://blog.steinberg.net/2013/02/welcome/ If Daniel is associated with the project, then I am optimistic (Now, if he could only get me off the Igor Noteheads mailing list, then he would be a true hero!) Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] switching between Finale and other app causes stuck MIDI note(s) in speedy
Funny that you're asking these questions in the Mac forum. ?? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layout bug
May be something about that multi-measure rest. An experiment to try would be to make it fewer measures and see if that changes things. Not that it would make a solution obvious but it may narrow down the problem. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dc Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:10 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Layout bug Le 30/11/2012 00:18, Darcy James Argue écrit : Hi Dennis, Are you sure you are not accidentally unlocking the systems? With the selection tool selected, the shortcut to unlock systems is U. If you are in the selection tool, and pressing the U key slightly before the ctrl key, you may be inadvertently triggering an unwanted system unlock. Thanks, Darcy, but no, this is not what's happening. I see all the locks on the page, and when I hit Ctrl+U, one of the locks only disappears, and that unlocked system only has two measures left. With the selection tool active, my part temporarily looks like this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15830163/2012-11-30_090258.jpg Then, after very carefully hitting Ctrl+U: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15830163/2012-11-30_090208.jpg With one system on the next page. I'm open to any suggestions. I suppose someone will say at some stage that my file is corrupted - which is quite obvious, but not very helpful, unless there's a way to uncorrupt a file. Thanks, Dennis Cheers, - DJA - WEB:http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:04 PM, dcden...@free.fr wrote: I think this is the first time this has ever happened to me! Finale 2008. I just finished a piece with two linked violin parts (and a continuo part). The V1 part is on one page with 7 staves only. Once it was layed out correctly, I locked all the systems. And then hit Ctrl U to update the layout. This UNLOCK one of the staves, leaves only two bars on that stave, and adds an extra system on the next page. I tried several times, with the same result. The V2 part does exactly the same thing when I lock all the staves and update the layout. The solution would be to not update the layout. But even then, when I switch from the part view to the score view and back to the part view, the layout has been messed up, despite the system locks. I did a file maintenance, and Finale found nothing wrong. Any ideas on what's going on? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Including slash in a part name
There is a character typed on a Mac with opt-sh-1 ⁄ (there's one) that is actually a fraction slash, which gets written into part names. Only the slash under the question mark / (there's one) called a solidus I think, causes problems in PDFs. So use the fraction slash (opt-sh-1) in your part names and all will be fine. I don't know the Windows version of this character. Perhaps someone can help out? unicode 2215: ∕ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results
Plus the keyboard remapping in TGTools. I've had all the function keys programmed with TGTools for so long I had to double-check to make sure I was doing it that way. Seems a normal part of the program for me now. huh? you mean like metatools? i.e. 35+ slots for user-defined shortcuts in each of the measure, staff style, articulation, tuplet and expression tools? and even smart shapes? One great benefit of Sibelius, which I hope Finale will someday institute natively, not requiring a plug-in, is the ability of a user to define their own keyboard shortcuts, so the entire interface practically can be turned into keyboard shortcuts. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2nd Quarter 2012 results
Refresh my memory -- metatools are key combinations that work from any tool in the program? Or do you have to be in the tool for which the metatool was programmed? So if I define a metatool for the Measure tool and then try to use it while the Staff tool is active, will it work as I defined it to work in the Measure tool? So if I define ctrl-k to change a barline to a double bar, it will always do that no matter what tool I'm in? And they are definable from one single interface in the preferences dialog? They are attached to specific tools. Finale's metatools are quite different from Sibelius's keyboard shortcuts, and people who want such convenience in Finale end up have to use additional software to do anything like what Sibelius's shortcuts can do. TGTools does keyboard mapping. It matters not at all to me that it is additional software. And how about for calling menu functions? Are those user-definable shortcuts in Finale? I don't seem to remember us being able to change those. Again, TGTools. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b
I could not work without TGTools. And, the uncertainty that I read here about its functioning in later Finale versions is a big factor in why I have not upgraded for a while. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Sherber Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 12:43 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS in 2012b For the benefit of the MM employees on this list, I have to say that I completely agree. TGTools is an absolutely essential part of my workflow, in ways large and small. Aaron. On 7/4/2012 2:35 PM, Henry Howey wrote: I'm noticing that several of the tools are now inoperable. MakeMusic MUST acquire and maintain TGTOOLS. I'm sure Garritan and MusicXML were not cheap. TGTOOLS would be much less. Henry Howey Sent from my iWhatever ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] suggestions sought
How much do you need? http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-DataTraveler-DTR500-128GB/dp/B004X3XI R2 -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Dannewitz Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:17 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] suggestions sought Flash drives are way fast enough for recording, they just don't have a lot of space Sent from my iSomething -- On Apr 22, 2012, at 3:55 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: A separate partition on the same drive won't help you, as the mechanism is the same. You need a separate PHYSICAL drive on a different bus, and I understand that you need certain minimum rotation speeds and search speeds. I may be wrong here, but I think flash drives are not quick enough for audio recording. Please verify this by looking up the specs on the software website; they are very good at providing this information usually. Christopher On Sun Apr 22, at SundayApr 22 6:48 PM, Nick Raspa wrote: So the OS is on my computer hard drive and the imputed data is going to a separate drive that doesn't impact the main computer (such as in flash drive) similar to hard drive partition except that the second drive (partition) is external? Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises On Apr 22, 2012, at 04:39 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote: Not really hard drive space. More throughput. Recording to a different drive to the one running the OS. Steve P. On 22 Apr 2012, at 22:06, Nick Raspa nj...@me.com wrote: hard drive space is more the concern. Is my understanding correct? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?
So I now need to echo both Frank and George. Unless you are in position to monitor the mechanics of the list, there's simply no way to know how many soldiers there are in the great lurker army. I bet there are a lot of us. David Lawrence The list's web page at Sam Houston State Univ says it includes 389 Non-digested Members of Finale and 401 Digested Members of Finale. I lurk mostly since I am still using Finale 2007 and waiting for the perfect upgrade, but I find the list valuable and interesting. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Multi-button input device
For myself, I cannot think of an efficient use of that many shortcuts. Anyway, TGTools lets me program all the special keys I need - all the function keys (in combinations with shift, ctrl, alt) plus a few others. f2-f5 are layers, Speedy is f7, Articulations are f9, ties are the / on the keypad, etc. Looks fairly straightforward to me, but maybe there's something I'm not thinking about, like perhaps something that Finale wold have to enable but doesn't. My main desire would be stuff like press, say, 36 and Speedy tool is selected, etc. Also, has anyone had any success using Dragon Dictate to control various elements of Finale? Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator
I print to the Adobe pdf driver, open the pdf file in Acrobat Professional, and 'save as...' eps. These files open in illustrator and individual elements can be edited. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of David Froom Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:12 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator Dear collective wisdom, Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are editable in Illustrator? I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible. (EPS? compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this. He is a double major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills. If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another way (with different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please let me know. Thank you, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale and Illustrator
Going directly from Finale to eps from the graphics window can leave fonts behind, depending on your Finale version, settings, OS, and the phase of the moon. Print-to-pdf then converting to eps is, from what I have experienced and read here, more reliable. But, whatever works... What Richard says is true, but you can also export the Finale file as EPS via the Graphics Menu. This will open in Illustrator and everything is editable. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:11 AM, David Froom wrote: Dear collective wisdom, Does anyone export Finale in such a way that individual elements are editable in Illustrator? I seem to remember someone telling me that this is possible. (EPS? compiling PS?) I have a student who is interested in doing this. He is a double major (Art) and has good Illustrator skills. If anyone could point me in the right direction -- or suggest another way (with different graphics programs) to accomplish this in some form, please let me know. Thank you, David Froom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mixdown
First of all, they are working off a copy of an existing orchestra recording, for the most part. That means that questions of timbre, volume, balance, phrasing, etc., can be tweaked according to the highest professional standards (maybe they don't ATTAIN those standards, but they have the standard in their ear as they work Yes, and even better than having it 'in your ear,' you can layout the existing recording side-by-side with the Finale MIDI in a program like SONAR and then massage the MIDI beats to exactly line up with the recording. For rubatic chamber music that goes a long way to making a convincing MIDI. I did that for Editions Orphee who put out a flute-viola-guitar version of a Debussy flute-viola-harp piece. I am by no means a pro at that and this was a one-time project, but I was pleased with the results. Here are links to the final mp3s - all from Finale MIDI and soundfonts: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/01-Pastorale-V-G-F.mp3 http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/02-Interlude-V-G-F.mp3 http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/03-Final-V-G-F.mp3 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
so i think your solution is the best i have come across, but it just seems stupid that FIN-PDF-EPS-MS gets higher quality and better functionality than FIN-EPS-MS. You are right, of course, but for years nothing at all worked so I am still thrilled there is a way! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word
I always print to Adobe pdf printer driver (include fonts), open in Acrobat, crop, save as EPS, import into Word. It shows as rough tif preview graphic on screen but prints fine. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 7:26 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word exporting EPS from finale i can view them correctly in graphics programmes but then when using them in word they appear as full black images. tif (1200 ppi) functions fine. i saved the same word file as PS, opened in distiller (set to convert to 1200 ppi) and the resulting PDF is only 150 ppi...? anyone know why this might happen? trying to get a PDF of the score and covers/notes ready for publisher... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Deauthorize via Customer Support
I think it was a joke, Darcy. Hi Brian, MM has a database with the name and contact information of each registered owner and their associated serial. Cheers, DJA On 9 Aug 2011, at 7:13 PM, Brian Williams wrote: Maybe MM is just trying to make sure that unscrupulous people who have surreptitiously obtained serial numbers aren't trying to illegitimately deauthorize them. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2 and eps export
Producing eps has been intermittently problematic for decades. What I was doing worked until System 7. I now get best results by first printing as pdf (embedding system fonts) then opening that pdf in Acrobat, cropping there if necessary, and then saving as eps. That works for me (for now). Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Pierre Bailleul Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:03 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2 and eps export Hi all, When I export in eps a default document [Win7(64), Finale 2011b.r2] there is something wrong with the default fonts. The eps file is openned with illustrator : - Score, Title, Composer, Measure numbers (Times NR) ok. - Clefs, Staves, Measure bars, Time signature (Maestro) ok. - Beams, ok. - Noteheads and rests (Myriad pro) wrong? Also, same results when I change the maestro default music font to engraver font? Thanks for your aid. Pierre ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] [OT] plural of rubato = rubati?
And the Liberty bell is in Fluffya, Pennsylvania. Of course, the natives pronounced Rochester in two syllables, Rah-tchtah. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Gerhard Torges Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:17 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps Hello Richard! Am 01.03.2011 um 00:46 schrieb Richard Yates: As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire generation be lost? Not if it's taken care of. This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of machines of any kind. Paper. Write down your works on paper, an they'll last. Gerhard Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced sufficiently to import it. This could take a while. :-) BTW: Are you related to guitarist Stanley Yates? Regards, Gerhard Not that we know of. My 'Yates' ancestor came over from England in 1876. I think Stanley was born there. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OS X 10.7 Lion drops support for Rosetta (PPC) apps
As I struggle with updating the archives of the Vermont Composers (as well as my own work), I wonder: Who will do this? Will the work of an entire generation be lost? Not if it's taken care of. This is, transferring it into a format which can be read independent of machines of any kind. Paper. Write down your works on paper, an they'll last. Gerhard Yes and, before long, music scanning software will have advanced sufficiently to import it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). I have used it in collections of individual pieces, many with two pages, so that page turns are avoided. Richard Yates John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
Is that a measure-attached expression or a text block? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Parker Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations 'This page would have been left blank if it could have been without generating complaints of missing music' On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Richard Yates wrote: Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Eps page export / resize staff
I think the suggestion (and the way I do it with FinWin2007) is to print a page as pdf then open that in Acrobat, crop as I want, and save as eps with fonts. Those eps files seem to be working fine across applications and platforms. Richard Yates Printing finale page file with adobe pdf is working well, but I'd like to work on eps file (with all the fonts) in illustrator. Pierre Did you try doing this via a PDF, as suggested? What happens in that case? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: historical analogy
No Finale content here (except that I am writing an article that includes a score and examples done in Finale). Thomas Crecquillon wrote Ung Gay Bergier (A Happy Shepherd?) in the first half of the 16th century. It became one of the greatest hits of the next few decades inspiring nearly three dozen known versions for keyboard and lute. For instance, Simone Molinaro published an elaborated intabulation for lute more than 50 years later. By analogy, in the 21st century, what is today's equivalent of Ung Gay Bergier, i.e. a piece of music decades old that is a favorite for recasting in new arrangements? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Installation woes
I had to uninstall and reinstall again, but I've now managed to get Finale 2008a back. But I'm back where I started, because when I copy my plug-ins (backed up from the previous installation), the error message on launching Finale comes back. The only new plug-ins I tried recently are Jari's. So I erased all of them. No help. I then deleted all the plug-ins I remember adding (RP, TGTools, etc.). Still no help. But when I delete all the plug-ins in the folder, the error message dissapears. So, unless someone has tips to offer as to which could be the culprit, I'll have to delete them one by one, restart Finale, and see... It's a small point, but might save some time. You don't have to do them one at a time. Use a binary search. Try half of them, then half of those (or the other half), etc. You will narrow it down faster. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} RE: [Finale] Installation woes
1) The Finale 2008a updated won't run, and claims Finale isn't installed on my machine. 2) My authorization gets lost each time I quit Finale, so I have to reauthorize. Are you logged in as admin during installation? Anti-virus turned OFF during installation? Even if you are logged on in an administrator account, you may have to right-click on the installer or the Finale exe file and select Run as administrator. I couldn't get rid of PhotoShop's legal verbiage until I did that. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Boxes around text
Unless it's changed since Finale2007: Text Tool, create some text. Text menu, Standard Frame, type in the line thickness that you want. (Years ago I did a whole book of text and music using only Finale 1998!) Richard Yates What is the sensible method for putting text on a page with a box round it? I've scoured the manual.. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] music spacing
Is it 100% correct that it [Update Layout] only changes measure widths? If incorporate manual positioning is checked, then tweaks to spacing inside a measure are preserved proportionately when Update Layout changes measure widths. Is it possible to lock measure widths? Not that I know of. You can lock the number of measures in a system. Ok. So if I enter music and fine tune it on pages 1-20, I can then enter music on page 21 onwards, have access to automatic music spacing (or is it just manual spacing?), Automatic music spacing does nothing to tweaks inside other measures. and update layout as long as I only update from 21 onwards OR as long as I only update after switching off Auto Music Spacing? No. Update Layout affects only the width and number of measures in systems. It has no effect on relative spacing adjustments inside a measure (regardless of what is checked in manual positioning or Automatic Music Spacing.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] music spacing
You can still use automatic music spacing (for instance in Speedy Entry or adding articulations) on later measures without it affecting earlier spacing UNTIL you do an Update Layout for the whole document. If 'incorporate' manual positioning is checked, the only spacing that will be interfered with is manual changes to measure widths. Always do those last. Also, Update Layout only affects your current and later pages. Earlier pages are not affected. Richard Yates Thanks for reply - this clarifies it. Is it correct then that if I write half a score and move elements around that I then have no access to automatic music spacing for the rest of the score unless I'm prepared to have it interfere with what I've already done? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} RE: [Finale] blank boxes
I used Finale decades (just about) ago. Then used Igor Engraver pretty much from the beginning and as a beta tester. Hi Steve. Welcome to Finale. Any chance that you have a secret Noteheads code or address that can persuade them to stop sending me monthly emails? I sometimes imagine a time thousands of years from now when civilization and technology have crumbled except for this one email server faithfully sending out its monthly notices. Kind if like Wall-E, but not as cute. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} RE: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 89, Issue 20
Is there a way to specify how many systems per page? I have three staves per system. Trying to get 5 systems per page like I see in my Handel Messiah copy: Page Layout Tool -- Space Systems Evenly -- Place _ systems on each page ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
{Spam} RE: [Finale] pickup bug?(II)
It happens in FinWin2007 for all such pickup measures (dotted eighth-sixteenth in quarter pickup, etc). Hmmm... Can anyone on the list reproduce this, or is it just me? *FinMac 2011*. Speedy entry. Eighth note pickup measure has the dotted rhythm: dotted 16th-32nd. When I dot the 16th, the cursor jumps to the next measure! Not a _major_ problem, as I _can_ put the cursor back in the pickup measure and complete it correctly, but with a lot of such pickup measure it gets tedious. (Small) bug? Eric ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] More questions
Probably nothing wrong. Added measures do not inherit the system reduction (or is it the staff reduction?) of the existing ones. It's bugged me for years. Richard Yates I opened one of my templates from 2010 in 2011. When I add measures to this document the staves on the second page are a different size! They are maybe 25% smaller. What did I do wrong now? I presume the template is corrupted, but maybe it's something else. Mike G. www.mikegreensill.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT: Converting to PDF on a PC
I like Bullzip a lot. http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Ryan Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:04 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] OT: Converting to PDF on a PC What's the best way to create a PDF file on a PC? Trying to help a friend, but I'm a Mac user. Looks like he'll have to get a 3rd party program but I'm hoping someone can recommend a good share- or freeware option. Thanks! Ryan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] best-selling, most advanced notation software...?!
Hard to tell from their website, but it looks about as sophisticated in terms of entry as Music Construction Set for the Commodore 64. The cutting edge in its time! Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2011 now available for pre-order
I agree (although I recognize that some features may excite others). Having the program put the right rests in a pickup measure might save me one minute a year. For $119? I think not. Richard Yates Wow, talk about lackluster. FYI, we're now taking pre-orders for Finale 2011. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
MassMover, Select all, 'L', locks the layout. Does that prevent the kludge undo? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Mark D Lew Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:51 PM To: Finale-List 3 Subject: [Finale] print forces update layout?? I have a piece that includes a kludge which requires me to NOT update layout. Everything seems fine until I print and then it updates layout anyway and undoes my kludge. Is there a setting somewhere that's doing this? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] print forces update layout??
This method does not provide the right amount of space for the parenthesis after the 3/1 for the courtesy time signature at the end of a system. I've been too lazy to track all of these suggestions and I also wallow in the obsolete depths of Finale2007, but... What about a custom articulation attached to the last note of the measure in which you need space at the end of the bar? If avoiding collisions of articulations is checked, it always puts the articulation inside the right barline. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] What is the name of this piece?
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:49 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] What is the name of this piece? Richard Yates wrote: The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas Caracteristicas looks like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this being a symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!). I don't know, but since Miguez seems to have been Brazilian, and since I subscribe to an email list devoted to Latin American Music, I took the liberty of cross-posting the message there. ns Thanks! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] What is the name of this piece?
The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas Caracteristicas looks like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this being a symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!). Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] What is the name of this piece?
Well, that's a clue (and maybe where I remember it). Anyone else got any ideas? G'day Richard Schumann has a piece with the same title in his Album For the Young. David McKay On 1 May 2010 13:20, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: The contents page of Leopoldo Miguez's 12 Pecas Caracteristicas looks like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MiguezTOC.jpg What is the title of piece #8? I seem to very vaguely recall this being a symbol for something (but my brain may be making that up!). Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Make tab from Notation
Add a tab staff with the Staff Tool. Select All with Mass Mover. Drag everything to the tab staff. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of George Ports Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:01 AM To: Finale Forum Subject: [Finale] Make tab from Notation Have been able to make tab from notation for a lot of years. All of a sudden, I can't make it work! Am sure I must have hit some key or unchecked something to cause this. Can anyboby help me with this? Am using WinFin 2006. Thanks, George Ports ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Martin Banner Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:21 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file I am writing an editorial preface for one of my editions and want to put a natural sign in a paragraph. When I use maestro font and n, I get the natural sign, but it appears lower than the rest of the text. I have tried increasing the size of the font(no good, still too low), as well as using superscript (too high above the rest of the text). Any suggestions? Thanks, Martin Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersear ch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] placing a natural sign in microsoft word file
In Word I went to Insert-- symbol and found it. That slot says that Alt+0206 also places that character but when I do that a slightly different natural sign is inserted. I don't know why that is. In Word, Font-- Character Spacing can adjust up or down, also. And what character(s) should I type in to get the natural sign? On Mar 22, 2010, at 3:36 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Use MaestroTimes, not Maestro. Martin Banner mban...@hvc.rr.com http://www.alliancemusic.com/peopledetails.cfm?iPeopleID=22 http://hinshawmusic.com/search_results.php?keyword=bannersear ch=Search http://collavoce.com/search.php?cmd=searchmode=normalwords=Banner http://carlfischer.com/Fischer/search.cfm?cfT=cfC=BannercfID= http://lorenz.com/results.aspx?srch=quickcid=Martin+Banner ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] OT Time Signatures in MS Word documents
I just tried it in Word and it come out like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MusicMeter.pdf Use the settings in Format...Font. The 3 is superscript and larger than normal type, the 4 is subscript and larger than normal. Set character spacing to condensed and by [the altered font size]. For other signatures you could just copy this pair and change the numbers. In a paragraph you may also have to alter the line spacing of that line. I can't guarantee anything, but it looks like it works. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Lawlor Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:55 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] OT Time Signatures in MS Word documents Does anyone have any suggestions on methods for typing/inserting time signatures in WORD documents, ideally so that the numbers are vertically in line? Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Sibelius features?
Thank you Andrew. These have been possible in Sibelius since version 4 or possibly even earlier. The fingering text style is already set up for this behaviour almost - you just need to redefine the default horizontal distance from the notehead (in the Default positions dialogue box). For the second, simply select the erase background option in the fingering text style. On 3 March 2010 16:07, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: Every couple of versions or so I check to see if two essential features of Finale have been implemented in Sibelius. I asked about these on the Sibelius forum and got a response saying that they were, but I wanted to double-check here where there are so many power users familiar with both programs. Here are the features: 1. I prefer LH fingering numbers (guitar) a precise distance to the left of the notehead, but with flexibility for the vertical placement. In Finale I can hold down a key and click a notehead, and the fingering number is placed at the vertical position of the click and the preset distance from the notehead (regardless of where I click on the notehead horizontally). 2. I like LH fingering numbers in which there is a small amount of the staff line whited out. Does anyone know if Sibelius can do these? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Playback Bugs
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Israels Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:07 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback Bugs On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Michael Lawlor wrote: P.S. Another problem I forgot to mention that has affected other files as well as this one: on some occasions, whenever I click anywhere with the mouse, no matter what tool is selected, Finale always starts playback. I can either wait for it to finish, or force it to close using the Windows task manager. I get unstoppable playback only when I use 'Space-click' to start the playback, but never when I use the playback controls. Also, playback somehow disables the 'close' X at the top-right of the Finale window and I have to exit using the File menu instead. Go figure. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Layout misbehavior
Found it! (in the Page Layout-Menu, naturally) And there was indeed a page break between the systems, which I have now dissolved. But how did it get there in the first place??? Sibelius hackers. Thanks for the tip! Thanks for the chance to show that my memory has not completely deteriorated! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Sibelius features?
Every couple of versions or so I check to see if two essential features of Finale have been implemented in Sibelius. I asked about these on the Sibelius forum and got a response saying that they were, but I wanted to double-check here where there are so many power users familiar with both programs. Here are the features: 1. I prefer LH fingering numbers (guitar) a precise distance to the left of the notehead, but with flexibility for the vertical placement. In Finale I can hold down a key and click a notehead, and the fingering number is placed at the vertical position of the click and the preset distance from the notehead (regardless of where I click on the notehead horizontally). 2. I like LH fingering numbers in which there is a small amount of the staff line whited out. Does anyone know if Sibelius can do these? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line
I get Pagina niet gevonden - 404 Can you post the whole URL? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:20 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line Hello wisdom, I have an old file, created in 1996, FinWin 3.06r2, which I'm updating. At the bottom of the first page, there is a strange dashed line I can't get rid of. Also, I can't find out (or remember) with which tool it was created. It's here: home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/finale/bvb.mus. Any help is greatly appreciated! (F.y.i.: a viola ingrandita is a viola with a fifth string, there's only one instrument, in Amsterdam.) Thanks! Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line
I got the file but it is in a later version than my 2007. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 9:20 AM To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Help with strange dashed line Hello wisdom, I have an old file, created in 1996, FinWin 3.06r2, which I'm updating. At the bottom of the first page, there is a strange dashed line I can't get rid of. Also, I can't find out (or remember) with which tool it was created. It's here: home.wanadoo.nl/btouburg/finale/bvb.mus. Any help is greatly appreciated! (F.y.i.: a viola ingrandita is a viola with a fifth string, there's only one instrument, in Amsterdam.) Thanks! Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] beaming problem
Is your 12/8 not set up in the Time Signature dialog box as 4 dotted quarters? Also, your jpg link is broken. Richard Yates Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] stem direction question
I frequently run into this situation in guitar music. I have never found a rule for the stem direction of the middle stems and so always point the stems to best minimize confusion caused by wrongly reading the notes of two voices with stems in the same direction as one voice (and not adding up correctly, of course). I think it is often better if the top line is the only one with up stems, but there are exceptions. Richard's idea of changing the middle voice half notes to two tied quarters is a practical solution that completely avoids ambiguity. And, yes, the alignment of the rests in your example (both horizontally and vertically) does not look right to me. No reason for the first in each measure not to be higher. Richard Yates Say you have three voices on one staff, as in the first bars (left hand), of the Goldbergs (see link to scan below). Assuming the upper voice has all its stems upwards, the lower voice all stems downwards, what is the rule for the middle part? www.collins.lautre.net/files/goldberg.jpg (By the way, shouldn't the rests in these bars be horizontally aligned?) Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics)
They are all here: http://themes.mididb.com/anthems/ with no lyrics. These versions are fully harmonized but the timing is clean and the melodies are on separate staffs so it's easy to copy them out. MIDIs and lyrics are here: http://www.nationalanthems.info/ but the MIDI files need a little tweaking (set the key correctly, etc.) -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Yates Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 8:07 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] national anthem scores (melody+lyrics) Are there any specific ones you want? I was booked to play a few anthems at a ceremony last year and had to arrange everything for brass trio (trpt, horn; trombone) Cheers, Lawrence 2010/1/22 SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com i came across this source... euh, this one: http://www.nationalanthems.info ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] grace notes and reduction Fin2007
My opinion is that it should be under the grace note, since to me, that's part of the ensuing phrase. But attach it to the main note so as not to have it reduced to 75%. At least on FinMac 2K7. J D Thomas I have a set of articulations for string numbers made in the shape designer using a circle and a number. When attaching one to a grace note, the number in the circle is reduced to the percent of the note, but the circle stays the original size. Bo! Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] grace notes and reduction Fin2007
Thanks for the link. It comes up infrequently enough that it's not worth changing fonts. Does the same thing happen in later versions than 2007? Use the CombiNumerals font: http://www.fontspace.com/the-fontsite/combinumerals Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://secretsociety.typepad.com On 18 Jan 2010, at 3:07 PM, Richard Yates wrote: My opinion is that it should be under the grace note, since to me, that's part of the ensuing phrase. But attach it to the main note so as not to have it reduced to 75%. At least on FinMac 2K7. J D Thomas I have a set of articulations for string numbers made in the shape designer using a circle and a number. When attaching one to a grace note, the number in the circle is reduced to the percent of the note, but the circle stays the original size. Bo! Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] importing pdf as graphic
Acrobat Reader 9 has this Print Dialog box: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/AcroReader-print.jpg -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Stiller Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:05 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] importing pdf as graphic On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:08 PM, George Brooke wrote: Are your pdf pages in separate files or all in one big file? If they are all in one file with pages in the correct order (page 1, page 2, page 3, etc) then Acrobat Reader can print a booklet. It is an option in the Page Scaling drop down. Page Scaling dropdown? Where? I don't see it. --Andrew Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ Ignorance is infinite. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent
Probably because some people would think the feature was broken otherwise (when zooming out and the items doesn't seem to move visually at a keyboard nudge). And going the other direction, too. If you are in wide view, nudge something and it goes too far, the intuitive thing to do (for my intuition at least!) would be to nudge it back, then zoom in and nudge it again. If it nudged the same distance in the score I would be complaining about it. I have also wanted nudge to be score-measurement related in the past, an option on how it should behave here would be nice. Yes, the option would be good. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent
It seems the most logical to me (genuinely a feature, not a bug). If you are in a highly magnified view, presumably you want to make very small adjustments; if you are in a wider view you want larger ones. Also, it means that you can quickly change how far nudging nudges by switching view percentage - far easier than changing the setting for number of pixels nudged in program Options. Richard Yates yeah, well, i know... but somehow... i was hoping against the odds that i had misunderstood something. is there a valid reason for items to nudge according to the screen pixels and not in relation to the music they are associated with? is this because the setting is related to the screen pixel and not the score itself? Yes, nudging has always been based on screen pixels. At the Program Options/Edit page it even says Arrow Keys Nudge Items By ___ Pixel(s). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] nudge different according to view percent
And going the other direction, too. If you are in wide view, nudge something and it goes too far, the intuitive thing to do (for my intuition at least!) would be to nudge it back, then zoom in and nudge it again. If it nudged the same distance in the score I would be complaining about it. REALLY!? you mean when you are dealing with the look of the score you think it is better to change view percentages? Better than what? in my view, it is best to do as much as possible at the same view so that what you see is on the same scale as much as possible. this ensures a much greater consistency. and you can work quicker, not having to zoom in and out and drag teh page as often. then for the few cases where you need a more fine view, you zoom in. Well, that's just what I was saying, when you need a more fine view you zoom in. And when you do zoom in you want finer control of movement. in my experience, the types of collisions that you need to move things for are very often on a similar scale (distance between items on score, not screen), therefore it seems to em to make sense that the default be to move by score distances. To quote you: REALLY!? The nudge of a fingering number in front of a notehead is very small since I autoplace them with a metatool. Moving an expression is often much larger. Moving a barline might be another distance entirely. Jari's suggestion that this be an option seems best for the variety of methods. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Defining Staff Styles
In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could highlight a section with Staff Tool and use that as the basis for a staff style instead of having to define it from scratch in the Define Staff Styles box. Did I hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles
Thanks, David. I must have dreamed it. What about duplicating existing staff styles for modifying and saving with a different name? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 7:50 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles Richard Yates wrote: In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could highlight a section with Staff Tool and use that as the basis for a staff style instead of having to define it from scratch in the Define Staff Styles box. Did I hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale As far as I know, yes -- I've always had to define my own staff styles, never been able to simply highlight a few measures and click some magic create staff style from these measures. If there is such a capability, I haven't heard about it. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles
In Fin2007 there are just 'New' and 'Delete' options. Seems like 'Duplicate' would be an obvious and easy feature. Oh well. I believe you can do that from within the staff styles dialog -- isn't there a Duplicate button like there is in the Expressions dialog? David Richard Yates wrote: Thanks, David. I must have dreamed it. What about duplicating existing staff styles for modifying and saving with a different name? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 7:50 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Defining Staff Styles Richard Yates wrote: In my limited experience with Staff Styles, I thought you could highlight a section with Staff Tool and use that as the basis for a staff style instead of having to define it from scratch in the Define Staff Styles box. Did I hallucinate this? FinWin2007 Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale As far as I know, yes -- I've always had to define my own staff styles, never been able to simply highlight a few measures and click some magic create staff style from these measures. If there is such a capability, I haven't heard about it. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Unwanted tie end
I have a one measure second ending at the end of a system. The one note in the measure is the end of a tied note. I need a tie that ends on that note but starts in empty space. I made a tie and pulled it backwards, but there is now a loose tie end at the start of the next system. How can I get rid of this? I made it real small and hid it on top of a nearby notehead but this seems rather inelegant (and hazardous if respacing is done). Is there another way? FinWin2007. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Thanks. Did you use 2007? I tried the file and could change measures no problem. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Richard Yates rich...@yatesguitar.com wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Time Signature - Stumped - FinWin2007
Richard Yates wrote: I have a file in which I cannot change the time signatures of any measures. The Time Signature Dialog Box seems to work normally but the measures do not change when I exit the box. Nothing in the box seems to have any effect (different time display, rebar, etc). The file was concatenated from several other files that all seem to work normally, but even fragments of it show the same problem. Any ideas what is going wrong? A file is at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/MGB-Selected-timebug.MUS Richard Yates This might be a strange solution, but when you turn on Independent Time Signatures, you can change the time signature. As soon as you turn independent time signatures off, they return to 3/8 though. I have no idea what's going on. Barbara Barbara, You are a genius and the winner of whatever prize you wish! I don't know exactly why that works, but it does. The original file had three staves, the first one in gamba tablature, which is now deleted. It seems that, somehow, the ghost of that deleted (master?) staff (which you cannot change) is still hooked to the remaining staff. Checking Independent Time Signature unhooks it. A similar thing happens with key signature. My file has Independent Key Signature checked. Unchecking that reverts the key of the original staff even though that has long been deleted. (Now I will wait to see how long it takes MakeMusic Tech to solve it!) Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-)
-Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] MakeMusic - The end of;-) On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 7:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Oct 2009 at 13:43, Christopher Smith wrote: On Thu Oct 22, at ThursdayOct 22 8:20 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: 3. you can bet that there is only very seldom a bug discovered by end users that is not already known by the Finale developers. Wow. I must be really, really lucky (or unlucky), or the developers don't tell the tech support people what they know, because easily 2/3 of the issues I report are previously unknown to tech support. Er, tech support != developers. Then how come I keep getting responses back from tech support that such-and-such a question will be passed on to the developers? Whenever I hear that it sounds like a catch phrase to mollify me. It does not necessarily mean that happens or anything about MM's organization. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Interesting behavior
[mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of John Howell From what I have seen, string instruments are more comfortable playing in sharps. True (although not responsive to the question), but for two very specific reasons. 1. There are more open strings available in sharp keys. You start losing open strings with the 2nd flat, but not until the 3rd sharp. Nice observation. Hadn't thought of it that way. Even more true for guitar, on which you lose an open string with the first flat and every one after that down to c flat (Yah! It's an open string!). Also, on a string instrument, you can always sharp a note by going up on the same string while flatting often requires moving to a different string. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [SPAM] Re: [Finale] Interesting behavior
Carl Dershem wrote: I'm working on a big band piece that has a section in 7 flats (C-Flat) in the middle. Oddly enough, the guitar and bass parts are in 5 sharps (B). FinWin2k4 Does anyone have any idea why Finale might do that? And if so, why the guitar and bass, but not the piano? And not the trombones? Very interesting. cd Maybe the programmers thought that guitarists and bassists can't actually read the music so it won't matter? :-) If they thought this, they were half right. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] notating a composer's dates
(I would, however, use a plain hyphen rather than putting a space on either side; I think an 'en dash' is the most often prescribed separator between dates. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Hiding rests
Document options - layers - adjust floating rests by ... -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of noel jones Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:43 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Hiding rests What numbers are set to get rid of the offset so that if you have quarter rests on the same beat in different layers, they appear centered on the staff on top of each otherand where do you change the number at? Noel Jones, AAGO 423 887-7594 noeljo...@usit.net www.thecatholichymnal.com Friends, life is short and we do not have much time to gladden the hearts of those who travel with us; so be swift to love and make haste to be kind. On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 12, 2009, at 12:12 AM, terry cano wrote: How can you select several or all rest? Is there a Mass edit or macro? Doing each one seperate can be time consumimg Terry Sorry, but manual only (unless you also want to hide the notes.) In Speedy, using the right and left arrow for navigation goes very fast, faster than clicking each one individually. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Fix horizontal note adjustments
Go to Document options - music spacing - manual positioning - clear. Then select all music and respace. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lee Dengler Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 1:03 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Fix horizontal note adjustments Hi All, I frequently receive scores to engrave in which the composer has made manual horizontal adjustments to the note position. It is not clear to me why these adjustments are made. The adjustments are usually very small and it is very easy to miss one. Is there a way to universally change all notes back to their default positions? There is a plug-in that allows you to clear manual positioning of rests. I am looking for something similar for notes. Thanks to anyone who can help. Lee Dengler Minister of Music, College Mennonite Church Composer Engraver, Editor leedeng...@comcast.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] More problems staff styles....no names
I don't know if 'Compile PostScript listing' ever worked. Get an app like PrintToPDF ( http://www.jwwalker.com/pages/pdf.html ). -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Aaron Sherber Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:38 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] More problems staff stylesno names On 8/26/2009 2:41 AM, terry cano wrote: I was able to get a part to extract but the Inst name doesn't appear on the extracted part...it is in the Staff (Full and Abrv) on the score In 2008, the instrument name doesn't get automatically copied from the staff when you extract a part. You need to put a text insert in your score containing the Score/Part Name, and set it to show in the parts but be hidden in the score. (I think this is done for you automatically if you create a new score from a 2008 template.) This has to do with linked parts. An extracted part in 2008 is nothing more than a saved copy of the linked part. And if you think about it, a linked part can't automatically insert anything -- it has to be something that you put there. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Efficient note entry????
Thanks, Darcy. That helps with part of it. It's the alignment of the sixteenths in the melody that is the biggest obstacle. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:25 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Efficient note entry You are on Fin2008, yes? Enter the accompaniment entirely in the bottom staff. (You can use Robert's Mass Copy plugin to do all the triplets, or just do them normally and use Utilities - Change - Tuplest to hide them). Then select the notes from the bottom staff that you want to appear in the top staff and hit opt-up arrow. No need to hide any rests, Finale will do that for you automatically. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 11 Aug 2009, at 10:46 PM, Richard Yates wrote: Any suggestions for entering this texture without resorting to manually tweaking those sixteenths in the melody? It would be a real drag (and a lot of it) to do it that way, not to mention the triplets and hidden rests in the bass across two staffs. http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Chanson.jpg (It's Smetana if you're wondering) Thanks Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] re-programming expressions
Select the Expression Tool. Press Shift and the key you want to be the trigger. Select the expression you want linked to the trigger and then Enter. Pressing that trigger key and clicking on a note of measure now places the expression. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence David Eden Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:15 AM To: FinaleList Subject: [Finale] re-programming expressions Fin Mac 2K7c I am new to this version of FinaleFinale has a metatool set up within the Expression Menu. How do I change them? For example: if I want a dynamic, Finale wants me to use 1 as the metatool trigger, but I want to change it to 9 as the trigger. I know this is easy...but I can't find it in the OLD. Larry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Efficient note entry????
Any suggestions for entering this texture without resorting to manually tweaking those sixteenths in the melody? It would be a real drag (and a lot of it) to do it that way, not to mention the triplets and hidden rests in the bass across two staffs. http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Chanson.jpg (It's Smetana if you're wondering) Thanks Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Music XML import
Hi, Someone sent me XML files produced by Fin2009 or 2009 and I tried importing them in FinWin2007. I get error messages such as: XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attirbute attributte must be declared for elment type supports. XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attribute value must be declared for element type supports. XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 42: Element tuype appearance must be declared. The files then open but are missing lots of stuff (some staves are blank, etc.) Can anyone translate these? Is there any hope for getting these files into FinWin2007? Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Music XML import
Hi, Someone sent me XML files produced by Fin2009 or 2009 and I tried importing them in FinWin2007. I get error messages such as: XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attirbute attributte must be declared for elment type supports. XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 12: Attribute value must be declared for element type supports. XML error in file Caprichoarabe.xml at line 42: Element tuype appearance must be declared. The files then open but are missing lots of stuff (some staves are blank, etc.) Can anyone translate these? Is there any hope for getting these files into FinWin2007? You might contact www.recordare.com and ask them -- they're the people who make the MusicXML plug-ins. You may need to buy the full version to get the latest version in order to get the full transfer. David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com Good idea. I will send it to Recordare and Finale simultaneously. Stay tuned. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Comparing notation systems
Does lilypond still have no user interface? Er, I mean, is it still completely command-line based? I just don't see using a non-GUI app for producing notation. I try and follow these technical discussions but surely it's time to give up a thread when the words contained in the reply might as well be in Swahili for all that I can comprehend them. Mike G. I can help with a piece of it since I just heard an interview on NPR that mentioned this fragment. Most Americans assume that the written er is pronounced as, well, er. This displays an ignorance of its origins which are British. The fragment pronounced uh is used by most all English speakers as a pause or interruption but in British English is spelled er consistent with their pronunciation of words like butter as buttuh. No one says er unless they are mistakenly pronouncing the British fragment sounded uh but spelled er. Sorry that I can't help you with the rest of it, Mike. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems
As the second place finisher (and Finale user) in the competition I can say that there were many methodological problems with the contest despite attempts to minimize them. The intent was to have engravers reproduce the samples as closely as possible. Length of time spent on the reproductions was not controlled. Judges received blinded submissions but seemed unsure in some cases what criteria they were to apply. I argued that, ANY graphics program, even the much denigrated Apple Paint!, could produce an exact reproduction of the digitized samples given sufficient time. The most significant differences are often ones of efficiency and so it is impossible to disentangle software from wetware. Richard Yates -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Barbara Touburg Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:07 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems Daniel Wolf wrote: Some years ago another engraving-oriented list sponsored a competition to see how well various notation programs handled the reproduction of, I believe, two samples of music. If I recall correctly, the organizer of the list - who had, it should be noted, a substantial committment to Score - basically abandoned the competition, but not until after it had become clear that several Finale users had achieved the best results. That was something of a fiasco, and, given the importance of the individual engraver to high-end usage, was probably bound to be problematic when framed only in terms of comparing software. However, I still think that a comparison of this sort could prove very useful if framed less in terms of a competition than in trying to show how various programs and users deal with specific engraving problems. Would anyone else be interested in organizing such a comparison? I have kept the submissions to that study. Yes, I'd like a new comparison! Problem is, people on this list mainly use Finale... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Comparing notation systems
There should also be a bit of unaccompanied Bach violin solo, preferably something like the first movement of the C-major sonata. Johannes From the outset, the purpose of the enterprise needs to be defined clearly and explicitly. I am not sure that can be done. Already the comments here show a divergence of objectives. The start of the thread was to compare notation programs. What qualities are to be compared? Precision of imitation of a sample? Efficiency? Out-of-the-box defaults? Attractiveness of output? Readability of output? How do you separate users characteristics from program characteristics in the final product? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac
Sorry JD, but I remain a defender of Finale as the best notation software out there... and I think there must be many others out there who agree with me. Gary I'm with you, Gary. I stuck it out for years before EPS creation was fixed a few years ago. Now I have no big complaints (although that does not keep me from complaining from time to time). There are a couple of very specific things that Sibelius cannot do that are essential for my scores and productivity. The last couple of upgrades have no features that I really need so I will happily continue to use Fin2007. Richard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac
It cannot autoplace articulations X EVPUs to the left of a notehead at the vertical position of the click. I use that for guitar fingering numbers. It cannot design articulations that have a whiteout background to erase staff lines. A few years ago, when I was seriously investigating Sibelius, I spent hours with the demo and exchanged email with the Sibelius list and Daniel Spreadbury. These couldn't be done then. If they can now I might switch (or at least investigate it again). -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of dhbailey Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:27 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Can't make PDFs from Finale 2k9 Mac Richard Yates wrote: Sorry JD, but I remain a defender of Finale as the best notation software out there... and I think there must be many others out there who agree with me. Gary I'm with you, Gary. I stuck it out for years before EPS creation was fixed a few years ago. Now I have no big complaints (although that does not keep me from complaining from time to time). There are a couple of very specific things that Sibelius cannot do that are essential for my scores and productivity. The last couple of upgrades have no features that I really need so I will happily continue to use Fin2007. Just out of curiosity, what can't Sibelius do which are essential for your scores and productivity? -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] repeated authorization
This probably has no relevance to Mac, but in Vista even if you are the administrator and the only user on the computer you have to run the program AS the administrator when you register. Instead of just clicking on the setup file (or maybe it's the finale.exe file) you RIGHT-click and select run as administrator. Then your registration will 'stick'. Maybe there is a Mac equivalent of this procedure. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Stan Lord Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:54 PM To: Finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] repeated authorization MacFin 2009b.r3 I know this was discussed a while back but I have forgotten the outcome. I keep getting asked to register Finale even though I have registered a number of times. Now I am refused registration as I have , apparently, registered too many times. On the MM support page they say I must be an administrator to register. Well, I am. There's only me who uses the computer. Any ideas?? Stan Lord ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Exporting graphic woe
With the Graphics Tool be sure to DOUBLE-click and drag. If you single-click you get a dotted outline box that disappears when you release the mouse. How do you select a passage in order to export it as a graphic - I can find no way of doing this with the graphic tool open, if I select using the select function, the selection disappears when I click on the graphic function in tools. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Got Finale 2010 today.
So much for a free t-shirt :-) stay tuned for the water bottle How about a bottle of white-out? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] it worked fine until they fixed it
After moving the measures go back to page one and Update Layout. My latest gripe with FinMac 2K7 concerns moving measures around. After extracting a tuba part, I have 2 pages. The final page has 3 measures only, so I would like to move these measures to page 1. Here is what I tried: MassMover: select the measures to be moved and hit the UP arrow. The measures move on the screen, but when I print the part, I have two pages with the second page showing 3 measures. Apparently, the measures did not stay where I put them, and don't know why. 2K4c was better behaved, IMHO. I am reminded of the way that Nightingale used to behave(and it is an unpleasant memory.) It seems, once again, that 2K7 requires extra steps to accomplish what earlier versions of Finale did with one step. I plan on returning to 2K4c ASAP, but in the meantime, I must fix this tuba part before abandoning 2K7. I am relying on The List to help me get this seemingly simple task handled. Please advise as to how to move those last 3 measures from Page 1 to Page 2 and get it printed before Finale hoses me again. :-) Thanks, Larry ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Igor - noteheads
Long, long ago, in the days before the promise of a free Igor turned into vaporware, I signed up for the email newsletter. A server somewhere over there still sends me a monthly reminder about my subscription but the link to my 'account' is always broken. Email to their support address disappears forever with no reponse. I imagine a post-holocaust survivor like Wall-E faithfully sending its helpful notes for centuries, unless someone has an idea about how I can contact them. RY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Alternate time signatures
If you just want the signature to show 6/8 and 3/4 make an expression using the music font (e.g. Maestro) of the 3 and the 4. Make enough space after the 6/8 time signature in Document Options or with the Measure Tool (adjust beats) and place them as expressions. Looks like this: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/68-34.jpg . RY I want to have a section of a work with two time signatures (for all staves) 6/8 3/4. I do not want 6/8 + 3/4 (composite time-signature). This is a standard way of indicating a section that could be seen as being in either of the time signatures or alternating between them. How can I do this in Finale? Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Note attached articulations
Make a circle as a shape with the Articulation Tool and then set up a meta-tool to place them (one click for each note) or use Mass Edit to select many notes and attach the articulation to them all at once. -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of monique krijgsman Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 6:47 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Note attached articulations I want to place circles beneath each note, so that my 1st graders can colour them. The only way I can figure out is using the expression tool. I made a new expression with the circle, but now I have to doubleclick each note to attach that expression. Is there an easy way to attach to all notes in my score this circle? Bye, Monique. 2009/4/17 Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.net Use note-attached expressions. Cheers, - Darcy - djar...@earthlink.net Brooklyn, NY On 17 Apr 2009, at 8:10 AM, M LAWLOR wrote: [Finale 2002] I would like to use the articulation tool to attach numbers to individual notes. This is fine for single digit numbers, but I cannot create articulations for 10 and above, other than by creating two articulations and dragging them into position. At the moment, the best solution I can come up with is to use the expression tool, but this does not allow me to attach the articulations to the notes so that, as spacing changes, the articulation moves with the note. Does anyone have any better solutions to offer? Regards, Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
