Re: [Framers] [ANN] TC Camp is this Saturday!

[Guy K. Haas]

Um How are the sign-ups?    I'm getting the impression that
they may be lacking.

--Guy

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 Framers...

 If you're in the San Francisco bay area, and will be around this 
 weekend, you might consider joining us at TC Camp (the techcomm 
 unconference) at San Jose State University on Saturday!

 The day starts with a 2-hour workshop .. some are $40, but the Adobe 
 workshop with Matt Sullivan is FREE .. then the keynote with Gavin 
 Austin of Salesforce, followed by the unconference (FREE). The 
 unconference offers a number of tracks, focusing on topics that the 
 attendees (you) vote on the day of the event. It's a day full of 
 learning, sharing, and networking for all things techcomm.

 You'll be able to talk with sponsors (tools, services, and
employment), 
 various industry experts, as well your colleagues from the area and
beyond.

 If you haven't registered, but are interested (remember, it's free,
or 
 very low cost), more info here ..

     https://www.tccamp.org/2019/02/unconference-tc-camp-2019/

 If you have registered, remember to vote on topics and suggest your
own. 
 The topics added online are the ones that will be voted on the day of

 the unconference ..

     https://www.tccamp.org/topics/

 Feel free to let me know if you have any questions (off list)!

 Cheers,
 ...scott

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RE: limiting adjectives vs possessive adjectives

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Thanks, Fred--

  [T]he second noun could be made from the first (e.g., chicken soup),
  intended for the first (e.g., user manual),
  composed of the first (e.g., butterfly migration),
  dependent on the first (e.g., church wedding)

At the grocery store, we see this variety all the time.

Corn oil is made from corn
Olive oil is made from olives

Mineral oil is composed of mineral deposits

Motor oil is made FOR motors
Baby oil is made FOR babies.

--Guy Haas




On Mon, March 16, 2015 2:42 pm, Fred Ridder wrote:
 Yes, there are restrictive [and non-restrictive] adjectives, which is what
 I assume you are referring to as limiting adjectives (a term I failed to
 find in any of my handy grammar/linguistics references).

 But I don't think that's what we are dealing with here in the
 non-possessive case, because I don't believe we're dealing with adjectives
 at all.

 Most people remember that adjectives modify nouns, but forget that they
 are not the *only* things that modify nouns. In some cases verbs modify
 nouns (e.g., the sitting president), and in many cases -- particularly in
 technical writing -- nouns modify nouns. Nouns that modify nouns are
 referred to as attributive nouns or noun adjuncts. They almost always
 appear before the noun they modify (an attributive or prepositive
 position) and they typically identify a property or attribute of the noun
 that follows rather than directly modifying the noun itself.

 The classical example of an attributive noun phrase in English is chicken
 soup. Both words are nouns, but it is undeniable that the first noun
 modifies our understanding of what the second noun represents. Exactly
 what the relationship is varies widely; the second noun could be made from
 the first (e.g., chicken soup), intended for the first (e.g., user
 manual), composed of the first (e.g., butterfly migration), dependent on
 the first (e.g., church wedding) -- basically any semantic relationship
 other than simple possession by. And you can string a bunch of them
 together without any of the usual concerns about commas in adjective
 series. (E.g., The chicken soup tureen ladle handle was covered with
 schmaltz.)

 Both user manual and butterfly migration fit this pattern. Both
 user and butterfly are nouns that modify the sense of the nouns that
  follow them. And they are unlike adjectives because they cannot be used
  predicatively.

 -FR

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 To: shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: limiting adjectives vs possessive adjectives
 Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 13:38:33 -0500




 Shmuel,

 In an earlier post on this topic I pointed out that in English we have
 adjectives of varying types, two of which are:

 possessive adjectives
 limiting adjectives

 User manual is a example of the latter and limits the intended audience.
 Another example of this is butterfly migration which limits the scope of
 those things migrating.

 Non-native speakers often miss this distinction and say things like
 butterflies migration.

 My wife is a native Spanish speaker and she claims Spanish does not allow
 such limiting adjectives instead saying the migration of the butterfly.
 (Note the singular butterfly, mimicking the singular user in English.)

 Putting butterfly migration into google translate results in migración
 de la mariposa in Spanish. (Not that that proves anything.)

 Craig


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 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 7:19 AM

 To: Craig, Alison; hessiansx4; Framers

 Subject: Re: User's manual vs. User manual




 We use User’s Manual. User’s Manual is the manual for the User. How do
 explain the name User Manual? If it means the same thing, isn't it missing
 the apostrophe s?




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Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

[Guy K. Haas]

But, Dov---

I have both installed so that when a reviewer runs into a problem, I can 
see it their way.  The interfaces of the two are so different that 
it's sometimes handy to be able to do this.


Would it be any less NOT RECOMMENDED if one had the Reader on a 
removable drive (such as a USB drive) and plugged it in only when needed?


--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley


On 7/25/2010 7:23 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:

Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously
(assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a
number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality
to one's system. Having said that, I will add that having both Reader and
Acrobat of the same version on a system is most unlikely to cause the
symptoms described.

- Dov



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Acrobat 9 - a disaster

[Guy K. Haas]

But, Dov---

I have both installed so that when a reviewer runs into a problem, I can 
"see it their way".  The interfaces of the two are so different that 
it's sometimes handy to be able to do this.

Would it be any less "NOT RECOMMENDED" if one had the Reader on a 
removable drive (such as a USB drive) and plugged it in only when needed?

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley


On 7/25/2010 7:23 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously
> (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a
> number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality
> to one's system. Having said that, I will add that having both Reader and
> Acrobat of the same version on a system is most unlikely to cause the
> symptoms described.
>
>   - Dov

RE: Thought for the day

[Guy K. Haas]

Been hearing a radio ad for debt relief (through Chapter 7 bankruptcy!) that
begins:

 This is an important announcement to the American public who owe
 more than $1 or more in credit card debt.  ...

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley


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Thought for the day

[Guy K. Haas]

Been hearing a radio ad for debt relief (through Chapter 7 bankruptcy!) that
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 This is an important announcement to the American public who owe
 more than $1 or more in credit card debt.  ...

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RE: re-use 101

[Guy K. Haas]

Inset Plus [sic] is free, and looks very interesting, but

the site does not indicate whether it is a product one can just inject
into one's Structured FrameMaker system, of if one needs to BUY any of the
other West Street Consulting products in order to make use of it.

Kristy, can you address this or should we ask West Street?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley, and sometime
   user of LOADS of text insets




On Wed, March 11, 2009 9:01 am, Kristy Nolan wrote:
 Hi, Joel!

 Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered
 using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a
 few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check out
 InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very
 useful for our docs.

 Kristy

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel
 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:36 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: re-use 101

 I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
 pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
 differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
 substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
 being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
 the moment.

 This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
 something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
 change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
 single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
 strategy be:

 (a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;

 (b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
 on individual XML files;

 (c) Something else?
 I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
 I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
 pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
 allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
 configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
 Joel
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re-use 101

[Guy K. Haas]

Inset Plus [sic] is free, and looks very interesting, but

the site does not indicate whether it is a product one can just inject
into one's Structured FrameMaker system, of if one needs to BUY any of the
other West Street Consulting products in order to make use of it.

Kristy, can you address this or should we ask West Street?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley, and sometime
   user of LOADS of text insets




On Wed, March 11, 2009 9:01 am, Kristy Nolan wrote:
> Hi, Joel!
>
> Are you using structured or unstructured Frame? Have you considered
> using text insets? I found this useful when I had a similar scenario a
> few years ago on unstructured Frame. If you are on structured, check out
> InsetPlus at West Street Consulting. We have found this to be very
> useful for our docs.
>
> Kristy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joel
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: re-use 101
>
> I am using Frame 8. I have a set of seven manuals that are close to 100
> pages each. Many sections of these manuals are identical, some sections
> differ in detail in minor ways, and fewer sections differ in more
> substantial ways. Currently they are all Frame books with each chapter
> being its own file within the book. There is no re-use of anything at
> the moment.
>
> This is becoming increasingly burdensome to maintain, as a change to
> something that appears in all seven manuals requires me to make that
> change manually in all seven files. I would like to get to re-use, or
> single-sourcing, but I'm puzzled as to how to get there. Would the best
> strategy be:
>
> (a) To use conditional text and generate several versions;
>
> (b) To try and convert everything to XML and sew things together based
> on individual XML files;
>
> (c) Something else?
> I have zero XML knowledge, and whenever I read about it, my head hurts.
> I am willing to learn, but the benefit needs to be commensurate with the
> pain involved in learning. I'm looking for the simplest solution that
> allows for some common source material using my existing Frame
> configuration. Ideas are appreciated.
> Joel
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Re: Frame's future

[Guy K. Haas]

The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista.

Q. Does Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 run on Windows Vista? Does Adobe plan to update it
for Windows Vista support?
A. Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe
currently plans to release the next major version of FrameMaker for Windows 
Vista.


So, their phrasing does not make clear whether

  FrameMaker 7.2 does not work at all on Vista
or
  Certain parts of FrameMaker 7.2 do not work on Vista.

Similarly, it's not clear whether

  The next major version of FrameMaker will work ONLY on Windows Vista,
  but not earlier version.
or
  The next major version of FrameMaker will work properly on Windows
  Vista AND on (certain?) earlier versions.

I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has 
anyone TRIED it and reported this?


--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley



Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 20:27 -0800 23/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote:


What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista?  Does it just mean FrameMaker 
whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous new features of Vista?


On the basis of a quick scan, it looks as if it just means 'running without 
issues' - i.e. working properly under Vista.

What marvellous new features? ;-)

FrameMaker does not work at all...

'Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe 
currently plans to release the next major version of FrameMaker for Windows 
Vista.'



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Re: Frame's future

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Paul Findon wrote:

Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Madcap Blaze, which Madcap 
describe as the ultimate alternative to Adobe FrameMaker. 
http://www.madcapsoftware.com/


Me too, Paul, but has ANYBODY got any info on how their beta is doing, 
or whether it is even underway?


I know they have been on the road at STC (and other) group meetings 
talking up Flare and its kin, but have they said much about Blaze?


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Re: Frame's future

[Guy K. Haas]

What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista?  Does it just 
mean FrameMaker whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous 
new features of Vista?


--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Michael Heine wrote:
Blaze sounds interesting (on vapour paper, so far). So, will it do 
endnotes, and print 4/C ... ?


I'd also be curious to see if the coming version of FrameMaker will run 
under XP? It's specifically designed for Vista, it seems: ... Adobe 
currently plans to release the next major verions of Framemaker for 
Windows Vista. (http://www.adobe.com/support/products/pdfs/ 
adobe_products_and_windows_vista.pdf).


I have no idea how backward compatible Vista applications are with XP ?


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Frame's future

[Guy K. Haas]

Paul Findon wrote:

> Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Madcap Blaze, which Madcap 
> describe as the "ultimate alternative to Adobe FrameMaker." 
> <http://www.madcapsoftware.com/>

Me too, Paul, but has ANYBODY got any info on how their beta is doing, 
or whether it is even underway?

I know they have been on the road at STC (and other) group meetings 
talking up Flare and its kin, but have they said much about Blaze?

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Frame's future

[Guy K. Haas]

What does it mean "FrameMaker  supports Vista"?  Does it just 
mean "FrameMaker  is able to take advantage of the marvelous 
new features of Vista"?

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Michael Heine wrote:
> Blaze sounds interesting (on vapour paper, so far). So, will it do 
> endnotes, and print 4/C ... ?
> 
> I'd also be curious to see if the coming version of FrameMaker will run 
> under XP? It's specifically designed for Vista, it seems: "... Adobe 
> currently plans to release the next major verions of Framemaker for 
> Windows Vista. (http://www.adobe.com/support/products/pdfs/ 
> adobe_products_and_windows_vista.pdf).
> 
> I have no idea how backward compatible Vista applications are with XP ?

Re: Translation choices?

[Guy K. Haas]

For those of you in proximity to Silicon Valley, let me point out that 
Daniel is our speaker tonight at the Silicon Valley Chapter of STC:

http://stc-siliconvalley.org/programs/topics/2007_02.html

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley


Daniel Doornbos wrote:

Hello Art,

Mandarin Chinese is the single most widely spoken first language, at
873 million speakers, according to the 2007 World Almanac. If you're
targeting China itself, you would translate into Simplified Chinese, a
remnant of the Chairman Mao years. Spanish is the No. 2 language at 322
million, followed by English at 309.

These facts are not enough to base your decision, however. For example,
there are dozens of languages spoken in Africa. But the lingua franca
for much of Africa is French (no pun intended). So you might get more
mileage from your translation dollar if you chose French over German,
assuming you have a lot of customers in Africa.

Many countries require documentation in the native language in order to
receive safety certification, such as TUV in Germany. Since your message
mentioned an electrocution hazard, you definitely want to look into the
safety certification issue as well.

I think your Marketing folks have a lot more research to do before they
pick target languages. Your translation firm, if you have one, and your
overseas partners and distributors, may also be helpful in selecting
your target languages.

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
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Translation choices?

[Guy K. Haas]

For those of you in proximity to Silicon Valley, let me point out that 
Daniel is our speaker tonight at the Silicon Valley Chapter of STC:
http://stc-siliconvalley.org/programs/topics/2007_02.html

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley


Daniel Doornbos wrote:
> Hello Art,
> 
> Mandarin Chinese is the single most widely spoken "first language," at
> 873 million speakers, according to the 2007 World Almanac. If you're
> targeting China itself, you would translate into Simplified Chinese, a
> remnant of the Chairman Mao years. Spanish is the No. 2 language at 322
> million, followed by English at 309.
> 
> These facts are not enough to base your decision, however. For example,
> there are dozens of languages spoken in Africa. But the lingua franca
> for much of Africa is French (no pun intended). So you might get more
> mileage from your translation dollar if you chose French over German,
> assuming you have a lot of customers in Africa.
> 
> Many countries require documentation in the native language in order to
> receive safety certification, such as TUV in Germany. Since your message
> mentioned an electrocution hazard, you definitely want to look into the
> safety certification issue as well.
> 
> I think your Marketing folks have a lot more research to do before they
> pick target languages. Your translation firm, if you have one, and your
> overseas partners and distributors, may also be helpful in selecting
> your target languages.
> 
> Daniel Doornbos
> Technical Writer
> Promise Technology, Inc.
> 408 228-1437
> danield at promise.com

Re: Fonts they are a-changing

[Guy K. Haas]

Rene--

I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify 
a source for the fonts they are mandating.  Is there someone up-line you 
can ask?


--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Rene Stephenson wrote:

Hi All,
   
  We've received new corporate branding from the parent company that ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I possess. sigh Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. g


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Fonts they are a-changing

[Guy K. Haas]

Rene--

I'm surprised that The Powers That Be did not suggest/recommend/specify 
a source for the fonts they are mandating.  Is there someone up-line you 
can ask?

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>   We've received new corporate branding from the "parent company" that 
> ripples into needing to update our FM templates with a new set of fonts. The 
> branding specifies Helvetica / Helvetica Neue for copy and Rotis Sans Serif 
> for headings. (I hear some groaning at the already-overused Helvetica...but 
> the edict was issued by the Powers That Be.) I'm seeing several websites from 
> which we could buy the fonts, but there are multiple options for purchase 
> that frankly require a deeper understanding of how fonts are handled than I 
> possess.  Having never worked in typesetting, I feel like I'm doing a 
> freestyle stroke across the bay and hoping I don't sink. 

Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?

[Guy K. Haas]

If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of 
sample code...


and the code indents blocks for readability...

and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and 
paste into a Plain Old Text Editor...


is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the 
indentions?



I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker 
template, but added some customizations. I'm  moving the content over to 
a new template set.  The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old 
template used tabs to indent.  The new template has a different 
paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any 
of the code paragraph styles.


My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be 
used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, 
indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows:


Code para at the Body para left margin

  CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin

etc

and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the 
same grid.  The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body 
para indention system and the character width of the code font can be 
made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy.


But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them 
to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces 
are omitted.


Ideas?

--Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
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Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?

[Guy K. Haas]

If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of 
sample code...

and the code indents blocks for readability...

and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and 
paste into a Plain Old Text Editor...

is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the 
indentions?


I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker 
template, but added some customizations. I'm  moving the content over to 
a new template set.  The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old 
template used tabs to indent.  The new template has a different 
paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any 
of the code paragraph styles.

My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be 
used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, 
indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows:

Code para at the Body para left margin

   CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin

 etc

and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the 
same grid.  The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body 
para indention system and the character width of the code font can be 
made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy.

But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them 
to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces 
are omitted.

Ideas?

--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Re: Where to find instructions for creating a watermark

[Guy K. Haas]

John Posada wrote:

I need to add a watermark that says DRAFT on all pages of
multiple books. 


The FrameMaker help does not mention this anywhere.

Besides using Framescripts, which the company I work for will not
purchase, how else can you do this?


We put an anchored frame centered on each master page, put an image
with the word Draft, and apply a Draft conditional to the frame. Just
before release, we turn off the Draft conditional, which hides the
Draft image


Another way, in Windows, is that some print drivers let you set 
watermarks under the Properties.


--Guy K. Haas
  Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
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Where to find instructions for creating a watermark

[Guy K. Haas]

John Posada wrote:
>> I need to add a watermark that says "DRAFT" on all pages of
>> multiple books. 
>>
>> The FrameMaker help does not mention this anywhere.
>>
>> Besides using Framescripts, which the company I work for will not
>> purchase, how else can you do this?
> 
> We put an anchored frame centered on each master page, put an image
> with the word Draft, and apply a Draft conditional to the frame. Just
> before release, we turn off the Draft conditional, which hides the
> Draft image

Another way, in Windows, is that some print drivers let you set 
watermarks under the Properties.

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Hollow bullets?

[Guy K. Haas]

Does anybody out there, including the "dumb engineer," have any advice 
on how to get FrameMaker 7.2 to have the same three levels of bullets 
that "Wurd" produces natively?

We do our FrameMaker on WindowsXP and produce PDFs so far, though we may 
well get into WebWorks and online help after a while.

Solid black circles above the text baseline for the outermost level are 
the FrameMaker norm.

Those second-level hollow bullets (black perimeter, white interior, 
above the text baseline) are not in the fonts we use, nor the character 
tables in the FrameMaker documentation, nor in Wingdings, nor WebDings.

The third-level would be en-dashes or hyphens.

But without access to the hollow bullet, I'm stuck with only two levels: 
the solid dots and the en-dash or hyphen.

Do we need to buy a font?  (Could I just buy a vowel?)

--Guy K. Haas
   Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Re: Find not finding

[Guy K. Haas]

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? 
 That is, was it opened with FileOpen and thus filtered in through 
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?


And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older 
version involved?


Some of our team will be facing the Word-Frame conversion soon, and 
when I shared your info with them, they asked.


--Thanks,
Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:
Hi again all, 
 
Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,

including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
interest to the rest of the group. 
 
The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any

imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then
reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. 

...

Chuck


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Find not finding

[Guy K. Haas]

Charles--

Might I ask how the original Word material was brought into FrameMaker? 
  That is, was it opened with File>Open and thus filtered in through 
FrameMaker's own mechanisms?

And was this all in the context of FrameMaker 7.2, or was an older 
version involved?

Some of our team will be facing the Word->Frame conversion soon, and 
when I shared your info with them, they asked.

--Thanks,
     Guy K. Haas
 Software Exegete in Silicon Valley

Beck, Charles wrote:
> Hi again all, 
>  
> Just wanted to let you all know that I received several replies,
> including one with the correct remedy. Thought it might be of general
> interest to the rest of the group. 
>  
> The tip of the hat goes to Alan Houser who asked whether there was any
> imported MS Word content in the file. Apparently, Word content can
> include hidden control characters that can interfere with the Find
> function. That was the case with our problem. Saving as MIF and then
> reopening and saving as *.fm resolved the problem. 
...
> Chuck

Visio (2003) drawings into FrameMaker (7.2, unstructured)?

[Guy K. Haas]

My developers give me design files in Word containing embedded Visio 
objects to show UML and the like.  While there are not very many, I 
WOULD like to use as delayed a binding as possible, to facilitate the 
updating of such drawings from (ever?)-changing engineering docs.

I do not believe one can embed such objects themselves in a FrameMaker 
document.

I CAN, of course, open the object, save it as a .vsd file, then open the 
.vsd file IN Visio and save it in some other graphic form (meaning that 
I'd have to do it over again whenever the engineers rejigger).

But Visio 2003 does not offer .eps among its save-as options.  The most 
desirable of the offerings (for line drawings) seem to be .gif, .png, 
and .svg[z].  My guess would be .svg because it's vector.

Any guidance on
1. whether FrameMaker can embed Visio objects
2. if not, then what's the best format for embedding the graphic file.

--TIA,
Guy K. Haas
Software Exegete in Silicon Valley