Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Craig, Alison]

Thanks Fred. You took the words right out of my mouth!

Alison

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 2:41 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.; Ken Poshedly
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Don't get me started on bullets and autonumbering in MS applications. Once upon 
a time it just worked. And then they started making it more "helpful" and 
automatic... and unreliable and impossible to troubleshoot when it breaks.

But if you want to see a real horror show, spend a while trying to clean up the 
bullets in PowerPoint slide decks that have contributions from a half-dozen 
different engineers in three different countries using four different templates 
(or no template at all). I just went through that exact scenario on 21 separate 
presentations for a Very Important Customer. I *really* hate PowerPoint and the 
way its "master pages" work.

-FR


From: Framers 

 on behalf of Ken Poshedly 

Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:08 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
(What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
tag-method to tag bulleted text.
I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I 
did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let 
this happen.
The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 wrote:


It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold 
 wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Peter Gold]

So, the ancient recollection of something eating keystrokes was generically
on the right troubleshooting path. Hooray!

As to other old memories:

FullWrite Professional (a promising feature-filled Mac word processor) had
the fantastic ability to randomly animate bullet points, so, there was no
reason to get bored while staring at pages of pithy tech content on screen.
You could just watch and wait for one or more of them to hop around.

Then, there was the post claiming that "lorem ipsum" placeholder text
wasn't randomly-generated, but was arguably written by indentured scribes,
forerunners of technical writers, because the translation was something
like "we love to write and beat ourselves with sticks."

Cheers!

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:

> So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
> (What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an
> engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could
> correct my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's
> paragraph tag-method to tag bulleted text.
> I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet
> in the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way.
> I tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
> But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the
> last bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that
> day, but I did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could
> Microsoft let this happen.
> The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this
> happen) because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston <
> rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:
>
>
>  It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
> the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
> the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
> stops working.
>
> I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
> half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
> but a generic keyboard with the default driver.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold 
> wrote:
> > Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
> >
> > It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
> >
> > In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> > issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> > devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> > it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> > or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> > issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> > substituting a different keyboard?
> >
> > In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> > font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
> >
> > System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> > other adjustments affect the problem? What about
> trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> > tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Fred Ridder]

Don't get me started on bullets and autonumbering in MS applications. Once upon 
a time it just worked. And then they started making it more "helpful" and 
automatic... and unreliable and impossible to troubleshoot when it breaks.


But if you want to see a real horror show, spend a while trying to clean up the 
bullets in PowerPoint slide decks that have contributions from a half-dozen 
different engineers in three different countries using four different templates 
(or no template at all). I just went through that exact scenario on 21 separate 
presentations for a Very Important Customer. I *really* hate PowerPoint and the 
way its "master pages" work.

-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Ken Poshedly 
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:08 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
(What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
tag-method to tag bulleted text.
I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I 
did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let 
this happen.
The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."


On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:


 It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Robert Lauriston]

I can't remember a Microsoft product release with similarly serious
bugs that still weren't fixed eight years or six major releases later.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
> (What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
> engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
> my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
> tag-method to tag bulleted text.
> I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
> the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
> tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
> But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
> bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but 
> I did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft 
> let this happen.
> The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
> because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
> wrote:
>
>  It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
> the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
> the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
> stops working. ///
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Ken Poshedly]

So all-in-all, it's just Adobe emulating Microsoft.
(What does he mean by that?) Back in 2006 while I was contracting for an 
engineering firm and ordered to use only Word "so the engineers could correct 
my work." (Ptooey!) I remember an incident where I used Word's paragraph 
tag-method to tag bulleted text.
I was on page 125 or so, tagged something bullet and voila!, every bullet in 
the book disappeared, yet all "bulleted text" was still tagged that way. I 
tried everything I knew to fix things but to no avail.
But, ah, thank heavens for Ctrl-Z. Everything returned, except for the last 
bullet that I worked on. I don't remember how I "fixed" things that day, but I 
did post a message on the tech-wrl e-mail list, asking how could Microsoft let 
this happen.
The reply / replies were basically, "Because Microsoft CAN (let this happen) 
because it doesn't matter to them since we're just peons."
 

On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:21 PM, Robert Lauriston  
wrote:
 

 It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe System Error

[Carol J. Elkins]

Good advice. It was never clear to me if this was a Framemaker, 
Acrobat, or Distiller problem since it occurred when I tried to open 
each of the programs.


Carol

At 02:23 PM 5/2/2017, you wrote:
I guess the best is to post your question in the corresponding 
thread in the Acrobat Forum and tag one of the Adobe support people 
how were involved in it.


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Re: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe System Error

[Stefan Gentz]

Hi Carol,

interesting. I do not have the "Automatically download updates, but let me 
choose when to install them." in Acrobat Pro DC anymore. Only "Automatically 
install updates."

I guess the best is to post your question in the corresponding thread in the 
Acrobat Forum and tag one of the Adobe support people how were involved in it.


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On 2. May 2017, at 22:19, Carol J. Elkins 
> wrote:

Stefan, I'm running Acrobat XI Pro. My selected setting for updates is 
"Automatically download updates, but let me choose when to install them." There 
is an update ready to install but I have not installed it. Yet the problem went 
away on April 28 as mysteriously as it appeared on April 27. Thus has been the 
case, it appears, for the zillion other users. So something got updated 
automatically, and that's what I'm trying to figure out. Can you refer me to 
someone who can research this for me?

Carol

At 02:03 PM 5/2/2017, you wrote:
Hi Carol,

unfortunately I cannot help regarding this. As far as I know, this issue has 
nothing to do with FrameMaker. As far as I understand from quickly scanning the 
thread you linked (which points to the Acrobat forum) it has something to do 
with a Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable Package that was not present 
on some of the user's systems.

Please understand that I cannot give any answers regarding your Windows 
configuration and what Microsoft updates in any way on your system.

However, what I can tell you for sure is, that there is no automatic update (or 
uninstalling updates) in any FrameMaker in any version up to FrameMaker 2017. 
There is not even an automated check for updates - you have to trigger that 
manually. Situation might be different, if you have installed FrameMaker in a 
larger enterprise ecosystem and your admin rolls out updates to your system 
automatically.

As far as I understand, this has nothing to do with FrameMaker. My understandin 
is, that it has to do with some Updates in Acrobat that were rolled out. This 
change has been made to ensure the software is using runtimes that Microsoft is 
currently supporting.  The problem occurred, as far as I understand, because 
the update did not check if Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable Package 
is actually installed on the user system. But I'm really not an expert in this 
field.

You might want to check your Acrobat setting. In Acrobat Pro DC, go to > Edit > 
Preferences and select "Updates" on the left in the categories. There you can 
activate / deactivate "Automatically install updates". What does it say in your 
system?


Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist


-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 20:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe 
System Error

Stefan, I hope that you can help sort something out that has bothered me ever 
since the April 27 Adobe system error occurred. That was the one where users 
trying to start Framemaker, Acrobat, and/or Distiller suddenly experienced this 
error: "The program can't start because MSVCP140.dll is missing from your 
computer." There was a huge flurry of posts to adobe's forums (see 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.adobe.com%2Fthread%2F2308268=02%7C01%7C%7Ccaf18fed7c644e00fd7408d491987cff%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293531494318022=bT348WmdEM2%2B0x07%2B5sX7aix1yC3L%2FAOFX6%2F46V%2FTLU%3D=0).
 The end result is that the problem was created by an update that Adobe pushed 
out and they resolved it the next 

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Robert Lauriston]

It's an artifact of the nonstandard, buggy UI Adobe layered on top of
the legacy FrameMaker code in FM9. The API or whatever that transmits
the keystrokes from the new layer to the legacy code occasionally
stops working.

I've never seen similar behavior in any other application on the
half-dozen systems where I've run FM9 or later. I never used anything
but a generic keyboard with the default driver.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
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Re: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe System Error

[Carol J. Elkins]

Stefan, I'm running Acrobat XI Pro. My selected setting for updates 
is "Automatically download updates, but let me choose when to install 
them." There is an update ready to install but I have not installed 
it. Yet the problem went away on April 28 as mysteriously as it 
appeared on April 27. Thus has been the case, it appears, for the 
zillion other users. So something got updated automatically, and 
that's what I'm trying to figure out. Can you refer me to someone who 
can research this for me?


Carol

At 02:03 PM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

Hi Carol,

unfortunately I cannot help regarding this. As far as I know, this 
issue has nothing to do with FrameMaker. As far as I understand from 
quickly scanning the thread you linked (which points to the Acrobat 
forum) it has something to do with a Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 
Redistributable Package that was not present on some of the user's systems.


Please understand that I cannot give any answers regarding your 
Windows configuration and what Microsoft updates in any way on your system.


However, what I can tell you for sure is, that there is no automatic 
update (or uninstalling updates) in any FrameMaker in any version up 
to FrameMaker 2017. There is not even an automated check for updates 
- you have to trigger that manually. Situation might be different, 
if you have installed FrameMaker in a larger enterprise ecosystem 
and your admin rolls out updates to your system automatically.


As far as I understand, this has nothing to do with FrameMaker. My 
understandin is, that it has to do with some Updates in Acrobat that 
were rolled out. This change has been made to ensure the software is 
using runtimes that Microsoft is currently supporting.  The problem 
occurred, as far as I understand, because the update did not check 
if Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable Package is actually 
installed on the user system. But I'm really not an expert in this field.


You might want to check your Acrobat setting. In Acrobat Pro DC, go 
to > Edit > Preferences and select "Updates" on the left in the 
categories. There you can activate / deactivate "Automatically 
install updates". What does it say in your system?



Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist


-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins

Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 20:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 
AdobeGCClient.exe System Error


Stefan, I hope that you can help sort something out that has 
bothered me ever since the April 27 Adobe system error occurred. 
That was the one where users trying to start Framemaker, Acrobat, 
and/or Distiller suddenly experienced this error: "The program can't 
start because MSVCP140.dll is missing from your computer." There was 
a huge flurry of posts to adobe's forums (see 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2308268). The end result is that the 
problem was created by an update that Adobe pushed out and they 
resolved it the next day by rolling back the update.


The part of this that has me confused is that I should not have ANY 
updates to ANYTHING being pushed onto my system. I'm running Windows 
7 64-bit and Framemaker 12. My OS is set to never allow Windows to 
update anything automatically. Obviously I'm not using Adobe CC so 
any auto-updates should not occur.


So 1) how did I receive the initial update that caused this problem; 
and 2) how did I receive the roll-back to the update that fixed the 
problem? What part of "no automatic updates to my system" is being 
bypassed here?


Thanks for any information you can glean and share with us regarding 
this issue.


Carol Elkins

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Lin Sims]

The only commonality I've seen is FrameMaker from version 9 on up, which
was when the interface was redesigned.

I've seen numerous gripes since that time that the new coding had broken
some of the keyboard shortcuts, but it used to be restricted to just the
UNIX carryovers. Recently,I've actually had mine break on Ctrl+C, and that
since upgrading to FrameMaker 2015.

At this point, I don't even ask why. I just grumble about how FM used to be
the most stable program I'd ever used, and restart the program. I haven't
had to reboot to fix this. Yet.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Peter Gold 
wrote:

> Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:
>
> It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.
>
> In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
> issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
> devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
> it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
> or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
> issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
> substituting a different keyboard?
>
> In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
> font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?
>
> System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
> other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
> tablet sensitivity settings?
>
> HTH.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> > We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.
> >
> > I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final
> processing.
> > I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
> > conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.
> >
> > And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
> > that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
> > gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
> > actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com <
> m...@techcommtools.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and
> Fm2017.
> > >
> > > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed
> > less
> > > than the previous.
> > >
> > > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16
> Gb
> > > memory.
> > >
> > > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> > > conditional text much more enjoyable.
> > >
> > > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5,
> > and
> > > 6), things just work better.
> > >
> > > -Matt
> > >
> > > Matt R. Sullivan
> > > Tech Comm Tools
> > >
> > > online courses   |
> you
> > > can book me 
> > >
> > > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
> > >   > > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> > > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> > > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com  m...@mattrsullivan.com>
> > >
> > >     > >@mattrsullivan
> > >  > > mattrsullivan>  LinkedIn <
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan> > > mattrsullivan>  Facebook <
> > > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> > > creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> > > >
> > > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> > > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the
> > conditional
> > > text.
> > > >
> > > > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've
> > > always assumed there is some issue with memory.
> > > >
> > > > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> > > manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> > > >
> > > > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy
> > > Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day
> (note
> > > that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Alison Craig
> > > > Technical Documentation Specialist
> > > > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> > > >
> > >
> > > 

Re: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe System Error

[Stefan Gentz]

Hi Carol,

unfortunately I cannot help regarding this. As far as I know, this issue has 
nothing to do with FrameMaker. As far as I understand from quickly scanning the 
thread you linked (which points to the Acrobat forum) it has something to do 
with a Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable Package that was not present 
on some of the user's systems.

Please understand that I cannot give any answers regarding your Windows 
configuration and what Microsoft updates in any way on your system. 

However, what I can tell you for sure is, that there is no automatic update (or 
uninstalling updates) in any FrameMaker in any version up to FrameMaker 2017. 
There is not even an automated check for updates - you have to trigger that 
manually. Situation might be different, if you have installed FrameMaker in a 
larger enterprise ecosystem and your admin rolls out updates to your system 
automatically.

As far as I understand, this has nothing to do with FrameMaker. My understandin 
is, that it has to do with some Updates in Acrobat that were rolled out. This 
change has been made to ensure the software is using runtimes that Microsoft is 
currently supporting.  The problem occurred, as far as I understand, because 
the update did not check if Microsoft Visual C++ 2015 Redistributable Package 
is actually installed on the user system. But I'm really not an expert in this 
field.

You might want to check your Acrobat setting. In Acrobat Pro DC, go to > Edit > 
Preferences and select "Updates" on the left in the categories. There you can 
activate / deactivate "Automatically install updates". What does it say in your 
system?

 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
  

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 20:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe 
System Error

Stefan, I hope that you can help sort something out that has bothered me ever 
since the April 27 Adobe system error occurred. That was the one where users 
trying to start Framemaker, Acrobat, and/or Distiller suddenly experienced this 
error: "The program can't start because MSVCP140.dll is missing from your 
computer." There was a huge flurry of posts to adobe's forums (see 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2308268). The end result is that the problem 
was created by an update that Adobe pushed out and they resolved it the next 
day by rolling back the update.

The part of this that has me confused is that I should not have ANY updates to 
ANYTHING being pushed onto my system. I'm running Windows 7 64-bit and 
Framemaker 12. My OS is set to never allow Windows to update anything 
automatically. Obviously I'm not using Adobe CC so any auto-updates should not 
occur.

So 1) how did I receive the initial update that caused this problem; and 2) how 
did I receive the roll-back to the update that fixed the problem? What part of 
"no automatic updates to my system" is being bypassed here?

Thanks for any information you can glean and share with us regarding this issue.

Carol Elkins

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Peter Gold]

Just a couple of wild thoughts pulled from long-ago experiences:

It sounds as if the normal flow of keystrokes is being affected somehow.

In the hardware domain, is it possible that there are keyboard driver
issues - updates needed, multiple conflicting keyboards or other input
devices, multiple display screens and associated drivers? Less exotic, is
it possible that the usual physical keyboard itself has intermittent keys
or connections? If it's wireless, does connecting it with a cable fix the
issue? Charging or replacing its battery? Does the problem persist when
substituting a different keyboard?

In the software domain, are there utilities running in background, like
font managers, display customizers, or screen-capture demons?

System domain: Does varying the settings for keyboard repeat speed and
other adjustments affect the problem? What about trackpad/touchpad/graphics
tablet sensitivity settings?

HTH.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.
>
> I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final processing.
> I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
> conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.
>
> And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
> that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
> gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
> actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com 
> wrote:
>
> > FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.
> >
> > And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed
> less
> > than the previous.
> >
> > I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb
> > memory.
> >
> > Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> > conditional text much more enjoyable.
> >
> > Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5,
> and
> > 6), things just work better.
> >
> > -Matt
> >
> > Matt R. Sullivan
> > Tech Comm Tools
> >
> > online courses   |  you
> > can book me 
> >
> > FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
> >   > Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> > ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> > C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com 
> >
> >     >@mattrsullivan
> >  > mattrsullivan>  LinkedIn <
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan> > mattrsullivan>  Facebook <
> > http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> > creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> > >
> > > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> > hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the
> conditional
> > text.
> > >
> > > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've
> > always assumed there is some issue with memory.
> > >
> > > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> > manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> > >
> > > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy
> > Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note
> > that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> > >
> > >
> > > Alison Craig
> > > Technical Documentation Specialist
> > > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> > >
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct download?

[Stefan Gentz]

Hi,

the Update 1 for FrameMaker 2017 is available for direct download now also from 
here:

http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/detail.jsp?ftpID=6163

 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+gentz=adobe@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 18:39
To: Simon BUCH ; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct 
download?

Hi Simon,

unfortunately there are currently some problems with the server. We will update 
http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=Windows with 
the direct download for Update 1 asap.

 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
 

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From: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 15:12
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Stefan Gentz 
Subject: FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct download?

Hello,

Has anyone had difficulty downloading FrameMaker 2017 update 1, from the 
FrameMaker downloads page?
The table does not appear to detail anything about the download.

I can't use the Adobe Update Manager due to security protocol restrictions at 
customer sites.

I tried the link on the "New Downloads" link:
 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupportdownloads.adobe.com%2Fsupport%2Fdownloads%2Fnew.jsp=02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=SL85Mpq59VTdcFmGHkyJ6LHNDVNVbeu7uyJMeGkC8Yo%3D=0
but the web page responds with the line:
 Error in obtaining download items, please try again later.

I then decided to try the Downloads Help page:
 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupportdownloads.adobe.com%2Fsupport%2Fdownloads%2Fhelp.html=02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=f8Sq%2FJ5w%2BI6iLY4%2FNiWWH0HM7wt3YUuXTwVfrzDouUM%3D=0
and tried the "Unable to connect to the Adobe FTP site" link, which gave the 
text "Sorry, this page is unavailable"


// Simon BUCH


On 01/05/2017 17:33, Stefan Gentz wrote:
> since last week Update 1 for FrameMaker 2017 is available.
>
> We have fixed a couple of bugs and implemented a lot of Feedback that we got 
> from you. Some modal dialogs were rolled back to non-modal pods, working with 
> the language drop-down in Character and Paragraph Designer is more easy now 
> (all language names in English instead of their native language names), there 
> is a completely new "Sort Table" dialog, the "Show Element Context" dialog is 
> resizable now, "Command Search" works better now in multi-monitor scenarios, 
> save as "View Only" is back and a lot more.
>
> I have gathered all the changes in this blog post:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.
> adobe.com%2Ftechcomm%2F2017%2F04%2Fframemaker-2017-update-1.html=
> 02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2
> c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=RSaCA8%2B0OLFeObehsB4UrX
> xIu9gm0z0Wa6zRKUHNoPU%3D=0
>
> Thanks to everyone who contributed with his/her feedback!

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Lin Sims]

We recently (as in the beginning of this year) upgraded to FM2015.

I think I'm going to add Alison's checks / process to my final processing.
I haven't had colors show up, but I have had issues with text that has
conditional tags either showing up (or not showing up) inappropriately.

And hope I remember what is supposed to be visible. I may have mentioned
that this damned thing is VERY complicated, although I have, finally,
gotten conditional expressions that control things properly and are
actually fairly elegant (after having used the BFME method first).

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:28 PM, techcommtools.com 
wrote:

> FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.
>
> And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed less
> than the previous.
>
> I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb
> memory.
>
> Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make
> conditional text much more enjoyable.
>
> Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, and
> 6), things just work better.
>
> -Matt
>
> Matt R. Sullivan
> Tech Comm Tools
>
> online courses   |  you
> can book me 
>
> FrameMaker - Creating and Publishing Content
>   Unstructured-FrameMaker-11/dp/0982811853/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&
> ie=UTF8=1414525942=1-1>
> C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com 
>
>    
> @mattrsullivan
>  mattrsullivan>  LinkedIn <
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mattrsullivan> mattrsullivan>  Facebook <
> http://www.facebook.com/mattrsullivan>
> > On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison 
> wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
> >
> > If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3
> hours beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional
> text.
> >
> > This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've
> always assumed there is some issue with memory.
> >
> > Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> >
> > I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy
> Frame 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note
> that I almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> >
> >
> > Alison Craig
> > Technical Documentation Specialist
> > BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> >
>
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[Framers] Question for Stefan Gentz re the April 27 AdobeGCClient.exe System Error

[Carol J. Elkins]

Stefan, I hope that you can help sort something out that has bothered 
me ever since the April 27 Adobe system error occurred. That was the 
one where users trying to start Framemaker, Acrobat, and/or Distiller 
suddenly experienced this error: "The program can't start because 
MSVCP140dll is missing from your computer." There was a huge flurry 
of posts to adobe's forums (see 
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2308268). The end result is that the 
problem was created by an update that Adobe pushed out and they 
resolved it the next day by rolling back the update.


The part of this that has me confused is that I should not have ANY 
updates to ANYTHING being pushed onto my system. I'm running Windows 
7 64-bit and Framemaker 12. My OS is set to never allow Windows to 
update anything automatically. Obviously I'm not using Adobe CC so 
any auto-updates should not occur.


So 1) how did I receive the initial update that caused this problem; 
and 2) how did I receive the roll-back to the update that fixed the 
problem? What part of "no automatic updates to my system" is being 
bypassed here?


Thanks for any information you can glean and share with us regarding 
this issue.


Carol Elkins

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[techcommtools.com]

FWIW, I’ve had great results with conditional text in Fm2015 and Fm2017.

And each subsequent release since Fm10 (including Fm2017) has crashed less than 
the previous.

I run Fm on a very lean (75 Gb Virtual disk, running Win 8.1) with 16 Gb memory.

Specifically, the changes in conditional text in 2015 and 2017 make conditional 
text much more enjoyable.

Coupled with the Smart Insert for Conditional Text dialogs (Ctrl 4, 5, and 6), 
things just work better. 

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> On May 2, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before creating 
> the final condition settings for manuals.
> 
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours 
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
> 
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always 
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
> 
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different manuals 
> from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
> 
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame 12 
> (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I almost 
> always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
> 
> 
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
> 

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Craig, Alison]

Sometimes the Conditions don't show up correctly - bits of text have the wrong 
Condition showing or a segment or 2 stays in the Conditional colour.

I've learned to always:

- reboot before setting the final manual Conditions for each manual
- finalize with Conditional colours showing
- turn off Conditional colours and do a last check for "coloured text" before 
distilling
- page through the entire PDF watching for text still visible in the 
Conditional colour(s).

Alison

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 11:19 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Wait, what?

What sort of glitches with condition text? I ask because (as previously
seen) I am making heavy use of conditions to create manuals and have had
issues, but I thought it was MY fault.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Craig, Alison 

wrote:

> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
>
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
>
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
>
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
>
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame
> 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I
> almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
>
>
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
>
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 303-840-1744 (Mountain Time)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.
> c...@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
> keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
> instituting the new interface broke things.
>
> As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
> some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
> described by Ken.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 
> 
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> > <
> mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > > keyboard
> > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> > must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> > happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> > you know what I
> > mean.)
> > >
> > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > > and
> > so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Lin Sims]

Wait, what?

What sort of glitches with condition text? I ask because (as previously
seen) I am making heavy use of conditions to create manuals and have had
issues, but I thought it was MY fault.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Craig, Alison 
wrote:

> I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before
> creating the final condition settings for manuals.
>
> If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours
> beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.
>
> This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always
> assumed there is some issue with memory.
>
> Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different
> manuals from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.
>
> I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame
> 12 (or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I
> almost always reboot every evening before I leave the office).
>
>
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
> BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com
>
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound.com@lists.
> frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
>
> TVB
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 303-840-1744 (Mountain Time)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc.
> c...@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop
>
> Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
> keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
> instituting the new interface broke things.
>
> As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
> some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
> described by Ken.
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston  >
> wrote:
>
> > Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
> >
> > On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly <
> mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net%3e>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > > keyboard
> > shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> > must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> > happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> > you know what I
> > mean.)
> > >
> > > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > > and
> > so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Robert Lauriston]

I reported that bug in 2009, the first time I used the weird UI
introduced in FM9.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
> get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
> re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
> no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Craig, Alison]

I wonder if this is related to the fact that I have to reboot before creating 
the final condition settings for manuals.

If I don't, and I've been working hard in Frame for as little as 2-3 hours 
beforehand, chances are there will be "glitches" with the conditional text.

This happens in Frame 12, which I currently use, and Frame 9. I've always 
assumed there is some issue with memory.

Having to reboot - often - when you're trying to create 6 different manuals 
from the same set of files has a high PITA factor.

I also notice that I'm much more likely to have a crash during heavy Frame 12 
(or 9) use if I haven't rebooted regularly during the day (note that I almost 
always reboot every evening before I leave the office).


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Specialist
BK Ultrasound | acr...@bkultrasound.com

From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:56 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1744 (Mountain Time)

-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 

wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> 
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all
> > keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks
> must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it
> happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well,
> you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM
> > and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Tammy Van Boening]

Yep, I have posted to the list about this very problem. The only way I can
get it to work again is reboot - more often than not, just closing and
re-opening FM does not work for me at all. And yes, it is a big PITA, and
no, I cannot find any pattern/reason to this behavior either.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
303-840-1744 (Mountain Time)

-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 9:26 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all 
> > keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks 
> must be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it 
> happened again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, 
> you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM 
> > and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct download?

[Stefan Gentz]

Hi Simon,

unfortunately there are currently some problems with the server. We will update 
http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22=Windows with 
the direct download for Update 1 asap.

 
Regards,
Stefan Gentz
Adobe Worldwide TechComm Evangelist
 

-Original Message-
From: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 15:12
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Stefan Gentz 
Subject: FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct download?

Hello,

Has anyone had difficulty downloading FrameMaker 2017 update 1, from the 
FrameMaker downloads page?
The table does not appear to detail anything about the download.

I can't use the Adobe Update Manager due to security protocol restrictions at 
customer sites.

I tried the link on the "New Downloads" link:
 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupportdownloads.adobe.com%2Fsupport%2Fdownloads%2Fnew.jsp=02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=SL85Mpq59VTdcFmGHkyJ6LHNDVNVbeu7uyJMeGkC8Yo%3D=0
but the web page responds with the line:
 Error in obtaining download items, please try again later.

I then decided to try the Downloads Help page:
 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsupportdownloads.adobe.com%2Fsupport%2Fdownloads%2Fhelp.html=02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=f8Sq%2FJ5w%2BI6iLY4%2FNiWWH0HM7wt3YUuXTwVfrzDouUM%3D=0
and tried the "Unable to connect to the Adobe FTP site" link, which gave the 
text "Sorry, this page is unavailable"


// Simon BUCH


On 01/05/2017 17:33, Stefan Gentz wrote:
> since last week Update 1 for FrameMaker 2017 is available.
>
> We have fixed a couple of bugs and implemented a lot of Feedback that we got 
> from you. Some modal dialogs were rolled back to non-modal pods, working with 
> the language drop-down in Character and Paragraph Designer is more easy now 
> (all language names in English instead of their native language names), there 
> is a completely new "Sort Table" dialog, the "Show Element Context" dialog is 
> resizable now, "Command Search" works better now in multi-monitor scenarios, 
> save as "View Only" is back and a lot more.
>
> I have gathered all the changes in this blog post:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.adobe.com%2Ftechcomm%2F2017%2F04%2Fframemaker-2017-update-1.html=02%7C01%7C%7Cc31755256ae34f22566b08d4915d35fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636293276904453249=RSaCA8%2B0OLFeObehsB4UrXxIu9gm0z0Wa6zRKUHNoPU%3D=0
>
> Thanks to everyone who contributed with his/her feedback!

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Lin Sims]

Yeah, pretty much what Robert said. Frame8 was the last version where the
keyboard shortcuts worked as intended all the time. Something about
instituting the new interface broke things.

As someone who used to use those shortcuts ALL THE TIME, it's annoying that
some don't work ever, and that they all won't work some of the time as
described by Ken.

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly 
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> > At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must
> be done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened
> again this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I
> mean.)
> >
> > The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and
> so forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

[Scott Prentice]

Yes .. if Save As XML does what you need, by all means, use that since 
it'll be easier. But if your processing requires more document data in 
XML, you'll either need to set up a conversion and structure app, or use 
MIF->MIFML.


...scott


On 5/2/17 5:42 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:

MIF is more complete than the save as XML of unstructured documents. For 
example, I don't think markers come out in the XML, but they would certainly 
appear in the MIF file.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:21 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.; Scott Prentice
Subject: Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

XSLT wouldn't be trivial but it's doable by mere mortals.

Scott (or anyone): What would be the reason to go this route instead of a 
straight save to FM XML?

My original reason for posting was to get cleaner RTF/Word than FM is putting 
out, but this feels like overkill...

Cheers,
Art


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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Scott Prentice wrote:


MIFML .. http://leximation.com/tools/mifml/

This (free) command line utility converts from MIF to MIFML (and back
if you want). I haven't touched it in years but from what I've been
told by others it still works fine.

You just have to write some XSLT to transform from the MIFML into
something useful.

Cheers,
...scott



On 5/1/17 5:38 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:


I think Scott Prentice was developing a MIF to XML converter. To me,
that would give the most options for conversions to some of the other formats.
Scott, is your converter still available? Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



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From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=r
ickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:10 PM
To: Art Campbell; Framers List; writers--techies-on-framemaker
@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

It did not work with FM 2015, and I was working on going the MIF2Go
source to see if I could update it.

Unfortunately, my temporary license for FM 2015 expired before I made
any real progress, so the project stalled.

Now that FM 2017 is out, I suspect it does not work. Although I have
the MIF2Go sources, I don’t have access to a licensed version of FM
2017, so cannot resurrect this effort.

Separately, however, I have made much progress on a MIF file
reader/analyzer to do a LaTeX convertor for myself – my current
process is manual.

I need a lot more MIF material to test my code with though - all my
test files are from FM 12. So, I may, someday, provide a completely
new MIF2Go equivalent for the community.

In the meantime, sorry for the news, Art!

Z

From: writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Art
Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 09:07 AM
To: Framers List ;
writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

Works / doesn't work?

Assuming it works, is there anything unique in the setup?

I'm a little concerned that FM '17 can save to different MIF formats
and wasn't sure how M2G would handle that.

TIA,
Art

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Craig Ede]

Again, as someone who is forced to use FM8 daily (alongside  FM10,12,2015), I 
have to say that is not path you want to follow.


The problem does sound like some sort of memory leak thing within FrameMaker 
though, and they should fix that. You can bet they wont' go back and fix 
previous versions, so that's another argument against 'downgrading'.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Robert Lauriston 
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:54 AM
To: Ken Poshedly; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> Folks,
> At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
> done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again 
> this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)
>
> The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so 
> forth. ...
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Fred Ridder]

Umm, if something is completed earlier than originally scheduled, the 
completion date is moved *up*, (or moved forward, or advanced) not moved back. 
Moving back means delaying or postponing.


-FR


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Ken Poshedly 
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:36 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

Folks,
At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again this 
morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)

The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so forth.

Is there, praytell, an undocumented feature that toggles keyboard commands on 
and off?
I await ye answers.
FrameMaker 11.0Windows 7 ProfessionalOodles of space and memory.
-- Ken in AtlantaThe Land of the Fiery and Falling Interstates. (Hey! 
Duck!)(Thanks to wonders of fast-curing concrete, a 24/7 work schedule and 
really nice weather, the latest re-opening date was moved back from September 
to mid-June to May 26. Lots of well-deserved bonuses.)Oh, and the five pro-bono 
lawyers for the crackhead who started the fire is blaming the state DOT. We can 
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Robert Lauriston]

Upgrade to FrameMaker 8?

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> Folks,
> At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
> shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
> done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again 
> this morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)
>
> The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so 
> forth. ...
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[Framers] FrameMaker keyboard shortcuts just stop

[Ken Poshedly]

Folks,
At least every other day, and for no reason obvious to me, all keyboard 
shortcuts in FrameMaker will stop working after awhile and all tasks must be 
done via menus-and-mouse. For me, this such a PITA. And it happened again this 
morning. This has been going on forever. (Well, you know what I mean.)

The only fix I know of is to close everything, exit FM, re-open FM and so forth.

Is there, praytell, an undocumented feature that toggles keyboard commands on 
and off?
I await ye answers.
FrameMaker 11.0Windows 7 ProfessionalOodles of space and memory.
-- Ken in AtlantaThe Land of the Fiery and Falling Interstates. (Hey! 
Duck!)(Thanks to wonders of fast-curing concrete, a 24/7 work schedule and 
really nice weather, the latest re-opening date was moved back from September 
to mid-June to May 26. Lots of well-deserved bonuses.)Oh, and the five pro-bono 
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Re: [Framers] Configuring FrameMaker default page size (with or without vm ware)

[techcommtools.com]

Hi Steve, 

By happy coincidence you can thank Bernt Lie for the following Modifying the 
base FrameMaker template addition to my Fm 2017 reference book. 
http://amzn.to/2pTxTbk 

While reviewing the book for me, he requested the exact thing you’re asking 
about. I’ve also included a short Editing maker.ini section

Of course, the material is much more easily professionally laid out within the 
book! 

Editing maker.ini
To edit maker.ini, do the following:
Close FrameMaker. 
There are two maker.ini files. You will find maker.ini in these locations:
The installation directory. Your application’s copy of maker.ini file might be 
in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Adobe FrameMaker 2017
The user directory. On Windows 8.1, your personal maker.ini file might be in
C:\Users\(username)\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\14
Edit only one of the maker.ini files. 

If a setting is displayed in both maker.ini files, the settings in maker.ini in 
the Documents and Settings folder take precedence over the settings in the 
FrameMaker folder. 

Create a backup of maker.ini.
Open the original maker.ini file in a text editor such as Notepad or PSPad.
Scroll down until you find the setting you want to change. The sections that 
follow describe some recommended changes.
Edit the text, then save maker.ini. Your changes are saved and applied the next 
time you open FrameMaker.

Modifying the base FrameMaker template
At or about line 249 in the maker.ini file is a setting for the default file 
used when creating a new FrameMaker document. By default file the file is 
specified as custom, and has no .fm extension on the file name. To alter the 
physical attributes of a new FrameMaker document, you can open the file 
directly from the fminit directory, change as needed (for instance, you could 
change the page size to A4, or set the display of rulers, text symbols, borders 
as desired) and then save changes to the document. To ensure the file acts 
appropriately, do one of the following:
Save changes to the custom file (creating a file called custom.fm) and then 
modify the file name to remove the .fm extension
Modify the maker.ini file to look for the modified file name (custom.fm)

Save changes to custom as something like customA4 or customA4.fm, and modify 
the maker.ini file to match the specified name

I recommend this last option, as it retains the original custom file, in case 
you ever want to revert to the standard FrameMaker behavior.


-Matt

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> On May 2, 2017, at 2:35 AM, Steve Rickaby  
> wrote:
> 
>  I need to do a trivial config to set the default page size to A4 rather than 
> US Letter. I looked at the Adobe documentation, but the files it seemed to 
> suggest I could modify (C:...FmInstallDir/fminit/maker) turned out to be a 
> directory containing a couple of files that appear to be binary: tmpltbrw and 
> tmpltbrw_s.
> 
> Can someone point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to changing the 
> default printer page size, and/or the actual ASCII file for configuring 
> FrameMaker's startup defaults? Or does this originate with Windows itself? 
> I'm on Windows 7 Pro in Parallels Desktop 9.
> 
> I wouldn't mind so much if the page size was stored with the document, but it 
> isn't.

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[Framers] FrameMaker 2017, Update 1 - where is it for direct download?

[Simon BUCH]

Hello,

Has anyone had difficulty downloading FrameMaker 2017 update 1, from the 
FrameMaker downloads page?

The table does not appear to detail anything about the download.

I can't use the Adobe Update Manager due to security protocol 
restrictions at customer sites.


I tried the link on the "New Downloads" link:
http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/support/downloads/new.jsp
but the web page responds with the line:
Error in obtaining download items, please try again later.

I then decided to try the Downloads Help page:
http://supportdownloads.adobe.com/support/downloads/help.html
and tried the "Unable to connect to the Adobe FTP site" link, which gave 
the text "Sorry, this page is unavailable"



// Simon BUCH


On 01/05/2017 17:33, Stefan Gentz wrote:

since last week Update 1 for FrameMaker 2017 is available.

We have fixed a couple of bugs and implemented a lot of Feedback that we got from you. Some modal dialogs were rolled 
back to non-modal pods, working with the language drop-down in Character and Paragraph Designer is more easy now (all 
language names in English instead of their native language names), there is a completely new "Sort Table" 
dialog, the "Show Element Context" dialog is resizable now, "Command Search" works better now in 
multi-monitor scenarios, save as "View Only" is back and a lot more.

I have gathered all the changes in this blog post:
http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2017/04/framemaker-2017-update-1.html

Thanks to everyone who contributed with his/her feedback!


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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

[Rick Quatro]

MIF is more complete than the save as XML of unstructured documents. For 
example, I don't think markers come out in the XML, but they would certainly 
appear in the MIF file.

-Original Message-
From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 7:21 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.; Scott Prentice
Subject: Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

XSLT wouldn't be trivial but it's doable by mere mortals.

Scott (or anyone): What would be the reason to go this route instead of a 
straight save to FM XML?

My original reason for posting was to get cleaner RTF/Word than FM is putting 
out, but this feels like overkill...

Cheers,
Art


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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   DoD 358


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> MIFML .. http://leximation.com/tools/mifml/
>
> This (free) command line utility converts from MIF to MIFML (and back 
> if you want). I haven't touched it in years but from what I've been 
> told by others it still works fine.
>
> You just have to write some XSLT to transform from the MIFML into 
> something useful.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 5/1/17 5:38 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
>> I think Scott Prentice was developing a MIF to XML converter. To me, 
>> that would give the most options for conversions to some of the other 
>> formats.
>> Scott, is your converter still available? Thanks.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-366-4017
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=r 
>> ickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:10 PM
>> To: Art Campbell; Framers List; writers--techies-on-framemaker 
>> @googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?
>>
>> It did not work with FM 2015, and I was working on going the MIF2Go 
>> source to see if I could update it.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my temporary license for FM 2015 expired before I made 
>> any real progress, so the project stalled.
>>
>> Now that FM 2017 is out, I suspect it does not work. Although I have 
>> the MIF2Go sources, I don’t have access to a licensed version of FM 
>> 2017, so cannot resurrect this effort.
>>
>> Separately, however, I have made much progress on a MIF file 
>> reader/analyzer to do a LaTeX convertor for myself – my current 
>> process is manual.
>>
>> I need a lot more MIF material to test my code with though - all my 
>> test files are from FM 12. So, I may, someday, provide a completely 
>> new MIF2Go equivalent for the community.
>>
>> In the meantime, sorry for the news, Art!
>>
>> Z
>>
>> From: writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Art 
>> Campbell
>> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 09:07 AM
>> To: Framers List ; 
>> writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?
>>
>> Works / doesn't work?
>>
>> Assuming it works, is there anything unique in the setup?
>>
>> I'm a little concerned that FM '17 can save to different MIF formats 
>> and wasn't sure how M2G would handle that.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> art.campb...@gmail.com
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>> Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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>> apply.
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Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?

[Art Campbell]

XSLT wouldn't be trivial but it's doable by mere mortals.

Scott (or anyone): What would be the reason to go this route instead of a
straight save to FM XML?

My original reason for posting was to get cleaner RTF/Word than FM is
putting out, but this feels like overkill...

Cheers,
Art


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a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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   DoD 358


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> MIFML .. http://leximation.com/tools/mifml/
>
> This (free) command line utility converts from MIF to MIFML (and back if
> you want). I haven't touched it in years but from what I've been told by
> others it still works fine.
>
> You just have to write some XSLT to transform from the MIFML into
> something useful.
>
> Cheers,
> ...scott
>
>
>
> On 5/1/17 5:38 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
>> I think Scott Prentice was developing a MIF to XML converter. To me, that
>> would give the most options for conversions to some of the other formats.
>> Scott, is your converter still available? Thanks.
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-366-4017
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=r
>> ickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:10 PM
>> To: Art Campbell; Framers List; writers--techies-on-framemaker
>> @googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?
>>
>> It did not work with FM 2015, and I was working on going the MIF2Go
>> source to see if I could update it.
>>
>> Unfortunately, my temporary license for FM 2015 expired before I made any
>> real progress, so the project stalled.
>>
>> Now that FM 2017 is out, I suspect it does not work. Although I have the
>> MIF2Go sources, I don’t have access to a licensed version of FM 2017, so
>> cannot resurrect this effort.
>>
>> Separately, however, I have made much progress on a MIF file
>> reader/analyzer to do a LaTeX convertor for myself – my current process is
>> manual.
>>
>> I need a lot more MIF material to test my code with though - all my test
>> files are from FM 12. So, I may, someday, provide a completely new MIF2Go
>> equivalent for the community.
>>
>> In the meantime, sorry for the news, Art!
>>
>> Z
>>
>> From: writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>> writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Art
>> Campbell
>> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 09:07 AM
>> To: Framers List ;
>> writers--techies-on-framema...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [WTF ramemaker] Anyone using MIF-to-Go with FM '17?
>>
>> Works / doesn't work?
>>
>> Assuming it works, is there anything unique in the setup?
>>
>> I'm a little concerned that FM '17 can save to different MIF formats and
>> wasn't sure how M2G would handle that.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>> art.campb...@gmail.com
>>"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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>> apply.
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[Framers] Configuring FrameMaker default page size in Parallels

[Steve Rickaby]

Dear Frame Gurus

I'm recent to FrameMaker on Windows, but have been using FrameMaker itself 
since v 3 on Mac.

So I have no direct experience of the fminit (?) file (?) other than vaguely 
knowing of its existence. I need to do a trivial config to set the default page 
size to A4 rather than US Letter. I looked at the Adobe documentation, but the 
files it seemed to suggest I could modify (C:...FmInstallDir/fminit/maker) 
turned out to be a directory containing a couple of files that appear to be 
binary: tmpltbrw and tmpltbrw_s.

Can someone point me in the direction of an idiot's guide to changing the 
default printer page size, and/or the actual ASCII file for configuring 
FrameMaker's startup defaults? Or does this originate with Windows itself? I'm 
on Windows 7 Pro in Parallels Desktop 9.

I wouldn't mind so much if the page size was stored with the document, but it 
isn't.

-- 
Steve
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