Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I think he meant to say velocity can't make a sustained note get any louder once it has started, like a crescendo. There ARE many expressions that change the attack velocity - if you have duplicated one of these expressions to edit and use in another situation, you might have inadvertently assigned a playback value that you didn't want. I did this once with an Adagio that I edited to be Cup Mute, and couldn't understand why my score slowed down every time it got to bar 53. Check your expressions, and use the mixer for your major balance issues, as Darcy suggested. This is one of the things that everyone thinks should be a gimme, but balance is a very delicate matter and you can't expect the machines to do it properly without tweaking. Major orchestras that have played together for years still need tweaking, so we have to adjust our expectations for Finale GPO. Right out of the box, the horns are way too loud and the trumpets are way too soft, the flutes are way too loud... I could go on for a while... Christopher On Jan 5, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 9:34 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Gerry, Velocity only affects the amount of accent. If you have a velocity of 127 and a CC#68 value of 1, the sound will still be extremely soft. Manually increasing the velocity in Finale won't correct balance issues for GPO sustaining instruments -- it will just make the notes more accented. Again, the proper way to correct balance issues is to use the mixer. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:54 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Velocity does affect the attack on sustaining instruments -- it does make the sound louder --- try it you'll hear. Jerry On 4-Jan-07, at 8:49 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Gerald Berg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005, but if GPO playback is important to you, you are far, far, far better off in Fin2006. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:37 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Thanks Darcy Re 2006 -- I could not get it to sound right. The balance was off! :) Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005, but if GPO playback is important to you, you are far, far, far better off in Fin2006. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:37 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: Could you give me the link to that Darcy? I am still on FINMAC 2005 -- I bought 2006 but didn't like it much and so far have skipped 2007. Thank you Jerry On 5-Jan-07, at 10:25 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Jerry, Read my tutorial, especially the section on creating hidden expressions that adjust mixer volume on the fly. If you disable Human Playback entirely, you will never get good results with GPO unless you are willing to do a staggering amount of hand-tweaking. It's far better to customize your Human Playback settings to get the results you want. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 05 Jan 2007, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find it impossible to get the balance I want this way. If there is a further secret on this path i would surely like to know it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 9:01 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
On 05 Jan 2007, at 10:47 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's in the User Manual folder once you install the Fin2006b update. GPO support in Human Playback is very limited in Fin2005. I have no idea what you don't like about Finale 2005 2006, I mean. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Use the mixer, and turn on Human Playback when working with GPO instruments. Velocity does not affect the volume of sustaining instruments in GPO. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 12:18 AM, MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] GPO instrument volume inconsistencies
Again, you should NOT use any custom-programmed mod-wheel expressions with GPO, hidden or otherwise. Use Human Playback, with regular (not customized for playback) dynamic expressions. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 04 Jan 2007, at 9:34 AM, Gerald Berg wrote: I find that increasing volume and modulation helps balance this problem out -- I usually hide the mod expressions. An mp mod, exp. should do it. Jerry Gerald Berg On 4-Jan-07, at 6:46 AM, dhbailey wrote: MB wrote: Hi. Could anyone explain how I get louder volume out of strings and softer volume out of keyboards? If I set velocity to all strings at 127 and keyboard at, say, 100, I can hardly hear the strings, yet the keyboard is so loud as to be annoying. Similarly, even if there are no keyboards in the composition, the strings are still too soft. I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what. If this problem has been endlessly discussed previously, I apologize for asking again. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Marilyn Is this for all works or just one specific piece? If it's just one specific piece, you might check your Expressions, and see if any have been defined for playback. I frequently duplicate expressions and edit them into new expressions, finding that easier for maintaining font family and size for uniform appearance, and occasionally forget to check if playback has been defined. Perhaps that's what you've done. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
