[Frameworks] Free 8mm and 35mm film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

I’m still giving away free boxes of 8mm and 35mm film for anyone still dabbling 
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[Frameworks] Ordering Clayton chemicals?

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Has anyone had success in purchasing chemicals from Clayton? Gave them a ring 
and and email and they haven't yet reopened to my inquiry.

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[Frameworks] Films that feature confrontal intimidation

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Hello all, 
I've wanted to ask this for a while. Are there any films that feature a scene 
where the character is confronted and intimidated by a manipulator who tries to 
make the situation awkward and confusing? I'm thinking to scenes like Alex's 
dinner sequence in Clockwork Orange or a scene where psychologist ridicule 
their subjects in William Klein's The Model Couple (1977). Greenaway's The 
Belly of an Architect is a great example of a struggling architect who becomes 
exploited and mocked by two elitist museum curators. 
Also, not sure if anyone is aware (I am unfortunately) but there is a growing 
trend among social media in which people who have a disagreement or argument 
with someone on the street will film them on their phone and upload it to 
platforms, which in turn will makes it very difficult for the person being put 
on the spot for ridicule. 
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Re: [Frameworks] Luther Price RIP

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 I remember him from a small lecture he gave at MassArt with his "ant" film 
installation. Very sad news. 
On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 6:29:32 PM EDT, mstark...@gmail.com 
 wrote:  
 
 that is sad news. he came to HOME Manchester UK a couple of years ago and I 
was pleased to hear him talk about his work and see his films and carousel of 
slides. i often showed students this great video of him working in his studio. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLjBW09BiiY 

On 16 Jun 2020, at 22:22, Helga Fanderl  wrote:


Francisco Torres  schrieb am Di. 16. Juni 2020 um 22:43:

Lecture by Luther Price  November 7, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhnhTPvuFo





2020-06-16 15:47 GMT-04:00, Eric Theise :
> Tom Rhoads, wasn't it? First time I encountered his films that was the name
> under which they were distributed.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:36 PM Dominic Angerame <
> dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The prints that are at Canyon Cinema SODOM, GREEN and WARM BROTH may be
>> the only copies. He also used the name Jason Rhoades.
>> Dominic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Dan Anderson  wrote:
>>
>> One of the most mysterious figures in the business. As the legend goes,
>> he
>> had a pseudonym or two (?)
>> Hopefully his works get preserved and written about more. Truly on the
>> radical edge of avant-garde film.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:48 PM Dominic Angerame <
>> dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am also sad to hear this news his work was very explosive I only knew
>>> him thru my dealings with at Canyon Cinema
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:
>>>
 I'm very sorry to hear that.  The intensity of his work was profound, a
 revelation about what experimental film can be.


 On 2020-06-16 11:56, Warren Cockerham wrote:
 > One of the biggest hearts of any human
 >
 >> On Jun 16, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Esperanza Collado
 >>  wrote:
 >
 >> 
 >>
 >> Hi all,
 >>
 >> I just heard that Luther Price passed away but don't know the
 >> reason. I only met him once in 2017 in A Coruña and we had the most
 >> bizarre conversation in a jazz bar. Ed Halter was with him and took
 >> care of him, I don't know much more but I thought I would share
 >> here. There certainly was an aura of mystery around him.
 >>
 >> Best,
 >>
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 >> www.esperanzacollado.net [1]
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking for camera repair

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 The one I have has the three screws and the firing knob that all came lose 
when I unscrewed them. But Still nothing came undone. If you'd like, I can do a 
video of what I'm taking apart and show you what is what. 
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 10:49:42 PM EDT, Todd Eacrett 
 wrote:  
 
 #yiv706517 p.yiv706517MsoNormal, #yiv706517 
p.yiv706517MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}
Weird. The two I have are slightly different, but both are tethered to the case 
in the same way. With the screws removed is the mechanism loose within the case 
or still solidly attached? I'm not a camera technician so I don't recommend 
prying with a screwdriver, but it has worked for me.


On Tue, May 26, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:


Already tried it. Screws, knob, meter reel and all. Something else is keeping 
it grounded to the body. 

On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 4:32:07 PM EDT, Todd Eacrett  
wrote:



In addition to the three screws on the back of the case, you need to remove the 
shutter release knob and the footage counter (top of the case). The latter has 
a spring washer under it, so don't lose it. The mechanism should slide/wiggle 
out as one unit, but if the case is bent or dented it could hang up on the 
edges. You can clean and lube easily without further disassembly; I think I 
basically soaked the entire mech in solvent. 


On Tue, May 26, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:


I was abe to loosen the bolts that held the camera mechanism in place, but was 
unable to get the mechanism out. There was still something holding it on there. 
I didn't want to take any chances by forcing it, so I put everything back in 
place. If someone out there has the ability and tools to remove the mechanism 
and oil down the gears while there at it, then thats all I would like completed.

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Re: [Frameworks] Looking for camera repair

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

 Already tried it. Screws, knob, meter reel and all. Something else is keeping 
it grounded to the body. 
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 4:32:07 PM EDT, Todd Eacrett 
 wrote:  
 
 #yiv3824402774 p.yiv3824402774MsoNormal, #yiv3824402774 
p.yiv3824402774MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}
In addition to the three screws on the back of the case, you need to remove the 
shutter release knob and the footage counter (top of the case). The latter has 
a spring washer under it, so don't lose it. The mechanism should slide/wiggle 
out as one unit, but if the case is bent or dented it could hang up on the 
edges. You can clean and lube easily without further disassembly; I think I 
basically soaked the entire mech in solvent. 


On Tue, May 26, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs wrote:


I was abe to loosen the bolts that held the camera mechanism in place, but was 
unable to get the mechanism out. There was still something holding it on there. 
I didn't want to take any chances by forcing it, so I put everything back in 
place. If someone out there has the ability and tools to remove the mechanism 
and oil down the gears while there at it, then thats all I would like completed.

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Re: [Frameworks] Looking for camera repair

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 I was abe to loosen the bolts that held the camera mechanism in place, but was 
unable to get the mechanism out. There was still something holding it on there. 
I didn't want to take any chances by forcing it, so I put everything back in 
place. If someone out there has the ability and tools to remove the mechanism 
and oil down the gears while there at it, then thats all I would like completed.
M
On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 12:58:40 PM EDT, Scott Dorsey  
wrote:  
 
 When was the last time it got a PM?  It likely just needs to be completely
torn down, cleaned, and lubricated.

The DeVry is very easy to work on... way easier than an eyemo.  Any cine
tech should be able to do it, but be aware that it is still time-consuming.
DuAll is nice if you're convenient to New York but there are plenty of other
shops out there.  Get the lens backfocus tested while it's on the bench.
--scott

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[Frameworks] Looking for camera repair

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Hello All,
I'm currently on the lookout for anyone who could make some repairs to a 35mm 
Devry Lunchbox camera. The gears appear to have ceased up and the mechanism 
won't comet of it's casing when unscrewed. Any help is appreciated. 
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Re: [Frameworks] Have old 35mm b + w ?

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

 Ebay is a good start
On Friday, May 15, 2020, 4:55:40 PM EDT, Caryn Cline 
 wrote:  
 
 Dear Friends and Colleagues,
For a new project, I am looking for old, unexposed b + w 35mm film, about 4 
minutes worth, or more.  It does not have to have been properly stored.  It 
could be sitting in your basement, your attic, your closet.  It just has to be 
unexposed.  Slower film preferred.   Hopefully, you will be willing to give it 
away or sell it cheaply.  I'll pay shipping.  If you have some, please contact 
me off list.
Many thanks and stay safe.
CC
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Experimental Filmmaker & Teacher"a proud member of the reality-based community"
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Re: [Frameworks] Free junk film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

 Hello Rick and everyone else. 
At the moment, I would love some 16mm outtakes and work prints. If there are 
those who would be willing to trade, I have a box of 35mm trailers and 8mm 
short movies that I could offer in exchange for 16mm stuff, as well as a roll 
of 8mm splicing tape. Keep me in mind!
Thanks
M
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, 5:00:10 PM EDT, Rick Prelinger 
 wrote:  
 
 If anybody would like junk film (mostly 16mm) in large quantities, please let 
me know. Every so often we have a lot of material to give away — old 
workprints, outtakes, tracks, leader, release prints, etc. This isn’t an 
immediate offer because of the pandemic, but it’s ongoing.

Rick



Rick Prelinger / @footage
Prelinger Archives, San Francisco    http://www.prelinger.com (recently updated)
foot...@panix.com

Professor, Film & Digital Media, UC Santa Cruz
r...@ucsc.edu

Prelinger Library, San Francisco (http://www.prelingerlibrary.org), a member of 
the Intersection Incubator, a program of Intersection for the Arts providing 
fiscal sponsorship, incubation and consulting to artists 
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[Frameworks] Free Found footage

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For those who are working with handmade animation and found footage during this 
pandemic, I have a couple of boxes of used scrap 8mm and 35mm film that I have 
no use for. Any takers?
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Re: [Frameworks] Bruce Baillie

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 Done. 
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 3:33:58 PM EDT, Dominic Angerame 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Folks, sad news. Bruce Baillie is in the last days of care. Lorie Baillie 
is in desperate need of funding. Currently Bruce is sleeping on the floor of 
their house. Lorie wants his last days to be comfortable and to move him into 
hospice care in her neighborhood because she can no long take care of him and 
work at the same time.
The cost for this care is $6000. I know this is hard time for many people but 
if you can send funds please send it via PayPal to

tullylou...@gmail.com

Thank you so much. Bruce Baillie is one of the most important experimental 
filmmakers of our time and deserves to be well taken care of in his dying days.
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Re: [Frameworks] Bruce Baillie

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 Doe. 
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020, 3:33:58 PM EDT, Dominic Angerame 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Folks, sad news. Bruce Baillie is in the last days of care. Lorie Baillie 
is in desperate need of funding. Currently Bruce is sleeping on the floor of 
their house. Lorie wants his last days to be comfortable and to move him into 
hospice care in her neighborhood because she can no long take care of him and 
work at the same time.
The cost for this care is $6000. I know this is hard time for many people but 
if you can send funds please send it via PayPal to

tullylou...@gmail.com

Thank you so much. Bruce Baillie is one of the most important experimental 
filmmakers of our time and deserves to be well taken care of in his dying days.
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Re: [Frameworks] cabin fever playlist!!

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 Thanks a bunch!
On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 12:00:45 AM EDT, kate lain 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi, Frameworkers!  I was gathering some online experimental work to send to my 
students now that in-person classes are canceled and then I thought hey, this 
could be a fun collaborative resource for other folks out there in the same 
boat.  So I've created a google sheet: "CABIN FEVER: Coping with COVID-19 
playlist of online experimental films & videos", complete with categories like 
, , , and .  
It's editable by anyone with a link.  Please join in if you want -- add movies, 
add categories, rearrange stuff, whatever.  Add your own movies too!!  Movies 
should be publicly viewable online (and free).  Feel free to share with your 
students or anyone else who might enjoy checking it out.  Happy viewing!!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DHealTzCR0qNkq-fbuPRd9Nzi7NSAM5HKQ84grFEFO8/edit#gid=0
—Kate Lain
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Re: [Frameworks] Liquidation sale!

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

 Has anyone taken the 16mm viewer? Id be interested!
Morgan
On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 4:29:13 PM EST, Nicole Baker 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello frameworkers!I am moving overseas to Nur-Sultan, Kazakhstan (from 
Oregon, USA) as such, I am liquidating most of my film gear, as it's just too 
heavy to travel with (I plan to pick up a Krasnogorsk 3 while I'm over there!)I 
have:16mm camera with 2 primes and a zoom16mm Craig/Kalart editing set-up 
(splicer+viewer set in a handy carrying case)Elmo 16mm slot load projector with 
optical sound, cover, extra reelsBolex Super 8 cameravarious splicing tape, 
cores, daylight spools, leader, developing supplies, etc.
Please shoot me an email for details!Thanks everyone.

Nicole Elaine BakerMFA in Visual Studies, 2019Pacific Northwest College of 
ArtHallie Ford School of Graduate Studieswww.magiklantern.com


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[Frameworks] Hole punchers for film

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Hello hello

I was going to make some scratch films with a few rolls of super 8 and I was 
wondering if there where any hole punchers for that specific gage. Paper hole 
punchers used in office cubicles are too big for super 8. 

Thanks in advance 

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[Frameworks] Lens repairs?

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all. 

Sorecently I was testing a telephoto lens on my Cine Kodak Special and 
noticed that I couldn't advance my f stop. When I looked inside, as in looking 
through the lens with a light source, I notice that one of the iris shields had 
come off and was trapped inbetween the aperture ring. I'm afraid to touch it at 
this point. 

Would anyone know of a place that repairs lenses for Cine cameras? I reside in 
New England.

Thanks!

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[Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all.

I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, I've 
watched F for Fake more than enough ;)

I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship and 
illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater. 

So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
installations/performances that share the same focus. 

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Re: [Frameworks] essay film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Here are my thoughts, if I'm reading this correctly, is that the term "essay" 
is a loose excuse for someone cobbling together a bunch of moving images which 
might be a free flowing stream of consciousness that they are not quite aware 
of. I say this because I feel like I'm falling into this category. For the past 
few years I've been doing my own "documentary" or "essay" on a particular group 
of people and I feel like it's the only vague description I can feed anyone 
should they question my motives for filming. My intent is much more deeper and 
personal, but I'd rather reveal it when I feel the product is finished. 

But in terms of trying to make a "documentary" to cover a particular subjects 
with a specific rhetoric, setting itself out to covering something as 'real', 
'truthful', 'problematic' and 'fixable' is indeed a theme that has been done 
plenty of times. Because of this, I think a lot of people in my age range in 
particular will fall back on the theme of "essay" or "diary-film" in hopes to 
avoid scoffs, eye rolls and ridicule. The group that I'm focusing on in 
particular has pushed out Documentary after Documentary after Documentary after 
Documentary. Honestly, there's that many. And everyone of them contain the same 
101, introductary message "we're good people, please don't say mean things 
about us". 

Perhaps this is something I should keep in mind for myself. Although I am 
keeping a journal of my personal accounts with this group, good times, bad 
times, shits and giggles alike, I do feel like I've been shooting with a stream 
of consciousness. Everything is a bunch of scrabbled eggs. 

As a lost, semi-frustrated, caffeinated 31 year old, I ask photographers, 
journalists, and poets alike. What would you have me do? 

M

On Wed, 5/22/19, Bernard Roddy  wrote:

 Subject: [Frameworks] essay film
 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
 Date: Wednesday, May 22, 2019, 9:35 PM
 
 Friends and
 colleagues, the essay is not really a suitable expression,
 form, or metaphor for what can be done in the medium of the
 moving image. The whole idea belongs to an undergraduate
 class that has to make the case to someone who is in
 college. The closer the works look and feel like essays, the
 worse they are.
 To a certain extent, we can hear the request: one
 wants to assign something to someone, one wants to make
 progress with a new generation of scholars and students, one
 wants to be legitimized, authorized, admitted into the
 syllabi and a table of contents. There will then be an easy
 passage from one kind of reading to another, between the
 page and screen.
 I couldn't really distinguish between
 accompanying someone and seeing such a work. I couldn't
 really say I cared until I found myself a witness. To be a
 witness to something, and to approach what it might have
 been like if the artist had witnessed it without the means
 of recording it, that is what makes or breaks an essay
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Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or Experimental Media

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Schody (Stairs) 1969 by Stefan Schabenbeck

On Sun, 4/28/19, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or Experimental
Media
 To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
 Date: Sunday, April 28, 2019, 12:25 AM
 
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 Guillermo del Torro, Spain, 2006 
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 Marcin Giżycki, Poland, 2010,
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 To: 'Experimental Film Discussion List'
 
 
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 Cinema or Experimental Media 
 
 
    
 Peter Burr: Labyrinths
 
 http://www.sfcinematheque.org/screenings/peter-burr-labyrinths/
 
    
    
 From: FrameWorks
 
 On Behalf Of Albert Alcoz
 
 Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 3:01 AM
 
 To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
 
 Subject: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde
 Cinema or Experimental Media 
    
 
 
 Hello
 all, 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 I'm
 doing a research about the presence of the labyrinth on
 films and videos 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 I was
 wondering if someone can give me some references wether they
 are movies or books or articles or exhibitions. 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 There are
 some really known works like the ending of The
 Shinning (1980) or
 Labyrinth (1986) but i'm more interested on
 artist practices. 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 Right now i
 have managed to list this titles: 
 
 
 
 LABYRINTH (1962) Jan Lenica
 
 Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB (1967) George
 Lucas
 
 In the Labyrinth (1967) Colin Low, Roman Kroitor,
 Hugh O'Connor (project at Expo 67) 
 
 Reading of an Extract
 from Labyrinths by J.L. Borges (1970) David Lamelas
 
 Labyrinthe (1979) Veronique Mori
 
 Meikyu-tan (1975) Terayama Shūji 
 
 
 
 Withershings (1995) Gary
 Hill (installlation) 
 
 
 
 Labyrinth (2012)
 Yves-Marie Mah 
 
 Any
 suggestion will be welcomed. 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 All the
 best, 
 
 
 Albert 
 
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[Frameworks] Sticky splicer

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all

I've been using a 16mm catozzo splicer for one of my projects that involves a 
large quantity of washi tape. I believe the stickiness from the tape has gotten 
into the splicer blades and has a hard time going down and springing back up. 
Does anyone know how to remove built up residue like this from the inside of 
these splicers? 

Thanks

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[Frameworks] Inks and paints for clear leaders

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all,

Anyone who works in hand painted film must have an idea of inks and paints that 
are good for using on clear acetate or polyester leader. I'm looking for the 
kind that can won't easily wash or flake off when dry. And for the moment, I'd 
like to stay away from markers and pens. I'm going to stick with brushes. 

Any help would be appreciated! 

Thank you

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[Frameworks] Inks and paints for films

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all,
Anyone who works in hand painted film must have an idea of inks and paints that 
are good for using on clear acetate or polyester leader. I'm looking for the 
kind that can won't easily wash or flake off when dry. And for the moment, I'd 
like to stay away from markers and pens. I'm going to stick with brushes. 
Any help would be appreciated! 
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[Frameworks] SMPTE or test footage

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all, 
In addition to the email I sent a while ago, I'd also be on the lookout for 
SMPTE and test footage for any gauge of film. 
Thanks
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[Frameworks] Film leader and headers

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hey everyone
I'm in the beginning stages of gather film leaders for a hand made project. Ive 
started with eBay and I'd also like to reach out to anyone who has any film 
headers or leaders they'd plan on selling, giving away or throwing out. 
I'd be looking for a few countdown leaders (not much) but mainly headers from 
16mm or 35mm prints and trailers or from TV reels. I'd be open to Double and 
Super 8 leaders and headers as well. 
Thanks in advance! 
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Re: [Frameworks] Cine-Kodak Special II

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

 This is actually good information for me to read along with. I have been 
shooting with a Cine Kodak for most of my projects for a good 2-3 years now. I 
have had no problems with the mechanisms or spring drive in the past, but 
recently I have felt something going on wth my spring drive. Almost as if it 
was wearing down too, but not completely. I'm not going anywhere near WD-40, 
but I would love to know about any other lubricants filmmakers use on their 
motion picture cameras.  
On Tuesday, December 11, 2018, 2:10:07 PM EST, Scott Dorsey 
 wrote:  
 
 The camera only runs a few seconds because everything in it is gunked up
and it needs cleaning and lubrication, likely.

Don't EVER run an old camera or projector without making sure the movement
is properly lubricated, because you can wear out the cam very very quickly
without proper lubrication.

I don't know anyone working on the Cine-Kodaks offhand... I know that
Jesse Chambless had a tech who did very good work on them but charged
the usual Chambless prices.  What did DuAll say when you asked?
--scott
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[Frameworks] Optical Printer lamps

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello everyone. 

I was planning to make my own optical printer with my Cine Kodak Special and a 
toy 35mm projector, but I'm in need of a lamp. I know that JK kits have an 
adjustable brightness knob on their lamp and the bulb they use is MR16 watt. 
Anybody know where I could buy a lamp? What should I look for? Or could use a 
different light source? 

Thanks

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Re: [Frameworks] film/art for the autistic

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello Dan, I'm 30 years on the spectrum myself, however I don't have teaching 
experience with autistic students. While your students may not find found 
footage filmmakers Bruce Conner or Bill Morrison as appealing as I do, one 
thing to keep in mind is that this generation is prone to video game and 
YouTube stimulation. I would suggest looking up YouTube Poops. The name may 
sound very infantile, but believe me when I say that a lot of editing and work 
go into remixing and warping movies and television shows in such a way that it 
creates a zany-surrealist humor effect for spectators. I have a guilty pleasure 
for these because of the quick, responsive in-jokes and edits that shoot by so 
fast, they catch me off guard. 

I would also look into VHS recycling channels such as Memory Hole or Everything 
is Terrible. 

Morgan

On Tue, 8/28/18, Dan Anderson  wrote:

 Subject: [Frameworks] film/art for the autistic
 To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
 Date: Tuesday, August 28, 2018, 5:41 PM
 
 Hey folks,
 
 Thanks for those who chimed in with thoughts and
 recommendations for working with non-hearing students! 
 
 In part two of "Adventures in First-Time
 Community College Teaching," I'm wondering if
 anyone has experience better reaching autistic students. 
 
 There are two in my "Intro to Video"
 class, and we're starting out making a found footage
 movie from archive.org. The trouble is
 that finding visual connections and the Bruce Conner-style
 of filmmaking is a really tough hurdle for a person living
 with autism. (let alone most non-autistic folks!)
 
 Are there any autistic filmmakers on the list, or
 film/art instructors that have experience working with them?
 
 
 thanks!dan anderson
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Re: [Frameworks] Cyanotype on film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Calotype is a similar process along side cyanotypes. I did both of them at MA 
and would love to see some results if not try the process myself on celluloid. 
This is great info! 

On Mon, 7/30/18, Janet Benn  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Cyanotype on film
 To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
 Date: Monday, July 30, 2018, 10:39 AM
 
 This is a
 wealth of info! Thanks.
 Cyanotype
 is in the air - I teach Direct Animation at AgX Film
 Collective in Waltham about every 3 months, and I have been
 looking for more "advanced" methods to continue
 instruction with those who have already been introduced to
 the simpler techniques. I will also report on my results
 trying these methods.
 I have also heard of a type of
 "ray-o-graph" done with developer sprinkled on
 film in the dark and plants, etc, placed on the film to
 block out the light when the assembly is exposed to
 daylight.
 
 
 On Thu, Jul 26,
 2018 at 2:45 PM Devon D 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Howdy
 Frameworkers,
 
 
 
 Trying to do some
 cyanotype on film, 16mm & 35mm, having trouble getting
 the solution to stick and coat evenly on the film. Anybody
 have tips?
 
 
 
 Thanks bunches,
 Devon Damonte
 Olympia, WA
 
 
 
 
 
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[Frameworks] Cine Kodak Super XX and panchromatic film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello everyone, 
I recently acquired a roll of 16mm Kodak film from the 1940s. Cine Kodak Super 
XX. I'm wondering if anyone on the list might know of a developer for this 
film?  Is it still shootable? Since it's from the 1940s, I would suspect that 
it has a very low ISO and would need all the light it could get. But anyone out 
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[Frameworks] Perforating micro film

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello everyone, 

Is there a mechanism out there that can punch perforations in 16mm? I spotted 
some microfilm on eBay and wondered if it was possible to pull it off with 
that. 
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[Frameworks] Films that question truth

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello again everyone. 

A while ago I asked about films that focused on the theme of lying. Recently I 
rewatched Man with a Move Camera (1929) and Megacities (1998) and both seemed 
to be examples of how the camera, or camera man, can alter the definition of 
truth in documentaries, that claim to present subject matter as truth. I know 
this is a vague set up and the topic of "truth" could be elaborated on for 
hours and hours. But. I'm just looking for films, docs and essays, that 
theorize the idea of truth and play with the audience's expectation. I've 
already been given F for Fake, David Holzman's Diary and Bleu Shut as examples 
from my last email. Is there any more out there? 

Thanks

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[Frameworks] Svema 16mm

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

I was recently shopping on eBay for black and white 16mm and I kept seeing 
reels for a brand called Svema. This is the first time I've ever heard of this 
type of film and was wondering if anyone had success in shooting with it? Does 
it require different chemicals and different times? 
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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm sound recording

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

So, just so I'm caught up in this discussion, is it possible to stick a thin 
strip of magnetic sound tape to the celluloid or must it be done optically 
nowadays? Because it seems like there's talk of DTS with 35mm but I'm not aware 
of whether or not it can go on 16mm. Does that mean I'd have to consider a 35mm 
print of the 16mm? 
 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 2:27 PM, Scott Dorsey  
wrote:
 

 > They could just stick a magnet on the inching knob and use a reed switch..

These solutions are good until the print is damaged and a frame has to be
removed from it.
--scott
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[Frameworks] Rephotographing 16mm

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all,

One of my 16mm films came out a little too dense. It was a Double X roll 
processed as a reversal but the end result was rather dark. There's still 
images but they need to be blown out. Is there a way to rephotograph the roll 
to give it more contrast? Could this be done via optical printer? 

Let me know whatever helps! 

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[Frameworks] Double Perf film stock

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello everyone, 
Does anyone have some black and white double perf 16mm that they would like to 
sell? If not, are there any places alongside ORWO that sell double perf 16mm? 
Thanks
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Re: [Frameworks] research

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

I have been using numerous wind up and hand cranked cameras made by the Kodak 
company from the 1920s. One of which is the Cine Kodak Special. Its 
essentially the precursor to the Bolex H16. Ive used it for stop motion, 
hand cranks, fade ins/fade outs etc. Obviously you can still get film for it, 
but the earlier Cine Kodak models such as the A, E and K come with teeth that 
take double perforated film. Places sell it here and there, but it has become 
hard to come by nowadays. Because of this, Ive been recycling double perf 
leader and footage to make myself hand made emulsion to be used with these 
cameras. Ive even debated snatching one of the oval keystone wind ups and 
making the use of its motor for a hand crank system. Robert Schaller has 
done both former and latter. I would look him up. 

http://www.handmadefilm.org

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Re: [Frameworks] Exemplary Sound Design in AG Film

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Robert, you teach at Fitchberg state? Have you heard of AgX? Were a new 
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Re: [Frameworks] Hello - Curious about Double X 7222 reversal

[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hey Chris, 
What do you mean by flashing? Hitting it with light before I develop it? And 
what's this about using "non diluted stock solution"?
What about steps to just processing it as the negative roll?  

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:47 AM, Chris G  wrote:
 

 Hi,

D-76 as a reversal developer for *222 will probably be too low in contrast. One 
method you may want to look into is using the stock solution (non-diluted) and 
processing at a higher temperature to yield greater contrast. Generally 
speaking higher concentrations of B developers = more contrast. 

On the chemistry side you may consider adding a bit more Hydroquinone and/or 
adding Potassium Bromide for increasing contrast/reducing fog. D-19 had more 
Hydroquinone in it and was a preferred high-contrast developer for home 
reversal processing. D-76 has no restrainer, so the Bromide should help in 
clearing things up a bit. Both are widely available through Photographer's 
Formulary and their distributors (Adorama, B, Freestyle, Amazon, etc..). 

You could also do some tests with flashing the film to compensate for the lower 
ISO, this can be done after film has been exposed as long as it's before it has 
been processed. Either way I believe the film is/will be underexposed. I think 
you'll either have to flash the film or push it. Flashing might keep it from 
getting as grainy as push processing, but I'm just speculating as I've never 
done it.  

Keep us posted on your results, I have a bunch of 7222 sitting around myself.

Chris

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