RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Perhaps a project should be started to work on defining a MIF highlighter for NotePad++, since one can create a User Defined highlighter. Also, since FM SGML was around earlier than FMs XML capabilities, would it be accurate to say that MIF is an SGML based tagging implementation? (I expect even FMs SGML implementation came later but broader SGML definitions were certainly in use earlier). Sometimes asking a silly question can be productive. Perhaps starting from an SGML highlighting basis might then be useful. Also, partial highlighting is better than no highlighting, at times. Thank you. Craig From: docu...@hotmail.com To: shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 12:25:40 -0400 The article you cite is about the *Model* Interchange Format that relates to HL7, which Wikipedia tells me is a set of international standards for transfer of clinical and administrative data between Hospital information systems. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the *Maker* Interchange Format that is used in FrameMaker other than the same acronym. MIF ≠ MIF in this case. And as I said, the highlighting you see may be useful, but it is an accidental artifact of MIF's use of angle brackets as delimiters. -Fred Ridder Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:50:57 +0300 From: shmue...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? When I said that MIF was based on XML, I was taking that from this page: http://www.ringholm.com/docs/03060_en_HL7_MIF.htm The Model Interchange Format (MIF) is a set of XML formats used to support the storage and exchange of HL7 version 3 artefacts as part of the HL7 Development Framework. I'm really not an expert on MIF or XML, but the syntax highlighting in SciTE when I selected XML was much better than no highlighting at all. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 05-Oct-14 5:06 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product.? Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., ) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., ) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Sorry, Craig, but there's nothing to suggest that MIF has any basis in SGML, either. MIF existed in FrameMaker from version 1.0 in 1986, which was the same year that SGML formally came into existence. Frame Technologies did not offer a product that supported SGML until they released FrameBuilder in 1992 in the FrameMaker 3.0 era. There is a fundamental difference in philosophy and purpose between MIF and SGML. The whole idea behind SGML was to define a way in which information could the marked up to self-identify the *semantic* purpose of the information independently of the presentational aspects (formatting) of a particular document. As tools for SGML were developed, the philosophy was that the presentation should be driven by the semantic purpose of each information element in its current context. MIF, on the other hand, is focused almost entirely on the *presentational* aspects of the information that is contained in a document. This is entirely appropriate because the language is used within the environment of a document processing software application. There is also a fundamental difference in the way the markup is structured. In SGML (and XML and HTML) only the tag names and attributes are contained within pairs of angle brackets. The content is contained between pairs of bracket-delimited tags (although the end tag may be assumed in some cases in HTML and SGML). Parsing out everything that is contained in brackets yields the raw, untagged text. In MIF, *everything* is contained within the angle brackets as name value tuples. The only thing that exists outside angle brackets are commentary strings that identify MIF structures. The document content is actually contained in delimited strings within a String ` ' element that is wrapped up in a bunch of nested formatting elements. For example, the following MIF snippet represents a single cell of a table that contains a single text character (I for input) in a String element that is nested 4 levels deep inside a Cell element, which is, in turn, nested inside Row, TblBody, and Tbl elements: Cell CellContent Notes # end of Notes Para Unique 1022301 PgfTag `CellBodyCenter' ParaLine String `I' # end of ParaLine # end of Para # end of CellContent # end of Cell If a text editor were to provide really useful on-screen highlighting, it would have the ability to highlight all the lines that are within a matching pair of brackets, such as the 11 lines that constitute the CellContent element or the 13 lines of the Cell element in the example. Just highlighting the element or property name that follows the left angle bracket may look nice, but really isn't particularly helpful IMO. It's really unfortunate that people jump to the conclusion that any markup language that uses angle brackets must be based on XML or HTML or SGML. There are only a small number of characters on a standard keyboard that are suitable for use as delimiters in a markup language and many different markup languages *independently* chose angle brackets as the best option. In reality, we should all be thankful that the authors of these markup languages chose something relatively user-friendly like angle brackets rather than retaining the ancestral form of markup use in IBM's Generalized Markup Language (GML) which looked something like this: :h1.Chapter 1: Introduction :p.GML supported hierarchical containers, such as :ol :li.Ordered lists (like this one), :li.Unordered lists, and :li.Definition lists :eol. as well as simple structures. :p.Markup minimization (later generalized and formalized in SGML), allowed the end-tags to be omitted for the h1 and p elements.Notice that only the ordered list structure (:ol) has an explicit end delimiter (:eol), whichc makes it really hard for a human reader to figure out wheretheheck you are. From: craig...@hotmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 07:32:26 -0500 Perhaps a project should be started to work on defining a MIF highlighter for NotePad++, since one can create a User Defined highlighter. Also, since FM SGML was around earlier than FMs XML capabilities, would it be accurate to say that MIF is an SGML based tagging implementation? (I expect even FMs SGML implementation came later but broader SGML definitions were certainly in use earlier). Sometimes asking a silly question can be productive. Perhaps starting from an SGML highlighting basis might then be useful. Also, partial highlighting is better than no highlighting, at times. Thank you. Craig From: docu...@hotmail.com To: shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
I have to say that I do not remember seeing in this discussion that in the context of FrameMaker MIF stands for Maker Interchange Format (i.e. Maker, not Model). When I used FrameMaker (last time was with 7.2) I used MIF to clean FM files, and also for FUN! For example, by editing MIF files (which are/were pure ascii text) in MSWord (Yes I did), I could cause formatting changes that could not be done through the FM menus (and were likely not supported). Chris You are currently subscribed to framers as cs...@sympatico.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
I did a lot if this in the early days as well. Things changed for me in 1998 when FrameScript was released. After that I was able to manipulate FrameMaker documents and automate workflows without having to use MIF. But MIF is powerful because it represents every aspect of a FrameMaker document in a text format. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Seal Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 10:37 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? I have to say that I do not remember seeing in this discussion that in the context of FrameMaker MIF stands for Maker Interchange Format (i.e. Maker, not Model). When I used FrameMaker (last time was with 7.2) I used MIF to clean FM files, and also for FUN! For example, by editing MIF files (which are/were pure ascii text) in MSWord (Yes I did), I could cause formatting changes that could not be done through the FM menus (and were likely not supported). Chris You are currently subscribed to framers as cs...@sympatico.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/cseal%40sympatico.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
At 10:11 -0400 6/10/14, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Craig, but there's nothing to suggest that MIF has any basis in SGML, either. Just goes to show how pioneering the original product was. Afair, its only competitor was Interleaf, which required one 'administrator' per six or so seats. -- Steve [reliving bitter memories from 1993-4] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Since this discussion has morphed a bit .. I'll add a bit more to the MIF/XML thread. When XML came around I always thought how nice it would be to be able to convert between MIF and XML. Since MIF does have some similarities with XML, it seemed like a reasonable thing to do. So in 2003 I created the beginning of what has become MIFML (the XML representation of a MIF file). http://leximation.com/tools/mifml/ I developed a DTD that maps all MIF 7 statements to comparable XML structures (including embedded graphics to some degree), then created a command line utility to perform the conversion from MIF to MIFML and back. This utility and the DTD are freely available from the URL above. I haven't touched this code in years, so it's stuck at MIF7 level, although that should still work reasonably well. Cheers, ...scott On 10/6/14 11:22 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 10:11 -0400 6/10/14, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Craig, but there's nothing to suggest that MIF has any basis in SGML, either. Just goes to show how pioneering the original product was. Afair, its only competitor was Interleaf, which required one 'administrator' per six or so seats. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Largely correct. Interleaf TPS predated FrameMaker by about 5 years. Until about 1990, both it and FrameMaker only ran on workstations and minicomputers (SUN SPARCstations, DEC PDPs, etc.) so the Interleaf licensing model was actually pretty familiar to (if not popular with) customers. Interleaf was also a structured authoring tool years before structured information (e.g., SGML) became an accepted concept, so I'd have to say that it was the real pioneer. But the combination of unpopular licensing and unfamiliar document model definitely gave FrameMaker a leg up when they got started. Another competitor started the same year as Frame, namely Ventura Publisher, who had the weight of Xerox behind them (this may or may not have been a good thing). Publisher had the advantage of being able to directly accept content created in a variety of other applications, such as MS Word, Wordstar, and WordPerfect, but had the disadvantage of not being a useable self-contained document authoring environment like FrameMaker. And there was also LaTeX for the hard core who didn't believe in WYSIWYG (or WYSIAWYG). When the Windows version of FrameMaker came along in 1991, and FrameBuilder (the SGML version) in 1992, there were a whole new set of competitors, including startup Arbortext in the SGML arena. -Fred Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:22:42 +0100 To: docu...@hotmail.com; craig...@hotmail.com; shmue...@gmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? At 10:11 -0400 6/10/14, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Craig, but there's nothing to suggest that MIF has any basis in SGML, either. Just goes to show how pioneering the original product was. Afair, its only competitor was Interleaf, which required one 'administrator' per six or so seats. -- Steve [reliving bitter memories from 1993-4] ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product. Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., elementX) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., /elementX) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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When I said that MIF was based on XML, I was taking that from this page: http://www.ringholm.com/docs/03060_en_HL7_MIF.htm "The Model Interchange Format (MIF) is a set of XML formats used to support the storage and exchange of HL7 version 3 artefacts as part of the HL7 Development Framework." I'm really not an expert on MIF or XML, but the syntax highlighting in SciTE when I selected XML was much better than no highlighting at all. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 05-Oct-14 5:06 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product. Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., elementX) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., /elementX) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
The article you cite is about the *Model* Interchange Format that relates to HL7, which Wikipedia tells me is a set of international standards for transfer of clinical and administrative data between Hospital information systems. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the *Maker* Interchange Format that is used in FrameMaker other than the same acronym. MIF ≠ MIF in this case. And as I said, the highlighting you see may be useful, but it is an accidental artifact of MIF's use of angle brackets as delimiters. -Fred Ridder Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:50:57 +0300 From: shmue...@gmail.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? When I said that MIF was based on XML, I was taking that from this page: http://www.ringholm.com/docs/03060_en_HL7_MIF.htm The Model Interchange Format (MIF) is a set of XML formats used to support the storage and exchange of HL7 version 3 artefacts as part of the HL7 Development Framework. I'm really not an expert on MIF or XML, but the syntax highlighting in SciTE when I selected XML was much better than no highlighting at all. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 05-Oct-14 5:06 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: Sorry, Shmuel, but this is incorrect on a couple of levels. First of all, it's simply impossible for MIF to have been *based on* XML. MIF has existed since the very beginning of FrameMaker in 1986. XML, on the other hand, was initially defined (XML 1.0 first edition) in 1998, 12 years after MIF was first included in a released product. Second, the syntax may look similar, but the similarity extends no deeper than the use of angle brackets as delimiters. In MIF, both the property/parameter name and its value or values (which may themselves be bracket-delimited properties) are contained inside the brackets. The end of each element is marked by a simple right angle-bracket. This is not a problem in simple, single-value elements that begin and end on the same line; but to accommodate multi-line elements have multiple properties nested within it, it is necessary to include a commentary string that identifies what element is closed by the immediately preceding bracket since all brackets have identical appearance. In XML, on the other hand, the angle brackets only contain the name of the element type. The content (e.g., the value of the property or parameter) is *outside* the angle brackets, delimited by a bracketed start tag (e.g., elementX) and a corresponding explicitly named end tag (e.g., /elementX) . When your text editor highlights it as XML, it would highlight the opening angle bracket and parameter name string as if they were XML start tags. But the parameter values would not be highlighted because they appear in a location where XML does not allow text. Depending on your editor, numerical parameter values might be highlighted just because they are numerical. This degree of highlighting might be useful, but it is essentially accidental rather than by design. -Fred Ridder From: shmue...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? MIF is based on XML, so select XML highlighting in the text editor. I just tried it in SciTE and it looks good after selecting XML. It may also work in NotePad++ but I didn't try it. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Some popular ones: EditPad EditPlus NotePad++ NoteTab Some of those may be free only for non-commercial use. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Only real choice is Notepad++ (http://notepad-plus-plus.org/) On Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:27 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: Some popular ones: EditPad EditPlus NotePad++ NoteTab Some of those may be free only for non-commercial use. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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NotePad++ is GNU Licensed and absolutely free. It saves in a bunch of different formats; very handy. - Original Message - From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com To: Theresa de Valence t...@bstw.com, framers framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:27:19 PM Subject: Re: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Some popular ones: EditPad EditPlus NotePad++ NoteTab Some of those may be free only for non-commercial use. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jackdel...@comcast.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jackdeland%40comcast.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Notepad++ (http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org/) is my text editor of choice. If you're into trying exciting, fresh, new things, Atom (https://atom.io/) is the cool new thing from the creators of GitHub. I haven't played with it much though. Adam -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence Sent: October-02-14 3:18 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Thanks, Theresa ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as adam.holl...@solacesystems.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/adam.hollett%40solacesystems.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Notepad++ is probably the best of the free/OSS editors; however, I don't know if it supports syntax highlighting for MIF. This may not matter to you, but it does make life easier when editing files. If you can spare a few dollars, TextPad is a good editor and does have syntax highlighting for MIF (and many, many other languages and formats). http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/synh2m.html Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hollett Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 3:36 PM To: Theresa de Valence; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Notepad++ (http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org/) is my text editor of choice. If you're into trying exciting, fresh, new things, Atom (https://atom.io/) is the cool new thing from the creators of GitHub. I haven't played with it much though. Adam NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files?
Notepad++ does not have syntax highlighting for MIF. It's hard to find user-created syntax highlighting for Notepad++ unless it's a very popular syntax. I don't imagine anyone has defined MIF in their spare time. I forgot to mention Subline Text (http://www.sublimetext.com/), a very popular editor which has a trial version that I believe can be used indefinitely. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Keith Soltys Sent: October-02-14 3:55 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Notepad++ is probably the best of the free/OSS editors; however, I don't know if it supports syntax highlighting for MIF. This may not matter to you, but it does make life easier when editing files. If you can spare a few dollars, TextPad is a good editor and does have syntax highlighting for MIF (and many, many other languages and formats). http://www.textpad.com/add-ons/synh2m.html Regards Keith -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hollett Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 3:36 PM To: Theresa de Valence; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: What free Windows text editor should I use to look at MIF files? Notepad++ (http://www.notepad-plus-plus.org/) is my text editor of choice. If you're into trying exciting, fresh, new things, Atom (https://atom.io/) is the cool new thing from the creators of GitHub. I haven't played with it much though. Adam NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail, including all materials contained in or attached to this e-mail, contains proprietary and confidential information solely for the internal use of the intended recipient. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or otherwise and ensure that it is permanently deleted from your systems, and do not print, copy, distribute or read its contents. AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ Le présent courriel, y compris tous les documents qu'il contient ou qui y sont joints, renferme des renseignements exclusifs et confidentiels destinés uniquement à l'usage interne du destinataire prévu. Si vous avez reçu le présent courriel par erreur, veuillez nous aviser immédiatement, notamment par retour de courriel, et vous assurer qu'il est supprimé de façon permanente de vos systèmes; veuillez également vous abstenir d'imprimer, de copier, de distribuer ou de lire son contenu. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as adam.holl...@solacesystems.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/adam.hollett%40solacesystems.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Text Editor recommendation
Notepad ++ here http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm Free, expandable, and rock-solid. Grant -Original Message- Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any recommendation on a text editor? I don't think I have anything other than Notepad installed currently, as I don't use text editors a lot. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text Editor recommendation
Textad is a popular and powerful text editor. Watch out if you need true Unicode support, though. Doesn't quite get there. On Feb 12, 2008 10:28 AM, Grant Hogarth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notepad ++ here http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm Free, expandable, and rock-solid. Grant -Original Message- Linda G. Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any recommendation on a text editor? I don't think I have anything other than Notepad installed currently, as I don't use text editors a lot. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/naglists%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Paul Nagai ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Text Editor recommendation
Notepad ++ here http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm Free, expandable, and rock-solid. Grant -Original Message- "Linda G. Gallagher" wrote: Any recommendation on a text editor? I don't think I have anything other than Notepad installed currently, as I don't use text editors a lot.
Text Editor recommendation
Textad is a popular and powerful text editor. Watch out if you need true Unicode support, though. Doesn't quite get there. On Feb 12, 2008 10:28 AM, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Notepad ++ here > http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm > > Free, expandable, and rock-solid. > > Grant > > -Original Message- > "Linda G. Gallagher" wrote: > > Any recommendation on a text editor? I don't think I have anything other > than Notepad installed currently, as I don't use text editors a lot. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as naglists at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/naglists%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Paul Nagai
Text Editor
You could also try SciTE Text Editor. It's free open source, and works for many programming languages and HTML. It has lots of nice features, especially for a free program. You can mark all instances of a certain phrase and press F2 to go from one to the next. I use it as a regular text editor as well for this feature alone. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text Editor
Here's a link. It looks like a contender. http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html --- Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could also try SciTE Text Editor. It's free open source, and works for many programming languages and HTML. It has lots of nice features, especially for a free program. You can mark all instances of a certain phrase and press F2 to go from one to the next. I use it as a regular text editor as well for this feature alone. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Text Editor
You could also try SciTE Text Editor. It's free open source, and works for many programming languages and HTML. It has lots of nice features, especially for a free program. You can mark all instances of a certain phrase and press F2 to go from one to the next. I use it as a regular text editor as well for this feature alone. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson
Text Editor
Here's a link. It looks like a contender. http://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTE.html --- Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > You could also try SciTE Text Editor. It's free open source, and > works > for many programming languages and HTML. It has lots of nice > features, > especially for a free program. You can mark all instances of a > certain > phrase and press F2 to go from one to the next. I use it as a regular > text editor as well for this feature alone. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?
Guy, You wrote: If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of sample code... and the code indents blocks for readability... and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and paste into a Plain Old Text Editor... is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the indentions? ... The only way that I know of is to embed the original code blocks (with the required tabs/spaces) as text file annotations in the PDF; these can be opened in Acrobat/Reader 6 or higher in the original form. For more info/examples, see Code Fragments: What You See vs. What You Get http://www.microtype.com/homeHmmm.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?
Guy, You wrote: >If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of >sample code... > >and the code indents blocks for readability... > >and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and >paste into a Plain Old Text Editor... > >is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the >indentions? ... The only way that I know of is to embed the original code blocks (with the required tabs/spaces) as text file annotations in the PDF; these can be opened in Acrobat/Reader 6 or higher in the original form. For more info/examples, see "Code Fragments: What You See vs. What You Get" http://www.microtype.com/homeHmmm.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat
Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?
If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of sample code... and the code indents blocks for readability... and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and paste into a Plain Old Text Editor... is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the indentions? I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker template, but added some customizations. I'm moving the content over to a new template set. The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old template used tabs to indent. The new template has a different paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any of the code paragraph styles. My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows: Code para at the Body para left margin CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin etc and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the same grid. The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body para indention system and the character width of the code font can be made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy. But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces are omitted. Ideas? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Copy-and-paste from FrameMaker PDF to text editor, preserving leading spaces?
If I create a document in FrameMaker, and it contains some blocks of sample code... and the code indents blocks for readability... and I want the reader to be able to copy from the code material and paste into a Plain Old Text Editor... is there any way you know of to do this in a manner that will retain the indentions? I'm wrestling with conversion of a book that used our old FrameMaker template, but added some customizations. I'm moving the content over to a new template set. The code paragraphs (with overrides) in the old template used tabs to indent. The new template has a different paragraph style for each level of indention, and defines no tabs in any of the code paragraph styles. My template-design sense would be that code paragraph styles should be used to specify the indention level of the entire block of code, indenting it to correspond with the body paragraphs it follows: Code para at the Body para left margin CodeIndent1 para at the BodyIndent1 para left margin etc and then each flavor of code para should have tab stops defined on the same grid. The code is in a fixed-width font, so as long as the body para indention system and the character width of the code font can be made to align (reasonably), I'd be happy. But when I select text lines of the PDF that contain code and copy them to the clipboard, then paste them into a text editor, all leading spaces are omitted. Ideas? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley
