RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Many thanks to several of you who have responded so far (some on and off list).

Fred, I agree that this list is relevant to the authors only and does not have 
an effect on the document. In my years past, when it happened, I simply 
dismissed it and moved on. I am pursuing it now because it is appearing in my 
template, which means it will likely be present in every future document 
created from that template. Another reason is because I am gearing up to �C 
very, very hopefully -- be training other SME writers who will all be new to 
Frame. I’d like it very much if these new learners do not encounter this 
”distraction” while they are learning to use Frame.

Michael, I did verify that the elements are listed in Document Order (not 
sorted by ID) in the X-Ref dialog. This is a good thing to watch for if someone 
gets confused because they changed the sort order.

As always, this group is terrific!

Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development
Wireline Services
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Mobile: +1.817.235.3620
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From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:49 PM
To: Graham, Jasmine S; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

Why does it matter what order is used in the Cross-Reference dialog? That list 
is merely a convenience to authors when when new cross-references are being 
added to a document. You are the only person who ever sees that list, and its 
order has absolutely no effect on the final document.

Cross-references are point-to-point links that depend on the (semi-)unique 
marker ID number that FrameMaker assigns the first time you create an x-ref 
that points to a given paragraph. The order in which targets are listed in the 
Cross-Reference dialog has no effect on the functioning of the x-refs.

-Fred Ridder


From: yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:57 +
Fellow Framers,

Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I’ve seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these documents, 
so I assume it’s a pilot error on my part.

What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:

Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)

I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What’s happening under the hood to get these references out of order?

Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!

Jasmine Graham
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Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Many thanks to several of you who have responded so far (some on and off list).

Fred, I agree that this list is relevant to the authors only and does not have 
an effect on the document. In my years past, when it happened, I simply 
dismissed it and moved on. I am pursuing it now because it is appearing in my 
template, which means it will likely be present in every future document 
created from that template. Another reason is because I am gearing up to ?C 
very, very hopefully -- be training other SME writers who will all be new to 
Frame. I??d like it very much if these new learners do not encounter this 
??distraction?? while they are learning to use Frame.

Michael, I did verify that the elements are listed in Document Order (not 
sorted by ID) in the X-Ref dialog. This is a good thing to watch for if someone 
gets confused because they changed the sort order.

As always, this group is terrific!

Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development
Wireline Services
Weatherford ?? 481 Winscott Road ?? Fort Worth ?? TX ?? 76126
Main: +1.817.249.7200 ?? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ?? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ?? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620
jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ?? www.weatherford.com
From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:49 PM
To: Graham, Jasmine S; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

Why does it matter what order is used in the Cross-Reference dialog? That list 
is merely a convenience to authors when when new cross-references are being 
added to a document. You are the only person who ever sees that list, and its 
order has absolutely no effect on the final document.

Cross-references are point-to-point links that depend on the (semi-)unique 
marker ID number that FrameMaker assigns the first time you create an x-ref 
that points to a given paragraph. The order in which targets are listed in the 
Cross-Reference dialog has no effect on the functioning of the x-refs.

-Fred Ridder


From: yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:57 +
Fellow Framers,

Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I??ve seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these 
documents, so I assume it??s a pilot error on my part.

What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:

Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)

I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What??s happening under the hood to get these references out of order?

Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!

Jasmine Graham
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Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Jasmine,

In addition to Fred's general remark you can display the possible Xref sources 
in two orders: by document order or by ID. I guess your Xref dialog is set to 
use the latter.

- Michael

Re: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Jasmine,

In addition to Fred's general remark you can display the possible Xref sources 
in two orders: by document order or by ID. I guess your Xref dialog is set to 
use the latter.

- Michael

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Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Fred Ridder]

Why does it matter what order is used in the Cross-Reference dialog? That list 
is merely a convenience to authors when when new cross-references are being 
added to a document. You are the only person who ever sees that list, and its 
order has absolutely no effect on the final document. 

Cross-references are point-to-point links that depend on the (semi-)unique 
marker ID number that FrameMaker assigns the first time you create an x-ref 
that points to a given paragraph. The order in which targets are listed in the 
Cross-Reference dialog has no effect on the functioning of the x-refs.

-Fred Ridder  



From: yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:57 +






Fellow Framers,

Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I?ve seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these documents, 
so I assume it?s a pilot error on my part.

What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:

Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)

I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What?s happening under the hood to get these references out of order?

Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!

Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development 
Wireline Services
Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 
Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 
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[Graham, Jasmine S]

Fellow Framers,

Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I've seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these documents, 
so I assume it's a pilot error on my part.

What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:

Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)

I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What's happening under the hood to get these references out of order?

Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!

Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development
Wireline Services
Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126
Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620
jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com
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RE: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Fred Ridder]

Why does it matter what order is used in the Cross-Reference dialog? That list 
is merely a convenience to authors when when new cross-references are being 
added to a document. You are the only person who ever sees that list, and its 
order has absolutely no effect on the final document. 
 
Cross-references are point-to-point links that depend on the (semi-)unique 
marker ID number that FrameMaker assigns the first time you create an x-ref 
that points to a given paragraph. The order in which targets are listed in the 
Cross-Reference dialog has no effect on the functioning of the x-refs.
 
-Fred Ridder  
 


From: yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:30:57 +






Fellow Framers,
 
Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I’ve seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these documents, 
so I assume it’s a pilot error on my part.
 
What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:
 
Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)
 
I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What’s happening under the hood to get these references out of order?
 
Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!
 
Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development 
Wireline Services
Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 
Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 
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Table Elements Out of Order in Cross-Reference Dialog

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Fellow Framers,

Structured Frame 8, on XP, been clicking along just fine, but now experiencing 
a quirk I've seen in years past.  I am the only one working on these documents, 
so I assume it's a pilot error on my part.

What causes a table element to appear out of order in the Cross-Reference 
dialog? After inserting new tables, I go to create new cross references and see 
elements listed in the X-Ref dialog as follows:

Table 1
Table 4 (was a new table I added)
Table 3 (was a second new table I added)
Table 2
Table 5 (was three before I got into this)

I have tried numerous things like moving them around, deleting and recreating, 
and so forth. What is it that I am doing to cause this so that I can remedy it? 
What's happening under the hood to get these references out of order?

Thanks in advance and Happy Friday!

Jasmine Graham
Technical Writer, Research and Development
Wireline Services
Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126
Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620
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odd behavior in cross-reference dialog box

[obai...@comcast.net]

I am taking over a former writer's work, and the only odd thing that I am 
finding in the Frame (8) files is this.

When I double-click a cross-reference link, the Cross-Reference dialog box 
shows "Cross-Ref" and Marker Types in the left pane and Cross-Reference Markers 
in the right pane, instead of all the paragraph tags in the left pane and the 
relevant targets in the right pane.

I know that I can click Source Type and choose Paragraphs to see the paragraph 
tags, but doing that a hundred times a day is getting long.

In all my documents, when I double-click a cross-reference link, the 
Cross-Reference dialog box shows all the paragraph tags in the left pane and 
the relevant targets in the right pane.

I want this standard behavior (for me, anyway) when I double-click the former 
writer's links.

Is there some setting about which I am forgetting?

Thanks.

best,
Paul

non-breaking space in cross-reference?

[Fred Ridder]

James Dyson asked:> Does anyone know how to make a non-breaking space in a 
cross reference?
> I'm using unstructured 7.1. I'm stumped.

Appendix A of the User Guide is your friend. To type a non-breaking space
in a dialog box, you type a backslash followed by a space. 

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non-breaking space in cross-reference?

[James Dyson]

Does anyone know how to make a non-breaking space in a cross reference?
I'm using unstructured 7.1. I'm stumped.

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RE: non-breaking space in cross-reference?

[Fred Ridder]

James Dyson asked:> Does anyone know how to make a non-breaking space in a 
cross reference?
> I'm using unstructured 7.1. I'm stumped.
 
Appendix A of the User Guide is your friend. To type a non-breaking space
in a dialog box, you type a backslash followed by a space. 
 
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non-breaking space in cross-reference?

[James Dyson]

Does anyone know how to make a non-breaking space in a cross reference?
I'm using unstructured 7.1. I'm stumped.

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Re: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

[Zoe Lawson]

The way I worked around this was to create an 'invisible' paragraph. The way I 
did it was to make a little text frame behind the chapter title frame. I would 
then insert the book title in that text frame, using a paragraph tag 
'booktitle'. I used a variable so that I wouldn't have to go back and fix it 
manually as often. I think some people also use small text frames with white 
text, so it's 'invisible'. This paragraph was in every chapter and appendix. 

I would then create a cross-reference that referenced the booktitle paragraph. 
(I'm forgetting what the actual reference was right now.)

A little clunky, but once you set up the templates, it just automagically works 
and you don't have to think about it again. It worked great.

HTH,

Zoë

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Subject: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to
include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but
can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book
cross-reference variable definitions with me?

Thank you,

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How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

[Zoe Lawson]

The way I worked around this was to create an 'invisible' paragraph. The way I 
did it was to make a little text frame behind the chapter title frame. I would 
then insert the book title in that text frame, using a paragraph tag 
'booktitle'. I used a variable so that I wouldn't have to go back and fix it 
manually as often. I think some people also use small text frames with white 
text, so it's 'invisible'. This paragraph was in every chapter and appendix. 

I would then create a cross-reference that referenced the booktitle paragraph. 
(I'm forgetting what the actual reference was right now.)

A little clunky, but once you set up the templates, it just automagically works 
and you don't have to think about it again. It worked great.

HTH,

Zo?

From: Angela Akridge 
Subject: How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to
include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but
can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book
cross-reference variable definitions with me?

Thank you,

Angela





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How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

[Angela Akridge]

I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to
include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but
can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book
cross-reference variable definitions with me?

Thank you,

Angela
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How To Include BookTitle Variable in Cross-reference Format

[Angela Akridge]

I'd like to link to another book using a cross-reference. I've tried to
include a destination's book title variable in the format definition, but
can't seem to get the value to populate. Can you share your cross-book
cross-reference variable definitions with me?

Thank you,

Angela

character tags in cross reference text - solved!

[rebecca officer]

Got it!!

For anyone else who wants to do the same, the solution was:

1. Close FM.

2. Back up maker.ini, then in the [WindowsToFrameFontAliases] section
of maker.ini, replace this line:
Courier, Italic, *=Courier, Oblique, *, Regular
with this line:
Courier, Italic, *=CourierItalic, Oblique, *, Regular

This makes FM call the italics Courier font "CourierItalic".

3. Open FM. Define the character tag to use CourierItalic instead of
Courier.

Thanks very much for your help, Richard. There's no way I'd have worked
it out by myself. And once I had more of an idea what to google for, I
found a post by Shlomo Perets that was very helpful too, so Shlomo, if
you're reading this, thanks too.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "rebecca officer"  1/02/07
10:52 >>>
Thanks Richard!

I did the quick test (Courier -> Courier New) and it didn't preserve
the italics but did preserve the different font in the xref. So the
bits
that I wanted to have Courier New italics were Courier New. That's a
lot
closer than I was before!

So by the look of it, I need to find/make a version of Courier that
has
the italics as its "regular" form. That should be do-able. If anyone
knows how off the top of their head, I'd appreciate the info.
Otherwise,
I'll go play.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Combs, Richard"  1/02/07 10:21 >>>
rebecca officer wrote:

> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution
for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new
font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if
that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Thanks Richard!

I did the quick test (Courier -> Courier New) and it didn't preserve
the italics but did preserve the different font in the xref. So the bits
that I wanted to have Courier New italics were Courier New. That's a lot
closer than I was before!

So by the look of it, I need to find/make a version of Courier that has
the italics as its "regular" form. That should be do-able. If anyone
knows how off the top of their head, I'd appreciate the info. Otherwise,
I'll go play.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Combs, Richard"  1/02/07 10:21 >>>
rebecca officer wrote:

> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution
for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new
font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if
that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Caroline Tabach"  31/01/07 22:27 >>>
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text - solved!

[Combs, Richard]

rebecca officer wrote: 

> Got it!!
> 
> For anyone else who wants to do the same, the solution was:
> 
> 1. Close FM.
> 
> 2. Back up maker.ini, then in the [WindowsToFrameFontAliases] 
> section of maker.ini, replace this line:
> Courier, Italic, *=Courier, Oblique, *, Regular with this line:
> Courier, Italic, *=CourierItalic, Oblique, *, Regular
> 
> This makes FM call the italics Courier font "CourierItalic".

Well, that's both more clever and cheaper than buying Fontographer! :-)

> 3. Open FM. Define the character tag to use CourierItalic 
> instead of Courier.
> 
> Thanks very much for your help, Richard. There's no way I'd 
> have worked it out by myself. And once I had more of an idea 
> what to google for, I found a post by Shlomo Perets that was 
> very helpful too, so Shlomo, if you're reading this, thanks too.

I'm glad my rather shaky memory provided enough hints to put you on the
right track. 

Richard


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RE: character tags in cross reference text - solved!

[Combs, Richard]

rebecca officer wrote: 

> Got it!!
> 
> For anyone else who wants to do the same, the solution was:
> 
> 1. Close FM.
> 
> 2. Back up maker.ini, then in the [WindowsToFrameFontAliases] 
> section of maker.ini, replace this line:
> Courier, Italic, *=Courier, Oblique, *, Regular with this line:
> Courier, Italic, *=CourierItalic, Oblique, *, Regular
> 
> This makes FM call the italics Courier font "CourierItalic".

Well, that's both more clever and cheaper than buying Fontographer! :-)
 
> 3. Open FM. Define the character tag to use CourierItalic 
> instead of Courier.
> 
> Thanks very much for your help, Richard. There's no way I'd 
> have worked it out by myself. And once I had more of an idea 
> what to google for, I found a post by Shlomo Perets that was 
> very helpful too, so Shlomo, if you're reading this, thanks too.

I'm glad my rather shaky memory provided enough hints to put you on the
right track. 

Richard


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RE: character tags in cross reference text - solved!

[rebecca officer]

Got it!!

For anyone else who wants to do the same, the solution was:

1. Close FM.

2. Back up maker.ini, then in the [WindowsToFrameFontAliases] section
of maker.ini, replace this line:
Courier, Italic, *=Courier, Oblique, *, Regular
with this line:
Courier, Italic, *=CourierItalic, Oblique, *, Regular

This makes FM call the italics Courier font "CourierItalic".

3. Open FM. Define the character tag to use CourierItalic instead of
Courier.

Thanks very much for your help, Richard. There's no way I'd have worked
it out by myself. And once I had more of an idea what to google for, I
found a post by Shlomo Perets that was very helpful too, so Shlomo, if
you're reading this, thanks too.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "rebecca officer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/02/07
10:52 >>>
Thanks Richard!

I did the quick test (Courier -> Courier New) and it didn't preserve
the italics but did preserve the different font in the xref. So the
bits
that I wanted to have Courier New italics were Courier New. That's a
lot
closer than I was before!

So by the look of it, I need to find/make a version of Courier that
has
the italics as its "regular" form. That should be do-able. If anyone
knows how off the top of their head, I'd appreciate the info.
Otherwise,
I'll go play.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Combs, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/02/07 10:21 >>>
rebecca officer wrote:
 
> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution
for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new
font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if
that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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character tags in cross reference text

[Combs, Richard]

rebecca officer wrote:

> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Thanks Richard!

I did the quick test (Courier -> Courier New) and it didn't preserve
the italics but did preserve the different font in the xref. So the bits
that I wanted to have Courier New italics were Courier New. That's a lot
closer than I was before!

So by the look of it, I need to find/make a version of Courier that has
the italics as its "regular" form. That should be do-able. If anyone
knows how off the top of their head, I'd appreciate the info. Otherwise,
I'll go play.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Combs, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1/02/07 10:21 >>>
rebecca officer wrote:
 
> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution
for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new
font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if
that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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character tags in cross reference text

[Grant Hogarth]

If the options are redundant/replicated two options I can think of are:
1: A variable for each option, as variables can contain formatting
2: An inset for each option.

Or perhaps I'm missing a bit

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On Behalf Of rebecca officer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:45 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Caroline Tabach
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Caroline Tabach"  31/01/07 22:27 >>>
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   caroline at radcom.com 
www.radcom.comwww.protocols.com 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

RE: character tags in cross reference text

[Combs, Richard]

rebecca officer wrote:
 
> I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a 
> cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged 
> text, and preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?
> 
> We document commands, and some of them have italics in part 
> of the command syntax. In the associated step-by-step 
> instructions, the most reliable way to include the command 
> syntax is to use cross-references.
> But the italics get lost. :-(

I vaguely recall someone describing a (somewhat difficult) solution for
this once, but don't have time to search for the post right now. IIRC,
it was based on the fact that xrefs retain char formats that use a
different font family. So, you need to create a copy of the font used
with a new name -- I think you need Fontographer or equivalent because
you have to change the internal name of the font. 

For instance, if you're using Courier for your commands, and applying
the Variable char tag to italicize the variables, you create a new font,
CourierCopy, and redefine the Variable char tag to be CourierCopy
Italic. FM will retain this in your xrefs. 

As a quick test, try it with two similar-looking fonts, such as the
PostScript font Courier and its TrueType cousin, Courier New -- if that
works and looks OK, maybe you're done! :-) 

HTH!
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RE: character tags in cross reference text

[Grant Hogarth]

If the options are redundant/replicated two options I can think of are:
1: A variable for each option, as variables can contain formatting
2: An inset for each option.

Or perhaps I'm missing a bit

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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:45 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Caroline Tabach
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Caroline Tabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 31/01/07 22:27 >>>
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca
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RE: character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Hi Caroline

Thanks for that, but unfortunately - as Niels thought - it doesn't work
in this situation. We have text like this:

parameter1 option1 parameter2 parameter3 option3

where option1 and option3 need to be in italics. And the number of
parameters and options varies.

I have a nasty feeling I've seen other people post similar requests in
the dim dark past and get no solutions, but thought I'd see if anyone's
invented something clever.

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Caroline Tabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 31/01/07 22:27 >>>
I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you
use just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should
appear in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag
that is used for the commands)

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer



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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

[Caroline Tabach]

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

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[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
rebecca officer
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

That isn't going to work - Rebeccas problem is that only part of the 
text-to-be-referenced is in italics.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this...

-Niels 

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Sent: 31. januar 2007 10:27
To: rebecca officer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline?Tabach
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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a cross-reference to 
something that includes character-tagged text, and preserve the character tag 
in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the command 
syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most reliable way to 
include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

[Niels Fanøe]

Hi,

That isn't going to work - Rebeccas problem is that only part of the 
text-to-be-referenced is in italics.

I'm not sure there is a solution to this...

-Niels 

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Subject: RE: character tags in cross reference text

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline Tabach
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Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a cross-reference to 
something that includes character-tagged text, and preserve the character tag 
in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the command 
syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most reliable way to 
include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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RE: character tags in cross reference text

[Caroline Tabach]

I think you would need to make a special cross reference style that you use 
just to create the cross references to the commands.
Then  define for that cross reference style that the characters should appear 
in italics (i.e. use for the cross reference the character tag that is used for 
the commands)

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
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Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com



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Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:56 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: character tags in cross reference text

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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character tags in cross reference text

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I just wondered if anyone has a trick that lets you make a
cross-reference to something that includes character-tagged text, and
preserve the character tag in the cross-reference?

We document commands, and some of them have italics in part of the
command syntax. In the associated step-by-step instructions, the most
reliable way to include the command syntax is to use cross-references.
But the italics get lost. :-(

Thanks!
Rebecca

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\ in cross reference

[Ridder, Fred]

It's not just a backslash. It's a backslash followed by
a space, which is interpreted as a non-breaking space. 
In dialog boxes, the backslash is the "escape" character
that signals FrameMaker to interpret the following 
character(s) as the code for a special character that
cannot be typed directly. Such things as en-dashes,
em-dashes, non-breaking spaces, trademark symbols,
etc.  See Appendix A of the FrameMaker User Guide.

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Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 6:49 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: \ in cross reference

Hi,
A client asks me to change a cross reference from
"<$paranum> <$paratext>"
to "<$paranum>\ <$paratext>"
What does the \ do?
Regards
Gunnar

RE: \ in cross reference

[Ridder, Fred]

It's not just a backslash. It's a backslash followed by
a space, which is interpreted as a non-breaking space. 
In dialog boxes, the backslash is the "escape" character
that signals FrameMaker to interpret the following 
character(s) as the code for a special character that
cannot be typed directly. Such things as en-dashes,
em-dashes, non-breaking spaces, trademark symbols,
etc.  See Appendix A of the FrameMaker User Guide.

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Hi,
A client asks me to change a cross reference from
"<$paranum> <$paratext>"
to "<$paranum>\ <$paratext>"
What does the \ do?
Regards
Gunnar

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\ in cross reference

[Rene S.]

It makes the space a non-breaking space in the cross reference definition.

Rene S.

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Hi,
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What does the \ do?
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\ in cross reference

[Gunnar Carlsson]

Hi,
A client asks me to change a cross reference from
"<$paranum> <$paratext>"
to "<$paranum>\ <$paratext>"
What does the \ do?
Regards
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RE: \ in cross reference

[Rene S.]

It makes the space a non-breaking space in the cross reference definition.

Rene S.

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What does the \ do?
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\ in cross reference

[Gunnar Carlsson]

Hi,
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