RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Caroline Tabach]

I don’t know quite how you are making HTML help, but many applications have the 
possibility to use a different type of style in a help project from the Frame 
file, (sometimes by applying a different template)

Caroline Tabach
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Subject: Re: Need help building a para Warning tag


I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

Ed Lightle wrote:
 
 I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for 
 warning symbols on a reference page and creating 2-column 
 tables.  Everything worked great for printed output but the 
 graphics don't show up in my HTML Help output.  I found that 
 graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a body page, I 
 suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any 
 way around this?

I'm sure there's a solution, but the specifics depend on how you're
creating the HTML. 

For instance, with Mif2Go, there's an [HTMLOptions] setting,
RemoveFramesAbove, that governs whether the Frame Above (ref page
graphic) for all pgfs is converted or ignored. You can also set this on
a per-pgf-format basis. 

I think in WWP, there's a mapping setting for what to do with Frame
Above. If not, you might need a macro to insert an img tag for the
graphic into the HTML. This should be pretty straightforward, assuming
your graphic is imported by reference and in a suitable file format for
HTML (GIF, JPEG, PNG). 

I don't know how (or if) ref page graphics are handled in ePP or Frame's
built-in HTML conversion. 

If you post info about what conversion tool you're using and what you've
tried, the experts in that tool can probably help. 

Richard


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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag - SOLVED

[Ed Lightle]

I found a way in WebWorks ePublisher 9.0's Style Designer to select the
warning graphic as a bullet for the Warning paragraph tag that uses the
graphic.  Maybe this overrides some of the other formatting for my
Warning table but the output looks just like it does in the FrameMaker
source, and I'm happy.

Thanks to everybody who provided advice!

Sincerely,
Ed Lightle
Sr. Techiical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
 
Original Question:

I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Diane Gaskill]

Ed,

The method I described a few days ago has the graphic in a reference frame
on the reference page. That frame is anchored and used in a para tag. I've
not tried converting it to HTML but I see no reason why it should not
convert correctly.  If you do not have the message I posted, let me know and
I'll send it to you offline.

Diane Gaskill
==

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Subject: Re: Need help building a para Warning tag



I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Caroline Tabach]

I don?t know quite how you are making HTML help, but many applications have the 
possibility to use a different type of style in a help project from the Frame 
file, (sometimes by applying a different template)

Caroline?Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


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[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Ed Lightle
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:36 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: richard.combs at Polycom.com
Subject: Re: Need help building a para Warning tag


I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

Ed Lightle wrote:

> I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for 
> warning symbols on a reference page and creating 2-column 
> tables.  Everything worked great for printed output but the 
> graphics don't show up in my HTML Help output.  I found that 
> graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a body page, I 
> suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any 
> way around this?

I'm sure there's a solution, but the specifics depend on how you're
creating the HTML. 

For instance, with Mif2Go, there's an [HTMLOptions] setting,
RemoveFramesAbove, that governs whether the Frame Above (ref page
graphic) for all pgfs is converted or ignored. You can also set this on
a per-pgf-format basis. 

I think in WWP, there's a mapping setting for what to do with Frame
Above. If not, you might need a macro to insert an  tag for the
graphic into the HTML. This should be pretty straightforward, assuming
your graphic is imported by reference and in a suitable file format for
HTML (GIF, JPEG, PNG). 

I don't know how (or if) ref page graphics are handled in ePP or Frame's
built-in HTML conversion. 

If you post info about what conversion tool you're using and what you've
tried, the experts in that tool can probably help. 

Richard


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303-777-0436
--

Need help building a para Warning tag - SOLVED

[Ed Lightle]

I found a way in WebWorks ePublisher 9.0's Style Designer to select the
warning graphic as a bullet for the Warning paragraph tag that uses the
graphic.  Maybe this overrides some of the other formatting for my
Warning table but the output looks just like it does in the FrameMaker
source, and I'm happy.

Thanks to everybody who provided advice!

Sincerely,
Ed Lightle
Sr. Techiical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.

Original Question:

I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Need help building a para Warning tag

[Diane Gaskill]

Ed,

The method I described a few days ago has the graphic in a reference frame
on the reference page. That frame is anchored and used in a para tag. I've
not tried converting it to HTML but I see no reason why it should not
convert correctly.  If you do not have the message I posted, let me know and
I'll send it to you offline.

Diane Gaskill
==

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[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Ed Lightle
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:36 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: richard.combs at Polycom.com
Subject: Re: Need help building a para Warning tag



I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
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Re: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Ed Lightle]

I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.
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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Ed Lightle]

I tried Richard Comb's method for putting graphics for warning symbols
on a reference page and creating 2-column tables.  Everything worked
great for printed output but the graphics don't show up in my HTML Help
output.  I found that graphics not bounded by an anchored frame (on a
body page, I suppose) will not appear in the HTML output.  Is there any
way around this?

Thanks!
Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon Inc.

RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Diane Gaskill]

Drew,

There is a similar way to use a table for Notes, Cautions, and Warnings that
uses a 2-celled table. This is probably what Joe Malin referred to in his
message.  BTW, the credit for this method goes to Brad Anderson.  I stole -
I mean researched it from a template he gave me way back in 2000.

1.  On the reference page, draw a reference frame about 6 inches wide and
one inch high. Name the frame Warning.

2.  In that frame, construct a 2-celled table with the left cell about 3/4
inch wide and the right cell the remaining width of the table.  Display only
the top and bottom borders of the table.  In the Table Designer dialog box,
name the table waWarning and set it to RIGHT aligned, with 5 or 6 pts above
and below.  Be sure to include the prefix wa in the name as shown here.  If
you want the table to look like a filled rectangle, display all ourside
borders and set the table shading to whatever color  and fill % you want.

3. Construct a 1/2 inch x 1/2 inch reference frame.  Name it zWarning.  In
that frame, place the standard ANSI warning symbol and size it to fit the
frame.

4. Click the paragraph tag in the left cell of the table.  Create a new
paragraph tag called zWarning. It does not matter what font you use, but set
all the spacings to 0 and make the font size and leading as small as
possible.  In the advanced tab, set Frame Below to zWarning.

5.  Click the para tag in the right cell of the table.  Create a new para
tag called waWarning and set it to whatever font you normally use for this.
In the numbering tab enable autonumbering and set the value to Warning!\t
Set the para's tab value to 0.6 in. In the Table Cell tab, set the Vertical
Alignment to Middle.

6. Save.

To place the table on a body page:
1. Create an empty paragraph mark where you want the table to be and keep
your cursoe on that paragraph.

2. Select Table  Insert and type wa enter. Or type Esc-t-i-wa [Enter].
The 2-celled table, with the symbol and the autonum text drops onto the
page.  You can add text after the work Warning as needed.

3.  Now, you will need to manually adjust the length of the right cell of
the table on the REFERENCE page, so that when you place the table on the
body page, that the word Warning is left aligned with the body text.  Here
is an example.

 Body text Body text Body textDon't anchor the table
here.-P
   P  _
 |   /\|
 |  /  \  Warning!  (User-entered additional text here.)   |
 | /\  |
 ---

If you want,I can send you an FM file with a set of tables for notes,
caution, warning, and a few others all done and ready to use.  Just import
the reference page.

Hope this helps.

Diane
==

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Behalf Of Daniel Doornbos
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Knox Drew-KFP368; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need help building a para Warning tag


Hi Drew,

I do something like what you described in my docs by creating a
four-cell table for the warning message.
The top left cell has an an imported graphic with the anchored frame set
to Run Into Paragraph.
The top and bottom left cells are straddled.
The top right cell holds the heading (level of warning), centered in
bold text.
The bottom right cell holds the content in regular, left-aligned text.
I apply custom rules to the bottom right (text) cell.
The ruling you mentioned is applied in the Table Designer, Ruling tab,
Outside Ruling box.
I have these little tables already made up, so I can paste a warning
into the text flow where I want it, then I add the appropriate text for
the warning.
The tables anchor to the paragraph above.
HTH

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:41 AM
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Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag


How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle?

I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

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[Diane Gaskill]

Drew,

There is a similar way to use a table for Notes, Cautions, and Warnings that
uses a 2-celled table. This is probably what Joe Malin referred to in his
message.  BTW, the credit for this method goes to Brad Anderson.  I stole -
I mean "researched" it from a template he gave me way back in 2000.

1.  On the reference page, draw a reference frame about 6 inches wide and
one inch high. Name the frame Warning.

2.  In that frame, construct a 2-celled table with the left cell about 3/4
inch wide and the right cell the remaining width of the table.  Display only
the top and bottom borders of the table.  In the Table Designer dialog box,
name the table waWarning and set it to RIGHT aligned, with 5 or 6 pts above
and below.  Be sure to include the prefix wa in the name as shown here.  If
you want the table to look like a filled rectangle, display all ourside
borders and set the table shading to whatever color  and fill % you want.

3. Construct a 1/2 inch x 1/2 inch reference frame.  Name it zWarning.  In
that frame, place the standard ANSI warning symbol and size it to fit the
frame.

4. Click the paragraph tag in the left cell of the table.  Create a new
paragraph tag called zWarning. It does not matter what font you use, but set
all the spacings to 0 and make the font size and leading as small as
possible.  In the advanced tab, set Frame Below to zWarning.

5.  Click the para tag in the right cell of the table.  Create a new para
tag called waWarning and set it to whatever font you normally use for this.
In the numbering tab enable autonumbering and set the value to "Warning!\t"
Set the para's tab value to 0.6 in. In the Table Cell tab, set the Vertical
Alignment to Middle.

6. Save.

To place the table on a body page:
1. Create an empty paragraph mark where you want the table to be and keep
your cursoe on that paragraph.

2. Select Table > Insert and type wa . Or type Esc-t-i-wa [Enter].
The 2-celled table, with the symbol and the autonum text drops onto the
page.  You can add text after the work Warning as needed.

3.  Now, you will need to manually adjust the length of the right cell of
the table on the REFERENCE page, so that when you place the table on the
body page, that the word Warning is left aligned with the body text.  Here
is an example.

 Body text Body text Body textDon't anchor the table
here.->P
   P  _
 |   /\|
 |  /  \  Warning!  (User-entered additional text here.)   |
 | /\  |
 ---

If you want,I can send you an FM file with a set of tables for notes,
caution, warning, and a few others all done and ready to use.  Just import
the reference page.

Hope this helps.

Diane
==

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From: framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+dgcaller=earthlink.net at lists.frameusers.com]On
Behalf Of Daniel Doornbos
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Knox Drew-KFP368; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need help building a para Warning tag


Hi Drew,

I do something like what you described in my docs by creating a
four-cell table for the warning message.
The top left cell has an an imported graphic with the anchored frame set
to Run Into Paragraph.
The top and bottom left cells are straddled.
The top right cell holds the heading (level of warning), centered in
bold text.
The bottom right cell holds the content in regular, left-aligned text.
I apply custom rules to the bottom right (text) cell.
The ruling you mentioned is applied in the Table Designer, Ruling tab,
Outside Ruling box.
I have these little tables already made up, so I can paste a warning
into the text flow where I want it, then I add the appropriate text for
the warning.
The tables anchor to the paragraph above.
HTH

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
danield at promise.com


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From: framers-bounces+danield=promise@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+danield=promise.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Knox Drew-KFP368
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag


How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle?

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or

RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Thank John.

Hopefully the doc helps out. If you are using ePublisher Pro the procedure to 
convert is different and I hope to document that one in the next few weeks and 
make it available as well.

All the best,

Bernard
 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Knox Drew-KFP368; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

Maybe Publishing Smarter's
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/docs/teach/NoteTipCaution.pdf can do
what you need?
 

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Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 
 
I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.
 
I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.
 
TIA,
 
Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA
  
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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Thank John.

Hopefully the doc helps out. If you are using ePublisher Pro the procedure to 
convert is different and I hope to document that one in the next few weeks and 
make it available as well.

All the best,

Bernard


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[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:19 PM
To: Knox Drew-KFP368; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

Maybe Publishing Smarter's
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/docs/teach/NoteTipCaution.pdf can do
what you need?


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[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Knox Drew-KFP368
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Knox Drew-KFP368]

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 
 
I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.
 
I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.
 
TIA,
 
Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA
  
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2007-03-07-03T17:30Z

Drew -

I recently went through this process.  Here's how I dealt with it.

  1.  Insert a table with one heading row, one body row, and two
columns.  For this, you might want to use a new table format.
  2.  Widen the table to suit.  Widen the first column to suit the
graphic.
  3.  In the body row, span the cells.
  4.  Into the heading row, first column, insert the graphic and align
to suit.
  5.  In the heading row, second column, apply the paragraph tag with
WARNING in the Numbering Autoformat: field.  No need to have a
return at the end of this paragraph.
  6.  In the heading row, second column, apply the specified color.
(From FrameMaker's menu bar, choose Table | Custom Ruling  Shading...
.)
  7.  Into the body row, enter your supplementary text.  For this, you
might want to use a new paragraph tag.

Good luck and

Regards,
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Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
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How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 
 
I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.
 
I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.
 
TIA,
 
Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

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Maybe Publishing Smarter's
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/docs/teach/NoteTipCaution.pdf can do
what you need?
 

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How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 
 
I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.
 
I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.
 
TIA,
 
Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA
  
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

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Hi Drew,

I do something like what you described in my docs by creating a
four-cell table for the warning message.
The top left cell has an an imported graphic with the anchored frame set
to Run Into Paragraph.
The top and bottom left cells are straddled.
The top right cell holds the heading (level of warning), centered in
bold text.
The bottom right cell holds the content in regular, left-aligned text.
I apply custom rules to the bottom right (text) cell.
The ruling you mentioned is applied in the Table Designer, Ruling tab,
Outside Ruling box.
I have these little tables already made up, so I can paste a warning
into the text flow where I want it, then I add the appropriate text for
the warning. 
The tables anchor to the paragraph above.
HTH

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Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
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How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 
 
I put the word Warning into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.
 
I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word Warning instead of enclosing it.
 
TIA,
 
Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA
  
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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

Knox Drew-KFP368 wrote: 
 
 How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title Warning, 
 room for a para below, a graphic to the left vertically 
 centered, and all of that bound by a filled rectangle? 

As others suggested, a table is the way to go. There's simply no
reasonable way to do a bounding box and/or background fill except with
table ruling and shading. 

David Stamm's procedure will get you there. But I'd recommend a couple
of changes that simplify its later use. If you do it as a single-row
table (no straddles) and insert the graphic my way, then in the future,
you just have to select Insert  Table and pick the format to create the
whole thing ready for the warning text. Here's how: 

1) Put your graphic for this warning in a graphic frame placed on a ref
page. In the Object Properties dialog of the graphic frame, give it a
name -- let's call it WarnGraphic. 

2) Create a one-row, two-column table -- let's call it WarnTable -- with
the alignment, width, ruling, shading, spacing, etc., you want (you can
tweak all this as you see it take shape). No heading row is needed or
desired.

3) For the left cell (where you want the graphic), define a new pgf
format -- let's call it WarnGraphicPgf -- dedicated to the purpose. Font
doesn't matter, but give it a small font size, line spacing and space
above (you can play with these later).

3) In Paragraph Designer's Advanced tab, set WarnGraphicPgf's Frame
Above Pgf to WarnGraphic. This will cause the graphic to appear
automagically whenever a WarnGraphicPgf paragraph is created. 

4) For the right cell, define a new pgf format -- let's call it WarnHead
-- that has Warning as its autonumber and the font, spacing,
alignment, etc., you want. Set its Next Pgf Tag to the pgf tag you want
to use for the warning text -- let's call it WarnText. 

5) Tweak the table until everything looks right. You can play with
WarnGraphicPgf's Cell Vertical Alignment, Cell Margins, Space Above,
etc., to get the graphic aligned as you want it.  

6) When your WarnTable table looks perfect, Update All. This saves not
only the general table layout, but the initial paragraph in the first
pgf of each column. 

The next time you insert a new WarnTable table, it will have the graphic
in the left cell and the word Warning in the right cell. Click in the
right cell (putting your cursor into the empty WarnHead pgf), press
Enter to create a WarnText pgf, and start typing your warning text. 

Works for me; YMMV. LMK if any of that isn't clear. 

Richard


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RE: Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

I wrote: 

 my way, then in the future, you just have to select Insert  
 Table and pick the format to create the whole thing ready for 

I meant, of course, select Table  Insert Table... Sheesh!

I guess I've reached the age where I shouldn't try to do stuff like that
from memory. ;-)

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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Knox Drew-KFP368]

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

Need help building a para Warning tag

[Stamm, David-P45904]

2007-03-07-03T17:30Z

Drew -

I recently went through this process.  Here's how I dealt with it.

  1.  Insert a table with one heading row, one body row, and two
columns.  For this, you might want to use a new table format.
  2.  Widen the table to suit.  Widen the first column to suit the
graphic.
  3.  In the body row, span the cells.
  4.  Into the heading row, first column, insert the graphic and align
to suit.
  5.  In the heading row, second column, apply the paragraph tag with
"WARNING" in the Numbering "Autoformat:" field.  No need to have a
return at the end of this paragraph.
  6.  In the heading row, second column, apply the specified color.
(From FrameMaker's menu bar, choose Table | Custom Ruling & Shading...
.)
  7.  Into the body row, enter your supplementary text.  For this, you
might want to use a new paragraph tag.

Good luck and

Regards,
Dave Stamm
Publications Specialist, Senior Staff
General Dynamics C4 Systems, Inc.
Command Systems
1700 Magnavox Way, Suite 200
Fort Wayne, Indiana  46804-1552
US
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fax:  260.434.9601
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Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

Need help building a para Warning tag

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:40 -0500 7/2/07, Knox Drew-KFP368 wrote:

>How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
>para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
>bound by a filled rectangle?

I would approach this by building the whole thing as a two-column one-row table 
and using Silicon Prairie's AutoText plug-in ($10) to pop instances of it into 
the text as required.



>I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
>can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
>include the warning graphic.

I'm not sure that it can be made to do that.

>I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
>filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
>below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

Tables make this problem go away. However, if you really really want to do it 
this way, you have to do it with two paras, one to hold the graphics. You then 
use negative spacing below the para containing the graphic, and negative 
spacing above the para containing the warning, to slide the graphic behind the 
warning para. But I have a feeling that FrameMaker's rendering engine won't 
handle a box that completely surrounds a para in this way, although I've used 
it to place an L-shaped rule under and to the right of text.

In structured FrameMaker you can design your elements to 'glue' binary para 
pairs like this together.

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Need help building a para Warning tag

[John Sgammato]

Maybe Publishing Smarter's
http://www.publishingsmarter.com/docs/teach/NoteTipCaution.pdf can do
what you need?


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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Need help building a para Warning tag

How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Peter Gold]

Search Google for: reficons cudspan

Reficons is one way to do it, and it's free.

There are also other free helpful FrameMaker tools at this great site.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Need help building a para Warning tag

[Daniel Doornbos]

Hi Drew,

I do something like what you described in my docs by creating a
four-cell table for the warning message.
The top left cell has an an imported graphic with the anchored frame set
to Run Into Paragraph.
The top and bottom left cells are straddled.
The top right cell holds the heading (level of warning), centered in
bold text.
The bottom right cell holds the content in regular, left-aligned text.
I apply custom rules to the bottom right (text) cell.
The ruling you mentioned is applied in the Table Designer, Ruling tab,
Outside Ruling box.
I have these little tables already made up, so I can paste a warning
into the text flow where I want it, then I add the appropriate text for
the warning. 
The tables anchor to the paragraph above.
HTH

Daniel Doornbos
Technical Writer
Promise Technology, Inc.
408 228-1437
danield at promise.com 


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How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
bound by a filled rectangle? 

I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
include the warning graphic.

I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.

TIA,

Drew Knox
at Motorola
in way too cold Horsham, PA

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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

Knox Drew-KFP368 wrote: 

> How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," 
> room for a para below, a graphic to the left vertically 
> centered, and all of that bound by a filled rectangle? 

As others suggested, a table is the way to go. There's simply no
reasonable way to do a bounding box and/or background fill except with
table ruling and shading. 

David Stamm's procedure will get you there. But I'd recommend a couple
of changes that simplify its later use. If you do it as a single-row
table (no straddles) and insert the graphic my way, then in the future,
you just have to select Insert > Table and pick the format to create the
whole thing ready for the warning text. Here's how: 

1) Put your graphic for this warning in a graphic frame placed on a ref
page. In the Object Properties dialog of the graphic frame, give it a
name -- let's call it WarnGraphic. 

2) Create a one-row, two-column table -- let's call it WarnTable -- with
the alignment, width, ruling, shading, spacing, etc., you want (you can
tweak all this as you see it take shape). No heading row is needed or
desired.

3) For the left cell (where you want the graphic), define a new pgf
format -- let's call it WarnGraphicPgf -- dedicated to the purpose. Font
doesn't matter, but give it a small font size, line spacing and space
above (you can play with these later).

3) In Paragraph Designer's Advanced tab, set WarnGraphicPgf's Frame
Above Pgf to WarnGraphic. This will cause the graphic to appear
automagically whenever a WarnGraphicPgf paragraph is created. 

4) For the right cell, define a new pgf format -- let's call it WarnHead
-- that has "Warning" as its autonumber and the font, spacing,
alignment, etc., you want. Set its Next Pgf Tag to the pgf tag you want
to use for the warning text -- let's call it WarnText. 

5) Tweak the table until everything looks right. You can play with
WarnGraphicPgf's Cell Vertical Alignment, Cell Margins, Space Above,
etc., to get the graphic aligned as you want it.  

6) When your WarnTable table looks perfect, Update All. This saves not
only the general table layout, but the initial paragraph in the first
pgf of each column. 

The next time you insert a new WarnTable table, it will have the graphic
in the left cell and the word "Warning" in the right cell. Click in the
right cell (putting your cursor into the empty WarnHead pgf), press
Enter to create a WarnText pgf, and start typing your warning text. 

Works for me; YMMV. LMK if any of that isn't clear. 

Richard


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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Joe Malin]

I use a table rather than a tag. You can build a one-row two-cell table; 
the left cell has the graphic and the right cell has the text. You can 
then put the paragraph tags you want into the text cell.

Knox Drew-KFP368 wrote:
> How do I build a paragraph tag that has the title "Warning," room for a
> para below, a graphic to the left vertically centered, and all of that
> bound by a filled rectangle? 
>  
> I put the word "Warning" into Numbering in the Paragraph Designer but
> can't recall how to include a return for the warning text nor how to
> include the warning graphic.
>  
> I'm also stuck in properly referencing the bounding box. I built a
> filled rectangle on the Reference page but that comes in either above or
> below the word "Warning" instead of enclosing it.
>  
> TIA,
>  
> Drew Knox
> at Motorola
> in way too cold Horsham, PA
>   
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Need help building a para Warning tag

[Combs, Richard]

I wrote: 

> my way, then in the future, you just have to select Insert > 
> Table and pick the format to create the whole thing ready for 

I meant, of course, "select Table > Insert Table..." Sheesh!

I guess I've reached the age where I shouldn't try to do stuff like that
from memory. ;-)

Richard


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