Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-27 Thread Cole Joplin
I have made the switch to Mac, and wanted to chime in. I have developed on 
Windows for most of my career, but I'm moving everything to Mac. I am more than 
satisfied with FB3 on the Mac. In fact, I've been slowly moving to Mac for 
practically everything for a year now. Development is better, and overall 
stress is way down. It's a little different, just like Linux is different. 
Everything just works, all the time, as far as tools goes. That is my 
experience anyway. I'm not alone. One by one, my co-workers are running 
necessary Windows programs from
VMWare Fusion, with no complaints. In fact, our office is just
buying new Macs. Linux seems to be the fate of all our Windows PCs nowadays, 
especially if it says Dell. That's working out extremely well also. The bottom 
line is we are more productive on Macs. Isn't that the point?

I am fortunate to have a MacBook Pro, with 4GB and 8MB of L2 cache. So, there's 
a lot to be said for good hardware and memory. But since this a general Mac 
statement, I say yes, it's great. Scared of Vista? It's okay, you can say it, 
we all know. Thinking now's a good time to switch? Definitely consider it. With 
people scavenging for unused XP licenses, because they are tired of rebuilding 
Vista, it's good timing. I was fine with XP, but that's not a real choice for 
the future. Vista is a big step backwards, in our experience. Who knows when a 
new Windows is coming out. We can't wait a few years for them to get their act 
together. 

Macs have never been so good. It's not just the new and shiny, as has been 
suggested previously. Mac makes a solid case for productivity, now and the next 
few years. I'm sure Adobe would agree. Right now, I can't image not having a 
Mac to develop on.

-- Cole





From: Gustavo Duenas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:53:10 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

welcome to the mac family :)

On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Jatin Nanda wrote:

I still use both forms extensively. I have a development PC, which I am slowly 
de-commissioning and a dell laptop that is primarily used for off-site work.

My new development machine is actually a 2Gb 24" iMac (am awaiting delivery of 
the additional 2Gb). Apart from the big screen, the main reason why i bought 
this is the lact of wires. It has a single power cable, i have an Ethernet 
cable & an additional DVI cable for a 2nd screen. But no other wires (keyboard 
and mouse are wireless). Its got a built in cam for video conferencing, and 
built in speakers. Where my development pc had upto 15 different cables (power, 
additional monitors, speakers, keyboard mouse) the iMac makes my desk tidier. 
Oh yes and it looks good too.

As a development experience, I am slowly beginning to lean towards the mac. 
Eclipse does not look as good/polish as it does on a PC. Expose & Spaces is 
very useful. But since I still need a lot of windows apps, which are installed 
in VMs. I could do with more RAM though

Regards,

J





2008/10/24 john fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net>

yeah, thanks, have that. Its much better than a couple of years ago.
Probably plenty good enough for a bushwhacker like me if I just took
some time with it.
J


Guy Morton wrote:
> Inkscape is a reasonable Illustrator- replacement, and it's free.
>
>






Gustavo A. Duenas
Creative DirectorLEFT AND RIGHT SOLUTIONS
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Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-27 Thread Weyert de Boer
> Then there's the free(as in beer) Apple Developer Tools, which you need
> to install, but include: XCode and all the other good stuff it brings,
> including WebObjects, IPhone SDK, general Cocoa SDK tools, various
> profilers etc etc. the list just goes on an on..
> In my experience IDEs like Eclipse, Flex Builder, Netbeans etc etc work
> fine on OS X.
Visual Studio Express is also free (as in beer) and also is a good 
development environment for Windows.
Now it has to be said that XCode is a lovely IDE!


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-25 Thread shaun
Hi,

For me, Windows is not even remotely comparable to OS X for a software 
development machine.
These are some very useful tools for software development that come with 
OS X. Straight out of the box.

crab:~ shaun$ which python
/usr/bin/python
crab:~ shaun$ which ruby
/usr/bin/ruby
crab:~ shaun$ which perl
/usr/bin/perl
crab:~ shaun$ which apachectl
/usr/sbin/apachectl
crab:~ shaun$ which at
/usr/bin/at
crab:~ shaun$ which emacs
/usr/bin/emacs
crab:~ shaun$ which vi
/usr/bin/vi
crab:~ shaun$ which java
/usr/bin/java
crab:bin shaun$ which diff
/usr/bin/diff
crab:share shaun$ which patch
/usr/bin/patch
crab:bin shaun$ which svn
/usr/bin/svn
crab:bin shaun$ which head
/usr/bin/head
crab:bin shaun$ which tail
/usr/bin/tail
crab:bin shaun$ which grep
/usr/bin/grep
crab:bin shaun$ which find
/usr/bin/find
crab:bin shaun$ which awk
/usr/bin/awk
crab:bin shaun$ which sed
/usr/bin/sed
crab:bin shaun$ which bash
/bin/bash
crab:bin shaun$ which zip
/usr/bin/zip
crab:bin shaun$ which tar
/usr/bin/tar
crab:bin shaun$ which ssh
/usr/bin/ssh
crab:bin shaun$ which scp
/usr/bin/scp
crab:share shaun$ which curl
/usr/bin/curl
crab:share shaun$ which ftp
/usr/bin/ftp

Then there's the free(as in beer) Apple Developer Tools, which you need 
to install, but include: XCode and all the other good stuff it brings, 
including WebObjects, IPhone SDK, general Cocoa SDK tools, various 
profilers etc etc. the list just goes on an on..
In my experience IDEs like Eclipse, Flex Builder, Netbeans etc etc work 
fine on OS X.

Basically, OS X is a /great/ developer platform.

cheers,
  - shaun



Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread wdb
Too bad, the iMac 20" has a terrible LCD display which lacks the ability to
display grayscale reasonable.

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:52:15 +0100, "Jatin Nanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I still use both forms extensively. I have a development PC, which I am
> slowly de-commissioning and a dell laptop that is primarily used for
> off-site work.
> 
> My new development machine is actually a 2Gb 24" iMac (am awaiting
> delivery
> of the additional 2Gb). Apart from the big screen, the main reason why i
> bought this is the lact of wires. It has a single power cable, i have an
> Ethernet cable & an additional DVI cable for a 2nd screen. But no other
> wires (keyboard and mouse are wireless). Its got a built in cam for video
> conferencing, and built in speakers. Where my development pc had upto 15
> different cables (power, additional monitors, speakers, keyboard mouse)
> the
> iMac makes my desk tidier. Oh yes and it looks good too.
> 
> As a development experience, I am slowly beginning to lean towards the
> mac.
> Eclipse does not look as good/polish as it does on a PC. Expose & Spaces
> is
> very useful. But since I still need a lot of windows apps, which are
> installed in VMs. I could do with more RAM though
> 
> Regards,
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/10/24 john fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
>>   yeah, thanks, have that. Its much better than a couple of years ago.
>> Probably plenty good enough for a bushwhacker like me if I just took
>> some time with it.
>> J
>>
>>
>> Guy Morton wrote:
>> > Inkscape is a reasonable Illustrator-replacement, and it's free.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>



Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Howard Fore
Aye. A longtime mantra of mine is that you can never have too much RAM or
hard disk, doesn't matter which platform. :-)

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Jatin Nanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I could do with more RAM though
>


-- 
Howard Fore, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"The universe tends toward maximum irony. Don't push it." - Jeff Atwood


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Jatin Nanda
I still use both forms extensively. I have a development PC, which I am
slowly de-commissioning and a dell laptop that is primarily used for
off-site work.

My new development machine is actually a 2Gb 24" iMac (am awaiting delivery
of the additional 2Gb). Apart from the big screen, the main reason why i
bought this is the lact of wires. It has a single power cable, i have an
Ethernet cable & an additional DVI cable for a 2nd screen. But no other
wires (keyboard and mouse are wireless). Its got a built in cam for video
conferencing, and built in speakers. Where my development pc had upto 15
different cables (power, additional monitors, speakers, keyboard mouse) the
iMac makes my desk tidier. Oh yes and it looks good too.

As a development experience, I am slowly beginning to lean towards the mac.
Eclipse does not look as good/polish as it does on a PC. Expose & Spaces is
very useful. But since I still need a lot of windows apps, which are
installed in VMs. I could do with more RAM though

Regards,

J




2008/10/24 john fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   yeah, thanks, have that. Its much better than a couple of years ago.
> Probably plenty good enough for a bushwhacker like me if I just took
> some time with it.
> J
>
>
> Guy Morton wrote:
> > Inkscape is a reasonable Illustrator-replacement, and it's free.
> >
> >
>  
>


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread john fisher
yeah, thanks, have that. Its much better than a couple of years ago.
Probably plenty good enough for a bushwhacker like me if I just took
some time with it.
J

Guy Morton wrote:
> Inkscape is a reasonable Illustrator-replacement, and it's free.
>
>


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Weyert de Boer
I have been moving towards OSX three years ago. Only I have the feeling 
you replacing the BSOD with annoying rotating beachballs.
You are having a lot of beachballs under OSX sometimes at odd times. 
Anyways, beside of things like Disco, QuickSilver and TextMate
are nice applications which ain't available under Windows/Linux.


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Farid SALAH

Le 24 oct. 08 à 10:27, Josh McDonald a écrit :

> I think he meant "I'm not coding any more" :)

That's what happens when one thinks one thinks he can read and  
understand english as one's native language.

Maybe I'll start a new thread on this...

Thanks,

Farid from Paris, France

Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Josh McDonald
I think he meant "I'm not coding any more" :)

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Farid SALAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Le 23 oct. 08 à 21:20, Matt Chotin a écrit :
>
> > So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs.  One reason is
> > because we have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway.  Another is
> > because we obviously build software for Macs, and in running Macs we
> > can actually do tests on both Mac and Windows (via virtual
> > machine).  I was entirely a PC guy before I got my Mac about 15
> > months ago.  I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say it's more
> > stable than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard
> > shortcuts work and whatnot drives me up wall.  My IDE is no longer
> > Eclipse/Flex Builder but my email client and Word and PowerPoint,
> > and I gotta say I like the Windows versions better than the Mac.
>
> What IDE do you use ?
> I'm trying to get rid of Eclipse/FlexBuilder on my Mac and I have
> trouble finding the right way to compile, build and deploy our
> applications without FlexBuilder (of which we bought the professional
> version ;^) ).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Farid
>
>
>
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Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-24 Thread Farid SALAH

Le 23 oct. 08 à 21:20, Matt Chotin a écrit :

> So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs.  One reason is  
> because we have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway.  Another is  
> because we obviously build software for Macs, and in running Macs we  
> can actually do tests on both Mac and Windows (via virtual  
> machine).  I was entirely a PC guy before I got my Mac about 15  
> months ago.  I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say it's more  
> stable than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard  
> shortcuts work and whatnot drives me up wall.  My IDE is no longer  
> Eclipse/Flex Builder but my email client and Word and PowerPoint,  
> and I gotta say I like the Windows versions better than the Mac.

What IDE do you use ?
I'm trying to get rid of Eclipse/FlexBuilder on my Mac and I have  
trouble finding the right way to compile, build and deploy our  
applications without FlexBuilder (of which we bought the professional  
version ;^) ).

Thanks,

Farid




Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Guy Morton

Inkscape is a reasonable Illustrator-replacement, and it's free.

On 24/10/2008, at 9:23 AM, john fisher wrote:


Just in case anybody cares, it is also possible to use Flex Builder on
Linux.
Since I don't normally use any non-free software, and I do a lot of
Linux sys admin, thats good for me.
There are a few apps I can't duplicate, like Illustrator and Google
Sketchup and Rhino, but mostly I don't miss anything from Windows- 
land.
true I don't care about iTunes&music, but I do subscribe to  
podcasts. (I

don't do professional graphics or audio.)

In the last year or so the package system for Ubuntu has gotten  
mature,

so that software installation is just select and click.
It used to be a PITA sometimes. Most of the sys admin apps now work in
KDE, too. Theres a few things that still don't work, but in Linux you
can be pretty sure they'll be fixed. I like OSX, too, and used DOS and
Windows since 1985.
just sayin'






Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread john fisher
Just in case anybody cares, it is also possible to use Flex Builder on
Linux.
Since I don't normally use any non-free software, and I do a lot of
Linux sys admin, thats good for me.
There are a few apps I can't duplicate, like Illustrator and Google
Sketchup and Rhino, but mostly I don't miss anything from Windows-land.
true I don't care about iTunes&music, but I do subscribe to podcasts. (I
don't do professional graphics or audio.)

In the last year or so the package system for Ubuntu has gotten mature,
so that software installation is just select and click.
It used to be a PITA sometimes. Most of the sys admin apps now work in
KDE, too. Theres a few things that still don't work, but in Linux you
can be pretty sure they'll be fixed. I like OSX, too, and used  DOS and
Windows since 1985.
just sayin'


RE: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Tim Rowe
I first switched to a Mac about 3 1/2 years ago, and have had a MBP as
my primary system for about 2 years now, though at my new job I've been
moved back to an XP box.  I'm still on the fence.
 
For development I still feel Windows XP wins hands down - especially
with multi-monitor set-ups.  Eclipse on Windows is still leagues ahead,
mostly due to the way windowing works on OSX - on OSX Eclipse just
doesn't really behave as well with docked/undocked windows.
I also find keystrokes to be an absolute pain in the butt on OSX - where
I might do something like shift-home on Windows the equivalent keystroke
on the Mac will convoluted.  Even after learing the keystrokes on a Mac
I feel efficiency in editors is far higher on Windows.
And then there's just general applications, which I find to be on
average far better for Mac.  Seriously, where's the Winamp equivalent
for OSX?  No, iTunes is definitely not it.
 
Flash dev on the other hand for some reason I find better on a Mac.  I
also like having a native *nix shell available to me.  Application
management/installation is often less painful or time-consuming.
 
I've pretty much decided at this point that my next replacement notebook
will be an XPS rather than a MacBook (a large factor was also Apples
recent .au price increases), though I'll likely keep using a Mac for a
number of tasks.
 
--Tim Rowe



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Haykel BEN JEMIA
Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2008 5:50 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?



Hi,

this is probably off topic, but I noticed that most of the screencasts I
watched about Flex are made on Mac OSX. Do most Flex developers work on
Mac? Are most developers in the USA using Macs (as most screencasts I
watched are done by people from the US)? Are their any advantages on
using a Mac instead of a PC for Web/Flex development? I'm just wondering
as I never used a Mac before.

-- 
Haykel Ben Jemia

Allmas
Web & RIA Development
http://www.allmas-tn.com  




 


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Guy Morton
That's not so true any more. I have lots of hard-core geek friends and  
many of them are moving to OSX because it's got unix under the hood,  
looks great, has a ton of open-source software available for it and it  
isn't Microsoft.


Those are pretty good reasons if you ask me, and yes, I've used both  
at different stages in my career.


Like others here, I use a VM (Parallels Desktop) to run windows when I  
need to test things under IE. I can also run up a quick Ubuntu machine  
using it if need be, It's a sweet setup, and one you can't duplicate  
on a Windows PC. It's the perfect web development setup because you  
get access to all the OSes in one well-designed package.


Guy


On 24/10/2008, at 7:42 AM, Paul Andrews wrote:



There's a split between the media/creative industry and those who do  
a real job, err I mean everybody else (that's a joke BTW).


Generally speaking Macs are to be found with media/creative/trendy  
types, but rarely outside that circle.


I've lived in a development environment and until I switched to  
Flash/Flex had only encountered two macs! Since moving to a flash  
environment I've seen loads of macs.


I'd like to have a MacBook though..

Paul
- Original Message -
From: Tracy Spratt
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

No, I do not.  Few, if any of my business clients do either.

Tracy



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
On Behalf Of James Douma

Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:55 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?



I've been using a MacBook Pro for some time now. I agree with Matt  
on all counts. I got one cuz you can run Windows + OS/X on it which  
is useful for testing.


I have to say I still don't get why people rave about them. It's  
just a computer. Its shiney and pretty and there are some features  
which are sorta nice (backlit keyboard,etc)  but nothing earth- 
shattering. Usability-wise I find it requires more from the user  
than Windows. It seems to be a Apple pattern to hide things from the  
user (I guess to reduce complexity of UI and hide dangerous  
functionality).


I really feel like I'm missing something ... like there's some yet  
undiscovered gems ... that have escaped my view. All my attempts to  
seriously explore why its so great by asking other Mac users have  
failed. It's almost as if the computer you use defines who you are  
as a person ... so anything thats exposed as a short-coming in the  
Mac is received as a personal attack. I don't know ... its very  
confusing to me why anyone would care that much one way or another.


Generally speaking I find all Actionscript/Flex develop to be much  
less problematic (and often runs faster) in my VMWare Windows  
installation than natively on the Mac.


 Thats my 2 cents



On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Brendan Meutzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


I made the switch in February and will never look back.  Don't  
listen to Matt ;-)






Brendan







On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs. One reason is because  
we have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway. Another is because  
we obviously build software for Macs, and in running Macs we can  
actually do tests on both Mac and Windows (via virtual machine). I  
was entirely a PC guy before I got my Mac about 15 months ago. I  
don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say it's more stable than my PC  
was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard shortcuts work and  
whatnot drives me up wall. My IDE is no longer Eclipse/Flex Builder  
but my email client and Word and PowerPoint, and I gotta say I like  
the Windows versions better than the Mac.


I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling  
reason to use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears  
others are using it. Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it  
hasn't made me a convert.


Matt



On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I recently switched to a MAC and love it.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979

OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My  
experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more  
straight forward to use. If you love to inker with your OS and  
hardware, go Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.


Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.

Alan
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:

Do most Flex developers work on Mac?




--
Brendan Meutzner
http://www.meutzner.com/blog/










Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Paul Andrews
There's a split between the media/creative industry and those who do a real 
job, err I mean everybody else (that's a joke BTW).

Generally speaking Macs are to be found with media/creative/trendy types, but 
rarely outside that circle.

I've lived in a development environment and until I switched to Flash/Flex had 
only encountered two macs! Since moving to a flash environment I've seen loads 
of macs.

I'd like to have a MacBook though..

Paul
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tracy Spratt 
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:50 PM
  Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?


  No, I do not.  Few, if any of my business clients do either.

  Tracy

   


--

  From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James 
Douma
  Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:55 PM
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

   

  I've been using a MacBook Pro for some time now. I agree with Matt on all 
counts. I got one cuz you can run Windows + OS/X on it which is useful for 
testing. 

  I have to say I still don't get why people rave about them. It's just a 
computer. Its shiney and pretty and there are some features which are sorta 
nice (backlit keyboard,etc)  but nothing earth-shattering. Usability-wise I 
find it requires more from the user than Windows. It seems to be a Apple 
pattern to hide things from the user (I guess to reduce complexity of UI and 
hide dangerous functionality). 

  I really feel like I'm missing something ... like there's some yet 
undiscovered gems ... that have escaped my view. All my attempts to seriously 
explore why its so great by asking other Mac users have failed. It's almost as 
if the computer you use defines who you are as a person ... so anything thats 
exposed as a short-coming in the Mac is received as a personal attack. I don't 
know ... its very confusing to me why anyone would care that much one way or 
another.

  Generally speaking I find all Actionscript/Flex develop to be much less 
problematic (and often runs faster) in my VMWare Windows installation than 
natively on the Mac.

   Thats my 2 cents

   

  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Brendan Meutzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  I made the switch in February and will never look back.  Don't listen to Matt 
;-)

   

   

  Brendan

   

   

   

  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs. One reason is because we have 
a lot of designers who use Macs anyway. Another is because we obviously build 
software for Macs, and in running Macs we can actually do tests on both Mac and 
Windows (via virtual machine). I was entirely a PC guy before I got my Mac 
about 15 months ago. I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say it's more stable 
than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard shortcuts work and 
whatnot drives me up wall. My IDE is no longer Eclipse/Flex Builder but my 
email client and Word and PowerPoint, and I gotta say I like the Windows 
versions better than the Mac.

  I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling reason to 
use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears others are using it. 
Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it hasn't made me a convert.

  Matt



  On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  I recently switched to a MAC and love it.

  On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979

  OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My 
experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more straight 
forward to use. If you love to inker with your OS and hardware, go Microsoft, 
for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.

  Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.

  Alan
  On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:

  Do most Flex developers work on Mac?





  -- 
  Brendan Meutzner
  http://www.meutzner.com/blog/

   

   

RE: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Tracy Spratt
No, I do not.  Few, if any of my business clients do either.

Tracy

 



From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Douma
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:55 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

 

I've been using a MacBook Pro for some time now. I agree with Matt on
all counts. I got one cuz you can run Windows + OS/X on it which is
useful for testing. 

I have to say I still don't get why people rave about them. It's just a
computer. Its shiney and pretty and there are some features which are
sorta nice (backlit keyboard,etc)  but nothing earth-shattering.
Usability-wise I find it requires more from the user than Windows. It
seems to be a Apple pattern to hide things from the user (I guess to
reduce complexity of UI and hide dangerous functionality). 

I really feel like I'm missing something ... like there's some yet
undiscovered gems ... that have escaped my view. All my attempts to
seriously explore why its so great by asking other Mac users have
failed. It's almost as if the computer you use defines who you are as a
person ... so anything thats exposed as a short-coming in the Mac is
received as a personal attack. I don't know ... its very confusing to me
why anyone would care that much one way or another.

Generally speaking I find all Actionscript/Flex develop to be much less
problematic (and often runs faster) in my VMWare Windows installation
than natively on the Mac.

 Thats my 2 cents

 

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Brendan Meutzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:

I made the switch in February and will never look back.  Don't listen to
Matt ;-)

 

 

Brendan

 

 

 

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote:

So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs. One reason is because we
have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway. Another is because we
obviously build software for Macs, and in running Macs we can actually
do tests on both Mac and Windows (via virtual machine). I was entirely a
PC guy before I got my Mac about 15 months ago. I don't mind the Mac,
but I wouldn't say it's more stable than my PC was, and the
inconsistency in how keyboard shortcuts work and whatnot drives me up
wall. My IDE is no longer Eclipse/Flex Builder but my email client and
Word and PowerPoint, and I gotta say I like the Windows versions better
than the Mac.

I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling
reason to use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears
others are using it. Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it hasn't
made me a convert.

Matt



On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:grumpee%40gmail.com> > wrote:

I recently switched to a MAC and love it.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:ultraky%40gmail.com> > wrote:

I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979

OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My
experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more
straight forward to use. If you love to inker with your OS and hardware,
go Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.

Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.

Alan
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:

Do most Flex developers work on Mac?





-- 
Brendan Meutzner
http://www.meutzner.com/blog/ <http://www.meutzner.com/blog/> 

 

 



Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Brendan Meutzner
lol... I never thought of a computer as a pen*s extender... good one James!
So I think I'll elaborate on why I like Mac in response.  I certainly
respect James' opinion and can see where he's coming from.  Like anything
else in the IT industry, you have people on both sides of the fence when it
comes to competing technologies.  I don't profess to be on the extreme side
of Mac, but will say the following:

1) I started by getting Mac Pro and the fact it has dual quad core
processors probably helped in my immediate satisfaction with performance.
 However, I noticed early on that the number of times the OS crashed had
reduced "dramatically".  I think it's frozen up maybe 3 times since I got it
back in February.  After years of PC use with weekly (if not daily) reboots
made this a discovery.  I've since gotten a Macbook Pro and again, no
crashing.

2) The thing I really noticed with the Macbook Pro (hardware similar to what
you'll get in any other laptop) was that performance with a large amount of
apps open at the same time was not degraded.  I can't say I've done any
comparison tests between app usage in windows, and now in mac, but I will
say that the perceived difference is huge.  I have everything but the
kitchen sink open at the same time and the machine doesn't falter this
is huge!

3) The interface did take some getting used to.  I was never a big "keyboard
shortcut" guy, but have adapted to make the most of the Mac.  I'm really
glad that it "forced" me into this because my wrists will thank me for
slowing the RSI inevitability in my future.  There's two sides to this of
course, windows made it very easy to navigate with the Mouse, but Mac has
made it a lot faster given a bit of "training".

4) Installation and upkeep of applications and drivers is a no brainer.  I'm
definitely not one of those guys who wants to know or tinker with what's
under the hood, so this is a big feature.  I suppose a lot of folks out
there are not in the same camp as me on this one, but if you are, you'll
love this about Mac.

5) As others have already pointed out in this thread, I have Windows if I
need it through VMWare.  I have it running pretty much constantly, but
admittedly never use it anymore.  The only reason I would is for testing or
use of an application (ie. quickbooks) which doesn't come on Mac.

6) Things just work... from application install, to drivers, to wireless...
it's all good.  I can't describe how many times it was next to impossible to
get wireless working on open networks at various conferences and locations.
 With Mac, it just does...  Maybe I'm just a dummy when it comes to this
though.

7) Horizontal wheel scrolling rocks... the mighty mouse took some getting
used to, but I love it now.


Things I find frustrating about Mac:

1) I mentioned the ease of interface above, but there are also things about
the OS which are frustrating.  It often seems like Apple is behind the times
on certain features which have been available in Windows forever (ie. resize
of windows on edges, not just bottom corner... mouse speed, etc..).
 However, I've found that most of these situations can be remedied through
prefPane apps or AppleScript routines.  It's not fun to have to install
these to get the functionality I want, but hey... I've already saved time by
not worrying about drivers and application installs so I'll take the trade
off.

2) Spaces is awesome, but also pretty funky sometimes.  I'm not sure if it's
issues with the particular applications, or with Spaces itself, but when
switching between them on different spaces it gets fugged up.

3) Macbook Pro specific: the trackpad blows... I put up with it when it
doesn't make sense to use a mouse, but I carry one with my constantly to use
when I can.  Multi touch is sorta useful, but cons outweigh pros.  It'd be
really nice if Apple came out with a similar feature to what Lenovo and Dell
have with the small rubber mouse thingy in the center of keyboard... I loved
that about my Thinkpad.

I'll finish this off by also saying that I don't seen the issues that others
do with FlexBuilder on Mac.  I've used it extensively on both Mac and PC now
and can't say that one is better than the other.  Also... I should
clarify... listen to Matt on everything else, just not his opinion on Mac
:-)


And that completes my 2 cents...


Brendan




On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:55 PM, James Douma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I've been using a MacBook Pro for some time now. I agree with Matt on
> all counts. I got one cuz you can run Windows + OS/X on it which is useful
> for testing.
>
> I have to say I still don't get why people rave about them. It's just a
> computer. Its shiney and pretty and there are some features which are sorta
> nice (backlit keyboard,etc)  but nothing earth-shattering. Usability-wise I
> find it requires more from the user than Windows. It seems to be a Apple
> pattern to hide things from the user (I guess to reduce complexity of UI and
> hide dangerous fun

Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread James Douma
I've been using a MacBook Pro for some time now. I agree with Matt on all
counts. I got one cuz you can run Windows + OS/X on it which is useful for
testing.

I have to say I still don't get why people rave about them. It's just a
computer. Its shiney and pretty and there are some features which are sorta
nice (backlit keyboard,etc)  but nothing earth-shattering. Usability-wise I
find it requires more from the user than Windows. It seems to be a Apple
pattern to hide things from the user (I guess to reduce complexity of UI and
hide dangerous functionality).

I really feel like I'm missing something ... like there's some yet
undiscovered gems ... that have escaped my view. All my attempts to
seriously explore why its so great by asking other Mac users have failed.
It's almost as if the computer you use defines who you are as a person ...
so anything thats exposed as a short-coming in the Mac is received as a
personal attack. I don't know ... its very confusing to me why anyone would
care that much one way or another.

Generally speaking I find all Actionscript/Flex develop to be much less
problematic (and often runs faster) in my VMWare Windows installation than
natively on the Mac.

 Thats my 2 cents

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Brendan Meutzner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>   I made the switch in February and will never look back.  Don't listen to
> Matt ;-)
>
>
> Brendan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>   So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs. One reason is because we
>> have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway. Another is because we obviously
>> build software for Macs, and in running Macs we can actually do tests on
>> both Mac and Windows (via virtual machine). I was entirely a PC guy before I
>> got my Mac about 15 months ago. I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say
>> it's more stable than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard
>> shortcuts work and whatnot drives me up wall. My IDE is no longer
>> Eclipse/Flex Builder but my email client and Word and PowerPoint, and I
>> gotta say I like the Windows versions better than the Mac.
>>
>> I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling reason
>> to use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears others are
>> using it. Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it hasn't made me a
>> convert.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I recently switched to a MAC and love it.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL 
>> PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979
>>
>> OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My
>> experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more straight
>> forward to use. If you love to inker with your OS and hardware, go
>> Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.
>>
>> Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.
>>
>> Alan
>> On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:
>>
>> Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Brendan Meutzner
> http://www.meutzner.com/blog/
>  
>


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Brendan Meutzner
I made the switch in February and will never look back.  Don't listen to
Matt ;-)


Brendan



On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs. One reason is because we
> have a lot of designers who use Macs anyway. Another is because we obviously
> build software for Macs, and in running Macs we can actually do tests on
> both Mac and Windows (via virtual machine). I was entirely a PC guy before I
> got my Mac about 15 months ago. I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say
> it's more stable than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard
> shortcuts work and whatnot drives me up wall. My IDE is no longer
> Eclipse/Flex Builder but my email client and Word and PowerPoint, and I
> gotta say I like the Windows versions better than the Mac.
>
> I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling reason
> to use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears others are
> using it. Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it hasn't made me a
> convert.
>
> Matt
>
>
> On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> I recently switched to a MAC and love it.
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979
>
> OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My
> experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more straight
> forward to use. If you love to inker with your OS and hardware, go
> Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.
>
> Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.
>
> Alan
> On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:
>
> Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
>
>  
>



-- 
Brendan Meutzner
http://www.meutzner.com/blog/


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Matt Chotin
So a lot of us on the Flex team now have Macs.  One reason is because we have a 
lot of designers who use Macs anyway.  Another is because we obviously build 
software for Macs, and in running Macs we can actually do tests on both Mac and 
Windows (via virtual machine).  I was entirely a PC guy before I got my Mac 
about 15 months ago.  I don't mind the Mac, but I wouldn't say it's more stable 
than my PC was, and the inconsistency in how keyboard shortcuts work and 
whatnot drives me up wall.  My IDE is no longer Eclipse/Flex Builder but my 
email client and Word and PowerPoint, and I gotta say I like the Windows 
versions better than the Mac.

I think if you are a happy Windows user and don't have a compelling reason to 
use a Mac you don't need to switch just because it appears others are using it. 
 Not saying the Mac is bad, just saying it hasn't made me a convert.

Matt


On 10/23/08 12:06 PM, "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I recently switched to a MAC and love it.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979


OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My experience 
with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more straight forward to 
use.  If you love to inker with your OS and hardware, go Microsoft, for a more 
straight forward enviroment go OSX.

Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.

Alan
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:

Do most Flex developers work on Mac?







Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Clint Tredway
I recently switched to a MAC and love it.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979
>
> OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My
> experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more straight
> forward to use.  If you love to inker with your OS and hardware, go
> Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.
>
> Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.
>
> Alan
> On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:
>
>  Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
>
>
>  
>



-- 
"When you choose hope, anything is possible."
-Christopher Reeve


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Alan

I use a mac, but I've been using Apple products since 1979

OSX is Unix based, and a lot of devs like the Unix- ish features. My  
experience with designing and developing on a mac is that it's more  
straight forward to use.  If you love to inker with your OS and  
hardware, go Microsoft, for a more straight forward enviroment go OSX.


Apple has an very large market share of US laptops - and gaining fast.

Alan
On Oct 23, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Matthew Shirey wrote:


 Do most Flex developers work on Mac?




Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Matthew Shirey
Like someone else already posted.  The main advantage to using OSX
instead of WindowsXP/Vista is that you spend more time actually
getting work done.  I spent fifteen years in various Windows boxes.  I
switched last year and I'll never go back.

-- Matthew

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Haykel BEN JEMIA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> this is probably off topic, but I noticed that most of the screencasts I
> watched about Flex are made on Mac OSX. Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
> Are most developers in the USA using Macs (as most screencasts I watched are
> done by people from the US)? Are their any advantages on using a Mac instead
> of a PC for Web/Flex development? I'm just wondering as I never used a Mac
> before.
>
> --
> Haykel Ben Jemia
>
> Allmas
> Web & RIA Development
> http://www.allmas-tn.com
>
>
> 


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Blair Cox
I use a Mac, however I¹m also coming from the graphic design / web
development side. I, a long time ago, was a diehard PC user. Actually I was
a technician, skilled in the art of fixing all things WinTel. Then one day,
kicking and screaming, I was introduced to the white computer with the
distinctive bitten apple logo. Reluctantly, over time, I came to the
understanding that I could actually get work accomplished without requiring
an A+ certificate, numerous Microsoft Certs or an on-call IT support team.
The damn thing just worked! Can you believe that? Amazing...

Actually, using the OSX operating system natively allows you to work with
files as they would appear in an Apache server. Being a Unix based OS
(closer relative, not distant cousin like Winx), you can do things that
would require extra software, patches, etc on Windows. Add in virtualization
and you can easily and efficiently run any OS in real time, switching at
will ­ and it doesn¹t break!

Sure Windows has it¹s place... As a virtual OS on my OSX desktop ;)


-- 
Blair 





From: Haykel BEN JEMIA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: 
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:49:58 +0200
To: 
Subject: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

 
 

Hi,

this is probably off topic, but I noticed that most of the screencasts I
watched about Flex are made on Mac OSX. Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
Are most developers in the USA using Macs (as most screencasts I watched are
done by people from the US)? Are their any advantages on using a Mac instead
of a PC for Web/Flex development? I'm just wondering as I never used a Mac
before.

-- 
Haykel Ben Jemia

Allmas
Web & RIA Development
http://www.allmas-tn.com


 




Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Johannes Nel
i use a mac, but alongside this i develop in windows using vmware, the
advantages of vm'ing is really what i am after, some people use ubuntu and a
vm others use pc in our team. the vm is the key, new developer joins, here
you go a complete setup environment. my environment gets a bit slow after
installing a bunch of crap for the last project, revert to snapshot.of
course several gig of memory is the needed here.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Josh McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   I do. And it's better for everything except Flex ;-)
>
> In all seriousness, I can't abide Windows, and the mix of real Unix plus
> all the Aqua goodness (not to mention various third-party tools like
> Textmate) more than make up for the (slightly) crappier quality in Builder
> and Eclipse on Mac.
>
> -Josh
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Haykel BEN JEMIA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> this is probably off topic, but I noticed that most of the screencasts I
>> watched about Flex are made on Mac OSX. Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
>> Are most developers in the USA using Macs (as most screencasts I watched are
>> done by people from the US)? Are their any advantages on using a Mac instead
>> of a PC for Web/Flex development? I'm just wondering as I never used a Mac
>> before.
>>
>> --
>> Haykel Ben Jemia
>>
>> Allmas
>> Web & RIA Development
>> http://www.allmas-tn.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."
>
> Like the cut of my jib? Check out my Flex blog!
>
> :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald
> :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> :: http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/
>
>  
>



-- 
j:pn
\\no comment


Re: [flexcoders] Do you use a Mac?

2008-10-23 Thread Josh McDonald
I do. And it's better for everything except Flex ;-)

In all seriousness, I can't abide Windows, and the mix of real Unix plus all
the Aqua goodness (not to mention various third-party tools like Textmate)
more than make up for the (slightly) crappier quality in Builder and Eclipse
on Mac.

-Josh

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Haykel BEN JEMIA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> this is probably off topic, but I noticed that most of the screencasts I
> watched about Flex are made on Mac OSX. Do most Flex developers work on Mac?
> Are most developers in the USA using Macs (as most screencasts I watched are
> done by people from the US)? Are their any advantages on using a Mac instead
> of a PC for Web/Flex development? I'm just wondering as I never used a Mac
> before.
>
> --
> Haykel Ben Jemia
>
> Allmas
> Web & RIA Development
> http://www.allmas-tn.com
>
>
>  
>



-- 
"Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."

Like the cut of my jib? Check out my Flex blog!

:: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald
:: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
:: http://flex.joshmcdonald.info/