Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
On 01.12.2005 Kurt Gnos wrote: Nope! I did not change the Default File. The only thing I changed is in the page sizes file where I put A4 before letter because this is what we use here in Europe. But - if - Finale will not correctly interpret the page sizes in every way, this might explain that I have problems no american user has. Suppose finale still thinks in letter, some things might go spaced weirdly... Could it be that you have Automatic Update Layout switched off? I have a similar setup to yours, ie I have set my default page size to A4, and I have never seen this problem. There are no blank pages in my parts. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
On Dec 1, 2005, at 7:40 PM, John Bell wrote: Robert Patterson's suggestion set me wondering whether your System Spacing problem might possibly derive from your Default File. Does the problem occur with a default document? John It occurs to me that an extra blank page would be something you'd want if you were printing in booklet format. Is there some default setting for booklet printing that would be creating this page? Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
No! I have switched it on (automaic update layout). And I found no special settings that might explain the problem. But I know, even with automatic layout on, when I print, the printing dialogue box will only vanish (after hitting ok and printing) when I click once in the window afterwards. Speaking of bugs... But I guess that's how the automatic layout works? Even if I don't know any other program where I have to do an automatic update manually... As to the irregular spacing and the empty page at the end of parts, I found no setting that can explain it... But, I am glad to hear you don't have these problems, so there's hope left for me...;-) Kurt At 13:28 02.12.2005, you wrote: On 01.12.2005 Kurt Gnos wrote: Nope! I did not change the Default File. The only thing I changed is in the page sizes file where I put A4 before letter because this is what we use here in Europe. But - if - Finale will not correctly interpret the page sizes in every way, this might explain that I have problems no american user has. Suppose finale still thinks in letter, some things might go spaced weirdly... Could it be that you have Automatic Update Layout switched off? I have a similar setup to yours, ie I have set my default page size to A4, and I have never seen this problem. There are no blank pages in my parts. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
I did some more research. The uneven spacing problem seems to come up most when I start a new piece from scratch. This is what I do mostly, adding bars automatically since I do most work in speedy entry. Using templates, only sometimes the second page will be spaced differently from the first. But since I don't normally use it, I wouldn't know for sure. But hey! I know some workarounds. If I only knew a workaround for the non-working EPS export (WinXP)... How I envy the Sibelius guys. Select the measures, export EPS, finished. Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
On 12/2/05, Kurt Gnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! I have switched it on (automaic update layout). And I found no special settings that might explain the problem. But I know, even with automatic layout on, when I print, the printing dialogue box will only vanish (after hitting ok and printing) when I click once in the window afterwards. Speaking of bugs... But I guess that's how the automatic layout works? Even if I don't know any other program where I have to do an automatic update manually... I get that blank page all the time after extracting part, but a manual layout update will always solve it. You could even make a Finalescript that says: //process all open docs process folder //process subdirectories update layout That will do a manual update layout for all files in a specified folder. You can change the commenting (// at the beginning of a line marks it as a comment, so that line will not un as part of the script) to process all open documents instead, or to allow the script to work on all subfolders of the selected folder in addition. I recently did this (applied the update layout command to the beginning of the Batch Printing script), and it worked perfectly. Hope this helps. -- Brad Beyenhof Real-time Finale discussion: http://www.finaleirc.com my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
Oh, yeah... you should probably add: save close to the end of that script, unless you want all of the documents to remain open after they are processed. On 12/2/05, Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/2/05, Kurt Gnos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! I have switched it on (automaic update layout). And I found no special settings that might explain the problem. But I know, even with automatic layout on, when I print, the printing dialogue box will only vanish (after hitting ok and printing) when I click once in the window afterwards. Speaking of bugs... But I guess that's how the automatic layout works? Even if I don't know any other program where I have to do an automatic update manually... I get that blank page all the time after extracting part, but a manual layout update will always solve it. You could even make a Finalescript that says: //process all open docs process folder //process subdirectories update layout That will do a manual update layout for all files in a specified folder. You can change the commenting (// at the beginning of a line marks it as a comment, so that line will not un as part of the script) to process all open documents instead, or to allow the script to work on all subfolders of the selected folder in addition. I recently did this (applied the update layout command to the beginning of the Batch Printing script), and it worked perfectly. Hope this helps. -- Brad Beyenhof Real-time Finale discussion: http://www.finaleirc.com my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com Silence will save me from being wrong (and foolish), but it will also deprive me of the possibility of being right. ~ Igor Stravinsky ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
Kurt Gnos wrote: I did some more research. The uneven spacing problem seems to come up most when I start a new piece from scratch. This is what I do mostly, adding bars automatically since I do most work in speedy entry. Using templates, only sometimes the second page will be spaced differently from the first. But since I don't normally use it, I wouldn't know for sure. But hey! I know some workarounds. If I only knew a workaround for the non-working EPS export (WinXP)... How I envy the Sibelius guys. Select the measures, export EPS, finished. They do offer a competitive upgrade, so you don't have to envy them -- you can become one! Or you can do like a lot of us do -- go both ways! ;-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Kurt Gnos wrote: But hey! I know some workarounds. If I only knew a workaround for the non-working EPS export (WinXP)... You might try this one; download and install Ghostscript and Ghostview; and (if you do not already have one) a postscript printer driver, set to print to file. Now print the portion of the score that you want as an EPS, as a ~.ps file, and import it into Ghostview; under some circumstances this file can be converted to an EPS format. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
Thanks, John and all, At 02:04 01.12.2005, you wrote: On 30 Nov 2005, at 22:48, Kurt Gnos wrote: 1.) When I extract parts, there is always an additional empty page after the last page of the parts. Only if I update I won't print a lot of empty pages. What use? Why? Why still? I have never once experienced this. You must have something, somewhere, set a bit awry. I've been having that for a long time... And I've been searching for a something, somewhere, to no avail... 2.) When I implode music, say, to do a piano accompaniment from a funk horns section, and there are slurs, I get multiple slurs that I have to get rid of manually. a) Should not the program be intelligent enough to check if the rhythms and slurs are the same and to its task? b) Is there a fast way to erase, say, 2 of 3 slurs in the whole piece of music, or some plugin like check slurs or similar? Or a quick workaround? Yes, it is annoying. Removing all slurs, dynamics etc except for the ones you want before imploding seems the easiest strategy. Another, sort of related, irritation, is that when exploding music the parts fail to inherit hairpins. So this function could work better, anyway. OK, I can delete all slurs but in the target stave, but this is also a workaround... 3.) Since ever. Why won't the spacing between systems change after page 1 even if I did not do anything? Why do I always have to do one of my dozen workarounds to get systems evenly spaced not on one page, but throughout the piece, normally so I won't need more pages than necessary? Why will there be a system on page 2 that has a much bigger space than all of the others? Sorry, I don't quite follow you. Do you mean in a situation where system sizes vary widely, so that there will be a different number of systems on each page? In that case Space Systems Evenly might help. Well, I enter a piece of music. Or extract some parts. Now, on page one there may be no problem, but somewhere later the spacing between staffs or accolades will differ, rather be zero, but than again there will be a quite big space somewhere. I got this in earlier versions too, not sure how far back, maybe to the beginning (mine is with finale 2.0) (about 15 years back). Mostly I will reduce the size somewhat, look how much pages there are, make a rough setting in scroll view, optimize the systems, go to the last page, and drag, in layout mode, the upper handle (global spacing) until the distances are all right and the last page is well filled. If its only one page I just select Finale to space the systems evally. Redifining all pages does not get rid of the unconstant distances, which I cannot understand, in my opinion it should just do that... Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
This problem sounds to me as if there is a blank page in your Maestro Default File (or whatever file you use as a starting template.) 1.) When I extract parts, there is always an additional empty page after the last page of the parts. Only if I update I won't print a lot of empty pages. What use? Why? Why still? I have never once experienced this. You must have something, somewhere, set a bit awry. I've been having that for a long time... And I've been searching for a something, somewhere, to no avail... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
No. I doubt Finale cares whether the defailt is A4. This problem is definitely something in your setup: not Finale. -Original Message- From: Kurt Gnos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2005 09:56 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs Nope! I did not change the Default File. The only thing I changed is in the page sizes file where I put A4 before letter because this is what we use here in Europe. But - if - Finale will not correctly interpret the page sizes in every way, this might explain that I have problems no american user has. Suppose finale still thinks in letter, some things might go spaced weirdly... Just an idea Kurt At 22:29 01.12.2005, you wrote: This problem sounds to me as if there is a blank page in your Maestro Default File (or whatever file you use as a starting template.) 1.) When I extract parts, there is always an additional empty page after the last page of the parts. Only if I update I won't print a lot of empty pages. What use? Why? Why still? I have never once experienced this. You must have something, somewhere, set a bit awry. I've been having that for a long time... And I've been searching for a something, somewhere, to no avail... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
On 1 Dec 2005, at 21:56, Kurt Gnos wrote:Nope! I did not change the Default File. The only thing I changed is in the page sizes file where I put A4 before letter because this is what we use here in Europe. But - if - Finale will not correctly interpret the page sizes in every way, this might explain that I have problems no american user has. Suppose finale still thinks in letter, some things might go spaced weirdly... I'm also in Europe, and have the Default File set to A3, since that is normally the size of my scores. Before extracting parts I set the parts size to A4. I have never encountered the extra page phenomenon.Robert Patterson's suggestion set me wondering whether your System Spacing problem might possibly derive from your Default File. Does the problem occur with a default document?John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
3.) Since ever. Why won't the spacing between systems change after page 1 even if I did not do anything? Why do I always have to do one of my dozen workarounds to get systems evenly spaced not on one page, but throughout the piece, normally so I won't need more pages than necessary? Why will there be a system on page 2 that has a much bigger space than all of the others? I get something similar to this and have fixed it by lowering the Space Pages More Than x% Full setting in Space Systems Evenly. I always want them done. For some reason I don't think that setting always gets it right?! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art Real-time Finale discussion - http://www.finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
Dear Kurt, On the imploding issue. Whenever I do this operation, I always clear note expressions, articulations, and smart shapes (using mass edit) from the lower parts and implode them into the highest selected part. This avoids the problem of having duplicates in the imploded result. (Articulations and expressions are also duplicated if you don't remove them first, though you might not notice if they are superimposed on one another.) I never thought about how this might be done better automatically by Finale. It only takes a moment or two. I have never had the extra last page problem. I have never used Space Systems Evenly since the results seem unpredictable. I prefer to zero all the system margins and place a value in the Space Between Staves box. If you set that as you want it on system 2 (system 1 often has more space above it) and select apply to system 2 thru - and leave the last entry box blank (or enter a zero), all subsequent systems will be identically spaced. I usually enter a value that I have reason to think will be visually attractive for the piece in general, and make adjustments on those pages and systems that require it. I have always thought that one of the strengths of computer notation was the fact that inter-staff spacing could be changed according to the needs of legibility - (leaving extra space for ledger lines, expressions, etc.). Hope this helps. Chuck On Nov 30, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: Hi, I like Finale, and I like Finale 2006. Besides the eternal bug of Non-EPS, there are three bugs I come by very often. 1.) When I extract parts, there is always an additional empty page after the last page of the parts. Only if I update I won't print a lot of empty pages. What use? Why? Why still? 2.) When I implode music, say, to do a piano accompaniment from a funk horns section, and there are slurs, I get multiple slurs that I have to get rid of manually. a) Should not the program be intelligent enough to check if the rhythms and slurs are the same and to its task? b) Is there a fast way to erase, say, 2 of 3 slurs in the whole piece of music, or some plugin like check slurs or similar? Or a quick workaround? 3.) Since ever. Why won't the spacing between systems change after page 1 even if I did not do anything? Why do I always have to do one of my dozen workarounds to get systems evenly spaced not on one page, but throughout the piece, normally so I won't need more pages than necessary? Why will there be a system on page 2 that has a much bigger space than all of the others? Since these are things I meet almost every day, I ask you for opinions, workarounds, and maybe they won't be there in Finale 2007? Still, miss EPS more than everything cheers Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] three annoying everyday Finale bugs
On 30 Nov 2005, at 22:48, Kurt Gnos wrote:1.) When I extract parts, there is always an additional empty page after the last page of the parts. Only if I update I won't print a lot of empty pages. What use? Why? Why still?I have never once experienced this. You must have something, somewhere, set a bit awry. 2.) When I implode music, say, to do a piano accompaniment from a funk horns section, and there are slurs, I get multiple slurs that I have to get rid of manually. a) Should not the program be intelligent enough to check if the rhythms and slurs are the same and to its task? b) Is there a fast way to erase, say, 2 of 3 slurs in the whole piece of music, or some plugin like "check slurs" or similar? Or a quick workaround?Yes, it is annoying. Removing all slurs, dynamics etc except for the ones you want before imploding seems the easiest strategy. Another, sort of related, irritation, is that when exploding music the parts fail to inherit hairpins. 3.) Since ever. Why won't the spacing between systems change after page 1 even if I did not do anything? Why do I always have to do one of my dozen workarounds to get systems evenly spaced not on one page, but throughout the piece, normally so I won't need more pages than necessary? Why will there be a system on page 2 that has a much bigger space than all of the others? Sorry, I don't quite follow you. Do you mean in a situation where system sizes vary widely, so that there will be a different number of systems on each page? In that case Space Systems Evenly might help.John___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
