Re: Apple Command character in FrameMaker Windows?

[Paul Findon]

On 21 Feb 2006, at 04:59, Pat Christenson wrote:

Oops, my mistake. I'm so used to typing bullets. I need to create the 
Apple command character.


I don't think you can on Windows because it's a special character 
included in some of the fonts bundled with the Mac OS.


One solution would be to create an EPS of it on a Mac and use that as 
an inline graphic in Windows FrameMaker.


Paul
http://www.infopage.net/fmforosx/

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Re: File Management Question

[John Huntington]

thanks for the detailed reply!

John


Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:. . .

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RE: What is with the list?

[Diane Gaskill]

Bodvar,

In my experience on this list since 1992, there are occasional periods of
quiet and also  periods of considerable traffic.  I'd guess that it depends
on deadlines and other things going on in people's lives.  It's generally
quieter around holidays.  While I do not know the actual demographics of the
list, I do know that a lot of the 4500 or so members do live and work in the
USA.

Diane Gaskill

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Thanks,

At least my e-mail is coming through. :-)

Bodvar

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 Without making an assumption that FrameMaker users reside and work
 primarily in the U.S.A., this is a long holiday weekend in the States,
 so it certainly would account for a large reduction in queries and
 banter on the list. I don't remember if I saw posts yesterday after our
 weekend.


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 I haven't had an e-mail from the list since the 15th. What happened?
 Will this e-mail get through? Or maybe everyone's problem is solved?

 Please respond directly to me and not to the list only.

 Best regards,

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Re: What is with the list?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Quite. But we had a fairly recent change of list servers, so that
makes me somewhat more cautious, I guess. Next time, I will be quiet
for 3 (three) days (plus the weekend). ;-)

Bodvar.

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 Bodvar,

 In my experience on this list since 1992, there are occasional periods of
 quiet and also  periods of considerable traffic.  I'd guess that it depends
 on deadlines and other things going on in people's lives.  It's generally
 quieter around holidays.  While I do not know the actual demographics of the
 list, I do know that a lot of the 4500 or so members do live and work in the
 USA.

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Converting Interleaf files to FrameMaker

[Scott Abel]

Does anyone know of a tool that can convert Interleaf to Framemaker? 
Please respond directly as I get the list in digest mode and I won't 
get another until tomorrow! Thanks.


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Re: Internal Xref in IDX

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:02:20 -0800, donandjudy1 
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Has anybody ever used the $nopage index variable?

Yes, constantly.

Do any of you sharing mentors have some sort of solution 
to this glitch?

Yes, I'll second Shlomo's answer: IndexRef from Sundorne,
a $US 25 ($CDN 28) plugin we couldn't live without:
  http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/IndexRef/indexref.htm

HTH!

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find special characters

[Rainbow Zhang]

hi all:
I am new to the forum, also I am so glad to join it.
But now I have a question. I don't how to find special characters like ? 
?quot; in fm files.

Much help appreciated.

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Portrait landscape in a singlr document ??

[Ankur SRIVASTAVA]

Hi,

I have a small query that whether a portrait and a landscape page can be 
included in the same document 
I suppose, it is easier to include them in a book..

Regards
ankur

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SOLVED – Those 'ol cross-reference blues

[pearlrosenberg]

Thanks to all who suggested solutions to my unresolved cross-
references problem. 

As several suggested, it was not the cross-references but the missing 
fonts (and attendant messages)that were causing the problem. As soon 
as I deselected the Remember Missing Fonts check box, my problem was 
solved.

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RE: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Ridder, Fred]

I think what you'll need to do is import all three generated tables
into a container file that is not a generated file. For example, you
might have a non-generated book component called FrontMatter.fm
that has the headings for the TOC, LOF, and LOT, but which 
includes the actual listings for each as a text inset. The actual 
generated files would be included in the book file as the last three
items so that you can easily exclude them when it comes time to 
print the book.  

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Subject: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this
particular question.

What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they
would be at the end, each under a heading saying List of Tables and
List of Figures respectively.

I seem to remember that you're supposed to put the headings into the TOC
and then import the files.

Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear
and the lists are printed before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to
make any difference whether I put in a page break before the headings.

I'm not sure what to try next.

Any help is appreciated.

Does anyone remember me from RadiSys a few years ago? You guys were a
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RE: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Anne Robotti]

Fred Ritter wrote:
 I think what you'll need to do is import all three generated tables
 into a container file that is not a generated file. For example, you
 might have a non-generated book component called FrontMatter.fm
 that has the headings for the TOC, LOF, and LOT, but which
 includes the actual listings for each as a text inset. The actual
 generated files would be included in the book file as the last three
 items so that you can easily exclude them when it comes time to
 print the book.

Fred, how would I handle the master pages? I don't want any blank pages
in the middle of the TOC, LOF and LOT, but the TOC length keeps changing
and I don't want to keep switching the master pages manually.

This is so frustrating because I *know* I've done this before with no
manual upkeep, I just can't remember how.

Thanks for your help, and keep the suggestions coming everybody!

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RE: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Grant Hogarth]

There are a couple of ways to do this, Anne.

Method 1 (Easier, but less elegant)
In your book, move the generated lists to immediately after the
TOC. Then in the book setup, set the geenerated files to continue the
settings of the previous file for page  chapter numbering.  The only
downside to this is that they will start at the top of a new page, no
matter how much white space is left before.

Method 2
In your book, move the generated lists to the very front of the
book, so they get generated first. Set the flows for these files to be
some value greater than A (or whatever the flowname value is for the
TOC -- A is the default). Then insert the contents of the files as
text inserts following the TOC contents.  

Grant

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Subject: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this
particular question.

What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they
would be at the end, each under a heading saying List of Tables and
List of Figures respectively.

I seem to remember that you're supposed to put the headings into the TOC
and then import the files.

Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear
and the lists are printed before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to
make any difference whether I put in a page break before the headings.

I'm not sure what to try next.

Any help is appreciated.

Does anyone remember me from RadiSys a few years ago? You guys were a
HUGE help to me back then!
 
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Technical Writer
Journal Register Company
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C-Ph:(609) 902-3676
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Re: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Art Campbell]

You could just add them to the book file after the TOC and set up the
pagination so they appear to be part of the TOC? They would break to a
new page, but that shouldn't be a big deal; your LOT/LOF headings
should probably be primary heads anyway...

If you did want to incorporate them into one file and intentionally
run them on so the end of one would be on the same page with the next,
set up one meta file that would be a container. Then import all three
files: TOC, LOF, and LOT.

I think in either case, your headings would be in the parent/source
file. If you insert the heading, save the file, and update, they
should stay in place.

Art

On 2/21/06, Anne Robotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this 
 particular question.

 What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they would be 
 at the end, each under a heading saying List of Tables and List of 
 Figures respectively.



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CareerBuilder

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...for reasons I cannot go into in the event that others from
my company read this list, my position is being eliminated in about
1.5 weeks. I'd be happy to discuss off-list.

I've been a frequent user of Dice and less so with Monster. I'd like
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RE: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Anne Robotti]

Grant Hogarth wrote:

 Method 2
   In your book, move the generated lists to the very front of the
 book, so they get generated first. Set the flows for these files to be
 some value greater than A (or whatever the flowname value is for the
 TOC -- A is the default). Then insert the contents of the files as
 text inserts following the TOC contents.

I just wanted to update the group to say that a modification of this
turned out to be the ticket.

I set the flows for the LOT and LOF to B. 
I inserted the files by reference at the end of the TOC, and set them to
automatically update when the book was generated.
I didn't have to move them to the front of the book.

I think changing the name of the flow was what did the trick.

Thanks Grant, and thanks everyone else who called or emailed me
privately.

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RE: Internal Xref in IDX

[Grant Hogarth]

Hello Don.
1) I use this variable all the time for producing HTML Help material, as
page number references are irrelevant in that format.  

2) WRT the See/See Also references, I would look at either placing all
of these links at the start of the INDEX, or doing a SR to clean out
all the see/see also links. You *could* insert or edit all those links
by hand, but that would be a pain.

Beyond that, I think you are into FrameScript territory.

Grant

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Dear Framer Folks:

Has anybody ever used the $nopage index variable?

It's a good thing and a bad thing. When put into an index ref it will
generate whatever text you designate, usually see also . . .  This
saves unnecessary duplication of entries, e.g. Utility knife/Knife,
utility.

BUT the actual link that's created links back to wherever the marker
resides within the book text. This effect would be confusing for digital
readers.
They would want to go to that section of the Index referred to in the
entry text.

Do any of you sharing mentors have some sort of solution to this glitch?

Grateful in advance,

~ Don Spencer
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CareerBuilder

[John Posada]

(never saw this hit the site, so I'm resending)

Hi, guys...for reasons I cannot go into in the event that others from
my company read this list, my position is being eliminated in about
1.5 weeks. I'd be happy to discuss off-list.

I've been a frequent user of Dice and less so with Monster. I'd like
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...and yes, I'm available in about two weeksbut that's not the
purpose of this post.


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Re: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[rebecca officer]

 Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear and the 
 lists are printed before my TOC headings. 

Yep - text before the actual TOC is preserved. Text after the TOC is not 
preserved.

The easiest approach is to make each generated file a separate file in a book. 
But that forces each file to start at the top of a page. If you can't have 
that, try making a container file and importing all three generated files 
into it - first the TOC, then the other two. To get the page numbering 
completely correct, you may have to update a couple of times, but I think it 
should be workable.

Cheers, Rebecca

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FM Extension for Google Desktop Search ???

[Art Campbell]

Anyone heard of, or have a lead, on one?

Art

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Re: automating documentation builds

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Martha:

Is it possible that intermediate files created by the process are not 
complete, aren't renamed,  or do not appear complete or in the 
location where or when subsequent operations expect them?


If the whole process works correctly locally on one machine, the 
problems may be due to this network latency.


At 3:50 PM -0800 2/21/06, Martha J Davidson wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'm in the process of automating the doc build process, creating 
both help (using WebWorks AutoMap) and PDFs. I'm using FM 7.2 and 
WWP2003, version 8.6, along with some custom FrameScripts written 
for my company by Rick Quatro. This runs on WinXP Pro, fully 
patched, with 1GB of memory.


I'm doing only the simplest commands, as far as I can tell: using a 
Windows batch file to check source files out of CVS to a brand-new 
directory, running a FrameScript to set conditional text properly 
for each of the chapters in a book file that includes chapters from 
each of my other books, and then calling WebWorks using the wpuba 
command-line interface from AutoMap. These commands are about the 
first third of my script.


Each command works fine by itself. When I run this portion of the 
script sequentially, FM crashes (with a dialog box listing error 
codes and the suggestion to read the log file for more information). 
I'm trying to figure out what's causing the crash. Initially, it 
happened partway through the FrameScript, running with RunEslBatch. 
When I saw that it happened on the same files consistently, I opened 
each of those files, re-saved them and checked them back into CVS. 
Now the crash happens about 70% of the way through the WebWorks help 
generation.


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Svar: Framers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 13 (Ferie / Vacation)

[Lisbeth Nielsen]

Jeg holder fri til den  27. februar. Jeg ville ikke kunne checke
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Apple Command character in FrameMaker Windows?

[Paul Findon]

On 21 Feb 2006, at 04:59, Pat Christenson wrote:

> Oops, my mistake. I'm so used to typing bullets. I need to create the 
> Apple command character.

I don't think you can on Windows because it's a special character 
included in some of the fonts bundled with the Mac OS.

One solution would be to create an EPS of it on a Mac and use that as 
an inline graphic in Windows FrameMaker.

Paul

File Management Question

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On 2/20/06, John Huntington  wrote:
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:
> > Odd. What does the Book file say? I am not quite clear based on your
> > earlier post what is the problem.
> >
--- snipped ---
>
> Basically, I've been doing a lot of work on a book, and I cut a bunch of
> chapters.   What I was calling the "data" directory is the folder where
> I'm keeping all the FM files related to the book.  What I want to do is
> sort out that folder in some way so I can move the old, unused files to
> a "dead" director.  Mr. Ridder suggested that I run the update, and that
> would open, close, and save each file, and then I could just do a
> windows sort and move the older dated file.  Unfortunately, though,
> since I hadn't made any edits, only the TOC and LOF files changed.   I
> eventually went through and opened every file manually, changed one
> character, changed it back, and then closed it, and then manually purged
> out the data directory.  I'd just like to do this in some more automated
> way.  And I did remove the files from the book from within the book
> file,  but they apparently just get abandoned in the folder.
>

Of course. The book file is only a file of references and some rules
on what to do with each file regarding numbering, printing etc., but
not about actually deleting the files. So, when you want to delete a
file, you will have to do so "directly" on the file.

If you want to move it out of the "active" directory, the book file
can handle it on a file-by-file basis by renaming the files from
within the book file. This also takes care of cross-refs and other
links, so it will take some time, as for each file you want to rename,
the book file checks all members (files) of the book file.

I usually make a new folder for each new revision to a book that I
make and put in there all the files of the book that I have to amend.
Then I make a new book file and populate it with all current files,
whichever directo

You could make a folder marked "DeletedFiles" or the like (if this is
a one time change) and move (without the intervention of the book
file) the files you want out of the book, but for some reason still
want to keep, to this folder. Then, delete from the book file all that
come up with a question mark.

Every new file you add to the book, you add more or less manually. You
can select a group of files and import these into the book file, but
then you will have to arrange them by hand afterwards.

No automatic way of doing it here, I think, in an automatic way
through FrameMaker, although moving the files to a different
directory, or marking these files in some way for moving might be done
with some sort of FrameScript. I am new to FrameScript, but I think a
helpful script could be made. However,  I doubt that this would be
much more productive than to (as suggested by others) just using the
method described above or the time stamp of the files. If you do some
changes to your files in the book, their time stamp should change, and
then, all files older than that time stamp could be moved to a
different directory. Even if some files that you wanted to keep in the
book followed, you could instantly see this in the book file (the
question marks indicating a missing link) and move these back.

In your case, it seems that you did no changes (until you "faked"
some) other than removing files from the book. In this case no time
stamp changes took place, so moving the files would have to be handled
"manually".

The only really automatice way of doing this will cost an arm and a
leg (and would not make sense for a small publication): Content
Management Systems. As I understand, there all files are dealt with in
sort of a database. Have a look at e.g. http://www.siberlogic.com.

Bodvar

File Management Question

[John Huntington]

thanks for the detailed reply!

John

 >>>
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote:. . .

Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Anne Robotti]

I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this particular 
question.

What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they would be 
at the end, each under a heading saying "List of Tables" and "List of Figures" 
respectively.

I seem to remember that you're supposed to put the headings into the TOC and 
then import the files.

Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear and the 
lists are printed before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to make any 
difference whether I put in a page break before the headings.

I'm not sure what to try next.

Any help is appreciated.

Does anyone remember me from RadiSys a few years ago? You guys were a HUGE help 
to me back then!

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What is with the list?

[Diane Gaskill]

Bodvar,

In my experience on this list since 1992, there are occasional periods of
quiet and also  periods of considerable traffic.  I'd guess that it depends
on deadlines and other things going on in people's lives.  It's generally
quieter around holidays.  While I do not know the actual demographics of the
list, I do know that a lot of the 4500 or so members do live and work in the
USA.

Diane Gaskill

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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:09 AM
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Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is with the list?


Thanks,

At least my e-mail is coming through. :-)

Bodvar

On 2/20/06, David Schor  wrote:
> Without making an assumption that FrameMaker users reside and work
> primarily in the U.S.A., this is a long holiday weekend in the States,
> so it certainly would account for a large reduction in queries and
> banter on the list. I don't remember if I saw posts yesterday after our
> weekend.
>
>
> David Schor
> Technical Communication Manager
> Emblaze-VCON Ltd.
> Tel: (+972) 9 7627820
> Mobile: 054 4788253
> davids at emblaze-vcon.com 
>
> www.emblaze-vcon.com 
> "Video Made Easy"
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:57 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: What is with the list?
>
> I haven't had an e-mail from the list since the 15th. What happened?
> Will this e-mail get through? Or maybe everyone's problem is solved?
>
> Please respond directly to me and not to the list only.
>
> Best regards,
>
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find special characters

[Rainbow Zhang]

hi all:
I am new to the forum, also I am so glad to join it.
But now I have a question. I don't how to find special characters like "? 
?quot; in fm files.
Much help appreciated.

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Portrait & landscape in a singlr document ??

[Ankur SRIVASTAVA]

Hi,

I have a small query that whether a "portrait" and a "landscape" page can be 
included in the same document 
I suppose, it is easier to include them in a book..

Regards
ankur

Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Ridder, Fred]

I think what you'll need to do is import all three generated tables
into a container file that is not a generated file. For example, you
might have a non-generated book component called FrontMatter.fm
that has the headings for the TOC, LOF, and LOT, but which 
includes the actual listings for each as a text inset. The actual 
generated files would be included in the book file as the last three
items so that you can easily exclude them when it comes time to 
print the book.  

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Anne Robotti
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this
particular question.

What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they
would be at the end, each under a heading saying "List of Tables" and
"List of Figures" respectively.

I seem to remember that you're supposed to put the headings into the TOC
and then import the files.

Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear
and the lists are printed before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to
make any difference whether I put in a page break before the headings.

I'm not sure what to try next.

Any help is appreciated.

Does anyone remember me from RadiSys a few years ago? You guys were a
HUGE help to me back then!

Anne Robotti
Technical Writer
Journal Register Company
W-Ph:(609) 396-2200 x 166
C-Ph:(609) 902-3676
arobotti at journalregister.com

tried Adobe expert support plan via the Web ?

[GILLIOTTE Valérie]

Has anyone tried the Adobe Expert support plan via the Web ?
I am looking for user feedbacks as I've never read any. I consider suggesting 
this subscription to my company. Through this plan, is it possible to send some 
sample files to the Adobe Professionnal or is it only a question & answer type 
of exchange ?
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Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Anne Robotti]

Fred Ritter wrote:
> I think what you'll need to do is import all three generated tables
> into a container file that is not a generated file. For example, you
> might have a non-generated book component called FrontMatter.fm
> that has the headings for the TOC, LOF, and LOT, but which
> includes the actual listings for each as a text inset. The actual
> generated files would be included in the book file as the last three
> items so that you can easily exclude them when it comes time to
> print the book.

Fred, how would I handle the master pages? I don't want any blank pages
in the middle of the TOC, LOF and LOT, but the TOC length keeps changing
and I don't want to keep switching the master pages manually.

This is so frustrating because I *know* I've done this before with no
manual upkeep, I just can't remember how.

Thanks for your help, and keep the suggestions coming everybody!

Anne



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Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Grant Hogarth]

There are a couple of ways to do this, Anne.

Method 1 (Easier, but less elegant)
In your book, move the generated lists to immediately after the
TOC. Then in the book setup, set the geenerated files to continue the
settings of the previous file for page & chapter numbering.  The only
downside to this is that they will start at the top of a new page, no
matter how much white space is left before.

Method 2
In your book, move the generated lists to the very front of the
book, so they get generated first. Set the flows for these files to be
some value greater than "A" (or whatever the flowname value is for the
TOC -- "A" is the default). Then insert the contents of the files as
text inserts following the TOC contents.  

Grant

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From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Anne Robotti
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 6:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Importing Generated Files Into TOC

I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this
particular question.

What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they
would be at the end, each under a heading saying "List of Tables" and
"List of Figures" respectively.

I seem to remember that you're supposed to put the headings into the TOC
and then import the files.

Every time I try that and regenerate the file, the headings disappear
and the lists are printed before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to
make any difference whether I put in a page break before the headings.

I'm not sure what to try next.

Any help is appreciated.

Does anyone remember me from RadiSys a few years ago? You guys were a
HUGE help to me back then!

Anne Robotti
Technical Writer
Journal Register Company
W-Ph:(609) 396-2200 x 166
C-Ph:(609) 902-3676
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Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Art Campbell]

You could just add them to the book file after the TOC and set up the
pagination so they appear to be part of the TOC? They would break to a
new page, but that shouldn't be a big deal; your LOT/LOF headings
should probably be primary heads anyway...

If you did want to incorporate them into one file and intentionally
run them on so the end of one would be on the same page with the next,
set up one meta file that would be a container. Then import all three
files: TOC, LOF, and LOT.

I think in either case, your headings would be in the parent/source
file. If you insert the heading, save the file, and update, they
should stay in place.

Art

On 2/21/06, Anne Robotti  wrote:
> I looked in the archives for this, but didn't see an answer to this 
> particular question.
>
> What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into my TOC, so that they would be 
> at the end, each under a heading saying "List of Tables" and "List of 
> Figures" respectively.



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Apple Command character in FrameMaker Windows?

[Grant Hogarth]

Or get a symbol font that contains it.
There are a large number out there (Free and not)  which contain that
glyph.

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From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Findon
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 2:10 AM
To: Pat Christenson
Cc: framers List; Larsen, Seraphim L
Subject: Re: Apple Command character in FrameMaker Windows?

On 21 Feb 2006, at 04:59, Pat Christenson wrote:

> Oops, my mistake. I'm so used to typing bullets. I need to create the 
> Apple command character.

I don't think you can on Windows because it's a special character
included in some of the fonts bundled with the Mac OS.

One solution would be to create an EPS of it on a Mac and use that as an
inline graphic in Windows FrameMaker.

Paul

CareerBuilder

[John Posada]

Hi, guys...for reasons I cannot go into in the event that others from
my company read this list, my position is being eliminated in about
1.5 weeks. I'd be happy to discuss off-list.

I've been a frequent user of Dice and less so with Monster. I'd like
your collective opinion on the site CareerBuilder.

...and yes, I'm available in about two weeksbut that's not the
purpose of this post.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Anne Robotti]

Grant Hogarth wrote:

> Method 2
>   In your book, move the generated lists to the very front of the
> book, so they get generated first. Set the flows for these files to be
> some value greater than "A" (or whatever the flowname value is for the
> TOC -- "A" is the default). Then insert the contents of the files as
> text inserts following the TOC contents.

I just wanted to update the group to say that a modification of this
turned out to be the ticket.

I set the flows for the LOT and LOF to "B". 
I inserted the files by reference at the end of the TOC, and set them to
automatically update when the book was generated.
I didn't have to move them to the front of the book.

I think changing the name of the flow was what did the trick.

Thanks Grant, and thanks everyone else who called or emailed me
privately.

Anne Robotti



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Internal Xref in IDX

[Grant Hogarth]

Hello Don.
1) I use this variable all the time for producing HTML Help material, as
page number references are irrelevant in that format.  

2) WRT the See/See Also references, I would look at either placing all
of these links at the start of the INDEX, or doing a S to clean out
all the see/see also links. You *could* insert or edit all those links
by hand, but that would be a pain.

Beyond that, I think you are into FrameScript territory.

Grant

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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:02 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Internal Xref in IDX

Dear Framer Folks:

Has anybody ever used the <$nopage> index variable?

It's a good thing and a bad thing. When put into an index ref it will
generate whatever text you designate, usually "see also . . . " This
saves unnecessary duplication of entries, e.g. "Utility knife/Knife,
utility."

BUT the actual link that's created links back to wherever the marker
resides within the book text. This effect would be confusing for digital
readers.
They would want to go to that section of the Index referred to in the
entry text.

Do any of you sharing mentors have some sort of solution to this glitch?

Grateful in advance,

~ Don Spencer
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CareerBuilder

[John Posada]

(never saw this hit the site, so I'm resending)

Hi, guys...for reasons I cannot go into in the event that others from
my company read this list, my position is being eliminated in about
1.5 weeks. I'd be happy to discuss off-list.

I've been a frequent user of Dice and less so with Monster. I'd like
your collective opinion on the site CareerBuilder.

...and yes, I'm available in about two weeksbut that's not the
purpose of this post.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"So long and thanks for all the fish."

FM Extension for Google Desktop Search ???

[Art Campbell]

Anyone heard of, or have a lead, on one?

Art

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automating documentation builds

[Martha J Davidson]

Hi everyone,

I'm in the process of automating the doc build process, creating both help 
(using WebWorks AutoMap) and PDFs. I'm using FM 7.2 and WWP2003, version 
8.6, along with some custom FrameScripts written for my company by Rick 
Quatro. This runs on WinXP Pro, fully patched, with 1GB of memory.

I'm doing only the simplest commands, as far as I can tell: using a Windows 
batch file to check source files out of CVS to a brand-new directory, 
running a FrameScript to set conditional text properly for each of the 
chapters in a book file that includes chapters from each of my other books, 
and then calling WebWorks using the wpuba command-line interface from 
AutoMap. These commands are about the first third of my script.

Each command works fine by itself. When I run this portion of the script 
sequentially, FM crashes (with a dialog box listing error codes and the 
suggestion to read the log file for more information). I'm trying to figure 
out what's causing the crash. Initially, it happened partway through the 
FrameScript, running with RunEslBatch. When I saw that it happened on the 
same files consistently, I opened each of those files, re-saved them and 
checked them back into CVS. Now the crash happens about 70% of the way 
through the WebWorks help generation.

My first thought was that it was somehow related to memory--either a memory 
leak in FM or flaky memory on the build server hardware. And I don't know 
yet if either of these is the culprit or if something else is happening.

I realize this might not be enough to go on. Does anyone have any ideas? 
Thoughts of things to try? Similar experiences? I appreciate any help that 
anyone can offer.

martha
--
Martha Jane {Kolman | Davidson}
Dances With Words
editrix at nemasys.com

"Too many words bring about exhaustion."
  --Tao Te Ching, Chapter 5 (translated by Sheets/Tovey)

Importing Generated Files Into TOC

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:53:43 -0500, "Anne Robotti" 
 wrote:

>What I want to do is import my LOT and LOF into 
>my TOC, so that they would be at the end, each 
>under a heading saying "List of Tables" and "List 
>of Figures" respectively.
>
>I seem to remember that you're supposed to put 
>the headings into the TOC and then import the files.
>
>Every time I try that and regenerate the file, 
>the headings disappear and the lists are printed 
>before my TOC headings. It doesn't seem to make 
>any difference whether I put in a page break 
>before the headings.

I think the only way you can do this is to create
a new file, not generated, such as "Front.fm",
and import all three generated files (TOC, LOT, 
and LOF) into it by reference as insets.

This will require two books.  One, with the three
generated files, you update first.  The second,
without the generated files but with First as the
starting file, you update next.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

automating documentation builds

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Martha:

Is it possible that intermediate files created by the process are not 
complete, aren't renamed,  or do not appear complete or in the 
location where or when subsequent operations expect them?

If the whole process works correctly locally on one machine, the 
problems may be due to this "network latency."

At 3:50 PM -0800 2/21/06, Martha J Davidson wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I'm in the process of automating the doc build process, creating 
>both help (using WebWorks AutoMap) and PDFs. I'm using FM 7.2 and 
>WWP2003, version 8.6, along with some custom FrameScripts written 
>for my company by Rick Quatro. This runs on WinXP Pro, fully 
>patched, with 1GB of memory.
>
>I'm doing only the simplest commands, as far as I can tell: using a 
>Windows batch file to check source files out of CVS to a brand-new 
>directory, running a FrameScript to set conditional text properly 
>for each of the chapters in a book file that includes chapters from 
>each of my other books, and then calling WebWorks using the wpuba 
>command-line interface from AutoMap. These commands are about the 
>first third of my script.
>
>Each command works fine by itself. When I run this portion of the 
>script sequentially, FM crashes (with a dialog box listing error 
>codes and the suggestion to read the log file for more information). 
>I'm trying to figure out what's causing the crash. Initially, it 
>happened partway through the FrameScript, running with RunEslBatch. 
>When I saw that it happened on the same files consistently, I opened 
>each of those files, re-saved them and checked them back into CVS. 
>Now the crash happens about 70% of the way through the WebWorks help 
>generation.

-- 
Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Online Seminars and Training

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Hi all:

I'll be delivering a pretty wide range of FrameMaker and DITA sessions online. 
The cost is $199 for an online seminar (as many attendees as you like from one 
location) and either $399 or $599 for a hands on course (limited number of 
attendees).

Information on this can be found here:
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Thanks all,

Bernard




Bernard Aschwanden
Publishing Technologies Expert
Publishing Smarter

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