OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Baruch Brodersen]

A slightly OT request. I'm investigating the feasibility of using voice to
text software as a hedge against tendonitis and other work-related maladies.
Does anyone have experience using such software with Frame?

 

Baruch Brodersen

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Re: OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Art Campbell]

Dragon Naturally Speaking worked pretty well, but I only played with
it and didn't try to use it day after day in a production environment.
The newest version is supposed to be much better. A headset mic worked
much better for me than the computer's omnidirectional mic.

Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
to them.

And if you're not doing it already, using a grip exerciser and light
weights for forearm strength are a big plus.

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.com wrote:
 A slightly OT request. I'm investigating the feasibility of using voice to
 text software as a hedge against tendonitis and other work-related maladies.
 Does anyone have experience using such software with Frame?



 Baruch Brodersen

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Re: OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
 
 Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
 Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
 used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
 to them.

I know many people prefer a trackball to a mouse.  I haven't used a 
trackball myself, but I did change from mouse to a Wacom Intuos 3 
graphics tablet a couple of years ago, and can't praise it highly 
enough.  I was finding that only a few minutes of mousing would cause 
pain in my lower arm, and I also found a mouse to be an incredibly 
clumsy tool for illustration software.  The graphics tablet allows me to 
use a stylus that fits very comfortably in the hand, as relaxed as 
holding a pencil, and the degree of control is exceptional.  If you're 
looking into alternative pointing devices, I'd recommend checking out a 
graphics tablet.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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PDF to Word Conversion

[Charlene_Glover]

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Combs, Richard]

charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote:
 
 Good morning,
  I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual
is
 projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
 drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
 entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
 that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
 will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
 tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting
was
 off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Don't convert the PDF, convert the source documents -- which I assume
are FM, since you posted to this list. Use Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). 

Richard


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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[quills]

I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to 
Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems 
of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I 
assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if 
done in Word.

Word isn't designed for that type of volume.

Scott

charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote:
 Good morning, 
  I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
 projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
 drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
 entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
 that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
 will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
 tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
 off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


 Thanks
 Charlene
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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Here is a list of options:

- In Acrobat Reader, select View  Continuous. Then select all (CTRL+A)
selects the entire document, rather than the single page. Copy it to
your clipboard, and Paste Special into Microsoft Word.

Converters:

- BCL easyConverter Desktop ($19.95):
http://www.pdfonline.com/easyconverter/

- PDF-to-Word: http://www.quick-pdf.com/

- OmniPage: www.scansoft.com/products/omnipage/pro/

- Solid Converter PDF: www.solidpdf.com

- Gemini: www.iceni.com/gemini.htm

- PDF Converter: www.nuance.com/pdfconverter

- PdfGrabber: www.pdfgrabber.com

- PDF-File: www.pdf-file.com

- PDFEdit995 (part of the PDF995 suite) lets you output to Word DOC
files without images: www.pdf995.com

- Easy PDF to Word Converter by NeoRen Soft:
http://software.techrepublic.com.com/download.aspx?docid=230542

- PDF2Office: www.recosoft.com

- Able2Doc: www.investintech.com

- 123FileConvert: www.123fileconvert.com

- Easy PDF To Word Converter: www.pdf-to-html-word.com

- PDF To Word: www.verypdf.com

- DocSmartz PDF TO Word: www.docsmartz.net

- PDF-TO-Word: www.convert-in.com

- PDF Ripper: www.pdfpdf.com

- AllPDFConverter: www.bcltechnologies.com

- http://convertpdftoword.net/

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


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Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which 
I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.

Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why 
it remembers some and not others.

I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays 
120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a 
way to get Frame to remember the 200?

Thanks.

--Nancy
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Re: Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Art Campbell]

Did you try saving the file after importing one at 200?


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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which
 I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.

 Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why
 it remembers some and not others.

 I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays
 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a
 way to get Frame to remember the 200?

 Thanks.

 --Nancy
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Re: Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Nancy Allison]

  Yes. Made no difference.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

 Did you try saving the file after importing one at 200?

Art Campbell
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apply.
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net 
mailto:ma...@verizon.net   mailto:ma...@verizon.net  wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at 
 which
 I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.

 Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea 
 why
 it remembers some and not others.

 I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box 
 displays
 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a
 way to get Frame to remember the 200?

 Thanks.

 --Nancy
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RE: Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Nancy Allison wrote:
 I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which 
 I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.
 
 Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why 
 it remembers some and not others.
 
 I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays 
 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a 
 way to get Frame to remember the 200?
 
Any value that FrameMaker displays in the custom dpi box is read from 
the header of the graphic file itself. If I take a capture with SnagIt and 
leave the resolution setting at 96 (the default) when saving the capture 
as a BMP file, the custom dpi value I see in FrameMaker is 96. If I set the 
resolution to 120 before saving the capture, the custom dpi value I 
see in FrameMaker is 120. In both cases the pixel dimensions of the 
capture are the same and the actual resolution is still the same nominal
96 dpi; the resolution in the file header is nothing more than a 
suggested value for anything using the image downstream, and 
FrameMaker displays that suggestion as the custom dpi value.
 
-Fred Ridder
 
 
 
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion - Caution

[Lea Rush]

I have to agree with Scott. The entire reason for my company going to Frame was 
the twice-yearly
corruption of our 300-page Word manual. Frame paid for itself within a year.

Lea

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Astoria-Pacific International
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PH: 800-657-3010
FAX:  503-655-7367

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: PDF to Word Conversion
 
 I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to
 Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems
 of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I
 assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if
 done in Word.
 
 Word isn't designed for that type of volume.
 
 Scott
 
 charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote:
  Good morning,
   I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
  projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
  drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
  entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
  that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
  will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
  tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
  off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
  Thanks
  Charlene
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RE: OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Syed.Hosain]

 I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural Keyboard and a Logitech
trackball as alternative controllers. I've used both for a long time and
love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
to them.

I also *highly* recommend the Microsoft Natural keyboard. I have the
classic fore-arm repetitive motion induced pain problems, and this is
the *only* keyboard that I can use for hours and still be okay with
driving home that evening and being able to grip and turn the steering
wheel!

Z
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Flato, Gillian]

Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
address them with Frame and PDF.


-Gillian


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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to Word Conversion

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Syed.Hosain]

As you noted, the built-in support in Adobe Acrobat has, to write the
PDF in Word format, is pretty darn limited for any serious documents.

I have used PDF Convertor Professional (from www.nuance.com) to read PDF
files into Word with much better results. However, the results STILL
require a LOT of editing to get it to look close to the original.

You are better off (wasting the time perhaps) convincing the client that
they are making a serious mistake. However, if they are willing to pay
you for all this fixup work, then it is their decision, I suppose.

Z

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to Word Conversion

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene
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Re: OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Shmuel Wolfson]

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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Dov Isaacs]

Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
(if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with
regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
or even one current printer driver instance to the next.

- Dov



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 From: Flato, Gillian
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
 
 Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
 be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
 what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
 a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
 wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
 I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
 was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
 address them with Frame and PDF.
 
 
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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[Art Campbell]

I suspect Gillian meant Comment and annotate in a PDF not edit in
the sense that a word-worker edits.

Art

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Dov Isaacs isa...@adobe.com wrote:
 Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
 that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
 PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
 The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
 (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

 The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with
 regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
 word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
 to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
 formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
 issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
 apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
 or even one current printer driver instance to the next.

- Dov



 -Original Message-
 From: Flato, Gillian
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM

 Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
 be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
 what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
 a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
 wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
 I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
 was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
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RE: PDF to Word Conversion

[Flato, Gillian]

Dov,

I am talking about the Send for Review feature where people can insert
and delete text and make comments. That's what I mean by editable.


-Dov


-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:48 AM
To: Flato, Gillian; charlene_glo...@emainc.com; Frame Users
Subject: RE: PDF to Word Conversion

Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any
edits
that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations
only.
PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source
document.
The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
(if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with
regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is
going
to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content,
functionality,
formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting
the
issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to
another
or even one current printer driver instance to the next.

- Dov



 -Original Message-
 From: Flato, Gillian
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
 
 Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which
will
 be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
 what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he
wanted
 a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
 wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable.
Once
 I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
 was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
 address them with Frame and PDF.
 
 
 -Gillian
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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[Shmuel Wolfson]

PDF XChange Viewer is a really easy-to-use (free) tool for commenting on 
PDFs. It's something that you do not have to teach the reviewers. It's 
self explanatory. And you do not have to allow users to comment on the 
PDF in order to use this tool.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

Dov Isaacs wrote:
 Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
 that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
 PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
 The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
 (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

 The real problem of the OP is that the client just doesn't get it with
 regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
 word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
 to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
 formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
 issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
 apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
 or even one current printer driver instance to the next.

   - Dov



   
 -Original Message-
 From: Flato, Gillian
 Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM

 Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
 be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
 what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
 a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
 wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
 I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
 was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
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Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Owen, Clint]

To anyone who has to keep track of the revision date for each page in a
document. You know what a pain it is to do manually.
 
I have worked out a way to generate an automatic LOEP in unstructured
FrameMaker documents. This method uses a second flow, with a text frame
on each page that only has room for two lines, the page number and the
date. Then you can generate a list of paragraphs to pick up these two
items and the title of each chapter. Then it is just a matter of
formatting.
 
Please contact me off list for a full description, if you are
interested. 
 
Clint
 

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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Mike Wickham]

 How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
 the same time?

I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a 
paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in 
FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line. 
But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.

Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my 
template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be. 
Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It 
turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes 
slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc. 
had no slowing effect.

This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table 
formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty 
document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new 
paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new 
name, using Commands New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the 
cursor speed slowed way down.

So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many 
paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are, 
the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60 
character styles.

Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace 
causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the 
other workspaces.

This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Art Campbell]

I was able to get something like this to happen this weekend, too, and
it occurred when I opened a file that started life in FM 5 or so...
and has been rolled forward through all the releases since. Native FM9
files worked fine  fast.

I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

Art

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote:
 How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
 the same time?

 I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program
 open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was
 fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed
 slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer
 windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all
 windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics
 workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys)
 in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

 Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a
 paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in
 FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line.
 But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.

 Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my
 template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be.
 Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It
 turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes
 slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc.
 had no slowing effect.

 This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table
 formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty
 document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new
 paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new
 name, using Commands New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the
 cursor speed slowed way down.

 So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many
 paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are,
 the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60
 character styles.

 Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace
 causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the
 other workspaces.

 This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.

 Mike Wickham



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Re: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Mike Wickham]

Silicon Prairie Software also as an LEP plugin. I've never needed it or used 
it, so I can't comment on how it works:

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

From their website:

LEP Tools
LEP Tools is a special-purpose FrameMaker plug-in that helps generate a List 
of Effective Pages for a set of FrameMaker documents. If you create document 
sets that require a List of Effective Pages, this plug-in may make that 
process much easier.

LEP Tools is $30 for a single-user license, $300 for a site license, and is 
available for FrameMaker 6.x, 7.x, and 8 on Windows and Macintosh.


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From: Owen, Clint clint.o...@craneaerospace.com
To: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents


 To anyone who has to keep track of the revision date for each page in a
 document. You know what a pain it is to do manually.

 I have worked out a way to generate an automatic LOEP in unstructured
 FrameMaker documents. This method uses a second flow, with a text frame
 on each page that only has room for two lines, the page number and the
 date. Then you can generate a list of paragraphs to pick up these two
 items and the title of each chapter. Then it is just a matter of
 formatting.

 Please contact me off list for a full description, if you are
 interested.

 Clint


 Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics |
 Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113



 
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Re: OT :: Frame Voice to Text software

[Mike Wickham]

 Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
 Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
 used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
 to them.

I'll add my vote for the Logitech trackball. I'll never go back to a 
traditional mouse. I never have the problem of reaching the end of the mouse 
pad before I'm done scrolling. There's no need to lift the mouse and 
reposition it to scroll the rest of the way!

I haven't used the Microsoft Natural Keyboard, but I'll put my vote in for 
the Unicomp Customizer 104-105. It's the original IBM keyboard with a good 
tactile click. And the keycaps are double-injected, so the letters won't 
wear off unless you wear through the whole key! I love it. Mine is several 
years old now and not a sign of wear. Find it here: 
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html, or a model with the 
same size keys, but smaller footprint, here: 
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html

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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Mike Wickham]

 I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

I tried a MIF 9 save with no luck.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Stuart Rogers]

Mike Wickham wrote:
 How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
 the same time?
 
 I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
 open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
 fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
 slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
 windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
 windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
 workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
 in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

I am trying out FM 9, and also find the cursor is extremely slow to 
respond to the arrow keys.  (XP on a 3GHz CPU, 1.5GB RAM, and no such 
problem in any other app. including FM 7.0, with any number of other 
apps running.)

And I can't BELIEVE they STILL haven't fixed the screen refresh bug 
  Keep your Ctrl + L shortcut handy, folks.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Disappearing callouts

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, everyone. New problem:

I create an anchored frame and import a graphic into it.

Using the Text Frame tool in the Graphics toolbar, I create callouts.

They work fine as long as they are positioned on top of the imported 
graphic.

However, if they are above the graphic, but still inside the anchored 
frame, the text inside the text frame disappears. It behaves as if it 
were pushed below the edge of the text frame by a set of forced returns, 
but there aren't any.

As soon as I move the text frame back on top of the imported image (a 
bitmap, if it matters), the callout text reappears in the text frame.

What's going on? How do I make it stop?
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Re: Disappearing callouts

[Art Campbell]

Check the Runaround Property for the graphic (select it and
right-click) to make sure that there isn't a runaround set

Also, each graphic item you add is likely to be on it's own layer, so
you may want to select all of them (maybe omitting the background
graphic) and Group them.

Art

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi, everyone. New problem:

 I create an anchored frame and import a graphic into it.

 Using the Text Frame tool in the Graphics toolbar, I create callouts.

 They work fine as long as they are positioned on top of the imported
 graphic.

 However, if they are above the graphic, but still inside the anchored
 frame, the text inside the text frame disappears. It behaves as if it
 were pushed below the edge of the text frame by a set of forced returns,
 but there aren't any.

 As soon as I move the text frame back on top of the imported image (a
 bitmap, if it matters), the callout text reappears in the text frame.

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Re: Disappearing callouts

[Nancy Allison]

Thank you, everyone who answered privately or on the list. Run around 
properties solved the problem!

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Re: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
Klaus
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RE: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Owen, Clint]

It may not be the most informative term, but it's been in use for a long
time.

Basically, it's a front matter list of the date on which each page in
the manual was last updated. Military and Aerospace manuals typically
have hundreds of pages, and may go through dozens of revisions that
change only a few pages at a time. Keeping track of everything is a big
pain in the neck, and it's one of the easiest places for an auditor to
find a mistake.

Clint


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Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:13 -0500, charlene_glo...@emainc.com wrote:

 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. 

As everyone else has said, this is a very, very, very Bad Idea.
Word is simply not stable enough to use for docs that size,
let alone the fact that it lacks so many common Frame features
that you will spend much of your editing time gritting your 
teeth to avoid screaming...

Ask him *why* he wants it in Word?  If it's because he wants
to edit using Word's Track Changes, fine, you can give him a
Word copy, made with Mif2Go, any time he wants one.  (Make one
Word file per chapter, *not* one file of the whole book.)
Then he can edit, send it back, and you can make his changes
into proper writing when you edit them into the Frame version.
Many of our customers use that workflow, and it works well.

Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Going via PDF is another Bad Idea, because PDF is, as Dov
said, a final format, designed for print.  It is *not*
an interchange format.  Frame's native RTF export leaves
a lot behind.  Mif2Go does too, since there is nowhere to
put a lot of Frame information in Word, but what does get
there is complete, accurate, and looks remarkably like the 
Frame document it came from.  You can try the free demo at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
and see for yourself if it will work for you.

HTH!

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Re: PDF to Word Conversion

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi Charlene,

I have used Solid PDF Tools converter for converting PDF to MS Word. This
has yielded excellent results in terms of retaining the formatting, table
and figure conversion, as well as editability.

However, i am not sure for large docs extending up to 2000 pages, as is your
case.

HTH

regards
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 Good morning,
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
 projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
 drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
 entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
 that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
 will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
 tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
 off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


 Thanks
 Charlene
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RE: imported graphic on coloured background - thin white line around the inserted graphic

[Ulrike Forsberg (UFO)]

Thanks a lot for the input.
I have used the workaround or produce the entire background color
with the image as a single bitmap. 

br,
Ulrike


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Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:11 PM
To: Ulrike Forsberg (UFO); fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: imported graphic on coloured background - thin white line
around the inserted graphic

Ulrike,

You wrote:

I have a coloured background in my FM document and have added an image 
with the same background colour (to make the inserted image look
'transparent') by reference. I have no line around the image, just a 
fill with the same RGB code as the background color in the FM document.
Everything looks fine in FM, the contours of the inserted file are 
invisible. I produce a pdf file, everthing is fine, no contours around 
the inserted image visible. When I print the pdf, there is a fine white

contour line around the inserted graphic, any suggestions how I can get

rid of it? I tried to check the object properties, without success.


This problem is related to a bug in the PS output of FrameMaker (all
versions) on Windows. In the PostScript/PDF output produced by
FrameMaker/Windows, a solid white rectangle is placed underneath all
bitmaps. It has the same size as the bitmap, but may be displayed
occasionally (sometimes for a split second when you zoom in/out,
especially when the page is busy and the display is slow) or become
noticeable when printing.

You can easily see the solid white rectangle if you open the PDF in the
full version of Acrobat and use the Object TouchUp tool to drag items --
as you drag the image, you'll see a solid white rectangle below it.

Possible workarounds: explicitly set a thick border for the image (eg a
3-point border) with the same color as the background, or produce the
entire background color with the image as a single bitmap.
[ The solid white rectangle may not be placed underneath EPS bitmaps,
but this varies depending on the FM version and the way the PDF is
produced, and may not be consistent -- hence it is not a general-purpose
workaround ]


Shlomo Perets

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RE: Frame reference book

[Barry . Kieffer]

Although outdated, my pick is The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6 by Thomas 
Neuburger, published by Twelfth Night Books.

This book is both a teaching aid and a fine reference. Hopefully a newer 
edition is available. I use Frame 7 so this book is all I need.
 
Regards,
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Commercial  Military Aviation
Portland, Oregon
 

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Changed a format's tab stop imported to 2nd doc--but 2nd doc's tab stop doesn't change

[cewinch]

Hello all,

I've got a FM book with several documents in it. In document A, I changed 
a tab stop in my Header paragraph format--intending that I would then 
import formats into each of the other documents in the book. Naturally, 
I'm expecting that once I've done so, the header's tab stop would have 
automatically changed because I'd imported and therefore replaced its 
format. (Yes, the format's name is the same in all documents.)

So--after changing the format in document A, I saved document A and then 
switched to document B (already open), hit FileImportFormats, selected 
document A, selected (only) Paragraph Formats, and hit Import. But when I 
check the header in document B, the tab stop has remained the same. :-(

I even tried importing both Paragraph Formats and Page Layouts...to no 
avail.

What am I missing here?

In case this makes any difference, I'm running FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

Thanks?
Connie
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OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[Baruch Brodersen]

A slightly OT request. I'm investigating the feasibility of using voice to
text software as a hedge against tendonitis and other work-related maladies.
Does anyone have experience using such software with Frame?



Baruch Brodersen

OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[Art Campbell]

Dragon Naturally Speaking worked pretty well, but I only played with
it and didn't try to use it day after day in a production environment.
The newest version is supposed to be much better. A headset mic worked
much better for me than the computer's omnidirectional mic.

Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
to them.

And if you're not doing it already, using a grip exerciser and light
weights for forearm strength are a big plus.

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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> A slightly OT request. I'm investigating the feasibility of using voice to
> text software as a hedge against tendonitis and other work-related maladies.
> Does anyone have experience using such software with Frame?
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OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[Stuart Rogers]

Art Campbell wrote:
> 
> Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
> Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
> used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
> to them.

I know many people prefer a trackball to a mouse.  I haven't used a 
trackball myself, but I did change from mouse to a Wacom Intuos 3 
graphics tablet a couple of years ago, and can't praise it highly 
enough.  I was finding that only a few minutes of mousing would cause 
pain in my lower arm, and I also found a mouse to be an incredibly 
clumsy tool for illustration software.  The graphics tablet allows me to 
use a stylus that fits very comfortably in the hand, as relaxed as 
holding a pencil, and the degree of control is exceptional.  If you're 
looking into alternative pointing devices, I'd recommend checking out a 
graphics tablet.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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PDF to Word Conversion

[charlene_glo...@emainc.com]

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene

PDF to Word Conversion

[Art Campbell]

Because you posted your enquiry on a Frame forum rather than an
Acrobat one, I'm going to assume that the file is in Frame. If so, use
MIF2Go from Omsys.com to export it to .RTF.

You may want to mention to your client that this is closely related to
shooting themselves in the foot...

Art


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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
> Good morning,
> I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
> projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
> drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
> entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
> that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
> will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
> tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
> off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
> Charlene
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PDF to Word Conversion

[Combs, Richard]

Charlene_Glover at emainc.com wrote:

> Good morning,
>  I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual
is
> projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
> drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
> entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
> that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
> will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
> tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting
was
> off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Don't convert the PDF, convert the source documents -- which I assume
are FM, since you posted to this list. Use Mif2Go (www.omsys.com). 

Richard


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PDF to Word Conversion

[qui...@airmail.net]

I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to 
Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems 
of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I 
assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if 
done in Word.

Word isn't designed for that type of volume.

Scott

Charlene_Glover at emainc.com wrote:
> Good morning, 
>  I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
> projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
> drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
> entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
> that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
> will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
> tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
> off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks
> Charlene
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PDF to Word Conversion

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Here is a list of options:

- In Acrobat Reader, select View > Continuous. Then select all (CTRL+A)
selects the entire document, rather than the single page. Copy it to
your clipboard, and Paste Special into Microsoft Word.

Converters:

- BCL easyConverter Desktop ($19.95):
http://www.pdfonline.com/easyconverter/

- PDF-to-Word: http://www.quick-pdf.com/

- OmniPage: www.scansoft.com/products/omnipage/pro/

- Solid Converter PDF: www.solidpdf.com

- Gemini: www.iceni.com/gemini.htm

- PDF Converter: www.nuance.com/pdfconverter

- PdfGrabber: www.pdfgrabber.com

- PDF-File: www.pdf-file.com

- PDFEdit995 (part of the PDF995 suite) lets you output to Word DOC
files without images: www.pdf995.com

- Easy PDF to Word Converter by NeoRen Soft:
http://software.techrepublic.com.com/download.aspx?docid=230542

- PDF2Office: www.recosoft.com

- Able2Doc: www.investintech.com

- 123FileConvert: www.123fileconvert.com

- Easy PDF To Word Converter: www.pdf-to-html-word.com

- PDF To Word: www.verypdf.com

- DocSmartz PDF TO Word: www.docsmartz.net

- PDF-TO-Word: www.convert-in.com

- PDF Ripper: www.pdfpdf.com

- AllPDFConverter: www.bcltechnologies.com

- http://convertpdftoword.net/

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Regards,
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Technical Writer
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Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, all.

I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which 
I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.

Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why 
it remembers some and not others.

I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays 
120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a 
way to get Frame to remember the 200?

Thanks.

--Nancy

Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Art Campbell]

Did you try saving the file after importing one at 200?


Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
> I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which
> I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.
>
> Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why
> it remembers some and not others.
>
> I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays
> 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a
> way to get Frame to remember the 200?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Nancy
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Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Nancy Allison]

  Yes. Made no difference.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Art Campbell wrote:

> Did you try saving the file after importing one at 200?

Art Campbell
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apply.
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> Hi, all.
>
> I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at 
> which
> I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.
>
> Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea 
> why
> it remembers some and not others.
>
> I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box 
> displays
> 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a
> way to get Frame to remember the 200?
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> Thanks.
>
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Set custom dpi to import graphics

[Fred Ridder]

Nancy Allison wrote:
> I can't figure out how to get Frame to remember the custom dip at which 
> I'm importing a whole bunch of graphics.
> 
> Sometimes, Frame does remember a new import dpi, but I have no idea why 
> it remembers some and not others.
> 
> I'm importing .bmps into anchored frames, and every import box displays 
> 120 as the custom dpi, which I then have to change to 200. Is there a 
> way to get Frame to remember the 200?

Any value that FrameMaker displays in the "custom dpi" box is read from 
the header of the graphic file itself. If I take a capture with SnagIt and 
leave the "resolution" setting at 96 (the default) when saving the capture 
as a BMP file, the custom dpi value I see in FrameMaker is 96. If I set the 
"resolution" to 120 before saving the capture, the custom dpi value I 
see in FrameMaker is 120. In both cases the pixel dimensions of the 
capture are the same and the actual resolution is still the same nominal
96 dpi; the "resolution" in the file header is nothing more than a 
"suggested" value for anything using the image downstream, and 
FrameMaker displays that suggestion as the custom dpi value.

-Fred Ridder

PDF to Word Conversion - Caution

[Lea Rush]

I have to agree with Scott. The entire reason for my company going to Frame was 
the twice-yearly
corruption of our 300-page Word manual. Frame paid for itself within a year.

Lea

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> 
> I agree with the other two posters. Go from your source document to
> Word. It's much much easier. And then run from this client. The problems
> of maintaining the drawing in an updated format, and 2000 pages with, I
> assume, an index and table of contents, would be very, very daunting if
> done in Word.
> 
> Word isn't designed for that type of volume.
> 
> Scott
> 
> Charlene_Glover at emainc.com wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >  I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
> > projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
> > drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
> > entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
> > that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
> > will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
> > tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
> > off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Charlene
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OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural Keyboard and a Logitech
trackball as alternative controllers. I've used both for a long time and
love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
to them.

I also *highly* recommend the Microsoft Natural keyboard. I have the
classic fore-arm repetitive motion induced pain problems, and this is
the *only* keyboard that I can use for hours and still be okay with
driving home that evening and being able to grip and turn the steering
wheel!

Z

PDF to Word Conversion

[Flato, Gillian]

Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
address them with Frame and PDF.


-Gillian


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Charlene_Glover at emainc.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to Word Conversion

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
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PDF to Word Conversion

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

As you noted, the built-in support in Adobe Acrobat has, to write the
PDF in Word format, is pretty darn limited for any serious documents.

I have used PDF Convertor Professional (from www.nuance.com) to read PDF
files into Word with much better results. However, the results STILL
require a LOT of editing to get it to look close to the original.

You are better off (wasting the time perhaps) convincing the client that
they are making a serious mistake. However, if they are willing to pay
you for all this fixup work, then it is their decision, I suppose.

Z

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Charlene_Glover at emainc.com
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: PDF to Word Conversion

Good morning, 
 I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
entire document in word. Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks
Charlene
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[Shmuel Wolfson]

PDF to Word Conversion

[Dov Isaacs]

Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
(if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

The real problem of the OP is that the client just "doesn't get it" with
regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
or even one "current printer driver instance" to the next.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Flato, Gillian
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
> 
> Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
> be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
> what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
> a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
> wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
> I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
> was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
> address them with Frame and PDF.
> 
> 
> -Gillian

PDF to Word Conversion

[Art Campbell]

I suspect Gillian meant "Comment and annotate in a PDF" not "edit" in
the sense that a word-worker edits.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   DoD 358



On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
> that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
> PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
> The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
> (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!
>
> The real problem of the OP is that the client just "doesn't get it" with
> regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
> word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
> 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
> to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
> formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
> issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
> apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
> or even one "current printer driver instance" to the next.
>
>- Dov
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Flato, Gillian
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
>>
>> Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
>> be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
>> what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
>> a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
>> wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
>> I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
>> was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
>> address them with Frame and PDF.
>>
>>
>> -Gillian
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PDF to Word Conversion

[Flato, Gillian]

Dov,

I am talking about the Send for Review feature where people can insert
and delete text and make comments. That's what I mean by editable.


-Dov


-Original Message-
From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:48 AM
To: Flato, Gillian; Charlene_Glover at emainc.com; Frame Users
Subject: RE: PDF to Word Conversion

Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any
edits
that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations
only.
PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source
document.
The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
(if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!

The real problem of the OP is that the client just "doesn't get it" with
regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is
going
to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content,
functionality,
formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting
the
issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to
another
or even one "current printer driver instance" to the next.

- Dov



> -Original Message-
> From: Flato, Gillian
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
> 
> Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which
will
> be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
> what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he
wanted
> a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
> wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable.
Once
> I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
> was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
> address them with Frame and PDF.
> 
> 
> -Gillian

PDF to Word Conversion

[Shmuel Wolfson]

PDF XChange Viewer is a really easy-to-use (free) tool for commenting on 
PDFs. It's something that you do not have to teach the reviewers. It's 
self explanatory. And you do not have to "allow" users to comment on the 
PDF in order to use this tool.

-- 
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

Dov Isaacs wrote:
> Editable PDF? Are you kidding? PDF is a final form file format. Any edits
> that you can do in PDF should be restricted to emergency situations only.
> PDF does not maintain any of the context of the original source document.
> The concepts of words, sentences, paragraphs, etc. is limited at best
> (if the document is fully tagged) and nonexistent at worst!
>
> The real problem of the OP is that the client just "doesn't get it" with
> regards to the fact that the document model of almost any two layout or
> word processing programs are usually not even close. There simply no
> 1 to 1 conversions of FrameMaker to Word or vice versa. Something is going
> to get lost in such conversions either in terms of content, functionality,
> formatting, quality, or some combination of same. This is discounting the
> issues of the inherent instability of Word with longer documents and its
> apparent inability to maintain document format from one release to another
> or even one "current printer driver instance" to the next.
>
>   - Dov
>
>
>
>   
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Flato, Gillian
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:35 AM
>>
>> Why does he want it in Word? Rather than converting to Word, which will
>> be time-consuming and result in a document that has problems, find out
>> what his goal is. For example, an Engineer recently said that he wanted
>> a document in Word. When I asked him why, he said it was because he
>> wanted to edit it. He didn't know that one can make PDFs editable. Once
>> I explained that to him and showed him how to add edits to the PDF, he
>> was happy. So find out what his reasons are and you may be able to
>> address them with Frame and PDF.
>>
>>
>> -Gillian
>> 
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Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Owen, Clint]

To anyone who has to keep track of the revision date for each page in a
document. You know what a pain it is to do manually.

I have worked out a way to generate an automatic LOEP in unstructured
FrameMaker documents. This method uses a second flow, with a text frame
on each page that only has room for two lines, the page number and the
date. Then you can generate a list of paragraphs to pick up these two
items and the title of each chapter. Then it is just a matter of
formatting.

Please contact me off list for a full description, if you are
interested. 

Clint


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S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Mike Wickham]

> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
> the same time?

I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a 
paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in 
FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line. 
But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.

Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my 
template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be. 
Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It 
turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes 
slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc. 
had no slowing effect.

This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table 
formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty 
document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new 
paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new 
name, using Commands> New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the 
cursor speed slowed way down.

So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many 
paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are, 
the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60 
character styles.

Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace 
causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the 
other workspaces.

This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.

Mike Wickham

S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Art Campbell]

I was able to get something like this to happen this weekend, too, and
it occurred when I opened a file that started life in FM 5 or so...
and has been rolled forward through all the releases since. Native FM9
files worked fine & fast.

I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   DoD 358



On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
>> the same time?
>
> I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program
> open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was
> fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed
> slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer
> windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all
> windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics
> workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys)
> in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.
>
> Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a
> paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in
> FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line.
> But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.
>
> Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my
> template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be.
> Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It
> turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes
> slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc.
> had no slowing effect.
>
> This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table
> formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty
> document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new
> paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new
> name, using Commands> New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the
> cursor speed slowed way down.
>
> So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many
> paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are,
> the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60
> character styles.
>
> Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace
> causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the
> other workspaces.
>
> This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>

Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Mike Wickham]

Silicon Prairie Software also as an LEP plugin. I've never needed it or used 
it, so I can't comment on how it works:

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html

>From their website:

"LEP Tools
LEP Tools is a special-purpose FrameMaker plug-in that helps generate a List 
of Effective Pages for a set of FrameMaker documents. If you create document 
sets that require a List of Effective Pages, this plug-in may make that 
process much easier.

LEP Tools is $30 for a single-user license, $300 for a site license, and is 
available for FrameMaker 6.x, 7.x, and 8 on Windows and Macintosh."


- Original Message - 
From: "Owen, Clint" 
To: "Frame Users" 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents


> To anyone who has to keep track of the revision date for each page in a
> document. You know what a pain it is to do manually.
>
> I have worked out a way to generate an automatic LOEP in unstructured
> FrameMaker documents. This method uses a second flow, with a text frame
> on each page that only has room for two lines, the page number and the
> date. Then you can generate a list of paragraphs to pick up these two
> items and the title of each chapter. Then it is just a matter of
> formatting.
>
> Please contact me off list for a full description, if you are
> interested.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
>
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S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Peter Gold]

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I was able to get something like this to happen this weekend, too, and

Sounds like you should give FM the weekend off to recharge.


Regards,

Peter
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OT :: Frame & Voice to Text software

[Mike Wickham]

> Although you didn't ask, I'd highly recommend the Microsoft Natural
> Keyboard and a Logitech trackball as alternative controllers. I've
> used both for a long time and love 'em both, but you do need to adjust
> to them.

I'll add my vote for the Logitech trackball. I'll never go back to a 
traditional mouse. I never have the problem of reaching the end of the mouse 
pad before I'm done scrolling. There's no need to lift the mouse and 
reposition it to scroll the rest of the way!

I haven't used the Microsoft Natural Keyboard, but I'll put my vote in for 
the Unicomp Customizer 104-105. It's the original IBM keyboard with a good 
tactile click. And the keycaps are double-injected, so the letters won't 
wear off unless you wear through the whole key! I love it. Mine is several 
years old now and not a sign of wear. Find it here: 
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html, or a model with the 
same size keys, but smaller footprint, here: 
http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html

Mike Wickham

S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Mike Wickham]

> I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

I tried a MIF 9 save with no luck.

Mike Wickham

S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

[Stuart Rogers]

Mike Wickham wrote:
>> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
>> the same time?
> 
> I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
> open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
> fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
> slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
> windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
> windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
> workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
> in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

I am trying out FM 9, and also find the cursor is extremely slow to 
respond to the arrow keys.  (XP on a 3GHz CPU, 1.5GB RAM, and no such 
problem in any other app. including FM 7.0, with any number of other 
apps running.)

And I can't BELIEVE they STILL haven't fixed the screen refresh bug 
  Keep your Ctrl + L shortcut handy, folks.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when
Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?"

Disappearing callouts

[Nancy Allison]

Hi, everyone. New problem:

I create an anchored frame and import a graphic into it.

Using the Text Frame tool in the Graphics toolbar, I create callouts.

They work fine as long as they are positioned on top of the imported 
graphic.

However, if they are above the graphic, but still inside the anchored 
frame, the text inside the text frame disappears. It behaves as if it 
were pushed below the edge of the text frame by a set of forced returns, 
but there aren't any.

As soon as I move the text frame back on top of the imported image (a 
bitmap, if it matters), the callout text reappears in the text frame.

What's going on? How do I make it stop?

Disappearing callouts

[Art Campbell]

Check the Runaround Property for the graphic (select it and
right-click) to make sure that there isn't a runaround set

Also, each graphic item you add is likely to be on it's own layer, so
you may want to select all of them (maybe omitting the background
graphic) and Group them.

Art

Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
>
> Hi, everyone. New problem:
>
> I create an anchored frame and import a graphic into it.
>
> Using the Text Frame tool in the Graphics toolbar, I create callouts.
>
> They work fine as long as they are positioned on top of the imported
> graphic.
>
> However, if they are above the graphic, but still inside the anchored
> frame, the text inside the text frame disappears. It behaves as if it
> were pushed below the edge of the text frame by a set of forced returns,
> but there aren't any.
>
> As soon as I move the text frame back on top of the imported image (a
> bitmap, if it matters), the callout text reappears in the text frame.
>
> What's going on? How do I make it stop?
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Disappearing callouts

[Nancy Allison]

Thank you, everyone who answered privately or on the list. Run around 
properties solved the problem!

--Nancy

Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
Klaus

Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Owen, Clint]

It may not be the most informative term, but it's been in use for a long
time.

Basically, it's a front matter list of the date on which each page in
the manual was last updated. Military and Aerospace manuals typically
have hundreds of pages, and may go through dozens of revisions that
change only a few pages at a time. Keeping track of everything is a big
pain in the neck, and it's one of the easiest places for an auditor to
find a mistake.

Clint


Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Mueller
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:37 PM
To: Framers List
Subject: Re: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
Klaus
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PDF to Word Conversion

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:28:13 -0500,  wrote:

> I have been working on a manual for a while now, the manual is
>projected to be over 2000 pages to include, photographs, autocad
>drawings and diagrams. My client decided Friday that he now wants the
>entire document in word. 

As everyone else has said, this is a very, very, very Bad Idea.
Word is simply not stable enough to use for docs that size,
let alone the fact that it lacks so many common Frame features
that you will spend much of your editing time gritting your 
teeth to avoid screaming...

Ask him *why* he wants it in Word?  If it's because he wants
to edit using Word's Track Changes, fine, you can give him a
Word copy, made with Mif2Go, any time he wants one.  (Make one
Word file per chapter, *not* one file of the whole book.)
Then he can edit, send it back, and you can make his changes
into proper writing when you edit them into the Frame version.
Many of our customers use that workflow, and it works well.

>Is there anyway I could convert it to word,
>that will not be time consuming, or does anyone know any software that
>will convert a pdf to word and retain all formatting, graphics, etc. I
>tried saving the pdf as a word document, but a lot of the formatting was
>off. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Going via PDF is another Bad Idea, because PDF is, as Dov
said, a "final format", designed for print.  It is *not*
an interchange format.  Frame's native RTF export leaves
a lot behind.  Mif2Go does too, since there is nowhere to
put a lot of Frame information in Word, but what does get
there is complete, accurate, and looks remarkably like the 
Frame document it came from.  You can try the free demo at:
  http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm
and see for yourself if it will work for you.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

imported graphic on coloured background - thin white line around the inserted graphic

[Ulrike Forsberg (UFO)]

Thanks a lot for the input.
I have used the workaround "or produce the entire background color
with the image as a single bitmap." 

br,
Ulrike


-Original Message-
From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 7:11 PM
To: Ulrike Forsberg (UFO); framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: imported graphic on coloured background - thin white line
around the inserted graphic

Ulrike,

You wrote:

>I have a coloured background in my FM document and have added an image 
>with the same background colour (to make the inserted image look
>'transparent') by reference. I have no line around the image, just a 
>fill with the same RGB code as the background color in the FM document.
>Everything looks fine in FM, the contours of the inserted file are 
>invisible. I produce a pdf file, everthing is fine, no contours around 
>the inserted image visible. When I print the pdf, there is a fine white

>contour line around the inserted graphic, any suggestions how I can get

>rid of it? I tried to check the object properties, without success.


This problem is related to a bug in the PS output of FrameMaker (all
versions) on Windows. In the PostScript/PDF output produced by
FrameMaker/Windows, a solid white rectangle is placed underneath all
bitmaps. It has the same size as the bitmap, but may be displayed
occasionally (sometimes for a split second when you zoom in/out,
especially when the page is busy and the display is slow) or become
noticeable when printing.

You can easily see the solid white rectangle if you open the PDF in the
full version of Acrobat and use the Object TouchUp tool to drag items --
as you drag the image, you'll see a solid white rectangle below it.

Possible workarounds: explicitly set a thick border for the image (eg a
3-point border) with the same color as the background, or produce the
entire background color with the image as a single bitmap.
[ The solid white rectangle may not be placed underneath EPS bitmaps,
but this varies depending on the FM version and the way the PDF is
produced, and may not be consistent -- hence it is not a general-purpose
workaround ]


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * http://www.microtype.com
FrameMaker training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers

"Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions

Frame reference book

[barry.kief...@jeppesen.com]

Although outdated, my pick is "The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6" by Thomas 
Neuburger, published by Twelfth Night Books.

This book is both a teaching aid and a fine reference. Hopefully a newer 
edition is available. I use Frame 7 so this book is all I need.

Regards,
Barry 
Technical Writer
Commercial & Military Aviation
Portland, Oregon

Changed a format's tab stop & imported to 2nd doc--but 2nd doc's tab stop doesn't change

[cewi...@aep.com]

Hello all,

I've got a FM book with several documents in it. In document A, I changed 
a tab stop in my Header paragraph format--intending that I would then 
import formats into each of the other documents in the book. Naturally, 
I'm expecting that once I've done so, the header's tab stop would have 
automatically changed because I'd imported and therefore replaced its 
format. (Yes, the format's name is the same in all documents.)

So--after changing the format in document A, I saved document A and then 
switched to document B (already open), hit File>Import>Formats, selected 
document A, selected (only) Paragraph Formats, and hit Import. But when I 
check the header in document B, the tab stop has remained the same. :-(

I even tried importing both Paragraph Formats and Page Layouts...to no 
avail.

What am I missing here?

In case this makes any difference, I'm running FM 8.0p277 on Windows XP.

Thanks?
Connie
Connie Winch
Senior Technical Communicator
American Electric Power
cewinch at aep.com