Re: [Framers] Including a non-breaking hyphen in a variable
It's \+ If you download this file, it's a bunch of keyboard shortcuts, including a number for how to enter weird things like non-breaking spaces and hyphens in fields. Feel free to adapt it to your own use. https://www.frameusers.com/uploads/2016/08/ShortcutInfo.zip On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 8:43 PM Peter Gold wrote: > The more I dig into long-unused memory to look for what I used to know > about FM, the less I find, because there's too much dust and rust in the > way. Instead, I try a Web search, and find how true it is that "nothing > every dies on the internet." Have you tried something like "framemaker > non-breaking hyphen in variable"? There's a ton of results. At least a few > might be correct. > > On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 6:41 PM Craig, Alison GLI/CA < > acr...@greenlightinnovation.com> wrote: > > > Windows 10 > > FrameMaker subscription (fully updated). > > > > We use a project number format to identify our custom projects (eg, > > G19-6820, H21-2500, etc). > > > > I always turn the project numbers into variables but I can't figure out > to > > make the hyphen into a non-breaking version when I create the variable. > > > > I know it has something to do with a backslash (\), but I'm not sure what > > else is involved. > > > > > > Alison > > Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)
Someone wanders in from time to time, but if you create a bug report in the tracker and post the link here, others can vote on it. If you want, I'll copy the link and post to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, too. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:42 AM Yves Barbion wrote: > Thank you for the tip, Simon, but I'm not going to spend my time on this. I > guess/hope that Adobe is monitoring this list too and that they have the > time and the people to raise this issue as a bug. ;-) > > Cheers > > Yves > > On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 11:27, Simon BUCH wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > If you haven't done it already, I would advise raising this as a bug on > > the Adobe tracking system: > > https://tracker.adobe.com > > > > Regards > > /// Simon BUCH > > > > On 04/05/2022 10:19, Yves Barbion wrote: > > > Hi group > > > > > > FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) refused to start this morning: no splash > screen > > > and no FrameMaker process running in the Task Manager. Apparently, this > > is > > > the same bug as in Frame 2015: > > > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg68672.html > > > > > > This problem can easily be fixed by renaming or deleting the > Linguistics > > > folder in: > > > > > > C:\Users\Your.Name\AppData\LocalLow\Adobe > > > > > > Kudos to Jeff Coatsworth, who posted this fix back in 2019. > > > > > > @Adobe: Could you please fix this bug? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Yves > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: FrameMaker Scripts and Ride for Roswell
And I can report that it is a lovely script and that he was also kind enough to show me how to get it to run automatically using Acrobat Actions, which are new to me. On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:38 PM wrote: > Hi All, > > I am doing the Ride for Roswell again this year. This is a charity ride to > benefit the Roswell Park Cancer Center in Buffalo, NY. I raise money by > providing FrameMaker scripts in exchange for a donation to the ride. Here > is > a link to the donation page: > > https://give.roswellpark.org/goto/rickquatro > > For a donation of $25 or more, I will provide you with a site license for > one of my off-the-shelf scripts, including the source code. Or, if you have > an idea for a custom script, I may be able to provide you with a solution > in > exchange for a larger donation. > > For example, I just wrote an Acrobat JavaScript for my friend Lin Sims that > merges two bookmarks in her PDF. In FrameMaker, she has this: > > Section 1 > Introduction > . > Section 2 > Installation > . > > In the PDF, she gets this: > > Section 1: Introduction > . > Section 2: Installation > . > > This script could easily be customized for your documents. Be creative with > your ideas and let's see what we can do! I will take care of riding the 100 > miles on June 25th. Thank you! > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > 585-729-6746 > r...@frameexpert.com > http://www.frameexpert.com/store > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins
And if you can't use the trial version for some reason, let us know. I know I'm willing to open it for you and put it through a mif wash, and I doubt I'm the only one. On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 7:55 AM Jeff Coatsworth < jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com> wrote: > Welcome screen issues - several reports on the FM forum; Adobe is looking > into it - there's a workaround involving editing the welcome.htm file > posted. It appears that some Win10 update has messed it up. > > Unopenable file - haven't got much to help you on that - maybe download > the 2020 trial and try opening a copy of it with that and if it works back > save it & as .mif > > From: Framers jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of > tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:29 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] FM2019 and gremlins > > So, > > > > I just opened FM2019 (Windows 10, 64-bit, fully updated) for the first time > in in about a month and a half and whoa. . . the Welcome screen has been > taken over by gremlins apparently. . . it has a totally different layout, > font size, different options etc. I had no idea that this was even > possible. . .I mean it's a desktop app with a perpetual license so the app > doesn't have to "phone home" when I launch it , but then even further, > after I opened the book that I last worked on 6 weeks ago, and for one file > in the book, I am getting the following message: > > > > The file "filename.fm" is not a FM file. Framemaker can try to open the > file > in either Framemaker or in the file's native application. Uh, the file > >>IS<< an FM file . . . I just worked on it 6 weeks ago w/out any issues. > > > > When I click on the Framemaker option, I then get a second message stating > that the file can't be opened with this version of FM. . . but it's a file > that I just opened 6 weeks ago. I punted and then tried the heroic open > option to no avail. > > > > I know the chances of this oddity being related to the Welcome screen > metamorphosis is pretty slim, but >>SOMETHING<< had to change in the app to > give me two issues at once. > > > > Thoughts I really, really need to be able to open this file. > > > > TIA, > > > > TVB > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > > https://url.avanan.click/v2/___www.spectrumwritingllc.com___.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzo4ODQ5NDEyMDllNTFhMjM0ZTAxODk4MDE0ZjUzMWMzNTo1OjEzYmE6NmVkMTkwOGU4YWIyMjA1M2Y2YTZhYmEwZmQyNTEzZDk4ZGI0ODYxNGExNmU1MDE4ODViOTVhODBjYzU2NjA2NjpwOk4 > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at > https://url.avanan.click/v2/___http://www.frameusers.com___.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzo4ODQ5NDEyMDllNTFhMjM0ZTAxODk4MDE0ZjUzMWMzNTo1OjYwZjc6ODYzNGIzNGVhZTMxNDU0YTkxYmYxNTZjNWQ4NzFiMGE2ZTcyZWFkNzBhOGQ1YmNhOTUyNDM1ZTU3MTZmNDYwNzpwOk4 > Archives located at > https://url.avanan.click/v2/___http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/___.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzo4ODQ5NDEyMDllNTFhMjM0ZTAxODk4MDE0ZjUzMWMzNTo1OjcwMmE6MzY3NzVhN2E4NjRlZTFkZDM4YzJjNjg0ZmY3ZGYwNTEzYmMzZjAxNTIwNjA3Y2Q4YWNlYTRjYThkYjNiZWNkOTpwOk4 > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://url.avanan.click/v2/___http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com___.YXAzOmpvbmFzY29ycG9yYXRlOmE6bzo4ODQ5NDEyMDllNTFhMjM0ZTAxODk4MDE0ZjUzMWMzNTo1OjNlMzE6YWRkZmZhNTVkZmZjOTY5NGI4ZjZjNDc3MDZjOTVjODhmZDE5YzUzNDhhODcyYjcyZmNhNTk3MmExYWZhOWFjNDpwOk4 > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] License update
You are correct. FM2019 was the last one you could buy a perpetual license for. Adobe no longer sells FM2019. I'd be wary of anyone claiming they still do unless you can verify that they are Adobe authorized resellers for retail software. On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:48 PM Michael Heine wrote: > It was my understanding that no perpetual licenses would be available > after Frame 2019. Is this correct -- Frame 2020 is subscription only? > Cheers, > Mike > > On 21.2.2022 16:01, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote: > > Hi Betrand, > > > > I agree. I would also switch to FM 2020. > > In my experience FM 2019 was more stable than previous versions > > and FM 2020 is more stable than FM 2019. > > > > Regarding Insight: That's the software provider from which we buy > > our licences. > > > > Best regards > > > > Winfried > > -- > These are the traditional lands of the Anishinaabek, > Haudenosaunee, Lūnaapéewak and Attawandaron peoples, > connected with the 1796 London Township and Sombra > Treaties, and the Dish with One Spoon Covenant Wampum > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker for Teams
The links on the Adobe site for FM frequently go off to Creative Cloud. I've mentioned the issue more than once for several years with no response. It's really sad when you're trying to use the download link for the latest version and it takes you to the downloads page for Creative Cloud apps! On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 9:38 AM Stephanie Hutchison < shutchi...@mraservices.net> wrote: > Hi! > > A couple of questions for those who have FrameMaker for Teams. > > > 1. Does this allow you to not have to log in and out of Adobe to switch > between FM and Creative Cloud apps. We currently have two "personal" > subscription copies of FM and it's very annoying since Adobe switched to > the profiles. > 2. FM for Teams still has to be purchased from a 3rd party? The Adobe > website acts like you can get it from them, but directs you to a CC team > page which doesn't include FM. > > Thanks, > Stephanie > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] An article that mentions FrameMaker
Fascinating! Thanks for the link, Rick. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 9:33 PM wrote: > Here is a link to an interesting article that mentions FrameMaker and shows > a screenshot of version 3.0: > > > > > https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/why-are-hyperlinks-blue-revisit > ed/ > <https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/why-are-hyperlinks-blue-revisited/> > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > 585-729-6746 > > r...@frameexpert.com <mailto:r...@frameexpert.com> > > http://www.frameexpert.com/store > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Finding an imported graphic of a specific type
If you open the Insets pod (FM 2019 and later, at least) and select All documents from the filter, it will list everything imported into your book and specify whether it's by reference or copy and which chapter it's located in. On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 10:59 AM tammyvb spectrumwritingllc.com < tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > They are imported and linked and they all are in specific folders; > however, I also needed to know what specific chapter each of the PNG’s was > in and I got that after generating the list because it gave me the figure > number for each graphic and the figure number indicated the chapter. > > Thank you! > > > > Sent from my iPhone. Blame Steve Jobs for any typos. > > > On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Caroline Tabach > wrote: > > > > Are they imported and not linked? > > > > > > If you had kept all the sources in a specific folder you could check > there > > > > Caroline Tabach > > > >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021, 23:49 , wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> > >> > >> I won't bore you w/ all the reasons why, but in a guide that I am > currently > >> writing, I need to be able to find all the imported graphics that are a > >> PNG. > >> I know how to find all the imported graphics by searching for a marker > >> type, > >> but that obviously gives me all types of imported graphics, regardless > of > >> the format (and I have PDFs and PNGs), and I need to specifically search > >> only for PNGs and there are HUNDREDS of graphics in this guide. > >> > >> > >> > >> What am I missing or is this even possible? > >> > >> > >> > >> TIA, > >> > >> > >> > >> TVB > >> > >> > >> > >> Tammy Van Boening > >> > >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >> > >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> > >> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >> > >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > >> Archives located at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >> > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software
Acrobat 8? You can't reactivate that any more. The activation servers have been shut off because they couldn't be kept running anymore, and the software won't work on new hardware/software. If you need to create PDFs, forms, have shared reviews, etc., you'll either have to subscribe to Acrobat or find another product. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:41 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > This is for Acrobat Standard 8.0 but I figure the issue's the same as > for FrameMaker. > > I've had this on my Windows 7 (now 10) system for four years without > trouble. A few weeks ago I installed Acrobat Reader because some > downloaded PDFs are not compatible. Today I got an activation dialog > that seems to be unable to connect to the expected server. The phone > number provided as an alternative (866 772 3623) seems to be dead. > > How do I deal with this? > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Query on FM Grammar Checking
There is no grammar checker built into FrameMaker, and as far as I know (and I could be very wrong), there are no plugins that provide that functionality. On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:45 AM IC30 Barry Meislin < barry.meis...@nuvoton.com> wrote: > Greetings, > I know that FM has a spell check feature. > Does it have a grammar checker? > If not, is there a work around (aside from converting to MSWord) that > might be used conveniently? > Thanks in advance, > Barry Meislin > > The privileged confidential information contained in this email is > intended for use only by the addressees as indicated by the original sender > of this email. If you are not the addressee indicated in this email or are > not responsible for delivery of the email to such a person, please kindly > reply to the sender indicating this fact and delete all copies of it from > your computer and network server immediately. Your cooperation is highly > appreciated. It is advised that any unauthorized use of confidential > information of Nuvoton is strictly prohibited; and any information in this > email irrelevant to the official business of Nuvoton shall be deemed as > neither given nor endorsed by Nuvoton. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
BLESS YOU! On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:52 AM Gust, Dieter wrote: > Winfried wrote: "You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the > Adobe website: > https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html; > The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of > long loading and scrolling times. > If you have the full Acrobat version, use this workaround: remove all PDF > tags and scrolling, loading and searching etc. works like a charm. > > Regards Dieter Gust > > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
Note also that the contents of the PDF and the online help are identical. It's useful if you're not connected, but it might actually be faster to use the online help if you are. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 11:00 AM Lin Sims wrote: > That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever to open > and searching also takes a while. This is weird, because the manual for > 2019 is a similar size but opens and searches quickly on the same machine. > I even tried to save it as optimized without any improvement. > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:18 AM Reng Winfried < > w.r...@carecom-solutions.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe website: >> https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html >> >> Best regards >> >> Winfried >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Framers > carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Blackmon, Ramona >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM >> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < >> framers@lists.frameusers.com> >> Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why >> so many of us feel the way we do >> >> Dennis, >> >> Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as >> reference? >> >> Ramona Blackmon >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Framers > fluke@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Hays >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:20 AM >> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so >> many of us feel the way we do >> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not >> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know >> the content is safe. >> >> >> >> Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows, I >> worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her), to >> address bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier and >> these were multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The reason I >> remember her name is because we talked almost daily and installation disks >> arrived weekly or more until the issue count dropped. >> >> Of course, I don't expect this level of customer service anymore from any >> software publisher, but through the years I have had bits and pieces of >> exemplary support. On a contract to bring a trade book to press, I worked >> with Dov over the phone as to why illustrations with schematics wouldn't >> reproduce lines. and this from the printer's site in Michigan. >> More recently, I worked with Adobe to resolve an issue where importing >> and converting a MS Word document crashed FrameMaker (MS Word Track Changes >> caused the problem - this was last year). >> >> I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an egregious >> affront to hold the software hostage when missing a subscription payment. >> From a business point of view, it's a cash flow solution, reducing the >> seasonal vagaries of software sales. But it's not customer-centric. And >> this is a problem. >> >> A while back, someone on this forum mentioned difficulty finding a >> FrameMaker manual. I have a 1241 page Adobe PDF version dated June 1, >> 2021 on the cover page. It's a 46MB file, but if anyone wants a copy, >> I'll post it where it can be downloaded. >> >> Dennis Hays >> Ex-Publisher of the now-extinct InFrame Magazine >> >> ___________ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
That PDF is useful but also a real pain, because it takes forever to open and searching also takes a while. This is weird, because the manual for 2019 is a similar size but opens and searches quickly on the same machine. I even tried to save it as optimized without any improvement. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:18 AM Reng Winfried wrote: > Hi, > > You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe website: > https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html > > Best regards > > Winfried > > -Original Message- > From: Framers carecom-solutions@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Blackmon, Ramona > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:00 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so > many of us feel the way we do > > Dennis, > > Yes, will you please post the FrameMaker manual you have for us to use as > reference? > > Ramona Blackmon > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers fluke@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:20 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so > many of us feel the way we do > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > > > Way back in the dark ages, when FrameMaker was first ported to Windows, I > worked with a FM staff member, Mercedes (still fondly remember her), to > address bugs and issues. She sent me updates via overnight courier and > these were multiple disk sets, calling for a fresh install. The reason I > remember her name is because we talked almost daily and installation disks > arrived weekly or more until the issue count dropped. > > Of course, I don't expect this level of customer service anymore from any > software publisher, but through the years I have had bits and pieces of > exemplary support. On a contract to bring a trade book to press, I worked > with Dov over the phone as to why illustrations with schematics wouldn't > reproduce lines. and this from the printer's site in Michigan. > More recently, I worked with Adobe to resolve an issue where importing and > converting a MS Word document crashed FrameMaker (MS Word Track Changes > caused the problem - this was last year). > > I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an egregious > affront to hold the software hostage when missing a subscription payment. > From a business point of view, it's a cash flow solution, reducing the > seasonal vagaries of software sales. But it's not customer-centric. And > this is a problem. > > A while back, someone on this forum mentioned difficulty finding a > FrameMaker manual. I have a 1241 page Adobe PDF version dated June 1, > 2021 on the cover page. It's a 46MB file, but if anyone wants a copy, I'll > post it where it can be downloaded. > > Dennis Hays > Ex-Publisher of the now-extinct InFrame Magazine > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in the beta program get to download beta versions. :D On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote: > Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support > gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually released or if I > have > a beta. Nobody said anything. > > The vendor was told to use FrameMaker 2019 and made a mistake and sent 2020 > files. I don't know if they are part of a beta or not. I was expecting 2019 > files, which I can open, so didn't ask for MIF. > > This opens more questions than those I originally asked Anyone in the > know, feel free to chime in. > > Cheers, > > Sean > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
Matt has published Working with Content 2020, which is for the most recent version of Frame. It's based on the Scriptorium Using FrameMaker 8, and it's pretty helpful. I do recommend it if you're sick of the online help. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 6:33 PM wrote: > I will say among the many things that annoy about Adobe, the one that > really, really annoys me is that it purports itself to be a technical > communication company, yet after around FM 6.0, the absolutely FANTASTIC > User guides that they produced to support the use of their products just > when down the tubes . . .zip, zilch, nada for how many years now? I still > have my very dog-eared, tattered Frame bibles that were sent w/ FM 5.5.6, > 6.0 and 7.0 and they are my life-savers to this day when I need to remember > how to do something that I haven't done in a long time. Nowadays, you're > left to hunting and pecking out on the web, hoping like H*LL that someone > in a forum has had the same problem asked and answered, or that in Adobe's > lame excuse for Online documentation for any product, that you find a hint > of what you need. > > I was stuck using RH2019 WAY before it was ready for prime time a few > years ago and if it weren't for Matt Sullivan's class, and the support of > Peter Grainger, and Surbhi Maheshwari directly from Adobe, I would have > just slit my wrists and it shouldn't have had to be like that at all. > Adobe's online "documentation" was so lame - grossly incomplete, flat out > wrong in places, missing critical information. How on earth did they expect > anyone to be able to use a brand new product w/out any decent user > documentation - by osmosis or serendipitously? > > And yes, I agree - Adobe has D*MNED good products that meet the needs of > projects unlike any other product, but w/out competent and timely support - > either the human kind or the user guide kind - it doesn't matter. If you > can't use the product the correct way and to its fullest extent, what's the > point? > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
They must, or it wouldn't still be being updated and sold. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 4:03 PM Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 13:24 -0400 14/10/21, Lin Sims wrote: > > >Interleaf still exists, but it's called Quicksilver these days. > > So I've heard - but does anyone use it? > > -- > Steve > _______ > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019
The current version of FrameMaker is 16.03.979. It was released last July/August and has had 3 updates so far. Frame's update function is busticated, but that seems to be an issue with Adobe's website. You have to download it from the trial page. As long as you're subscribed, it should install just fine. Every now and again I yell at people in the ACP program or the TCS support about how busted the download and update on the website are. The link from your account page to update Frame still, after 3 years (at least) takes you to the update page for Creative Cloud! Generally speaking, most of the updates were for DITA but there were some nice things added for us non-structured people. There's a navigation pane now that can be used to navigate within a document. Right now it's file-based, but there's hope that they'll be adding book-level navigation soon. They've also added a utility you can use to split files down into multiple files based on a tag name. It has XLIFF capability for translation services, although that requires use of structured/DITA. And it FINALLY has a button for converting selected text to sentence case. ;-) They also added buttons to remove a row or column from a table, which has proven useful. https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:50 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? > Possibly an NDA violation? > > Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? > > Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it > was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 12:28 PM wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I was using FM 2019 sporadically. I received files back from a translator > > in > > a version of FM I could not open. Notpad showed it was FM 16, which I > found > > was 2020. > > > > > > > > I was never notified by Adobe about the new version, any upgrade, etc., > > despite being subscribed. That was a bit annoying. > > > > > > > > Anyway, after a lengthy but successful support call, I was shown a secret > > URL where I could get this new version of FrameMaker, downloaded it, and > > installed it. > > > > > > > > The icon looks the same as FM 2019. The new version self-identifies as > > version 16, not 2020. I don't see any obvious changes off the bat. Anyone > > have any idea what the new changes to FM 2020 are, other than 2019 cannot > > open 2020 files? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
Interleaf still exists, but it's called Quicksilver these days. https://broadvision.com/products/quicksilver/quicksilver-overview/ On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:24 PM Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:55 -0600 12/10/21, wrote: > > I tend to agree: all software eventually 'dies' as technology moves on. > Look at Interleaf, for example. But with the cost and effort required to > rewrite FrameMaker from scratch, including structure support, I don't see > it happening. In theory, though, it can be done incrementally, using code > refactoring. > > There is a maybe bright light on the horizon for us old folk. I read that > Cobol programmers can command astronomical fees these days to keep > 'essential' banking software alive. Just an idea... :-) > > -- > Steve > _______ > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
The OS keeps changing my default printer on me behind my back. I don't let Windows manage my printers. I even edited the registry to ensure this. But every few days, the damn thing moves default from Adobe Printer to something else. No one can figure out why or how to make it stop, and if the developers of this little piece of insanity were in front of me, I'd rip 'em a new one. On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:37 PM A Craig wrote: > > We bought our new computers just before the Win 11 specs came out, and > despite being excellent computers, they don't have the required built-in > security "stuff" to qualify for Win 11. Maybe we'll see some firmware > updates to help us along. I'd even pay a small fee for that (less than > $50). > > And I agree that MS needs to stop telling me how I want to use my > computer, because most of the time they are wrong . > > Alison > > > From: "Lin Sims" > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2021 11:25:39 > Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility? > > Good thing, too. They've locked the taskbar to the bottom of the screen > with no option to move it, which makes me very annoyed as I like it on the > right. I have no plans to upgrade until they either put it back or someone > comes up with an app to reorganize the screen the way _I_ want it to be. > > I know my processor has TPM, but it's a slightly older Intel (i7 something > or other). Right now Microspend is saying that you need at least an i8, > but > I have hopes this just means they haven't tested it on an i7 and that will > still work. I only bought this machine 3 years ago, and I plan for it to > last me for at least another 3. More if I'm lucky. > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain > wrote: > > > Hmmm ... apparently because Microsoft wants to "add better security". > Thus > > the need for the TPM (available in Intel cpu's from the past ten+ > years). > > > > The other requirements of speed, ram, disk space, etc., don't see _that_ > > steep to me. Our IT guy says that everything we have (nearly 300 Windows > > systems - some are 8+ years old) meets the new requirements _if_ we > chose > > to upgrade them to Windows 11. > > > > Even my older Mac (also running Parallels for Windows 10) from 2012 will > > work - Parallels says that the TPM requirement will be met with a > virtual > > implementation, since the Mac does not provide access to the TPM - they > > have their own security chip. > > > > FWIW, Windows 10 will be supported through 2025, so no absolute "have to > > upgrade" the OS for a while. > > > > Z > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers aeris@lists.frameusers.com> > > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 1:59 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility? > > > > Interesting that Windows 11 has such steep CPU requirements. That's not > > something I look for in an operating system. > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >
Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
Good thing, too. They've locked the taskbar to the bottom of the screen with no option to move it, which makes me very annoyed as I like it on the right. I have no plans to upgrade until they either put it back or someone comes up with an app to reorganize the screen the way _I_ want it to be. I know my processor has TPM, but it's a slightly older Intel (i7 something or other). Right now Microspend is saying that you need at least an i8, but I have hopes this just means they haven't tested it on an i7 and that will still work. I only bought this machine 3 years ago, and I plan for it to last me for at least another 3. More if I'm lucky. On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 2:16 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > Hmmm ... apparently because Microsoft wants to "add better security". Thus > the need for the TPM (available in Intel cpu's from the past ten+ years). > > The other requirements of speed, ram, disk space, etc., don't see _that_ > steep to me. Our IT guy says that everything we have (nearly 300 Windows > systems - some are 8+ years old) meets the new requirements _if_ we chose > to upgrade them to Windows 11. > > Even my older Mac (also running Parallels for Windows 10) from 2012 will > work - Parallels says that the TPM requirement will be met with a virtual > implementation, since the Mac does not provide access to the TPM - they > have their own security chip. > > FWIW, Windows 10 will be supported through 2025, so no absolute "have to > upgrade" the OS for a while. > > Z > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2021 1:59 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility? > > Interesting that Windows 11 has such steep CPU requirements. That's not > something I look for in an operating system. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
Remember, my upgrade was for subscriptions managed through Teams. This might have made a difference, since Teams is automatically a Business subscription no matter how you slice it. On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 3:41 AM Sue Thomson wrote: > Thank you @Jeff Coates. Stefan Gentz and a member of the TCS support team > have been in touch. We are trying to set up a meeting between Adobe support > and our internal IT support. > > @Lin Sims, It's good to know that it is possible for this to work. Maybe > there is light at the end of the tunnel. > > @TammyVB, Maybe it's worth checking with Adobe to see how to avoid getting > into this situation. If @Lin Sims' upgrade worked without problems, perhaps > you can still recommend the FrameMaker route to your client. > > > Sue T > > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Coatsworth > Sent: 24 September 2021 15:07 > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal > > I've reached out to Stefan Gentz & he's forwarded Sue's info to the TCS > team, but because it's a world-wide Adobe day off, we shouldn't expect an > response from them until at least Monday. > > > ____ > From: Framers jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lin Sims < > ljsims...@gmail.com> > Sent: September 24, 2021 8:23 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal > > That is weird. I updated to FM16.03 when it came out, and I don't recall > being asked if it was a business or personal profile or any kind of profile > at all. I also have the full CC installed and have had no issues switching > back and forth. > > On the other hand, both subscriptions are Teams, so maybe the people your > IT team talked to don't know what they're talking about. Did you contact > tcs...@adobe.com? > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 11:13 AM Sue Thomson > wrote: > > > Hi folks > > > > I use FrameMaker (as part of Technical Communication Suite), and a > > number of Creative Cloud apps (mainly Illustrator but I also use > > others > > occasionally) all day. I usually run FrameMaker and Illustrator at the > > same time, switching between them tens of times during the day. > > > > I recently updated FrameMaker from v16.0.2 to 16.0.3. When I restarted > > FrameMaker I was prompted to choose an Adobe Profile. The choice was > > Business or Personal. There was no way (that I could see) to progress > > without making a choice. > > > > I had not heard of these profiles before so I looked at the guidance > > on the page and chose Business. > > > > Oh, boy! How I wish I had not updated FrameMaker. These profiles are > > causing me no end of trouble. > > > > Our IT department has been talking to Adobe, and IT tells me that > > Adobe says… TCS and FM are only available under Personal profile, > > Creative Cloud apps are only available under Business profile. > > > > This means that now, every time I want to switch between two > > applications (which have been running perfectly happily, side-by-side, > > for years), I have to sign out of one profile and sign back in under the > other profile. > > The applications, of course, close each time I sign out. If I don’t > > change profiles, then either FrameMaker or Illustrator (depending upon > > how I am signed in) claims to be a trial version, with a countdown. > > > > Oddly, if I right-click on an image in FrameMaker I still get the same > > old choices to edit the image – i.e. Illustrator and Photoshop are > > still on the list of options. > > > > Has anyone else come across issues with these new profiles? Am I > > missing a trick somewhere? > > > > I’ve been using FrameMaker, on-and-off, since v7.2 but this change is > > making me re-evaluate my tools. I’m seriously wondering if it is time > > to give up on Adobe and switch to something more useable. > > > > Sue Thomson MISTC > > Senior Technical Author > > Specialist Radio Frequency > > > > > > [Description: cid:image001.jpg@01D5D132.0EDB9820] > > > > Ultra Intelligence and Communications > > A8, Cody Technology Park, Ively Road, > > Farnborough, Hampshire GU14 0LX, United Kingdom > > T: +44 (0) 1252 512 951 x 5644 > > > > www.ultra.group/ultra-ewst<http://www.ultra.group/ultra-ewst<http://ww > > w.ultra.group/ultra-ewst<http://www.ultra.group/ultra-ewst>> > > > > >
Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
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Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height
Oh, bloody hell. I know it's necessary, but what a PITA. Well, what you could do is just create a separate FM document with tables set up the way you want and do a C That's pretty much what Autotext does, but it lets you add them as menu items so you don't have to go looking for them. On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 4:17 PM A Craig wrote: > > I'd love to use several Silicon Prairie plug-ins, but my request is stuck > with International IT where they have to assess the plug-ins for security > risks. > > It's already been there at least 4 months and is likely to take several > more to get an answer. > > Fingers crossed. > > Alison > > > From: "Lin Sims" > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: Monday, 30 August, 2021 11:40:28 > Subject: Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height > > > > Nope. There's no place on the table designer to do that, and when I > changed > the row heights on a table and updated the style, it still came in with > the > standard 0/14 for minimum and maximum. > > I've found the Autotext plugin from Silicon Prairie to be a great tool for > things like table formats I use all the time. It's pretty cheap and worth > the effort of setting up. > > On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM A Craig wrote: > > > > > Is there a way to set the minimum Row Height in a Table style? > > > > Every time I add a table using my "General" style (and I have lots of > > them), I have to manually set the minimum Row Height to 5.5. > > > > Is there a way to automate this setting by somehow including it in the > > Table style? > > > > Alison > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table Style: Including a Minimum Row Height
Nope. There's no place on the table designer to do that, and when I changed the row heights on a table and updated the style, it still came in with the standard 0/14 for minimum and maximum. I've found the Autotext plugin from Silicon Prairie to be a great tool for things like table formats I use all the time. It's pretty cheap and worth the effort of setting up. On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM A Craig wrote: > > Is there a way to set the minimum Row Height in a Table style? > > Every time I add a table using my "General" style (and I have lots of > them), I have to manually set the minimum Row Height to 5.5. > > Is there a way to automate this setting by somehow including it in the > Table style? > > Alison > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Quality of vector graphics created in FrameMaker is bad in CMYK PDF output
Link for 10674 is: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-10674 On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 3:18 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > Dear all, > In the German FM forum ( > https://groups.google.com/g/frameusers-de/c/r52QypX3oQs) a > severe bug is reported. It appears not only in FM-15 (2019), but also in > FM-16 > (2020): > > Graphical elements containing curves or circles, created with the > corresponding > FrameMaker tools, are not output to PDF as bezier curves. Instead there > are very > rough and segmented lines only approximating the original curves or > circles. This > function has been working perfectly in FrameMaker 2015 (all curves ended > up as bezier > curves in CMYK PDFs), but is broken/bad since FrameMaker 2019. This > quality is > unusable for printable PDF output. > > Please vote on the two bug-reports > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-10670 and > 10674 > > There is still need for CMYK support even in the time of 'responsive > HTML5'. New > legal regulations in the medical field (e.g. IVDR) even lead to more > rather than > fewer printed manuals in some places. > > Klaus > > ~~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
And yes, I'm sure they were talking about Master pages, but that's not really what Master pages do, either! On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:08 PM Lin Sims wrote: > The information on the Auto Save option is incorrect, and I've never heard > of the "Page Master" tool. Admittedly I haven't used FM as long as you > have, Syed, but I've used it since 5.5.6 and I have never seen a feature > that lets you "merge all your document into one page". > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
The information on the Auto Save option is incorrect, and I've never heard of the "Page Master" tool. Admittedly I haven't used FM as long as you have, Syed, but I've used it since 5.5.6 and I have never seen a feature that lets you "merge all your document into one page". On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > I have no real clue about Affinity, but you may find this interesting: > https://fixthephoto.com/adobe-framemaker-vs-affinity-publisher.html > > For me, I switched to LaTeX (for my technical documents) after FM12 when > the pricing/upgrade costs went berserk (IMHO), and from InDesign (minimal > use really) and Photoshop to various Xara tools - now integrated into their > Designer Pro lineup. > > The price is right for those replacement tools, and they do exactly what I > need from them. With rational licensing and upgrade prices! > > YMMV, of course. > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?
Sorry for the no doubt massive tedium you're experiencing now. I had a thought that maybe converting the Word file to XML (via the ZIP option) and opening the XML in Structured Frame might work, but it doesn't. The XML file needs some sort of schema or something like that and, of course, it doesn't have one. Poop. So much for that idea. On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 12:41 PM wrote: > So, > > > > Remember that game show "The weakest link?" Well, that's what keeps going > through my head as I ask myself "Is this your final answer?" > > > > First, I truly and sincerely appreciate everyone's input and advice to this > issue. It helped to me to feel not so alone in my quest. Second, I will > summarize at a very high level the results of investigating all that I > investigated and what I ultimately had to do. > > > > 1. For Export to PDF - There are no special settings that I could find > anywhere that would help me get the equations recognized as images when > exporting to PDF. The equations remained recognized as text. > 2. For Export to PDF/XPS - There was a single setting that I could try > (Optimize for Image Quality), but again, the equations were not being > recognized as images. Only text. > 3. For Save As HTM/HTML - I tried Lin's recommendations (Save > > Advanced, and Web Options) at a size of Cambria Math 14 point, many > subscripts, especially those with a descender such as a "j" were still > being > cut off. A "j" actually looked like an "i," for example. > 4. For Save as HTM/HTML - I incorporated Lin's recommendations along > with Sue's to increase the font size (this was also found as a work-around > when googling this issue until my fingers bled) and voila, it helped with > the cutting off of the descenders in a subscript, but introduced another > issue. Although in the Word document an equation remained on a single line > at the increased font size, when extracted as PNGs, these equations were > now > turned into multi-line equations at arbitrary points so the equation was > not > pleasing or easy to read or consistent in layout. Operators were left > randomly on their own lines, some lines had only two equation variables, > others had three, etc. > > > > I have just punted at this point. I have worked off-book way too many hours > to try and resolve this issue further. I am going w/ the PDF solution of > saving the Word file to a PDF, and then cropping each equation to the size > that I need and importing the PDF into the FM document. As vector images, > scaling the PDF to view is not an issue and I can now at least save the > equations to a single folder with each equation image having a unique name > and I can import each equation into the multiple documents as I need. If I > need to make a change to an equation, I can make a change in the original > Word doc., save as a PDF with the appropriate name and voila, all the > documents that have this equation imported will be updated en masse and the > information won't get out of sync across multiple documents. The only > thing > that I will simplify going forward is to have each equation in its on Word > file so that I can deal w/ one PDF at a time and not have to take an extra > step to crop each equation individually out of the PDF file. > > > > Again, I sincerely and truly appreciate all the effort, thoughts, and > advice > that was supplied. This list just rocks w/ incredibly talented and > knowledgeable folks that always go the extra mile. I hope to be able to pay > it forward someday. > > > > Happy Monday > > > > TVB > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > > > > > > _ > > > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-e > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>> > Scanned by McAfee > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-e > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>> > and confirmed virus-free. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@li
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
I think I mentioned it, earlier, but I no longer recall if Tammy tried it or not. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Ummm... I thought about going outside the box and searched the web for > extracting images from PDF. One of the interesting results suggested using > Export all images from within Acrobat. Of course, one needs to start by > saving or exporting the Word source document to PDF. I don't have a running > version of FM to import an exported TIFF, JPG, or PNG and evaluate the > result. Could be worth a try. IIRC, this isn't one of the methods you've > mentioned. > > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
I did a quick trial run. For whatever reason, converting to html provided TWO PNG files, one that had a good quality and one that was just miserable. The good quality one is still raster, not vector, but it looked pretty good up to about 400% or so. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 4:16 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin harnessed the Force using Yoda-wisdom: "The sound of the right answer > comes from asking the right question! " > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 3:08 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher > > quality: > > > > > >- > > > >In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, > check > >"Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High > >fidelity. > >- > > > >In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a > >screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels per > inch > > to > >120 ppi. > > > > > > This is from: > > > > > https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decreases-quality-of-equations > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > > > > > Here is a summary of the issue: > > > > > > Equations originate from the client in MS Word. > > > > > > Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker. > > > > > > The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it > > > rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The > > > problem > > > is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which > is > > > suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase > > the > > > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
I think I found the answer for how to get the PNG files to a higher quality: - In Word, under File / Options / Advanced / Image Size and Quality, check "Do Not Compress Images in File" and change the default output to High fidelity. - In the Save As dialog box, Tools / Web Options / Pictures, choose a screen size in higher quality such as 1920x1200 and set pixels per inch to 120 ppi. This is from: https://superuser.com/questions/1282555/saving-word-file-as-html-decreases-quality-of-equations On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 3:46 PM wrote: > Here is a summary of the issue: > > Equations originate from the client in MS Word. > > Tammy wants to save the equations as images for import into FrameMaker. > > The fastest way to do this is to save the Word file as HTML because it > rasterizes the equations as PNG files for inclusion in the HTML. The > problem > is that the resolution of these rasterized PNG files is 96 dpi, which is > suitable for the web, but not for print. We can't see a way to increase the > resolution in the Word rasterization process. > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
What I was thinking was import the one RTF file into FrameMaker, then save the graphics out since once it's in Frame it's a PNG. Someone like Rick Quatro or Russ Ward or Bernard Aschwanden probably has a script that does that already, or can write one for not too much money. Although from the point of wanting a vector graphic, Rick's workaround is obviously a better solution and probably about equally tedious. :) You can join the Word-PD list here: word-pc-subscribe-requ...@liverpool.ac.uk You don't have to put anything in the subject or message body. Good luck. I'm sorry we haven't been able to come up with anything beyond a really, really manual solution so far. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:55 PM wrote: > Hi Lin, No worries about your instructions. I am still kinda' in the same > boat in that the equations are all in one great big file, so I would have > to > make multiple files to import as RTF. Where can I find this Word-PC list? > Do > you have a website/link at all? And thank you so much! TVB Tammy Van > Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers On > Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 11:49 AM To: An email list > for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] > Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF As another thought, you might > try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if anyone has a suggestion > for > how to get the equations OUT of Word in a format you can use? On Fri, Aug > 6, > 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF > into FrameMaker. The result > in FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm sorry, I > think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29 > PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and > nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They > remained as equations. >> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . > Tammy Van Boening >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: Framers >> On > Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email > list for people using Adobe >> FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] > Appearance of graphics in >> the generated PDF Well, that sucks. If it's > any > help, when Word >> converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It > should be >> possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do > >> something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from >> > the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't know > if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something >> to consider. On Fri, > Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank >> you for the approach. The > extra rub is that I need to > produce >> another document that uses the > exact same equations but w/out > all >> the text of this current guide >> - > basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to >> > share > them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word >> and save > to PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into >> multiple > documents and have just > one location (the Word document) >> where I would > maintain updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a >> variation of this w/ > saving the Word doc > to a PDF, cropping the >> document to get the > equation > that I need as a > PDF and importing as >> a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at > least I can > share among multiple >> files and as w/ your approach, I now > have vector > files for the >> images, not rasterized files, so they remain > crisp and > clear no >> matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric > were on the > same >> page- great minds do think alike!) I just wish there > was a way to > >> automate this, but for now, I will plow through unless > someone comes >> > up w/ a different approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy > Van Boening >> > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > >> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims >> > ___ This message is from >> the > Framers mailing list Send messages to >> framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit > the list's homepage at >> http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe >> > and > unsubscribe at >
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
As another thought, you might try posting to the Word-PC email list and see if anyone has a suggestion for how to get the equations OUT of Word in a format you can use? On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 1:45 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF into FrameMaker. The result in > FrameMaker was a PNG. > > I'm sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :( > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29 PM wrote: > >> Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, >> zilch. >> . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations. >> It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy >> dot >> vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com >> -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: >> Friday, >> August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker >> software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated >> PDF >> Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the >> equations >> are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I >> think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export >> images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. >> Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to >> consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for >> the >> approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that >> uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current >> guide >> - basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to >> share >> them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save >> to >> PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple >> documents >> and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain >> updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the >> Word >> doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as >> a > >> PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share >> among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files >> for >> the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no >> matter >> the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great >> minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but >> for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different >> approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at >> spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims >> ___ This message is from the >> Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit >> the >> list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and >> unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send >> administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com Scanned by McAfee >> and >> confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO >> >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
I saved to RTF and then imported the RTF into FrameMaker. The result in FrameMaker was a PNG. I'm sorry, I think I didn't make that clear before. :( On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:29 PM wrote: > Hi Lin, OK, just saved one of the equation docs to RTF and nada, zip, > zilch. > . . the equations were not converted to PNGs. They remained as equations. > It's just a simple save to RTF, right? GRR . . . Tammy Van Boening Tammy > dot > vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: > Friday, > August 6, 2021 9:26 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker > software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated > PDF > Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the > equations > are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I > think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export > images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. > Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to > consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for > the > approach. The extra rub is that I need to > produce another document that > uses the exact same equations but w/out > all the text of this current > guide > - basically, just an appendix of > equations, so I need to be able to share > them among multiple files. I > was trying to write once in Word and save to > PNG so that I could > obviously import by reference into multiple documents > and have just > one location (the Word document) where I would maintain > updates. > Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ saving the > Word > doc > to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation that I need as a > > > PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I can > share > among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files for > the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and > clear no > matter > the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the > same page- great > minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to > automate this, but > for now, I will plow through unless someone comes > up w/ a different > approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at > spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims > ___ This message is from the > Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit > the > list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and > unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send > administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com Scanned by McAfee and > confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Well, that sucks. If it's any help, when Word converts to RTF, the equations are turned into PNGs. It should be possible to save them out separately. I think. Never had to do something like that with Word. Also, you can export images only from the PDF file to PNG, JPEG, JPEG2000, and TIFF formats. Again, don't know if that'll be useful, but I offer it as something to consider. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:10 AM wrote: > Hi Lin, Thank you for the approach. The extra rub is that I need to produce > another document that uses the exact same equations but w/out all the text > of this current guide - basically, just an appendix of equations, so I need > to be able to share them among multiple files. I was trying to write once > in > Word and save to PNG so that I could obviously import by reference into > multiple documents and have just one location (the Word document) where I > would maintain updates. Compliments of Ric, I have a variation of this w/ > saving the Word doc to a PDF, cropping the document to get the equation > that > I need as a PDF and importing as a PDF. Yes, very tedious, but at least I > can share among multiple files and as w/ your approach, I now have vector > files for the images, not rasterized files, so they remain crisp and clear > no matter the zoom level in the PDF. (So you and Ric were on the same page- > great minds do think alike!) I just wish there was a way to automate this, > but for now, I will plow through unless someone comes up w/ a different > approach. Thank you again! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at > spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Also, below is what I suggested on the Adobe community, in case you hadn't seen it yet: Just for giggles, I tried saving a Word file with an equation in it as an RTF and then using Frame to open the file. The equation came over okay, and when I save the file to PDF, it looks the same in the PDF file as in the Frame or Word files. Perhaps what you can do is save the Word file with all the equations as RTF, then open it in Frame and just copy the relevant equations into place as you go? You won't be able to update them as they get imported as PNGs, but they look crisp enough to me. Note: I am using Word 365 and FrameMaker 2020, fully patched. I do not know how or if this will work in earlier versions, but it surely can't hurt to try. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:38 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Ouch. My sympathies. > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:24 AM wrote: > >> I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations. >> They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in >> a >> tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening >> at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original >> Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, >> 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. >> Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF >> Probably >> a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in >> Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 >> PM >> wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The >> equations >> are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > >> editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > >> equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate >> folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click >> an >> equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image >> editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not >> doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without >> any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image >> into >> Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I >> select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during >> the >> saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic >> Scaling >> dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to >> me >> > (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and > >> crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in > >> SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation >> of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost >> as >> if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in >> the >> FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source >> FM >> document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the >> font >> that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a >> default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font >> that >> is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black >> without >> any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by >> different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the >> equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics >> are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any >> other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by >> reference >> as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a >> loss >> for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get >> this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the >> equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > >> > > >> > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC >> > >> > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > 303-840-1755 > > > > > _ > > > < > >> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign= > >> sig-e > > >> mail_content=emailcl
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Ouch. My sympathies. On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 10:24 AM wrote: > I am not the one responsible for creating and maintaining the equations. > They are maintained by a SME on the client side and the SME needs them in a > tool that he can use which is Word. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening > at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original > Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Friday, August 6, > 2021 6:06 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > Subject: Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF Probably > a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in > Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM > wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations > are > being created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation > > editor. The .docx file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the > > equations in the document are automatically saved as .pngs in a > separate > folder named as image.(n), where n is the image number. I > double-click an > equation in this folder to automatically open the > equation in my image > editor (SnagIT - I don't need anything as heavy > as Photoshop as I am not > doing any modifications to the equations) and > save the equation without > any changes to it whatsoever with a new > name. I then import the image > into > Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I > select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during > the > saving of > the Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling > dialog > box when I select it for import and although this seems nutty to > me > > (because none of the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and > > crisp in the source FM file (The Advanced Properties of any image in > > SnagIT is also showing a resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon > generation > of the PDF, it goes to h*ll in a handbasket. The equation > looks almost as > if the font is almost bold and therefore much darker > than the text in the > FM source file, and it's not nearly as crisp and > clear as in the source > FM > document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the > font > that was being used in the equations is Cambria > Math, Size 14 with a > default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font > that > is being used in the book is also set to a default > color of black without > any lightening of the color.) I tried > lightening the font color by > different percentages in the Word > document and then regenerated the > equations as graphics, and that > helps a bit, but overall, these graphics > are just not nearly as crisp > as they need to be in the final PDF. Any > other graphics that were > taken as a capture and then imported by > reference > as PNG are as crisp > as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a > loss > for how to get this cleared up, but it's > absolutely mandatory that I get > this problem resolved because the > whole focus of the book is the > equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > 303-840-1755 > > > > > _ > > > < > > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign= > > sig-e > > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_camp > > aign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > > > Scanned by McAfee > < > > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign= > > sig-e > > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_camp > > aign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > > =sig-email_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link > > m_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>> > and confirmed virus-free. > > > ___ > > This message is from > the > Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit > the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe > and > unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send > administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims > ___ This messa
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Probably a stupid question, but is there a reason you're creating the equations in Word rather than in Frame's Equation Editor? On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 6:32 PM wrote: > I have an equation-laden document that I am writing. The equations are > being > created in a Word doc (.docx) using Word's native equation editor. The > .docx > file is then saved as an .htm/.html file and all the equations in the > document are automatically saved as .pngs in a separate folder named as > image.(n), where n is the image number. I double-click an equation in this > folder to automatically open the equation in my image editor (SnagIT - I > don't need anything as heavy as Photoshop as I am not doing any > modifications to the equations) and save the equation without any changes > to > it whatsoever with a new name. I then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. I don't mess w/ the dpi of the image when I select it for > import - any image in the folder that was created during the saving of the > Word file shows a dpi of 96 in the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog box when > I select it for import and although this seems nutty to me (because none of > the images are over-sized). . . they look clear and crisp in the source FM > file (The Advanced Properties of any image in SnagIT is also showing a > resolution of 96 dpi); however, upon generation of the PDF, it goes to > h*ll > in a handbasket. The equation looks almost as if the font is almost bold > and > therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not > nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. > > > > Initially, the font that was being used in the equations is Cambria Math, > Size 14 with a default color of black without any lightening of the color. > (The font that is being used in the book is also set to a default color of > black without any lightening of the color.) I tried lightening the font > color by different percentages in the Word document and then regenerated > the > equations as graphics, and that helps a bit, but overall, these graphics > are > just not nearly as crisp as they need to be in the final PDF. Any other > graphics that were taken as a capture and then imported by reference as > PNG > are as crisp as I am used to in FM. > > > > > > I am just at a loss for how to get this cleared up, but it's absolutely > mandatory that I get this problem resolved because the whole focus of the > book is the equations. > > > > Any thoughts are sincerely appreciated. > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Principal/Owner > > Spectrum Writing, LLC > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com <http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > 303-840-1755 > > > > > _ > > > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-e > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>> > Scanned by McAfee > < > https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-e > > mail_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=s > ig-email_content=emailclient > <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>> > and confirmed virus-free. > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM10 templates
For those who do have more recent versions of FM, Adobe put their
professionally designed templates back in the installation, those same
templates can be found in:
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe FrameMaker 2020\Samples\MoreSamples
Ken, it's probable that those very templates are still installed on your
computer if you have FM10. I don't remember if they were accessible through
File > New > Explore Standard Templates, but I have distinct recollections
of a nice little popup that lets you choose between them, and they'll be in
whatever your current version of Frame is, so no messages about updating to
the current format.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 12:42 PM A Craig wrote:
>
> Hi Ken:
>
> I found this link (" The Adobe FrameMaker Template Series is a collection
> of over 150 professionally designed templates "): [
> https://www.frameusers.com/tools/ | https://www.frameusers.com/tools/ ]
>
> Alison
>
>
> From: "Ken Poshedly"
> To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 4 August, 2021 09:37:33
> Subject: [Framers] FM10 templates
>
> Hey gang,
> I'm now doing a company newsletter (contract job) and could use some help
> in locating a few FrameMaker 10 (yes, "10") newsletter templates. (I'm
> retired and on SS, so upgrading to subscription-only FM is out of the
> question. Plus, I own what I have and it works just fine for my needs.)
> My client is a family-owned construction company and I have a sample of
> one of the previous company newsletters (done in [ugh!] Word), but prefer
> to do mine in Frame, since Word just seems to glitch frequently with me.
> The sample is attractive, but has no general layout "theme" (at least to
> me).
>
> I've done the usual online search and see nice things, but prefer not to
> have to actually build headings and styles and such from scratch if a
> ready-made template is available.
>
> So any ideas for FM10 newsletter templates? Anybody? Beuhler?
> -- Ken in Atlanta
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Re: [Framers] Welcome to the new FrameUsers List Mom
Thank you, Bernard. I look forward to many more years of this list helping me and others. On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 1:03 PM Carol J. Elkins wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to introduce you to the new FrameUsers List Mom. It is none > other than (drum roll please)... > > Bernard Aschwanden > > Already well known and well loved by many of us on the list, Bernard > will be a great List Mom, and I have every confidence that he will > maintain the integrity and quality of the listserv. > > I think the handover will go really smoothly, but if you do > experience any bumps or anomalies, please let Bernard know. Email him > at listad...@frameusers.com > > It has been such a pleasure working with you all. And it is YOU who > make this list rock. Keep doing what you've been doing. > > Carol Elkins > former List Mom > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] FrameMaker Training Course, free for a short time
Adobe announced this on LinkedIn: We recently launched an online training course for Adobe #FrameMaker <https://www.linkedin.com/feed/hashtag/?keywords=framemaker=urn%3Ali%3Aactivity%3A6813093479330177024> which includes 2 hours+ video-based on-demand tutorials, interactive tests, and Adobe-issued downloadable PDF certificate. Link to the course: https://adobe.ly/3d2lFUw -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backups
According to Rick Quatro, no it can't. He did write a script that will backup to a different folder, but you have to hardcode the new location in the script. You can find information about it and download the script from here: http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/ On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 8:16 AM D B wrote: > Is there a way to have FrameMaker save the automatic backup files in a > sub-folder below the project folder? I see where to turn on/off the > backups, but not any way to specify where to save them. > > Having those backups in the same location makes the folder much too busy, > IMO. > > I'm using Frame 14. > > Thanks, > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Pronouns (was Re: Paragraph numbering)
No need to apologize, there was no way for you to know without my telling you, especially as it's a nickname. On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 4:36 PM Lynne A. Price wrote: > I'm so sorry, Lin. My parents always told me that Lynn could be either a > man's name or a woman's, but Lynne was always a woman's. They didn't > mention other spellings and certainly never anticipated that > gender-specific terminology would become a social flaw. > > --Lynne > > On 6/15/2021 1:27 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > (And I'm female, btw. Not that it's easy to tell from my name!) > > -- > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > lpr...@txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com > voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Paragraph numbering
In addition to Lynne's excellent explanation, I'd like to add that while you can leave the trailing placeholders out of your autonumber definitions, it is generally recommended that they be used so that you have a visual reminder of how many characters are included. This becomes really important when you try to set up a single series to handle, for example, heading levels, tables, and graphics. So where she has: s: increments and displays the first level and resets the > second and third levels to 0 > s:. displays the first level without changing it, > increments and displays the second level, and resets the third level to 0 > s:.. displays the first and second levels without > changing them, increments and displays the third level I would use: s:.< =0>.< =0> s:..< =0> s:.. The end result is the same, but you now have a visual reminder that there are other tags using this series that may require updating. (And I'm female, btw. Not that it's easy to tell from my name!) On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:58 AM Lynne A. Price wrote: > Debbie, > > Lin's example uses some options in FrameMaker's counter support > that you didn't mention in your post: > > 1. Different sequences. If a paragraph's autonumber starts with a single > character followed by a colon, it uses counters that are independent of > those in other sequences. One solution in your case would be to use: > > x: and x: for numbered items > y: and y: for lettered items > > I've used the x and y sequences in this example to emphasize that the > sequence identifiers are independent of the way you are formatting the > counter values. Of course, using n and a (or N and A) is probably more > natural. > > Different sequences can be used for different numbered constructs. For > example, you might use one sequence for list numbers and a different one > for section numbers. > > 2. Using multiple levels in one sequence. For example, documents with > three levels of sections can use the first counter for main sections, > the second for subsections, and the third for subsubsections with > autonumbers such as: > > s: for main sections > s:. for subsections > s:.. for subsubsections > > The counter for any level that is not mentioned is reset to 0. Thus, > > s: increments and displays the first level and resets the > second and third levels to 0 > s:. displays the first level without changing it, > increments and displays the second level, and resets the third level to 0 > s:.. displays the first and second levels without > changing them, increments and displays the third level > > 3. Displaying a counter in different ways. Building blocks indicate the > format in which counters are displayed (n for Arabic numerals, a for > lowercase letters and so forth), but the counter value depends on how > that level of that sequence was set in previous paragraphs and not by > how it was displayed previously. It is up to the user to make sure that > the same format is used consistently in all paragraphs. > > One way to "display" a counter is not to show it at all. That's done by > using a space instead of a visible character (such as n or a) for the > format. Lin is using the L sequence for items in lists with the first > level of that sequence for numbered items in the main list and the > second level of that sequence for lettered items in numbered lists. So > his L:< >\t, where the space between the first pair of angle > brackets is important, means to save but not display the value of the > first counter level and to increment and display the second level as a > letter. Without < >, the autonumber would be referring to the first > level and the numbers and letters for both list levels would be confused. > > Hope this helps, > > --Lynne > > On 6/15/2021 5:09 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > These are the contents of my Autonumbers for a similar list. I suspect > > you've not got your placeholders set up correctly. > > > > 1st Level, Reset: L:< =0>\t > > 1st Level: L:< =0>\t > > 2nd Level, Reset: L:< >\t > > 2nd Level: L:< >\t > > > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:11 PM DJ Layton > wrote: > >> > >> The second part of the numbered list seems to be incrementing the > >> ALPHABETIC value rather than the preceding NUMERIC value. > >> > >> I used the standard , , and , building blocks. > >> I cannot figure this out!!! > >> > >> > >> > > > -- > Lynne A. Price > Text Structure Consulting, Inc. > Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, > and training > lpr...@tx
Re: [Framers] Paragraph numbering
If you look closely, you'll see that the building blocks for the numbers (the "upper" level) are in the first set of brackets and the building block for the letters (the "lower" level) are in the second set of brackets. This lets you use the upper level to restart numbering for the lower level and also "remembers" the value for the upper level to continue it when coming out of the lower level. There's an excellent explanation of using a series to control numbering here: https://www.rockymountaintraining.com/adobe-framemaker-numbered-headings-continued/ On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 9:37 AM Harding, Dan wrote: > Shouldn't the different list levels be different sequences, i.e., 2nd > level should be a sequence other than L? > > -Dan > > > > > -----Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:09 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Paragraph numbering > > These are the contents of my Autonumbers for a similar list. I suspect > you've not got your placeholders set up correctly. > > 1st Level, Reset: L:< =0>\t > 1st Level: L:< =0>\t > 2nd Level, Reset: L:< >\t > 2nd Level: L:< >\t > > On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:11 PM DJ Layton > wrote: > > > I've been using FrameMaker since 2000, and I am puzzled with the > > result I'm getting in the 2020 version that I have now. > > > > I started a numbered list, and inserted some indented alphabetic > > sub-items, then returned to the numbered list. I expected to get > > something like this: > > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > a > > b > > c > > d > > e > > 4 > > 5 > > 6 > > > > Instead I got this: > > 1 > > 2 > > 3 > > a > > b > > c > > d > > e > > 6 > > 7 > > 8 > > > > The second part of the numbered list seems to be incrementing the > > ALPHABETIC value rather than the preceding NUMERIC value. > > > > I used the standard , , and , building blocks. > > I cannot figure this out!!! > > > > Can anyone help?? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Debbie in Oregon > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qLCZU > > G9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnPWrsXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_yn4TJw4$ > > Archives located at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40list > > s.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!qLCZUG9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnPWr > > sXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_sBVzs60$ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/f > > ramers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qLCZUG9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnP > > WrsXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_Q_2EDNw$ Send administrative questions to > > listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qLCZUG9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnPWrsXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_yn4TJw4$ > Archives located at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!qLCZUG9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnPWrsXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_sBVzs60$ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!qLCZUG9V8-7sul6kKn83CEA-pByMGVBoeOsnPWrsXRIoOuaanuM9wU3LpQ9_Q_2EDNw$ > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Paragraph numbering
These are the contents of my Autonumbers for a similar list. I suspect you've not got your placeholders set up correctly. 1st Level, Reset: L:< =0>\t 1st Level: L:< =0>\t 2nd Level, Reset: L:< >\t 2nd Level: L:< >\t On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:11 PM DJ Layton wrote: > I've been using FrameMaker since 2000, and I am puzzled with the result > I'm getting in the 2020 version that I have now. > > I started a numbered list, and inserted some indented alphabetic > sub-items, then returned to the numbered list. I expected to get something > like this: > 1 > 2 > 3 > a > b > c > d > e > 4 > 5 > 6 > > Instead I got this: > 1 > 2 > 3 > a > b > c > d > e > 6 > 7 > 8 > > The second part of the numbered list seems to be incrementing the > ALPHABETIC value rather than the preceding NUMERIC value. > > I used the standard , , and , building blocks. > I cannot figure this out!!! > > Can anyone help?? > > Thanks in advance. > Debbie in Oregon > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Does new FrameMaker actually split footnotes across pages?
On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 11:25 AM Wendy McGovern wrote: > Hi, Framers! > > I'm still a little skeptical, though, whether the new version actually > "splits" the footnote like Word does and puts part of the note on the next > page or whether the new Frame just moves the whole note to be on the same > page as the reference number, leaving a big ugly gap on the page. > > As I understand it, it does NOT split the footnote. Instead, it moves the text containing the footnote reference and the footnote to the next page. This is not a feature I use much, so I can't confirm this. > I'm also worried we'll have to go without IXGEN anymore, as I understand > it only works with 32-bit and the new Frame is strictly 64-bit. > > The new FM is 64-bit only. According to the IXGEN website, updates are made as changes to a new FM "affect IXgen performance." The last time I discussed this with Frank Sterns, he suggested keeping both 32-bit and a 64-bit versions of FM and converting between them to use IXgen. I'd contact them and find out if they're working on a 64-bit version, since there's no way for you to get a more recent 32-bit version of FM than the one you already have. > I love our good ol' Frame, but am tired of worrying about the font changes > in PDFing and having to manually wrangle footnotes. Can anyone give me any > advice on how good the latest version is? Now that it's subscription only, > will we be stuck having to upgrade as new versions come out, whether we > want to or not? > > FM does not, currently, automatically install updates the same way that other Adobe products do. I don't know if they plan to change that in the future or not. Personally, I've been enjoying working in the newest FMs. It's a little less stable than it used to be in version 8, but it is still far, far more stable than Word. The new features range from massive changes to little tweaks that make things easier. For example, the BookMIFWash Utility is now installed automatically instead of forcing you to open a C file to find out where to copy the DLL and how to update the maker.ini file. They've added a couple of buttons on the Tables toolbar to let you remove an individual column or row with a button click. ExpressScript lets you write scripts without needing to compile them into DLLs. I suggest downloading the trial and seeing how it works for you. You get about a month to pound on it, which should give you plenty of time to see if it works for you. :) -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appallingly slow linked graphics
He's on an Apple, not a PC. Unless things have changed radically, it's difficult if not impossible to upgrade the hardware on Apple computers. (It's been a long time since I looked at Apple computers, so it's possible it has changed.) On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:58 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > Can you add RAM? > > If it's a desktop, maybe you could also upgrade the CPU. > > > On 07-Jun-21 5:24 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > > I'm not sure if anyone will be using an archaic setup like mine, but > here goes. > > > > FrameMaker 12 on Parallels Desktop under MacOS OS 9. > > > > It all works, but loading graphics (in this case JPEGs) imported by > reference takes about a minute a graphic, making the whole thing unusable. > > > > I appreciate that I can turn off graphics display, but I wondered > whether there was another solution, aside from dumping the whole idea and > buying a Windows machine to run FrameMaker? > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Hidden Text
There's no hidden font option, no. There's color views which can be used to hide text, but I've never used them so I don't really understand how they work. The one time I tried to use them, they hid the text all right but the space the text took up remained. I was probably doing something wrong. On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:40 PM A Craig wrote: > framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Frame 2020 > > Unstructured > > Win 10 > > > > > > In Word, I have a "hidden" font format so I can include references to > standards (IEC, ISO, etc) in various sections of the template. These stand > as reminders that certain things have to be covered in order to comply with > EU import rules, US FTC rules, etc. As different equipment has to conform > to > different standards, this is an easy way to keep it all straight. > > > > When I select "Hide ¶", the text disappears so I can do final layout and > print to PDF without including this content. > > > > Any chance unstructured Frame has a similar option? > > > > I've considered using a Condition, but a hidden font style would be simpler > – especially once I start using multiple Conditions to create a variety of > manuals form the same set of files. > > > > Alison > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess
Ah, hah! It turns out Adobe has been including updated to the current version of Frame as part of its Samples directory! C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe FrameMaker 2019\Samples\MoreSamples\Books\Bkstyle7 Has the correct page layout for that color block. I hope this helps. On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:02 AM wrote: > So, > > > > My longtime template goddess has retired and I am in need of some > assistance > in setting up some aspects of my FM template (I have FM2019). Some parts of > the template are a no-brainer, but others are going to require that an > auto-numbered paragraph tag to be displayed in the middle of a specific > graphic/icon - it's essentially my client's preferred symbol (a geometric > shape) and color and in the middle of this the chapter number must be > displayed and they would also like a smaller version of this for the page > number and a section number. Yea, I could figure it out if I mucked around > for a while, but I am slammed w/ the writing deadline for this and beyond > basic template setup (like a line under a chapter title - woo hoo!) I tend > to go for very basic templates and focus on the writing . . . which is what > they hired me to do. > > > > For someone who is skilled in this, I bet you would be done like that > (snaps > fingers) but I am willing to pay for up to 2 hours of work at my bill rate > (to be discussed offline) . . . if this is something that suits your fancy, > please let me know, and we can make time to talk. I have mockups of what is > needed. > > > > TIA and Happy Friday. > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess
Hmm, I just looked at my copy of the template pack and the square behind the chapter number is missing. How annoying. The good news is that if you click File > Document > New and then click Explore Standard Templates at the bottom of the page, there's one with the color block under User Guide > Chapter. You should be able to replace that color block with your customer's graphic. If you put an appropriately sized version of it on a reference page, you should be able to bring it in with Frame Above or Frame Below paragraph for the section numbers and page numbers. Might take a little fiddling. On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:49 AM Lin Sims wrote: > If no one contacts you, try the Adobe Template Pack 1, Book 7 style. That > has a background image for the chapter number and I'm sure you could adapt > that easily. > > You can download it from here: https://www.frameusers.com/tools/ > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:02 AM wrote: > >> So, >> >> >> >> My longtime template goddess has retired and I am in need of some >> assistance >> in setting up some aspects of my FM template (I have FM2019). Some parts >> of >> the template are a no-brainer, but others are going to require that an >> auto-numbered paragraph tag to be displayed in the middle of a specific >> graphic/icon - it's essentially my client's preferred symbol (a geometric >> shape) and color and in the middle of this the chapter number must be >> displayed and they would also like a smaller version of this for the page >> number and a section number. Yea, I could figure it out if I mucked around >> for a while, but I am slammed w/ the writing deadline for this and beyond >> basic template setup (like a line under a chapter title - woo hoo!) I tend >> to go for very basic templates and focus on the writing . . . which is >> what >> they hired me to do. >> >> >> >> For someone who is skilled in this, I bet you would be done like that >> (snaps >> fingers) but I am willing to pay for up to 2 hours of work at my bill rate >> (to be discussed offline) . . . if this is something that suits your >> fancy, >> please let me know, and we can make time to talk. I have mockups of what >> is >> needed. >> >> >> >> TIA and Happy Friday. >> >> >> >> Tammy Van Boening >> >> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com >> >> www.spectrumwritingllc.com >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Needed: A template god/goddess
If no one contacts you, try the Adobe Template Pack 1, Book 7 style. That has a background image for the chapter number and I'm sure you could adapt that easily. You can download it from here: https://www.frameusers.com/tools/ On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 11:02 AM wrote: > So, > > > > My longtime template goddess has retired and I am in need of some > assistance > in setting up some aspects of my FM template (I have FM2019). Some parts of > the template are a no-brainer, but others are going to require that an > auto-numbered paragraph tag to be displayed in the middle of a specific > graphic/icon - it's essentially my client's preferred symbol (a geometric > shape) and color and in the middle of this the chapter number must be > displayed and they would also like a smaller version of this for the page > number and a section number. Yea, I could figure it out if I mucked around > for a while, but I am slammed w/ the writing deadline for this and beyond > basic template setup (like a line under a chapter title - woo hoo!) I tend > to go for very basic templates and focus on the writing . . . which is what > they hired me to do. > > > > For someone who is skilled in this, I bet you would be done like that > (snaps > fingers) but I am willing to pay for up to 2 hours of work at my bill rate > (to be discussed offline) . . . if this is something that suits your fancy, > please let me know, and we can make time to talk. I have mockups of what is > needed. > > > > TIA and Happy Friday. > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017
Whoa, I hadn't noticed the versions you were using. For all I know, it's been fixed since FM 10. FM got an entirely new PDF engine in FM 2019. On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:57 PM Lin Sims wrote: > I'm the wrong person to ask. :-) > > I would suggest logging a bug or feature request at the Adobe Tracker: > https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > >> In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question. >> Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is >> ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too! >> >> So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and >> assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to >> the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does >> not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their >> printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age? >> >> Mike Wickham >> >> Hi, all, >> >> >> >> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document >> >> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the >> >> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a >> >> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text >> >> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But >> >> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the >> >> background. Here is what I have done: >> >> >> >> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process, >> >> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint. >> >> >> >> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on >> >> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did >> >> the following in progressive steps. >> >> >> >> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and >> >> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that >> >> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background >> >> graphic instead. Same result. >> >> >> >> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single >> Line >> >> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to >> >> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint. >> >> >> >> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is >> >> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line >> rules >> >> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the >> >> background graphic. >> >> >> >> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print >> >> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat >> >> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows >> >> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the >> >> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out. >> >> >> >> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. >> What >> >> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working? >> >> >> >> Mike Wickham >> >> ___ >> >> >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> >> Archives located at >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> >> >> > >> >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017
I'm the wrong person to ask. :-) I would suggest logging a bug or feature request at the Adobe Tracker: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/home On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 2:26 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > In the meantime, I believe I've found the sad answer to my question. > Overprint settings only work when printing _separations_ to PDF. This is > ridiculous! They should work on composite PDFs, too! > > So, in the end, creating an Overprint Black color definition,and > assigning it to appropriate paragraph formats on the body page and to > the line rules on the master page is all that is necessary. It just does > not work with composite PDFs. Does anyone send separations to their > printer, rather than a composite PDF in this day and age? > > Mike Wickham > >> Hi, all, > >> > >> I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document > >> that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the > >> entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a > >> color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text > >> knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But > >> I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the > >> background. Here is what I have done: > >> > >> 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process, > >> CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint. > >> > >> 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on > >> the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did > >> the following in progressive steps. > >> > >> 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and > >> the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that > >> says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background > >> graphic instead. Same result. > >> > >> 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line > >> background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to > >> Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint. > >> > >> So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is > >> behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules > >> to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the > >> background graphic. > >> > >> Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print > >> to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat > >> 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows > >> "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the > >> non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out. > >> > >> I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What > >> am I missing? Why is Overprint not working? > >> > >> Mike Wickham > >> ___ > >> > >> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >> > >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > >> Archives located at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >> > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Overprint Not Working in FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat Pro 2017
I don't have an answer for you, because I've never worked with printhouses or FM's printer capabilities. However, both Bob Niland and Matt Sullivan hang out on the Adobe FrameMaker community, and they do have experience with both. I suggest you post your question there and @ them to get their attention. https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker Good luck. On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:05 PM Mike Wickham wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm having issues getting overprint settings to work. I have a document > that has a full-page, solid-color graphic imported and filling the > entire master page background. So the page is not white, but has a > color. I want to overprint black text on it, rather than have the text > knockout the background and risk registration issues at press time. But > I cannot get overprint to work. The text keeps knocking out the > background. Here is what I have done: > > 1. I created a color definition called Overprint Black, set to Process, > CMYK, 0% CMY and 100% black, and Overprint. > > 2. I assigned Overprint Black as the text color for all text formats on > the body page. I thought this would be enough, but it wasn't so, I did > the following in progressive steps. > > 3. On the master page, I set Object Properties of all text frames and > the background EPS graphic to Overprint. I found some Adobe help that > says that EPS files don't overprint, so I tried with a TIF background > graphic instead. Same result. > > 4. On the reference page, I set the Object Properties of the Single Line > background frame item (there are a couple of these on the page) to > Color: Overprint Black and Overprint: Overprint. > > So I have text color, text frames, and even the graphic (though it is > behind everything) set to overprint. I expect text and single line rules > to overprint the colored background graphic. But they all knock out the > background graphic. > > Using File>Print with printer set to Adobe PDF (with and without print > to file) I generate a complete PDF, using FrameMaker 10 and Acrobat > 2017. The PDF is beautiful, but the Object Inspector in Acrobat shows > "Overprint=False" for everything. And if I look at separations, the > non-black plates are, indeed, knocked out. > > I have been away from FrameMaker for a while, so am a little rusty. What > am I missing? Why is Overprint not working? > > Mike Wickham > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
You might also try posting on the Adobe FrameMakers forum: https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
That does sound weird. I suggest you email Frame tech support directly: tcs...@adobe.com (or maybe it's techc...@adobe.com). On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:49 PM Harding, Dan wrote: > It's definitely pod-based. With 0 pods displayed, I can move quickly > through text using the keyboard and the CPU 1 load won't rise above 5%. > However, as I display more pods on the screen, the load ramps higher, with > Character Designer and especially Paragraph Designer being the worst > offenders. Having just Paragraph Designer displayed and quickly moving > through text will spike to 90%+ CPU 1 utilization. With both paragraph and > Character designer, it maxes at 100% utilization almost immediately. Any > more than those 2 open and there starts being noticeable lag in cursor > movement. > > Since Frame apparently wasn't coded to utilize multiple CPU cores, modern > CPUs with multiple cores/threads are of minimal benefit. What Frame wants > is one ginormously powerful CPU core rather than distributed CPU power. > Other Adobe apps like Photoshop were developed to utilize multiple CPU > cores as well as the GPU horsepower... which is what Frame needs. > > Ugh. > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
Unstructured FrameMaker: Paragraph tags: 87 Character tags: 29 On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 12:25 PM Harding, Dan wrote: > Thank you for running the same test. I wonder why it ramps my CPU usage up > so high compared to yours. Would the number of Character formats or > Paragraph formats in the file or installed font families on the system > impact this? > > I'll try stripping out extraneous formats and see if that does anything. > > -Dan > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:09 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Processing time > > I just checked on my system. Having the paragraph catalog open while > moving the cursor through my document using the keyboard does increase > usage, but only to about 3%. I'm actually not surprised by that, since the > cursor is moving through the paragraph tags and the catalog reflects > whatever tag is applied at the point the cursor is in. Same thing with the > paragraph designer. This is the expected behavior. > > I'm using FM 2020, which is the first FM version available in only 64-bit. > Oddly, it too is running the Legacy32.exe, but doing so under Background > Processes. I have no idea what that's for. > > My system is a Dell Latitude 5510 with an i7-10610 processor and 32Gb of > RAM. > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:11 AM Harding, Dan > wrote: > > > Follow-up: Just to be sure, I uninstalled all previous and coexisting > > versions of FrameMaker, and completely reinstalled FM 2019 64-bit. > > Same behavior. > > > > I find it interesting that under the Apps section in task manager, if > > you expand FrameMaker, it's running something called "Legacy32.exe (32 > bit)" > > which confirms my suspicion that 64-bit Frame really isn't... at least > > not entirely. > > > > V15.0.8.979 which is a newer update than what I originally listed > > below, but no change in performance. > > > > Also, when I have zero pods open and rapidly use the keyboard to move > > up and down through lines of text, there is no spike in CPU usage, but > > if I open even one pod such as character designer or paragraph > > designer and do the same, it instantly spikes CPU core 1 to 100% and > > bogs down until I stop moving the curser. It is literally polling and > > updating all open pods on every single keystroke. > > > > -Dan > > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!t9ofPBBefUWNv7QDUJb6k6I6TDPfflr5JwXgvADH_X8bIhMDuAemqR0GFpYffLOr6Cw$ > Archives located at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!t9ofPBBefUWNv7QDUJb6k6I6TDPfflr5JwXgvADH_X8bIhMDuAemqR0GFpYfGtgF0Cg$ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!t9ofPBBefUWNv7QDUJb6k6I6TDPfflr5JwXgvADH_X8bIhMDuAemqR0GFpYfT7vYCjo$ > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
I just checked on my system. Having the paragraph catalog open while moving the cursor through my document using the keyboard does increase usage, but only to about 3%. I'm actually not surprised by that, since the cursor is moving through the paragraph tags and the catalog reflects whatever tag is applied at the point the cursor is in. Same thing with the paragraph designer. This is the expected behavior. I'm using FM 2020, which is the first FM version available in only 64-bit. Oddly, it too is running the Legacy32.exe, but doing so under Background Processes. I have no idea what that's for. My system is a Dell Latitude 5510 with an i7-10610 processor and 32Gb of RAM. On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 10:11 AM Harding, Dan wrote: > Follow-up: Just to be sure, I uninstalled all previous and coexisting > versions of FrameMaker, and completely reinstalled FM 2019 64-bit. Same > behavior. > > I find it interesting that under the Apps section in task manager, if you > expand FrameMaker, it's running something called "Legacy32.exe (32 bit)" > which confirms my suspicion that 64-bit Frame really isn't... at least not > entirely. > > V15.0.8.979 which is a newer update than what I originally listed below, > but no change in performance. > > Also, when I have zero pods open and rapidly use the keyboard to move up > and down through lines of text, there is no spike in CPU usage, but if I > open even one pod such as character designer or paragraph designer and do > the same, it instantly spikes CPU core 1 to 100% and bogs down until I stop > moving the curser. It is literally polling and updating all open pods on > every single keystroke. > > -Dan > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Basic Questions on Installing FrameMaker
FrameMaker still uses whatever your default printer is. SetPrint and the other Sundorne Communications utilities haven't been updated in 15 years. I'm not certain the company is even in business anymore, although the website still exists. They even have a zip file with the source code, and yes, it's still downloadable. ( http://www.sundorne.com/FrameMaker/Freeware/setPrint.htm) If this is an issue, I suggest contacting Rick Quatro or Russ Ward or Bernard Aschwanden or one of the other scripters and see if they can whip something up for you. On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:34 PM A Craig wrote: > Thanks > > And I take it from your reply that the SetPrint issue still exists but > SetPrint hasn't (yet?) been updated to handle Frame 2020... > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth > Sent: April 6, 2021 11:26 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic Questions on Installing FrameMaker > > In that case, you don't need to worry - there's an entirely new PDF > generator in FM2020 & SetPrint won't work with FM2020 anymore. > > > From: Framers > on > behalf of A Craig > Sent: April 6, 2021 2:10 PM > To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' > Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic Questions on Installing FrameMaker > > It's the latest version. > > I'm sure I saw "2020" in the download title although I wasn't aware that a > 2020 version was available (it's a subscription through an affiliated > office > in Austria). > > Alison > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth > Sent: April 6, 2021 10:39 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Basic Questions on Installing FrameMaker > > What version of FM? > > > > From: Framers < > <mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com > > > framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on > behalf of A Craig < <mailto:acr...@shaw.ca> acr...@shaw.ca> > > Sent: April 6, 2021 1:36 PM > To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Basic Questions on Installing FrameMaker > > I haven't used Frame since mid-2017 but I'm about to install it for my > current job. > > I seem to remember that there were some issues using unstructured > FrameMaker > with the built-in (headless distiller?) PDF tool such that a certain > checkbox had to be selected at install and Frame and Acrobat had to be > installed in a particular order (I've had Acrobat installed for the last 3 > years so I need to know if that will cause issues). > > I also remember a tiny (free?) tool called something like "Set_Print". Does > that still exist and is it still necessary? > > It feels weird to be a Frame newby after using it for 9 years in my last > job. > > Thanks in advance for any advice, > > Alison > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > <http://www.frameusers.com> http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > <http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > <http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> > listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyboard shortcut to jump to next footnote text flow?
Ah, right, I always forget about those. F6, I think, will repeat the last action taken. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 3:27 PM Peter Gold wrote: > I *k*n*o*w* that many of us share that Framer's gene that wants never to > believe that something can't be done, and that by co-mingling bits and > scraps of tips and tricks, there *I*S* a way. So, here's my wild stab: > > I seem to remember there's an Escape-key command sequence to repeat the > previous action or find. So keep that in mind. > > Then, I also seem to remember learning, by examining a MIF file, that FM > stores footnotes and other text that's not exactly in a named text flow, > separately, at the end of the document. I suspect that there's an > identifier mechanism similar to the one that manages X-refs, that handles > footnotes. Perhaps there's a hidden character or code that marks footnotes, > and possibly it's searchable. If so, seek and seek again. > > If this route comes to nothing, and it's really important to be able to do > this, consider marking footnotes with a hidden searchable > character-formatted character, or incorporating the format in the footnote > definition. > > HTH > > > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:58 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > As far as I know, FM never had a keyboard shortcut for that. I checked > > Klaus's shortcuts list and there's nothing like it there. You can use a > > keyboard shortcut to open the Find/Replace, obviously, but the rest is > > going to be using the tab and arrow keys. > > > > You could try asking Rick Quatro or one of the other uber-scripters. They > > might be able to come up with something for you. > > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:43 PM Harding, Dan > wrote: > > > > > Sadly, the entire point of the exercise is to avoid having to reach for > > > the mouse. I'm very keyboard-centric in my work, especially repetitive > > > tasks. While searching for type "Footnote" does indeed highlight the > next > > > footnote (both in-text reference and text of the footnote itself), when > > you > > > press Shift-F7 to release focus from the search dialogue, your focus is > > > back in the body text, not in the footnote itself, which unfortunately > > > doesn't help. > > > > > > I hate that software has become so "clicky" as opposed to being able to > > > fully navigate via keyboard. > > > > > > #oldmancomplaining > > > > > > -Dan > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Framers > illinois@lists.frameusers.com> > > > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:17 AM > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Keyboard shortcut to jump to next footnote text > > > flow? > > > > > > I don't believe so, no, but if you're already at the bottom of the > page, > > > you can just click in it. However, I believe you can search for > Footnotes > > > without specifying a paragraph style since "Footnote" is one of the > > options > > > in the Find drop-down. I'm pretty certain it's not looking for the > > > paragraph style but for the special insert of footnotes, whether text > or > > > table. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:05 AM Harding, Dan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a FrameMaker keyboard shortcut to jump to the next footnote > > > > text flow at the bottom of a page or across pages? > > > > > > > > I don't mean jump to the next footnote reference in the page text, > but > > > > rather the next footnote text at the bottom of the page. Assume that > > > > paragraph styles are not used consistently in the document, and thus > > > > cannot be searched for as a workaround. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > -Dan > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > > homepage at > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!sroRr > > > > 7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hTsM6V2w$ > > > > Archives located at > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40list > > > > > s.frameusers.com/__;
Re: [Framers] Keyboard shortcut to jump to next footnote text flow?
As far as I know, FM never had a keyboard shortcut for that. I checked Klaus's shortcuts list and there's nothing like it there. You can use a keyboard shortcut to open the Find/Replace, obviously, but the rest is going to be using the tab and arrow keys. You could try asking Rick Quatro or one of the other uber-scripters. They might be able to come up with something for you. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:43 PM Harding, Dan wrote: > Sadly, the entire point of the exercise is to avoid having to reach for > the mouse. I'm very keyboard-centric in my work, especially repetitive > tasks. While searching for type "Footnote" does indeed highlight the next > footnote (both in-text reference and text of the footnote itself), when you > press Shift-F7 to release focus from the search dialogue, your focus is > back in the body text, not in the footnote itself, which unfortunately > doesn't help. > > I hate that software has become so "clicky" as opposed to being able to > fully navigate via keyboard. > > #oldmancomplaining > > -Dan > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:17 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Keyboard shortcut to jump to next footnote text > flow? > > I don't believe so, no, but if you're already at the bottom of the page, > you can just click in it. However, I believe you can search for Footnotes > without specifying a paragraph style since "Footnote" is one of the options > in the Find drop-down. I'm pretty certain it's not looking for the > paragraph style but for the special insert of footnotes, whether text or > table. > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:05 AM Harding, Dan > wrote: > > > Is there a FrameMaker keyboard shortcut to jump to the next footnote > > text flow at the bottom of a page or across pages? > > > > I don't mean jump to the next footnote reference in the page text, but > > rather the next footnote text at the bottom of the page. Assume that > > paragraph styles are not used consistently in the document, and thus > > cannot be searched for as a workaround. > > > > Thanks, > > > > -Dan > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!sroRr > > 7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hTsM6V2w$ > > Archives located at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40list > > s.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!sroRr7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbU > > jbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hhdm9qew$ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/f > > ramers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!sroRr7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3ex > > bUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hXPkKYFQ$ Send administrative questions to > > listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!sroRr7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hTsM6V2w$ > Archives located at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mail-archive.com/framers*40lists.frameusers.com/__;JQ!!DZ3fjg!sroRr7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hhdm9qew$ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com__;!!DZ3fjg!sroRr7zIbA3nJUXT0bZV-c4iA4i3-5Nmah3exbUjbHHc1qN7Ijdn2QHI5J0hXPkKYFQ$ > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Keyboard shortcut to jump to next footnote text flow?
I don't believe so, no, but if you're already at the bottom of the page, you can just click in it. However, I believe you can search for Footnotes without specifying a paragraph style since "Footnote" is one of the options in the Find drop-down. I'm pretty certain it's not looking for the paragraph style but for the special insert of footnotes, whether text or table. On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:05 AM Harding, Dan wrote: > Is there a FrameMaker keyboard shortcut to jump to the next footnote text > flow at the bottom of a page or across pages? > > I don't mean jump to the next footnote reference in the page text, but > rather the next footnote text at the bottom of the page. Assume that > paragraph styles are not used consistently in the document, and thus cannot > be searched for as a workaround. > > Thanks, > > -Dan > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Setting up a new FM environment
Yes, and I believe it also works with FM2020/16. https://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker00.html On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 6:19 PM wrote: > And crying and wailing as it has been like 8 years since I have had to do > this and I am frazzled . . . it's been so long, I am struggling to remember > all that I have to do. > > > > Klaus Daube's swanky toolbar solution for Framemaker - is that available > for > FM2019? If so, where is available? > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > TVB > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
And if you find a solution, remember to let us know! On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > I will try both of those suggestions. I have multiple copies of this O > manual (and many others) I can experiment with and import from. That is > especially a good point about the current TOC file. It may be corrupt or > have some odd issue with it. I forget that this isn't the wider Adobe > FrameMaker community and am familiar with Barb Binder and Klaus Daube--I've > gotten some good info from them. > > Thank you again for your suggestions. I will see what works. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers usap....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:54 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue > in FM-generated PDF > > Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC > file, then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd suggest > deleting the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and recreating it > from scratch and see if it works correctly. (I hope you have a TOC template > somewhere with the correct paragraph formats and reference page that you > can import from.) > > If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe > FrameMaker community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who dig > far further into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb Binder and > Matt Sullivan and Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's causing this. > > At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't > visualize things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that. > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually > sometimes. > > > > What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, > > List of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same > > as you described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the > > invisible boxes it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon. > > I can right-click and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options. > > From there, yes, I do go to the Action tab to make any adjustments. > > > > But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I > > right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like > > 'Add Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool', > etc. > > While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm > > file is not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC > > links, since the links are created for the other three and they work > > in both Acrobat and Foxit. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents > > issue in FM-generated PDF > > > > OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF > > files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option > > to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is > > shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to > Invisible Rectangle. > > If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, > > but that isn't necessary to edit the link. > > > > If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the > > Actions box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is > > what it sounds like you're trying to do? > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > > > Hi Lin, > > > > > > Much thanks for the responses. > > > > > > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under > > > the Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you > > > mentioned were already selected as you described (under the > > > 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers > > > already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF > > > Bookmarks checked. I believe t
Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
Yes, Craig is correct. If the heading in the document has a character tag applied to it, the link box is truncated at the beginning of the text the character tag is applied to, and that's also something to check. However, from what Matthew said it sounds like the box is missing from the length of the text in the TOC, and I really am not sure how that could happen. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 6:02 PM Craig Ede wrote: > I seem to remember that if there is a character format applied to the text > in the source (i.e. at the beginning of your paragraph headings in the text > of your book), that affects the size of the active area of the link in the > TOC. (That’s an unlikely scenario, but maybe it applies here.) > > Craig > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
Huh. At this point, I'd try two things. First is a MIF wash of the TOC file, then a regeneration of the PDF. If that doesn't fix it, I'd suggest deleting the current TOC file (from the book and disk) and recreating it from scratch and see if it works correctly. (I hope you have a TOC template somewhere with the correct paragraph formats and reference page that you can import from.) If that still doesn't work, I would suggest posting to the Adobe FrameMaker community. I'm there, too, but there are lots of people who dig far further into the esoterica of FM also there, such as Barb Binder and Matt Sullivan and Klaus Daube, who may have an idea of what's causing this. At this point, without actually seeing the files in question, I can't visualize things well enough to help, and I'm sorry about that. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:48 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > Thank you for your patience. Hard to describe graphics textually sometimes. > > What you just described is correct. The links in my List of Figures, List > of Tables, and Index of the generated PDF work exactly the same as you > described they work for you. When I hover my mouse over the invisible boxes > it changes from a hand icon to a pointing figure icon. I can right-click > and get the 'Delete Link' or 'Edit Link' options. From there, yes, I do go > to the Action tab to make any adjustments. > > But, for some reason my TOC is not generating those links at all. If I > right-click on an entry I just get a laundry list of options like 'Add > Sticky Note', ' Insert Text at Cursor', 'Select Tool', 'Hand Tool', etc. > While it might be a setting in PDF, its seems more like the TOC.fm file is > not doing something that the PDF needs to create the TOC links, since the > links are created for the other three and they work in both Acrobat and > Foxit. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 1:23 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue > in FM-generated PDF > > OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF files > in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option to edit > the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is shown. By > default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to Invisible Rectangle. > If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, but > that isn't necessary to edit the link. > > If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the Actions > box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is what it > sounds like you're trying to do? > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > Hi Lin, > > > > Much thanks for the responses. > > > > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under the > > Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you > > mentioned were already selected as you described (under the > > 'Bookmarks' tab vice the 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers > > already under the "Include Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF > > Bookmarks checked. I believe the hierarchy is correct (our layout and > > naming might look a little odd, but they work for our purposes) : > > Heading 1 > > Heading 1 Appen > > Heading 1 Desc > > Heading 1 Intro > > Heading 1 Sys > > .Heading 2 > > .Heading 2TOC Special > > ..Heading 3 > > ...Heading 4 > > Etc. > > The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to add > > new ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF). > > > > In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am having > > in the PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of Figures, and the > > Index, the TOC does not seem to want to generate the links (as > > bounding boxes) in the first place to the headers in the body. I would > > have to use the crosshair and draw one around every single entry! > > > > Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was > > thinking something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in > FrameMaker. > > However, when I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via > > Format > > > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up > > > the > > same way. For one section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the > > reason we need to use the
Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
OK, I'm not certain I'm following you entirely. When I open my PDF files in Acrobat and right click on a TOC entry, I am given the option to edit the link. If I select Edit Link, the Link Properties window is shown. By default, the Link Type on the Appearance tab is set to Invisible Rectangle. If you change it to Visible Rectangle, you can see the bounding box, but that isn't necessary to edit the link. If you click on Actions, you can delete the current link in the Actions box and add a different link using the Add an Action, which is what it sounds like you're trying to do? On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > Hi Lin, > > Much thanks for the responses. > > To your first email, I did go in and look at my TOC.fm file under the > Format > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box. The settings you mentioned > were already selected as you described (under the 'Bookmarks' tab vice the > 'Tags (Distiller)' tab) with those headers already under the "Include > Paragraphs:" pane and the Generate PDF Bookmarks checked. I believe the > hierarchy is correct (our layout and naming might look a little odd, but > they work for our purposes) : > Heading 1 > Heading 1 Appen > Heading 1 Desc > Heading 1 Intro > Heading 1 Sys > .Heading 2 > .Heading 2TOC Special > ..Heading 3 > ...Heading 4 > Etc. > The PDF bookmarks do work correctly as generated and I am able to add new > ones, change where they link to within (or outside of the PDF). > > In your second email, you are correct, though the trouble I am having in > the PDF is that unlike the List of Tables, List of Figures, and the Index, > the TOC does not seem to want to generate the links (as bounding boxes) in > the first place to the headers in the body. I would have to use the > crosshair and draw one around every single entry! > > Since it works in the other three FM files (LOT, LOF, Index), I was > thinking something must not be set correctly in my TOC file in FrameMaker. > However, when I compare the LOT, LOF, and Index against the TOC via Format > > Document > PDF Setup... dialog box, they all *appear* to be set up the > same way. For one section in the both the bookmarks and the TOC, the reason > we need to use the links that are automaticaly generated is to open folders > just outside of the PDF that contain a bunch of large PDFs so are engineers > can access supplemental info. Yes, convoluted. :-) > > Something must not be set correctly. > > Matt > > -Original Message- > From: Framers usap@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 12:34 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: [Framers] Table of Contents issue in > FM-generated PDF > > > OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right. > > You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to the > headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit where the > links from the TOC entries go to in the document using Acrobat Pro even > though they are already linked to the heading in the document? > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < > matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > > > Hi Framers, > > > > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of > > contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Maybe > > this is the way PDFs have always worked when generated from Adobe > > FrameMaker, but my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't remember. I > > have been scouring the Internet on and off over several days seeking a > > solution, but coming up empty. > > > > So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document to a > > PDF using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all of its > > entries into hyperlinks to those headings throughout the document > > (much as bookmarks generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). In both Adobe > > Acrobat Pro DC and in Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go to Edit [PDF] > > > Link and click the 'Add/Edit Web or Document Link' function, which > > highlights every entry in the TOC with a nice bounding box. I can then > > modify where they link by making changes in right-click > Properties. > > > > A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 to > > FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 laptop > > in both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not use it). Even > > under FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would let me to do what > > I
Re: [Framers] Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
OK, now I'm not sure I read your email right. You are generating both PDF bookmarks and hyperlinks for the TOC to the headings in the document, correct? And then you want to edit where the links from the TOC entries go to in the document using Acrobat Pro even though they are already linked to the heading in the document? On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > Hi Framers, > > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of > contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Maybe this is > the way PDFs have always worked when generated from Adobe FrameMaker, but > my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't remember. I have been scouring the > Internet on and off over several days seeking a solution, but coming up > empty. > > So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document to a PDF > using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all of its entries into > hyperlinks to those headings throughout the document (much as bookmarks > generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). In both Adobe Acrobat Pro DC and in > Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go to Edit [PDF] > Link and click the 'Add/Edit > Web or Document Link' function, which highlights every entry in the TOC > with a nice bounding box. I can then modify where they link by making > changes in right-click > Properties. > > A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 to > FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 laptop in > both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not use it). Even under > FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would let me to do what I > described above with its generated PDF opened in Adobe Acrobat. Instead, it > seemed like I was only able to do those things with Foxit PhantomPDF. For a > large document, containing hundreds of headings this is a HUGE timesaver. > > However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding boxes even > with Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the 'PDF' option under > the FM Publish function jump out as the issue-though I do not know if > clicking either "Create Tagged PDF" (section 508 stuff) or "Use Acrobat > Distiller for PDF generation" would fix this. Oddly, when I click that > 'Edit > Link' function in either Adobe Acrobat Pro DC or in Foxit > PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes in my List of Figures, List of > Tables, and Index. This makes me inclined to think it may be more of a TOC > setting in FrameMaker, but I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm > stumped. > > Thank you, > Matt > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF
You need to set up bookmarks for them to be generated. Below is a general, high-level procedure which should get you most of the way there. You may need to tweak a few things as you go. The help files actually do, for a change. 1. In the TOC file, click Format > Document > PDF Setup 2. Move your headings tags from the Don't Include pane to the Include pane. 3. Click on each heading level and use the Bookmark Level arrows below it to set up your hierarchy. 4. Make sure Generate PDF Bookmarks is selected. 5. Regenerate the book (Edit > Update Book with your focus in the book file) 6. Save the files in the book. 7. Save the book as PDF. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:07 PM Harrington, Matthew (Contractor) < matt.harrington.contrac...@usap.gov> wrote: > Hi Framers, > > I'm having a little FrameMaker-generated PDF issue with the table of > contents (TOC) and wondered if anyone might know a solution? Maybe this is > the way PDFs have always worked when generated from Adobe FrameMaker, but > my use of FM is intermittent, so I don't remember. I have been scouring the > Internet on and off over several days seeking a solution, but coming up > empty. > > So, an example in contrast first: when I convert a Word document to a PDF > using 'Save As PDF', the TOC automatically converts all of its entries into > hyperlinks to those headings throughout the document (much as bookmarks > generated by FrameMaker do in a PDF). In both Adobe Acrobat Pro DC and in > Foxit PhantomPDF I can then go to Edit [PDF] > Link and click the 'Add/Edit > Web or Document Link' function, which highlights every entry in the TOC > with a nice bounding box. I can then modify where they link by making > changes in right-click > Properties. > > A few months ago I was upgraded from FrameMaker version 12.0.4.445 to > FrameMaker version 16.0.0.754 and still running on a Windows 10 laptop in > both cases (FM 12 is still on my laptop, but I do not use it). Even under > FM 12, I don't believe the generated PDF would let me to do what I > described above with its generated PDF opened in Adobe Acrobat. Instead, it > seemed like I was only able to do those things with Foxit PhantomPDF. For a > large document, containing hundreds of headings this is a HUGE timesaver. > > However, under FM 16, it appears I can't get the TOC bounding boxes even > with Foxit PhantomPDF. None of the settings under the 'PDF' option under > the FM Publish function jump out as the issue-though I do not know if > clicking either "Create Tagged PDF" (section 508 stuff) or "Use Acrobat > Distiller for PDF generation" would fix this. Oddly, when I click that > 'Edit > Link' function in either Adobe Acrobat Pro DC or in Foxit > PhantomPDF, I do get the bounding boxes in my List of Figures, List of > Tables, and Index. This makes me inclined to think it may be more of a TOC > setting in FrameMaker, but I don't know. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm > stumped. > > Thank you, > Matt > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] [EXTERNAL] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?
Well, I know you can embed MP4s, but I have no idea how to save to PDF to get it to play, or I'd tell you. MP4 is the only video format you can insert as of FM2020. On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 11:18 AM Tom Beiswenger < tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > Done. Thanks, Lin. Hopefully, someone will have a solution. I'm still > waiting for Adobe to tell me if the current version of FM supports video > content. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers emhartglass@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2021 9:05 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How > can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs? > > I suggest you post your question on the Adobe Support Communities > FrameMaker forum. Someone there is very likely to have an answer to your > questions. I don't work with video, so I haven't paid attention to that > feature. > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.adobe.com_t5_framemaker_bd-2Dp_framemaker-3F=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=FntUM0uoXEqVEwdhYxnMg6MVdtOwtdzSVo9kloBm-tk=E3YIkAqYCfyRNqNW6z4THd5H-FuIvDcqd27ak0pFUHU= > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:10 AM Tom Beiswenger < > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tom.beiswenger-40emhartglass.com=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=FntUM0uoXEqVEwdhYxnMg6MVdtOwtdzSVo9kloBm-tk=uw2vle8TQSJ6Ep2xUeHnHq8JR4p6Lwlt2UnrBx6PxYA=> > wrote: > > > It appears that the problem is FrameMaker. The version that I have > > (12) converts all supported video content (regardless of format) to > > Flash standard. This apparently means that whenever I "Save as PDF" in > > FM, the videos in the resultant PDF document require a Flash player to > > run them. I am going to download a trial version of FM this weekend > > and see if the problem goes away. These video tutorials are integral > > our manuals, so if FM-generated PDF documents still will not run the > > videos, we may be looking at having to find another solution. > > > > -Original Message- > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.frameusers.com=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=FntUM0uoXEqVEwdhYxnMg6MVdtOwtdzSVo9kloBm-tk=LAUK8IVXr9jEU-sRYzkye17hdvaFGbduog-l5f512Fw= > Archives located at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mail-2Darchive.com_framers-2540lists.frameusers.com_=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=FntUM0uoXEqVEwdhYxnMg6MVdtOwtdzSVo9kloBm-tk=THJDfl7DMho8ft9RAM9Nbpi1OINXGFJgImUSafE_BhI= > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.frameusers.com_listinfo.cgi_framers-2Dframeusers.com=DwICAg=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM=zzmJd9V-AOY-pLCA-v8cPy_mRSvZCZwNZBdUabWmOfQ=FntUM0uoXEqVEwdhYxnMg6MVdtOwtdzSVo9kloBm-tk=gp2VUuFhTwwwf-OIhRowxCn2cHKaeA0iHX88ZSbqGe0= > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?
I suggest you post your question on the Adobe Support Communities FrameMaker forum. Someone there is very likely to have an answer to your questions. I don't work with video, so I haven't paid attention to that feature. https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker? On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:10 AM Tom Beiswenger < tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > It appears that the problem is FrameMaker. The version that I have (12) > converts all supported video content (regardless of format) to Flash > standard. This apparently means that whenever I "Save as PDF" in FM, the > videos in the resultant PDF document require a Flash player to run them. I > am going to download a trial version of FM this weekend and see if the > problem goes away. These video tutorials are integral our manuals, so if > FM-generated PDF documents still will not run the videos, we may be looking > at having to find another solution. > > -Original Message- > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?
You could also try Snagit, which does desktop video capturing and outputs to mp4 format. I think Techsmith's Camtasia is a more full-fledged video software, but I've never used it. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:54 AM Tom Beiswenger < tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > I guess I knew this was coming, but when Adobe killed Flash, no > alternative was offered. This potentially means that all of the digital > editions of our manuals that include video tutorials no longer work. Is > there another solution for embedding video in FrameMaker. For reference, > I'm using FM12 running on Windows 10. > > > > Tom Beiswenger > Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation > [cid:726007024546] > Emhart Glass Inc. > 74 Kahler Road North * Horseheads NY 14845 * USA > Telephone 1 607 735 2551 * Mobile +1 607 769 4779 > Fax +1 607 735 2601 > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com<mailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> > www.bucheremhartglass.com<http://www.bucheremhartglass.com> > www.bucherindustries.com<http://www.bucherindustries.com> > Privacy Policy: www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy< > http://www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 11081 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20210114/0206203f/attachment.png > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?
You can still transfer licenses, I believe, but it involves customer support and the person with the *original *license has to start the process. If the seller isn't willing to transfer the license, you may find yourself either unable to activate the program or find that the program gets deactivated during one of Adobe's periodic license sweeps. Captivate 7 (which was the version included in the TCS with FM12) is at least 6 years old. I'm doubtful that anyone still has that in stock new-in-box. YMMV, but over at the Adobe Support Community we get a lot of people wanting to know why their "new in box" license bought from a 3rd-party seller or from eBay was rejected or quit working. The issue is almost always that it is a pirated/cracked version or that the seller was using an OEM license meant for volume sales to a corporation and not for resale to an individual. Adobe does check for these things and will deactivate the program. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 12:41 PM Craig Ede wrote: > Adobe used to explicitly state that software could be transferred to > another party. They even had a form on their website for that. I don’t know > what their current stance on that is. Obviously not in the case of > subscription. > > Craig > > > From: Framers > on behalf of Harding, Dan > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:14 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed > video in FM documents saved as PDFs? > > " That's 4 versions back and there is no legal way to purchase anything > other than the current version." > > Are you sure you mean "legal"? Unsupported, definitely, but there is > nothing illegal about buying previous perpetually-licensed versions of > software either second-hand or on the third-party marketplace. That is > perfectly legal. > > -Dan > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:01 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed > video in FM documents saved as PDFs? > > Adobe Captivate? If you get the Technical Communications Suite, it's part > of it. Or you can buy a separate subscription. I don't know if the current > version will work with FM 12, though. That's 4 versions back and there is > no legal way to purchase anything other than the current version. > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:54 AM Tom Beiswenger < > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > > > I guess I knew this was coming, but when Adobe killed Flash, no > > alternative was offered. This potentially means that all of the > > digital editions of our manuals that include video tutorials no longer > > work. Is there another solution for embedding video in FrameMaker. For > > reference, I'm using FM12 running on Windows 10. > > > > > > > > Tom Beiswenger > > Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation [cid:726007024546] > > Emhart Glass Inc. > > 74 Kahler Road North * Horseheads NY 14845 * USA Telephone 1 607 735 > > 2551 * Mobile +1 607 769 4779 Fax +1 607 735 2601 > > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com<mailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucheremhartglass.com__;!!DZ3fj > > g!uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CTAtXOsXE$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucheremhartglass.com__;!!DZ3f > > jg!uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CTAtXOsXE > > $ > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucherindustries.com__;!!DZ3fjg > > !uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CTBeNI7B0$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucherindustries.com__;!!DZ3fj > > g!uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CTBeNI7B0$ > > > Privacy Policy: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy__ > > ;!!DZ3fjg!uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CT > > w7zhS5s$ < > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy__ > > ;!!DZ3fjg!uuMdXWRJmvMvC8G1lrluGWQnGuDWlgsKKfXGWcUZC_TTOPRpGvGAGgd2e4CT > > w7zhS5s$ > > > > > -- next part -- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: image001.png > > Type: image/png > > Size: 11081 bytes > > Desc: image001.png > > URL: < > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://lists.frameusers.com/piper
Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?
Adobe Captivate? If you get the Technical Communications Suite, it's part of it. Or you can buy a separate subscription. I don't know if the current version will work with FM 12, though. That's 4 versions back and there is no legal way to purchase anything other than the current version. On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:54 AM Tom Beiswenger < tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote: > I guess I knew this was coming, but when Adobe killed Flash, no > alternative was offered. This potentially means that all of the digital > editions of our manuals that include video tutorials no longer work. Is > there another solution for embedding video in FrameMaker. For reference, > I'm using FM12 running on Windows 10. > > > > Tom Beiswenger > Project Manager, Manager IB Technical Documentation > [cid:726007024546] > Emhart Glass Inc. > 74 Kahler Road North * Horseheads NY 14845 * USA > Telephone 1 607 735 2551 * Mobile +1 607 769 4779 > Fax +1 607 735 2601 > tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com<mailto:tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> > www.bucheremhartglass.com<http://www.bucheremhartglass.com> > www.bucherindustries.com<http://www.bucherindustries.com> > Privacy Policy: www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy< > http://www.bucheremhartglass.com/privacy> > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.png > Type: image/png > Size: 11081 bytes > Desc: image001.png > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20210114/0206203f/attachment.png > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Rendering embedded Visio with shading/pattern fill from FM to PDF problem
Not sure what you're asking. I can say that the same FrameMaker file with imported by reference SVGs was noticeably smaller than imported by reference PDFs. No idea why. The resulting PDF is big no matter which is used, so I customarily optimize the PDFs, turning off all image compression. The PDF size reduces considerably. On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:12 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Lin, does FM recognize that imported reduced file size - by copy or > reference - PDFs as smaller? > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020, 4:43 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > I can tell you that exporting the Visio to PDF works perfectly. The > export > > to SVG less so: as long as there are no stencil objects or grouped > objects, > > the SVG works. If there are objects added from stencils or if you group > > anything, you'll find parts of objects moved all over the place. I > believe > > the developers have been trying to solve this for a while (I have a bug > > report and they've contacted me about it), but I don't know yet if > they've > > fixed it. PDFs tend to blow up the file size, even when imported by > > reference, but at least they work! > > > > I have a vague memory of trying to open an SVG created by Visio in > > Illustrator and seeing the same issue. I don't know if that means it's an > > issue with the Visio export (which would not surprise me, as Microsoft is > > notorious for "customizing" things so they only work properly in their > own > > products) or an issue with import by Adobe products. I do know that the > SVG > > created by Visio export displays just fine in any browser I've opened > them > > in. > > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Simon Buch wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > The last time I tried using Microsoft Visio OLE objects with > > > FrameMaker was quite some years ago, and produced poor results while > > > printing. It turns out that Microsoft Office can handle OLE objects, > > > but almost nothing else. > > > > > > At the time, WordPad [write.exe] was the Microsoft approved > > > application for testing OLE, and produced very poor results - > > > especially in diagrams with clouds and shadows. > > > > > > The solution was fairly easy - export Visio to a file format that > > > other applications can use, and pick the one that works best. This was > > > by far the easiest way so that every file could be version controlled > > > and managed well. > > > > > > Typically, if problems are reported in FrameMaker, I like to see how > > > other applications handle the content - and often don't. > > > > > > Regards > > > // Simon BUCH -- M-AIS > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 at 22:02, Orly Zimmerman > wrote: > > > > > > > > HI All, I'm currently running FM16 - 2020 via the Adobe Technical > > > Suite.I have a number of Visio's embedded in my chapters. I've noticed > > that > > > if some of the Visio items use shading or pattern fills, this does not > > > translate well to PDF. (I get black or white boxes completely > > obliterating > > > parts of the image).Maybe I'm using the wrong PDF setting to get these > to > > > show properly ?Or is it that I just can't use Visio OLE objects with > > > shading/pattern fill via FM? > > > > > > > > Also, the OLE image, viewed in the FM itself is a little off, but the > > > PDF is completely illegible.Any ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks and Happy Holidays to all!Orly > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscri
Re: [Framers] Rendering embedded Visio with shading/pattern fill from FM to PDF problem
I can tell you that exporting the Visio to PDF works perfectly. The export to SVG less so: as long as there are no stencil objects or grouped objects, the SVG works. If there are objects added from stencils or if you group anything, you'll find parts of objects moved all over the place. I believe the developers have been trying to solve this for a while (I have a bug report and they've contacted me about it), but I don't know yet if they've fixed it. PDFs tend to blow up the file size, even when imported by reference, but at least they work! I have a vague memory of trying to open an SVG created by Visio in Illustrator and seeing the same issue. I don't know if that means it's an issue with the Visio export (which would not surprise me, as Microsoft is notorious for "customizing" things so they only work properly in their own products) or an issue with import by Adobe products. I do know that the SVG created by Visio export displays just fine in any browser I've opened them in. On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Simon Buch wrote: > Hello, > > The last time I tried using Microsoft Visio OLE objects with > FrameMaker was quite some years ago, and produced poor results while > printing. It turns out that Microsoft Office can handle OLE objects, > but almost nothing else. > > At the time, WordPad [write.exe] was the Microsoft approved > application for testing OLE, and produced very poor results - > especially in diagrams with clouds and shadows. > > The solution was fairly easy - export Visio to a file format that > other applications can use, and pick the one that works best. This was > by far the easiest way so that every file could be version controlled > and managed well. > > Typically, if problems are reported in FrameMaker, I like to see how > other applications handle the content - and often don't. > > Regards > // Simon BUCH -- M-AIS > > > > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 at 22:02, Orly Zimmerman wrote: > > > > HI All, I'm currently running FM16 - 2020 via the Adobe Technical > Suite.I have a number of Visio's embedded in my chapters. I've noticed that > if some of the Visio items use shading or pattern fills, this does not > translate well to PDF. (I get black or white boxes completely obliterating > parts of the image).Maybe I'm using the wrong PDF setting to get these to > show properly ?Or is it that I just can't use Visio OLE objects with > shading/pattern fill via FM? > > > > Also, the OLE image, viewed in the FM itself is a little off, but the > PDF is completely illegible.Any ideas? > > > > Thanks and Happy Holidays to all!Orly > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] AFrames Below and Left
This is the link to the INI Reference for FrameMaker 2017. There is no AFrame option listed, and I can't find anything in it that refers to anchored frames or positions. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/ini/index.html#t=book%2Ffrm_ditafmoutput_dt%2Fditafm-output_ini-.htm On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:49 PM Sparky Anderson wrote: > I've tried to update my MAKER.INI "Preferences" section with the following > to make image AFrames to default to Below Current Line and Left aligned, > but the default stubbornly remains Below Current Line Center aligned. I'm > using Frame 2017. Are the following commands still supported? > > ImageImportAnchorPosition=below > ImageImportAnchorAlign=left > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
No idea what your illustrator gave you, but a PNG is not a vector format. Like JPG, it is a raster format. See here for an explanation of the differences: https://blog.hubspot.com/insiders/different-types-of-image-files On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:37 AM Sparky Anderson wrote: > I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector > PNG. If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image > loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML. Apparently Frame rasterizes it > during the publication process? Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize > images? If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I > can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity. > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug wrote: > > > Thanks all...SVG format did it for me. > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > >> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead. > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug wrote: > >> > >> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness > >> when > >> > the webpage is zoom in. As I understand things, a vector image will > >> work > >> > for this. How do I make a vector image with text? I've made vector > >> text > >> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't > work > >> as > >> > a vector in Frame. > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > > >> > Doug > >> > ___ > >> > > >> > This message is from the Framers mailing list > >> > > >> > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > >> > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > >> > Archives located at > >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >> > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >> > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >> > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Lin Sims > >> ___ > >> > >> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >> > >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > >> Archives located at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >> > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
He's already using markers. His issue is that there are thousands of them and he doesn't want to have to manually type everything out everytime he inserts a link to another location in the document. If I understood him correctly, what he wants is to be able to select which predefined target marker to go to from a drop-down list when inserting the marker to create the hypertext link instead of having to manually type it in each time he inserts the gotolink marker. This would have to be scripted. Neither the Hypertext Marker insert nor the general Marker Insert window provide a drop-down list for anything other than the type of marker or type of Hypertext command to make part of the marker. I suppose a brute force method would be to create the destination marker first, then find the first instance of the word or term you want to hyperlink to a definition, create your gotolink, copy the word or term including the marker, then do a search for the word or term and replace it with the information on the clipboard. In fact, I think that was the method recommended by Matt Sullivan when he described how to set up special markers for glossary terms and definitions in the article I linked to earlier in the thread. Except in Matt's solution, you can (I think) get it to open a non-modal window with the text of the definition at the spot so the user can just click the link, read the term in the pop-up, and close the pop-up without having to return the the original location in the document because you never left it. Or maybe that was one of Shlomo Perets TimeSavers. On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:06 PM Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp wrote: > Hi Bertrand, > > not sure if that will work, but did you try to use markers? Insert a > marker (of your own type) at the target location and create a link > (hyperlink or cross-ref) to that marker that displays the marker text. > Additional benefit is that it will also allow you to create an 'index' of > those markers in your publication. > > Else, best advise is to contact Rick Quatro and ask him to propose a > script that will help you to insert those newlink and gotolink markers in > asiple manner. He’s very good at that. A script is an investment, but ROI > is very quick. > > > Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > > Wim Hooghwinkel > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
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Re: [Framers] Table numbering issue
Ugh. That's not a fun thing to have to deal with wrt xrefs. Glad the numbering properties fixed it for you. It's easy to miss, even for Framers with YEARS of experience. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM Doug wrote: > I use the table anchor to enable me to use xrefs to link to the top of > the table. Our captions are below the tables, so if I link to the > caption, the table displays off the top of the screen. This way the > entire table displays on-screen when the user clicks the xref. > > If you know another way to ensure the table displays on-screen, I'd > love to hear it. > > > 2. Did you check to see if the document numbering for paragraphs in > Chapter > > Five is "Restart Paragraph Numbering" or "Continue Numbering from > Previous > > Paragraph in Book"? > > The first will have the table numbering continue, and the second restarts > > it from 1, which sounds like what you're looking at. > > That was it, thanks. I dunno how I missed that... > > Thanks! > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Table numbering issue
Two questions: 1. Why are you bothering to have numbering on the table anchor tag? Just put it in the Table Title tag: T: Table . 2. Did you check to see if the document numbering for paragraphs in Chapter Five is "Restart Paragraph Numbering" or "Continue Numbering from Previous Paragraph in Book"? The first will have the table numbering continue, and the second restarts it from 1, which sounds like what you're looking at. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Doug wrote: > My Book has 8 chapters, with tables in chapters 5, 6, and 7 (which are > separate FM documents). My numbering uses the following setup, and it > works great. > > Paragraph Format Format > Table Anchor T:: > Table Caption T:Table : > > However, if I add tables to any of the chapters 1-4, none of the table > numbers increment. The table in chapter 5 still stays Table 1, and > none of my test tables in chapters 1-4 increment their table numbers > to account for the tables in the previous chapters. > > It's almost as if none of the first four FM documents share variable > data with the other FM documents, whereas FM documents 5-7 do share > variable data. > > Does this ring a bell with anyone? Hopefully there's something I'm > doing wrong that is obvious to someone... > > Thanks! > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Basic question: hyperlinks to paragraphs
I must be missing something here, or misunderstanding what you are trying
to do. A cross-reference is a hyperlink. If you are using a specific
paragraph tag for your target, why not just use a cross-reference?
Or you could use Glossary markers. Matt Sullivan has a good section
explaining how to set up Glossary Terms and Glossary Definitions (marker
types you'd have to create) in his FrameMaker Working with Content book (
https://techcommtools.com/books/). That one is for 2017, but he's putting
out one for 2020 soon.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 1:40 PM Bertrand Meyer
wrote:
> This is a novice question. In fact I am not a novice as I have been using
> FrameMaker extensively for many years, but I have not used intra-document
> hyperlinks so far, jut cross-references (lots and lots of them).
>
>
>
> What I want to do now is simple to state: have text of the form
>
>
>
> Blah blah this is some text and that is a pointer to some
> other part of the text
>
>
>
> where pointer (using a specific character format, in this case causing
> underlining) is a hyperlink or equivalent so that in the generated PDF
> clicking it will go to some designated target place in the text.
>
>
>
> I am used to cross-references, as in
>
>
>
> ... This was discussed in section 4.5, page 67, of the
> previous chapter ...
>
>
>
> but they only make it possible to have a source that is a reference format;
> as far as I know they do not make it possible to have as source of the
> hyperlink an arbitrary word, such as "pointer" above.
>
>
>
> I also know how to create a hyperlink, putting a "gotolink XXX" Hypertext
> marker under pointer (the source location) and another of the form "newlink
> XXX" at the target location.
>
>
>
> But this is horrible because I need to invent a new label ("XXX") for every
> single target, and insert "newlink XXX" at the corresponding place. I have
> -- literally -- thousands such locations; inserting them would consume
> several days of my life, spent in a silly way since there is no conceptual
> need for these markers.
>
>
>
> (The text, by the way, is the revision of the Eiffel standard of which the
> previous version is at
> https://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-367.htm. If
> you look up the text you will see that it has thousands of underlined
> elements, e.g. unfolded form in the last bullet item on page 97. They
> correspond to concepts defined formally elsewhere in the text. At the
> moment
> one has to look them up in the index, or perform a search. They should be
> hyperlinks! Hence the question.)
>
>
>
> The reason it is pointless to have to insert "newlink XXX" all over the
> place is that since the hyperlinks always go to tart paragraphs of specific
> types ("formats"). (I fanatically use FrameMaker paragraph-typing
> mechanisms.) I just want to link to a specific paragraph of a specific
> type,
> choosing it from the automatically list, as I do with cross-references.
>
>
>
> Is there a way to do this?
>
>
>
> I am using FrameMaker 2015, although I will soon update to the latest
> version.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions and best regards,
>
>
>
> -- Bertrand Meyer
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Framers] PDF Setup Tags Tab
The latest version for FM2019 is .973. I think you're on the next to last. I've never seen the behavior you describe, though, so I can't help with that. Try posting to the Adobe FrameMaker community? https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/bd-p/framemaker? On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 9:02 PM Karen Robbins wrote: > Hi Framers, > > Trying to get FM2019 to generate a compliant, tagged PDF. > > I went to configure the Tags tab in the PDF setup dialog. The very first > style tag/format I want to add as a First Level Heading is missing from the > pull-down list. It's my chapter heading style, so it's already in the > paragraph catalog of (and used on the first page of) every file in the > book. Still, I imported and re-imported the styles/formats from other > documents in the book to the first; saved and resaved the files and the > book; closed and reopened FM. This style did and still does appear in PDF > Setup's Bookmarks and Distiller tabs as expected. But I can't make it show > up in the Tags tab. > > Any clues? > > Running FM2019 version 15.0.5.838. I know there are updates up to #7, but > still waiting for my IT to confirm if and which updates have been made to > this install (maybe through #4?). > > Thank you, > Karen Robbins > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Come to think of it, I also opened a bug in Tracker for this specific issue: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9315 On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:45 AM Lin Sims wrote: > I was contacted by an Adobe developer because I participate in the beta > testers program for FrameMaker, and I posted this as an issue on the > discussion board. > > I've also added a feature request to Tracker to have a new preference > added for saving PDFs to the directory containing the source files, because > I f***ing hate the way the Publish pod keeps dropping stuff into a > subdirectory of whatever the last directory you saved PDFs to was, which is > just PANTS as far as I'm concerned. If anyone wants to vote for it, you can > find it here: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9286 > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:36 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain > wrote: > >> That is great, Lin. It would be good if they fix this issue! >> >> It is not clear where it is occurring. Although I suspect it is in >> Acrobat Pro, since I am not generating a new file from FrameMaker - just >> combining other PDF files containing Source Sans Pro with file size >> reduction - each of which independently is fine. >> >> Z >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Framers >> On Behalf Of Lin Sims >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:09 PM >> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < >> framers@lists.frameusers.com> >> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output >> >> For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from >> the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated >> from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the >> one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC >> using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction >> between the font and the PDF engine. >> >> I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the >> Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my >> machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this >> and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes >> up with a clue on what is happening and why! >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims wrote: >> >> > The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, >> > so yes, that's changed. >> > Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed. >> > Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed. >> > This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only >> > document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the >> TOC. >> > >> > There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as >> > the tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. >> > It's just that it's a long time to process viable workaround. >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims wrote: >> >> >> >> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe >> >> > FrameMaker >> >> forum >> >> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this >> >> > thread >> >> and >> >> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but >> >> > this is such an oddball occurrence ... >> >> > >> >> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from >> >> > this document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked >> >> > perfectly with >> >> Save >> >> > As PDF. >> >> > >> >> >> >> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms >> >> after years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause >> >> is the body's changed. So, since the last time you were successful >> >> with your same workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? >> >> Or the font? Or the internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket >> >> science, but it is science. :) >> >> ___ >> >> >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's >> >> homepage at http://www.
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
I was contacted by an Adobe developer because I participate in the beta testers program for FrameMaker, and I posted this as an issue on the discussion board. I've also added a feature request to Tracker to have a new preference added for saving PDFs to the directory containing the source files, because I f***ing hate the way the Publish pod keeps dropping stuff into a subdirectory of whatever the last directory you saved PDFs to was, which is just PANTS as far as I'm concerned. If anyone wants to vote for it, you can find it here: https://tracker.adobe.com/#/view/FRMAKER-9286 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:36 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > That is great, Lin. It would be good if they fix this issue! > > It is not clear where it is occurring. Although I suspect it is in Acrobat > Pro, since I am not generating a new file from FrameMaker - just combining > other PDF files containing Source Sans Pro with file size reduction - each > of which independently is fine. > > Z > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 2:09 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output > > For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from > the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated > from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the > one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC > using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction > between the font and the PDF engine. > > I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the > Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my > machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this > and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes > up with a clue on what is happening and why! > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, > > so yes, that's changed. > > Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed. > > Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed. > > This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only > > document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the > TOC. > > > > There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as > > the tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. > > It's just that it's a long time to process viable workaround. > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims wrote: > >> > >> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe > >> > FrameMaker > >> forum > >> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this > >> > thread > >> and > >> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but > >> > this is such an oddball occurrence ... > >> > > >> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from > >> > this document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked > >> > perfectly with > >> Save > >> > As PDF. > >> > > >> > >> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms > >> after years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause > >> is the body's changed. So, since the last time you were successful > >> with your same workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? > >> Or the font? Or the internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket > >> science, but it is science. :) > >> _______ > >> > >> This message is from the Framers mailing list > >> > >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > >> homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at > >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.c
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
For those who may (or may not) be interested, I tried creating a PDF from the same TOC file after substituting different fonts in. The PDF generated from the TOCs using either Open Sans or Calibri were even WORSE than the one created using Source Sans Pro. However, the one generated from a TOC using ARIAL as the font generated perfectly. It must be some interaction between the font and the PDF engine. I had a coworker try to generate a PDF from the original TOC using the Source Sans Pro and he got the same result I did, so it is not just my machine having the issue. An Adobe developer contact me today about this and requested sample files, which I have sent. Here's hoping someone comes up with a clue on what is happening and why! On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 8:09 AM Lin Sims wrote: > The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, so > yes, that's changed. > Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed. > Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed. > This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only > document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the TOC. > > There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as the > tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. It's just > that it's a long time to process viable workaround. > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold > wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims wrote: >> >> > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker >> forum >> > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread >> and >> > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is >> > such an oddball occurrence ... >> > >> > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this >> > document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with >> Save >> > As PDF. >> > >> >> I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms after >> years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause is the >> body's >> changed. So, since the last time you were successful with your same >> workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? Or the font? Or the >> internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket science, but it is science. :) >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Character codes
You mean, select the character in an .fm file and have FrameMaker tell you what the ANSI/ASCII or UNICODE codepoint is? If that's what you mean, then no. I don't think you can even get that from the MIF file. On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 8:54 AM Doug wrote: > Is there a way to select a character in Frame and have it tell you what > computer code it represents? Some special characters have multiple codes > that will display them. > > Thanks! > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
The last time I was successful was August 2019 and I was using FM2019, so yes, that's changed. Acrobat is on subscription, so that's changed. Windows has updated a time or two, so that's changed. This is the only document this is happening in, but it's also the only document using the word "Software" in a heading that's pulled into the TOC. There's not a lot I can do about any of those changes, and as long as the tried and true File > Print Book works, I've a viable workaround. It's just that it's a long time to process viable workaround. On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 7:14 PM Peter Gold wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:31 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker > forum > > from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread > and > > the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is > > such an oddball occurrence ... > > > > The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this > > document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with > Save > > As PDF. > > > > I learned from my doctors that if you're having different symptoms after > years on the same doses of the same meds, sometimes the cause is the body's > changed. So, since the last time you were successful with your same > workflow, has Windows been upgraded or patched, or FM? Or the font? Or the > internal FM>PDF stuff? Hey, it's not rocket science, but it is science. :) > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Sometimes they do, and they also wander through the Adobe FrameMaker forum
from time to time. I might ping Amitoj and ask him to read this thread and
the concurrent thread there. Or enter a bug in the tracker, but this is
such an oddball occurrence ...
The really weird thing is that the last time I created a PDF from this
document was in August 2019, with FM2019, and it worked perfectly with Save
As PDF.
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain
wrote:
> Yes, indeed, Wonderland and not good! ... :(
>
> I don't have a TOC in my document - it is a combination of other PDF docs
> - so I cannot comment on that issue you have found!
>
> Certainly sounds like it may be worth reporting to Adobe ... perhaps they
> are monitoring this list. :) Or if somebody with a support agreement can
> duplicate my finding and report it.
>
> I am going to try to find some time to test FlexiPDF, to see if it can
> combine those documents into a large PDF, what size file it creates,
> whether the output there results in an Acrobat Pro problem, etc.
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 8:16 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Interesting. The problem is that you're seeing the issue after using
> Reduce Size. I'm seeing it before any edits or size reduction is made to
> the PDF.
> I'm not entirely certain the issues are related, but I am no Acrobat
> expert. I basically have a joboptions file that I attach and then I forget
> about it because I'm not doing anything fancy, just creating PDFs for use
> by customers.
>
> Again, the text is messed up only in the TOC after I turn the book into a
> PDF. In the file with the headings that are being included in the TOC, the
> text displays perfectly in both the Frame file and in the PDF created from
> it.
>
> I've never seen the error message you mention, either.
>
> I don't think I like this version of Wonderland ...
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:10 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain
> wrote:
>
> > Okay ... after experimentation to see what I am experiencing.
> >
> > I recreated the large PDF original with 750 pages from the source
> > files ("combined" other PDF files in Acrobat Pro). It is 53 Mbytes in
> size.
> >
> > This _original_ file is fine within Acrobat Pro and FlexiPDF - no
> > error messages and they display fine too.
> >
> > However, when I save this original PDF as a new PDF file with the
> > "Reduce PDF size" option selected, the result is screwed up - even
> > though it does get reduced to 34 Mbytes in size!
> >
> > The pages with Source Sans Pro text then get the message I mentioned
> > below when I read it back into Acrobat Pro! With FlexiPDF, the output
> > has overlapping text on those pages - messed up display of the page.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, this clearly appears to be a bug in Acrobat
> > Pro (the latest version) that *creates* this problem.
> >
> > Also means that I have to stop using the "Reduce PDF size" option -
> > particularly if I use Source Sans Pro, I guess! And live with the
> > larger file size.
> >
> > I would love for somebody to duplicate my results ... argh!
> >
> > Z
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> >
> > On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:22 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
> >
> > Interesting!
> >
> > The page works in FlexiPDF (my other tool), albeit with some
> > overlapping text (probably implying a font problem, I guess).
> >
> > In Adobe Acrobat Pro, I get an error message and no text whatsoever.
> >
> > Hmmm ... I will reload the font and see what happens ...
> >
> > Z
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers
> >
> > On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:10 PM
> > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
> >
> > Hmmm ... I don't know if the attached screen-capture will come through
> > on this list, but this is the message I get.
> >
> > It is a pop-up window from Adobe Acrobat that says "The font
> > 'SourceSansPro' contains bad /Widths."
> >
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Re: [Framers] Spellcheck fun ... was RE: Weird spacing in PDF output
I *knew *it was pretty much the same as client server. On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 5:43 PM Sean wrote: > And, now, we are moving back to cloud-server environments, only this time > they call it “the cloud” rather than a “Digital Vax." > > > On Sep 13, 2020, at 9:47 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain > wrote: > > > > Peter Gold said: > > > >> AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long > ago, when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other > proprietary competitor, with "FrameMaker." > > > > Yeah. :) > > > > Back in 1988 when I began using FrameMaker for our engineering team > documents, our Marketing folks used Interleaf. On Sun 3/50 workstations > hooked into larger Sun servers for compute functions. > > > > They kept trying to get us to use Interleaf, and just could _not_ > understand why we did not want software on our systems that "took over" the > entire display and would not allow other window programs to be run ... we > used Sunview (I think that was the name) at the time. > > > > That spell check change was fun! > > > > Z > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Interesting. The problem is that you're seeing the issue after using Reduce
Size. I'm seeing it before any edits or size reduction is made to the PDF.
I'm not entirely certain the issues are related, but I am no Acrobat
expert. I basically have a joboptions file that I attach and then I forget
about it because I'm not doing anything fancy, just creating PDFs for use
by customers.
Again, the text is messed up only in the TOC after I turn the book into a
PDF. In the file with the headings that are being included in the TOC, the
text displays perfectly in both the Frame file and in the PDF created from
it.
I've never seen the error message you mention, either.
I don't think I like this version of Wonderland ...
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:10 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain
wrote:
> Okay ... after experimentation to see what I am experiencing.
>
> I recreated the large PDF original with 750 pages from the source files
> ("combined" other PDF files in Acrobat Pro). It is 53 Mbytes in size.
>
> This _original_ file is fine within Acrobat Pro and FlexiPDF - no error
> messages and they display fine too.
>
> However, when I save this original PDF as a new PDF file with the "Reduce
> PDF size" option selected, the result is screwed up - even though it does
> get reduced to 34 Mbytes in size!
>
> The pages with Source Sans Pro text then get the message I mentioned below
> when I read it back into Acrobat Pro! With FlexiPDF, the output has
> overlapping text on those pages - messed up display of the page.
>
> As far as I am concerned, this clearly appears to be a bug in Acrobat Pro
> (the latest version) that *creates* this problem.
>
> Also means that I have to stop using the "Reduce PDF size" option -
> particularly if I use Source Sans Pro, I guess! And live with the larger
> file size.
>
> I would love for somebody to duplicate my results ... argh!
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:22 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Interesting!
>
> The page works in FlexiPDF (my other tool), albeit with some overlapping
> text (probably implying a font problem, I guess).
>
> In Adobe Acrobat Pro, I get an error message and no text whatsoever.
>
> Hmmm ... I will reload the font and see what happens ...
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 3:10 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> Hmmm ... I don't know if the attached screen-capture will come through on
> this list, but this is the message I get.
>
> It is a pop-up window from Adobe Acrobat that says "The font
> 'SourceSansPro' contains bad /Widths."
>
> Needless to say, most of the info on those pages does not show at all ...
>
> I will try another PDF program, and also see if I can delete/reload the
> font on my system to "cure" this issue.
>
> A question though: shouldn't I expect the font to be "embedded" in the PDF
> to begin with? Which might likely mean a source problem?
>
> Z
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> On Behalf Of Lin Sims
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> Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
>
> I haven't seen any error messages. I hope that's not the case. Our
> corporate font is Open Sans, but the tech docs department needs a lot of
> glyphs that aren't included in it. Source Sans was the closest we could
> come, and I do not want to have to go looking for another font.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:42 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain
> wrote:
>
> > I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro?
> >
> > Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in
> > Acrobat Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again
> > if this seems like a possibility.
> >
> > Z
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Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
I haven't seen any error messages. I hope that's not the case. Our corporate font is Open Sans, but the tech docs department needs a lot of glyphs that aren't included in it. Source Sans was the closest we could come, and I do not want to have to go looking for another font. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:42 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > I wonder if this is related to the font Source Sans Pro? > > Some of my PDF documents that have this font are giving errors in Acrobat > Pro - something to do with "incorrect width". I can look again if this > seems like a possibility. > > Z > > -Original Message----- > From: Framers > On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 9:58 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. < > framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output > > Peter > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. > > Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific > > glyph pairs? > > > The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the > TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The > pictures you see are the "after" of that try. > > The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing > adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number > (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since > all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and > only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter > spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags > applied in either the source file or the generated TOC. > > Doug > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > > it again. Observe the results. > > > No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word > "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original > text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also > has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping > the "P" of the original "Pulse". > > Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with > this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by > double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the > bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every > Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely > reimaged and the problems continue. > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug wrote: > > > Experiment by making changes to the source. > > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF > > it again. Observe the results. If the new words display fine, delete > > everything after them and PDF it again. Observe the results. > > > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why. > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold > > > > wrote: > > > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :) > > > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, > > > etc. Is the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to > > > specific glyph pairs? > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the > > > > TOC, > > they > > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked > > > > the paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files > > > > and they > > are > > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those > > > > two headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. > > > > > > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If > > anyone > > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks > bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spac
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Rounding error? Damn. I got to be special again. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:28 PM Peter Gold wrote: > IMO, a rounding error in the Save As > PDF vs Print > PDF, from your > assiduous testing and reporting, seems the most likely. > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
There were two markers in the source paragraphs, one for the TOC xref link and one for an Index marker. I moved the Index marker. No good. There was a hard space between the word Pulse and the word Software. I took it out and replaced it with a regular space. Also no good. I deleted and RETYPED the heading. STILL no good. Not sure what you mean by "source fields", but if you're talking about the reference page setting up the TOC, I'm pretty sure that would have been cleared out by my removing the old TOC file and creating a new one using a known-good template for the TOC. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 5:27 PM Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:46 -0400 11/9/20, Lin Sims wrote: > > >This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC, they > >look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the > >paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they are > >the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two > >headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. > > > >I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If anyone > >has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad. > > Check that you haven't accidentally embedded any invisible characters in > the source fields for the TOC. > > >There appears to be something about the actual word "Software" that the > PDF engine is having a conniption about. > > Well, who wouldn't'? :-) Try another word? > > -- > Steve > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Fwd: Weird spacing in PDF output
I dunno. I mean, obviously the problem lies with the PDF generation, but I suspect the fact that it messed up the one word (twice!), but only in the TOC is not going to be enough for anyone to figure out what the issue is. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 3:14 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Well, now that you've discovered the exact pathway to that creates the > error, of course you're going to report it, so it gets on the list of fixes > needed. You can see my long memory as evidenced by recalling the automatic > replacement of InterLeaf. > > This reminds me of something a little longer back: (BTW, this is not just > an old guy showing off he's still cooking upstairs, by dredging up random > old stuff, it's pertinent here!) I worked at a database software company > that rocketed to fame and riches around the same time Frame Technology and > Adobe did. However, it's long-gone. A couple of years after I got laid-off > with a few thousand others, when the company had gone into several > tailspins because management had overruled QA and released supremely-buggy > products which lost customers' faith, I met someone who told me he'd been > the last project manager on the product. He'd been called in "to fix the > problems in quality, for good, this time, and get the company back on > track." He told me that the first place he started was with meeting the > developers and digging into the most-commonly known bugs and irritants. > First on the list was the odd differences with how the built-in text editor > that was used to enter command-line commands, enter data into database > fields, design the database files, and write and edit code, depending on > how the user invoked it. "So, I asked, 'who's responsible for this editor,' > and 35 hands went up." The problem was that it was so easy to write an > editor, that there was no single spec for it. Every developer who needed > one in his or her modules just wrote one on the spot, and, of course, > didn't document it, "because everybody know how to do it, so why bother? > So, that's when I left." > > It looks like when the TOC source material is processed differently into > PDF by Print > PDF vs. Save As > PDF. Same kind of problem. > > Glad you've identified and solved the issue so you can move ahead, and also > good that you've shared it with the community. > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Spellcheck did indeed used to replace Interleaf with FrameMaker, but I don't think it does anymore. When it converts from Frame to PDF, that will make the link unclickable. Also, I really don't want to have to apply a character tag to text created in a generated document every time I regenerate the TOC. Acrobat PDF is supposed to make an output that looks exactly like the input. I should add (shouldn't I?) that the conversion from FM to PDF of the actual chapters do NOT show that weird spacing for the word "Software". Only in the TOC. Only those two lines. I've reinstalled Acrobat DC. I've MIF-washed. I've used both the Save as PDF (my usual route) and the Publish pod. They are all producing the same result. Ah! But printing the book using Adobe PDF *WORKED*! (That'd be File > Print Book). I believe that uses Distiller directly or something? I forget. But it worked! On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 1:32 PM Peter Gold wrote: > Hi, Lin: > > AHA! It's a secret plot of some kind. I remember there was a time long ago, > when FM's auto-correct would replace "InterLeaf" or some other proprietary > competitor, with "FrameMaker." > > The word-spacing computation might have a rounding error when it encounters > specific glyph combinations in this particular font. Perhaps substitute a > similar font for the problematic word(s) or adjust the kerning or > letter-spacing, perhaps by applying a character format that sets one or the > other or both properties. > > HTH > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > Peter > > > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. > Is > > > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific > glyph > > > pairs? > > > > > > The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to > the > > TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The > > pictures you see are the "after" of that try. > > > > The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing > > adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number > > (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but > since > > all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and > > only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the > letter > > spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags > > applied in either the source file or the generated TOC. > > > > Doug > > > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it > > > again. Observe the results. > > > > > > No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word > > "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original > > text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also > > has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is > overlapping > > the "P" of the original "Pulse". > > > > Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems > with > > this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by > > double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the > > bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every > > Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine > completely > > reimaged and the problems continue. > > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug wrote: > > > > > Experiment by making changes to the source. > > > > > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it > > > again. Observe the results. If the new words display fine, delete > > > everything after them and PDF it again. Observe the results. > > > > > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why. > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :) > > > > > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, > etc. > > Is > &g
Re: [Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
Peter > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. Is > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific glyph > pairs? The word "Pulse" is a text variable in the source, but once it gets to the TOC it's plain text. I did try changing it in the source to text. The pictures you see are the "after" of that try. The font is Source Sans Pro. The TOC paragraph tag does have word spacing adjusted to ensure that I don't have text abutting the page number (standard workaround, minimum 190%, maximum 210%, optimum 100%), but since all the other tags have the exact same settings, why would those two, and only those two, convert from FM to PDF so weirdly? I don't touch the letter spacing or stretch settings on the font tab. There are no character tags applied in either the source file or the generated TOC. Doug > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it > again. Observe the results. No joy on this. There appears to be something about the actual word "Software" that the PDF engine is having a conniption about. The original text has Software oddly space, and the inserted text right before it also has "Software oddly spaced. In fact, the "e" from "Software" is overlapping the "P" of the original "Pulse". Maybe it's time to reinstall Acrobat. Again. I have constant problems with this program. Multiple Fatal DDE Errors, an inability to open PDFs by double-clicking on them from File Explorer or the download bar at the bottom of a browser, and on and on. An Adobe tech completely wiped every Adobe program and reinstalled them, and I've even had my machine completely reimaged and the problems continue. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM Doug wrote: > Experiment by making changes to the source. > > For instance, insert Pulse Software before the word "Pulse", and PDF it > again. Observe the results. If the new words display fine, delete > everything after them and PDF it again. Observe the results. > > You might be able to fix it, even if you might never discover why. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:50 PM Peter Gold > wrote: > > > It's a no-brainer, Lin! It's "social distancing. :) > > > > Seriously, I'm sure you have tried changing the source, say, with a > > different word, or if it's a text variable try plain text, or is a > > character tag applied, or if it's a corporate-name font, swap it, etc. Is > > the font customized to apply special kerning or spacing to specific glyph > > pairs? > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:46 PM Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC, > they > > > look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the > > > paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they > are > > > the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two > > > headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. > > > > > > I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If > anyone > > > has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-conversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1 > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from
[Framers] Weird spacing in PDF output
This is only happening with 2 entries in the entire TOC. In the TOC, they look identical to all the other entries in the TOC. I've checked the paragraph tags in both the original files and the TOC files and they are the same. But in the PDF created from that TOC, the text for those two headings is weirdly spaced for the word Software. I've posted this to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, with pictures. If anyone has an idea, I'd appreciate it. It's a little thing, but it looks bad. https://community.adobe.com/t5/framemaker/weird-spacing-in-toc-after-conversion-to-pdf/td-p/11427776?page=1 -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
