Engineers as authors

[Alison Craig]

In defense of some engineers, I've actually had one request that he be allowed 
to work in FrameMaker as that was the way all the engineers worked at his 
previous job.

Unfortunately, at the time, I was working at a company that used Word, not 
Frame, so I had to tell him no L

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 7:44 AM
To: Stephen O'Brien
Cc: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Re: Engineers as authors

IMO you'll have more success and happier times if you take the latter route. 
They'll never need to know FrameMaker and may resent having to learn it.
OTOH showing them some of the principles of tech writing shows them that there 
is more to our profession than transcription and formatting. A lot of "Here's 
what needs to be done - you do this easy part and we'll take care of the rest" 
can simultaneously educate them and make them happy that they don't have to 
handle everything form planning through authoring and review to production and 
publication and archiving... and in the end you get more respect as they 
understand all the work you do to make their words look good.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Stephen O'Brien mailto:sobrien at innovmetric.com>> wrote:
Hi,

A few mechanical engineers have been asked, as part of their varied workload, 
to author certain documents in English (How To, Webinars, software essentials) 
in the near future.

Working with authors who are not formally trained is a new experience for me. I 
am wondering how to best define their tasks and the tasks of my technical 
writing group who will work together to ensure quality documents. For example:


* I could provide the engineers with templates in FrameMaker and an 
introduction to the basics of technical writing and English grammar and bring 
them to write good documents over time. Some formal training in technical 
writing could be offered. The technical writers would then review the final 
documents (container and content) to ensure the overall quality of the 
documents.



* Or, maybe the role of the engineers should be to write rough content 
within guidelines (get the ideas and workflows on paper), and my team of 
technical writers could be responsible for formatting the content and 
expressing their ideas/workflows correctly in English. This would take much 
less time for the engineer (less of a learning curve).

Do you have some experience in this matter? Any hints for what may work best?

Many thanks.

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best.


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RE: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

[Alison Craig]

Not if you use X-Ref Markers in the Text Inset file.

Alison

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Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 2:57 PM
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Subject: Re: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

Ooo, yes. If you use text insets, any xref inside that text inset will be 
reported as broken even though it is valid.

 On Sep 30, 2013, at 18:14, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 
 Which source type are you using when you create the markers?
 
 Are there any text insets involved?
 
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 Greetings!
 
 
 
 I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple 
 xrefs to other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is 
 well. After working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes 
 with intervening generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots 
 of broken xrefs. I fix them all, generate, and all is well. Several 
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FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

[Alison Craig]

Not if you use X-Ref Markers in the Text Inset file.

Alison

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Ooo, yes. If you use text insets, any xref inside that text inset will be 
reported as "broken" even though it is valid.

> On Sep 30, 2013, at 18:14, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Which source type are you using when you create the markers?
> 
> Are there any text insets involved?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM, VLM TechSubs 
>  wrote:
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple 
>> xrefs to other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is 
>> well. After working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes 
>> with intervening generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots 
>> of broken xrefs. I fix them all, generate, and all is well. Several 
>> generates later, poof! A large number of broken xrefs again.
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RE: Word and Frame comparisons

[Alison Craig]

I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word to 
Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in Word, she 
replied:

Word is... (long pause), Word is... (another long pause). Word is for memos.

Alison

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Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
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T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

You are probably right. And when people say everybody knows Word, I tend to 
give this reply:

The good thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.

Corinne Kenney
Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
Raytheon Company

From: Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.netmailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net
To: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com; 
Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel 
Wolfson shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence 
t...@bstw.commailto:t...@bstw.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

It's been my own experience that requests (actually directives) for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and correct 
things as they saw fit. And because everybody knows Word, well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their corrections and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the hate calls from totally confused customers.)


From: Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com; Shmuel 
Wolfson shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com; Theresa de Valence 
t...@bstw.commailto:t...@bstw.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

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 On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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503.805.3719  |  mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com 
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 On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject

Word and Frame comparisons

[Alison Craig]

I took a Single Sourcing class a few years ago (before I moved from Word to 
Frame). When I told the instructor I was writing 400+ page manuals in Word, she 
replied:

"Word is... (long pause), Word is... (another long pause). Word is for memos."

Alison

Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
analogicultrasound.com<http://www.analogicultrasound.com>
T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 11:26 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

You are probably right. And when people say "everybody knows Word," I tend to 
give this reply:

The "good" thing about Word is that you can just open it up and start typing.
The bad thing about Word is that -- you can just open it up and start typing.

Corinne Kenney
Sr. Technical Editor/Writer
Raytheon Company

From: Ken Poshedly mailto:poshe...@bellsouth.net>>
To: Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.dent at 
imgtec.com>>; Maxwell Hoffmann mailto:mhoffman at 
adobe.com>>; Shmuel Wolfson mailto:shmuelw1 at 
gmail.com>>; Theresa de Valence mailto:TdeV at bstw.com>>
Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

It's been my own experience that "requests" (actually "directives") for using 
only Word came from the Marketing Dept and/or others who didn't believe that 
Tech Pubs could do the job and demanded the ability to go in and "correct 
things" as they saw fit. And because "everybody knows Word", well, that was 
that. (I remember looking at some of their "corrections" and I'm glad not to be 
there and take the "hate calls" from totally confused customers.)


From: Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>>
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mailto:mhoffman at adobe.com>>; 
Shmuel Wolfson mailto:shmuelw1 at gmail.com>>; Theresa 
de Valence mailto:TdeV at bstw.com>>
Cc: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>] On Behalf Of 
Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



Maxwell Hoffmann |  Product  Evangelist  |  Adobe  |  p. 503.336.5952  |  c. 
503.805.3719  |  mhoffman at adobe.com<mailto:mhoffman at adobe.com> 
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RE: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a

[Alison Craig]

When it comes to manuals/instructions, I always want access from my computer. I 
never insert the CD/DVD (in fact, most of the time, the IT department wouldn't 
allow me to keep the CD/DVD).

So what happens if someone needs to copy everything to hard drive (maybe a 
network drive for access by multiple users)?

Alison



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelley, Lea Shannon
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a

Robert CH Shell rsh...@iafrica.com One big file 200mb or small files 
grouped for a

Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com 

Carol,

That is exactly what I do




Lea Shannon Kelley
Technical Publications Department
 
ThyssenKrupp Elevator Americas
9280 Crestwyn Hills Drive
Germantown, TN 38125

Tel:   901-261-1749
Fax:  901-261-1810
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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:16:31 -0600
From: Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a
commercial  pdf produ
Message-ID: 20130908181639.5315514e0f...@beyondprint.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

What I do is to create a welcome or home page (which is a PDF file) that 
automatically launches when the CD is inserted. The welcome file contains links 
to the other books on the CD. That makes it easier and quicker for the user to 
navigate around the CD. Each book's PDF has a Return to Welcome Page bookmark 
at the bottom, allowing the user to return to the home page to access a 
different book.

Carol

With the advent of the rich media formats, my commercial pdfs are 
getting bigger and bigger.
When compiling a final  product should I generate the separate child 
books as separate pdfs and then group them before copying the group to 
the final CD?.

**
Carol J. Elkins---A Written Word LLC
Making Information Understandable
Phone: 719-948-3773
mailto:celk...@awrittenword.com
http://www.awrittenword.com
***



Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 00:06:58 +0200
From: Robert CH Shell rsh...@iafrica.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a commercial
pdf product?
Message-ID: 000e01ceac16$928ac8f0$b7a05ad0$@iafrica.com
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

Hi framers: 
I need some advice from anyone with FM commercial experience of selling pdf 
CDs. 

With the advent of the rich media formats, my commercial pdfs are getting 
bigger and bigger.
When compiling a final  product should I generate the separate child books as 
separate pdfs and then group them before copying the group to the final CD?. 

Would the buyer have problem loading or reading the grouped files, or should I 
just use my normal route of creating one huge pdf?

I also think, but do not know, that a customer with a smaller computer might 
have a problem with a huge file, although my little laptop does not have a 
problem with the single file although it flashes a message This file is over 
100MB
Any pointers?
Rob Shell
rsh...@iafrica.com
rsh...@uwc.ac.za
shell.robert@gmail.com

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Subject: Save DitaMap as Book with FM components fails (1 pdf)

One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a

[Alison Craig]

When it comes to manuals/instructions, I always want access from my computer. I 
never insert the CD/DVD (in fact, most of the time, the IT department wouldn't 
allow me to keep the CD/DVD).

So what happens if someone needs to copy everything to hard drive (maybe a 
network drive for access by multiple users)?

Alison



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelley, Lea Shannon
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a

"Robert CH Shell"  One big file 200mb or small files 
grouped for a

Carol J. Elkins"  

Carol,

That is exactly what I do




Lea Shannon Kelley
Technical Publications Department
?
ThyssenKrupp Elevator Americas
9280 Crestwyn Hills Drive
Germantown, TN 38125

Tel:?? 901-261-1749
Fax:? 901-261-1810
mailto: lea.kelley at thyssenkrupp.com

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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2013 12:16:31 -0600
From: "Carol J. Elkins" 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a
commercial  pdf produ
Message-ID: <20130908181639.5315514E0F98F at beyondprint.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

What I do is to create a welcome or home page (which is a PDF file) that 
automatically launches when the CD is inserted. The welcome file contains links 
to the other books on the CD. That makes it easier and quicker for the user to 
navigate around the CD. Each book's PDF has a Return to Welcome Page bookmark 
at the bottom, allowing the user to return to the home page to access a 
different book.

Carol

>With the advent of the rich media formats, my commercial pdfs are 
>getting bigger and bigger.
>When compiling a final  product should I generate the separate child 
>books as separate pdfs and then group them before copying the group to 
>the final CD?.

**
Carol J. Elkins---A Written Word LLC
Making Information Understandable
Phone: 719-948-3773
mailto:celkins at awrittenword.com
http://www.awrittenword.com
***



Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 00:06:58 +0200
From: "Robert CH Shell" 
To: 
Subject: One big file 200mb or small files grouped for a commercial
pdf product?
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Hi framers: 
I need some advice from anyone with FM commercial experience of selling pdf 
CDs. 

With the advent of the rich media formats, my commercial pdfs are getting 
bigger and bigger.
When compiling a final  product should I generate the separate child books as 
separate pdfs and then group them before copying the group to the final CD?. 

Would the buyer have problem loading or reading the grouped files, or should I 
just use my normal route of creating one huge pdf?

I also think, but do not know, that a customer with a smaller computer might 
have a problem with a huge file, although my little laptop does not have a 
problem with the single file although it flashes a message "This file is over 
100MB"
Any pointers?
Rob Shell
rshell at iafrica.com
rshell at uwc.ac.za
shell.robert.c.h at gmail.com

computer rig:
PC
8 Gbyte
3 terrabyte drives
Windows 7
64 bit
TCS 4
Creative suite CS4
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Frame Compatibility

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
Creative Suite Standard 5
Acrobat: 9.5.5 (and Distiller)


Caveat: This isn't about the pros and cons of the new cloud versions of 
Creative Suite...


Our Marketing department has decided to go with the full deal on the cloud 
versions of Creative Suite, which I use, albeit in a limited way - mostly 
Illustrator, and of course, Acrobat.

If anyone has made that leap, can you speak to some compatibility issues for me?


I use Frame 9 and will continue to do so as the Tech Comm team at a sister 
company uses Frame 9 as well (when we upgrade, we'll make the leap together). 
So my questions are:

Will Acrobat XI work with Frame 9?
Is Acrobat 9 (my current version) compatible with the updated cloud versions of 
Illustrator and Photoshop?
Is it even possible for me to keep Acrobat 9 if I'm using the new cloud CS (ie, 
can I just not install Acrobat from the cloud)?


Anyone advice from someone with real life experience (good, bad or otherwise) 
that speaks to my situation would be appreciated.

Alison


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Frame Compatibility

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
Creative Suite Standard 5
Acrobat: 9.5.5 (and Distiller)


Caveat: This isn't about the pros and cons of the new cloud versions of 
Creative Suite...


Our Marketing department has decided to go with the full deal on the cloud 
versions of Creative Suite, which I use, albeit in a limited way - mostly 
Illustrator, and of course, Acrobat.

If anyone has made that leap, can you speak to some compatibility issues for me?


I use Frame 9 and will continue to do so as the Tech Comm team at a sister 
company uses Frame 9 as well (when we upgrade, we'll make the leap together). 
So my questions are:

Will Acrobat XI work with Frame 9?
Is Acrobat 9 (my current version) compatible with the updated cloud versions of 
Illustrator and Photoshop?
Is it even possible for me to keep Acrobat 9 if I'm using the new cloud CS (ie, 
can I just not install Acrobat from the cloud)?


Anyone advice from someone with real life experience (good, bad or otherwise) 
that speaks to my situation would be appreciated.

Alison


Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
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Unavailable fonts message - incorrect?

[Alison Craig]

Wow.

This e-mail goes in my "reference" folder. Next time I need this info, I want 
it to be able to retrieve it immediately.

Thanks for great lesson, Fred.

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 6:06 AM
To: STEPHENSON pascale; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Unavailable fonts message - incorrect?

You posting seems to reflect several small misconceptions about how FrameMaker 
works. Let me see if I can address them one at a time.

First, a single "unavailable fonts" message in one file can, in fact, also be 
the cause of subsequent "unresolved cross-references" messages in other files. 
When you open any file that contains cross-references, FrameMaker attempts to 
refresh all of those references by looking at each target location and grabbing 
the current text string and numbering properties (autonumbering and page 
numbering). If any of those cross-references point to locations that are in 
other files, FM has to silently open each of those files to refresh the 
references. But if a "target" file has an unavailable font condition, that 
error prevents FM from completing the "silent open" operation that is necessary 
to resolve the cross-reference. The result is an "unresolved cross-reference" 
message. But note that if the file with the unavailable font condition is 
already open when you open the file that refers to it, you will *not* get an 
"unresolved" message because FM doesn't need to do a silent open.

Second, FrameMaker *does* report which fonts are unavailable, but does not do 
it in the warning message itself. Instead, you have to look in the FrameMaker 
console window, which most of us are in the habit of ignoring or dismissing 
without bothering to read it.

Third, the unavailable font does not have to be applied to any content that 
appears in the body of the document to cause the warning message. It is enough 
for the font to be specified in the definition of some format that you don't 
actually use, and this font specification can be in any of your catalogs--a 
character format, a paragraph format, a cross-reference format, or a table 
format. Table formats are a particular problem because each format definition 
invisibly embeds the character and paragraph formatting for the table title, 
and for each cell in the heading row, the footing row, and the first body row 
of the table that was the prototype when the format was defined; you will never 
be able to find these using the FM GUI unless you create an instance of each 
table format that exists in your catalog. Unavailable fonts can also lurk on 
master pages and reference pages which are not examined when you do a "find 
font" operation (which only searches the context in the current view) or List 
of References operation (which only looks at body pages). They can even be 
hiding in certain types of graphic objects that contain font specifications 
(PDF, EPS, WMF, EMF).

Fourth, to get rid of an unavailable fonts condition you need to *UN-check* the 
"Remember Missing Font Names" preference. Remembering the names means that FM 
will do a *temporary* substitution of an available font for an unavailable one, 
but will retain the original, unavailable font specification in the version of 
the file that it saves. What you need is for FM to *forget* the names of the 
unavailable fonts and save the file with the substituted font specifications. 
So the procedure would be:
1.   Open the offending file, dismissing the "unavailable fonts" warning.
2.   Examine the FrameMaker console to determine whether all of the 
substitutions FM has made are appropriate (e.g., no sans-serif font subbed for 
a serif, no text font subbed for a symbol or wingding font).
3.   Close the file.
4.   Turn OFF "Remember Missing Font Names".
5.   Open the file. Notice that the warning message has changed, and that 
FrameMaker now warns you that it will be permanently *replacing* the fonts 
rather than substituting for them.
6.   Examine the file to make sure it looks OK.
7.   Save the file. Many people neglect to do this because they haven't 
made any explicit edits or format changes, but the font change will not "take" 
and be carried forward unless the file is save

OT: Acrobat Joboption Files

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
Acrobat: 9.5.5

I'm hoping someone on the list can pint me in the right direction...


I'm looking for an Acrobat expert who can create two Joboptions files with only 
what I require. I took a class at a local tech college last year to try and 
acquire the necessary skills myself, but they didn't teach the details I was 
looking for.

In the first version, I want to cull any unnecessary file bloat while 
maintaining bookmarks, links, a functioning TOC and the appropriate quality 
images for digital viewing.

In the second, I want higher quality images and no links of any kind as this 
version is used to create hard copy at a local print shop.

In both cases, I'm looking for the smallest files possible while still 
providing all my required options. Download times are important.

Does anyone know of a contractor I could connect with?

Thanks, Alison



Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
analogicultrasound.comhttp://www.analogicultrasound.com
T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

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OT: Acrobat Joboption Files

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
Acrobat: 9.5.5

I'm hoping someone on the list can pint me in the right direction...


I'm looking for an Acrobat expert who can create two Joboptions files with only 
what I require. I took a class at a local tech college last year to try and 
acquire the necessary skills myself, but they didn't teach the details I was 
looking for.

In the first version, I want to cull any unnecessary file bloat while 
maintaining bookmarks, links, a functioning TOC and the appropriate quality 
images for digital viewing.

In the second, I want higher quality images and no links of any kind as this 
version is used to create hard copy at a local print shop.

In both cases, I'm looking for the smallest files possible while still 
providing all my required options. Download times are important.

Does anyone know of a contractor I could connect with?

Thanks, Alison



Alison Craig | Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix | 130-4311 Viking Way | Richmond, BC  V6V 2K9 | 
analogicultrasound.com<http://www.analogicultrasound.com>
T 604-279-8550 ext 127 | F 604-279-8559

Analogic
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Tech Doc Review Cycle Software

[Alison Craig]

Does anyone know of any Review Cycle Software that works well for technical 
documentation teams?

I've done a little searching on the web and systems for specific writing tools 
or environments pop up (eg, Confluence, Inmedius S1000D, etc), but no generic 
(and hopefully customizable) software packages.

Any suggestions?

Alison


From: Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Skip to Next Table Command?

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a skip to next table command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from wherever in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.

Any suggestions?

Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
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Tech Doc Review Cycle Software

[Alison Craig]

Does anyone know of any Review Cycle Software that works well for technical 
documentation teams?

I've done a little searching on the web and systems for specific writing tools 
or environments pop up (eg, Confluence, Inmedius S1000D, etc), but no generic 
(and hopefully customizable) software packages.

Any suggestions?

Alison


From: Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Skip to Next Table Command?

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a "skip to next table" command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from "wherever" in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.

Any suggestions?

Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alison Craig]

Stephen:

I have handled translation for up to 17 languages for my company and have only 
ever seen a per page cost quoted for final DTP preparation (I haven't done 
Japanese at this job, but we do translate into Chinese).

As you say you do the final PDFs then obviously your translation firm isn't 
doing the DTP.

Any professional translation firm will already own TRADOS and/or other 
translation prep tools, so if they are asking you to do this, then they sound 
lazy or unprofessional. 

If you want to contact me off list, I can steer you to some better firms with 
decent processes and reliable work (my company is a medical device company and 
there are heavy duty requirements for translations firms to qualify to 
translate our docs).

Alison

PS: I'm not in the office until Tuesday as Monday is a holiday in Canada)


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[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien 
[sobr...@innovmetric.com]
Sent: June 28, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done – just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur à la documentation et rédacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels | Software
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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alison Craig]

Stephen:

I have handled translation for up to 17 languages for my company and have only 
ever seen a per page cost quoted for final DTP preparation (I haven't done 
Japanese at this job, but we do translate into Chinese).

As you say you do the final PDFs then obviously your translation firm isn't 
doing the DTP.

Any professional translation firm will already own TRADOS and/or other 
translation prep tools, so if they are asking you to do this, then they sound 
lazy or unprofessional. 

If you want to contact me off list, I can steer you to some better firms with 
decent processes and reliable work (my company is a medical device company and 
there are heavy duty requirements for translations firms to qualify to 
translate our docs).

Alison

PS: I'm not in the office until Tuesday as Monday is a holiday in Canada)


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien [sobr...@innovmetric.com]
Sent: June 28, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done ? just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur ? la documentation et r?dacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels | Software
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RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Alison Craig]

Also, if you have multiple page sizes in the file, you have to print to file 
(*.ps), then distill.

Admittedly, I am on FM 9, so if this has gone away in FM 11, I'd love to hear 
about it.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:00 AM
To: 'Combs, Richard'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required by 
clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, etc. This 
makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple direct printing to 
PDF. 

Craig

-Original Message-

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your workflow instead. First, there is 
no reason to print to file in order to create a PDF. If you're using a very old 
version of FM or are still superstitious about using Save As PDF, simply select 
Adobe PDF as your printer and leave Print to File turned off.
You'll be prompted to choose a file name and location, and your PDF will be 
created directly by the same process as if you'd printed to a PostScript file 
and then distilled it. 

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Feature Request - Print to File Warning

[Alison Craig]

Also, if you have multiple page sizes in the file, you have to print to file 
(*.ps), then distill.

Admittedly, I am on FM 9, so if this has gone away in FM 11, I'd love to hear 
about it.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 8:00 AM
To: 'Combs, Richard'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Feature Request - Print to File Warning

There are times when quite specific Distiller job options are required by 
clients who may be providing the resulting PDF to service bureaus, etc. This 
makes printing from .ps files more desirable than simple direct printing to 
PDF. 

Craig

-Original Message-

I strongly suggest that you reconsider your workflow instead. First, there is 
no reason to print to file in order to create a PDF. If you're using a very old 
version of FM or are still superstitious about using Save As PDF, simply select 
Adobe PDF as your printer and leave Print to File turned off.
You'll be prompted to choose a file name and location, and your PDF will be 
created directly by the same process as if you'd printed to a PostScript file 
and then distilled it. 

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RE: Page Count and Numbering Properties Not Working?

[Alison Craig]

I get this weird behavior from time to time in FM 9, so I think it's an old bug 
that has never been fixed (not much help to you, I know).

It's always a fight to get it to go away - and there is no particular set of 
circumstances that seem to cause it (at least not a repeatable set that I've 
been able to discern).


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Page Count and Numbering Properties Not Working?

From time to time, files whose pagination was set to Delete Empty Pages have 
inexplicably changed to Make Page Count Even, resulting in an extra blank page 
at the end of any file with an odd number of pages. This hasn't happened in a 
long time--maybe not since I installed FM11--but it reared its ugly head again 
today.

Also, changing the Numbering Properties setting to Continue Numbering from 
Previous Page in Book doesn't work at all. Not only doesn't the book renumber 
on update (despite an alert telling me that book numbers and document numbers 
don't agree so Frame is going to use book numbers--at least that's what I think 
it means), but on next view the radio button for this option is deselected and 
the one for manual page number entry is re-selected. (Yes, I'm certain I 
selected the right radio button, clicked Set, and saved each file before this 
happened.)

Seems odd that pagination is not behaving on two counts at the same time.

Thanks for any help.

--Karen
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Page Count and Numbering Properties Not Working?

[Alison Craig]

I get this weird behavior from time to time in FM 9, so I think it's an old bug 
that has never been fixed (not much help to you, I know).

It's always a fight to get it to go away - and there is no particular set of 
circumstances that seem to cause it (at least not a repeatable set that I've 
been able to discern).


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Page Count and Numbering Properties Not Working?

>From time to time, files whose pagination was set to Delete Empty Pages have 
>inexplicably changed to Make Page Count Even, resulting in an extra blank page 
>at the end of any file with an odd number of pages. This hasn't happened in a 
>long time--maybe not since I installed FM11--but it reared its ugly head again 
>today.

Also, changing the Numbering Properties setting to Continue Numbering from 
Previous Page in Book doesn't work at all. Not only doesn't the book renumber 
on update (despite an alert telling me that book numbers and document numbers 
don't agree so Frame is going to use book numbers--at least that's what I think 
it means), but on next view the radio button for this option is deselected and 
the one for manual page number entry is re-selected. (Yes, I'm certain I 
selected the right radio button, clicked "Set", and saved each file before this 
happened.)

Seems odd that pagination is not behaving on two counts at the same time.

Thanks for any help.

--Karen
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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Alison Craig]

It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was recently 
purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for small to 
medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a budget for tools 
could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of my former employers would 
ever go for the subscription model.

Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your 
sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.

Nadine


- Original Message -
 From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
 Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
 I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
 future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
 
 I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
 Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
 thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it 
 - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as 
 you stop paying for it.
 
 For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
 Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
 sure about the future, though.
 
 --
 Steve [somewhat aghast]
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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Alison Craig]

In my experience, an ongoing expense - small or not - would be a non-starter. 

You must have experience with employers who actually look at the details, and 
not just the surface.

I'm lucky now, as that's no longer the case for me, but I've lived it many 
times.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:26 AM
To: John Posada
Cc: Alison Craig; FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have to agree with John, and last year I would have totally bet the other way.

I was, accidentally, an early Cloud subscriber because I couldn't afford to set 
up new systems with new software. But I could handle the
$1 a day charge paid monthly, so that's what I opted for, and it's been fine.

The software is always up to date and if I need a package that I don't have 
installed, it's just point and click without an additional charge.

So far, the model's working well for me.

Art

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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Posada jposad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Actualy, i think they would jump on it.  They can spread out the cost 
 evenly over a period of time and if the employee leaves, they can stop 
 the charges...they arent out the full cost. It also changes from 
 capital purchase to operating expense that is treated differently on the 
 books.

 On May 9, 2013 1:12 PM, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

 It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was 
 recently purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for 
 small to medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a 
 budget for tools could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of 
 my former employers would ever go for the subscription model.

 Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!

 Alison


 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
 Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
 To: Steve Rickaby; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be 
 subscription only

 I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your 
 sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.

 Nadine


 - Original Message -
  From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
  To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Cc:
  Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
  Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
  only
 
  I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available 
  in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker 
  could follow?
 
  I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
  Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
  thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy 
  it
  - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as 
  soon as you stop paying for it.
 
  For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
  Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far 
  less sure about the future, though.
 
  --
  Steve [somewhat aghast]
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Alison Craig]

It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was recently 
purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for small to 
medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a budget for tools 
could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of my former employers would 
ever go for the subscription model.

Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your 
sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.

Nadine


- Original Message -
> From: Steve Rickaby 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
> Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
> only
> 
> I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
> future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
> 
> I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
> Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
> thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it 
> - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as soon as 
> you stop paying for it.
> 
> For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
> Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
> sure about the future, though.
> 
> --
> Steve [somewhat aghast]
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Alison Craig]

In my experience, an ongoing expense - small or not - would be a non-starter. 

You must have experience with employers who actually look at the details, and 
not just the surface.

I'm lucky now, as that's no longer the case for me, but I've lived it many 
times.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:26 AM
To: John Posada
Cc: Alison Craig; FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I have to agree with John, and last year I would have totally bet the other way.

I was, accidentally, an early Cloud subscriber because I couldn't afford to set 
up new systems with new software. But I could handle the
$1 a day charge paid monthly, so that's what I opted for, and it's been fine.

The software is always up to date and if I need a package that I don't have 
installed, it's just point and click without an additional charge.

So far, the model's working well for me.

Art

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On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:18 PM, John Posada  wrote:
> Actualy, i think they would jump on it.  They can spread out the cost 
> evenly over a period of time and if the employee leaves, they can stop 
> the charges...they arent out the full cost. It also changes from 
> capital purchase to operating expense that is treated differently on the 
> books.
>
> On May 9, 2013 1:12 PM, "Alison Craig"  wrote:
>>
>> It's not just freelancers that will be affected. Until my company was 
>> recently purchased by a larger organization, I had always worked for 
>> small to medium-sized businesses as the sole writer. Trying to get a 
>> budget for tools could be like pulling teeth. I somehow doubt most of 
>> my former employers would ever go for the subscription model.
>>
>> Which means for many sole writers, it will be back to using Word!
>>
>> Alison
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
>> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 9:57 AM
>> To: Steve Rickaby; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be 
>> subscription only
>>
>> I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I share your 
>> sentiments/fears exactly, Steve.
>>
>> Nadine
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: Steve Rickaby 
>> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> > Cc:
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 12:37:59 PM
>> > Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
>> > only
>> >
>> > I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available 
>> > in future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker 
>> > could follow?
>> >
>> > I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
>> > Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
>> > thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy 
>> > it
>> > - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as 
>> > soon as you stop paying for it.
>> >
>> > For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
>> > Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far 
>> > less sure about the future, though.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steve [somewhat aghast]
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RE: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

[Alison Craig]

I think that's an excellent question. Could you post answers on-list or forward 
copies to me?

Right now I just use standard Adobe Acrobat security for my Frame generated 
PDFs (I need printable and digital manuals for the Medical Device industry). 
But we all know how easy that is to crack.

Alison


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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 1:20 PM
To: fram...@omsys.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

Does anyone use Adobe LiveCycle as a digital rights management (DRM) solution 
for selling/distributing their documents? If so, I'd appreciate your emailing 
me off-list so that I can ask a couple of questions.

Thanks in advance,

Carol

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how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

[Alison Craig]

I think that's an excellent question. Could you post answers on-list or forward 
copies to me?

Right now I just use standard Adobe Acrobat security for my Frame generated 
PDFs (I need printable and digital manuals for the Medical Device industry). 
But we all know how easy that is to crack.

Alison


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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 1:20 PM
To: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

Does anyone use Adobe LiveCycle as a digital rights management (DRM) solution 
for selling/distributing their documents? If so, I'd appreciate your emailing 
me off-list so that I can ask a couple of questions.

Thanks in advance,

Carol

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RE: Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

Thanks Shmuel.

That is very helpful.

Alison

From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:09 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

Attached is an AutoIt script to find the next table and go to the first cell.
You have to find the Any Table before running it.
You also have to install AutoIt (free) from 
http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/



Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133


On 26-Apr-13 1:01 AM, Alison Craig wrote:
I got that advice off-list - and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a skip to next table command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from wherever in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit  Find/Change 
 Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag table tag name?

HTH,


--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

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RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level

[Alison Craig]

We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for the 
warning of something to watch for.

As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through the 
documentation department at our Danish sister company, it's definitely 
something I'll follow up on with them.


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level

 Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the 
 sorts
of things for which you should define user variables. 
 And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout.
When marketing decides to change the product name, 
 you'll be glad it's a variable.

I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has 
partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might 
be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some 
grammatical issues when using variables. For example:

- The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first 
letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change 
a to an throughout, or insert a and an as variables. 

- The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed 
name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have 
been corrupted.

We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could 
select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and 
it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it 
worked out fine.

I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did 
you handle it?

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
http://www.almondweb.com
Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants
 

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Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

Thanks Shmuel.

That is very helpful.

Alison

From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:09 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

Attached is an AutoIt script to find the next table and go to the first cell.
You have to find the "Any Table" before running it.
You also have to install AutoIt (free) from 
http://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/



Regards,

Shmuel Wolfson

Technical Writer

052-763-7133


On 26-Apr-13 1:01 AM, Alison Craig wrote:
I got that advice off-list - and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a "skip to next table" command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from "wherever" in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit > Find/Change 
> Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag ?

HTH,


--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com




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Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level

[Alison Craig]

We do a lot of translation, but I have never encountered this - thanks for the 
warning of something to watch for.

As we were recently acquired and my translation will now be managed through the 
documentation department at our Danish "sister" company, it's definitely 
something I'll follow up on with them.


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Ultrasonix Medical Corporation ?| ?#130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada? V6V2K9
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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:50 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level

> Document titles, product names, and version numbers are exactly the 
> sorts
of things for which you should define user variables. 
> And use them not just in the footer, but on the title page and throughout.
When marketing decides to change the product name, 
> you'll be glad it's a variable.

I couldn't agree more. This is especially important when the vendor has 
partners who market the product under their own name. The same document might 
be released with multiple product names. But I have experienced some 
grammatical issues when using variables. For example:

- The first letter of the original product name was a consonant. The first 
letter of the partner's proposed name was a vowel. We would have had to change 
"a" to "an" throughout, or insert "a" and "an" as variables. 

- The original product name was masculine in French. The partner's proposed 
name was feminine. The grammar of the existing French translation would have 
been corrupted.

We persuaded marketing to give the partners some naming guidelines. They could 
select any product name they like, provided that it begins with a consonant and 
it is masculine in all relevant languages. The partners accepted this, and it 
worked out fine.

I'm curious: Have others experienced this kind of issue with variables? How did 
you handle it?

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
http://www.almondweb.com
Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants
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RE: Book Suggestion - Fonts

[Alison Craig]

As this is a very visual book, Audio is certainly an odd format.

Alison


From: Owen, Clint [mailto:clint.o...@craneae.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Alison Craig
Subject: RE: Book Suggestion - Fonts

I mostly read e-books these days, so I checked the King County (Washington) 
library website and found that they only have the audiobook version! Very odd, 
considering the subject matter.

Clint


Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace  Electronics | +1 425 743 
8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:12 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Book Suggestion - Fonts

This is off topic, but I wanted to share a book I just read.

As technical writers, many of you will be interested in fonts. Just my Type by 
Simon Garfield is informative, interesting and sometimes very funny.

The hard cover version is about $20 dollars, but it's also available in 
paperback and e-book (and no I don't know the author and I don't get anything 
for the recommendation :)).


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com


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RE: Generated list of variables

[Alison Craig]

The Variables Tool from Silicon Prairie generates a Variables Formats 
Used/Variable Formats Not Used list – but it only include user-defined 
Variables.

The Generate Variable Format Report (same tool) lists all System Variables 
(with your edits), but doesn’t say whether or not they are used.


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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:21 AM
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Subject: Generated list of variables

Is there a way to generate a list of variables used in a book?
I don't see anything in the native functionality.

Grant
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Book Suggestion - Fonts

[Alison Craig]

As this is a very visual book, Audio is certainly an odd format.

Alison


From: Owen, Clint [mailto:clint.o...@craneae.com]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 7:22 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Alison Craig
Subject: RE: Book Suggestion - Fonts

I mostly read e-books these days, so I checked the King County (Washington) 
library website and found that they only have the audiobook version! Very odd, 
considering the subject matter.

Clint


Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 
8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:12 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: OT: Book Suggestion - Fonts

This is off topic, but I wanted to share a book I just read.

As technical writers, many of you will be interested in fonts. Just my Type by 
Simon Garfield is informative, interesting and sometimes very funny.

The hard cover version is about $20 dollars, but it's also available in 
paperback and e-book (and no I don't know the author and I don't get anything 
for the recommendation :)).


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
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Generated list of variables

[Alison Craig]

The Variables Tool from Silicon Prairie generates a Variables Formats 
Used/Variable Formats Not Used list ? but it only include user-defined 
Variables.

The Generate Variable Format Report (same tool) lists all System Variables 
(with your edits), but doesn?t say whether or not they are used.


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com>

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of gr...@hedgewizard.net
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:21 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Generated list of variables

Is there a way to generate a list of variables used in a book?
I don't see anything in the native functionality.

Grant
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Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a skip to next table command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from wherever in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.

Any suggestions?

Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
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OT: Book Suggestion - Fonts

[Alison Craig]

This is off topic, but I wanted to share a book I just read.

As technical writers, many of you will be interested in fonts. Just my Type by 
Simon Garfield is informative, interesting and sometimes very funny.

The hard cover version is about $20 dollars, but it's also available in 
paperback and e-book (and no I don't know the author and I don't get anything 
for the recommendation J).


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
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RE: Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

I got that advice off-list – and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a “skip to next table” command?

I’m using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from “wherever” in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium’s Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit  Find/Change 
 Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag table tag name?

HTH,


--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



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RE: Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

I’ll take him up on that as soon as my new bosses devise a budget for such 
things (and I have high hopes they will, although it might take a few months 
before everything is sorted out).

Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:07 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Rick Quatro
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

I'll bet Rick Quatro could knock off an Extendscript to do that in oh, about 14 
seconds...

sr


On 2013-Apr-25 6:01 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
I got that advice off-list – and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a “skip to next table” command?

I’m using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from “wherever” in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium’s Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit  Find/Change 
 Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag table tag name?

HTH,


--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com




--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



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Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a "skip to next table" command?

I'm using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from "wherever" in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium's Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.

Any suggestions?

Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com>

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OT: Book Suggestion - Fonts

[Alison Craig]

This is off topic, but I wanted to share a book I just read.

As technical writers, many of you will be interested in fonts. Just my Type by 
Simon Garfield is informative, interesting and sometimes very funny.

The hard cover version is about $20 dollars, but it's also available in 
paperback and e-book (and no I don't know the author and I don't get anything 
for the recommendation J).


Alison Craig  |  Technical Documentation Lead
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation  |  #130 - 4311 Viking Way, BC, Canada  V6V2K9
T 604-279-8550 ext. 127  |  F 604-279-8559  |  TF 1-866-437-9508  |  
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Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

I got that advice off-list ? and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a ?skip to next table? command?

I?m using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from ?wherever? in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium?s Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit > Find/Change 
> Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag ?

HTH,


--

Stuart Rogers

Technical Communicator

Phoenix Geophysics Limited

3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3

Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5

+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325



http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Skip to Next Table Command?

[Alison Craig]

I?ll take him up on that as soon as my new bosses devise a budget for such 
things (and I have high hopes they will, although it might take a few months 
before everything is sorted out).

Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:07 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Rick Quatro
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

I'll bet Rick Quatro could knock off an Extendscript to do that in oh, about 14 
seconds...

sr


On 2013-Apr-25 6:01 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
I got that advice off-list ? and it works, except there is the extra step of 
esc t m t to get to the beginning of the first cell.

It would be nicer if there was just a command to go to the beginning of the 
first cell of the next table.

Thanks, Alison

From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Skip to Next Table Command?

On 2013-Apr-25 4:34 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Is there a ?skip to next table? command?

I?m using Silicon Prairie tools to check everything in my books for overrides 
(tedious to say the least) and it would be so much simpler to check the tables 
is there was a keyboard command to move from ?wherever? in the current table to 
the beginning of the first cell in the next table.

I checked the Frame 9 PDF and also Scriptorium?s Unstructured Frame 8 book, but 
no luck.




I'm on FM 10, and can't remember if FM 9 has this command:  Edit > Find/Change 
> Find Any Table.  If FM 9 has it, there you go.  Or it might have Find Table 
Tag ?

HTH,


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Technical Communicator

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Modifying Image Paths

[Alison Craig]

I've used the "search and replace path in a MIF file" method when my image 
links have come back broken from a translation round and I need to get the 
files out ASAP (ie, rather than return them to the translators to be fixed).

It works just fine. Just be sure to make copies of everything before you do the 
search and replace.

Also, you might do a few updates through Frame first so you know exactly what 
path to use as the replacement.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of N M
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:34 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Judy Bragg
Cc: judy
Subject: Re: Modifying Image Paths

You could test this to see if it works before you actually do it on your 
production copies...

Open the FM file as a MIF.

Do a find and replace on the file path name.

Resave as an FM file.

It's been a long time since I looked at MIFs and what they can do, but that 
approach might be an option.

Nadine

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wrote:

From: Judy Bragg mailto:j...@hypack.com>>
Subject: Modifying Image Paths
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: "judy" mailto:judy at hypack.com>>
Received: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 10:00 AM
My company is soon to begin working with translation software.
Until now, my images have been filed in a chapter subfolder. Since our images 
will not be localized, I'm moving the images to a location where they can be 
accessed by each language by the same path. That way, I add/change an image 
once and everything updates.

The downside...I have to update the paths for all of the images in my current 
English documentation.  Redefining the path for each image (or every few 
images) as the interface asks for it is proving very time-consuming and tedious.

I'm using TCS4 (FM11) on a Win7 PC. My documents typically have text insets, 
images by reference, cross-references and index markers.

This morning, I thought I'd investigate whether the Insets pod would be of any 
help.  I've never used it for anything before
 and, curiously, when I opened it today there's nothing in it. (Not even the 
toolbar pictured in the Help files.) The same thing happens with the Reference 
pod.  The markers pod is populated.

Trying to get anything in the Insets and Reference pods, I've tried selecting a 
single inset, the full document content, the full book content...nothing!

If anyone has suggestions to speed things along, using pods or by some other 
method, I'd love to hear from you!
Thanks!

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RE: Imported text

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I write for a Medical Device company and repeated Warnings and Cautions are 
common - so I keep that text in file and import it as needed. It's much simpler 
to update a single Warning in the Inset file than to try to find every 
occurrence of that Warning within 20+ files.

It also saves on translation costs.

Alison 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:34 AM
To: meg miranda; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Imported text

At 11:04 -0700 22/4/13, meg miranda wrote:

I just wanted to see how common it is to use imported text files in Frame 
books.

Do you use this Frame feature?
If so, do you use it to reuse or share text?

In contrast to what others have posted, I work on textbooks mainly in Frame and 
the copyright info tends to change, so I don't use text imports for that. 
Perhaps the most common use for me is importing the author's software code 
examples. But now that I think about that, there's not a lot of advantage over 
copy-paste unless they get updated often.

Duplicated common text can also be handled using xrefs.

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Imported text

[Alison Craig]

I write for a Medical Device company and repeated Warnings and Cautions are 
common - so I keep that text in file and import it as needed. It's much simpler 
to update a single Warning in the Inset file than to try to find every 
occurrence of that Warning within 20+ files.

It also saves on translation costs.

Alison 

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:34 AM
To: meg miranda; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Imported text

At 11:04 -0700 22/4/13, meg miranda wrote:

>I just wanted to see how common it is to use imported text files in Frame 
>books.
>
>Do you use this Frame feature?
>If so, do you use it to reuse or share text?

In contrast to what others have posted, I work on textbooks mainly in Frame and 
the copyright info tends to change, so I don't use text imports for that. 
Perhaps the most common use for me is importing the author's software code 
examples. But now that I think about that, there's not a lot of advantage over 
copy-paste unless they get updated often.

Duplicated common text can also be handled using xrefs.

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Selecting Colours for Conditions

[Alison Craig]

That?s a great idea!

Thanks, Alison

From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz]
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:29 PM
To: Alison Craig; HelenBorrie; bodvar at gmail.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Selecting Colours for Conditions

Hi Alison

We're dealing with something similar by using conditions with colored text for 
product variations and conditions wiith background shading for feature 
variations. You could give your short/advanced conditions background shading 
instead of colored text.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Alison Craig mailto:Alison.Craig at 
>>> ultrasonix.com>> 20/04/13 04:39 >>>
Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my original Conditions are for a very different 
purpose than what you describe.

We have 5 different hardware platforms for our medical device, but a large 
portion of the book is common to all platforms. Currently, my Conditions cover 
the differences between the platforms ? and many times, the same info will 
pertain to only 1 or perhaps 2, 3 or 4 platforms, but not all five. By 
definition, those Conditions overlap.

I am now having to devise Short and Advanced versions of the book. Up to 95% of 
this will be covered by the inclusion/exclusion of Chapters and Appendices in a 
new book, but a small amount of content within the book files themselves will 
have to conditionalized as Short or Advanced.

I was hoping to save a little time, but I guess that?s not possible.

As for overlapping Conditions ending up as magenta, I did have some of that 
problem, but I also had a problem with muddy blues and the khaki issue you 
mention. That?s why it took so long to determine the correct mix of colours in 
the first place ? especially as I used to cover 6 platforms in one book, not 
just the 5 I currently do.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of B??var Bj?rgvinsson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Helen Borrie
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Selecting Colours for Conditions

Great, Helen.

Another way of doing it might have been to create colors under the names of the 
condition names: eOnly, Print1, etc. That way you would not have to remember 
any color names or to which condition each color applied.

Cheers,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Helen Borrie mailto:helebor at iinet.net.au>> wrote:
At 09:17 a.m. 19/04/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
> boundary="_000_17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30CC5A15342exchangeultra_"
>
>FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
>Unstructured
>OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
>
>Does anyone know if any kind of ?guide? exists regarding the best colours to 
>choose when creating Conditions?
>
>When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see 
>how colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text 
>(lots of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the 
>combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn?t make sense 
>to use colours in the first place if I couldn?t tell where one combo stopped 
>and the next one started.
>
>I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don?t 
>have a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of 
>guide, I?d really love to see it ? if you?re willing to share.
Recently I broke up a very large eBook into three volumes for print.  It's the 
first time I've using conditionals seriously.  I followed the advice in Sarah 
O'Keefe's book and avoided having overlapping conditions.  I had to play around 
a bit until I got useful contrasts.

The book said that FM would show all overlapping conditions as magenta so it 
would be a good idea to avoid assigning magenta to a particular condition.  In 
fact, I never saw magenta at all;  all the overlaps that I had in my initial 
scheme (subsequently abandoned) came through as a sort of khaki when I did the 
conditionals for the first chapter.  That's when I decided Sarah was right and 
I should not try to piggyback the same conditions.

The scheme I ended up with was five conditions: eOnly, printOnly, Print1, 
Print2 and Print3.  (I have a navigation scheme built into the e-Version, which 
was not appropriate for the print books. The book will never have an omnibus 
print edition as it is wy too large.)

I picked the brightest possible high-contrast colours for the five conditions 
(avoiding magenta by Sarah's advice and blue because the Silicon Prairie 
indexing tools use blue for index markers.  I also avoided red because Fm8 
seems to use it as a warning when conditions conflict in some way.)  I think I 
had 

RE: Selecting Colours for Conditions

[Alison Craig]

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my original Conditions are for a very different 
purpose than what you describe.

We have 5 different hardware platforms for our medical device, but a large 
portion of the book is common to all platforms. Currently, my Conditions cover 
the differences between the platforms - and many times, the same info will 
pertain to only 1 or perhaps 2, 3 or 4 platforms, but not all five. By 
definition, those Conditions overlap.

I am now having to devise Short and Advanced versions of the book. Up to 95% of 
this will be covered by the inclusion/exclusion of Chapters and Appendices in a 
new book, but a small amount of content within the book files themselves will 
have to conditionalized as Short or Advanced.

I was hoping to save a little time, but I guess that's not possible.

As for overlapping Conditions ending up as magenta, I did have some of that 
problem, but I also had a problem with muddy blues and the khaki issue you 
mention. That's why it took so long to determine the correct mix of colours in 
the first place - especially as I used to cover 6 platforms in one book, not 
just the 5 I currently do.

Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Böðvar Björgvinsson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Helen Borrie
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Selecting Colours for Conditions

Great, Helen.

Another way of doing it might have been to create colors under the names of the 
condition names: eOnly, Print1, etc. That way you would not have to remember 
any color names or to which condition each color applied.

Cheers,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Helen Borrie 
hele...@iinet.net.aumailto:hele...@iinet.net.au wrote:
At 09:17 a.m. 19/04/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

 boundary=_000_17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30CC5A15342exchangeultra_

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Does anyone know if any kind of guide exists regarding the best colours to 
choose when creating Conditions?

When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see 
how colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text 
(lots of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the 
combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn't make sense 
to use colours in the first place if I couldn't tell where one combo stopped 
and the next one started.

I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don't 
have a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of 
guide, I'd really love to see it - if you're willing to share.
Recently I broke up a very large eBook into three volumes for print.  It's the 
first time I've using conditionals seriously.  I followed the advice in Sarah 
O'Keefe's book and avoided having overlapping conditions.  I had to play around 
a bit until I got useful contrasts.

The book said that FM would show all overlapping conditions as magenta so it 
would be a good idea to avoid assigning magenta to a particular condition.  In 
fact, I never saw magenta at all;  all the overlaps that I had in my initial 
scheme (subsequently abandoned) came through as a sort of khaki when I did the 
conditionals for the first chapter.  That's when I decided Sarah was right and 
I should not try to piggyback the same conditions.

The scheme I ended up with was five conditions: eOnly, printOnly, Print1, 
Print2 and Print3.  (I have a navigation scheme built into the e-Version, which 
was not appropriate for the print books. The book will never have an omnibus 
print edition as it is wy too large.)

I picked the brightest possible high-contrast colours for the five conditions 
(avoiding magenta by Sarah's advice and blue because the Silicon Prairie 
indexing tools use blue for index markers.  I also avoided red because Fm8 
seems to use it as a warning when conditions conflict in some way.)  I think I 
had forest green for eOnly, green for Print1, cyan for Print2, salmon for 
Print3 and dark blue for printOnly.

On thing I did find was that it is very easy to change the entire colour 
scheme.  Once I had it pinned down, I just kept a card by me with the colours 
on it, so I didn't have to think about it when repeatedly swapping condition 
markers between {a colour} and {As Is}.

HTH, maybe a little bit, anyway...
Helen

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Selecting Colours for Conditions

[Alison Craig]

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my original Conditions are for a very different 
purpose than what you describe.

We have 5 different hardware platforms for our medical device, but a large 
portion of the book is common to all platforms. Currently, my Conditions cover 
the differences between the platforms - and many times, the same info will 
pertain to only 1 or perhaps 2, 3 or 4 platforms, but not all five. By 
definition, those Conditions overlap.

I am now having to devise Short and Advanced versions of the book. Up to 95% of 
this will be covered by the inclusion/exclusion of Chapters and Appendices in a 
new book, but a small amount of content within the book files themselves will 
have to conditionalized as Short or Advanced.

I was hoping to save a little time, but I guess that's not possible.

As for overlapping Conditions ending up as magenta, I did have some of that 
problem, but I also had a problem with muddy blues and the khaki issue you 
mention. That's why it took so long to determine the correct mix of colours in 
the first place - especially as I used to cover 6 platforms in one book, not 
just the 5 I currently do.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of B??var Bj?rgvinsson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Helen Borrie
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Selecting Colours for Conditions

Great, Helen.

Another way of doing it might have been to create colors under the names of the 
condition names: eOnly, Print1, etc. That way you would not have to remember 
any color names or to which condition each color applied.

Cheers,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Helen Borrie mailto:helebor at iinet.net.au>> wrote:
At 09:17 a.m. 19/04/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
> boundary="_000_17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30CC5A15342exchangeultra_"
>
>FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
>Unstructured
>OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
>
>Does anyone know if any kind of "guide" exists regarding the best colours to 
>choose when creating Conditions?
>
>When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see 
>how colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text 
>(lots of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the 
>combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn't make sense 
>to use colours in the first place if I couldn't tell where one combo stopped 
>and the next one started.
>
>I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don't 
>have a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of 
>guide, I'd really love to see it - if you're willing to share.
Recently I broke up a very large eBook into three volumes for print.  It's the 
first time I've using conditionals seriously.  I followed the advice in Sarah 
O'Keefe's book and avoided having overlapping conditions.  I had to play around 
a bit until I got useful contrasts.

The book said that FM would show all overlapping conditions as magenta so it 
would be a good idea to avoid assigning magenta to a particular condition.  In 
fact, I never saw magenta at all;  all the overlaps that I had in my initial 
scheme (subsequently abandoned) came through as a sort of khaki when I did the 
conditionals for the first chapter.  That's when I decided Sarah was right and 
I should not try to piggyback the same conditions.

The scheme I ended up with was five conditions: eOnly, printOnly, Print1, 
Print2 and Print3.  (I have a navigation scheme built into the e-Version, which 
was not appropriate for the print books. The book will never have an omnibus 
print edition as it is wy too large.)

I picked the brightest possible high-contrast colours for the five conditions 
(avoiding magenta by Sarah's advice and blue because the Silicon Prairie 
indexing tools use blue for index markers.  I also avoided red because Fm8 
seems to use it as a warning when conditions conflict in some way.)  I think I 
had forest green for eOnly, green for Print1, cyan for Print2, salmon for 
Print3 and dark blue for printOnly.

On thing I did find was that it is very easy to change the entire colour 
scheme.  Once I had it pinned down, I just kept a card by me with the colours 
on it, so I didn't have to think about it when repeatedly swapping condition 
markers between {a colour} and {As Is}.

HTH, maybe a little bit, anyway...
Helen

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Selecting Colours for Conditions

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7, 64 bit

Does anyone know if any kind of "guide" exists regarding the best colours to 
choose when creating Conditions?

When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see how 
colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text (lots 
of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the 
combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn't make sense 
to use colours in the first place if I couldn't tell where one combo stopped 
and the next one started.

I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don't have 
a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of guide, 
I'd really love to see it - if you're willing to share.


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RE: Cursor key navigation in tables

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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Cursor key navigation in tables

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to know the answer to this as well as I, too, use Frame 9 and hate the 
awful table navigation option of tab, tab, tab...

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 11:30 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Cursor key navigation in tables

It's actually been nearly two years since I've used FrameMaker on a daily 
basis, and that was still FM8 (for a variety of reasons that don't matter 
here). But the project I'm working on now is based on a document that was done 
in FM9, so here I am trying to meet a deadline and come to terms with a 
completely unfamiliar UI at the same time.

One of the things that is driving me completely nuts is the absence of cursor 
key navigation inside tables. The bulk of the document I'm working on is pin 
description tables for a SoC chip with 1243 pins, and having to reach for the 
mouse (or type Tab 6 times to step sequentially through the cells) to move the 
insertion point down one row several thousand times has *ZERO* appeal. I know 
that in older versions of FrameMaker there was a simple modification one could 
to to cmds.cfg (if I recall correctly) to make the cursor keys (or cursor keys 
plus a modifier key) work inside a Frame table just like they would inside a 
Word table or a spreadsheet, but I have had no luck putting my hands on that 
info. I did read the section on customizing commands in the FM7 (Windows) 
version of Customizing FrameMaker and tried a couple modifications of the FM9 
cmds.cfg file, but no joy.

Can someone enlighten me whether the cursor keys can be made to work inside 
tables, and if so how to make that happen? My mouse hand and arm will be 
eternally grateful.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Alison Craig]

I looked into this in December and this is the answer I received from Adobe:

If you need to purchase Framemaker 9 and Adobe Design standard CS 5, then you 
need to purchase the Volume license copy of Framemaker 11 and Adobe Design 
Standard CS 6 as Adobe is not selling FM 9 and CS 5 anymore,  then any one from 
the customer services team will do the backward license to FM 9 and CS 5. 
Please let me know in case of any doubt. 
(priya...@adobe.commailto:priya...@adobe.com)

Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:24 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

If you registered your copy, you might be able to buy another license and 
download the software from the Adobe Licensing site - contact them.

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: March-12-13 1:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Copy of FM 9 for coworker

[Alison Craig]

I looked into this in December and this is the answer I received from Adobe:

"If you need to purchase Framemaker 9 and Adobe Design standard CS 5, then you 
need to purchase the Volume license copy of Framemaker 11 and Adobe Design 
Standard CS 6 as Adobe is not selling FM 9 and CS 5 anymore,  then any one from 
the customer services team will do the backward license to FM 9 and CS 5. 
Please let me know in case of any doubt." (priyasha at 
adobe.com)

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:24 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

If you registered your copy, you might be able to buy another license and 
download the software from the Adobe Licensing site - contact them.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: March-12-13 1:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Copy of FM 9 for coworker

Hi Framers,

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of (and license for) Frame 9 for a 
coworker? He's at a different site (and country) than I am. I have the install 
CD but my office only  has a single-use license.

Thanks,

Peggy
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OT: FM and InDesign

[Alison Craig]

Actually, if you can use it without saving/paying, that would work well for the 
initial issue I have. All we want from that document is to confirm font 
type/size, line spacing, etc.

Additional jobs will likely demand more than that.

Thanks for everyone's help - and "hopeful" suggestions ;-)))

Alison

From: Graeme R Forbes [mailto:graeme.for...@colorado.edu]
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:40 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Alison Craig
Subject: Re: OT: FM and InDesign

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:55:34 -0800
From: Alison Craig mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Subject: OT: FM and InDesign

I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to open 
FM9 files in InDesign?

I'm hoping as they're both Adobe products, there's some kind of support.

Alison


Jeremy's right, take Eliot's advice and wait without hope.

But in the meantime, you could try MIF Filter from DTP Tools 
(http://www.dtptools.com/). You pay per page: buy page credits in advance, save 
the FM doc as MIF, open the MIF using MIF Filter from within InDesign, and if 
the result is acceptable, save as an ID document. Your account isn't charged 
until you save, so you can inspect the conversion results and decide if you 
want to pay for them. I guess you can test MF by installing it and running a 
conversion without buying page credits, then buy the credits if you like the 
output.

I've found MF to be pretty successful, but not entirely successful. Recently, I 
had to work on a document I wrote in 2000, but it was sufficiently complicated 
that I decided it would be simplest to work on an old Mac that ran FM7, rather 
than clean up the ID doc MF produced. In other cases, the ID doc was fine. So 
ymmv. I've found their online support to be excellent, normally.

Graeme Forbes
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OT: FM and InDesign

[Alison Craig]

I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to open 
FM9 files in InDesign?

I'm hoping as they're both Adobe products, there's some kind of support.

Alison
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RE: OT: FM and InDesign

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We can live in hope! ;-)))

Alison


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Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:27 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: FM and InDesign

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:55:34 -0800, Alison Craig
 alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to 
open FM9 files in InDesign?

No.  But at least one publisher gets there via Mif2Go's Word RTF output, with 
reasonable fidelity.

Don't even consider round-tripping.

I'm hoping as they're both Adobe products, there's some kind of 
support.

From Adobe?  ROFL!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/
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OT: FM and InDesign

[Alison Craig]

I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to open 
FM9 files in InDesign?

I'm hoping as they're both Adobe products, there's some kind of support.

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OT: FM and InDesign

[Alison Craig]

We can live in hope! ;-)))

Alison


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Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:27 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: OT: FM and InDesign

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 13:55:34 -0800, Alison Craig
>  wrote:

>I don't use InDesign at all, so can someone tell me if it's possible to 
>open FM9 files in InDesign?

No.  But at least one publisher gets there via Mif2Go's Word RTF output, with 
reasonable fidelity.

Don't even consider round-tripping.

>I'm hoping as they're both Adobe products, there's some kind of 
>support.

>From Adobe?  ROFL!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/
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RE: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

[Alison Craig]

I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But in 
order to avoid the unresolved problem I take the following steps.

1. all files in the book are open
2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref dialog
3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's live

It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a lot 
faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.

Alison


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Fred Ridder; Harro de Jong; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

-- 
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Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

[Alison Craig]

I do the same thing on a small scale all the time (21 files in my book). But in 
order to avoid the "unresolved" problem I take the following steps.

1. all files in the book are open
2. after pasting the repeated xref, double-click it to bring up the xref dialog
3. ensure the Marker Type and Cross-Reference Markers match properly
4. click the Replace button to update the link and ensure it's "live"

It sounds like a lot of work, but it only takes a few seconds - and it's a lot 
faster than creating a repeated xref from scratch.

Alison


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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:29 AM
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Fred Ridder; Harro de Jong; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Copy/paste of in-book xrefs

At 16:18 +0200 28/2/13, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>I'm not 100% sure about all this. I've just noticed certain combinations don't 
>work and certain do. If anyone has more definitive information, please let us 
>know.

As Fred explained to me off list, FrameMaker stores an in-document xref 
differently to an ex-document xref, without a file path. This means - as 
several of you have said - that pasting an in-document xref to another document 
in the same book will not work.

Thanks everyone. You learn something new every day - whether you intend to or 
not ;-)

-- 
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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format - so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a Graphics subdirectory for all graphics.

Here's the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the Graphics 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files - the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I'd just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I'd fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too - they were 
linked absolutely to the Graphics folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative Graphics folder I'd copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that's what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we're STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I'm hoping he'll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I've seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I'm hoping he doesn't have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy
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RE: Relative vs. absolute links

[Alison Craig]

I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – 
everything works fine with relative paths.

But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with 
absolute paths.

That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the 
paths become absolute anyway.

Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files 
are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no 
network issue, at least on my end.

Alison

From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Alison
We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. 
Graphics on a separate drive are absolute.

--Paul
On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig 
alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:
I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics.

Here’s the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too – they were 
linked absolutely to the “Graphics” folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative “Graphics” folder I’d copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that’s what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we’re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I’m hoping he’ll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I’ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I’m hoping he doesn’t have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy


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Relative vs. absolute links

[Alison Craig]

I'd love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format - so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a "Graphics" subdirectory for all graphics.

Here's the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the "Graphics" 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the "Graphics" directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files - the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I'd just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I'd fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too - they were 
linked absolutely to the "Graphics" folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative "Graphics" folder I'd copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that's what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we're STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I'm hoping he'll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I've seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I'm hoping he doesn't have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy
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Relative vs. absolute links

[Alison Craig]

I would agree, as when I send the files out ? all on the same drive ? 
everything works fine with relative paths.

But when they come back ? still all on the same drive ? they are returned with 
absolute paths.

That?s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don?t change ? but the 
paths become absolute anyway.

Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files 
are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no 
network issue, at least on my end.

Alison

From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy
Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links

Alison
We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. 
Graphics on a separate drive are absolute.

--Paul
On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig mailto:Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com>> wrote:
I?d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute 
issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators.

Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format ? so 
my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning.

Alison

PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics 
in a series of subfolders.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Harvey, Peggy
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Relative vs. absolute links

Hi Framers,

FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576

Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file 
references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I 
convert either way.

I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has 
FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory 
with a ?Graphics? subdirectory for all graphics.

Here?s the sequence of events:

1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put 
them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9.
2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I 
could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive 
to do the work.
3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. 
I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the ?Graphics? 
subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I 
believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references 
between files were all broken.
4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in 
MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files 
and copied the ?Graphics? directory to the same folder as the MIF files.
5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in 
.fm (or .book) format.
6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous 
files ? the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted 
all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I?d just 
created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder.
6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the 
cross-references I?d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further 
inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too ? they were 
linked absolutely to the ?Graphics? folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the 
relative ?Graphics? folder I?d copied to the FM 7 folder.

My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and 
cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from 
one version to another? At least that?s what seems to be happening, either when 
I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from 
FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this?

FYI: Our final solution is we?re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to 
FM 9 as soon as possible. I?m hoping he?ll be able to even though Adobe is on 
FM 11 now. I?ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to 
update to it at this time so I?m hoping he doesn?t have to, either.

Thanks,

Peggy


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RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

Here's a what if scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing issue 
(clever solution Nadine - I'll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)...

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size fudge for switching 
between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate 
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and 
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles, 
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first template when you 
want to create a PDF for the US market. Once that's complete, apply the second 
template to the book to create the PDF for the European market.

Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings (that 
is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and then generate 
two different outputs.

Nadine


From: Lise Bible rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com
To: Post Framers 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this 
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to 
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American 
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11 
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need to be 
A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page sizes, 
depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two separate 
books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

Thanks,
Lise
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RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

I already use a fair amount of Conditional text as my Service manuals cover 3 
platforms.

I'd have to think carefully about adding another.

Alison 


-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 AM
To: Alison Craig; Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

The only thing I can think of is conditional text. But you can include your 
condition settings in the template.

Nadine
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RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

I always have to check page breaks (or reasonable text flow might be the better 
description) as I create 3 different PDFs off the conditional source files - 
and I only have Chapter and Appendix headings set to top of page, so that isn't 
a problem.

I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quaint these days - but hard copy is 
Regulatory fact of life in the Medical Device industry.

Alison

From: Peter Hirons [mailto:pe...@galley.ie]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'Writer'; 'Lise Bible'; 'Post Framers'
Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

The nearest ISO (Note: International Standards organisation - not just 
European) size is A3, which just happens to be twice the area of A4.  That's 
approx. 11.5 x 16.5 inches (exactly 297 x 420 mm).  If I had to deal with that 
and your quaint tabloid size I'd set up a custom size of  11 x 16.5.

I agree that Nadine's suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have 
time to work through each document every time you change to check that there 
aren't any unfortunate page breaks.  Sensible use of keep with next instead 
of hard top of page settings can help of course.

Peter

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Writer; Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Here's a what if scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing issue 
(clever solution Nadine - I'll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)...

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size fudge for switching 
between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

Alison

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate 
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and 
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles, 
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first template when you 
want to create a PDF for the US market. Once that's complete, apply the second 
template to the book to create the PDF for the European market.

Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings (that 
is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and then generate 
two different outputs.

Nadine


From: Lise Bible rentagoodb...@gmail.commailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com
To: Post Framers 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this 
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to 
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American 
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11 
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need to be 
A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page sizes, 
depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two separate 
books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

Thanks,
Lise
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RE: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Alison Craig]

Works in FM9 as well! But it scrolls up and down using the settings I've 
defined.

How does it work if you haven't/can't set those in FM 11?

Alison


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:06 PM
To: craig...@hotmail.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Karen Robbins'; dan.han...@thieletech.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

;)

-Matt

Matt Sullivan
technical communication | online training | eLearning

twitter: @mattrsullivanhttp://twitter.com/mattrsullivan
phone: 714 960-6840

On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Craig Ede 
craig...@hotmail.commailto:craig...@hotmail.com wrote:


Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And I've 
been around a long time!)
Works in FM10 as well.
Craig

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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

Here's a "what if" scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing issue 
(clever solution Nadine - I'll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)...

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size "fudge" for switching 
between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate 
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and 
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles, 
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first template when you 
want to create a PDF for the US market. Once that's complete, apply the second 
template to the book to create the PDF for the European market.

Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings (that 
is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and then generate 
two different outputs.

Nadine


From: Lise Bible mailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com>>
To: Post Framers mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this 
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to 
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American 
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11 
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need to be 
A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page sizes, 
depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two separate 
books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

Thanks,
Lise
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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

I already use a fair amount of Conditional text as my Service manuals cover 3 
platforms.

I'd have to think carefully about adding another.

Alison 


-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 AM
To: Alison Craig; Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

>What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
>Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

The only thing I can think of is conditional text. But you can include your 
condition settings in the template.

Nadine

switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

I always have to check page breaks (or reasonable text flow might be the better 
description) as I create 3 different PDFs off the conditional source files - 
and I only have Chapter and Appendix headings set to top of page, so that isn't 
a problem.

I know printed copies from PDFs are almost quaint these days - but hard copy is 
Regulatory fact of life in the Medical Device industry.

Alison

From: Peter Hirons [mailto:pe...@galley.ie]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 AM
To: Alison Craig; 'Writer'; 'Lise Bible'; 'Post Framers'
Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

The nearest ISO (Note: International Standards organisation - not just 
European) size is A3, which just happens to be twice the area of A4.  That's 
approx. 11.5 x 16.5 inches (exactly 297 x 420 mm).  If I had to deal with that 
and your quaint tabloid size I'd set up a custom size of  11 x 16.5.

I agree that Nadine's suggestion of two templates is probably best if you have 
time to work through each document every time you change to check that there 
aren't any unfortunate page breaks.  Sensible use of "keep with next" instead 
of hard "top of page" settings can help of course.

Peter

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Alison Craig
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Writer; Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Here's a "what if" scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing issue 
(clever solution Nadine - I'll keep that in mind for my Service Manual)...

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched from 
Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle that?

Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size "fudge" for switching 
between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are separate 
from the book and separate from each other). One template file is 8.5 x 11, and 
the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes (paragraph styles, 
character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the first template when you 
want to create a PDF for the US market. Once that's complete, apply the second 
template to the book to create the PDF for the European market.

Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings (that 
is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and then generate 
two different outputs.

Nadine


From: Lise Bible mailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com>>
To: Post Framers mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Fellow Framers,
I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by this 
list's members to be quite helpful!

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to 
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the American 
market or European.
This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with 8.5x11 
(US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it might need to be 
A4-sized for the European market.

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page sizes, 
depending on which version of a book you want to print?

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two separate 
books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had recommendations.

Thanks,
Lise
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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[Alison Craig]

Great and useful advice as always, everyone.

Thanks, Alison

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) 
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:40 AM
To: Alison Craig; Post Framers
Subject: RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

Alison Craig wrote:
>Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size "fudge" for switching 
>between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

European A3 is the closest to US Tabloid. As I recall, it is slightly wider 
(just under two centimeters) and slightly shorter (just over one centimeter).

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Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Alison Craig]

Works in FM9 as well! But it scrolls up and down using the settings I've 
defined.

How does it work if you haven't/can't set those in FM 11?

Alison


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:06 PM
To: craigede at hotmail.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Karen Robbins'; dan.hanson at 
thieletech.com
Subject: Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

;)

-Matt

Matt Sullivan
technical communication | online training | eLearning

twitter: @mattrsullivan
phone: 714 960-6840

On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Craig Ede mailto:craigede 
at hotmail.com>> wrote:


Now that is one of the handiest tips I've ever gotten from this list! (And I've 
been around a long time!)
Works in FM10 as well.
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RE: Pagination FM 11

[Alison Craig]

I, too, have fought with this problem on several occasions in the past (the 
comments about All Conditions showing vs a specific set of Conditions 
definitely apply to my case).

When this rears its head again, I will now have several new things to try in 
order to correct the problem.

Thanks everyone, Alison

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:17 AM
To: Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Pagination FM 11

Ah, yes, thanks for adding to the list of possible culprits, Fred!  In 
particular, I've also seen the cloned main text frame.  That's a tough one to 
troubleshoot because as you say, it overlies the real one.  Here's how I 
finally found it:

Ctrl-click on the main text frame.
Grab one of the selection handles and drag it to the up or left to make it 
smaller than the real frame.
Press Ctrl-L to refresh the view.
If you still see the outline of the main text frame, then the frame you just 
resized is extra. Delete it.
If you don't still see the main text frame, the one you resized is actually the 
real frame.  Press Ctrl-Z to undo the resizing.


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:06 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Pagination FM 11

Anita Gutierez wrote:

This is a wild guess out of nowhere. :)  Sometimes I've had empty
pages which actually contain a tiny, invisible little text box-in other
words, some object that Frame thinks it is supposed to keep. When
I update the book or save the file, the empty pages remain unless
I find the offending object and delete it.

This is much the same suggestion I was going to make. But there are other types 
of invisible things that cause the same behavior. For example, it can be an 
empty graphic frame rather than a text frame. And the text frame can be big 
rather than small--there have been cases in the past when users accidentally 
created a clone of the main text frame that is virtually impossible to see 
because it exactly overlies the default frame. A custom master page assignment 
also counts as something that will make a specific page non-empty even if there 
is no visible content.

-Fred Ridder
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Pagination FM 11

[Alison Craig]

I, too, have fought with this problem on several occasions in the past (the 
comments about All Conditions showing vs a specific set of Conditions 
definitely apply to my case).

When this rears its head again, I will now have several new things to try in 
order to correct the problem.

Thanks everyone, Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:17 AM
To: Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Pagination FM 11

Ah, yes, thanks for adding to the list of possible culprits, Fred!  In 
particular, I've also seen the cloned main text frame.  That's a tough one to 
troubleshoot because as you say, it overlies the "real" one.  Here's how I 
finally found it:

Ctrl-click on the main text frame.
Grab one of the selection handles and drag it to the up or left to make it 
smaller than the "real" frame.
Press Ctrl-L to refresh the view.
If you still see the outline of the main text frame, then the frame you just 
resized is extra. Delete it.
If you don't still see the main text frame, the one you resized is actually the 
"real" frame.  Press Ctrl-Z to undo the resizing.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:06 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Pagination FM 11

Anita Gutierez wrote:

>This is a wild guess out of nowhere. :)  Sometimes I've had "empty"
>pages which actually contain a tiny, invisible little text box-in other
>words, some object that Frame thinks it is supposed to keep. When
>I update the book or save the file, the empty pages remain unless
>I find the offending object and delete it.

This is much the same suggestion I was going to make. But there are other types 
of invisible things that cause the same behavior. For example, it can be an 
empty graphic frame rather than a text frame. And the text frame can be big 
rather than small--there have been cases in the past when users accidentally 
created a clone of the main text frame that is virtually impossible to see 
because it exactly overlies the default frame. A custom master page assignment 
also counts as something that will make a specific page non-empty even if there 
is no visible content.

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RE: Imported PDF looks poor

[Alison Craig]

As far as I am aware, printing from Frame directly to a printer will never 
produce good copy as Frame is not intended to be used that way (I think of it 
as almost WYSIWYG or blurry WYSIWYG).

Once you create the PDF from the Frame doc, simply print the PDF to obtain hard 
copies.

Alison


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Framers; 'Free Framers'
Subject: Imported PDF looks poor

Greetings, and happy new year to everyone!

I'm using FM 8 on Win 7 x64. I have a PDF-actually, a plain old IRS form 
downloaded from the IRS site. I create a new FM document, clear out all the 
text frames on both the body and master page, then import the PDF onto the 
master page. My intent is to complete the form but with some custom 
modifications that FrameMaker happens to make quite easily (on the body page).

It all works just fine ... except for this: When I print this form from some 
PDF reader-any PDF reader that I've tried-it looks great. When I use FrameMaker 
to print the same form, not so great. Both on screen and on paper, the text is 
all darkened, the edges of the letters no longer smooth and crisp. It's not 
unusable, but it certainly does not appear as it should.

If anyone has an idea as to what may be happening here, I'd appreciate your 
help. I have to prepare a number of these forms in various special ways.

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan
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As far as I am aware, printing from Frame directly to a printer will never 
produce good copy as Frame is not intended to be used that way (I think of it 
as "almost WYSIWYG" or "blurry WYSIWYG").

Once you create the PDF from the Frame doc, simply print the PDF to obtain hard 
copies.

Alison


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:35 AM
To: Framers; 'Free Framers'
Subject: Imported PDF looks poor

Greetings, and happy new year to everyone!

I'm using FM 8 on Win 7 x64. I have a PDF-actually, a plain old IRS form 
downloaded from the IRS site. I create a new FM document, clear out all the 
text frames on both the body and master page, then import the PDF onto the 
master page. My intent is to complete the form but with some custom 
modifications that FrameMaker happens to make quite easily (on the body page).

It all works just fine ... except for this: When I print this form from some 
PDF reader-any PDF reader that I've tried-it looks great. When I use FrameMaker 
to print the same form, not so great. Both on screen and on paper, the text is 
all darkened, the edges of the letters no longer smooth and crisp. It's not 
unusable, but it certainly does not appear as it should.

If anyone has an idea as to what may be happening here, I'd appreciate your 
help. I have to prepare a number of these forms in various special ways.

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan
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RE: Good vector drawing software

[Alison Craig]

Does it support AI files?

When I get mechanical dwgs from the engineers, they're saved directly from 
SolidWorks in AI format.

Alison


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:04 AM
To: Lone Writers; Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Good vector drawing software

I have for many years been a very happy user of Xara Designer (under its 
various names over the years).  It is a competitor to Adobe Illustrator, but at 
half the price; at the moment, there's a 20% discount.

If you're in the market for vector-drawing software (with some good raster 
processing for photos and web-site-building tools thrown in), you might have a 
look:
http://www.xara.com/us/products/

I have no vested interest in the company or its products.  I just really like 
the software!

best,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Good vector drawing software

[Alison Craig]

Does it support AI files?

When I get mechanical dwgs from the engineers, they're saved directly from 
SolidWorks in AI format.

Alison


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:04 AM
To: Lone Writers; Framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Good vector drawing software

I have for many years been a very happy user of Xara Designer (under its 
various names over the years).  It is a competitor to Adobe Illustrator, but at 
half the price; at the moment, there's a 20% discount.

If you're in the market for vector-drawing software (with some good raster 
processing for photos and web-site-building tools thrown in), you might have a 
look:
http://www.xara.com/us/products/

I have no vested interest in the company or its products.  I just really like 
the software!

best,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Frame 11 Stability - Upgrade or Downgrade the new copy to Frame 9? HELP

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit


The process to get a Volume license of Frame 11 and downgrade to Frame 9 looks 
like a pain, so I'm wondering if I should just recommend that we buy Frame 11 
for the new part time writer and upgrade me from 9 to 11.

What can anyone tell me about the stability of unstructured Frame 11 
immediately after upgrading from Frame 9? Or the stability of unstructured 
Frame 11, period?

I know that out of the box, this list had some stability complaints with Frame 
11 but that Adobe has issued at least 1 patch and the complaints seem to have 
settled down on this list.

What would anyone recommend as I need to decide on a preferred course of action 
in the next couple of days.

Alison


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[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit


The process to get a Volume license of Frame 11 and downgrade to Frame 9 looks 
like a pain, so I'm wondering if I should just recommend that we buy Frame 11 
for the new part time writer and upgrade me from 9 to 11.

What can anyone tell me about the stability of unstructured Frame 11 
immediately after upgrading from Frame 9? Or the stability of unstructured 
Frame 11, period?

I know that out of the box, this list had some stability complaints with Frame 
11 but that Adobe has issued at least 1 patch and the complaints seem to have 
settled down on this list.

What would anyone recommend as I need to decide on a preferred course of action 
in the next couple of days.

Alison


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Licensing Another Copy of FrameMaker??

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit


Does anyone on the list know how (if?) I can license another copy of my 
existing version of FrameMaker? We are looking to bring in another writer at 
least for the short term - and maybe as a part time permanent position. I would 
also likely need to buy an additional license for my copy of Adobe Creative 
Suite 5 Design Standard.

FM9 does everything I need and I'd rather not deal with upgrading to FM 11 
right now as my deadlines can't afford to take a hit if things need to be 
massaged in any way.

Alison



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RE: Licensing Another Copy of FrameMaker??

[Alison Craig]

Thanks, Priyank.

Alison

From: Priyank Shrivastava. [mailto:priya...@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:13 PM
To: Alison Craig; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Licensing Another Copy of FrameMaker??

Hi Allison,

If you need to purchase Framemaker 9 and Adobe Design standard CS 5, then you 
need to purchase the Volume license copy of Framemaker 11 and Adobe Design 
Standard CS 6 as Adobe is not selling FM 9 and CS 5 anymore,  then any one from 
the customer services team will do the backward license to FM 9 and CS 5. 
Please let me know in case of any doubt.

Thanks
Priyank

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: 05 December 2012 05:22
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Licensing Another Copy of FrameMaker??

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit


Does anyone on the list know how (if?) I can license another copy of my 
existing version of FrameMaker? We are looking to bring in another writer at 
least for the short term - and maybe as a part time permanent position. I would 
also likely need to buy an additional license for my copy of Adobe Creative 
Suite 5 Design Standard.

FM9 does everything I need and I'd rather not deal with upgrading to FM 11 
right now as my deadlines can't afford to take a hit if things need to be 
massaged in any way.

Alison



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Licensing Another Copy of FrameMaker??

[Alison Craig]

FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
Unstructured
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate, 64 bit


Does anyone on the list know how (if?) I can license another copy of my 
existing version of FrameMaker? We are looking to bring in another writer at 
least for the short term - and maybe as a part time permanent position. I would 
also likely need to buy an additional license for my copy of Adobe Creative 
Suite 5 Design Standard.

FM9 does everything I need and I'd rather not deal with upgrading to FM 11 
right now as my deadlines can't afford to take a hit if things need to be 
massaged in any way.

Alison



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RE: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?

[Alison Craig]

 Is it your company's intent to teach computing 101?



In my case, the answer to this is YES.



I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, all 
the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume and 
therefore would have to go with click and drag (although for me, it's tap 
and drag as we have touch screens).



 and ease of translation



At the same time, as we translate into more than 6 other languages, I always 
have to keep consistency in mind. Both for clarity and for cost.




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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:20 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Click-and-drag or just drag -- ?



 If Click and Drag will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
 then that is the better choice.



Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your company's 
intent to teach computing 101?



 If management refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
 not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.



Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand adherence, and 
ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement should weigh all those 
before entertaining variations.



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"Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?

[Alison Craig]

> Is it your company's intent to teach computing 101?



In my case, the answer to this is YES.



I have to write to the lowest common denominator - meaning that within the 
medical device community there are people who are barely computer literate, all 
the way up to those who know way more than I do. I can never assume and 
therefore would have to go with "click and drag" (although for me, it's "tap 
and drag" as we have touch screens).



> and ease of translation



At the same time, as we translate into more than 6 other languages, I always 
have to keep consistency in mind. Both for clarity and for cost.




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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:20 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: "Click-and-drag" or just "drag" -- ?



> If "Click and Drag" will result in less questioning by the reading audience, 
> then that is the better choice.



Audience indeed comes first, but do also consider intent. Is it your company's 
intent to teach computing 101?



> If "management" refuses to allow such variations, then the job is probably 
> not paying well enough for the writer's professional judgment.



Or there's a corporate style to follow for consistency, brand adherence, and 
ease of translation. A writer's professional judgement should weigh all those 
before entertaining variations.



--

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Printing paragraph styles

[Alison Craig]

Silicon Prairie "Paragraph Tools" (about $10) will also give you the info you 
need. I've attached a single Para tag example so you can see how the report is 
formatted and what's included.



I have 6 of their tools and use them regularly.



http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/index.html



Alison




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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:39 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Printing paragraph styles



Format List from squidds.de ($49) will do a very nice job of that. It creates a 
table with a row for each of the formats. It makes it very easy to scroll down 
a column and see, for example, which paragraph formats use a certain font. (It 
doesn't show every single format,

though-- but does cover all the major ones).  Format List also creates tables 
for character formats and more.



Finding the order form on their site is always a chore, though, and there are 
no upgrades. You have to repurchase the utility every time FrameMaker upgrades. 
You can download the trial version of Finalyser, which includes all of the 
squidds.de utilities, including Format List.

Actually, I think the old FM8 version is called Toolbox, not Finalyser.





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save as... FM 8 Mif

[Alison Craig]

My Language Service Provider (LSP) uses Trados and I use FM9 and there are no 
problems, so this isn't a Trados issue. 

It's likely an LSP issue - when I moved from MS Word 2003 to FM9, I simply told 
my LSP that they needed FM9 - which was brand new at the time. They didn't balk 
in the least. They just upgraded to FM9.


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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 5:07 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Mario Valerio
Subject: Re: save as... FM 8 Mif

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 07:53:45 +0200, Mario Valerio  wrote:

>I'm not expert with Trados, but the agency say me that their specific 
>version of Trados works fine only with mif 8 files.

The *only* way you can make MIF 8 is with Frame 8.

Another good reason to upgrade from FM 9, 10, and 11 to FM8.  I believe Adobe 
now allows that upgrade.  They definitely did under their TLP (Transactional 
Licensing Program), which anyone can use to purchase Frame.

If Trados isn't supporting versions later than 8, that would be a showstopper 
for many users...
but if the agency simply has an older version of Trados, you might need a 
different agency.

Anybody know if Trados does support versions later than MIF 8?

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/
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RE: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10

[Alison Craig]

Joseph:


1.  When you talk about the translator do you mean a professional at an 
LSP (Language Service Provider) or someone in-house who speaks/writes Chinese, 
so you use him/her? If the latter, I don't recommend it. The ability to 
speak/write a language does not a translator make. Following that logic, anyone 
who speaks/writes English, can be an English technical writer - and we all know 
that isn't true.

2.  This is my process for an initial translation. Subsequent translations 
are almost identical but some things like creating Variable files are already 
done (note that my manuals are conditionalized so there are actually 5 manuals 
in one unstructured FM book files (22 separate FM files in this book):

a. Complete manuals

b. Log completed manual into VSS

c. Create a completed manual English Master file folder(s) - different from 
your working folder(s)

d. Accept all Track Changes

e. Create all final PDFs and release English manuals

f.  Keep a copy, by product/condition, of all finished FM files that are 
used to create each PDF

g. Create a new folder(s) for translation (I do this by language as we 
translate into 7 different languages at the moment - we have done up to 17)

h. Copy a writable set of English Master files into the Simplified Chinese 
translation folder(s)

i.   Create Variable files for translation files

j.   Send files to LSP for quote (including request for creation of 
translation Glossary before 1st translation begins. It's also best to have this 
proofed by an in-country expert before beginning the actual translation job.)

k. Authorize translation based on quote

l.   When the job is finished, always get a copy of the Glossary and 
new/updated Translation Memory (TM) so you can change LSPs at your discretion.

m.When you do your 2nd and subsequent rounds of translation, the LSP will 
process the new FM files and the TM with professional tools (like TRADOS) to 
ensure that exact matches, fuzzy matches and repetitions are factored into the 
price and job cycle, ensuring that only new or edited text needs to be 
translated.

This is a quick overview of my process. Some might find steps c and f-h a bit 
of overkill, but as I work with Medical Devices, we have an internal ISO 
release process. We are also constantly applying to new countries for 
Regulatory approval to sell our systems. I have learned the hard way that if I 
cannot recreate on-demand, an exact copy of a specific manual type/release - 
sometimes with new document numbers and languages codes - then things get 
extremely difficult for me. I also need to be able to recreate translated 
manuals with specific changes required by Regulatory bodies (the SFDA in the 
People's Republic of China is particularly demanding)

Hope this helps,

Alison


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:35 AM
To: FrameMaker Forum; tcs-us...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10

Hi all,

I am using unstructured FrameMaker 10. I am documenting a product in English, 
which needs to be translated into Chinese every release. I was curious what 
process people use to do the localization. Here is the process I was thinking 
about using with the existing documentation.

1. there would be two versions of each document. One for english and another 
Chinese. I thought about using the same Framemaker files and conditionalizing 
the text based on language but that seemed awfully messy.
2.place all FM files in SVN so they are source control.
3. for each release, turn on track changes for the English versions.
4. once documentation for the release is complete, commit FM files to SVN.
5. localization person retrieves files from SVN.
6. Using the FM TT toolbar, the translator searches for any changes since the 
last release.
7. For the changes the translator finds, the person goes to the chinese version 
and makes the appropriate updates.
8. I am not sure how to handle changes to screenshots though, so any 
suggestions on that would be helpful.

So what does everyone think about the above process? Is there a better way to 
do this? I can't say that I am crazy about using track changes considering how 
crude and unstable they are (hello framemaker crashes) but they are better than 
nothing.

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini
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RE: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

[Alison Craig]

One of the reasons I never seriously looked at the TCS was because it included 
Photoshop (which I almost never use) but excluded Illustrator (which I use 
frequently). As it couldn't replace my go to program in CS 5, it was a 
non-starter.

As for editing images, even though I have CS 5, most of the time I use Paint 
Shop Pro (≈ $100). Obviously, I have simpler photographic needs than many other 
people.

As for FM11 not being able to reliably print to book, that makes it a 
non-starter for me until that bug is fixed and field tested as I have to print 
to book and distill due to mixed page sizes in one of most important manual 
suites. Besides, having to use a workaround for a simple, obvious and necessary 
thing like printing, reflects very badly on Adobe's testing team.

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:58 AM
To: Gust, Dieter
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

Illustrator is a better choice as a component? Really? Ever try editing 
hundreds of screen snaps for software documentation in Illustrator?
Either it's a significant mistake by the marketing team, or a significant win 
by the marketing team as it greatly increases Photoshop licenses

Art Campbell
  art.campb...@gmail.commailto:art.campb...@gmail.com
  ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.comhttp://www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news 
for Groton MA.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Gust, Dieter 
dieter.g...@itl.eumailto:dieter.g...@itl.eu wrote:
From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

  I must add that I have found another disadvantage to buying TCS4, especially 
 if you are a first-time buyer.
 TCS4 does not include Photoshop, whereas TCS2 does, or did
 I must confess that I find it odd that Adobe and not a single reviewer has 
 mentioned this.
If you really need Photoshop, I understand you.

If you think of typical technical documentation use cases, RoboScreenCapture 
and Illustrator which are  included instead of Photoshop (!!) are the better 
choice. .

 1. One cannot print a book in unstructured FM11.
You refer to a bug, which is really annoying, but printing the book in 
structured mode might be a suitable workaround for the short.
Save the book as PDF file is working in unstructured mode.

 2. Forget about online support.
Why? Online support always is a combination of official Adobe feedback and 
customer feedback from all over the world.
While an official Adobe feedback always will have to take into account side 
effects and therefore must be careful with hastily tips and workarounds, a lot 
of well-known experts in framers are giving fast and valuable feedback to 
almost any problem.

 3. Do without Photoshop.
Most technical documentation use cases don't deal with CMYK  so I think cheap 
software or freeware (Photoshop Elements, IrfanView...) should fulfill the 
demands. For screenshots RoboScreenCapture (which is good) is included in TCS4. 
A lot of customers asked for switching from Photoshop to Illustrator which is 
now included in TCS4.

 4. Forget about timely patches
Why?
The Adobe TCS team is always seeking dedicated contact to TCS customers, and 
while I hate bugs like  a plague Adobe delivers patches as soon as possible. 
O.K. The Adobe team might think about a similar approach like Microsoft in 
order to establish hotfixes beside regular patches.

 As a user of many programs over the years, what I see here is a drastic 
 cutting down of FrameMaker
If you think of licenses I fear you may be right but if you think of the 
commitment of Adobe this has increased from year to year.
But indeed to compete with InDesign and Word the commitment might still be much 
too little.
Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich
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More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

[Alison Craig]

One of the reasons I never seriously looked at the TCS was because it included 
Photoshop (which I almost never use) but excluded Illustrator (which I use 
frequently). As it couldn't replace my go to program in CS 5, it was a 
non-starter.

As for editing images, even though I have CS 5, most of the time I use Paint 
Shop Pro (? $100). Obviously, I have simpler photographic needs than many other 
people.

As for FM11 not being able to reliably print to book, that makes it a 
non-starter for me until that bug is fixed and field tested as I have to print 
to book and distill due to mixed page sizes in one of most important manual 
suites. Besides, having to use a workaround for a simple, obvious and necessary 
thing like printing, reflects very badly on Adobe's testing team.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 5:58 AM
To: Gust, Dieter
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

Illustrator is a better choice as a component? Really? Ever try editing 
hundreds of screen snaps for software documentation in Illustrator?
Either it's a significant mistake by the marketing team, or a significant win 
by the marketing team as it greatly increases Photoshop licenses

Art Campbell
  art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a 
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358

I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news 
for Groton MA.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:59 AM, Gust, Dieter mailto:Dieter.Gust at itl.eu>> wrote:
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob Shell
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: More bad news on TCS4: no longer includes Photoshop

>  I must add that I have found another disadvantage to buying TCS4, especially 
> if you are a first-time buyer.
> TCS4 does not include Photoshop, whereas TCS2 does, or did
> I must confess that I find it odd that Adobe and not a single reviewer has 
> mentioned this.
If you really need Photoshop, I understand you.

If you think of typical technical documentation use cases, RoboScreenCapture 
and Illustrator which are  included instead of Photoshop (!!) are the better 
choice. .

> 1. One cannot print a book in unstructured FM11.
You refer to a bug, which is really annoying, but printing the book in 
structured mode might be a suitable workaround for the short.
Save the book as PDF file is working in unstructured mode.

> 2. Forget about online support.
Why? Online support always is a combination of official Adobe feedback and 
customer feedback from all over the world.
While an official Adobe feedback always will have to take into account side 
effects and therefore must be careful with hastily tips and workarounds, a lot 
of well-known experts in framers are giving fast and valuable feedback to 
almost any problem.

> 3. Do without Photoshop.
Most technical documentation use cases don't deal with CMYK  so I think cheap 
software or freeware (Photoshop Elements, IrfanView...) should fulfill the 
demands. For screenshots RoboScreenCapture (which is good) is included in TCS4. 
A lot of customers asked for switching from Photoshop to Illustrator which is 
now included in TCS4.

> 4. Forget about timely patches
Why?
The Adobe TCS team is always seeking dedicated contact to TCS customers, and 
while "I hate bugs like  a plague" Adobe delivers patches as soon as possible. 
O.K. The Adobe team might think about a similar approach like Microsoft in 
order to establish "hotfixes" beside regular patches.

> As a user of many programs over the years, what I see here is a drastic 
> cutting down of FrameMaker
If you think of licenses I fear you may be right but if you think of the 
commitment of Adobe this has increased from year to year.
But indeed to compete with InDesign and Word the commitment might still be much 
too little.
Dieter Gust
itl AG, Munich
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Localization Process with FrameMaker 10

[Alison Craig]

Joseph:


1.  When you talk about the "translator" do you mean a professional at an 
LSP (Language Service Provider) or someone in-house who speaks/writes Chinese, 
so you use him/her? If the latter, I don't recommend it. The ability to 
speak/write a language does not a translator make. Following that logic, anyone 
who speaks/writes English, can be an English technical writer - and we all know 
that isn't true.

2.  This is my process for an initial translation. Subsequent translations 
are almost identical but some things like creating Variable files are already 
done (note that my manuals are conditionalized so there are actually 5 manuals 
in one unstructured FM book files (22 separate FM files in this book):

a. Complete manuals

b. Log completed manual into VSS

c. Create a completed manual English Master file folder(s) - different from 
your working folder(s)

d. Accept all Track Changes

e. Create all final PDFs and release English manuals

f.  Keep a copy, by product/condition, of all finished FM files that are 
used to create each PDF

g. Create a new folder(s) for translation (I do this by language as we 
translate into 7 different languages at the moment - we have done up to 17)

h. Copy a writable set of English Master files into the Simplified Chinese 
translation folder(s)

i.   Create Variable files for translation files

j.   Send files to LSP for quote (including request for creation of 
translation Glossary before 1st translation begins. It's also best to have this 
proofed by an in-country expert before beginning the actual translation job.)

k. Authorize translation based on quote

l.   When the job is finished, always get a copy of the Glossary and 
new/updated Translation Memory (TM) so you can change LSPs at your discretion.

m.When you do your 2nd and subsequent rounds of translation, the LSP will 
process the new FM files and the TM with professional tools (like TRADOS) to 
ensure that exact matches, fuzzy matches and repetitions are factored into the 
price and job cycle, ensuring that only new or edited text needs to be 
translated.

This is a quick overview of my process. Some might find steps c and f-h a bit 
of overkill, but as I work with Medical Devices, we have an internal ISO 
release process. We are also constantly applying to new countries for 
Regulatory approval to sell our systems. I have learned the hard way that if I 
cannot recreate on-demand, an exact copy of a specific manual type/release - 
sometimes with new document numbers and languages codes - then things get 
extremely difficult for me. I also need to be able to recreate translated 
manuals with specific changes required by Regulatory bodies (the SFDA in the 
People's Republic of China is particularly demanding)

Hope this helps,

Alison


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/>

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lorenzini
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:35 AM
To: FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com
Subject: Localization Process with FrameMaker 10

Hi all,

I am using unstructured FrameMaker 10. I am documenting a product in English, 
which needs to be translated into Chinese every release. I was curious what 
process people use to do the localization. Here is the process I was thinking 
about using with the existing documentation.

1. there would be two versions of each document. One for english and another 
Chinese. I thought about using the same Framemaker files and conditionalizing 
the text based on language but that seemed awfully messy.
2.place all FM files in SVN so they are source control.
3. for each release, turn on track changes for the English versions.
4. once documentation for the release is complete, commit FM files to SVN.
5. localization person retrieves files from SVN.
6. Using the FM TT toolbar, the translator searches for any changes since the 
last release.
7. For the changes the translator finds, the person goes to the chinese version 
and makes the appropriate updates.
8. I am not sure how to handle changes to screenshots though, so any 
suggestions on that would be helpful.

So what does everyone think about the above process? Is there a better way to 
do this? I can't say that I am crazy about using track changes considering how 
crude and unstable they are (hello framemaker crashes) but they are better than 
nothing.

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini
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Is there a video demonstrating Word vs Framemaker?

[Alison Craig]

After reading all the comments on this thread, I have to comment.

First, there is no question that after using Word for more than a decade to 
produce manuals, I prefer Frame, which I?ve been using for the last 3 years.

However, if your employer says he can?t afford Frame, or is one of those 
employers who thinks it?s always cheaper to use the tools you already have ? 
and you?re not trying to Single Source ? then Word can be reasonably effective 
(albeit finicky and arbitrary).

And contrary to all the posts here, cross-references do come through in the PDF 
and TOC links are automatic as well ? I have a whole suite of manuals in our 
Quality System?s History repository to prove this. I also have numerous 
hours/days of experience dealing with renumbering lists to prove that Word can 
also be a big fat pain in the behind.

If you?re already using Frame and your employer wants to regress, or your using 
Word and you need to progress, then follow that script from Scriptorium and 
prove your case. If the audience you have to sell isn?t both Frame and Word 
proficient, you?ll have to hold their hands through a demonstration. As 
Scriptorium says, words just aren?t effective. If they can see the productivity 
gains (add in a single sourcing demo, if applicable), they?ll be convinced.

Alison


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/>

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Doornbos
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:38 AM
To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Is there a video demonstrating Word vs Framemaker?

Dear Framers,

The author of "Word " clearly shows what is possible to do in MS Word.
And, having used Word for over 20 years myself, I'm sure he spent a lot of time 
and effort doing it.

However, not how his overly complex TOC has no hypertext links, because Word's 
cannot generate them automatically.
You have to add them manually links to your PDF after you generate it, which in 
turn takes even more time and effort.

For tech docs, the reader needs correct, complete, and concise information he 
can find quickly.
"Word " not such a document.
And to me, it clearly demonstrates Framemaker's superiority to Word.

Daniel Doornbos
Sr. Technical Communicator
Graphics & Writing
www.graphics-writing.com<http://www.graphics-writing.com>
daniel at graphics-writing.com<mailto:daniel at graphics-writing.com>

On Sep 23, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Wei JIANG [PT-CN] wrote:





 Original Message 
Subject:

Re: Is there a video demonstrating Word vs Framemaker?

Date:

Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:29:06 +0800

From:

Wei JIANG [PT-CN] <mailto:jiangw at 
polytrans.com.cn>

To:

Carol J. Elkins <mailto:celkins at 
awrittenword.com>



Dear Framers,



Many years ago, a programmer and lecturer from Taiwan authored a book -

The Art of Word ? Write and Typeset Large Scale Documents - on how to

typeset in Word in an artist's way. That book - around 400 pages -

explains nearly every aspect of Word that the author found useful while

typesetting his own books. Here is a link to a PDF file which contains 2

sample chapters from that book:

http://jjhou.boolan.com/lsword-20040516-2chaps.pdf . Even if you do not

read Chinese, I guess you can still feel the "professionalism".



Kindest,

Wei Jiang

English<>Chinese Translator and Multilingual DTPer based in Beijing, China



On 9/24/2012 3:35 AM, Carol J. Elkins wrote:

> I think there is so much more to say about a Frame vs Word comparison

> in a video than stability, single-sourcing, and conditional text. I am

> not an advanced Word user, so it is likely that I simply do not know

> how to force Word to do some of the things that Framemaker does so

> simply, but off the top of my head, managing files at the book level;

> cross-references that remain live when converted to PDF; automatic

> index generation; etc. A quick google for Framemaker versus Word will

> bring up a lengthy laundry list of features that could be demonstrated

> side by side in a video. Granted, in most instances, the Word side

> would simply be sitting there looking dumb while the Frame side zipped

> along making our lives easier.

>

> In addition, Scriptorium Publishing outlines a great Frame vs Word

> demo at http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/demo.html

>

> I don't have any video experience, but if I did, I'd make this video

> in a heartbeat because I think it would be a well-viewed, valuable

> resource for Framers. I know Adobe can't do it for legal reasons, but

> it would be great if one of us who DOES have video experience could

> build it.

>

> Carol

>

> At 10:28

RE: Document revision control

[Alison Craig]

I'm a lone writer and have been for most of my writing career, but I've always 
used version control - VSS as it happens.

Our RD department switched to Subversion a couple of years ago, but I didn't 
make the switch with them, at least not yet. I know quite a few people on this 
list use Subversion as well, and have said good things about it.

Alison

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Amy Super
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:01 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Document revision control

Hi there,
Does anyone out there use a revision control system? We are in dire need of it, 
as my company has recently gone up to 3 writers (from 1) and we're afraid of 
overwriting work.

Our document repository is made up of standalone FM docs with linked images, FM 
books with linked images, and a pile of giant old Word docs that have both 
embedded and referenced images.

These are the solutions I know a little about:

*   Perforce - used at my last job, since that's what the developers used. 
I think it has a bit of a steep learning curve for this environment, though, 
given that I had to save my files out as .mif before checking them in. I'm 
hoping for support of binary files instead.

*   SharePoint/TFS - we have it here. But our version of SharePoint is too 
old for FrameMaker to integrate. That means I can't access any linked files 
without checking them all out. Upgrading SharePoint is not happening any time 
soon. I have also read a fair number of unhappy stories on the Adobe forums 
about the FM/SP combination.

*   Subversion - a friend recently installed this at his company, and so 
far it looks promising. Does anyone use it?

*   Documentum - just had a terrible experience trying to get them to 
respond to a live chat. I know it's an option for integrating FM.

Thoughts are greatly appreciated, as I found out today I need to have a 
candidate list ready by Friday.

Thanks!
Amy

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Document revision control

[Alison Craig]

I'm a lone writer and have been for most of my writing career, but I've always 
used version control - VSS as it happens.

Our R department switched to Subversion a couple of years ago, but I didn't 
make the switch with them, at least not yet. I know quite a few people on this 
list use Subversion as well, and have said good things about it.

Alison

Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/>

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Amy Super
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 12:01 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Document revision control

Hi there,
Does anyone out there use a revision control system? We are in dire need of it, 
as my company has recently gone up to 3 writers (from 1) and we're afraid of 
overwriting work.

Our document repository is made up of standalone FM docs with linked images, FM 
books with linked images, and a pile of giant old Word docs that have both 
embedded and referenced images.

These are the solutions I know a little about:

*   Perforce - used at my last job, since that's what the developers used. 
I think it has a bit of a steep learning curve for this environment, though, 
given that I had to save my files out as .mif before checking them in. I'm 
hoping for support of binary files instead.

*   SharePoint/TFS - we have it here. But our version of SharePoint is too 
old for FrameMaker to integrate. That means I can't access any linked files 
without checking them all out. Upgrading SharePoint is not happening any time 
soon. I have also read a fair number of unhappy stories on the Adobe forums 
about the FM/SP combination.

*   Subversion - a friend recently installed this at his company, and so 
far it looks promising. Does anyone use it?

*   Documentum - just had a terrible experience trying to get them to 
respond to a live chat. I know it's an option for integrating FM.

Thoughts are greatly appreciated, as I found out today I need to have a 
candidate list ready by Friday.

Thanks!
Amy

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RE: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree

[Alison Craig]

This kind of feedback is great.

I can't even consider upgrading until this is fixed because I can only use the 
Print Book (PS then distill) option on some of my books as they have mixed 
paper sizes.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.comhttp://www.ultrasonix.com/

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:56 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree

I'm getting the same issue too with a fresh download of TCS4 last week - FM 
11.0.0.380. I created a couple of dummy files based on the Harvard outline 
factory template, then created a new book to include the test files. Saved 
everything, reopened the book and tried to print the book - crashed right away 
when selecting the Print Book command; then tried to print book with all 
files open - crash again; then tried to use Print Selected Files.. command - 
crashed again.

Then I tried a legacy FM test project - upgraded all the files and book to FM 
11, and tried printing book to PDF printer - crashed. Save As PDF works for the 
book and printing individual .fm files to PDF works fine too. Not a 
game-stopper in my workflow, but a bit of an annoyance that will have to get 
fixed fairly soon I think. I'll be sending log files and examples into Adobe 
tech when I get back into my office next week.


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree
Rob...

Nobody is a bit strong. I can print a book to PS from FM11 without trouble. 
When I try to print an earlier version FM book to PS, nothing happens unless I 
open all of the files in that book (no crash, just nothing).

It does appear that there are a number of print to PS/PDF issues that *some* 
people are having. Hopefully, Adobe can replicate these problems and address 
them in a future update.

Be sure to send in your files and exact steps to replicate the crash.

Cheers,

...scott

On 9/20/12 4:03 AM, Rob Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:

If you are thinking of upgrading to FM 11, think again

This is definitely an Adobe TCS4 problem. Please look at the Adobe forums,

six complaints.



What I did:

I created a new book in TCS4 using FM template files book, Index and TOC.

The fresh book crashed as soon as I hit print.

I have miffed

I have huffed

I have puffed

I am now miffed

It is obvious from the Adobe Forums that nobody can print a from FM11 to PS

This is a new and very expensive product, one would expect some elementary

testing of this key function.

Rob Shell







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FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree

[Alison Craig]

This kind of feedback is great.

I can't even consider upgrading until this is fixed because I can only use the 
Print Book (PS then distill) option on some of my books as they have mixed 
paper sizes.


Alison Craig
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com<http://www.ultrasonix.com/>

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree

I'm getting the same issue too with a fresh download of TCS4 last week - FM 
11.0.0.380. I created a couple of dummy files based on the Harvard outline 
factory template, then created a new book to include the test files. Saved 
everything, reopened the book and tried to print the book - crashed right away 
when selecting the "Print Book" command; then tried to print book with all 
files open - crash again; then tried to use "Print Selected Files.." command - 
crashed again.

Then I tried a legacy FM test project - upgraded all the files and book to FM 
11, and tried printing book to PDF printer - crashed. Save As PDF works for the 
book and printing individual .fm files to PDF works fine too. Not a 
game-stopper in my workflow, but a bit of an annoyance that will have to get 
fixed fairly soon I think. I'll be sending log files and examples into Adobe 
tech when I get back into my office next week.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On 
Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree
Rob...

"Nobody" is a bit strong. I can print a book to PS from FM11 without trouble. 
When I try to print an earlier version FM book to PS, nothing happens unless I 
open all of the files in that book (no crash, just nothing).

It does appear that there are a number of print to PS/PDF issues that *some* 
people are having. Hopefully, Adobe can replicate these problems and address 
them in a future update.

Be sure to send in your files and exact steps to replicate the crash.

Cheers,

...scott

On 9/20/12 4:03 AM, Rob Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:

If you are thinking of upgrading to FM 11, think again

This is definitely an Adobe TCS4 problem. Please look at the Adobe forums,

six complaints.



What I did:

I created a new book in TCS4 using FM template files book, Index and TOC.

The fresh book crashed as soon as I hit print.

I have miffed

I have huffed

I have puffed

I am now miffed

It is obvious from the Adobe Forums that nobody can print a from FM11 to PS

This is a new and very expensive product, one would expect some elementary

testing of this key function.

Rob Shell







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RE: Help with unicode and question marks

[Alison Craig]

Stuart:

I noodled around a bit on the net and Myriad Pro doesn't actually seem to be a 
Unicode font. So then I went to Wikipedia 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_fonts#List_of_Unicode_fonts). Myriad Pro 
is not included on their list of Unicode fonts. That isn't necessarily 
definitive, but it certainly meshes with the behavior you're seeing.

I also tried to add a checkmark to one of my own documents that uses Myriad Pro 
and I got precisely the behavior you described. So I'm thinking you need to use 
another font, at least for special characters (who knew a checkmark was 
special?)

Alison


Alison Craig 
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Help with unicode and question marks

FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit

I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document.  The paragraph is 
formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font.  No matter how I try to 
insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as 
unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark.

The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the 
font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003.  Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with 
Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM.  The Hex Input tool correctly 
displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette 
correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box.  But all I get 
is question marks in my document.

What am I missing?

thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Help with unicode and question marks

[Alison Craig]

Stuart:

I noodled around a bit on the net and Myriad Pro doesn't actually seem to be a 
Unicode font. So then I went to Wikipedia 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_fonts#List_of_Unicode_fonts). Myriad Pro 
is not included on their list of Unicode fonts. That isn't necessarily 
definitive, but it certainly meshes with the behavior you're seeing.

I also tried to add a checkmark to one of my own documents that uses Myriad Pro 
and I got precisely the behavior you described. So I'm thinking you need to use 
another font, at least for special characters (who knew a checkmark was 
"special"?)

Alison


Alison Craig?
Technical Documentation Lead

604-279-8550 | fax 604-279-8559 | toll-free 1-866-437-9508
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation | www.ultrasonix.com


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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:32 PM
To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Help with unicode and question marks

FM 10.0.2.419, Win7pro 64-bit

I am trying to enter a checkmark glyph in a .fm document.  The paragraph is 
formatted to use Myriad Pro, which is a unicode font.  No matter how I try to 
insert the glyph (Hex Input, Character Palette, copy and paste special as 
unicode from Word), FM displays only a question mark.

The character appears in the character palette (with Myriad Pro chosen as the 
font) at position x2713 or decimal 10003.  Typing Alt+10003 works in Word (with 
Myriad Pro chosen), but doing so fails in FM.  The Hex Input tool correctly 
displays the character in its ugly little black box; the Character Palette 
correctly displays the character in its really ugly black box.  But all I get 
is question marks in my document.

What am I missing?

thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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RE: FM10 special character

[Alison Craig]

I'm using FM9 so this may not apply, but I had to reinstall earlier this summer 
and for whatever reason, I lost access to the character palette utility.

Some bright soul on the list suggested I update Java as this item is Java based.

I updated and it magically reappeared!

Alison

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Timothy DeWees
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 special character

We upgraded to FM10 this year and now I'm having trouble creating a special 
character.  I'm trying to create a right arrow, as in a chemical equation. (I 
have the special toolbar, but it doesn't include this.) I can't seem to get 
this symbol using the old FM8 method of using a character and applying a 
symbol character tag.  I looked online and it suggests using the character 
palette, but I can't get that to open.  It seems maybe that was in FM9, but not 
included in FM10?  Thanks in advance for any advice!

Tim DeWees
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