Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe

[Gillian Flato]

That’s one of the reasons I switched to Madcap Flare. It’s an exponentially 
better authoring tool.
-GIllian

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 11:20 AM,   wrote:
> 
> I'm working with the latest monthly licence version of Frame at work. 
> 
> My system significantly beats all the Adobe requirements and I *still* get 
> several crashes a week - even though I'm working with small books or single 
> files (which I've taken to doing to protect the integrity of the book).
> 
> Please note that as I also work with MS Word, restarting my system at least 
> twice, if not 3 or 4 times a day is integral to my "work methodology".
> 
> Yet Frame still crashes. Regularly.
> 
> Alison 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On Behalf 
> Of Reng Winfried
> Sent: February 20, 2022 11:01 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
> 
> Hi Betrand,
> 
> Sorry to hear this.
> However:
> o From your other thread I understand that you used and old version.
> Newer versions are definitely more stable.
> o My experience is that Adobe is more responsive than some years ago.
>  The support e-mail address is: mailto:tcs...@adobe.com
>  When you have an issue (e.g. with recovery files), then also post it on the 
> Adobe forum.
>  There are a few Adobe employees who follow the discussions.
>  Your issue might get more attention.
>  And post your issue on the Adobe Tracker:
>  https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
>  On 
> Behalf Of Bertrand Meyer
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2022 4:32 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 
> 
> Cc: mailto:me...@inf.ethz.ch
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
> 
> This is an old thread but here is a comment. I fundamentally rely on 
> FrameMaker and would never "bash" it. On the other hand, right now at the end 
> of a two-year book-writing process, with the camera-ready due on Monday, I 
> got a crash this afternoon. Not the first -- in my experience, if I am 
> working on a book a FrameMaker session does not last more than three or four 
> days before it vanishes  --  but possibly the worst ever. The supposed 
> recovery files were corrupted; just to restart from the backup to a stable 
> state took almost two hours. I do back up obsessively (as I have been burned 
> many times before), but still. And when you are in delicate fine-tuning, 
> typo-fixing and final indexing mode, working over several chapters at once, 
> going through every recent change to see which were kept and which were lost, 
> is a nightmare. 
> 
> One might imagine that by this time they would have either fixed the crashes 
> or devised a decent recovery mechanism.
> 
> There is still nothing that measures up to FrameMaker for writing books with 
> a sophisticated structure, but if it did respect the integrity of customers' 
> work that wouldn't hurt.
> 
> -- Bertrand Meyer
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+bertrand.meyer=inf.ethz...@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:00
> To: Framers List 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
> 
> I don't know why everyone likes bashing FrameMaker.
> 
> Is there anything else that:
>  Is suitable for long books.
>  Gives you PDF output as is appears while you are working (WYSIWYG).
>  Can be converted to online help, (even if it requires buying an extra 
> program).
> 
> FM happens to have online help conversion built-in, but I could live without 
> that if that was another decent authoring tool that worked together with 
> another decently priced conversion tool.
> 
> Word comes close to checking all those boxes, but has problems with large 
> files and other issues.
> 
> Someone mention another page layout program recently, but I forgot what it 
> was. Maybe it was Xara Page & Layout Designer. But can it do online help at 
> all?
> 
> Please post if you know of another authoring tool that is excellent for PDFs 
> and can be used for online help.
> 
> My biggest gripe with FM is the price, but you know what, you really don't 
> need to buy every new version that comes out. Do you buy every new smartphone 
> that comes out, or wait until you need a new phone? Anyone under 20 is 
> excluded from answering that question :)
> 
> --
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 058-763-7133 
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Re: [Framers] Frame vs InDesign

[Gillian Flato]

Frank,

InDesign is for fluffy, glossy, shiny marketing slicks. Frame is a workhorse 
for Tech Pubs. 

I suggest that you make a table:

| Feature   | Frame | InDesign  | Purpose
-
Conditional Text   |  X |   | Required for 
write once, publish many
Variables   |  X ||  
Enhances consistency and accuracy
etc.

Lay it out for them. List all of the features that you require and which 
software contains the feature. Also explain what the feature is for.

Good Luck,

-Gillian 

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 3:28 PM, Frank Ripp  wrote:
> 
> New management is pushing for the overall use of InDesign for marketing 
> collateral and technical documentation at my company.
> I'm a long time Frame user, producing a set of software documentation ranging 
> from release notes, installation guides, API guides, and a 160-page user 
> guide. All are delivered as PDF files.
> 
> I've been asked to figure out whether or not InDesign will fit my 
> documentation needs, and have many questions.
> 
> 
>  *   Most importantly: Can InDesign generate good PDF files, with working 
> links?
>  *   Is InDesign good for large documents (100-160 pages), with TOCs, and 
> lots of internal and external cross-references?
>  *   Can I transfer my existing paragraph and character styles from Frame to 
> InDesign?
>  *   Can I import a Frame book into InDesign?
> 
> Has anyone out there successfully switched from Frame to Indesign?
> Is this a non-starter for the type of documents I produce?
> 
> Any advice, thoughts or pointers are greatly appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank Ripp
> SR. Technical Writer
> Pacific Biosciences
> 1305 O'Brien Drive,
> Menlo Park, CA 94025
> (650) 521-8315
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Re: [Framers] How would you approach this? Listing New Stuff

[Gillian Flato]

Create a condition for the new stuff. 
Tag everything that’s new with the condition. 
Make it a color, like black lettering on a yellow background. 
Give the SMEs the doc with the conditions on and color showing. 

Then they just have to go through the guide and only read what’s highlighted 
with the condition.

-Gillian

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
> 
> If a List of Effective Pages is workable, Silicon Prairie Software makes an 
> LEP plugin that might help:
> https://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 2/17/2020 11:09 AM, Peter Gold wrote:
>> Would the List of Effective Pages help? A web search gave some results.
>> 
>> O
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Re: [Framers] TOC Formatting Problem

[Gillian Flato]

Brian,

Look in the reference pages. That’s what governs the TOC. Make sure the TOC 
settings for the left and right page are set the same. Also, make sure they are 
using the same paragraph formats.

-Gillian

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 3:55 PM, Brian Webb  wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon:
> 
> I am creating a technical manual and I have a formatting problem with the 
> table of contents.
> 
> The first and third pages are correctly formatted with the headings on the 
> left, strings of periods, and the page numbers on the right. The odd pages 
> look like this:
> 
>   1.2 Installation Prerequisites  1-3
> 
> However, the second and fourth pages are not correctly formatted. They lack 
> strings of periods between the section names and the page numbers. The page 
> numbers are also not on the right side of the page. The even pages look like 
> this:
> 
>   7.4 Database Extents7-10
> 
> How do I make the even-numbered pages use the same formatting as the 
> odd-numbered pages?
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Re: [Framers] Spell checker stopped working in Frame 2017

[Gillian Flato]

Mike,

I tried that, but when I close the dialog box, it sets it back to Clear 
Automatic Corrections.

-Gillian
> On March 8, 2019 at 12:03 PM Mike Wickham  wrote:
> 
> 
> Have you tried selecting the Dictionaries button in the spelling checker 
> window, and then selecting the "Mark All Paragraphs for Rechecking" 
> check box? From help:
> 
> "FrameMaker rechecks only paragraphs that have been edited since the 
> previous check. If you change options after spell-checking a document, 
> consider running the Spelling Checker again after instructing FrameMaker 
> to mark all paragraphs for rechecking."
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 3/8/2019 12:39 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:
> > My spell checker has stopped working. It no longer finds any spelling 
> > mistakes, even when the file contains them. I reinstalled and it didn’t fix 
> > the problem. Any suggestions? How do I fix this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Gillian
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[Framers] Spell checker stopped working in Frame 2017

[Gillian Flato]

My spell checker has stopped working. It no longer finds any spelling mistakes, 
even when the file contains them. I reinstalled and it didn’t fix the problem. 
Any suggestions? How do I fix this?

Thanks,
-Gillian
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Re: [Framers] Unable again to "Save as PDF"

[Gillian Flato]

Can you print to a PS file and then distill it?

-Gillian

> On Sep 6, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Austin Meredith  wrote:
> 
>   We had updated to the latest Adobe FM (before FM19), and updated to the
>   latest Adobe Acrobat DC, and updated to the latest Microsoft Windows10
>   version, and we had again been successfully generating PDFs. Wow!
> 
>   But that was last month. Now suddenly our setup will no longer generate
>   PDFs. We are suddenly right back to where we were before that Windows10
>   kerfuffle. The PDFs suddenly don't generate. Everything that had been
>   fixed has suddenly become again unfixed!
> 
>   Does anyone understand what has happened?
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[Framers] Numbered headings in TOC

[Gillian Flato]

My headings throughout my guide are numbered. I want the numbering to reflect 
in the TOC. I have the numbering working after the chapter number but not for 
the chapter number. 

So what I mean is that in the TOC I have the following:

1  Chapter 1
1.1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1.1 Heading 3

2 Chapter 2
1.1 Heading 1
1.1.1 Heading 2
1.1.1.1 Heading 3

So within each chapter in the guide, the numbering is perfect but in the TOC, 
it doesn’t recognize the proper chapter number.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Gillian
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Re: [Framers] Mapping Styles in FrameMaker

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks everyone! Knew I could count on you guys for the answer.

-Gillian


> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> I don't know how you could use MIF2Go for that. Also, I used it for
> years and was rarely able to get it to do anything new without support
> from Jeremy.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:10 PM, quills  wrote:
>> The old MIF2GO would do that. The developer passed in 2014 and the program 
>> is now freeware. I don't think it is updated any more. Give it a look though.
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Re: [Framers] Document comparison whole book at a time

[Gillian Flato]

File > Utilities > Compare Books.
-Gillian
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 8:06 AM, John Posada  wrote:
> 
> Hi, guys...I want to compare a current complete book to a prior version of
> the book. It seems I have to do it file by file. Is there a way of
> comparing a book with a previous book and have all the content compared and
> change-bar'd?
> 
> FM V11
> 
> Thanks
> 
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[Framers] TCS 2017 Upgrade

[Gillian Flato]

The most recent TCS 2017 upgrade fixes the import FrameMaker bug that was 
happening in Robohelp, so do the update if you need that fix. I did it today 
and can confirm the bug is gone.

Thanks,
Gillian
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[Framers] Frame Help files

[Gillian Flato]

Now that we can publish help from within FrameMaker, what do we need Robohelp 
for?

-Gillian
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

[Gillian Flato]

Cool, I will try that. I’ve been using DITA for 4 years so coming back to 
unstructured Frame, I’m not up on all of the latest features.

-Gillian
> On Apr 5, 2017, at 5:01 AM, Rick Quatro <r...@rickquatro.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gillian,
> 
> Depending on your FrameMaker version: File > Publish and then choose 
> Microsoft HTML Help.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-366-4017
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
> Of Gillian Flato
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 1:12 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3
> 
> Matt,
> 
> How do you make a help file from FrameMaker? I link into Robohelp and then 
> create help. As far as I know, Frame has no way to make help file. (Realize 
> that we’re using unstructured Frame, not structured.)
> 
> -Gillian
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 12:25 PM, techcommtools.com <m...@techcommtools.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

[Gillian Flato]

Matt,

How do you make a help file from FrameMaker? I link into Robohelp and then 
create help. As far as I know, Frame has no way to make help file. (Realize 
that we’re using unstructured Frame, not structured.)

-Gillian

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 12:25 PM, techcommtools.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi

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Re: [Framers] TCS 2017

[Gillian Flato]

Matt,

Do you still have Frame 2015 loaded on your system? They said that having 15 on 
your system is the current work-around.

Thanks,
Gillian
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 9:22 AM, techcommtools.com  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gillian,
> 
> Linking is working for me, using 
> Fm 14.0.0.361 and
> Rh 13.0.0.255
> 
> Here’s a screenshot:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8x6hx0d3q77ni9y/Screenshot%202017-04-03%2009.13.04.png?dl=0
>  
> 
> 
> Question: Have you tried creating a new Fm 2017 file and linking to a new Rh 
> 2017 Project?
> 
> In my case, I was able to link my updated Fm 2015 file to my new Rh 2017 
> project. However, I’ve seen cases where the updated Rh project doesn’t behave 
> properly. 
> 
> I suggest you create a new Rh project and import your previous assets, 
> including the linked Fm project. I’ve had good success with this approach, 
> and it only took an hour or two to complete.
> -Matt
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[Framers] TCS Suite 2017 - MAJOR BUG

[Gillian Flato]

I opened up Robohelp in TCS 2017 to import my Frame book and chapter 
files and create a help file. When I tried importing or linking my Frame files, 
I got an error message saying that Frame was not installed. Obviously it was, 
they both installed with the TCS installation. I searched on Adobe forums and 
found that others were having this problem too. Adobe’s temporary solution is 
to reinstall Frame 2015 on your system. They claim they’ll have a bug fix out 
next month.

How did Adobe QA miss this? This is a critical, show stopper bug. How the hell 
did they not catch this? 

Unbelievable.

-Gillian
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Re: [Framers] Import AutoCad dwg files

[Gillian Flato]

I think you can export it as a U3D file and import that. It’s been awhile but I 
remember doing that years ago when my SME’s used Autocad.

-Gillian
> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:16 AM, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Well, AutoCad (DWG) is in the list of file formats in the Import dialog, so
> I suppose Frame should be able to import it.
> Our current workaround is to export the AutoCad drawings to PDF and import
> PDF, which works nicely.
> 
> Y
> 
> On 17 August 2016 at 11:46, Shmuel Wolfson  > wrote:
> 
>> Is frame supposed to be able to import that format?
>> One option is to open it in CorelDraw and save it as CorelDraw.
>> 
>> --
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>> Technical Writer
>> 058-763-7133
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17-Aug-16 11:48 AM, Yves Barbion wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi group
>>> 
>>> Has anyone ever succeeded in importing AutoCad .dwg files into FrameMaker?
>>> I've tested this with several versions of dwg files (2000 and 2010) and
>>> Frame 11 and 12, but I keep getting the error message "The filter
>>> encountered an error and could not complete the translation".
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Request for Spanish Translators

[Gillian Flato]

Rick,

Use Multiling http://www.multiling.com/   Go with a 
real translation vendor so you get a quality translation.

-Gillian
> On Aug 10, 2016, at 5:45 PM, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> 
> Hi Framers,
> 
> I have a client with some unstructured FrameMaker documents that need to be
> translated into Spanish for use in Cuba. I would appreciate any
> recommendations of good translation companies that I can pass onto my
> client. Thank you.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
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Re: Flare vs DITA

[Gillian Flato]

I have used unstructured Frame for 15 years. I am an advanced user.

I have used DITA for 3 with Oxygen. We outsourced writing our scripts.

Now I have to decide if I want to use Frame unstructured or structured for a 
new project. There are no legacy docs. 

-Gillian


 On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 
 If you DON'T have FrameMaker or aren't familiar with using it to
 author DITA, and aren't chained to DITA, Flare would probably be way,
 way easier.
 
 There's probably some set of requirements where structured FrameMaker
 would be the best and/or most cost-effective tool for the job these
 days, but it's hard for me to imagine what that would be.
 
 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Shmuel shmue...@gmail.com wrote:
 Flare vs. Frame with DITA-FMx sounds like a toss-up. I assume you are
 familiar with Frame, since you are asking on this list, so why start with
 something new?

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Re: Flare vs DITA

[Gillian Flato]

Yes, those are the scripts I am talking about.

-Gillian
 On Apr 14, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:
 
 Art, Gillian is probably referring to XSL-FO scripts which need to be 
 customized to get the PDF output you want. 
  
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:39 PM
 To: Gillian Flato
 Cc: Framers
 Subject: Re: Flare vs DITA
  
 Gillian, when you were talking about scripts... Could you fill us in on what 
 they do and why they're required?
 I've never seen a DITA project (other than legacy ports) that required 
 scripting, and am just curious about how they're used.
  
 Art
 
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 On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Gillian Flato gill6...@comcast.net 
 mailto:gill6...@comcast.net wrote:
 I have used unstructured Frame for 15 years. I am an advanced user.
 
 I have used DITA for 3 with Oxygen. We outsourced writing our scripts.
 
 Now I have to decide if I want to use Frame unstructured or structured for a 
 new project. There are no legacy docs.
 
 -Gillian
 
 
  On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com 
  mailto:rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 
  If you DON'T have FrameMaker or aren't familiar with using it to
  author DITA, and aren't chained to DITA, Flare would probably be way,
  way easier.
 
  There's probably some set of requirements where structured FrameMaker
  would be the best and/or most cost-effective tool for the job these
  days, but it's hard for me to imagine what that would be.
 
  On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Shmuel shmue...@gmail.com 
  mailto:shmue...@gmail.com wrote:
  Flare vs. Frame with DITA-FMx sounds like a toss-up. I assume you are
  familiar with Frame, since you are asking on this list, so why start with
  something new?
 
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Re: Flare vs DITA

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks everyone.

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’ve used DITA for about two years authoring with Oxygen 
and EasyDITA. I outsourced my script writing to a third party. That’s the 
problem with DITA. To get the docs and help to look professional, you have to 
outsource script writing and that’s expensive. 

I was looking for cheaper alternatives. I have used DITA-FMx and I may go that 
route.

I just wanted to know of Flare was a better alternative to structured Frame 
with DITA-FMx

Thanks
Gillian


 On Apr 13, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 
 You can write topics with any tool, but Flare sort of forces you to,
 since the source is one file per topic (at least down to some heading
 level).
 
 Flare templates are extremely customizable.
 
 On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Gillian Flato gill6...@comcast.net wrote:
 How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems like you get all of the advantages 
 of topic-baesd authoring, without having to have someone write scripts for 
 you. Has anyone tried modifying their templates? How easy or difficult is 
 that. How is their help file making product?

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Flare vs DITA

[Gillian Flato]

How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems like you get all of the advantages of 
topic-baesd authoring, without having to have someone write scripts for you. 
Has anyone tried modifying their templates? How easy or difficult is that. How 
is their help file making product?

Thanks
Gillian
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Page count even or no

[Gillian Flato]

Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even number 
of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and hardly anyone 
prints a manual anymore?


Thanks!

Gillian Flato
Technical Publications
Pi-Coral, Inc.
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Printing from help

[Gillian Flato]

Is anyone else having an issue, in Frame 12, where you try to print some help 
files and it either doesn’t print, or it only prints a small part of the page?

Thanks!

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Re: Tech Comm Suite 5

[Gillian Flato]

Cool. Thanks!

-Gillian

On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:10 AM, Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com 
wrote:

 Did you happen to see Bernie’s guest post about FM  XMl/DITA? - 
 http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2014/11/xml-authoring-made-easy-not-for-geeks-anymore.html
  
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato
 Sent: November-20-14 7:37 PM
 To: Scott Prentice
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Tech Comm Suite 5
  
 Thanks, appreciate the help and info.
  
 -Gillian
  
  
 On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi Gillian...
 
 You may want to post this question to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group for 
 additional info.
 
 1) There are no DITA publishing scripts in FM. To generate a PDF you save 
 the map to a book file (with FM chapter files), then save the book to a PDF. 
 The formatting of the generated FM files is controlled by the structure 
 application(s). Customizing the structure applications is far more complex 
 than can be explained in an email, but that's where you'll need to look. Note 
 that there is no difference between DITA authored in Oxygen or FM .. if it's 
 valid DITA, it's just DITA. Some people think that DITA in FM isn't pure 
 DITA .. it should be, and if it's not, it's not DITA.
 
 note type=vendor-commentDITA-FMx provides a much easier path to 
 publishing and customizing than you'll get with default FM, and can be fully 
 automated with additional tools./note
 
 2) It depends on what you're trying to do. Here's the official list, the mode 
 of connection to FM and the effectiveness of these CMSes can be debated ..
 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/cms-integration.html
 
 note type=vendor-commentDITA-FMx connects to the XDocs CMS, which is I 
 believe the lowest-cost CMS on the list. We are in the process of working on 
 a connector with easyDITA as well./note
 
 3) It depends on how consistently tagged your FM files are. If your FM files 
 are a mess it's going to be really hard .. if your FM files are really 
 clean, it's going to be just reasonably hard. The sample files and webinar on 
 this page may be of some use ..
 
 http://leximation.com/downloads/adobe-fm2xml-2013/
 
 Cheers,
 
 ...scott
 
 
 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892
  
 On 11/20/14 11:35 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:
 Guys,
  
 I am considering using Tech Comm Suite 5 for a project. I have some questions 
 which I know you guys can answer better than Adobe:
  
 1. How do you edit the publishing scripts to make custom-designed PDFs? Is it 
 the same as with Oxygen and “pure” DITA? I have edited custom plugins that I 
 used with Oxygen. 
  
 2. What’s a good, relatively low-cost CMS to use with Tech Comm Suite 5?
  
 3. How easy is it to convert unstructured Frame docs to DITA docs to be used 
 in Frame?
  
 Thanks!
  
 -Gillian
  
  
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Tech Comm Suite 5

[Gillian Flato]

Guys,

I am considering using Tech Comm Suite 5 for a project. I have some questions 
which I know you guys can answer better than Adobe:

1. How do you edit the publishing scripts to make custom-designed PDFs? Is it 
the same as with Oxygen and “pure” DITA? I have edited custom plugins that I 
used with Oxygen. 

2. What’s a good, relatively low-cost CMS to use with Tech Comm Suite 5?

3. How easy is it to convert unstructured Frame docs to DITA docs to be used in 
Frame?

Thanks!

-Gillian
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Re: Tech Comm Suite 5

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks, appreciate the help and info.

-Gillian


On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:

 Hi Gillian...
 
 You may want to post this question to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group for 
 additional info.
 
 1) There are no DITA publishing scripts in FM. To generate a PDF you save 
 the map to a book file (with FM chapter files), then save the book to a PDF. 
 The formatting of the generated FM files is controlled by the structure 
 application(s). Customizing the structure applications is far more complex 
 than can be explained in an email, but that's where you'll need to look. Note 
 that there is no difference between DITA authored in Oxygen or FM .. if it's 
 valid DITA, it's just DITA. Some people think that DITA in FM isn't pure 
 DITA .. it should be, and if it's not, it's not DITA.
 
 note type=vendor-commentDITA-FMx provides a much easier path to 
 publishing and customizing than you'll get with default FM, and can be fully 
 automated with additional tools./note
 
 2) It depends on what you're trying to do. Here's the official list, the mode 
 of connection to FM and the effectiveness of these CMSes can be debated ..
 
 http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/cms-integration.html
 
 note type=vendor-commentDITA-FMx connects to the XDocs CMS, which is I 
 believe the lowest-cost CMS on the list. We are in the process of working on 
 a connector with easyDITA as well./note
 
 3) It depends on how consistently tagged your FM files are. If your FM files 
 are a mess it's going to be really hard .. if your FM files are really 
 clean, it's going to be just reasonably hard. The sample files and webinar on 
 this page may be of some use ..
 
 http://leximation.com/downloads/adobe-fm2xml-2013/
 
 Cheers,
 
 ...scott
 
 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892
 
 On 11/20/14 11:35 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:
 Guys,
 
 I am considering using Tech Comm Suite 5 for a project. I have some 
 questions which I know you guys can answer better than Adobe:
 
 1. How do you edit the publishing scripts to make custom-designed PDFs? Is 
 it the same as with Oxygen and “pure” DITA? I have edited custom plugins 
 that I used with Oxygen. 
 
 2. What’s a good, relatively low-cost CMS to use with Tech Comm Suite 5?
 
 3. How easy is it to convert unstructured Frame docs to DITA docs to be used 
 in Frame?
 
 Thanks!
 
 -Gillian
 
 
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Re: Structured FrameMaker consultant

[Gillian Flato]

Kevin,

Tom Aldous has a company that does just that. Contact him @ 
tom.ald...@acrolinx.com. Although he's working for Acrolinx right now, his wife 
and daughter still run the Frame consultant company.

-Gillian


On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Kevin Farwell kev...@dimcom.net wrote:

 Hello,
 
 I'm looking for someone to provide occasional help with structured FrameMaker 
 projects. The work is spotty, but when a project comes in, it must be 
 executed quickly. This is localization work, which explains the spottiness of 
 the work and the attention it demands.
 
 The broad details:
 
 Living in the the Denver, CO area would be nice, but not necessary.
 
 Language skills would be helpful, but not necessary.
 
 The ability to stay cool in the face of unusual task requirements is 
 necessary.
 
 This is mostly a consulting role, but every once in a while formatting is 
 required.
 
 Training staff members or clients might be required.
 
 That's about it. Please respond off list to get further details.
 
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Structured FrameMaker consultant

[Gillian Flato]

Kevin,

Tom Aldous has a company that does just that. Contact him @ Tom.aldous at 
acrolinx.com. Although he's working for Acrolinx right now, his wife and 
daughter still run the Frame consultant company.

-Gillian


On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Kevin Farwell  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for someone to provide occasional help with structured FrameMaker 
> projects. The work is spotty, but when a project comes in, it must be 
> executed quickly. This is localization work, which explains the spottiness of 
> the work and the attention it demands.
> 
> The broad details:
> 
> Living in the the Denver, CO area would be nice, but not necessary.
> 
> Language skills would be helpful, but not necessary.
> 
> The ability to stay cool in the face of unusual task requirements is 
> necessary.
> 
> This is mostly a consulting role, but every once in a while formatting is 
> required.
> 
> Training staff members or clients might be required.
> 
> That's about it. Please respond off list to get further details.
> 
> Kevin
> 
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Consultants to convert from unstructured Frame to DITA

[Gillian Flato]

Does anyone know of any consultants or companies that will convert a company 
from unstructured Frame to DITA, using structured Frame. Meaning, create 
conversion tables, DTDs, EDDs, etc.

Thanks,
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Does anyone know of any consultants or companies that will convert a company 
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RE: Translating FM files into Japanese

[Gillian Flato]

Stephen,

Trados format is simply saving the files, in Frame, to RTF or MIF. Both formats 
can be imported to Trados. What he could be charging you for is desktop 
publishing. After he translates the content, he will have to massage it to look 
good in Frame. Japanese characters are extremely different than English so they 
take up different spaces on a page and have a different orientation.

Rather than hire one individual,  I would recommend hiring a professional 
translation vendor. I think you'll get a better price and higher quality than 
from an individual. A translation vendor usually has a QA team with linguists 
on it who will proofread the translation before it gets back to you.

-Gillian

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Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
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Translating FM files into Japanese

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Stephen,

Trados format is simply saving the files, in Frame, to RTF or MIF. Both formats 
can be imported to Trados. What he could be charging you for is desktop 
publishing. After he translates the content, he will have to massage it to look 
good in Frame. Japanese characters are extremely different than English so they 
take up different spaces on a page and have a different orientation.

Rather than hire one individual,  I would recommend hiring a professional 
translation vendor. I think you'll get a better price and higher quality than 
from an individual. A translation vendor usually has a QA team with linguists 
on it who will proofread the translation before it gets back to you.

-Gillian

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:16 AM
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
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Setting up Structured Frame 11 for DITA from scratch

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I am setting up  Structured Frame 11 for DITA from scratch. Does anyone know of 
any really good tutorials, cheat sheets, info, etc., on how to do this 
properly? (Besides the help files)

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I am setting up  Structured Frame 11 for DITA from scratch. Does anyone know of 
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RE: FM10 help broken?

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Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
-Gillian

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig Ede
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:25 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: FM10 help broken?

As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download the 
help file as a PDF (it makes a  great user manual, btw). Since the PDF has the 
revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new revision is 
released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help  Help Topics and searched for change bars with This 
reference only selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and space 
with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/search/index.cfm?cat=supportterm=%2522change%2
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RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

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Isn't that what MadCap tried to do?

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Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I raise my hand ... :)

Now ... who is responsible for getting funding?

Z

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Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with 
me? Anyone? Anyone?

*crickets chirp*

=D

Nadine


- Original Message -
 From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Cc: 
 Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
 Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
T his is troubling, and so one message is buy the CS software on 
CD/DVD  while you still can. A number of my friends, most connected 
with academic  institutions, are doing that.
 
 I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as 
 regards these applications so that one set of help files defines the 
 current state
 of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes 
 when using the product. However, it requires a constant state of 
 reeducation as new features are added and different ways of handling things 
 are introduced.
 Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know 
 if we do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way 
 that we already are familiar with.
 
 As for extending this the current version of the app beyond the 
 bounds of the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that 
 anytime soon. If they have their finger on the pulse of their users 
 they must realized that, for instance, in the medical device industry, 
 all tools used to produce documentation must be validated. It would be 
 impossible  (and expensive!) to validate a moving target as the apps 
 were continually being improved and the former version made 
 unavailable.
 
 Craig Ede
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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
 Rickaby
 Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
 only
 
 I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
 future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
 
 I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
 Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
 thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it
 - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as 
 soon as you stop paying for it.
 
 For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
 Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
 sure about the future, though.
 
 --
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RE: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

[Gillian Flato]

You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. You CAN download VMWare Fusion, 
create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That's 
how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ!

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:47 PM
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Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to 
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know 
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have 
Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives 
me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I 
have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an 
Explorer window.

Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, 
Windows XP.

Cross-posted this to the FrameMaker LinkedIn page too.

Thanks!
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FM10 help broken?

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Craig,
How do you download the help as a PDF?
-Gillian

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:25 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FW: FM10 help broken?

As a fallback option to online help, it's probably a good idea to download the 
help file as a PDF (it makes a  great user manual, btw). Since the PDF has the 
revision date in the footer you can update your version if a new revision is 
released. Such a search should be easy in the PDF.

Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM10 help broken?

Did Adobe change something on their web site that broke FM10 help?
Maybe it's not just FM10?

I just did Help > Help Topics and searched for "change bars" with "This 
reference only" selected. Cold Fusion or whatever replaced the quotes and space 
with escaped HTML and the search found no results.

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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[Gillian Flato]

Isn't that what MadCap tried to do?

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lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
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Subject: RE: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I raise my hand ... :)

Now ... who is responsible for getting funding?

Z

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To: craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I say we start a new company and create a competitor to FrameMaker! Who's with 
me? Anyone? Anyone?

*crickets chirp*

=D

Nadine


- Original Message -
> From: Craig Ede 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2013 1:24:36 PM
> Subject: FW: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
> only
> 
>T his is troubling, and so one message is "buy the CS software on 
>CD/DVD  while you still can." A number of my friends, most connected 
>with academic  institutions, are doing that.
> 
> I expect Adobe is attempting to have everyone on the same page as 
> regards these applications so that one set of help files defines the 
> "current state"
> of an application. This would help a lot in terms of expected outcomes 
> when using the product. However, it requires a constant state of 
> reeducation as new features are added and different ways of handling things 
> are introduced.
> Not that we don't have to deal with this already, but at least we know 
> if we do something in a given version, it is going to work in a way 
> that we already are familiar with.
> 
> As for extending this "the current version of the app" beyond the 
> bounds of the Creative Suite, I rather doubt that Adobe will do that 
> anytime soon. If they have their finger on the pulse of their users 
> they must realized that, for instance, in the medical device industry, 
> all tools used to produce documentation must be validated. It would be 
> impossible? (and expensive!) to validate a moving target as the apps 
> were continually being improved and the former version made 
> unavailable.
> 
> Craig Ede
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Rickaby
> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:38 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription 
> only
> 
> I have just heard a rumor that the CS Suite is going to available in 
> future only on an SaaS basis, by subscription. TCS/FrameMaker could follow?
> 
> I do wonder whether the accountants that run large corporates like 
> Adobe understand how important their software is to the countless 
> thousands of freelances who have to scrape every last penny to buy it
> - but at least then they own something, not vapor that goes phut as 
> soon as you stop paying for it.
> 
> For the last two decades FrameMaker, Illustrator, Acrobat and 
> Dreamweaver have been the rocks underpinning what I do. I'm far less 
> sure about the future, though.
> 
> --
> Steve [somewhat aghast]
> 
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Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

[Gillian Flato]

You cannot run Frame 11 directly on a Mac. You CAN download VMWare Fusion, 
create a Windows VM on the MAC and install Frame 11 on the Windows VM. That's 
how my MAC is set up. VMWare Fusion works like a champ!

-Gillian

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Subject: Frame 11 on MacBook Pro?

Hi, all-

Is anyone else running Frame 11 on a MacBook Pro? If so, how did you get it to 
install? I am having trouble. I used to run Frame 7 on my old MacBook, so know 
it has worked in the past. I was able to download the trial version and have 
Parallels running. However when I install, it gets about 40% complete and gives 
me an error about a file not extracting properly from the archive and quits. I 
have tried re-downloading multiple times. I've tried moving all the files to an 
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Any other ideas? Please don't say move to a PC - that isn't happening. New Mac, 
Windows XP.

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Thanks!
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RE: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

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Carol,

 I googled DRM Management PDF and found this: 
http://www.locklizard.com/pdf_security.htm?gclid=CJmi3pXFgrcCFYN7QgodIxIAmg

http://www.drumlinsecurity.com/

-Gillian

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Subject: RE: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

Hi Alison,

So far, the only response has been from someone who uses LiveCycle Designer for 
forms but has no experience with it for ecommerce. Like you, I use Acrobat 
security for PDFs to prevent changing the docs or copying the content to 
clipboard, but it cannot prevent copying the entire file. For instance, Company 
Z has in the past purchased 200 PDF versions of a book of regulatory standards. 
My client wants to prevent Company Z from simply making copies of the PDF 
instead of buying all 200 copies. Multiply that by thousands of ecommerce 
customers to understand the potential revenue that can be lost.

My client also wants to begin selling individual standards in addition to books 
of standards, much like IEEE does with its Xplore Digital Library Subscription 
Service 
(http://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/subscriptions/ieee_standards_online_subscription_information.pdf).
 
I have no clue where to begin to research how to accomplish the DRM for this, 
but I know it is not something in a Technical Writer's general tool kit. 
Several years ago I read about dongles, encryption, and password management 
systems, but from a user's perspective they are a burden. I want to find a 
resource/service that makes it easy to purchase and download a PDF and 
hard/impossible to copy the PDF. 
Minimally, I'd like to be able to tell my client how other companies do this; 
if it is impossible to protect the PDF, then at least he'll know he's in good 
company.

If anyone knows of other solutions to accomplish this, I'd appreciate your 
insight. I'm treading way outside my skillset here but would like to be able to 
give my client some basic direction. I wanted to ask fellow Framers first; then 
I'll move on to the LiveCycle forum or whatever direction you folks point me in.

Carol

At 03:21 PM 5/6/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
I think that's an excellent question. Could you post answers on-list or 
forward copies to me?

Right now I just use standard Adobe Acrobat security for my Frame 
generated PDFs (I need printable and digital manuals for the Medical 
Device industry). But we all know how easy that is to crack.

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[Gillian Flato]

Carol,

 I googled "DRM Management PDF" and found this: 
http://www.locklizard.com/pdf_security.htm?gclid=CJmi3pXFgrcCFYN7QgodIxIAmg

http://www.drumlinsecurity.com/

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 3:26 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: how do people copy-protect their PDFs?

Hi Alison,

So far, the only response has been from someone who uses LiveCycle Designer for 
forms but has no experience with it for ecommerce. Like you, I use Acrobat 
security for PDFs to prevent changing the docs or copying the content to 
clipboard, but it cannot prevent copying the entire file. For instance, Company 
Z has in the past purchased 200 PDF versions of a book of regulatory standards. 
My client wants to prevent Company Z from simply making copies of the PDF 
instead of buying all 200 copies. Multiply that by thousands of ecommerce 
customers to understand the potential revenue that can be lost.

My client also wants to begin selling individual standards in addition to books 
of standards, much like IEEE does with its Xplore Digital Library Subscription 
Service 
(http://www.ieee.org/publications_standards/publications/subscriptions/ieee_standards_online_subscription_information.pdf).
 
I have no clue where to begin to research how to accomplish the DRM for this, 
but I know it is not something in a Technical Writer's general tool kit. 
Several years ago I read about dongles, encryption, and password management 
systems, but from a user's perspective they are a burden. I want to find a 
resource/service that makes it easy to purchase and download a PDF and 
hard/impossible to copy the PDF. 
Minimally, I'd like to be able to tell my client how other companies do this; 
if it is impossible to protect the PDF, then at least he'll know he's in good 
company.

If anyone knows of other solutions to accomplish this, I'd appreciate your 
insight. I'm treading way outside my skillset here but would like to be able to 
give my client some basic direction. I wanted to ask fellow Framers first; then 
I'll move on to the LiveCycle forum or whatever direction you folks point me in.

Carol

At 03:21 PM 5/6/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
>I think that's an excellent question. Could you post answers on-list or 
>forward copies to me?
>
>Right now I just use standard Adobe Acrobat security for my Frame 
>generated PDFs (I need printable and digital manuals for the Medical 
>Device industry). But we all know how easy that is to crack.

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RE: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?

[Gillian Flato]

The BookVars plugin from Leximation will do all of this. It's an excellent 
plugin. 
-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jason Nichols
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:44 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?

Is there a way to use the 12 built-in Running H/F variables in FrameMaker to 
pull in text based on paragraph tags that appear only in other documents within 
the book?

For example, it'd be nice if I could define – in the footer of each chapter in 
a book – the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, 
and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on 
paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file).

Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our 
own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book?

Thanks in advance,

Jason Nichols
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[Gillian Flato]

The BookVars plugin from Leximation will do all of this. It's an excellent 
plugin. 
-Gillian

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jason Nichols
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:44 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Variables based on paragraph tags at the book level?

Is there a way to use the 12 built-in Running H/F variables in FrameMaker to 
pull in text based on paragraph tags that appear only in other documents within 
the book?

For example, it'd be nice if I could define ? in the footer of each chapter in 
a book ? the Running H/F variables to pull in the document title, product name, 
and version number based on what appears on the book's title page (based on 
paragraph tags that are used only in the title page file).

Or, is the only way to set up those kinds of book-wide variables to define our 
own variables in one file and import them to all the other files in the book?

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RE: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe step up to the plate?

[Gillian Flato]

Have you guys tried this website:

https://licensing.adobe.com

I was able to download my old software from there.

-Gillian

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sheedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:24 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe 
step up to the plate?

Me too, same scenario. I am going to scour the house for the CD. But I have 
moved twice since the install. I have not called (don't have time for that). 
Long term customer using their professional products home and work. I have 
licenses for everything.

It was their update that caused the problem and they could do an update to 
solve the problem (because my work installs had the same problem and they did 
have a solution that didn't involve media). It is irresponsible and frustrating.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tammy Van Boening 
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.commailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:
Thank you everyone for your responses. I truly appreciate the support and 
understanding. I have an offer of help and should be able to resolve my issue.

Thank you again,

TVB

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:15 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe 
step up to the plate?


All,

I am posting to this list hoping that someone from Adobe is reading this and 
will step up to the plate. I purchased a copy of Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 
over 2 1/2 years ago. I purchased a disk from Adobe. The disk got packed in a 
recent move and is in storage and I cannot get to it. I have contacted Adobe 
for a replacement download  link or disk. I have the valid license number and 
order number. Adobe is refusing. They say that they only thing that they can do 
is purchase an upgrade from them. Why should I have to purchase an upgrade if I 
have already purchased a copy? Adobe said that is was my fault because I 
purchased a disk and had I purchased a download link instead, that I could 
access that link from my account and all would be OK. So, Adobe gives you an 
option of purchasing a disk, but doesn't tell you that if you lose it or 
misplace it that you're screwed - that really you should use only the downlink 
link option?  Certainly, I can't be the only one who has run into this issue 
before and I don't  make this a habit. This is one misplaced disk in like 17 
years of purchasing Adobe products.

Here's the rub  . . .they willingly give me a link to a site for downloading 
updates to Acrobat 9, but not a link to the initial installation?

I am just so flippin' sick and tired of Adobe's nonchalance about customer 
service and how they absolutely loved telling me that I had to spend more money 
w/ them for them to help me.

TVB

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Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe step up to the plate?

[Gillian Flato]

Have you guys tried this website:

https://licensing.adobe.com

I was able to download my old software from there.

-Gillian

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jane Sheedy
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 8:24 AM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe 
step up to the plate?

Me too, same scenario. I am going to scour the house for the CD. But I have 
moved twice since the install. I have not called (don't have time for that). 
Long term customer using their professional products home and work. I have 
licenses for everything.

It was their update that caused the problem and they could do an update to 
solve the problem (because my work installs had the same problem and they did 
have a solution that didn't involve media). It is irresponsible and frustrating.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tammy Van Boening mailto:tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com>> wrote:
Thank you everyone for your responses. I truly appreciate the support and 
understanding. I have an offer of help and should be able to resolve my issue.

Thank you again,

TVB

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 7:15 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Adobe Product Nightmare for Acrobat 9 - Will someone from Adobe 
step up to the plate?


All,

I am posting to this list hoping that someone from Adobe is reading this and 
will step up to the plate. I purchased a copy of Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 
over 2 1/2 years ago. I purchased a disk from Adobe. The disk got packed in a 
recent move and is in storage and I cannot get to it. I have contacted Adobe 
for a replacement download  link or disk. I have the valid license number and 
order number. Adobe is refusing. They say that they only thing that they can do 
is purchase an upgrade from them. Why should I have to purchase an upgrade if I 
have already purchased a copy? Adobe said that is was "my fault" because I 
purchased a disk and had I purchased a download link instead, that I could 
access that link from my account and all would be OK. So, Adobe gives you an 
option of purchasing a disk, but doesn't tell you that if you lose it or 
misplace it that you're screwed - that really you should use only the downlink 
link option?  Certainly, I can't be the only one who has run into this issue 
before and I don't  make this a habit. This is one misplaced disk in like 17 
years of purchasing Adobe products.

Here's the rub  . . .they willingly give me a link to a site for downloading 
updates to Acrobat 9, but not a link to the initial installation?

I am just so flippin' sick and tired of Adobe's nonchalance about customer 
service and how they absolutely loved telling me that I had to spend more money 
w/ them for them to help me.

TVB

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PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

[Gillian Flato]

If any of you guys use Live Cycle Designer like I do to make dynamic forms, you 
won't get that with any PDF Creator, only with Acrobat Pro. (Just sayin')

-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:23 PM
To: 'Syed Zaeem Hosain'; 'Shmuel Wolfson'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

What about PDF Creator, http://www.pdfforge.org/? 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 4:20 PM
To: Shmuel Wolfson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

Thanks for the list! It will help me during my evaluations soon. An addition to 
your list:

"easyPDF" from BCL Technologies ($29.95) 
http://www.pdfonline.com/easypdf/pdf-printer/

And I think, but not sure, that Pdf995 costs ($9.95) to get "without a sponsor 
page" ... all their tools cost this, hence the "995"
in the name. :) Their "PdfEdit995" and "PdfSignature995" products adds the 
capability to add combine/extract pages, encryption, etc.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat {WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

I apologize if this is off topic, but here is a list of Acrobat alternatives. 
(Please feel free to send me corrections or updates.)

Free:

- A free plug-in is available for Word 2007; comes with 2010

- Bullzip PDF Printer

- PDF995

- PrimoPDF

- CutePDF
   www.acrosoftware.com/Products/CutePDF/Printer.asp

- Create PS file using any PS printer, then use GSview to convert to
   PDF (GSview requires GhostScript, also free)

Not Free (prices are as of Sep 27, 2012):

- PDF Fusion ($49.99)
   www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4100140
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

- Nitro Pro ($119.99)
   www.nitropdf.com
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

- Nuance PDF Converter Pro ($99.99)

- Jaws PDF Creator ($64)
   www.jawspdf.com/products.html
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word, but does not support
   Windows 7; probably not Windows 8 either.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

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RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

[Gillian Flato]

If any of you guys use Live Cycle Designer like I do to make dynamic forms, you 
won't get that with any PDF Creator, only with Acrobat Pro. (Just sayin')

-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of VLM TechSubs
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 5:23 PM
To: 'Syed Zaeem Hosain'; 'Shmuel Wolfson'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

What about PDF Creator, http://www.pdfforge.org/? 

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 4:20 PM
To: Shmuel Wolfson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat [WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

Thanks for the list! It will help me during my evaluations soon. An addition to 
your list:

easyPDF from BCL Technologies ($29.95) 
http://www.pdfonline.com/easypdf/pdf-printer/

And I think, but not sure, that Pdf995 costs ($9.95) to get without a sponsor 
page ... all their tools cost this, hence the 995
in the name. :) Their PdfEdit995 and PdfSignature995 products adds the 
capability to add combine/extract pages, encryption, etc.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF and Alternatives to Acrobat {WAS Re: Where on Adobe is the 
info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?]

I apologize if this is off topic, but here is a list of Acrobat alternatives. 
(Please feel free to send me corrections or updates.)

Free:

- A free plug-in is available for Word 2007; comes with 2010

- Bullzip PDF Printer

- PDF995

- PrimoPDF

- CutePDF
   www.acrosoftware.com/Products/CutePDF/Printer.asp

- Create PS file using any PS printer, then use GSview to convert to
   PDF (GSview requires GhostScript, also free)

Not Free (prices are as of Sep 27, 2012):

- PDF Fusion ($49.99)
   www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4100140
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

- Nitro Pro ($119.99)
   www.nitropdf.com
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word.

- Nuance PDF Converter Pro ($99.99)

- Jaws PDF Creator ($64)
   www.jawspdf.com/products.html
   Creates bookmarks and links from Word, but does not support
   Windows 7; probably not Windows 8 either.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

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Inside scoop on FrameMaker documentation development

[Gillian Flato]

This has got to be an April Fool's joke.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
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Additionally, BookVars from Leximation is an excellent program for managing 
variables, and cheap too.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
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Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Timothy DeWees'
Subject: Re: global master page changes

Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is to save the 
definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any chance of mucking anything else 
in your files.

I refer to Using MIF Fragments to Update Catalog Settings on p. 581 of my 
book whenever I need to do this.

-Matt
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On Mar 25, 2013, at 12:06 PM, Craig Ede 
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I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables from 
a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used variables) 
across the range of files that need to be updated.

Craig

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Subject: global master page changes

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The 
client likes to have a version in the header, such as March 2013 Version, 
April 2013 Version, etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all of my master 
pages in the book from say March to April in the header title? I'm currently 
running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using framescript since not 
everyone working with these documents has framescript.  Thanks in advance for 
the help.

Tim DeWees
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RE: global master page changes

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Tim,
In your variables definition, place the following at the beginning of your 
running header:

$monthname $year

Using this method, Frame reads the month name from your computer and you never 
have to change it.

-Gillian

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Subject: global master page changes

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The 
client likes to have a version in the header, such as March 2013 Version, 
April 2013 Version, etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all of my master 
pages in the book from say March to April in the header title? I'm currently 
running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using framescript since not 
everyone working with these documents has framescript.  Thanks in advance for 
the help.

Tim DeWees
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Tim,
In your variables definition, place the following at the beginning of your 
running header:

<$monthname> <$year>

Using this method, Frame reads the month name from your computer and you never 
have to change it.

-Gillian

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Subject: global master page changes

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The 
client likes to have a "version" in the header, such as "March 2013 Version", 
"April 2013 Version," etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all of my master 
pages in the book from say March to April in the header title? I'm currently 
running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using framescript since not 
everyone working with these documents has framescript.  Thanks in advance for 
the help.

Tim DeWees
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global master page changes

[Gillian Flato]

Additionally, BookVars from Leximation is an excellent program for managing 
variables, and cheap too.

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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 2:20 PM
To: craigede at hotmail.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Timothy DeWees'
Subject: Re: global master page changes

Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is to save the 
definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any chance of mucking anything else 
in your files.

I refer to "Using MIF Fragments to Update Catalog Settings" on p. 581 of my 
book whenever I need to do this.

-Matt
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I'd do it via a variable placed on the master page. Just import variables from 
a clean template (i.e. one that won't redefine other possibly used variables) 
across the range of files that need to be updated.

Craig

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lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Timothy 
DeWees
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 4:02 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: global master page changes

I have a document that changes very frequently, sometimes every month. The 
client likes to have a "version" in the header, such as "March 2013 Version", 
"April 2013 Version," etc.  Is there a way to globally revise all of my master 
pages in the book from say March to April in the header title? I'm currently 
running FM10 and would prefer to do this without using framescript since not 
everyone working with these documents has framescript.  Thanks in advance for 
the help.

Tim DeWees
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RE: is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

[Gillian Flato]

Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.

-Gillian

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Hi, guys...I need to rework index markers.  is there a way of showing the 
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is there a way to show Index markers inline in the text

[Gillian Flato]

Index Tools Professional by Silicon Prairie will let you do that.

-Gillian

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RE: Does a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer exist?

[Gillian Flato]

Christin,

No need for it. Just save or print the Frame file as a pdf and others can read 
it with Adobe reader.

-Gillian

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Hi,

Is there a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer?

Kind regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Christin,

No need for it. Just save or print the Frame file as a pdf and others can read 
it with Adobe reader.

-Gillian

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Is there a FrameMaker Reader/Viewer?

Kind regards / Mit freundlichen Gr??en

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RE: TCS3.5 FM10 to RoboHelp: Handling 'more info' help links in FM original

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Steve,

That's what we do since we link our Frame files into RH and do true 
single-sourcing. At the end of a Frame section, we insert a See Also and use 
x-refs to other topics. When we link the files into RH, they become live links.

-Gillian

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Subject: TCS3.5  FM10 to RoboHelp: Handling 'more info' help links in FM 
original

Hi All,

We're in the process of starting to use FM10 (as part of Adobe TCS3.5) to 
create user guides and (via TCS3.5  RoboHelp 9) online help. One concern we 
have is, in FrameMaker, how to handle a 'For more information see:' list of 
links to other related help topics we currently have at the bottom of each help 
topic. The only way I can think of is to include a 'For more information see:' 
section in the FM template and deploy that (suitably completed and 
conditionally text-tagged) at the end of each perceived 'help' section in the 
FM file.

Any thoughts or suggestions for a more elegant solution would be much 
appreciated.

Thanks - Steve
Steve Whalley
Technical Author

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RE: SDL Author Assistant and Frame 11

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The free version doesn't apply any dbs or rules to it. It actually costs $6000.

-Gillian

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Hi Framers

SDL Author Assistant is available as a free plug-in for Framemaker 9 and 10.
But, there is no mention about the same for framemaker 11.

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The free version doesn't apply any dbs or rules to it. It actually costs $6000.

-Gillian

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Hi Framers

SDL Author Assistant is available as a free plug-in for Framemaker 9 and 10.
But, there is no mention about the same for framemaker 11.

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TCS3.5 > FM10 to RoboHelp: Handling 'more info' help links in FM original

[Gillian Flato]

Steve,

That's what we do since we link our Frame files into RH and do true 
single-sourcing. At the end of a Frame section, we insert a See Also and use 
x-refs to other topics. When we link the files into RH, they become live links.

-Gillian

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS3.5 > FM10 to RoboHelp: Handling 'more info' help links in FM 
original

Hi All,

We're in the process of starting to use FM10 (as part of Adobe TCS3.5) to 
create user guides and (via TCS3.5 > RoboHelp 9) online help. One concern we 
have is, in FrameMaker, how to handle a 'For more information see:' list of 
links to other related help topics we currently have at the bottom of each help 
topic. The only way I can think of is to include a 'For more information see:' 
section in the FM template and deploy that (suitably completed and 
conditionally text-tagged) at the end of each perceived 'help' section in the 
FM file.

Any thoughts or suggestions for a more elegant solution would be much 
appreciated.

Thanks - Steve
Steve Whalley
Technical Author

KSS Fuels
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79 Oxford Street
Manchester, M1 6SS United Kingdom

Office direct: +44 (0)161 609 4053
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Open Office to Frame

[Gillian Flato]

Anyone know a good tool for converting Open Office documents to FrameMaker?

Thank You,

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Anyone know a good tool for converting Open Office documents to FrameMaker?

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RE: Frame to Robo Cross Refs: Conversion Unpredictable

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I don't have these problems. Are you importing your Frame files or linking them?

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS: Frame to Robo Cross Refs: Conversion Unpredictable


Hello,



I'm using FrameMaker 11 and RoboHelp 10 in Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
(TCS) 4. My FrameMaker book is linked to RoboHelp.



Assume I have a cross ref like this in Frame:



See ABC on page 101.



RoboHelp is supposed to convert the cross ref into a hyperlink like this:



See ABC.



Most of my cross-references are converted correctly, but some are not. (The on 
page 101 is still there in RoboHelp and the generated WebHelp project.)



In Frame, two references may use the same cross reference format... but 
RoboHelp converts the one cross ref OK but not the other. In fact, I've even 
copied a cross ref and pasted it into another location in the Frame file. The 
original cross ref converts OK, but the copied one does not!



Anyone else encountered this problem? Any solutions? Thanks much.



Keith




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Frame to Robo Cross Refs: Conversion Unpredictable

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I don't have these problems. Are you importing your Frame files or linking them?

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Hello,



I'm using FrameMaker 11 and RoboHelp 10 in Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
(TCS) 4. My FrameMaker book is linked to RoboHelp.



Assume I have a cross ref like this in Frame:



See "ABC" on page 101.



RoboHelp is supposed to convert the cross ref into a hyperlink like this:



See "ABC".



Most of my cross-references are converted correctly, but some are not. (The "on 
page 101" is still there in RoboHelp and the generated WebHelp project.)



In Frame, two references may use the same cross reference format... but 
RoboHelp converts the one cross ref OK but not the other. In fact, I've even 
copied a cross ref and pasted it into another location in the Frame file. The 
original cross ref converts OK, but the copied one does not!



Anyone else encountered this problem? Any solutions? Thanks much.



Keith




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Fix for FrameMaker launch failure

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I clicked on FrameMaker to open it and got an error message stating, License 
expired. I immediately googled that error since I know my license is 
permanent. Adobe has already posted the fix for it. Click on the link, download 
the fix, and install as directed.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

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Fix for FrameMaker launch failure

[Gillian Flato]

I clicked on FrameMaker to open it and got an error message stating, "License 
expired." I immediately googled that error since I know my license is 
permanent. Adobe has already posted the fix for it. Click on the link, download 
the fix, and install as directed.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

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RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

[Gillian Flato]

I have a MacBook Air. I installed VMWare Fusion to make a virtual machine and 
created the VM with Windows 7 OS. I run TCS on the Windows VM. It's a much 
better, easier and more practical solution then a dual boot system or running 
OS9 to run Frame.

-Gillian

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Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

2012-12-10-01T18:10Z

Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine).  I am now far 
less ignorant than I was.

Regards,
Dave Stamm


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Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34
To: Alan Houser; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote:

An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's
PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising 
frequency.

I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking 
me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades 
elsewhere.

My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run 
FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy 
software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an 
ancient but adequate accounting system.

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Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

[Gillian Flato]

I have a MacBook Air. I installed VMWare Fusion to make a virtual machine and 
created the VM with Windows 7 OS. I run TCS on the Windows VM. It's a much 
better, easier and more practical solution then a dual boot system or running 
OS9 to run Frame.

-Gillian

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Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:11 AM
To: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk; arh at groupwellesley.com; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

2012-12-10-01T18:10Z

Thanks to all who responded (mostly off-list, which is fine).  I am now far 
less ignorant than I was.

Regards,
Dave Stamm


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Sent: 2012-12-10-Monday 10:34
To: Alan Houser; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Running FrameMaker on Mac workstations

At 10:03 -0500 10/12/12, Alan Houser wrote:

>An interesting tidbit...if you check the properties of Apple's
PDF-format user manuals, you will still see FrameMaker 6 and 7 with surprising 
frequency.

I am still using it here, as it does all that I need. Trouble is, it's locking 
me into OS X 10.4, which is locking me *out* of a number of important upgrades 
elsewhere.

My current view of the future probably has this machine continuing to run 
FrameMaker 7, whatever happens on a possible newer machine. I have other legacy 
software that requires Classic and which will never be updated, including an 
ancient but adequate accounting system.

--
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RE: greenfield and new structure

[Gillian Flato]

John,

If you can get the money to do it, hire Suite Solutions 
(http://www.suite-sol.com/) to write the EDDs and style sheets (xsl-fo and 
xslt) for you. Instead of struggling with it, pulling your hair out, and 
getting freustated, let the pros do it. Your manuals and help files will look 
great.

-Gillian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:26 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: greenfield and new structure

I just started a new job at a software startup. I have basically a carte 
blanche to build an awesome doc system. The existing doc is mostly in DITA xml, 
but not yet in FM. I have TCS4 and DITA-FMx. I plan to go Structured. First 
deliverables will be PDFs, but I have flexibility after that.
I would love to find some EDDs for basic DITA-compliant user manuals, and I'd 
love some war stories about getting Structured, tales of heroism and tragedy, 
etc. Please feel free to reply to me directly with comments not suitable for 
the broader community.
This is going to be fun!

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RE: FrameMaker - online help solution

[Gillian Flato]

In RoboHelp, it's easy to tell it where to break pages. In TCS (where RH and 
Frame are integrated), you can even put the breaks in the Frame pages and RH 
parses them from Frame.

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Gold
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:53 PM
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Subject: FrameMaker - online help solution

I have a bunch of FrameMaker 7 files that currently go through WebWorks 2003 to 
get turned into online help.

One of the sticking points of moving them to the current version of FrameMaker 
is getting an online help solution that will work with special marker tags that 
we've added to tell WebWorks 2003 where to break pages.

We aren't sure whether to go with RoboHelp, WebWorks ePublisher, or something 
else altogether.  Any opinions?  With an already overloaded group that's about 
to get smaller, we need a quick and (relatively) easy solution, preferably one 
that doesn't require us to do anything special to the FM files beyond moving 
them to the current version.

Thanks,

Lynn Gold
Information Developer
IBM, Santa Clara, CA
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greenfield and new structure

[Gillian Flato]

John,

If you can get the money to do it, hire Suite Solutions 
(http://www.suite-sol.com/) to write the EDDs and style sheets (xsl-fo and 
xslt) for you. Instead of struggling with it, pulling your hair out, and 
getting freustated, let the pros do it. Your manuals and help files will look 
great.

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:26 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: greenfield and new structure

I just started a new job at a software startup. I have basically a carte 
blanche to build an awesome doc system. The existing doc is mostly in DITA xml, 
but not yet in FM. I have TCS4 and DITA-FMx. I plan to go Structured. First 
deliverables will be PDFs, but I have flexibility after that.
I would love to find some EDDs for basic DITA-compliant user manuals, and I'd 
love some war stories about getting Structured, tales of heroism and tragedy, 
etc. Please feel free to reply to me directly with comments not suitable for 
the broader community.
This is going to be fun!

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RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks, Scott!

-Gillian

From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:27 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Gillian Flato
Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

Hi Gillian...

As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a big proponent of using Frame for DITA 
authoring, but I do try to remain reasonably objective when comparing it to 
other DITA tools.

The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in 
addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both 
PDF and various online formats. Other authoring tools will likely bundle the 
DITA-OT as the publishing tool, which can work quite well, if you've got XSLT 
developers at your disposal. The HTML-based formats aren't too much work to 
customize, but if PDF is an important deliverable, you're in for a lot of time 
and money to get XSL-FO styleheets built that would be something you'd deliver 
to your customers.

Because TCS includes RoboHelp, you'll find it much easier to get online Help 
from DITA, and you'll be hard-pressed to get PDFs from the OT that come close 
to what you can get from Frame.

Personally, I use Frame for authoring DITA and Oxygen for coding XML/XSL. 
Oxygen is a great tool, but I much prefer the authoring experience with Frame 
over any other tool out there. I publish PDFs from Frame (via DITA-FMx), and 
use the OT for my online outputs (HTML, CHM, and EPUB). Samples here ..

http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/

If you do decide to use Frame/TCS for DITA, you should check out DITA-FMx, 
which provides numerous additional authoring features, as well as makes 
publishing complete and PDF-ready books much easier than the default options ..

http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/

Cheers,

...scott



Scott Prentice

Leximation, Inc.

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On 11/26/12 11:08 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
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FrameMaker -> online help solution

[Gillian Flato]

In RoboHelp, it's easy to tell it where to break pages. In TCS (where RH and 
Frame are integrated), you can even put the breaks in the Frame pages and RH 
parses them from Frame.

-Gillian

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Gold
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:53 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker -> online help solution

I have a bunch of FrameMaker 7 files that currently go through WebWorks 2003 to 
get turned into online help.

One of the sticking points of moving them to the current version of FrameMaker 
is getting an online help solution that will work with special marker tags that 
we've added to tell WebWorks 2003 where to break pages.

We aren't sure whether to go with RoboHelp, WebWorks ePublisher, or something 
else altogether.  Any opinions?  With an already overloaded group that's about 
to get smaller, we need a quick and (relatively) easy solution, preferably one 
that doesn't require us to do anything special to the FM files beyond moving 
them to the current version.

Thanks,

Lynn Gold
Information Developer
IBM, Santa Clara, CA
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TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
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RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks for the response.

-Gillian

From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:shutti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:10 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

Hello Gillian

Regarding your question about TCS4 being the complete solution for DITA. You 
have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the 
evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user.

First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - 
Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves 
FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would 
buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper?

FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can 
immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the 
templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML 
editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can 
compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to 
output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some 
deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at 
http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers 
FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 
with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too.

Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. 
Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book 
files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then 
open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather 
depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a 
problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and 
the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the 
impression that is probably the better tool.

Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we 
do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives 
you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 
components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output 
from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc.

Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead!

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada
On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
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RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks Craig. Appreciate the response.

-Gillian

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:50 AM
To: Gillian Flato; framers
Subject: RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files 
using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as 
some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF 
using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you 
have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional 
files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage 
paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file 
is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the 
formats in since the EDD is the source of that information.  (Any tips on how 
to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much 
happiness from anyone reading this.)

Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes 
through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get 
what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the 
help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional 
unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss 
was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way.

The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of 
course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it 
uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, 
a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon 
is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it 
reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for 
the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits 
templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this 
that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly 
straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before 
modifying.

My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, 
aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus 
making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in 
manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were 
enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is 
useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would 
take the statement that TCS 4 offers a  single out-of-the-box solution with a 
big grain of salt.

I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface 
complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at 
least from this user).

Thanks.

Craig Ede

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 +
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
gillian.fl...@nexenta.commailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com




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TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks for the response.

-Gillian

From: Roger Shuttleworth [mailto:shutti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:10 AM
To: Gillian Flato
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

Hello Gillian

Regarding your question about TCS4 being the "complete solution" for DITA. You 
have to analyze that statement rather carefully and remember it's from the 
evangelist! The comments below are from a TCS4 user.

First, several of the components of TCS4 have nothing at all to do with DITA - 
Captivate, Illustrator, RoboScreen Capture, and Acrobat. That basically leaves 
FrameMaker and RoboHelp as candidates. So right there you ask yourself: would 
buying just FM and RH be better and/or cheaper?

FrameMaker does come with DTDs, EDDs, and templates provided, so you can 
immediately create, save, and open DITA XML documents. You'd want to tweak the 
templates, of course, and it helps if you are familiar with EDDs. As an XML 
editor, FM11 in my view is a big step forward from 9 and 10, but I doubt it can 
compete with oXygen or xMetal (I have not used the latter). The ability to 
output fine PDF is a key difference in favour of FM. There are some 
deficiencies in FM, which Scott Prentice has identified in his comparison at 
http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/featurecomparison.php (that comparison covers 
FM10 but not 11, but it's still applicable). You may want to supplement FM11 
with DITA-FMx, though there are pros and cons for that too.

Moving on to RoboHelp: RH was fundamentally designed as an HTML authoring tool. 
Integration with FrameMaker has been cobbled into it, and it works on book 
files, not ditamaps. So you have to create your book from a ditamap in FM, then 
open the book in RH. RoboHelp can also process ditamaps directly, but it rather 
depends on the day of the week and how you hold your mouth. I sometimes have a 
problem with the mouth part. DITA support in RH has a lng way to go, and 
the glowing reports I read of DITA support in WebWorks (not cheap) give me the 
impression that is probably the better tool.

Having said all that, yes, you can use TCS4 to output DITA to PDF and HTML (we 
do it). If you don't want impressive PDF, FM is inferior to the alternatives 
you mention. If you're happy to just have FM and forgo the other TCS4 
components, there are other tools you could use with FM alone to create output 
from DITA files: WebWorks, as mentioned, DITA2Go, etc.

Hope this helps alleviate some of the marketing overhead!

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada
On 26/11/2012 2:08 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com>







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[Gillian Flato]

Thanks Craig. Appreciate the response.

-Gillian

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:50 AM
To: Gillian Flato; framers
Subject: RE: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

I am currently working a contract for a company where we are writing DITA files 
using FM11 (not TCS 4). Producing DITA using FM 11 is fairly easy, but there as 
some caveats. The built in EDDs, etc. allow producing more-or-less adequate PDF 
using SaveAsPDF from ditamap files. To get TOCs, covers and other nicities, you 
have to save the ditamap as a composite FM file and then add the additional 
files into a FM book containing the composite file. Exactly how to massage 
paragraph formats to get the results you desire withing the composite FM file 
is not transparent. Structured documents are more difficult to change the 
formats in since the EDD is the source of that information.  (Any tips on how 
to get the notes that are warnings and cautions will be accepted with much 
happiness from anyone reading this.)

Another avenue to PDF (as well as HTMLHELP, javaHelp and other formats) comes 
through using the DITA Open Toolkit. This is now easy to install so you get 
what you need and the results are great for many of the formats. Most of the 
help systems offered come through without muss or fuss except for an occasional 
unrecognized character that can cause problems but is easily fixed). My boss 
was astounded at the ease of producing HTMLHelp in this way.

The DITAOpenToolkit PDF is equally easy to produce from a ditamap, but, of 
course, has a different look than the SaveAsPDF from FM11. This is because it 
uses CSS templates to format the output. The result is a terrible cover sheet, 
a great TOC, nice formatting of Warnings and the like. The regular notes icon 
is terrible; a finger pointing to the note that seems totally out of place [it 
reminds me of the similar character used by Walt Kelly in the world ballons for 
the P.T. Bridgeport character from POGO]. Wading into the OpenToolkits 
templates to modify the CSS is daughting, but doable. There are tips on this 
that pop up if you search the web, but, again, it is not particularly 
straightforward. Be sure to save the original copy of each template before 
modifying.

My experience with DITA is that it is great at reducing duplication in manuals, 
aids in breaking apart tasks that actually combined multiple tasks in one (thus 
making them both clearer and more reusable), and helps to identify material in 
manuals that just got in there because the designers of a machine were 
enamoured of explaining how the pieces of it work (even if that information is 
useless for any operator or maintainance task). I love it! However, I would 
take the statement that TCS 4 offers a  single out-of-the-box solution with a 
big grain of salt.

I am going to send a separate posting with some DITA codeview interface 
complaints for Adobe to consider as areas where improvement is desired (at 
least from this user).

Thanks.

Craig Ede

From: Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:gillian.fl...@nexenta.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:08:51 +
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
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TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

[Gillian Flato]

Thanks, Scott!

-Gillian

From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:27 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Gillian Flato
Subject: Re: TCS 4 as DITA out-of-the-box solution

Hi Gillian...

As I'm sure you're aware, I'm a big proponent of using Frame for DITA 
authoring, but I do try to remain reasonably objective when comparing it to 
other DITA tools.

The big thing that sets TCS apart from other DITA authoring tools is that in 
addition to authoring, it provides a more complete publishing solution for both 
PDF and various online formats. Other authoring tools will likely bundle the 
DITA-OT as the publishing tool, which can work quite well, if you've got XSLT 
developers at your disposal. The HTML-based formats aren't too much work to 
customize, but if PDF is an important deliverable, you're in for a lot of time 
and money to get XSL-FO styleheets built that would be something you'd deliver 
to your customers.

Because TCS includes RoboHelp, you'll find it much easier to get online Help 
from DITA, and you'll be hard-pressed to get PDFs from the OT that come close 
to what you can get from Frame.

Personally, I use Frame for authoring DITA and Oxygen for coding XML/XSL. 
Oxygen is a great tool, but I much prefer the authoring experience with Frame 
over any other tool out there. I publish PDFs from Frame (via DITA-FMx), and 
use the OT for my online outputs (HTML, CHM, and EPUB). Samples here ..

http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/

If you do decide to use Frame/TCS for DITA, you should check out DITA-FMx, 
which provides numerous additional authoring features, as well as makes 
publishing complete and PDF-ready books much easier than the default options ..

http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/

Cheers,

...scott



Scott Prentice

Leximation, Inc.

www.leximation.com<http://www.leximation.com>

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On 11/26/12 11:08 AM, Gillian Flato wrote:
I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com<mailto:Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com>






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[Gillian Flato]

I went to a presentation last week given by Maxwell Hoffman from Adobe on TCS 
v4.x. He stated that TCS v4.x is an out-of-the-box DITA solution that contains 
DTDs, EDDs, etc, so you don't have to go to third-party solutions to obtain the 
necessary pieces.

Has anyone used TCS v4.x as a complete DITA solution? Are you liking it? Is it 
better or worse than using, for example, XMetal or Oxygen with 3rd-party 
scripts, etc.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com



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RE: Reset button in Paragraph Designer

[Gillian Flato]

If you make a change in the para designer, and then want to change it back to 
the previous setting, it resets it. Note though, that if you click Apply, it 
doesn't set it back. It's only changes you make before clicking apply.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 1:55 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Reset button in Paragraph Designer

Anyone know what the Reset button on the Paragraph Designer does??

It doesn't seem to reset the para designer to the catalog definition, nor does 
it reset my selected text or para to the catalog definition.

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[Gillian Flato]

If you make a change in the para designer, and then want to change it back to 
the previous setting, it resets it. Note though, that if you click Apply, it 
doesn't set it back. It's only changes you make before clicking apply.

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Anyone know what the Reset button on the Paragraph Designer does??

It doesn't seem to reset the para designer to the catalog definition, nor does 
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RE: Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

[Gillian Flato]

It says it's for Structured Frame. Does it work with Unstructured?

-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:49 PM
To: Scott Prentice; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

The bad news is that Sourcerer is no longer available as Sourcerer, and 
Advantica seems to have gone out of business.

The good news is that the developer, Russ Ward, now offers it as AXCM at West 
Street Consulting.

Even better, it's free.

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_AXCM.htm

Why yes, I AM (finally) almost done with updating the list of plugins. :)

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:
 Hi Gillian...

 Here's some plugins that do *something* with conditions ..

 http://leximation.com/toolsearch/?type=Pbaseapp=FMkwds=condition

 Might be something useful in there.  :)

 Cheers,

 ...scott

 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892

 On 10/30/12 12:42 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:

 Does anyone know of a program that works like Book Vars (Leximation) 
 but does the same function for conditions?



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RE: Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

[Gillian Flato]

I inherited some legacy docs that are filled with old, obsolete conditions. I 
want to clean them out from a book level and have a clean template with only 
relevant conditions.

-Gillian

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Can you be more specific about what you're looking for?

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I inherited some legacy docs that are filled with old, obsolete conditions. I 
want to clean them out from a book level and have a clean template with only 
relevant conditions.

-Gillian

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Can you be more specific about what you're looking for?

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Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

[Gillian Flato]

Does anyone know of a program that works like Book Vars (Leximation) but does 
the same function for conditions?

Thank You,

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Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

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It says it's for Structured Frame. Does it work with Unstructured?

-Gillian

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From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:49 PM
To: Scott Prentice; Gillian Flato
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

The bad news is that Sourcerer is no longer available as Sourcerer, and 
Advantica seems to have gone out of business.

The good news is that the developer, Russ Ward, now offers it as AXCM at West 
Street Consulting.

Even better, it's free.

http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_AXCM.htm

Why yes, I AM (finally) almost done with updating the list of plugins. :)

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Hi Gillian...
>
> Here's some plugins that do *something* with conditions ..
>
> http://leximation.com/toolsearch/?type=P=FM=condition
>
> Might be something useful in there.  :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
> On 10/30/12 12:42 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a program that works like Book Vars (Leximation) 
> but does the same function for conditions?
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
>
>
> Gillian Flato
>
> Senior Content Developer
>
> Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
>
> Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com
>
>
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Book-Vars type program for Conditions?

[Gillian Flato]

Does anyone know of a program that works like Book Vars (Leximation) but does 
the same function for conditions?

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RE: OWL Interface Resources

[Gillian Flato]

Rick,

Let me know what you find out on that. I was thinking of doing it too.

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:51 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OWL Interface Resources

Previous to FrameMaker 9, some creative Framers used resource editors to 
increase the size of some of the FrameMaker dialog boxes. Has anyone done this 
with FrameMaker 10 or 11? I would like to do this with a couple of the 
fixed-size pods (or panels, or whatever you call them). For example, the Show 
Element Context pod can't be resized in the interface. I would like to make 
this bigger with a resource editor but I am not sure if I can. Any pointers 
would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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Rick,

Let me know what you find out on that. I was thinking of doing it too.

-Gillian

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Subject: OWL Interface Resources

Previous to FrameMaker 9, some creative Framers used resource editors to 
increase the size of some of the FrameMaker dialog boxes. Has anyone done this 
with FrameMaker 10 or 11? I would like to do this with a couple of the 
fixed-size pods (or panels, or whatever you call them). For example, the Show 
Element Context pod can't be resized in the interface. I would like to make 
this bigger with a resource editor but I am not sure if I can. Any pointers 
would be appreciated. Thanks.

Rick

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RE: Collaborate with PDF-based roundtrip reviews?

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Deanna,

In Frame 11 you can do what's called a Shared Revew. You host the doc on the 
Acrobat server and each reviewer can make comments and see everyone else's 
comments. This works very well so you don't get 5 people making the same 
comment. You're supposed to be able to import the comments and the changes made 
in the PDF back into your Frame file, but honestly, I've never gotten that to 
work well in Frame 10. Perhaps it works better in Frame 11.

-Gillian

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deanna Korth
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:48 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Collaborate with PDF-based roundtrip reviews?

Hi,

We are migrating from FrameMaker 7.2 to FrameMaker 11. In our current workflow, 
we create a PDF file and use Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional to enable 
commenting in it so that reviewers who don't have FrameMaker can electronically 
review and comment on our FrameMaker documents. We then merge the electronic 
comments into the PDF file and manually change the FrameMaker files accordingly.

For FrameMaker 11, Adobe advertises, Collaborate with PDF-based roundtrip 
reviews. I've searched, but I can't find how these types of reviews are 
implemented. Can you briefly explain how this feature works? Mainly I want to 
know if we need to purchase Adobe Acrobat Professional X to retain our ability 
to solicit electronic reviews from reviewers who don't have FrameMaker or if 
the need for Acrobat Professional is eliminated by this feature in FrameMaker 
11.

Thanks,

Deanna.
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Deanna,

In Frame 11 you can do what's called a Shared Revew. You host the doc on the 
Acrobat server and each reviewer can make comments and see everyone else's 
comments. This works very well so you don't get 5 people making the same 
comment. You're supposed to be able to import the comments and the changes made 
in the PDF back into your Frame file, but honestly, I've never gotten that to 
work well in Frame 10. Perhaps it works better in Frame 11.

-Gillian

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deanna Korth
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:48 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Collaborate with PDF-based roundtrip reviews?

Hi,

We are migrating from FrameMaker 7.2 to FrameMaker 11. In our current workflow, 
we create a PDF file and use Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional to enable 
commenting in it so that reviewers who don't have FrameMaker can electronically 
review and comment on our FrameMaker documents. We then merge the electronic 
comments into the PDF file and manually change the FrameMaker files accordingly.

For FrameMaker 11, Adobe advertises, "Collaborate with PDF-based roundtrip 
reviews." I've searched, but I can't find how these types of reviews are 
implemented. Can you briefly explain how this feature works? Mainly I want to 
know if we need to purchase Adobe Acrobat Professional X to retain our ability 
to solicit electronic reviews from reviewers who don't have FrameMaker or if 
the need for Acrobat Professional is eliminated by this feature in FrameMaker 
11.

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Yes, I choose Print Book.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:33 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks don't stay set

Are you selecting all the files in the book and then doing PDF Setup for all of 
them? That works fine for me. If the files don't all have the same PDF 
settings, then the book's PDF settings are a mix of all of them.

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 When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, 
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RE: Bookmarks Don't Stay Set

[Gillian Flato]

Oran,

Thank you so much. You just solved my problem.

-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks Don't Stay Set

Reading between the lines, your problem may be where you are doing the settings.
This now works similar to a standard printer setup. If you wish to change the 
default settings, you must do it from the printer control panel. If you wish to 
change the defaults for a specific job, you it from the print dialog prior to 
printing. These do not stick.

For PDF settings from a FrameMaker book, to change the defaults, go to the book 
menu: FormatDocumentPDF Setup. Make your desired default settings, click set, 
and then SAVE THE BOOK. Now your chosen default settings will appear each time 
you Save As the PDF (or print/distill).

If you make changes from the print dialog prior to printing, they will not 
take, even if you save the book. Next time you will again see the defaults. I 
think this is what is happening to you. I am not certain, but I think this 
change may have been made with Version 10. Previously the settings would stick 
if made from the print dialog box before printing, if you saved the book.

On a slightly different topic, since we do not need color separations, spot 
printing, or any of the other higher end print operations, we find that Save As 
PDF works much better than print/distill. As mentioned recently, printing to a 
ps takes many times longer and bloats the file size. With Save As we do a pdf 
file from a 1000 plus page frame book in less than 2 minutes with no issues.

In doing troublshooting for a large company, I find most pdf issues are caused 
by two errors:
1. Attempting to print to other than the Adobe PDF printer. Will not work for 
creating a pdf. Period.
(I have seen a couple of threads in the forum recently that infer that this is 
what they are attempting)

2. Acrobat corruption triggered by attempting to simultaneously install 
multiple versions of Acrobat, including Pro vs Reader. This has been cleaned up 
some in the later installs, but I still see it frequently. You must fully 
uninstall all versions of Acrobat and then reinstall only the one version to 
avoid this issue.

Oran Petersen



- Original Message -
I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame 7, 
8 or 9. 

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they 
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of the 
other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get rid of 
them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous versions. 

Thank You, 

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
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Bookmarks don't stay set

[Gillian Flato]

Yes, I choose Print Book.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks don't stay set

Are you selecting all the files in the book and then doing PDF Setup for all of 
them? That works fine for me. If the files don't all have the same PDF 
settings, then the book's PDF settings are a mix of all of them.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Gillian Flato  
wrote:
> When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, 
> but they don't stay set. ...
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Bookmarks Don't Stay Set

[Gillian Flato]

Oran,

Thank you so much. You just solved my problem.

-Gillian

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 4:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Bookmarks Don't Stay Set

Reading between the lines, your problem may be where you are doing the settings.
This now works similar to a standard printer setup. If you wish to change the 
default settings, you must do it from the printer control panel. If you wish to 
change the defaults for a specific job, you it from the print dialog prior to 
printing. These do not "stick".

For PDF settings from a FrameMaker book, to change the defaults, go to the book 
menu: Format>Document>PDF Setup. Make your desired default settings, click set, 
and then SAVE THE BOOK. Now your chosen default settings will appear each time 
you Save As the PDF (or print/distill).

If you make changes from the print dialog prior to printing, they will not 
take, even if you save the book. Next time you will again see the defaults. I 
think this is what is happening to you. I am not certain, but I think this 
change may have been made with Version 10. Previously the settings would stick 
if made from the print dialog box before printing, if you saved the book.

On a slightly different topic, since we do not need color separations, spot 
printing, or any of the other higher end print operations, we find that Save As 
PDF works much better than print/distill. As mentioned recently, printing to a 
ps takes many times longer and bloats the file size. With Save As we do a pdf 
file from a 1000 plus page frame book in less than 2 minutes with no issues.

In doing troublshooting for a large company, I find most pdf issues are caused 
by two errors:
1. Attempting to "print" to other than the Adobe PDF printer. Will not work for 
creating a pdf. Period.
(I have seen a couple of threads in the forum recently that infer that this is 
what they are attempting)

2. Acrobat corruption triggered by attempting to simultaneously install 
multiple versions of Acrobat, including Pro vs Reader. This has been cleaned up 
some in the later installs, but I still see it frequently. You must fully 
uninstall all versions of Acrobat and then reinstall only the one version to 
avoid this issue.

Oran Petersen



- Original Message -
I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame 7, 
8 or 9. 

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they 
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of the 
other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get rid of 
them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous versions. 

Thank You, 

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
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Bookmarks don't stay set

[Gillian Flato]

I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame 7, 
8 or 9.

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they 
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of the 
other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get rid of 
them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous versions.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
gillian.fl...@nexenta.com



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Bookmarks don't stay set

[Gillian Flato]

I am using Frame 10 in TCS 3 and have a problem that I did not have in Frame 7, 
8 or 9.

When I print to PDF, I set up my bookmarks in the PDF Setup dialog, but they 
don't stay set. Every single time I print to PDF, I have to delete all of the 
other bookmarks that it puts in that field. It takes a long time to get rid of 
them all. What is the deal. I never had this problem in previous versions.

Thank You,

Gillian Flato
Senior Content Developer
Skype: Gillian.B.Flato
Gillian.Flato at nexenta.com



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