RE: future of FrameMaker

[Austin Meredith]

Dov wrote:
On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated,
let me assure you that FrameMaker remains under active development.
A next major version is currently being developed.

Why ever would Adobe abandon FrameMaker? This is not just a 
techwriter tool we're dealing with here, folks. A soon as Adobe adds 
an internet browser to the sweet suite, and parses its boolian search 
logic, and roundtrips full wysiwyg XHTML generation, they will have 
created the one-package solution to everything that is going on in 
cyberspace! Nobody else is anywhere near this close to that 
one-package solution. They're poised to be masters of the known 
universe. MSWord doesn't have the ghost of a chance of pulling off 
some grand integration like this. FrameMaker will become the killer 
app. We'll eventually have one tool in which we can create and 
maintain web content, and then go browsing. But this is going to take 
a little faith.


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RE: future of FrameMaker

[maxwell.hoffmann]

Hello Jakob,

(I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard A., I too
am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great venue for new info and
easy access to experts; I highly recommend it!) 

Adobe flew in at least three of the developers from their facility in
India for this event. I had an interesting discussion with them this
evening. (By the way I worked for Frame Technology for 5.5 years). My
private conclusion, after the discussion, is that it is just possible
that there are now more developers working on FrameMaker than at any
time in its history, including pre-Adobe days.

When Frame Technology was an independent entity before the Adobe
acquisition, there were arguably more bodies in the engineering
department, but a significant amount of that staff was dedicated to just
porting FrameMaker to the many disparate UNIX platforms so common in
those days. Enormous QA staff were mandated by the many platforms,
(NeXT, SCO, OpenLook, X/Motif et al), which have thankfully come and
gone. With fewer platforms to test and manage, Adobe is now able to
concentrate on really improving FrameMaker and potentially integrating
it with even more solutions. The recent integration of FrameMaker with
Robohelp and Captivate is astonishing and opens up incredible new vistas
for the product in the e_Learning space.

Adobe has a solid, experienced team of FrameMaker developers that have
proven themselves with astonishing results over the past few years. The
introduction of UNICODE was a huge milestone, not half appreciated
enough outside of the translation industry, where I work. Due to the
seamless integration of UNICODE on all levels, new users in Russia,
Poland, Greece and other regions with formerly unsupported languages can
now take full advantage of FrameMaker's many gifts. This opens up the
door for FrameMaker to truly become a significant force in publishing
and DITA on a truly global level. 

FrameMaker's current developers and product management team are highly
proactive in seeking out user feedback: they monitor input on major
online forums and welcome face-to-face feedback at significant venues
they attend in North America and elsewhere. FYI -- I attended at least
two conferences last year in which Adobe was the *only* vendor present
to have developers in the booth!

Naturally, I cannot touch on what I confidentially discussed with the
developers tonight, but suffice it to say that in my opinion, FrameMaker
has never been more alive, nor had a more promising future than it
does today, in Feb 2008. I have worked with FrameMaker continuously for
20 years, as of this August. I was even the product marketing manager
for FrameMaker V3.0 and V3.5. Like many on this forum, I briefly had
concerns about the product's future 8 or 9 years ago, but those
unsubstantiated fears evaporated long ago. 

I know that the death of FrameMaker rumors will probably resurface
again, not unlike that 1960s urban myth about the woman who died from a
Black Widow spider bite in her bee hive hairdo! A word to the wise; the
next time you hear such rumors, ignore them. FrameMaker is here to stay,
and as far as product management and development go, my favorite product
has never been in better hands. 

p.s. I had dinner with FrameMaker's inventor, Charles Corefield, a
couple of months ago, and he confessed that he too has never been more
confident about FrameMaker's future. Does that answer your question?
;-)

My last post on this subject.

Maxwell Hoffmann
Production Lead
Welocalize

Tel. 503.274.2211
Mob. 301.693.7728
Fax: 503.274.2611
www.welocalize.com

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From: Jakob Fix [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

maxwell.hoffmann wrote:
 
 (I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard 
 A., I too am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great 
 venue for new info and easy access to experts; I highly 
 recommend it!) 

I attended the 2005 Chautauqua and thought it was well worth my
employer's money. g I really regret that for budget and schedule
reasons, I couldn't attend last year's or this year's. 

Thank you, Maxwell, for this terrific post. I appreciate the information
and insights.

For the next year or two, every time someone posts some variant of I
heard FrameMaker is dead, let's all forward them Maxwell's excellent
update. 

Richard


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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

This will be the 30th and I hope the LAST of all posts under this 
subject line. This is taking an awful lot of user bandwidth and 
productive time away from revenue-generating, useful work. Please 
desist from continuing this thread. This poor horse has been beat to 
death so many times that only the hide is left.

Grumpy...

At 07:00 AM 2/15/2008, Combs, Richard wrote:
maxwell.hoffmann wrote:

  (I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard
  A., I too am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great
  venue for new info and easy access to experts; I highly
  recommend it!)

I attended the 2005 Chautauqua and thought it was well worth my
employer's money. g I really regret that for budget and schedule
reasons, I couldn't attend last year's or this year's.

Thank you, Maxwell, for this terrific post. I appreciate the information
and insights.

For the next year or two, every time someone posts some variant of I
heard FrameMaker is dead, let's all forward them Maxwell's excellent
update.

Richard


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future of FrameMaker

[Austin Meredith]

Dov wrote:
>On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated,
>let me assure you that FrameMaker remains under active development.
>A next major version is currently being developed.

Why ever would Adobe abandon FrameMaker? This is not just a 
techwriter tool we're dealing with here, folks. A soon as Adobe adds 
an internet browser to the sweet suite, and parses its boolian search 
logic, and roundtrips full wysiwyg XHTML generation, they will have 
created the one-package solution to everything that is going on in 
cyberspace! Nobody else is anywhere near this close to that 
one-package solution. They're poised to be masters of the known 
universe. MSWord doesn't have the ghost of a chance of pulling off 
some grand integration like this. FrameMaker will become the killer 
app. We'll eventually have one tool in which we can create and 
maintain web content, and then go browsing. But this is going to take 
a little faith.

future of FrameMaker

[maxwell.hoffmann]

Hello Jakob,

(I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard A., I too
am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great venue for new info and
easy access to experts; I highly recommend it!) 

Adobe flew in at least three of the developers from their facility in
India for this event. I had an interesting discussion with them this
evening. (By the way I worked for Frame Technology for 5.5 years). My
private conclusion, after the discussion, is that it is just possible
that there are now more developers working on FrameMaker than at any
time in its history, including pre-Adobe days.

When Frame Technology was an independent entity before the Adobe
acquisition, there were arguably more "bodies" in the engineering
department, but a significant amount of that staff was dedicated to just
porting FrameMaker to the many disparate UNIX platforms so common in
those days. Enormous QA staff were mandated by the many platforms,
(NeXT, SCO, OpenLook, X/Motif et al), which have thankfully come and
gone. With fewer platforms to test and manage, Adobe is now able to
concentrate on really improving FrameMaker and potentially integrating
it with even more solutions. The recent integration of FrameMaker with
Robohelp and Captivate is astonishing and opens up incredible new vistas
for the product in the e_Learning space.

Adobe has a solid, experienced team of FrameMaker developers that have
proven themselves with astonishing results over the past few years. The
introduction of UNICODE was a huge milestone, not half appreciated
enough outside of the translation industry, where I work. Due to the
seamless integration of UNICODE on all levels, new users in Russia,
Poland, Greece and other regions with formerly unsupported languages can
now take full advantage of FrameMaker's many gifts. This opens up the
door for FrameMaker to truly become a significant force in publishing
and DITA on a truly global level. 

FrameMaker's current developers and product management team are highly
proactive in seeking out user feedback: they monitor input on major
online forums and welcome face-to-face feedback at significant venues
they attend in North America and elsewhere. FYI -- I attended at least
two conferences last year in which Adobe was the *only* vendor present
to have developers in the booth!

Naturally, I cannot touch on what I confidentially discussed with the
developers tonight, but suffice it to say that in my opinion, FrameMaker
has never been more "alive," nor had a more promising future than it
does today, in Feb 2008. I have worked with FrameMaker continuously for
20 years, as of this August. I was even the product marketing manager
for FrameMaker V3.0 and V3.5. Like many on this forum, I briefly had
concerns about the product's future 8 or 9 years ago, but those
unsubstantiated fears evaporated long ago. 

I know that the "death of FrameMaker" rumors will probably resurface
again, not unlike that 1960s urban myth about the woman who died from a
Black Widow spider bite in her bee hive hairdo! A word to the wise; the
next time you hear such rumors, ignore them. FrameMaker is here to stay,
and as far as product management and development go, my favorite product
has never been in better hands. 

p.s. I had dinner with FrameMaker's inventor, Charles Corefield, a
couple of months ago, and he confessed that he too has never been more
confident about FrameMaker's future. "Does that answer your question?"
;-)

My last post on this subject.

Maxwell Hoffmann
Production Lead
Welocalize

Tel. 503.274.2211
Mob. 301.693.7728
Fax: 503.274.2611
www.welocalize.com

-Original Message-
From: Jakob Fix [mailto:jakob@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

maxwell.hoffmann wrote:

> (I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard 
> A., I too am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great 
> venue for new info and easy access to experts; I highly 
> recommend it!) 

I attended the 2005 Chautauqua and thought it was well worth my
employer's money.  I really regret that for budget and schedule
reasons, I couldn't attend last year's or this year's. 

Thank you, Maxwell, for this terrific post. I appreciate the information
and insights.

For the next year or two, every time someone posts some variant of "I
heard FrameMaker is dead," let's all forward them Maxwell's excellent
update. 

Richard


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future of FrameMaker

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

This will be the 30th and I hope the LAST of all posts under this 
subject line. This is taking an awful lot of user bandwidth and 
productive time away from revenue-generating, useful work. Please 
desist from continuing this thread. This poor horse has been beat to 
death so many times that only the hide is left.

Grumpy...

At 07:00 AM 2/15/2008, Combs, Richard wrote:
>maxwell.hoffmann wrote:
>
> > (I've read the other replies to this post also.) Like Bernard
> > A., I too am at the annual FrameMaker Chautauqua. (A great
> > venue for new info and easy access to experts; I highly
> > recommend it!)
>
>I attended the 2005 Chautauqua and thought it was well worth my
>employer's money.  I really regret that for budget and schedule
>reasons, I couldn't attend last year's or this year's.
>
>Thank you, Maxwell, for this terrific post. I appreciate the information
>and insights.
>
>For the next year or two, every time someone posts some variant of "I
>heard FrameMaker is dead," let's all forward them Maxwell's excellent
>update.
>
>Richard
>
>
>--
>Richard G. Combs
>Senior Technical Writer
>Polycom, Inc.
>richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>303-223-5111
>--
>rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
>303-777-0436
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>
>
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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Lin Surasky]

Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again for 
oh, at least another week or so
Where does the time go?
;-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker
 
Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I
have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on
that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same
ardour as some months ago) ...

thanks anyway :)

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
 for oh, at least another week or so
  Where does the time go?
  ;-)



  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
  Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
  To: Framers List
  Subject: future of FrameMaker

  Hello,

  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
  slightly worried about the future.

  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

  --
  cheers,
  Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why would they come out with the Adobe Technical Writing Suite and then 
just drop it?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Lin Surasky wrote:
 Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
 for oh, at least another week or so
 Where does the time go?
 ;-)

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
 To: Framers List
 Subject: future of FrameMaker
  
 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
 Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
 organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
 don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
 slightly worried about the future.

 Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

   
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
is currently being developed.

Any person attending an Adobe training session would certainly
not have heard any information to the contrary.

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:47 AM

 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
 Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
 organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
 don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
 slightly worried about the future.

 Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

 --
 cheers,
 Jakob.
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

Jakob Fix wrote:
 
 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 

You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first dozen
or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen or so. Now
-- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite -- it's just silly
and becoming tiresome.

 heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
 FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
 development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 

Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will die,
too. 

 user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
 contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
 the future.

The future's uncertain and the end is always near.

Have a beer. :-)

Richard


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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
|  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
|  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
|  heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
|  FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
|  development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
|  user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
|  contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
|  the future.
| 
| The future's uncertain and the end is always near.
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
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| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Bill Swallow]

They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
the two tools can work together.

This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf are not to be trusted.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
  slightly worried about the future.

  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
 FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
 is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register saveframemakerpetition.org :-))

Paul
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Mike Wickham]

Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
competitors. :)

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Re: future of FrameMaker

[rinch]

Oh, no, not again! Where do these death of FrameMaker myths start? If 
you've been going to conferences and reading industry-related 
publications, you'd know FrameMaker is alive and well loved by Adobe.

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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I wonder is these rumors are started by competitors. It's possible that 
Adobe puts less development time into FM as they do their other more 
profitable programs, but I think it's highly unlikely that they will 
stop developing it entirely.

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Mike Wickham wrote:
 Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
 They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
 FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
  the two tools can work together.

  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
words with double meanings.

Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been
static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean,
FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
out, live, 24x7x365?

Regards,

Peter
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Only if it's shinier.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framers-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:03 AM
 To: Framers
 Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker
 
 Why do programs always have to go somewhere to be worth using? As
long
 a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping
 up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major
 overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like
 to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to
new
 versions. I think it's mostly psychological.
 
 Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a
 few new features?
 
 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
 
 
 
 Peter Gold wrote:
  On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6
so
   the two tools can work together.
 
   This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
 
 
  This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
  words with double meanings.
 
  Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been
  static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean,
  FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
  out, live, 24x7x365?
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

Bernard



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernard
Aschwanden
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Jakob Fix'; 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: future of FrameMaker

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



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Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
Jakob.
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture
Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Bernard:

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Bernard Aschwanden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
  the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
  FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that FM can't read your mind and fix typos,
content errors, and badly-thought-out language. After all, this is now
version 8G.

When I worked at Ashton-Tate (who?), the dBASE development team was
working towards reducing the command language to two commands: Set
bugs OFF, and DO what I'm thinking. It's always good to aim high, and
persist in getting closer to that goal.

Thanks for the on-the-scene update.

Regards,

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RE: future of FrameMaker

[richard.melanson]

What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
since.  
Rick

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:03 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker

Why do programs always have to go somewhere to be worth using? As long a 
company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping up with 
other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major overhaul in each 
version. That's the myth that software companies like to perpetuate, in order 
to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new versions. I think it's mostly 
psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a few new 
features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 
 so  the two tools can work together.

  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
 

 This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about 
 words with double meanings.

 Does hasn't gone anywhere mean FrameMaker development has been 
 static while the world around it has moved on, or does it mean, 
 FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart 
 out, live, 24x7x365?

 Regards,

 Peter
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RE: future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Jakob,

We at Adobe would greatly appreciate it if you could send me, off-list,
the name of the Adobe-approved training company that either stated
or implied that there may be an end to development of FrameMaker.
We would like to follow-up with them and send them for re-education at
Gulag Adobe.   :-)

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Jakob Fix
 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:30 PM

 Hi Rick, everybody,

 On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future 
  of Framemaker is that it
 did not make it into my regular email, my server identified it as spam and 
 junk mail, I just happened
 to see it as I was deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, 
 has he spoken up since.
   Rick

 I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
 from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
 people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
 training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
 in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
 the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
 tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
 terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

 Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
 I also apologize for the loss of your time.

 Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

 --
 cheers,
 Jakob
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hi Rick, everybody,

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
 Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
 identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
 deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
 since.
  Rick

I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
I also apologize for the loss of your time.

Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
them.

Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.

Regards,

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  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
  support for Mac OS X.
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Re: future of FrameMaker

[John Posada]

Is it that time again?

On 2/14/08, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello,

 I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
 information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
 people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
 Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the

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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Lin Surasky]

Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again for 
oh, at least another week or so
Where does the time go?
;-)

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
cheers,
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future of FrameMaker

[Jakob Fix]

I know I know, I did check the archives, but this was information I
have received today ... so I thought maybe there's something going on
that I hadn't noticed (not currently reading the list with the same
ardour as some months ago) ...

thanks anyway :)

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.


On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Lin Surasky  wrote:
> Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
> for oh, at least another week or so
>  Where does the time go?
>  ;-)
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
>  Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
>  To: Framers List
>  Subject: future of FrameMaker
>
>  Hello,
>
>  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
>  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
>  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
>  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
>  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
>  slightly worried about the future.
>
>  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
>  --
>  cheers,
>  Jakob.
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future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why would they come out with the Adobe Technical Writing Suite and then 
just drop it?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Lin Surasky wrote:
> Gosh, has it been 4 months ALREADY? I didn't think this would come up again 
> for oh, at least another week or so
> Where does the time go?
> ;-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thu 2/14/2008 5:46 AM
> To: Framers List
> Subject: future of FrameMaker
>  
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
> organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
> don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
> slightly worried about the future.
>
> Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
>   

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
is currently being developed.

Any person attending an "Adobe training session" would certainly
not have heard any information to the contrary.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:47 AM
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
> organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
> don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
> slightly worried about the future.
>
> Any insights will be greatly appreciated.
>
> --
> cheers,
> Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Combs, Richard]

Jakob Fix wrote:

> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 

You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first dozen
or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen or so. Now
-- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite -- it's just silly
and becoming tiresome.

> heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
> FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
> development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 

Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will die,
too. 

> user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
> contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
> the future.

"The future's uncertain and the end is always near."

Have a beer. :-)

Richard


--
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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 14:52, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated, let me assure you that
> FrameMaker remains under active development. A next major version
> is currently being developed.


Shucks...

...I was just about to register  :-))

Paul

future of FrameMaker

[Lester C. Smalley]

I'll drink to that!  (although actually I prefer good ales...)

There is a point when such speculation does warrant consideration, such 
as the (very) long lag between updates or new releases that FrameMaker 
has experienced in the past.  However, given the fairly recent release 
of FM8 and then the Technical Communication Suite edition, this is 
frankly ridiculous at this time.

On Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:16 AM, Richard Combs wrote:

| Jakob Fix wrote:
|  
| > I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand 
| > information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently 
| 
| You know, this question was worth serious consideration the first
| dozen or so times it came up. It was mildly amusing the next dozen 
| or so. Now -- after release of FM8 and the tech writing suite --
| it's just silly and becoming tiresome.
| 
| > heard of people having attended Adobe training sessions for 
| > FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker 
| > development.  As the organization I am working for is a big 
| 
| Adobe will stop FrameMaker development -- someday. And you will
| die, too. 
| 
| > user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct 
| > contacts with Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about 
| > the future.
| 
| "The future's uncertain and the end is always near."
| 
| Have a beer. :-)
| 
| Richard
| 
| 
| --
| Richard G. Combs
| Senior Technical Writer
| Polycom, Inc.
| richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
| 303-223-5111
| --
| rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
| 303-777-0436
| --


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future of FrameMaker

[Bill Swallow]

They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
the two tools can work together.

This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf are not to be trusted.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 7:46 AM, Jakob Fix  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
>  information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
>  people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
>  Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>  organization I am working for is a big user of FrameMaker (but we
>  don't currently have any direct contacts with Adobe), we are getting
>  slightly worried about the future.
>
>  Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

future of FrameMaker

[ri...@inficon.com]

Oh, no, not again! Where do these "death of FrameMaker" myths start? If 
you've been going to conferences and reading industry-related 
publications, you'd know FrameMaker is alive and well loved by Adobe.

Richard

future of FrameMaker

[Mike Wickham]

Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
competitors. :)

Mike Wickham

future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

I wonder is these rumors are started by competitors. It's possible that 
Adobe puts less development time into FM as they do their other more 
profitable programs, but I think it's highly unlikely that they will 
stop developing it entirely.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
052-763-7133



Mike Wickham wrote:
> Adobe just came out with version 8 a few months ago, and two updates since. 
> They are also actively seeking feature requests for version 9 in the Adobe 
> FrameMaker Users Forum. You'd be better off to worry about FrameMaker's 
> competitors. :)
>
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future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
wrote:
> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
>  the two tools can work together.
>
>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.

This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
words with double meanings.

Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
"FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
out, live, 24x7x365?"

Regards,

Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As long 
a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping 
up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major 
overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like 
to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new 
versions. I think it's mostly psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a 
few new features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
> wrote:
>   
>> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 so
>>  the two tools can work together.
>>
>>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
>> 
>
> This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
> words with double meanings.
>
> Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
> static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
> "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
> out, live, 24x7x365?"
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[Kelly McDaniel]

Only if it's shinier.

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:03 AM
> To: Framers
> Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker
> 
> Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As
long
> a company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping
> up with other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major
> overhaul in each version. That's the myth that software companies like
> to perpetuate, in order to give people reasons to keep upgrading to
new
> versions. I think it's mostly psychological.
> 
> Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a
> few new features?
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Gold wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow

> wrote:
> >
> >> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6
so
> >>  the two tools can work together.
> >>
> >>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
> >>
> >
> > This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about
> > words with double meanings.
> >
> > Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been
> > static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean,
> > "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart
> > out, live, 24x7x365?"
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture
Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
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future of FrameMaker

[Bernard Aschwanden]

Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

Bernard



-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard
Aschwanden
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:22 PM
To: 'Jakob Fix'; 'Framers List'
Subject: RE: future of FrameMaker

Please see every email from the past 10 plus years that I've posted to the
Frame Users about the demise of Frame. Rather than writing it again it helps
me. I should just put that message into a CMS as a DITA file for the future
so that I can reuse it over and over and over when the rumor starts up. 

I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe is here.
They are talking about the future of the product. The development team is
here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I can't
possibly see it all being done for show.

So, while I don't work for Adobe, I can say definitively that there is a
future for the product. I'm in direct contact with all levels of the dev
team right here and there are all moving ahead.

Add to that the tech comm suite and the future looks bright.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture Bright Path Solutions

www.brightpathsolutions.com 



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:47 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: future of FrameMaker

Hello,

I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand information
about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of people having
attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that Adobe may/will probably
stop FrameMaker development.  As the organization I am working for is a big
user of FrameMaker (but we don't currently have any direct contacts with
Adobe), we are getting slightly worried about the future.

Any insights will be greatly appreciated.

--
cheers,
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[Peter Gold]

Hi, Bernard:

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Bernard Aschwanden
 wrote:
> Fast typing, less proofreading in my message below. Looking over this I see
>  the errors. Note that they are my fault, not the fault of Outlook or of
>  FrameMaker. Which has a future. Definitely.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! that FM can't read your mind and fix typos,
content errors, and badly-thought-out language. After all, this is now
version 8.

When I worked at Ashton-Tate (who?), the dBASE development team was
working towards reducing the command language to two commands: Set
bugs OFF, and DO what I'm thinking. It's always good to aim high, and
persist in getting closer to that goal.

Thanks for the on-the-scene update.

Regards,

Peter
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future of FrameMaker

[richard.melan...@us.tel.com]

What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
since.  
Rick

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:03 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: future of FrameMaker

Why do programs always have to "go" somewhere to be worth using? As long a 
company supports it's products, tries to fix the bugs and is keeping up with 
other tools of it's kind, there does not have to be a major overhaul in each 
version. That's the myth that software companies like to perpetuate, in order 
to give people reasons to keep upgrading to new versions. I think it's mostly 
psychological.

Do you buy a new car every time the next year's model comes out with a few new 
features?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Peter Gold wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Bill Swallow  
> wrote:
>   
>> They just invested a ton of work into not only FM8 but also to RH 6 
>> so  the two tools can work together.
>>
>>  This topic comes up regularly, and yet FM hasn't gone anywhere.
>> 
>
> This could fit nicely into  a thread on a tech-writer's list about 
> words with double meanings.
>
> Does "hasn't gone anywhere" mean "FrameMaker development has been 
> static while the world around it has moved on," or does it mean, 
> "FrameMaker is still here in the building, and performing its heart 
> out, live, 24x7x365?"
>
> Regards,
>
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[Jakob Fix]

Hi Rick, everybody,

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,   wrote:
> What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future of 
> Framemaker is that it did not make it into my regular email, my server 
> identified it as spam and junk mail, I just happened to see it as I was 
> deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, has he spoken up 
> since.
>  Rick

I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)

Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
I also apologize for the loss of your time.

Would this be a good moment to end this thread?

-- 
cheers,
Jakob.

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Jakob,

We at Adobe would greatly appreciate it if you could send me, off-list,
the name of the "Adobe-approved training company" that either stated
or implied that there "may be an end to development of FrameMaker."
We would like to follow-up with them and send them for re-education at
Gulag Adobe.   :-)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Jakob Fix
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 12:30 PM
>
> Hi Rick, everybody,
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:54 PM,   wrote:
> > What I find funny about the ORIGINAL posted question regarding the future 
> > of Framemaker is that it
> did not make it into my regular email, my server identified it as spam and 
> junk mail, I just happened
> to see it as I was deleting it! Who is the original poster of the question, 
> has he spoken up since.
> >  Rick
>
> I am the OP and I am glad especially to have got an official answer
> from Dov, as it was management (as usual) that told me about some
> people having heard at a training session from an Adobe approved
> training company that there may be an end of development of FrameMaker
> in the foreseeable future. I have asked to get more information about
> the source, but am still waiting for it.  Re spam: Maybe you should
> tune your spam filter if gmail.com accounts and a combination of the
> terms FrameMaker and future are considered spam :)
>
> Thanks anyway to everybody for having spoken up, I appreciate it, and
> I also apologize for the loss of your time.
>
> Would this be a good moment to end this thread?
>
> --
> cheers,
> Jakob

future of FrameMaker

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 18:22, Bernard Aschwanden wrote:

> I'm at the FrameMaker Chautauqua in North Carolina right now. Adobe  
> is here.
> They are talking about the future of the product. The development  
> team is
> here. They are interviewing people and discussing requirements for the
> future. There is an active discussion between all attendees and I  
> can't

Hi Bernard,

At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the  
team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've  
signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is  
support for Mac OS X.

Thanks

Paul

future of FrameMaker

[Peter Gold]

Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
them.

Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.

Regards,

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On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Paul Findon  wrote:
>  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
>  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
>  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
>  support for Mac OS X.

future of FrameMaker

[Steve Rickaby]

At 15:09 -0600 14/2/08, Peter Gold wrote:

>Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the Technical 
>Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp, and Acrobat 8 3D, 
>the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because Captivate and RoboHelp 
>are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on Mac OS X is short a few 
>important forms and other features because Apple doesn't expose the hooks they 
>require for developers to program them.

We don't mind: we'd be happy just with the @$%?%&@! application.

-- 
Steve

future of FrameMaker

[Dov Isaacs]

Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...

Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
MacIntel systems.

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:10 PM
>
> Paul's raised an interesting issue here. With the release of the
> Technical Communication Suite, which includes Captivate 3, RoboHelp,
> and Acrobat 8 3D, the outlook for FM on Mac OS X looks bleaker because
> Captivate and RoboHelp are Windows-only applications, and Acrobat on
> Mac OS X is short a few important forms and other features because
> Apple doesn't expose the hooks they require for developers to program
> them.
>
> Perhaps the quote about FM development being frozen related to
> Macintosh support, which seems to be even more likely to be permanent
> with FM's bundled partner applications in the TCS.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Paul Findon  wrote:
> >  At the risk of repeating myself (ha, ha!), please tell RJ and the
> >  team that the feature I - and the nearly 4,000 Adobe customers who've
> >  signed the FM4OSX Petition - really, really want in FrameMaker 9.0 is
> >  support for Mac OS X.

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Paul Findon]

On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
>
> Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> MacIntel systems.

A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel  
Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,  
Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're  
looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More  
at:


Paul

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Dov Isaacs]

Understand, though, that even if that "works" it would be considered
an unsupported configuration by Adobe. There is absolutely NO technical
support for using Adobe applications under such environments. (A similar
issue came up with regards to running InDesign under WINE on various
Linux and UNIX platforms.)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM
>
> On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
> >
> > Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> > of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> > same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> > You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> > MacIntel systems.
>
> A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel
> Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,
> Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're
> looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More
> at:
> 
>
> Paul

WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

[Flato, Gillian]

Dov,

Are you whining about WINE 

Sorry, couldn't resist. 

-Gillian


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Paul Findon; Framers List
Subject: RE: WINE (Was Re: future of FrameMaker)

Understand, though, that even if that "works" it would be considered
an unsupported configuration by Adobe. There is absolutely NO technical
support for using Adobe applications under such environments. (A similar
issue came up with regards to running InDesign under WINE on various
Linux and UNIX platforms.)

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:53 PM
>
> On 14 Feb 2008, at 21:22, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Just so nobody has any unwarranted expectations ...
> >
> > Regardless of whether you or I like it, the next major version
> > of FrameMaker will NOT support Macintosh natively for the exact
> > same reasons such support was discontinued in the first place.
> > You obviously can try to use it under Parallels or Boot Camp on
> > MacIntel systems.
>
> A new version of WINE was released last week, so if you're an Intel
> Mac user and want to run Windows FrameMaker without Windows, VMWare,
> Parallels, or Boot Camp, you may wish to give it a try. They're
> looking for Framemaker users to test Framemaker and report bugs. More
> at:
> <http://wiki.winehq.org/AdobeFramemaker>
>
> Paul
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[John Posada]

Is it that time again?

On 2/14/08, Jakob Fix  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to know if anybody has some reliable first-hand
> information about the future of FrameMaker.  I have recently heard of
> people having attended Adobe training sessions for FrameMaker that
> Adobe may/will probably stop FrameMaker development.  As the
>

ANN: Adobe on The Future of FrameMaker and RoboHELP

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Karl Matthews from Adobe Systems will be presenting a lunch 
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Frame experts Alan Houser, Sarah O'Keefe, more.

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October 1 - 4, 
2006 
Kauai, Hawaii
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