Re: [Finale] Page Skips
Whatever... Johannes David W. Fenton schrieb: On 8 May 2005 at 20:07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem in Windows? Well, if there is a similar problem on this is the first time I noticed it being mentioned. As far as I remember the problem on the Mac side was attributed to the change to OS X, since it started in 2k4. Also, the problem you mentioned it the opposite to what is currently the problem on the Mac. Actually, I don't see it as the opposite at all, since I'm approaching it from a programmer's point of view. I see it as a problem with the handling of MouseUp and MouseDown events in the page navigation widgets. And it's both the backward and forward widgets that I experience the problem with. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On 8 May 2005 at 20:07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > David W. Fenton schrieb: > > Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem > > in Windows? > > Well, if there is a similar problem on this is the first time I > noticed it being mentioned. As far as I remember the problem on the > Mac side was attributed to the change to OS X, since it started in > 2k4. > > Also, the problem you mentioned it the opposite to what is currently > the problem on the Mac. Actually, I don't see it as the opposite at all, since I'm approaching it from a programmer's point of view. I see it as a problem with the handling of MouseUp and MouseDown events in the page navigation widgets. And it's both the backward and forward widgets that I experience the problem with. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On 8 May 2005 at 13:40, Eric Dussault wrote: > Le 05-05-08 à 13:30, David W. Fenton a écrit : > > > You think so, huh? > > > > Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem > > in Windows? > > Am I right in saying that David uses Fin2k3 and that the skip problem > is new to Fin 2k5? If it is, we are tallking of two different > problems.. Or, the emergence of an existing problem in the codebase, but now on a different platform. It seems there is something wrong with the widgets Finale uses for page navigation, and my assumption is that MakeMusic does not maintain completely independent codebases for components like that (there may be a layer that is OS-specific, but it would be very complicated to maintain two completely different versions of those widgets). I use widgets of this kind and size that do the same thing in lots of other applications, and never have this kind of problem with them, so it's not a problem inherent to my mousing capability -- it's something about Finale's implementation. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On the Mac side the problem started in 2k4, the first OS X version, as far as I remember originally in the opposite manner, and then over-corrected in a maintenance release. Johannes Eric Dussault schrieb: Am I right in saying that David uses Fin2k3 and that the skip problem is new to Fin 2k5? If it is, we are tallking of two different problems.. Éric Dussault Le 05-05-08 à 13:30, David W. Fenton a écrit : You think so, huh? Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem in Windows? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
David W. Fenton schrieb: Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem in Windows? Well, if there is a similar problem on this is the first time I noticed it being mentioned. As far as I remember the problem on the Mac side was attributed to the change to OS X, since it started in 2k4. Also, the problem you mentioned it the opposite to what is currently the problem on the Mac. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
Am I right in saying that David uses Fin2k3 and that the skip problem is new to Fin 2k5? If it is, we are tallking of two different problems.. Éric Dussault Le 05-05-08 à 13:30, David W. Fenton a écrit : You think so, huh? Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem in Windows? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On 8 May 2005 at 18:21, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > Andrew Stiller schrieb: > > > > On May 7, 2005, at 12:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > >> On 7 May 2005 at 8:31, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > >> > >>> Well, that's definitely not the case here, even with the most > >>> delicate clicks it will jump at times. MM as acknowledged the > >>> problem as far as I know. > >> > >> I've always had precisely the opposite problem -- clicks *don't* > >> change the page (or the page number) and then a second click skips > >> a page. > > > > I have *both* problems. I brought up the skipping behavior on this > > list a few months ago, and was assured that it was an OSX issue, not > > a Finale issue. > > Definitely not. Originally the problem was that the buttons were not > responsive enough, and required several clicks. Trying to fix this > some maintenance update started having the page skip problems. > > However, as far as I know it is a problem only in the OS X versions of > Finale. You think so, huh? Despite the fact that you quote me, reporting a very similar problem in Windows? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
Andrew Stiller schrieb: On May 7, 2005, at 12:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 May 2005 at 8:31, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, that's definitely not the case here, even with the most delicate clicks it will jump at times. MM as acknowledged the problem as far as I know. I've always had precisely the opposite problem -- clicks *don't* change the page (or the page number) and then a second click skips a page. I have *both* problems. I brought up the skipping behavior on this list a few months ago, and was assured that it was an OSX issue, not a Finale issue. Definitely not. Originally the problem was that the buttons were not responsive enough, and required several clicks. Trying to fix this some maintenance update started having the page skip problems. However, as far as I know it is a problem only in the OS X versions of Finale. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On May 7, 2005, at 12:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 May 2005 at 8:31, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, that's definitely not the case here, even with the most delicate clicks it will jump at times. MM as acknowledged the problem as far as I know. I've always had precisely the opposite problem -- clicks *don't* change the page (or the page number) and then a second click skips a page. I have *both* problems. I brought up the skipping behavior on this list a few months ago, and was assured that it was an OSX issue, not a Finale issue. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
On 7 May 2005 at 8:31, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > Well, that's definitely not the case here, even with the most delicate > clicks it will jump at times. MM as acknowledged the problem as far as > I know. I've always had precisely the opposite problem -- clicks *don't* change the page (or the page number) and then a second click skips a page. I've always figured there was something holding up the updating of the screen display (both the page and the page number) that caused this, but have never figured out what it might be. For me, this problem goes back at least to WinFin97, and I'm still seeing it in WinFin2K3. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
Well, that's definitely not the case here, even with the most delicate clicks it will jump at times. MM as acknowledged the problem as far as I know. Johannes Robert Patterson schrieb: I have noticed it. For awhile I cussed it until I realized that it is actually there by design and useful. Basically, it continues to page while you hold down the arrow. You just have to click more delicately. Jonathan Smith wrote: 1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? Yep, me too. Only skips one page either way though, back or forward, never 2 or more. This has been a bug for at least the last two versions (FinMac 2004 & 2005). It's a pain. I wondered if it was a finale or OSX bug, but it never happens in any other app. I use, so I guess it's one for Make Music to resolve .hope you're listening in guys?. JS ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
Thanks for pointing this out Robert. You're quite right, a staccato mouse click only turns one page at a time. John On 6 May 2005, at 23:56, Robert Patterson wrote: I have noticed it. For awhile I cussed it until I realized that it is actually there by design and useful. Basically, it continues to page while you hold down the arrow. You just have to click more delicately. Jonathan Smith wrote: 1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? Yep, me too. Only skips one page either way though, back or forward, never 2 or more. This has been a bug for at least the last two versions (FinMac 2004 & 2005). It's a pain. I wondered if it was a finale or OSX bug, but it never happens in any other app. I use, so I guess it's one for Make Music to resolve .hope you're listening in guys?. JS ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Skips
I have noticed it. For awhile I cussed it until I realized that it is actually there by design and useful. Basically, it continues to page while you hold down the arrow. You just have to click more delicately. Jonathan Smith wrote: 1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? Yep, me too. Only skips one page either way though, back or forward, never 2 or more. This has been a bug for at least the last two versions (FinMac 2004 & 2005). It's a pain. I wondered if it was a finale or OSX bug, but it never happens in any other app. I use, so I guess it's one for Make Music to resolve .hope you're listening in guys?. JS ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
No, Vincent, just a plain vanilla Apple "ProMouse". I have a notion that the problem really began when computer speeds increased. Ordinary scrolling, even on my 867 MHz G4 is way too fast.Herman On May 6, 2005, at 3:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when>using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner?yes, I've had this happen. Are you using a Kensington mouse or trackball? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
>1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when >using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? yes, I've had this happen. Are you using a Kensington mouse or trackball? There are times when it seems to stick in the down position. I notice this when scrolling or drag selecting. Vince Leonard www.finalebook.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
Hal, where do you get this stuff? Many thanks. Now maybe my ears will stop ringing.HermanOn May 6, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Harold Owen wrote:Try this: a) be sure the "Override Reverb" in HP Preferences is set to 0, and then click Save; b) go to MIDI/Send MIDI Value, click Controller, enter 91 (Effects 1 Depth), and make sure there is a zero below that. Click Send and Done. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
Herman Gersten writes: 2 questions: 1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? 2. How do I turn off the reverb which persists from file to file. I have tried to override it in HP to no avail. You have answers to No. 1. For No. 2 Either you didn't click Save after setting reverb override or your sound card or effects box got a Controller 91 message that turned reverb up and never got a zero message to turn it off. Try this: a) be sure the "Override Reverb" in HP Preferences is set to 0, and then click Save; b) go to MIDI/Send MIDI Value, click Controller, enter 91 (Effects 1 Depth), and make sure there is a zero below that. Click Send and Done. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
That's the answer, Leigh. Thanks!On May 6, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Leigh Daniels wrote:It's been bugging me in FinMac2004b. I use Cmd-PageUp & CmdPageDown instead of the mouse clicks. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page skips
It's been bugging me in FinMac2004b. I use Cmd-PageUp & CmdPageDown instead of the mouse clicks. **Leigh On Fri, May 6, 2005, HERMAN GERSTEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >1. Has anyone using FinMac 2005b noticed pages being skipped when >using the page forward or back arrows in the lower left corner? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
