Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/12/2014 3:11 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you should be using) .. OR .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Global Application Definitions. The app definitions in the local file are typically those that you create for your own use. The global app definitions are those for apps provided by Adobe. I recommend that people never modify the default apps .. either create your own from scratch (for advanced users only), or clone the default apps and give them a new name and modify those (the most likely scenario). You will mess up the apps (everyone does), and it's important to have the default unmodified apps to go back to for testing. In general you should be able to have all the apps installed and available for use at the same time. The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? snip I'd start by using DocBook (or DITA) out of the box, totally unmodified. Which one, SGML or XML? Get comfortable with that and then try making any needed modifications (after cloning the apps). You don't have to use the entire model, just use the bits that you need and ignore the rest. If you're just learning how this all works, starting off by trying to modify things is just going to cause huge amounts of grief. Do I understand correctly that to clone the app, I Edit Global Application Definitions then copy/paste the section of structapps.fm with the Application name DocBook from the demarking line to the demarking line (line across the page) and give it a new name like TDocBook or is there more to it than this? Do I also find the ..\docbook\app\ directories and copy contents to new directories? As for Entity locations Public ID and Filename (local), do I rename these (in the cloned area) to reflect the new name and directories? What else do I need to do? Thanks very much, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame
On 8/13/14 8:33 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 3:11 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you should be using) .. OR .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Global Application Definitions. The app definitions in the local file are typically those that you create for your own use. The global app definitions are those for apps provided by Adobe. I recommend that people never modify the default apps .. either create your own from scratch (for advanced users only), or clone the default apps and give them a new name and modify those (the most likely scenario). You will mess up the apps (everyone does), and it's important to have the default unmodified apps to go back to for testing. In general you should be able to have all the apps installed and available for use at the same time. The structapps.fm file which I did open has 3 varieties of DocBook in it (SGML DocBook, XML DocBook, DocBook2.2.1). How do I choose which DocBook file to start with? snip I'd start by using DocBook (or DITA) out of the box, totally unmodified. Which one, SGML or XML? XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :) Get comfortable with that and then try making any needed modifications (after cloning the apps). You don't have to use the entire model, just use the bits that you need and ignore the rest. If you're just learning how this all works, starting off by trying to modify things is just going to cause huge amounts of grief. Do I understand correctly that to clone the app, I Edit Global Application Definitions then copy/paste the section of structapps.fm with the Application name DocBook from the demarking line to the demarking line (line across the page) and give it a new name like TDocBook or is there more to it than this? Do I also find the ..\docbook\app\ directories and copy contents to new directories? There more to it. You need to create a new structure app definition (and probably create it in the local app definition file not the global one), but you also have to clone the app files themselves (at least the template, which contains the EDD). This topic described cloning the default DITA-FMx apps. The process will be different for the default FM apps, but the basic concept is the same. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/2.0/?ditafmx_cloningtapps.html The important thing is that you have to edit the EDD within the template to change the app name in there. If you just edit the name of the app in the structure app definition, it'll seem like it's working, but won't really work. You'll open a file with your app, but once it's open, the app name inside the EDD will define how it's saved, and it'll use the default app instead of yours .. very confusing. As for Entity locations Public ID and Filename (local), do I rename these (in the cloned area) to reflect the new name and directories? What else do I need to do? This will depend on what you're modifying. Your app definition can continue to point to the default DTDs and entity definitions, if you're not modifying them, but if you are, then you have to copy those files into your new app folder (or whereever), and point to them there. These questions are hard to answer without knowing what you're changing. This is why it's best to use the default apps first and learn how it all works before modifying anything. Cheers, ...scott Thanks very much, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame
Theresa, To learn all this stuff more efficiently you should buy Kay Ethier's book XML and FrameMaker and work through it. This book is slightly out of date and things are now more streamlined in the newer versions of Framemaker, but it gives a very clear idea of what is necessary to set up a structured application. Also, playing with the built-in DITA application also gives a simplified view of a structured application (in the sense that many parts of the structured app are predefined to meet the DITA standard). Good luck. Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Copy Special for a Table Tag
Hi, Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Copy Special for a Table Tag
Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi,Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag
Are you trying to change all the tables in a document from one table tag to another table tag, or are you trying to update all the properties of a particular table tag? If the first, you can do it using the Global Update option. 1. Put your cursor inside the one of the tables 2. Open Table Designer 3. Select the new table tag from the drop-down list 4. From the Commands drop-down, select Global Update options 5. Select All Properties and All Tagged. Set All Tagged to the OLD table tag (the one you want to change FROM) 6. Click Update. Click OK to confirm that you want to change all the tables tagged with the OLD tag to the NEW tag. If the second, open the Table Designer, update the properties, and click Update All. All tables with the same tag will get the new properties. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig -- Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi, Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag
Oh, yes, and it's possible that Rick Quattro's TableCleaner plugin would be useful. It has a few commands to do with applying one cell's (or table's) properties across all the tables in a single document. Highly recommended! On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote: Are you trying to change all the tables in a document from one table tag to another table tag, or are you trying to update all the properties of a particular table tag? If the first, you can do it using the Global Update option. 1. Put your cursor inside the one of the tables 2. Open Table Designer 3. Select the new table tag from the drop-down list 4. From the Commands drop-down, select Global Update options 5. Select All Properties and All Tagged. Set All Tagged to the OLD table tag (the one you want to change FROM) 6. Click Update. Click OK to confirm that you want to change all the tables tagged with the OLD tag to the NEW tag. If the second, open the Table Designer, update the properties, and click Update All. All tables with the same tag will get the new properties. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig -- Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi, Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Copy Special for a Table Tag
But note that not all properties of a table format are applied to an existing table when you change it to a new format. Column widths, in particular, are not changed after the fact; the column widths that are part of a table format are only the defaults that are applied to a *new* table. Same thing for the paragraph tags that are remembered for the heading row, and the first row and column of the body; these are only the defaults that will be applied to a new table. -Fred Ridder Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:46:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: craig...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com Are you trying to change all the tables in a document from one table tag to another table tag, or are you trying to update all the properties of a particular table tag? If the first, you can do it using the Global Update option. 1. Put your cursor inside the one of the tables 2. Open Table Designer 3. Select the new table tag from the drop-down list 4. From the Commands drop-down, select Global Update options 5. Select All Properties and All Tagged. Set All Tagged to the OLD table tag (the one you want to change FROM) 6. Click Update. Click OK to confirm that you want to change all the tables tagged with the OLD tag to the NEW tag. If the second, open the Table Designer, update the properties, and click Update All. All tables with the same tag will get the new properties. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi,Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag
Yep. Fred's right. Which is (one of the many reasons) why Rick's plugin is so damned handy. It'll update all the cell formats and you can alter all the table widths. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote: But note that not all properties of a table format are applied to an existing table when you change it to a new format. Column widths, in particular, are not changed after the fact; the column widths that are part of a table format are only the defaults that are applied to a *new* table. Same thing for the paragraph tags that are remembered for the heading row, and the first row and column of the body; these are only the defaults that will be applied to a new table. -Fred Ridder -- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:46:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: craig...@hotmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com; dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com Are you trying to change all the tables in a document from one table tag to another table tag, or are you trying to update all the properties of a particular table tag? If the first, you can do it using the Global Update option. 1. Put your cursor inside the one of the tables 2. Open Table Designer 3. Select the new table tag from the drop-down list 4. From the Commands drop-down, select Global Update options 5. Select All Properties and All Tagged. Set All Tagged to the OLD table tag (the one you want to change FROM) 6. Click Update. Click OK to confirm that you want to change all the tables tagged with the OLD tag to the NEW tag. If the second, open the Table Designer, update the properties, and click Update All. All tables with the same tag will get the new properties. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Sounds like a job for an ExtendScript. Craig -- Subject: Copy Special for a Table Tag From: dixit.ponnuk...@tcs.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 22:49:39 +0530 Hi, Just wanted to know if there is a way to apply the table properties through the Copy Special option for a table tag in FrameMaker. Right now, I am handling a migration work where the existing content has to be transformed to a different template. For which, this option would be handy. Because if this is feasible, then I can use the Find/Replace - By Pasting option and I will be able to convert all the tables in one go as opposed to applying the table tag by individually selecting each table from the document. Please advise. Thanks Regards Dixit Ponnukasu -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I started to fail with this error: Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014 Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found. It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed. Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; they were all good. Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go did not fix it. Today is does not work on two different computers with different files. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
If you don't get anything here, you might try the new mif2go list .. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mif2go/info ...scott On 8/13/14 12:53 PM, John Sgammato wrote: Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I started to fail with this error: Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014 Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found. It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed. Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; they were all good. Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go did not fix it. Today is does not work on two different computers with different files. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service. -- http://www.actifio.com/ *John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com mailto:john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t*@actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifio http://www.actifio.com/ /Radically simple copy data management / /.// / ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)
On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :) OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes para). How does one use DITA for: --Book Chapter --Section Body Is this what the DITA map is? [And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 8-) ] Thanks, Theresa P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be here for several days ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)
It sounds like you need to read up on the fundamentals of DITA. Would be more informative than what you'll likely get from this list. This is a good place to start .. http://dita.xml.org/book/dita-wiki-knowledgebase Fundamentally, DITA is all about organizing your content in modular chunks called topics. A topic may be a generic model called topic or a more specialized (restrictive) model called concept, task, reference (or other). You assemble topics (typically separate files, but you can have single files that contain multiple topics) into hierarchies using a dita map. You can further assemble hierarchies by having maps within maps .. it all depends on how you want to arrange your content. One option for the top-most map is to use a map type called bookmap. A bookmap can have special elements that define groups of topics as a chapter, appendix, or part, and you can add frontmatter and backmatter elements that contain elements that become your generated lists (toc, indexlist, etc). Within a topic you'll have a structure that provides for a title (required), a short description (optional), some metadata (within a prolog element), then a body element that contains the main content of the topic. The markup within the body is very much like HTML, you'll see elements like p, ul, li, and within paragraphs you can have inline markup like b, i, ph, and many others. Your best bet is to just use the New DITA File menu to create a new topic (of any type) and give it a try. Don't worry about the actual structured applications that are in use at this point, you're getting way ahead of yourself. The default setup in FM (since FM10) is to have separate apps for each topic type. This more closely mirrors the official DTD structure, but makes it much harder for FM users. Figure out which XML model you want to use, then you can decide how (or if) you want to customize it. Remember that with DITA (XML in general), you really shouldn't worry about what the documents look like when you're authoring, you should only care what they look like when published. So you should be able to use the default apps and models exactly as they are, and just set up a publishing process that applies the right templates and formatting. Cheers, ...scott On 8/13/14 1:52 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :) OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes para). How does one use DITA for: --Book Chapter --Section Body Is this what the DITA map is? [And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 8-) ] Thanks, Theresa P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be here for several days ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)
Hi, I am going to offer a contrary opinion. I wouldn't start with DocBook, DITA, or any existing applications. I would create a simple, custom application to get my feet wet. I do this when I train clients, even if they are using DITA, etc. It helps them to digest the concepts with a small application; then they can figure out how to get around in larger applications. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:53 PM To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA) On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :) OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes para). How does one use DITA for: --Book Chapter --Section Body Is this what the DITA map is? [And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 8-) ] Thanks, Theresa P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be here for several days ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
And if you do find a fix, let us know, just in case someone else runs into the same issue. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: If you don't get anything here, you might try the new mif2go list .. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mif2go/info ...scott On 8/13/14 12:53 PM, John Sgammato wrote: Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I started to fail with this error: Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014 Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found. It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed. Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; they were all good. Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go did not fix it. Today is does not work on two different computers with different files. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Mif2Go suddenly failing on all machines
I'd be very grateful if a few of my colleagues here could try a quick mif2go save and see if you get the DCL not found error. On Aug 13, 2014 6:15 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote: And if you do find a fix, let us know, just in case someone else runs into the same issue. On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: If you don't get anything here, you might try the new mif2go list .. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mif2go/info ...scott On 8/13/14 12:53 PM, John Sgammato wrote: Yesterday I was generating a bunch of XHTML output with Mif2Go, when suddenly I started to fail with this error: Mif2Go failed for file: C:\Project\Users_Roles.html type 1, code 2, at: Wed Aug 13 15:46:36 2014 Could not run DCL filter or other program. File not found. It had worked fine just an hour before. Nothing had changed. Nonetheless I rechecked all my environment variables and other common issues; they were all good. Restarting the machine did not fix it. A complete uninstall/reinstall of Mif2Go did not fix it. Today is does not work on two different computers with different files. Is anyone else experiencing this? It's as if my license has been revoked or some similar global denial of service. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifio http://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)
I completely agree with Rick .. assuming you know that you're going to use XML and you're going to be modifying an existing structure application. This is a great way to learn the basics from the ground up and the bigger apps will make a bit more sense. ...scott On 8/13/14 2:53 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi, I am going to offer a contrary opinion. I wouldn't start with DocBook, DITA, or any existing applications. I would create a simple, custom application to get my feet wet. I do this when I train clients, even if they are using DITA, etc. It helps them to digest the concepts with a small application; then they can figure out how to get around in larger applications. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:53 PM To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA) On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I like DITA better than DocBook :) OK, conceptually, I understand the value of dividing each part of the document into a single-purpose element and that DITA might be better than the mishmash of DocBook. However, when I look at the DITA applications in structapps.fm, I cannot tell which application is used for plain ordinary text (i.e. what consitutes para). How does one use DITA for: --Book Chapter --Section Body Is this what the DITA map is? [And here I thought we were going to have geographical maps in the book 8-) ] Thanks, Theresa P.S. I have ordered XML AND FRAMEMAKER by Kay Ethier but it won't be here for several days ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)
Theresa Going back to your original posting... Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. ... it does not sound as if the documents you are working on are structurally complex. Before you give yourself a lot of pain, it might be worth revisiting the issue of whether you need to use structured FrameMaker at all. As for the other issues, I'm in the same camp as Rick. When I started with structure, I was faced with two issues: 1. A complex book design that had been produced by a design agency with no thought to structure or indeed of FrameMaker. 2. A group of authors who *demanded* structured, for reasons of reuse leverage. so I had no choice. I will send you a further article off-list that describes how I went about it. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
