Re: [Flightgear-devel] John: Church Fenton hangars need fixing?
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Has anyone thought about creating a program that can generate bridges from a database automatically? A lot of time can be saved with such program, and alignment problems like this will less likely to happen. The problem is gathering the information to populate the database :-) -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC2F see-through panel issue solved
Jim Wilson wrote: Here's a pretty much fixed version of the float plane model: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/dhc2f.ac.gz This appears to be almost identical to the model in current CVS. The pilot's viewpoint appears to be a bit closer. Before: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/DHC2_02.jpg After: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/DHC2_03.jpg Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
Chris Metzler wrote: I think this is a good idea. Even if it's just at the alpha/beta/ finished level. That part was already implemented but seems to have broken along the lines. The idea was this: fgfs --show-aircraft --min-status=production Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] which plib ???
Syd wrote: Just a question to all... After the issue with the dhc-2 panel , should I be modelling for the latest plib? The ' drawing order ' of objects with transparent textures is different ...so the .ac files have to be modified ... if that makes sense. I haven't found a way to make the models display correctly between the different versions. So should I start using the latest plib and hope everyone upgrades ??? P.S. ...redoing the dhc-2 gauges ...it should work with any plib version just more polygons to deal with :( One way do deal with this issue transparent to the plib version is to add an animation type containing just the names of the objects: animation object-namecanopy/object-name object-namehud/object-name /animation This orders the canopy to be drawn first and the HUD to be drawn after that. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC2F see-through panel issue solved
Jim Wilson wrote: The basic problem with the ac file is that model's data sets were being defined with both vertices and kids. Unfortunately I don't think the ac3d file spec itself explicitly says that a given obj data set must be a Group _or_ an Object but not both. But that is the way the AC3D program works, and that is why the editor was behaving so badly. This is a lesson for Blender users : Objects can be grouped together by being child of an Blender's 'Empty' entity but Objects shouldn't be made parent of other objects. 'Empty's can be stacked into a hierarchy ( Empty parent of Empty's ). -Fred ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] NASA Goes 'Down Under' for Shuttle Mapping Mission Finale
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Berndt schrieb: Culminating more than four years of processing data, NASA and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency have completed Earth's most extensive global topographic map. Great!!! To view a new fly-over animation of New Zealand on the Internet, visit http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ . The flyover is very disappointing. Our old DEM could easily create the same results. A bit more interesting is the high-res (4500x5800 pixel) shaded picture of New Zealand. But I wonder what the smoothed stuff around Milford Sound is. Probably it's due to shading/reflections of the radar beam. Milford Sound is a fjord, where you have drops from ~2000 Meters stright down to the sea! (Oh, and they have very tasty crayfish in there that I had the pleasure to catch while scubadiving...) When will be the secenery for New Zealand be created? So we can have a look at the data at Milford ourselfs. Ah, there's also an airport at Milfors Sound, that can be a great starting point: http://www.world-airport-codes.com/new-zealand/milford-sound-airport-4721.html (It must be a spectacular flight to and from Milford Sound) CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB3l65lhWtxOxWNFcRAnkqAJ4xiS5Q1Si00zZF6biWDAjLBpCP0ACfT4h+ sC+O307qZrK0aI4jpR1Z7Xo= =6/u0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Happy New Year
Curtis L. Olson wrote: 1. From June 1 through the end of the year, 103,201 copies of the windows version of FG were downloaded from the main FG ftp server. You can add 25.000 Windows copies from the German mirror - plus lots of Scenery ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
Erik Hofman wrote: Chris Metzler wrote: I think this is a good idea. Even if it's just at the alpha/beta/ finished level. That part was already implemented but seems to have broken along the lines. The idea was this: fgfs --show-aircraft --min-status=production No wait, this is the only option where the order is important. This does work: fgfs --min-status=production --show-aircraft Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: holes in dhc2f panel
* Syd -- Friday 07 January 2005 02:40: It is done in Blender , and the reason some parts disappear is they are parented together. ie... all cockpit components are grouped together so you can unselect 'cabin', and everything parented to the cabin also disappears. As you said: you have parented objects, not grouped them. Blender supported object grouping (select objects, then Ctrl-G), but this was apparently replaced by parenting. The ac3d exporter, however, was only prepared to do groups. It should now transform parented objects to ac3d's object groups. I'll annoy the author. m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Texture Stops Flightgear
Hi All Tonight I thought I would texture the tail of an aircraft I am in the process of doing.The tail consists of three objects.The vertical stabilizer,upper and lower rudder.So as not to have one side of the fin back the front I fragmented the three objects and then devided the fin into left and right and applied the textures.I then merged the three objects back into there individual objects and saved the file.I made no other changes to the model what so ever.When I went to start FG it got as far as the pip noise and there it stalled.I then went back and removed the texture for the vertical stabilizer and FG started just fine.Infact FG starts just fine if the texture is removed from either the fin or the upper rudder. Also if I group all three objects and apply the texture FG works fine except one side of the tail is back the front. Does anyone know what might be going on here and how it might be fixed. The objects are all textured off the one texture sheet in AC3D. I dont know what it is with vertical fins but I have nothing but trouble trying to get them textured. Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture Stops Flightgear
Innis Cunningham said: Hi All Tonight I thought I would texture the tail of an aircraft I am in the process of doing.The tail consists of three objects.The vertical stabilizer,upper and lower rudder.So as not to have one side of the fin back the front I fragmented the three objects and then devided the fin into left and right and applied the textures.I then merged the three objects back into there individual objects and saved the file.I made no other changes to the model what so ever.When I went to start FG it got as far as the pip noise and there it stalled.I then went back and removed the texture for the vertical stabilizer and FG started just fine.Infact FG starts just fine if the texture is removed from either the fin or the upper rudder. Also if I group all three objects and apply the texture FG works fine except one side of the tail is back the front. Does anyone know what might be going on here and how it might be fixed. The objects are all textured off the one texture sheet in AC3D. I dont know what it is with vertical fins but I have nothing but trouble trying to get them textured. Hi Innis, So long as the textures for the tail are all in the same texture file you should be ok. If you are starting at KSFO see if it matters which airport (maybe you are bumping against a limit?). Also, I'm not familiar with what is required with all the different cards, but IIRC odd numbered dimmensions on the texture file will not usually work. Hopefully this will help, otherwise post again with information on the texture file size and dimmensions, and the model video card. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747 PFD Problem
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:50:22 +0800, Innis wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Chris looks like what ever the problem was has now been fixed. But I will have to wait for the next release as I don't build from CVS. ..would this help get you started? You ofcourse need to recheck the paths to fit your own system, and I screwed it up, it needs all the cvs passwords entered. ;o) : [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mnt/sda2/local/src # cat rebuild-FlightGear-from-cvs #!/bin/bash ### ### # Copyright (c) 2005 Arnt Karlsen # Licensed under the GPL v2 # /usr/local/src/rebuild-FlightGear-from-cvs ### ### cd /usr/local/src/Plib/ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/plib login touch Plib-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/plib co plib cd Plib/plib/ # cvs update -d -P make clean # sh autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --exec-prefix=/usr/local make make install ### ### cd /usr/local/src/Open-AL/ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvs-repository login touch Open-AL-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/cvs-repository co openal cd openal/ # cvs update -d -P make clean sh ./autogen.sh # ./configure --help |less ./configure --enable-optimization --prefix=/usr/local make make install # cd /usr/local/src ### ### cd /usr/local/src/GLut/ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/freeglut login touch freeglut-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/freeglut co freeglut cd freeglut/freeglut/ # cvs update -d -P make clean sh autogen.sh # ./configure --help |less ./configure --with-x --enable-optimization --prefix=/usr/local \ --with-plib=/usr/local --with-threads make make install ### ### cd /usr/local/src/SimGear-0.3/ cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 login touch SimGear-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 co source cd source/ # cvs update -d -P # ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --exec-prefix=/usr/local make clean sh autogen.sh # ./configure --help |less ./configure --enable-optimization --prefix=/usr/local --with-jpeg-factory \ --with-plib=/usr/local --with-threads make make install ### ### cd /usr/local/src/FlightGear-0.9/ cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login touch FlightGear-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co data # cd source ;cvs update -d -P ;cd ../data/ ;cvs update -d -P ;cd - cd /usr/local/src/FlightGear-0.9/source/ make clean sh autogen.sh ./configure --with-x --enable-optimization --prefix=/usr/local \ --with-jpeg-factory --with-plib=/usr/local --with-simgear=/usr/local \ --enable-sp-fdms --with-multiplayer --with-threads make make install ### ### cd /usr/local/src/Atlas/ cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/atlas login touch Atlas-rebuilt-from-cvs-`date -u +%F+%H.%M.%S.%Z` cvs -z3 -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/atlas co Atlas cd Atlas/ sh autogen.sh # ./configure --help |less ./configure --with-x --with-plib=/usr/local make make install # terrasync --help # # fgfs --show-aircraft --fg-root=/mnt/sda2/local/src/FlightGear-0.9/data # fgfs --show-aircraft --fg-root=/mnt/sda2/local/src/FlightGear-0.9/data # |less # ### ### # # cd /usr/local/src/ClusterConf/ # cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs login # cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs checkout clusterconf # -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] NASA Goes 'Down Under' for Shuttle Mapping Mission Finale
Christian Mayer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Berndt schrieb: Culminating more than four years of processing data, NASA and the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency have completed Earth's most extensive global topographic map. Great!!! To view a new fly-over animation of New Zealand on the Internet, visit http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/srtm/ . The flyover is very disappointing. Our old DEM could easily create the same results. A bit more interesting is the high-res (4500x5800 pixel) shaded picture of New Zealand. But I wonder what the smoothed stuff around Milford Sound is. Probably it's due to shading/reflections of the radar beam. Milford Sound is a fjord, where you have drops from ~2000 Meters stright down to the sea! (Oh, and they have very tasty crayfish in there that I had the pleasure to catch while scubadiving...) When will be the secenery for New Zealand be created? So we can have a look at the data at Milford ourselfs. Ah, there's also an airport at Milfors Sound, that can be a great starting point: http://www.world-airport-codes.com/new-zealand/milford-sound-airport-4721.html (It must be a spectacular flight to and from Milford Sound) Not yet officially announced, but try: http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery-0.9.7.html Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC2F see-through panel issue solved
Martin Spott said: Jim Wilson wrote: Here's a pretty much fixed version of the float plane model: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/dhc2f.ac.gz This appears to be almost identical to the model in current CVS. The pilot's viewpoint appears to be a bit closer. Before: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/DHC2_02.jpg After: http://document.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/bitmap/FGFS/DHC2_03.jpg That's strange. Ac3d format does support the use of relative coordinates in kids so maybe something happened there. Looking over the model everything seems to be in the right place though. Also, when I load it into flightgear, the pilot eyepoint seems to be about right, maybe slightly high (6ft 5in pilot?) but correct as far as forward and aft. BTW did you notice that you're smooth shading appears to be turned off? Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] John: Church Fenton hangars need fixing?
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:55:58 +, Jon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..so slow down, these guys used PT19's. ;-) The alternative is to keep the gear up, and I'll do a model with *all* the doors open :-) ..daring. Combines changing the airfoil far enough to have those wheels protrude far enough to make those hangar wall skid marks. Would earn an interesting chew out. ;o) ..those Air Force boys preferred to leave airfoils and wingtip navlights intact. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747 PFD Problem
Innis Cunningham said: Thanks Chris looks like what ever the problem was has now been fixed. But I will have to wait for the next release as I don't build from CVS. Are you able to build from source though? There is a preview release out that is pretty good. Also there is a patch file on the flightgear download page which will get you from 0.9.6 to 0.9.8.pre2 with only 11mb download (as opposed to 89mb). Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] DHC2F see-through panel issue solved
Jim Wilson wrote: BTW did you notice that you're smooth shading appears to be turned off? I assume I never turned it on - I fear dropping framerates ;-) Did you notice this on the IRIX screenshot (DHC2_01.jpg) or FreeBSD (DHC2_02.jpg, DHC2_03.jpg) ? To me - despite the already discussed differences - they look pretty much the same, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] which plib ???
Syd said: Just a question to all... After the issue with the dhc-2 panel , should I be modelling for the latest plib? The ' drawing order ' of objects with transparent textures is different ...so the .ac files have to be modified ... if that makes sense. I haven't found a way to make the models display correctly between the different versions. So should I start using the latest plib and hope everyone upgrades ??? P.S. ...redoing the dhc-2 gauges ...it should work with any plib version just more polygons to deal with :( This has nothing to do with it. Your gauges look great. The transparencies go on the stack last (or at least after anything that must show behind them) unless there's a sort being done. If putting the transparency last in the file breaks something then there is a bug in plib, not your model. Manual fixed sorting as opposed to dynamically sorting is often problematic. Especially in the cases where you might be looking through multiple layers of alpha textures in different orders depending on viewpoint. If you manually sort and then someone runs a development version of plib that sorts dynamically you should still be fine (unless the plib algorithm is broken...which is not your problem :-)). Basically, the reason the transparencies need to be last (top of the stack) is the rendering starts at the top of the stack, last ac3d object is top of the stack (for that model). The renderer needs to know if there's an alpha object/texture _before_ processing the objects that are behind the alpha object so it can blend their colors in as it goes (which is what gives the glass effect). Normal behavior is to assume anything closer to the eyepoint simply obscures what is behind it which is why the guage faces disappeared when the panel glass came after the guages in the process. As I mentioned before, always keep in mind that the order of objects in the ac3d file is the opposite of the order they are rendered. That is why the alphas have to be after the objects behind them in the ac3d file. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] alpha layers
Hi all I guess my point was not understood .. Object order is apperently different in the latest plib... So visible objects that appear in the latest plib do not show in the previous version and visa vera So Im going with the latest plib until I figure out a solution. Syd ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Texture Stops Flightgear
Hi Jim Jim Wilson writes Innis Cunningham said: Hi All Tonight I thought I would texture the tail of an aircraft I am in the process of doing.The tail consists of three objects.The vertical stabilizer,upper and lower rudder.So as not to have one side of the fin back the front I fragmented the three objects and then devided the fin into left and right and applied the textures.I then merged the three objects back into there individual objects and saved the file.I made no other changes to the model what so ever.When I went to start FG it got as far as the pip noise and there it stalled.I then went back and removed the texture for the vertical stabilizer and FG started just fine.Infact FG starts just fine if the texture is removed from either the fin or the upper rudder. Also if I group all three objects and apply the texture FG works fine except one side of the tail is back the front. Does anyone know what might be going on here and how it might be fixed. The objects are all textured off the one texture sheet in AC3D. I dont know what it is with vertical fins but I have nothing but trouble trying to get them textured. Hi Innis, So long as the textures for the tail are all in the same texture file you should be ok. Yes it is one 1024 X 1024 texture of 350kb size If you are starting at KSFO see if it matters which airport (maybe you are bumping against a limit?). What limit are we talking about here. Also, I'm not familiar with what is required with all the different cards, but IIRC odd numbered dimmensions on the texture file will not usually work. Hopefully this will help, otherwise post again with information on the texture file size and dimmensions, and the model video card. Thanks for the help but what I dont understand is if I texture the whole vertical tail in one go that is selecting the fin and upper and lower rudder all together then I have no trouble running flight gear.But if I fragment the three objects and then select just the right or left side surfaces and texture them separately when I remerge them into their separate objects and go to start FG it stalls.The strange thing is if I go back into AC3D and set no texture for one of the objects eg the upper rudder then FG operates normally.What I dont understand is how if an object is textured or not prevents FG from working. I dont think it is to do with the video card as no other aircraft in FG has a problem and this aircraft only seems to have a problem when it is textured in a certain way. It is midnight here in Australia so I will pick this up in the morning. Thanks again for your help. Best, Jim Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] NASA Goes 'Down Under' for Shuttle Mapping
Christian Mayer wrote: But there's a scenery bug: The airport has 2 holes (fore some reason a river runs through it in the scenery) This happens from time to time, St. Auban in France (LFMX) is another exaple of a really funny (TM) airfiled :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 747 PFD Problem
Thank you Arnt and Jim I have tried to learn to compile from source and have succeeded once or twice using cygwin but it is a slow painfull process. While people here and elsewhere say how easy it is I at present dont find it so. On the otherhand I have no trouble maintaining 747,767, Airbus and the like. Engine runs autopilot problems even down to making sure your reading lite works when you fly. So I guess we all have our area's of skill. Jim Wilson writes Innis Cunningham said: Thanks Chris looks like what ever the problem was has now been fixed. But I will have to wait for the next release as I don't build from CVS. Are you able to build from source though? There is a preview release out that is pretty good. Also there is a patch file on the flightgear download page which will get you from 0.9.6 to 0.9.8.pre2 with only 11mb download (as opposed to 89mb). Best, Jim Cheers Innis ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:02:32 +0100 Erik Hofman wrote: No wait, this is the only option where the order is important. This does work: fgfs --min-status=production --show-aircraft Right, but doesn't this presume that they already have the aircraft installed? I just checked -- the min-status flag appears to act as a filter on the list of aircraft that you already have installed. So if you're looking at installing an aircraft from Curt's web page, you won't get that info until after you've installed it . . .hence the suggestion to include that info, at least in terse form, on the page. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgpyZ25YoE35E.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] TaxiDraw-0.3.0 released
On 1/6/05 at 5:11 PM Martin Spott wrote: David Luff wrote: TaxiDraw-0.3.0 is now released. It can be found at http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/taxidraw.html. Thanks, David, this release apperars to be very 'handsome' ! Here are 'your' binaries: ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TaxiDraw/README.strange-binaries ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TaxiDraw/taxidraw-0.3.0-FreeBSD.bz2 ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TaxiDraw/taxidraw-0.3.0-IRIX.bz2 ftp://ftp.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/TaxiDraw/taxidraw-0.3.0-SolSparc.bz2 Thanks Martin, I've now updated the web page. Cheers - Dave This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] alpha layers
Syd wrote: Hi all I guess my point was not understood .. Object order is apperently different in the latest plib... So visible objects that appear in the latest plib do not show in the previous version and visa vera So Im going with the latest plib until I figure out a solution. Hi Syd, I think what people are trying to say is there are ways (between ac3d and flightgear xml animation tags) to have complete control over the object ordering. You probably know all this, but here is why object sorting with alpha objects is important. When you draw a 3d scene, it's important that the nearer objects obscure the further objects. This can be done by drawing the objects from furthest to nearest, and just drawing over the top of whatever is already there. But sorting objects by depth is expensive and slow. What opengl does is maintain a depth buffer. The depth buffer is the same dimension as your screen size, so every pixel on screen has a corresponding entry in the depth buffer. For every pixel of every triangle of every object that is drawn on the screen, opengl computes the depth or distance from the viewer. The depth of that pixel is compared to the corresponding value in the depth buffer. If the new pixel depth is less than the existing value in the buffer, the pixel is drawn and the buffer is updated. If the new pixel depth is further than the existing value, the pixel is ignored. This can all be done in hardware in parallel to other operations so it is *very* fast. Now the problem comes with objects that have partially transparent objects. OpenGl doesn't check if a pixel is transparent when it renders it and always updates the depth buffer. (It has to do this because pixels could be partially transparent.) So if you draw a nearer partially transparent object before a further object, that further object may never get drawn (because of the depth buffer is already update for the nearer object) so the further won't be drawn and won't show through the transparency. The solution is to keep all your transparent objects separate, sort them from back to front, and draw them last in back to front order. If you are just dealing with transparent objects, usually the back to front sort is doable (unless there get's to be a ton of objects.) Plib separates out transparent objects and draws them last, but doesn't sort them. You can manually control the sort order with animation tags and by grouping and ordering objects within your AC file. But that isn't always a perfect solution because moving your view point can change the front to back sort order. Fortunately, cockpits are almost always viewed from a perspective that lets you precompute a sort order that works. If I understand your problem correctly, you just need to make sure that you sort your objects so that the instruments are drawn first before the panel, and all should work. If you do that, you shouldn't even need to build transparent holes in the panel. (There are a few other issues to consider as well ... There are cases where you can't actually compute a perfect front to back ordering ... 3 or more objects could form a chain to obscure each other, or objects could partially intersect. The ultimate solution is to break up your objects until there can be a perfect sort order, but in practice we try to avoid/ignore those situations and hope we never run into them or that they happen so infrequently or at such a distance from us, that the user will never notice.) Regards. Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
On Friday, 7 January 2005 11:09, Erik Hofman wrote: That part was already implemented but seems to have broken along the lines. The idea was this: fgfs --show-aircraft --min-status=production We were refering to the web page that Curt is putting up and not FG itself. Paul ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Database formats / interfaces
I am considering integrating your free software into some of our simulators here at Sikorsky Aircraft. Question #1. Can we use your API to drive your visuals from a SGI thru a UDP / Ethernet / shared memory mechanism ? Question #2 Can we convert or use any of our legacy Open Flight databases to run with Flight Gear ? Brian Brian Wach Senior Visual Systems Engineer Sikorsky Aircraft 6900 Main Street Stratford CT, 06615 Office 203-386-4344 Fax 203-386-3419 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
Chris Metzler wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:02:32 +0100 Erik Hofman wrote: No wait, this is the only option where the order is important. This does work: fgfs --min-status=production --show-aircraft Right, but doesn't this presume that they already have the aircraft installed? I just checked -- the min-status flag appears to act as a filter on the list of aircraft that you already have installed. So if you're looking at installing an aircraft from Curt's web page, you won't get that info until after you've installed it . . .hence the suggestion to include that info, at least in terse form, on the page. Ah, ok. I must have missed that. But since the information should be there already it can be added to the download page (It's in the -set.xml configuration file, just like the description). Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Database formats / interfaces
Wach, Brian SIK wrote: I am considering integrating your free software into some of our simulators here at Sikorsky Aircraft. Question #1. Can we use your API to drive your visuals from a SGI thru a UDP / Ethernet / shared memory mechanism ? Hi Brian, If I understand the question, you would like to connect the FG visuals to your simulator, correct? If so the basic network packet structure is public domain and you can do whatever you like. The API is essentially just sending packets over to FG so there's really no magical or complicated API to worry about. As long as you keep FG as a separate application from any of your proprietary code you should be fine. Question #2 Can we convert or use any of our legacy Open Flight databases to run with Flight Gear ? FlightGear's world scenery structure may or may not lend itself to that. Individual objects can be converted and placed in a relatively straightforward way (plib has some openflight support so you may be able to use your objects directly.) But in terms of the overall terrain and coordinate system, this could be a bit trickier depending on your your database is laid out. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] AI Chase View
Im trying to create a view to chase an AI aircraft. Im not sure how to specify the model index of the AI craft for the lookat code. If I specify index 0, the camera moves with the AI craft but is always facing the users plane. Heres a snippit: typelookat/type config from-model type=booltrue/from-model from-model-idx type=int0/from-model-idx eye-lat-deg-path/position/latitude-deg/eye-lat-deg-path eye-lon-deg-path/position/longitude-deg/eye-lon-deg-path eye-alt-ft-path/position/altitude-ft/eye-alt-ft-path eye-pitch-deg-path/orientation/pitch-deg/eye-pitch-deg-path eye-roll-deg-path/orientation/roll-deg/eye-roll-deg-path eye-heading-deg-path/orientation/heading-deg/eye-heading-deg-path at-model type=booltrue/at-model at-model-idx type=int0/at-model-idx //this points to the players plane. Bad. at-model-roll-damping type=double1.8/at-model-roll-damping at-model-pitch-damping type=double1.8/at-model-pitch-damping at-model-heading-damping type=double1.8/at-model-heading-damping target-z-offset-m type=double0/target-z-offset-m Thanks, Vance ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] John: Church Fenton hangars need fixing?
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:55:58 +, Jon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Arnt Karlsen wrote: ..so slow down, these guys used PT19's. ;-) The alternative is to keep the gear up, and I'll do a model with *all* the doors open :-) ..daring. Combines changing the airfoil far enough to have those wheels protrude far enough to make those hangar wall skid marks. Would earn an interesting chew out. ;o) ..those Air Force boys preferred to leave airfoils and wingtip navlights intact. ;o) Due to temporary boredom today I was playing with some visualisation code for the scenery database, and managed to draw this: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/testing/SceneryObjects.png It looks like rather a lot of objects when viewed like that! -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] John: Church Fenton hangars need fixing?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Stockill schrieb: Arnt Karlsen wrote: Due to temporary boredom today I was playing with some visualisation code for the scenery database, and managed to draw this: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/testing/SceneryObjects.png It looks like rather a lot of objects when viewed like that! What are those yellow and red spots in the sea? CU, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB3uqLlhWtxOxWNFcRApP2AKCRo6OaBE3g4Nh9+SCa0iqb6JumQACfWq2W rnpJk2BDEiZVmDNxCophsks= =UKhI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
On Friday 07 January 2005 07:35, Chris Metzler wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:48:27 +0200 Paul Surgeon wrote: It would be really nice if the level of development was listed as well as a brief description about the aircraft. That would help people decide whether they really want to download the aircraft or not. For example : --- Development level : Beta Description : This Airbus XYZ was built in 19xx. 2000 of them were build before production stopped in 19xx. Please note that the hydraulic system is not fully operational at this stage. I think this is a good idea. Even if it's just at the alpha/beta/ finished level. -c Wasn't this addressed via the status tag in the set files? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] which plib ???
On Friday 07 January 2005 09:07, Erik Hofman wrote: Syd wrote: Just a question to all... After the issue with the dhc-2 panel , should I be modelling for the latest plib? The ' drawing order ' of objects with transparent textures is different ...so the .ac files have to be modified ... if that makes sense. I haven't found a way to make the models display correctly between the different versions. So should I start using the latest plib and hope everyone upgrades ??? P.S. ...redoing the dhc-2 gauges ...it should work with any plib version just more polygons to deal with :( One way do deal with this issue transparent to the plib version is to add an animation type containing just the names of the objects: animation object-namecanopy/object-name object-namehud/object-name /animation This orders the canopy to be drawn first and the HUD to be drawn after that. Erik V. interesting - that hadn't occurred to me:) LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] John: Church Fenton hangars need fixing?
On January 7, 2005 03:57 am, Jon Stockill wrote: Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Has anyone thought about creating a program that can generate bridges from a database automatically? A lot of time can be saved with such program, and alignment problems like this will less likely to happen. The problem is gathering the information to populate the database :-) For that, you will need another program to: 1. scan the scenery and determine bridges' end points. 2. generate entries for bridges. The type of bridges that will be generated will base on the their lengths. 3. store the information into the database. 4. allow the user to edit various entries, so he/she can change the parameters for the bridge. For example, height, width, truss type, number and location of supports, color, etc. It is the job of scenery designers to alter entries afterward. Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Database formats / interfaces
Wach, Brian SIK wrote: I am considering integrating your free software into some of our simulators here at Sikorsky Aircraft. Question #1. Can we use your API to drive your visuals from a SGI thru a UDP / Ethernet / shared memory mechanism ? Question #2 Can we convert or use any of our legacy Open Flight databases to run with Flight Gear ? Brian Brian Wach Senior Visual Systems Engineer Sikorsky Aircraft 6900 Main Street Stratford CT, 06615 Office 203-386-4344 Fax 203-386-3419 Brian, I've been working on code that allows me to convert/generate models for the SPX-200/500 using TerraGear and FGSD for use in two of our sims. FGSD (http://fgsd.sourceforge.net) has an export method to output in text format using an offset UTM that gives you a useable coordinate system. I use a modified SimGear to write the SPX-200 macro format which is a little bit similar to the ascii version. I've actually flown a couple of models generated this way in our MD83 full flight sim. They're not useable for training *yet* but it only takes a few minutes or hours compared to a few months. Dale ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Individual aircraft downloads
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:12:01 + Lee Elliott wrote: On Friday 07 January 2005 07:35, Chris Metzler wrote: On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 19:48:27 +0200 Paul Surgeon wrote: It would be really nice if the level of development was listed as well as a brief description about the aircraft. That would help people decide whether they really want to download the aircraft or not. For example : --- Development level : Beta Description : This Airbus XYZ was built in 19xx. 2000 of them were build before production stopped in 19xx. Please note that the hydraulic system is not fully operational at this stage. I think this is a good idea. Even if it's just at the alpha/beta/ finished level. Wasn't this addressed via the status tag in the set files? Yes. But that doesn't directly help the potential downloader of an aircraft, since they can't look at that info without first downloading the aircraft -- unless it's incorporated into Curt's webpage somehow, which is what Paul suggested. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove snip-me. to email) As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized. - Chief Luther Standing Bear pgp6Uny4IXegA.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] alpha layers ...again
Hi all me again I understand about alpha layers and the drawing order , but the problem I had was it would work for one version of plib and not for another. I had to rearrange the object order in the ac file to get the gauges to show when I switched plib versions. Does the dhc-2 that Jim modified work with the standard plib ? Im redoing the gauges for the Beaver for testing ( I hate recompiling just to test this problem :) . And crossing my fingers.Trying to eliminate the transparent panel.If it works I can carry on with the Citation and B1900D. Anyway ... any other problems ,tips, optimizations would be helpful. I was trying to keep polygons to a minimum ... as some planes are barely flyable on my system especially the Concorde ( not sure why ). ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] FGNetFDM-time
G''day all. I''ve written a client that drives FG using the native-fdm I/O mechanism. For the ''time'' variable, I've tried entering zero, and then entering the value returned by (Win32's) GetTickCount() -- no difference. However, interestingly, I noticed that FG starts off at midnight (in its internal world time) but the time advances at a phenomenal rate. After a couple of minutes I actually see the sky lighten up, followed by the sun rising in the east. Sunset follows about 2 min later. What gives ?? -ivan ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
