Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Hi group I'm using Fm9.0p255, Windows XP SP3. I've got Fm files which contain Chinese text (OpenType font: Arial Unicode MS). Everything looks OK, but when I update my Fm book (Edit Update Book) and cross-references, the Chinese characters in cross-references become question marks. I can fix this by doing one of the following: - For each individual Fm file, choose Edit Update References All Cross-references, or - Save, close and reopen all files in my book. This is, of course, only a workaround. I guess this is a bug, right? Has anyone else seen this? Is this bug known to Adobe? Can I ask someone to develop a Framescript and charge Adobe for it? ;-) Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Yves, From a company we purchased, I inherited FrameMaker 7 files for several languages. I do not have FM7. I went from FM6 to FM9 (TCS2 actually, I am now at FM9.0p255). The European languages I inherited open fine in FM9. Their cross references looked great. But, the Chinese and Japanese versions all had the character's in their cross references get mangled as if FM9 could not find the correct font so it substituted some other font. All text other than the cross references looks great. No font problems at all, except in the cross references. I've not yet found a fix. It has been suggested that I get FM7, that perhaps either a FM9 bug or that the new FM9 Unicode font handling was my problem. But, it seems better to me that I figure out why the Chinese and Japanese cross-reference problems are occurring in FM9. Right now, however, I'm stumped. I am afraid that I am of no help to you, but, I do thank you for posting your work around. I plan to give them a try. Thanks! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Hi Yves, One thing you might try. Create a character format that specifies the correct font, and add this to the cross-reference building blocks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
You're welcome, Richard. I don't think I mentioned Fm7 in my original post, did I? And I don't know who advised you to get Fm7 (and I don't want to know), but that piece of advice just doesn't make any sense at all because: - Fm7 does not support Unicode. - I don't think you can buy Fm7 anymore (or you'd have to search for it really hard). Cheers Yves On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, ri...@inficon.com wrote: Yves, From a company we purchased, I inherited FrameMaker 7 files for several languages. I do not have FM7. I went from FM6 to FM9 (TCS2 actually, I am now at FM9.0p255). The European languages I inherited open fine in FM9. Their cross references looked great. But, the Chinese and Japanese versions all had the character's in their cross references get mangled as if FM9 could not find the correct font so it substituted some other font. All text other than the cross references looks great. No font problems at all, except in the cross references. I've not yet found a fix. It has been suggested that I get FM7, that perhaps either a FM9 bug or that the new FM9 Unicode font handling was my problem. But, it seems better to me that I figure out why the Chinese and Japanese cross-reference problems are occurring in FM9. Right now, however, I'm stumped. I am afraid that I am of no help to you, but, I do thank you for posting your work around. I plan to give them a try. Thanks! Richard -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise [SOLVED]
Hi Rick Right on! I've created a dedicated character format xref which uses Arial Unicode MS as font, and everything is fine now. Thank you very much! PS: Are you going to tekom tcworld next week? If you are, I'll buy you a beer (or two). Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote: Hi Yves, One thing you might try. Create a character format that specifies the correct font, and add this to the cross-reference building blocks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
convert inline elements to xrefs
Hi, I have elements like this one falsexref linkend=RE15report 15/falsexref which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. Any help is greatly appreciated, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Frame to RoboHelp Conversion
All, I have a Frame document that I am converting to RoboHelp; I was doing some reading about how to perform this task and came across a suggestion that instead of performing a full conversion, that it is better to link a Frame document to RoboHelp – great idea! This should make subsequent updates a breeze….. Additionally, I am not an expert user with either of these programs and still struggle with anything beyond formatting basics. Directions for this specific procedure are minimal at best – can anyone explain, in detail, how to do this? Also, I am unable to upload any plug-ins or additional software to aid in this task. Thanks! Morgan K. Morgan Saarikoski Systems Support Engineer Harris Corporation, Government Communications Systems Division (GCSD) Palm Bay, FL Bldg: 22/1803 Ph: 321.729.7225 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Does Belgium have a VAT? But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Temporarily hide graphics?
View Options Graphics Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Martinek, Carla cmarti...@zebra.com wrote: I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to turn off graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker in a doc such as this. Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application? -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Could it be that European countries impose huge taxes on Adobe and they're passing along those taxes to the customer? Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:17 AM To: l...@astoria-pacific.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 €) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 €) in France... From: l...@astoria-pacific.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM To: generic...@yahoo.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: From: Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo .ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently
RE: Frame to RoboHelp Conversion
Morgan Saarikoski wrote: I have a Frame document that I am converting to RoboHelp; I was doing some reading about how to perform this task and came across a suggestion that instead of performing a full conversion, that it is better to link a Frame document to RoboHelp - great idea! This should make subsequent updates a breeze. Additionally, I am not an expert user with either of these programs and still struggle with anything beyond formatting basics. Directions for this specific procedure are minimal at best - can anyone explain, in detail, how to do this? Also, I am unable to upload any plug-ins or additional software to aid in this task. You don't mention any version numbers. To link FM docs into RH projects, you need the Technical Communications Suite, which includes special versions of FM and RH that include the hooks to make this possible. So, unless you already have TCS, your last pgf means this workflow isn't an option. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I had this same situation on this list some time back. I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 (http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html ) Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 for the same thing for International customers. There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for shipping a small box anyway. No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly no one on the helpdesk. There was some discussion of it then. Michael learned a new word then: rort. Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I saw that too: Acrobat X. Sounds either mysterious or halfway to pornographic - which I doubt was their intent. Sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot trying to be cute. Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:42 AM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com wrote: But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker X
If Acrobat X is about to ship, can FrameMaker X be far behind? Maybe I should start trying to convince my company that once FM X ships we will have fallen out of the cheap (relatively) upgrade window from FM 7.0. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
On 29/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! In the inimitable words of Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. (That's my new answer for everything). Alan ROFL. Adobe pricing strikes again! Sigh ... Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7
Most of our company is still using Windows XP and FrameMaker 7. The IT group has set up a Windows 7 PC for testing, including FM 7.0, with patch 579. I have been using this setup through a remote desktop connection for some of my unstructured FM documents. All seems well except for seemingly random instances where Framemaker just locks up. I can close FM and restart with no trouble, but it is kind of annoying. Is there a fix for this behavior? Will setting startup compatibility to XP help? Thanks, Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Can you buy it from a US store? Your chat log sounds like a support bot. Either that or Daryll has been watching too many Ed Wood movies. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommd...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old-timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought Acrobat X (pronounced 10) meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old- timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
And if someone says, I'm an Acrobat X user, are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat X. Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Mike Wickham wrote: And if someone says, I'm an Acrobat X user, are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Well, it does offer Adobe a great new marketing opportunity: sponsoring the Acrobat X Games. (Sorry, but Friday's getting close!) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support. But I don't need support! Was he trying to say they have *to* offer free support? In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Sorry, I misspoke - not Nov 1. Maybe Adobe has not formally announced anything, but according to Amazon, it is a Dec 1 release date: http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65083161-Acrobat-X-Professional/dp/B0046DH8PC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1288308342sr=8-1 Given that Adobe is offering free shipping from Oct 17 through Nov 30 (from the e-mail I received directly from Adobe on Oct 18) - that Dec 1 date *seems* consistent to previous similar offers. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced Acrobat Ten - as usual, it's a marketing thing ... - Dov -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is X instead of 10. :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that X is pronounced ten. Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lore...@onsemi.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I thought maybe Acrobat was going radical on us (like Malcolm X)! Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35 PM To: i...@spectrumwritingllc.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought Acrobat X (pronounced 10) meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the artist formerly known as Prince for all you old- timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said Acrobat X (pronounced 10). In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gfl...@nanometrics.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Temporarily hide graphics?
On 28/10/2010 11:06 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote: Never mind... spend 10 minutes looking, send the email, and *then* find it. Show Graphics - Esc Shift+v v s Hide Graphics - Esc Shift+v v h -Original Message- From: Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Temporarily hide graphics? I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to turn off graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker in a doc such as this. Or: Alt + v, o, Alt + i (Opens View menu, selects Options, toggles images.) The Alt key is your friend :-) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Hi group I'm using Fm9.0p255, Windows XP SP3. I've got Fm files which contain Chinese text (OpenType font: Arial Unicode MS). Everything looks OK, but when I update my Fm book (Edit > Update Book) and cross-references, the Chinese characters in cross-references become question marks. I can fix this by doing one of the following: - For each individual Fm file, choose Edit > Update References > All Cross-references, or - Save, close and reopen all files in my book. This is, of course, only a workaround. I guess this is a bug, right? Has anyone else seen this? Is this bug known to Adobe? Can I ask someone to develop a Framescript and charge Adobe for it? ;-) Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu
Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Yves, >From a company we purchased, I inherited FrameMaker 7 files for several languages. I do not have FM7. I went from FM6 to FM9 (TCS2 actually, I am now at FM9.0p255). The European languages I inherited open fine in FM9. Their cross references looked great. But, the Chinese and Japanese versions all had the character's in their cross references get mangled as if FM9 could not find the correct font so it substituted some other font. All text other than the cross references looks great. No font problems at all, except in the cross references. I've not yet found a fix. It has been suggested that I get FM7, that perhaps either a FM9 bug or that the new FM9 Unicode font handling was my problem. But, it seems better to me that I figure out why the Chinese and Japanese cross-reference problems are occurring in FM9. Right now, however, I'm stumped. I am afraid that I am of no help to you, but, I do thank you for posting your work around. I plan to give them a try. Thanks! Richard
Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
Hi Yves, One thing you might try. Create a character format that specifies the correct font, and add this to the cross-reference building blocks. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support". But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu
Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise
You're welcome, Richard. I don't think I mentioned Fm7 in my original post, did I? And I don't know who advised you to get Fm7 (and I don't want to know), but that piece of advice just doesn't make any sense at all because: - Fm7 does not support Unicode. - I don't think you can buy Fm7 anymore (or you'd have to search for it really hard). Cheers Yves On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, wrote: > Yves, > > From a company we purchased, I inherited FrameMaker 7 files for several > languages. > > I do not have FM7. I went from FM6 to FM9 (TCS2 actually, I am now at > FM9.0p255). > > The European languages I inherited open fine in FM9. Their cross > references looked great. > > But, the Chinese and Japanese versions all had the character's in their > cross references get mangled as if FM9 could not find the correct font so > it substituted some other font. All text other than the cross references > looks great. No font problems at all, except in the cross references. > > I've not yet found a fix. It has been suggested that I get FM7, that > perhaps either a FM9 bug or that the new FM9 Unicode font handling was my > problem. > > But, it seems better to me that I figure out why the Chinese and Japanese > cross-reference problems are occurring in FM9. Right now, however, I'm > stumped. > > I am afraid that I am of no help to you, but, I do thank you for posting > your work around. I plan to give them a try. > > Thanks! > Richard > > > -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu
Fm9.0p255: trouble in Unicode paradise [SOLVED]
Hi Rick Right on! I've created a dedicated character format which uses Arial Unicode MS as font, and everything is fine now. Thank you very much! PS: Are you going to tekom tcworld next week? If you are, I'll buy you a beer (or two). Cheers -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Yves, > > One thing you might try. Create a character format that specifies the > correct font, and add this to the cross-reference building blocks. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-659-8267 > rick at frameexpert.com > > *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com > > >
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > From: Yves Barbion > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 > Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the > US Store > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a > European Adobe Store > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation > they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have > offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me > that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste > me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe > Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you > with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the > reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure > that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that > decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish > using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is > different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that > decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and > info. > gm
convert inline elements to xrefs
Hi, I have elements like this one report 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. Any help is greatly appreciated, Jakob.
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. *scratches head* Nadine --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > From: Yves Barbion > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > no > update) costs: > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > free support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > with my product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > HUGE difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > in the perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > in the perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > .ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > gm ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Temporarily hide graphics?
I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to "turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker in a doc such as this. Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application? -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
Temporarily hide graphics?
Never mind... spend 10 minutes looking, send the email, and *then* find it. Show Graphics - Esc Shift+v v s Hide Graphics - Esc Shift+v v h -Original Message- From: Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Temporarily hide graphics? I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you to "turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files quicker in a doc such as this. Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application? -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf
I've been slow to acknowledge some great ideas and suggestions. Thanks everybody. Currently grappling with the transition from FM6 on XP to FM9 on Win 7. No doubt there will be more questions to follow... :) Jo. -Original Message- From: Georg Eck [mailto:e...@squidds.de] Sent: 21 October 2010 06:28 To: Jo Watkiss; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: AW: off topic: e-drawings, eps files, frame and pdf Hi Jo, one of more solutions, following with e-drawings and Acrobat 8 or 9 Pro Ext.: 1. Open Acrobat 8 Pro 3D or 9 Pro Ext. 2. Open the drawing with e-drawings, move it in the position you like it. 3. Push PRTSC and the graphic from e-drawings will save in Acrobat, you can save it as u3d in PDF. 4. Import this in your FrameMaker file. Other way: 1. Open the Solidworks original file with Acrobat 8 Pro 3D Toolkit, Acrobat 9 Pro Ext. 3D Previewer or Take DEEP EXPLORATION from Right Hemisphere. 2. Now you can reduce objects and save it as u3d. 2. Import this in your FrameMaker file. Add-On: If you like to set links in FrameMaker to views and animations in you u3d and to create a 3D PDF, then take SQUIDDS 3D Communication Package (www.squidds.de/en/3dpdf) - Georg Framers, I know this is way off topic - but knowing how much knowledge there is on here, I'm hoping somebody can point me to a good resource or forum to help. I'm trying to get vector images from Solidworks e-drawings into FrameMaker and then to PDF. However in the resulting PDF, the vectors draw so slowly on the page that it is causing problems for our readers.
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax:? 503-655-7367 lea at astoria-pacific.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > *scratches head* > > Nadine > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > From: Yves Barbion > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > no > > update) costs: > > > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > selection today? > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > $299 in the US > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > HUGE difference in price? > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > software? > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Yves Barbion > > www.scripto.nu > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > > .ca > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > gm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.co > m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- > pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Validate FrameMaker message URL links
Hello Framers, I am developing a script that will go through all of the message URL Hypertext links in a document or book and validate them. It will actually "try" each link to make sure they point to a valid URL. A hyperlinked log file will be created for any invalid links, so you can easily get the problem markers. The script will require FrameScript and MSXML 4.0 or higher (Microsoft's free XML parser). If I have enough interest, I can get the cost down to around $100. Please contact me offlist if you are interested. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
convert inline elements to xrefs
Thanks everybody for their input such as: * use a FrameMaker plugin called Node Wizard. This could work very well if the target element wouldn't be an element of type Cross-Reference which is "special" and can't easily be generated, at least that's what I've seen from a quick test. I'd love to be told that there is a way. * write a FrameScript - I'm no expert, but this could well be a possibility, and the documents would stay in Frame (i.e. no loss of manual formatting tweaks). * write an XSLT transformation. I know how to do this, but: The FrameMaker files have already suffered manual tweaks which, I think, would be lost when exporting to XML. * write a script (Python). well, yes, probably, but first you need to get the FrameMaker files into a format that's readable by Python, such as XML (see above). * I also thought then to use the FM -> MIF -> XML+XSLT -> MIF -> FM route which would at least retain the manual modifications, or not? For this I looked at and downloaded Leximation's MIFML tool, which is documented to be able to read 7.2 files. We're using 9.0 for this project. Have there been any dramatic changes between these two versions on the MIF format? There's also a three year-old MIF <-> XML tool written in Java by the guys from O'Reilly (http://left.subtree.org/2007/01/25/converting-mif-to-xml/) but again it's probably not ready to grok the latest and greatest MIF. any more thoughts? Thanks, Jakob. > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:02 AM > To: Framers List > Subject: convert inline elements to xrefs > > Hi, > > I have elements like this one report > 15 which are defined in the DTD as normal elements. > > Now, I have been asked to convert them all to native FrameMaker xref > elements, (with the correct xref format if possible). > > As there are hundreds if not thousands of these falsexref elements, I > need to find some kind of (semi-)automated approach. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons > emi.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
At 16:03 +0200 28/10/10, Yves Barbion wrote: >Huh? Darryl is maybe a computer program of some sort? I had a similar exchange with PayPal recently. That time, after wending my way through an impenetrable forest of web options, I talked to a real, [apparently] human female, but for all the sense I got out of her she might as well have been a robot. There has always been a huge differential in the price of Adobe products between Europe and the US afaik. The reason is... yes, you guessed it... 'the cost of doing business in each country'. I 'dunno about perceived value: if you need a tool, you need the tool... it's not as if you're sitting there thinking 'Shall I buy Acrobat Pro, or shall I buy JoeSmurf's BitLikeAcrobat CrippleProduct instead and save thirty bucks? Maybe someone from Adobe could explain it? -- Steve
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 ?) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 ?) in France... > From: lea at astoria-pacific.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 > > Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > > > *scratches head* > > > > Nadine > > > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > > > From: Yves Barbion > > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > > no > > > update) costs: > > > > > >- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > >http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > >- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > >- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > > selection today? > > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > > $299 in the US > > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > > HUGE difference in price? > > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > > software? > > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Yves Barbion > > > www.scripto.nu > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > > > .ca > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > > Visit > > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > gm > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.co > > m > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- > > pacific.com >
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Does Belgium have a VAT? But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ? - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ? http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ? - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ? - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Temporarily hide graphics?
View > Options > Graphics Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote: > I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, > checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. > > I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that allowed you > to "turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page through the FM files > quicker in a doc such as this. > > Help? Or am I mis-remembering this and thinking of another application? > > -Carla > > > > > - CONFIDENTIAL- > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also > be legally privileged. ?If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in > error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete > this email. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Could it be that European countries impose huge taxes on Adobe and they're passing along those taxes to the customer? Thank you, ? Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 ?? 408.232.5911 4 gflato at nanometrics.com "Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:17 AM To: lea at astoria-pacific.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy FrameMaker 9 is 999 $ (717 ?) in the US and 1600 $ (1148 ?) in France... > From: lea at astoria-pacific.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:32:50 -0700 > > Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > > > *scratches head* > > > > Nadine > > > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > > > From: Yves Barbion > > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > > no > > > update) costs: > > > > > >- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > >http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > >- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > >- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me > > > was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer > > > free support". But I don't need support! > > > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can > > > have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me > > > with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > > selection today? > > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > > $299 in the US > > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this > > > HUGE difference in price? > > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > > software? > > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference > > > in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Yves Barbion > > > www.scripto.nu > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > > or visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo > > > .ca > > > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > > Visit > > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > gm > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at
Frame to RoboHelp Conversion
Morgan Saarikoski wrote: > I have a Frame document that I am converting to RoboHelp; I was doing some > reading about how to perform this task and came across a suggestion that > instead of performing a full conversion, that it is better to link a Frame > document to RoboHelp - great idea! This should make subsequent updates a > breeze. > > Additionally, I am not an expert user with either of these programs and > still struggle with anything beyond formatting basics. Directions for this > specific procedure are minimal at best - can anyone explain, in detail, how > to do this? > > Also, I am unable to upload any plug-ins or additional software to aid in > this task. You don't mention any version numbers. To link FM docs into RH projects, you need the Technical Communications Suite, which includes special versions of FM and RH that include the "hooks" to make this possible. So, unless you already have TCS, your last pgf means this workflow isn't an option. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Lea Rush quipped: Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) But Daryl is quite deft at sticking to the talking points and he even tried skirting the question with a change-the-subject quick-step. He's already got the "We understand your concern blah-blah-blah" down pat. Just replace "How can we help you?" with "What do I have to do to get your vote?" and Daryl's political career is half-way to the Oval Office. -DJ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:04 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Hi group Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no update) costs: - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store http://bit.ly/aXhtLv - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free support". But I don't need support! When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your selection today? Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE difference in price? Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the software? Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. Huh? -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)". In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: >> But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > Mike Wickham > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
[Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Point taken -- but a skilled political debating coach could fix up that small flaw. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lea Rush Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:33 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Not quite - his answer is somewhat related to the question. ;) _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax:? 503-655-7367 lea at astoria-pacific.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pinkham, Jim > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:55 AM > To: generic668 at yahoo.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: RE: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Clearly, Darryl should run for office. His talents are being wasted :) > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Yves Barbion > Subject: Re: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Wow! That is awesome bafflegab. > > *scratches head* > > Nadine > > --- On Thu, 10/28/10, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > From: Yves Barbion > > Subject: [Bulk] [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:03 AM Hi group > > > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > > no > > update) costs: > > > > ???- US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > > ???http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > > ???- US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > > ???- http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave > > me was that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have > > offer free support". But I don't need support! > > > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I > > can have a live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to > > assiste me with my product selection. This is the result: > > > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > > selection today? > > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs > > $299 in the US > > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for > > this HUGE difference in price? > > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > > giving our Customers the best products and at the right price. > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > > 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. > > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > > software? > > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > > like 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the > > 'difference in the perceived value of the product'. > > > > Huh? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Yves Barbion > > www.scripto.nu > > ___ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as generic668 at yahoo.ca. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yah > > oo > > .ca > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. > > Visit > > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > gm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voit > h.co > m > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- > pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I saw that too: Acrobat X. Sounds either mysterious or halfway to pornographic - which I doubt was their intent. Sometimes you shoot yourself in the foot trying to be cute. Alison Alison Craig, Technical Writer Ultrasonix Medical Corporation Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127 E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:42 AM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy http://www.adobe.com/ Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: >> But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > Mike Wickham > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.craig at ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z
FrameMaker X
If Acrobat X is about to ship, can FrameMaker X be far behind? Maybe I should start trying to convince my company that once FM X ships we will have fallen out of the cheap (relatively) upgrade window from FM 7.0. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > Mike Wickham I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Clint.Owen at craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> On 29/10/2010, at 8:08 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe > > upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro > > *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only > > one X Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can > > know). > > > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be > > lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended > > version! > In the inimitable words of Darryl: > "Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the perceived value of the product'." > (That's my new answer for everything). > > Alan ROFL. Adobe pricing strikes again! Sigh ... Z
FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7
Most of our company is still using Windows XP and FrameMaker 7. The IT group has set up a Windows 7 PC for testing, including FM 7.0, with patch 579. I have been using this setup through a remote desktop connection for some of my unstructured FM documents. All seems well except for seemingly random instances where Framemaker just locks up. I can close FM and restart with no trouble, but it is kind of annoying. Is there a fix for this behavior? Will setting startup compatibility to XP help? Thanks, Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I > believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). > It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X > Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - > since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Acrobat X was announced, but is certainly not yet shipping. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Art Campbell > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:36 AM > To: Yves Barbion > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > Does Belgium have a VAT? > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > Art Campbell
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Can you buy it from a US store? Your chat log sounds like a support bot. Either that or Daryll has been watching too many Ed Wood movies. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > ? - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > ? http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > ? - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > ? - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > > > > > > -- > Yves Barbion > www.scripto.nu > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as techcommdood at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/techcommdood%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
How about the software application formerly known as Adobe Framemaker? (Ya' know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old-timers out there - dating myself I know!!) TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com info at spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)". In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product name, it isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version isn't XI. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as info at spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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And if someone says, "I'm an Acrobat X user," are they bragging or disgruntled? :) Mike Wickham
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Well, darn. I misread the original message and thought you were talking about FrameMaker 10 coming out. I knew about Acrobat "X." Good luck getting people to pronounce it as Acrobat 10. I still hear people say OSX instead of OS 10. What a stupid naming idea. You just know some bug will be found which will cause users to say that Acrobat X accidentally deletes files and creates X-files. They're just asking for it. On the other hand, version 30 will probably sell like hotcakes. I hope the next version of FrameMaker stays with Arabic numerals instead of converting to Roman ones. Sheesh.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Mike Wickham wrote: > And if someone says, "I'm an Acrobat X user," are they bragging or > disgruntled? :) Well, it does offer Adobe a great new marketing opportunity: sponsoring the Acrobat X Games. (Sorry, but Friday's getting close!) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, no > update) costs: > > - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > Was he trying to say they "have *to* offer free support?" In other words, does EU law (or general expectation of EU customers) require free product support? If so, this might explain the difference: $229 gets you a product out the door; $554 buys you hand-holding (whether you predict you will ask for it or not...). Just guessing here... --William -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Sorry, I misspoke - not Nov 1. Maybe Adobe has not formally announced anything, but according to Amazon, it is a Dec 1 release date: http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-65083161-Acrobat-X-Professional/dp/B0046DH8PC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1288308342=8-1 Given that Adobe is offering "free shipping" from Oct 17 through Nov 30 (from the e-mail I received directly from Adobe on Oct 18) - that Dec 1 date *seems* consistent to previous similar offers. Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I > believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). > It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X > Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - > since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
Yeah, it's really quite amusing. I got an email about beta testing FrameMaker X, and they said that "X" is pronounced "ten". Fei Min -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:41 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as feimin.lorente at onsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/feimin.lorente%40ons emi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
I thought maybe Acrobat was going radical on us (like Malcolm X)! Thank you, ? Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 ?? 408.232.5911 4 gflato at nanometrics.com "Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:35 PM To: info at spectrumwritingllc.com Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Mike Wickham' Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Well, I have to thank Dov for clarifying the numbering thing because I thought "Acrobat X (pronounced 10)" meant a return to version two! 8^0. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 10:14 AM, Spectrum Writing wrote: > How about the software application formerly known as Adobe > Framemaker? (Ya' > know, like the "artist formerly known as Prince" for all you old- > timers out > there - dating myself I know!!) > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Owner/Principal > Spectrum Writing, LLC > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > info at spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:34 PM > To: 'Mike Wickham'; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > I read one of Adobe's press releases that said "Acrobat X > (pronounced 10)". > In my opinion, if you have to explain how to pronounce a product > name, it > isn't a good choice for a name. Let's just hope the next version > isn't XI. > -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Temporarily hide graphics?
On 28/10/2010 11:06 AM, Martinek, Carla wrote: > Never mind... spend 10 minutes looking, send the email, and *then* > find it. > > Show Graphics - Esc Shift+v v s Hide Graphics - Esc Shift+v v h > > > > -Original Message- From: Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, > October 28, 2010 10:04 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: > Temporarily hide graphics? > > I'm paging through a very large, graphics-intense maintenance manual, > checking pagination, headers/footers, etc. > > I'm having a brain cramp, and I thought there was a command that > allowed you to "turn off" graphics. This would allow you to page > through the FM files quicker in a doc such as this. > Or: Alt + v, o, Alt + i (Opens View menu, selects Options, toggles images.) The Alt key is your friend :-) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
> "No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me?" Darryl, maybe? tims :) -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan T Litchfield Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:41 PM To: Yves Barbion Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy I had this same situation on this list some time back. I said this on the list on 18 October, 2009 (http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2009-October/018261.html ) > Can anyone explain to me why it is that Adobe charges USD399 for the > upgrade of FrameMaker to version 9 for domestic customers but USD515 > for the same thing for International customers. > > There are no shipping costs when it has been downloaded and even if > shipping were included I don't see how they can charge USD116 for > shipping a small box anyway. > > No I haven't asked Adobe, who there could possibly tell me. Certainly > no one on the helpdesk. There was some discussion of it then. Michael learned a new word then: rort. Darryl learned something too. If in doubt, obfuscate. Alan On 29/10/2010, at 3:03 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Hi group > > Can someone please explain to me why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard (Full, > no > update) costs: > > - US $299 (216 EUR) when I buy it in the US Store > http://bit.ly/aXhtLv > - US $554 (401 EUR) when I buy it in a European Adobe Store > - http://bit.ly/dtOSd3 > > I called Customer Support in Belgium and the explanation they gave > me was > that "the price in the US is lower because they don't have offer free > support". But I don't need support! > > When I go to the Adobe store, a pop-up appears, telling me that I > can have a > live text chat with an Adobe Product Specialist to assiste me with my > product selection. This is the result: > > Please hold as we route your chat to an Adobe Representative. > Welcome to Adobe.com! My name is Darryl. May I assist you with your > selection today? > Darryl: Hello, how can I help you? > Yves: I'd like to know why Adobe Acrobat 9 Standard costs $299 in > the US > Store and $554 in the Belgian Adobe Store? What's the reason for > this HUGE > difference in price? > Darryl: We understand your concern. We want to make sure that we are > giving > our Customers the best products and at the right price. > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the > perceived value of the product'. > Darryl: What are some of the tasks you like to accomplish using the > software? > Yves: Not relevant here: product is the same, price is different. Why? > Darryl: Just so you know, there are many factors that decide pricing > like > 'the cost of doing business in each country' and the 'difference in > the > perceived value of the product'. > > Huh? > > -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tslager at isdcorporation.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tslager%40isdcorporation.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7
I have noticed something similar with my FM 7 and Windows 7 setup. Often, I will get a "Not Responding" notification in the FM title bar. It looks like FM is locked, but after awhile, control does eventually return to FM. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Owen, Clint wrote: > Most of our company is still using Windows XP and FrameMaker 7. > > The IT group has set up a Windows 7 PC for testing, including FM 7.0, > with patch 579. > > I have been using this setup through a remote desktop connection for > some of my unstructured FM documents. All seems well except for > seemingly random instances where Framemaker just locks up. I can close > FM and restart with no trouble, but it is kind of annoying. > > Is there a fix for this behavior? Will setting startup compatibility to > XP help? > > Thanks, > > Clint > > > Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 > 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 > > > We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? > Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: > http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx > Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. > > > Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: > The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is > confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly > prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify > the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments > from > your electronic files. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mheavin at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mheavin%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
How quaint. Roman Numerals for a software release. Will the documentation be created using Old English Text? I'm very curious why Marketing chose to do that. Debbie Layton Technical Writer Customer Publications 503.582.6822 debbie.layton at xerox.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy Acrobat X is not shipping yet nor has Adobe committed to a November 1 ship date. It is pronounced "Acrobat Ten" - as usual, it's a marketing "thing" ... - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:08 PM > To: Mike Wickham; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: [OT] Adobe's pricing policy > > > > But why bother with 9? X is shipping... > > > Say what? When? And are they really going to call it X instead of 10? > > > Mike Wickham > > I got my e-mail from Adobe about this sometime last week as I recall. I believe the shipping date is > Nov 1, but forget where I saw that. > > And, I have no idea why it is "X" instead of "10". :) > > My only [usual] gripe is with the upgrade pricing (like all Adobe upgrades!). It is $199 regardless of > whether you have Acrobat 9 Pro *or* Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to go to Acrobat X Pro (there is only one X > Pro version - nothing called X Pro Extended as far as I can know). > > IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a > premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! > > Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as debbie.layton at xerox.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/debbie.layton%40xero x.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
[OT] Adobe's pricing policy
As near as I can tell from their website, Adobe have abandoned the 3-D functionality altogether in version 10. So a big chunk of "extended" is gone from Acrobat X Pro anyway. Maybe they should pay us to make the switch from Acrobat 9 Pro Extended to Acrobat X Pro! Oh well. John -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) IMHO, the price for going from 9 Pro Extended to X Pro should be lower - since we already paid a premium for that 9 Pro Extended version! Z
