Re: [fossil-users] Why no EXE+DLL like SQLite?
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 11:47 PM wrote: > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:26:04 -0500 > From: Artur Shepilko > Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Why no EXE+DLL like SQLite? > > > project they are working on. Then they use TortoiseSVN to (mostly) commit > > changes to their documents, sometimes to fetch older versions. Many of > the > > users are now making almost daily commits, not just just when making > > official releases of their documents. > > Thank you for sharing this. > So the add/diff/branch/merge/pull SCM functionality is mostly > under-utilized or even remains unused. > The users do use add when they create a new document. But don't use branch/merge or diff features (SVN doesn't have pull). > Basically, the commit is used as an alternative Save. > Something like that. The pay-were DMS that was previously used had a GUI similar to TortoiseSVN, so the usage is very similar. > > For such a use-case it'd be more user-friendly if there would be some > kind of hook into the Save/Save As action (and perhaps Open) to allow > more transparent VCS interactions. > TortoiseSVN, as a Windows Explorer extension, goes halfway in that Open/Save dialogs summoned by applications are able to access SVN functions. Since the DMS worked this way as well, the users only had to adapt to slightly different details. Taking the further step would be nice. I don't know if/how this could be done. > > BTW, back in the days of OpenVMS, file versioning was supported by OS > itself, not sure if it has seen a huge demand, other than a need to do > 'purge' to clean up the directories. But in my experience it was > mostly an "Undo" feature, still the versioning was fairly transparent > to the ordinary user. VCS should be able to handle this much better if > it could be as much transparent to the user. > I recall some discussion about adding fsuser support to Fossil so this could be done. I don't remember if anyone actually implemented it. For MS Windows, it might be possible to borrow code from Samba to do this. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] This mailing list is now deprecated
Sorry, I re-checked my spam folder and the last one arrived Jul-24. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 1:35 PM, wrote: > Whoa, I still receive spam from this mail list. :( > While hard to track, I cannot say the same with the forums I use. > Of course, forums can be hacked and emails exposed, but that is rare and > targeting richer bounty. > The fossil forum is a click away. If you resist, then write a crawler to > retrieve the forum posts you desire. > Or the forum can push changes to a subscriber. > I prefer to leave them in the forum. > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Warren Young wrote: > >> On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Andy Bradford >> wrote: >> > >> > Thus said Warren Young on Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:45:09 -0600: >> > >> >>> Will this ever be enabled? I prefer email over web forum posting. >> >> >> >> How would you prevent spammers from using an email submission >> >> mechanism? >> > >> > Most mailing list managers prevent this by only allowing subscribers to >> > submit emails. I cannot recall the last time I saw spam sent to >> > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org… >> >> That’s not the problem described in the thread I linked you to: >> >>http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Problems-with-v3-9-0- >> entry-point-sqlite3-finalize-could-not-be-located-td85005.html#a85069 >> >> You only need to read the first post, not the whole thread. >> >> Fossil forums prevent that problem. >> >> > Gmail supports email aliases. >> >> If you’re speaking of the free Gmail product, it only supports the >> user+...@example.com style, which fools no spammer. They just strip the >> +ext bit off. >> >> If you mean G Suite, you only get 30 of them per account. I run the mail >> server for my personal domains, and I have 240 aliases on my main email >> account. You want lots of aliases because it allows you to have unique >> email addresses for any site whose security you are not entirely certain >> about. >> >> I wish I’d created *more* aliases, in fact, because my real email address >> gets most of the spam I receive, by far, suggesting that I should have >> hidden it more often. >> >> >> If we don't solve that problem first, we'll be right back in much the >> >> same mess as today. >> > >> > Replacing a mailing list with a web forum seems to simply trade one set >> > of problems for another. >> >> Every choice worth spending thought on has tradeoffs. >> >> drh has made his choice. I don’t think you’re going to sway him on this. >> >> > I'm on dozens of other public mailing lists >> > that get a lot more traffic than Fossil Users does and there seems to be >> > no problems there… >> >> Roughly 80-90% of mail traffic is spam, but that’s not a problem? >> >>https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/2175 >> >> > Why don't we leave both in place and see what people prefer to use? >> >> I made that very suggestion earlier. >> >> > Those who are willing to live with the problems that come with email >> > will express their preference by continuing to use email. >> >> Some of the burdens fall on drh, rather than on the users of the mailing >> list, so he has some say in how all of this goes. >> >> > Is the web forum now moderated? >> >> Yes, from day 1. I am one of the moderators. >> >> > Does it help? >> >> No spam has made it into the forum blockchain yet. >> >> I also haven’t seen anyone attempt to spam the forum. If it never >> happens, that’s fine with me. >> ___ >> fossil-users mailing list >> fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org >> http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users >> > > ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] This mailing list is now deprecated
Whoa, I still receive spam from this mail list. :( While hard to track, I cannot say the same with the forums I use. Of course, forums can be hacked and emails exposed, but that is rare and targeting richer bounty. The fossil forum is a click away. If you resist, then write a crawler to retrieve the forum posts you desire. Or the forum can push changes to a subscriber. I prefer to leave them in the forum. On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Warren Young wrote: > On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Andy Bradford > wrote: > > > > Thus said Warren Young on Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:45:09 -0600: > > > >>> Will this ever be enabled? I prefer email over web forum posting. > >> > >> How would you prevent spammers from using an email submission > >> mechanism? > > > > Most mailing list managers prevent this by only allowing subscribers to > > submit emails. I cannot recall the last time I saw spam sent to > > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org… > > That’s not the problem described in the thread I linked you to: > >http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Problems-with-v3-9- > 0-entry-point-sqlite3-finalize-could-not-be-located-td85005.html#a85069 > > You only need to read the first post, not the whole thread. > > Fossil forums prevent that problem. > > > Gmail supports email aliases. > > If you’re speaking of the free Gmail product, it only supports the > user+...@example.com style, which fools no spammer. They just strip the > +ext bit off. > > If you mean G Suite, you only get 30 of them per account. I run the mail > server for my personal domains, and I have 240 aliases on my main email > account. You want lots of aliases because it allows you to have unique > email addresses for any site whose security you are not entirely certain > about. > > I wish I’d created *more* aliases, in fact, because my real email address > gets most of the spam I receive, by far, suggesting that I should have > hidden it more often. > > >> If we don't solve that problem first, we'll be right back in much the > >> same mess as today. > > > > Replacing a mailing list with a web forum seems to simply trade one set > > of problems for another. > > Every choice worth spending thought on has tradeoffs. > > drh has made his choice. I don’t think you’re going to sway him on this. > > > I'm on dozens of other public mailing lists > > that get a lot more traffic than Fossil Users does and there seems to be > > no problems there… > > Roughly 80-90% of mail traffic is spam, but that’s not a problem? > >https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/2175 > > > Why don't we leave both in place and see what people prefer to use? > > I made that very suggestion earlier. > > > Those who are willing to live with the problems that come with email > > will express their preference by continuing to use email. > > Some of the burdens fall on drh, rather than on the users of the mailing > list, so he has some say in how all of this goes. > > > Is the web forum now moderated? > > Yes, from day 1. I am one of the moderators. > > > Does it help? > > No spam has made it into the forum blockchain yet. > > I also haven’t seen anyone attempt to spam the forum. If it never > happens, that’s fine with me. > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users > ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] This mailing list is now deprecated
On Aug 10, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Andy Bradford wrote: > > Thus said Warren Young on Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:45:09 -0600: > >>> Will this ever be enabled? I prefer email over web forum posting. >> >> How would you prevent spammers from using an email submission >> mechanism? > > Most mailing list managers prevent this by only allowing subscribers to > submit emails. I cannot recall the last time I saw spam sent to > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org… That’s not the problem described in the thread I linked you to: http://sqlite.1065341.n5.nabble.com/Problems-with-v3-9-0-entry-point-sqlite3-finalize-could-not-be-located-td85005.html#a85069 You only need to read the first post, not the whole thread. Fossil forums prevent that problem. > Gmail supports email aliases. If you’re speaking of the free Gmail product, it only supports the user+...@example.com style, which fools no spammer. They just strip the +ext bit off. If you mean G Suite, you only get 30 of them per account. I run the mail server for my personal domains, and I have 240 aliases on my main email account. You want lots of aliases because it allows you to have unique email addresses for any site whose security you are not entirely certain about. I wish I’d created *more* aliases, in fact, because my real email address gets most of the spam I receive, by far, suggesting that I should have hidden it more often. >> If we don't solve that problem first, we'll be right back in much the >> same mess as today. > > Replacing a mailing list with a web forum seems to simply trade one set > of problems for another. Every choice worth spending thought on has tradeoffs. drh has made his choice. I don’t think you’re going to sway him on this. > I'm on dozens of other public mailing lists > that get a lot more traffic than Fossil Users does and there seems to be > no problems there… Roughly 80-90% of mail traffic is spam, but that’s not a problem? https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/2175 > Why don't we leave both in place and see what people prefer to use? I made that very suggestion earlier. > Those who are willing to live with the problems that come with email > will express their preference by continuing to use email. Some of the burdens fall on drh, rather than on the users of the mailing list, so he has some say in how all of this goes. > Is the web forum now moderated? Yes, from day 1. I am one of the moderators. > Does it help? No spam has made it into the forum blockchain yet. I also haven’t seen anyone attempt to spam the forum. If it never happens, that’s fine with me. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] This mailing list is now deprecated
Thus said Warren Young on Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:45:09 -0600: > > Will this ever be enabled? I prefer email over web forum posting. > > How would you prevent spammers from using an email submission > mechanism? Most mailing list managers prevent this by only allowing subscribers to submit emails. I cannot recall the last time I saw spam sent to fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org... > I've got an email address that got onto the spamners' lists despite > only ever being published in a short-run book distributed to about 50 > people. If your concern is that email addresses are being harvested, most mailing list managers have the ability to hide sender email addresses. Few of the mailing lists I'm subscribed to use this feature, but it does exist. I believe even Fossil tried to use it once, but the general feedback was that nobody liked it. A better solution is for the subscriber to simply use a different email address for the mailing list---even Gmail supports email aliases. > If we don't solve that problem first, we'll be right back in much the > same mess as today. Replacing a mailing list with a web forum seems to simply trade one set of problems for another. I'm on dozens of other public mailing lists that get a lot more traffic than Fossil Users does and there seems to be no problems there... Why don't we leave both in place and see what people prefer to use? Those who are willing to live with the problems that come with email will express their preference by continuing to use email. > Moderation doesn't help. Someone could weed the current mailing list > archives, too. Is the web forum now moderated? Does it help? Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 40005b6d9114 ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
