Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I fixed the issue of the rotation of the radar screen (I transform now only the groundnet, but for the MP user radar returns, I set /instrumentation/radar/display-controls/rotate to true, and set the local user's orientation to the magnetic variation. Works like a charm!). I also shortened the LOC guideline texture so it only reaches the outer ring -- however, if the user offsets it to the max AND rotates it to a westerly heading, it can still extend slightly off the radar screen onto the data panel or exterior window area. If there is a more elegant solution to that (admittedly minor) issue, I welcome it. I still need some guidance on the problem of the wind-from heading. I am pulling /environment/wind-from-heading-deg and factoring in /environment/magnetic-variation-deg (and I remembered to account for wrapping around the 360-degree mark), and writing that back to a property I am calling /sim/atc/wind-from-display, which is the one used in the instrumentation xml file which puts it on the screen. No problem. The issue here is WHERE in the Nasal script (atc.nas) do I do this so that I can be sure that the displayed, magnetic wind heading is updated along with the raw /environment/wind-from-heading-deg? I mean, I could have it update once per frame, but that's a little silly, and besides I'm not sure how Nasal works in that I'm not sure where I'd put it even if that was what I wanted to happen. I see a bunch of initial parameters and then a bunch of function declarations but I don't see where this update would go or where it'd be called from. Should it go in a separate Nasal file? A little guidance on that would be great. Thanks, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: syd adams adams@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:17:23 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... It's looking good so far ... I haven't tested it yet myself , but if the guidelines are a separate texture , you can have them clipped my making the instrument the same dimensions as the radar screen ... cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu - Forwarded Message From: Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:00:05 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... I think you're referring to a ground-controlled approach or GCA. However, this is not what I'm referring to -- I'm simply talking about approach controllers vectoring their planes from the end of their STARS procedure toward the localizer of the active arrival runway. Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Since I can't say this with any definitiveness, though, I understand Syd's reluctance to make changes. I'll see if I can come up with any RL references. And, as I said, I'll also see what I can come up with by way of my own solutions. I guess I'm just not patient enough for that sometimes. :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:28:19 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
It's looking good so far ... I haven't tested it yet myself , but if the guidelines are a separate texture , you can have them clipped my making the instrument the same dimensions as the radar screen ... cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Hi Rob, Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? I suspect that adding specific features for a single simulator simply is not a design goal for this RADAR console. Think of it as a universal RADAR screen which happened to 'ship' the FlightGear MP interface as its first protocol frontend. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Hi Rob, It might be easier just to create a Java chat client directly. That should be pretty straightforward, though you might have to create yourself as an MP aircraft. -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Oooohhh, PRETTY! What is that a screenshot of? ATC aircraft v3 perhaps? Or a separate app meant to interact with FG MP as an ATC? This was an old screenshot of a standalone Java app, written by a FlightGear fellow, to serve as a RADAR screen for FlightGear. The layout is aimed at being conformant to EUROCONTOL's EEC Human-Machine Interface Reference System for En-Route Air Traffic Control (EEC report 292) - but it's far from implementing the entire reference. This application is capable of reading 'geospatial' data from different sources, like simple tab-separated text files or ESRI Shapefiles to render the countours of the surrounding terrain, lakes, control zones, any sort of tarmac as well as either Shapefiles or our well-known Apt.Dat format for point coordinates like navaids and fixes (not shown in the old screenshot). Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Is it GPL'd, and if so, do you have the source? I can actually work with Java a little :) ... in fact, I already have the JDK 1.6 installed on my FG box... Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net wrote: From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:18 AM Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Oooohhh, PRETTY! What is that a screenshot of? ATC aircraft v3 perhaps? Or a separate app meant to interact with FG MP as an ATC? This was an old screenshot of a standalone Java app, written by a FlightGear fellow, to serve as a RADAR screen for FlightGear. The layout is aimed at being conformant to EUROCONTOL's EEC Human-Machine Interface Reference System for En-Route Air Traffic Control (EEC report 292) - but it's far from implementing the entire reference. This application is capable of reading 'geospatial' data from different sources, like simple tab-separated text files or ESRI Shapefiles to render the countours of the surrounding terrain, lakes, control zones, any sort of tarmac as well as either Shapefiles or our well-known Apt.Dat format for point coordinates like navaids and fixes (not shown in the old screenshot). Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: Is it GPL'd, and if so, do you have the source? Even though it's not explicitly noted, the source is supposed to be licensed under GPL. As I understand, much has changed since the latest public version and because I'm not in hurry, I'll simply be going to wait until this partial rewrite is declared to be in a working state :-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Syd, syd adams wrote: does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) I know very little about FlightGear's ATC aircraft, even less do I know about how to use it. Note that this so-called OpenRADAR (we called it this way because we were short of better ideas for a nice name :-) takes a totally different approach and therefore is probably not a 'competition' to FlightGear's ATC aircraft. OpenRADAR does not depend on the huge infrastructure which is required to run FlightGear but, on the other hand, it also doesn't serve any of the features which are unique to FlightGear, like this live chatting stuff for example Instead, OpenRADAR is really meant to be a pure RADAR console for whichever simulation or real-life datagram protocol you'd like to write a parser frontend (just think of a FLARM reciever, for example, or maybe even EUROCONTROL's ASTERIX). Nothing less, but also nothing more. Thus, in order to be used with FlightGear or any other simulation, it's best complemented by a reasonable voice-communication tool, like FGCOM - or a real radio :-) In addition to that, OpenRADAR is also different from FlightGear's ATC aircraft in that it requires you to 'configure' every sector you'd like to monitor. For the sake of completeness, a closeup with fixes enabled: http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_closeup.png Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, Syd, syd adams wrote: does this mean I'm off the hook ? This one looks MUCH nicer :) I know very little about FlightGear's ATC aircraft, even less do I know about how to use it. Note that this so-called OpenRADAR (we called it this way because we were short of better ideas for a nice name :-) takes a totally different approach and therefore is probably not a 'competition' to FlightGear's ATC aircraft. OpenRADAR does not depend on the huge infrastructure which is required to run FlightGear but, on the other hand, it also doesn't serve any of the features which are unique to FlightGear, like this live chatting stuff for example Instead, OpenRADAR is really meant to be a pure RADAR console for whichever simulation or real-life datagram protocol you'd like to write a parser frontend (just think of a FLARM reciever, for example, or maybe even EUROCONTROL's ASTERIX). Nothing less, but also nothing more. Thus, in order to be used with FlightGear or any other simulation, it's best complemented by a reasonable voice-communication tool, like FGCOM - or a real radio :-) In addition to that, OpenRADAR is also different from FlightGear's ATC aircraft in that it requires you to 'configure' every sector you'd like to monitor. For the sake of completeness, a closeup with fixes enabled: http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_closeup.png Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Hi All, I don't necessarily see a dedicated radar view and ATC from Flightgear being mutually exclusive. There are times when you'd like to stick your head out the window to watch the aircraft land. This does bring extra complexities such as both programs needing to know air craft positions, perhaps resolvable with the help of a proxy. Maybe this is going over board. Regards George On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rob Shearman, Jr.rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Would it not be possible to add a chat client to it, which would be compatible with the MP network protocol? Obviously it would have to report position information, but that should be trivial enough to work out, shouldn't it? Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I think you're referring to a ground-controlled approach or GCA. However, this is not what I'm referring to -- I'm simply talking about approach controllers vectoring their planes from the end of their STARS procedure toward the localizer of the active arrival runway. Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Since I can't say this with any definitiveness, though, I understand Syd's reluctance to make changes. I'll see if I can come up with any RL references. And, as I said, I'll also see what I can come up with by way of my own solutions. I guess I'm just not patient enough for that sometimes. :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:28:19 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
Sounds like you guys know far more about the subject than I do . I'll see what I can do . The simplest idea I had was to overlay another transparent texture with a single line that could be rotated to the runway heading , but I dont know if that's suitable. Maybe a property enabled line could be added to the groundradar code extending from each runway , but that's more Jester's department :) Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: [...] Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Sort of this ? http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_large.png Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
Stuart Buchanan wrote syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) Ground Controlled Approach (GCA) or CCA on a carrier. Vivian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
Oooohhh, PRETTY! What is that a screenshot of? ATC aircraft v3 perhaps? Or a separate app meant to interact with FG MP as an ATC? Whatever it is, me likey!! :-') (::wiping drool off face now::) Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Martin Spott martin.sp...@mgras.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:41:50 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, Rob Shearman, Jr. wrote: [...] Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Sort of this ? http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_large.png Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
I spy a java icon... ;) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft,
I caught that too, hence my speculation at its being an entirely separate app. That would also theoretically mean I could delve into the source for it and hope to possibly understand some of it :) Looking forward to it, whatever it is... :) :) :) Cheers, -R. Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Jacob Burbach jmburb...@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:20:41 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, I spy a java icon... ;) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I think I know what your looking for , dont know if I like the idea , but it shouldn't be too difficult. You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? What comes to mind is a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. But there are several people tweaking it , so I thought I'd leave it alone. Im currently working on other things , but I'll see what I can do . Cheers On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Syd and Jester... How easy/difficult would it be to add a small detail to the radar scope view, which would be extended centerlines for the runways? Trying to use version 2 today, I ran into difficulty giving good localizer intercepts just trying to eyeball the extended lines, especially when zoomed out past the range where the runways were clearly visible. Also, if you are able to add this feature, I would most preferably like to see it in both version 1 and version 2 (if that's not asking too much, of course). Today I was using version 2, and while it was nice to have a full-sreen view of the live action, it made details on the scope a little illegible. We (the group of users participating in my MP event today) are hoping to make our gathering a monthly thing, so next month I can try version 1 instead and see if it's any better/easier. Thanks for your consideration. I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into this project, and all of the novelties you think to include! :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? Well I really think having separate window and scope views might make it easier to discern the details, particularly the callsigns and data blocks in the scope. So next time I do ATC I will switch back to version 1 and see if I have a better experience. a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. If the extended centerlines are difficult to do, a radial from the tower would probably be a close-enough approximation, although of course it would never be exact since very few runways extend on radials intercepting the tower :) :) :) It's a decent work-around for now. I know you have several other projects you're working on. Maybe there's someone else on the list already working on improving the ATC set? Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. Indeed. Of course there's some debate over the METAR info, whether it is in true or magnetic, and I think the consensus was that it's in true? This is the first simulator I've experienced with this level of detail given to such things, so I can't really weigh in. I know that the wind display atop the ATC2 screen does translate it, which is nice. I'm still way below the level where I can code these things on my own, but I might be at a point now where I can compare ATC1 and ATC2 and snip out the best bits into a cobbled-together version I like. Maybe I'll mess with that over the coming weeks and see where I end up. Thanks again for the audience. Sincerely, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: syd adams adams@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 6:06:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... I think I know what your looking for , dont know if I like the idea , but it shouldn't be too difficult. You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? What comes to mind is a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. But there are several people tweaking it , so I thought I'd leave it alone. Im currently working on other things , but I'll see what I can do . Cheers Thanks for your consideration. I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into this project, and all of the novelties you think to include! :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I know , Im sure you mean this as a training tool, and I'll play around with ideas , but I'd be interested in what you come with also. Cheers I'm still way below the level where I can code these things on my own, but I might be at a point now where I can compare ATC1 and ATC2 and snip out the best bits into a cobbled-together version I like. Maybe I'll mess with that over the coming weeks and see where I end up. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
