Re: I can't see my user name in `pw group show wheel`
On 12/22/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lveax wrote: hey all. i found a problem just now. i added this user(in wheel group)with sysinstall when i install freebsd. $ id uid=1001(user) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5(operator), 69(network) $ pw group show wheel wheel:*:0:root i can't see it in the wheel group users list? but when i add a new user with adduser,it will in the list. That's because you've made 'wheel' the primary group for that user, which is probably not exactly what you intended. The primary group is defined in /etc/master.passwd -- the gid number is put into the third field. Eg: consider the standard system user bin: happy-idiot-talk:~:% id bin uid=3(bin) gid=7(bin) groups=7(bin) happy-idiot-talk:~:% pw group show bin bin:*:7: happy-idiot-talk:~:% pw user show bin bin:*:3:7::0:0:Binaries Commands and Source:/:/usr/sbin/nologin ^ ^ No UIDs are listed as members of group bin in /etc/group, but the bin user has bin as their primary group deom the password file. adduser probably does the common trick of creating a user and a group of the same name -- in fact, pw(8) will also do precisely that unless you specify a primary group using the '-g' flag. Use the '-G' flag instead to specify other groups for the user to belong to. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW thank you but i find an exception? $ id root uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5(operator) root's primary group is wheel and root is in the list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Could anybody tell me how to drive ATI Radeon X1300?
Dear everyone, A laptop (Acer Aspire 5100), and there's ATI Radeon X1300 on it. I've chose ati (general and radeon) driver in my xorg.conf, the X is fail to start: (EE) No devuces detected. could anybody tell me how to drive it? p.s. I searched the googel, and i found something named fglrx may works, but i can not find it in the driver list. any idea? Thanks. Janvier Pang ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X server remote login and sound
I'm not sure if sending uncompressed audio data over the network is such a good idea. I know that it works, but what actually happens is that you use a Windows machine to connect to a FreeBSD machine, just to send audio signals back to the Windows host (including all the graphics stuff required to display the applications windows). I'd recommend installing sshd for Xming (if it is available, I'm not familiar with Xming). Install xmms for Xming, too. Know, start your X session as usual, and afterwards ssh (back) to your Xming host. Launch XMMS... What happens is that xmms runs on the Xming machine completely (CPU time is consumed to process audio files, these are sent to the local sound device). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CUPS not working on FreeBSD 6.2-BETA
I meet this problem too! My KDE can't connect CUPS. And CUPS can't detect out my HP 5100 printer. On 11/29/06, Tino Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear FreeBSD people, Despite having started various attempts, I cannot print within KDE 3.5.4 on FreeBSD 6.2-BETA. I always receive error message as follows: An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. Error: localhost: read failed (14). Printer files are installed. Can someone please help? Best regards, Tino Engel http://no-peanuts.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Browser Plugins - State of the Art???
Hi, I found out I need three plugins for opera, mozilla or whatever: - Java Runtime Enviroment - Linux Flash Player - Linux Realplayer JRE works nicely with native FreeBSD browsers, the Linux plugins can be run with Linux Browsers. (.pdf files can be viewed externally with Evince, linuxpluginwrapper doesn't do anything at all and I tried different kinds of Linux JRE's with Linux Browsers - no way) Did anyone find a combination that can do all three plugins in one browser on FreeBSD 6.2 PRERELEASE? Regards and thanks, Uli. Peter Ulrich Kruppa Wuppertal Germany ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Remove the cursor with Xorg
On Thu, December 21, 2006 10:27, Olivier Regnier wrote: Hello, I'm running FreeBSD 6.1 with xorg version 6.9.0. I want to make the mouse cursor invisible. Can you help me please ? Thank you :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Olivier, I believe the only way to achieve this is to hack and recompile the source. In the source file cursor.c there is a function CheckForEmptyMask within this function if you set bits-emptyMask = TRUE the cursor won't appear. Caveat: I did this myself, but it's couple of years ago now. Maybe someone on this line has a more up-to-date method. -- Kelvin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ot] can I have an account on your host? (so that I can edit wikipedia)
Girish Venkatachalam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 11:59:59AM +0800, ? wrote: Hello. I am from China and I'd like to contribute to wikipedia, but this is not easy / possible because we cannot access wikipedia from inland (the great firewall) and my usual method accesssing wikipedia (through ssh -L 80:en.wikipedia.org:80 my_server_in_german) can allow me to visit wikipedia but do not allow me to edit it (open proxy, your host IP address is detected to be belonging to a hosting company). Can I have an account on your host (or maybe not an account, any means let me access wikipedia from a host that is not in datacenter) so that I can go on editing wikipedia? I think you need tor Wikipedia doesn't allow edits coming from known Tor exit nodes. Fabian -- http://www.fabiankeil.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Browser Plugins - State of the Art???
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, P.U.Kruppa wrote: I found out I need three plugins for opera, mozilla or whatever: - Java Runtime Enviroment - Linux Flash Player - Linux Realplayer JRE works nicely with native FreeBSD browsers, the Linux plugins can be run with Linux Browsers. (.pdf files can be viewed externally with Evince, linuxpluginwrapper doesn't do anything at all and I tried different kinds of Linux JRE's with Linux Browsers - no way) Did anyone find a combination that can do all three plugins in one browser on FreeBSD 6.2 PRERELEASE? For FreeBSD-native FireFox and Seamonkey: The FreeBSD native JDK 1.4 gives a working Java plugin. For Flash with linuxpluginwrapper and linux-flashplugin7, you have to patch the system source: Install the dlsym patch: # cd /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/ # fetch http://people.FreeBSD.org/~nork/rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # patch rtld_dlsym_hack.diff # make # make install Link the library (linx-flashplugin7 should have already done this): cd /usr/local/lib/browser_plugins ln -sf /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so . ln -sf /usr/local/lib/npapi/linux-flashplugin/flashplayer.xpt . And make sure your /etc/libmap.conf Flash7 section agrees with the sample included with the linuxpluginwrapper port. mplayer is supposed to handle RealPlayer, although I can't say I've tested it. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Acer Aspire WLMi 5102 with AMD Turion 64 X2 system hanging with powerd on 6.2-RC1 and 6.2-PRERELEASE
On 12/21/06, Scot Hetzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/06, Abdullah Al-Marrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, I have problem with my laptop Acer Aspire 5102 WLMi which has AMD Turion™ 64 X2 dual-core TL-50 1.6 GHz with 1.5 GB of ram. I'm running i386 6.2-RC1 upgraded to 6.2-PRELEASE via RELENG6 tag since I don't have more than 4 GB of ram. I have these lines add to my custom generic kernel options SMP device cpufreq device smbus I have this in my rc.conf powerd_enable=YES But the the laptop even doesn't boot some times, and if booted it hangs all the time, till I hashed out powerd_enable=YES hints? Had the same problem where powerd would hang my HP Pavilion dv8000 system. I worked arround the problem by using the following in rc.conf: powerd_enable=YES powerd_flags=-a maximum -b maximum Of course this makes powered do nothing when on battery. What I think is happening is that powered is too aggressive in downgrading the clock speed, that it eventually sets the clock to a value that is so low that the system stops responding. Scot Thank you Scot, The powerd_flags=-a maximum -b maximum workaround worked like a charm for me. But I'm still willing to help by testing patches from the FreeBSD commiters. Thank you Bruno for sending the patch to me, Please let me know if you need me to do more patches tests. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't see my user name in `pw group show wheel`
lveax wrote: On 12/22/06, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The primary group is defined in /etc/master.passwd -- the gid number is put into the third field. Eg: consider the standard system user bin: happy-idiot-talk:~:% id bin uid=3(bin) gid=7(bin) groups=7(bin) happy-idiot-talk:~:% pw group show bin bin:*:7: happy-idiot-talk:~:% pw user show bin bin:*:3:7::0:0:Binaries Commands and Source:/:/usr/sbin/nologin ^ ^ No UIDs are listed as members of group bin in /etc/group, but the bin user has bin as their primary group deom the password file. thank you but i find an exception? $ id root uid=0(root) gid=0(wheel) groups=0(wheel), 5(operator) root's primary group is wheel and root is in the list? Yeah. The root account is special in many ways, and what you point out is just one visible manifestation of that. However I suspect this is of no deeper significance than historical inertia -- something that's been in BSD password and group files since the epoch or thereabouts. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Drivers for an old pcmcia ethernet card, help.
Hi, I've an old laptop, fujitsu http://www.epinions.com/cmhd-Notebooks-All-Fujitsu_Lifebook_i_Series/display_~full_specs and I installed freeBSD6.1 on it. A friend gave me a pcmcia ethernet card: GVC PCM-002bt but freeBSD hasn't drivers for it. I've searched on Internet without results. I was wondering if anybody can provide me of the drivers or at least a solution to make it works? Thanks __ LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por minuto. http://es.voice.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dell PERC5 (SAS 5) controller boot flr
Drive is detected and install is successful, however on reboot the drive drops out. Cannot boot in any mode. This is a new Dell PowerEdge 1950 server with a single 160G ATA HD, but with a PERC 5/i controller. I have been to the Dell Support boards, but this OS is not supported so they are not obliged to answer. boot -s fails at the same point. Safe mode gets me to a frozen login prompt. I see the DRAC 5 Virtual Media drives listed during the boot, but I am not sure how to get a trace of the boot sequence to supply here, given the fact that I never mount a file system. Dell SAS 5 Host Bus Adaptor BIOS MPTBIOS - 6.06.00.02 2006.04.05 LSI Logic Corp. HBA ID LUN VENDOR PRODUCTREVISION CAPACITY ___ ___ ___ ___ __ ___ 000 ATA ST3160812AS J152587 MB 000 DPBACKPLANE 1.00 0 LSILogicSAS1860-IT8.06.48.00 Dell Corp. MPT boot ROM successfully installed! [...] mpt0: LSILogic SAS/SATA Adaptor port 0xec00-0xecff msm 0xfc000-0xfc4f,0xfc4e irq 64 at device 0.0 on pc12 mpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED] mpt0: MPI Version=1.5.12.8 [...] ums0: Dell DRAC5, rev 1.18/0,00 not supported ums0: X report 0x0002 not supported device_attach: ums0 attach returned 6 umass0: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 umass1: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 [...] mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). unknown: timeout waiting for read DRQ bce0: link state changed to DOWN bce1: link state changed to DOWN acd0: CDRW HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4244N/B101 at ata0-master UDMA33 (Sorry for the truncated details, but I shot a video and typed in the parts that seem most relevant). Dropping to boot prompt I list the loaded modules and see [...] mpt_raid.1 mpt.1 mpt_cam.1 mpt_core.1 [...] For grins, loaded mfi, boot -s, same result. Thomas Kindig Technology Support White Sands Federal Credit Union 505-647-4578 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD and HP ML110 G3
i have not one, but 2 clients who in the very near future are taking delivery of a ML110 G3, and have contacted me to build a freebsd server on them. the ML110 has an intel E7230 chipset on the motherboard. this page: http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64/motherboards.html ... says that a Dell PowerEdge SC430 (with the same chipset) works flawlessly with 6.1-RELEASE. would i be safe in assuming that a similarly equipped HP ML110 G3 might also have success with FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE? cheers, jonathan horne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions
How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions. === Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $ This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list. If you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your message: - You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate. - You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read. - You asked more than one unrelated question in one message. - You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone. - You sent out the same message more than once. - You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions. If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you will get more than one copy of this message from different people. Read on, and your next message will be more successful. This document is also available on the web at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html. = Contents: I:Introduction II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions III: Should I ask -questions or -hackers? IV: How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions V:How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions I: Introduction === This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from FreeBSD-questions (the newcomers), and also those who answer the questions (the hackers). Note that the term hacker has nothing to do with breaking into other people's computers. The correct term for the latter activity is cracker, but the popular press hasn't found out yet. The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking security, and have nothing to do with it. In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the different viewpoints of the two groups. The newcomers accused the hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English, and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. Of course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration. In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions. In the following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that, we'll look at how to answer one. II: How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions == When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this message, amongst other things, it told you how to unsubscribe. Here's a typical message: Welcome to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list! If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (obviously, substitute your mail address for [EMAIL PROTECTED]). You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word 'help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. Normally, Mailman will remind you of your freebsd.org mailing list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-QUESTIONS User questions This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not send how to questions to the technical lists unless you consider the question to be pretty technical. Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one which you specified when you subscribed. If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on the list, this may mean one of two things: 1. You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed. That's where keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy. For example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since then, I have changed it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I were to try to remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with which I joined. 2. You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to
The Complete FreeBSD: errata and addenda
The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page or any other online documentation. The result is that most leading edge computer books are out of date almost before they are printed. Unfortunately, The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception. Inevitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced. The Complete FreeBSD has been through a total of five editions, including its predecessor Installing and Running FreeBSD. Two of these have been reprinted with corrections. I maintain a series of errata pages. Start at http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata information. Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF form. Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to download the entire book. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ for more information. Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing? Please let me know: I'm no longer constantly updating it, but I may be able to help Greg ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
rant snip Folks, I too had a recent epiphany about something that I wish to share with you. It's not about operating systems; it's about terabyte_pete, the original poster who initiated this message. Terabyte_pete, or Peter Daigle as some know him, has been trolling several other mailing lists for a while (NetBSD, MozillaZine, etc.), most recently with DragonFlyBSD. He seems to be on a self-proclaimed warpath to make open-source products to work the way Microsoft's products work, and has a particularly soft spot for Windows 95. Interestingly enough, if you take a look at his company's website (and I use the word website rather loosely), www.neptuneholographics.com, he claims that the site is powered by DragonFlyBSD and Wine. It is curious that, although his business runs on OSS, he finds it entertaining to spew infantile verbal excrement at the very people who help his business run. If you are located anywhere close to Grover Beach, California, please feel free to drop by his office and let him know how much we appreciate his pseudo-intellectual analyses of operating systems. His office is just off the 101, between 4th Street and Oak Park Blvd. SC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there UNIX analog of ftp command pls?
On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 02:42:37PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 21), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 12:45:35PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 19), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there UNIX analog of ftp command pls, i. e. ls | less ? Thank you for response, but I know how to write aliases and bash scripts. I just thought, I don't know the standard way. Apropos, alias pls=ls -l | less is not a proper way, because of the command pls directory will give ls -l | less directory which is not what one want. Yes, that is a limitation of aliases. Luckily, shell functions can do what you want: pls() { ls -l $@ | less } -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is interesting idea! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
Simon, On 12/22/06, Simon Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rant snip If you are located anywhere close to Grover Beach, California, please feel free to drop by his office and let him know how much we appreciate his pseudo-intellectual analyses of operating systems. His office is just off the 101, between 4th Street and Oak Park Blvd. thank you for this invaluable information. to quote his website: and a megabyte is 1,024 bytes and when you stop by: bring him a windows 95 for dummies book as well. regards, usleep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
boot iso atheros
Anyone know if the boot iso supports atheros wifi (ath)? If not, is that planned in 6.2-stable? Make installation quicker in a wifi-only environment, that's all. What about wap wep? Obviously, they would require an additional configuration menu beyond the standard if/ip config screen, or at least another field for the key... Steve -- Steve Franks, KE7BTE Staff Engineer La Palma Devices, LLC http://www.lapalmadevices.com (520) 312-0089 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X server remote login and sound
Christian Walther wrote: I'm not sure if sending uncompressed audio data over the network is such a good idea. Are you sure that esd does not compress the data? By the way, esd can be used with any audio application. It can emulate a real soundcard. Example follows. On the server (where your real sound card is located): esd -promiscuous -tcp -pubic -port 1500 On the client: esddsp -v -s 192.168.0.13:1500 mpg123 something.mp3 The mpg123 program does not need to have ESD support. The esddsp program creates a fake pcm device before starting mpg123. Best, Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Spamassassin error
I just set up spamassassin on one of my servers. Everything appears to be working properly, except I'm seeing this error in the maillog: Dec 22 08:49:57 pinnacle spamd[25077]: spamd: could not create INET socket on 127.0.0.1:783: Permission denied. Anyone have an idea how to fix this? Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise Travel \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- pgpy4tD8UX9ho.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: replicating /etc/passwd on a failover machine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thanks for the help guys ! Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 11:28:27AM -0500, stas khromoy wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hey folks we are working on building a failover server. now everything is going along pretty nicely. (knock on wood) so the question of the day. is there a way to replicate the password files ? i doubt that just copying over /etc/passwd and master.passwd will work . Almost. You just need to make sure database stuff is updated properly. Check out pwd_mkdb(8) and vipw(8) and man master.passwd and man passwd. jerry thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRYwRJNbpM15f9s9nAQI4fQP9FR2s+YClP9fWLN1uBHH/0gBr6zl2ai6S tIMNCav8rfj+xZlWJiN723WBp5U9O3msv7edHD1jPUfkVblZOp096jI976nYfE1D vVvaQ5qAtTk3zJ/SsgKkusOIG6J1WCmif+WY26VBEkHLLkIvUI3AeCPyygRtbdyv Kg4YsT4IlJk= =IlD/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What options to netstat will tell me what protocols are listening on what ports?
Hi, In Linux, I would normally use 'netstat -tl' to see a listing of all listening ports on the tcp protocol; however I'm not having as much luck in determining what options I need for netstat in FreeBSD. What are the options that I need to use? Andy ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd on i386-type internet appliance and cf card
So, I've installed freebsd on a compact flash card sucessfully in my laptop (or so it looks - sysinstall completes to /dev/ad4, copies everything, no errors, etc) with the regular harddisk removed (for safety, of course). Only it won't boot on the internet appliance when I stick the CF in there (that's it's only supported boot device). I get the F1 - Freebsd bootloader prompt, then nothing more. I let it sit for a good 10 min, just to be sure. It's a i386 compatible processor, and people have sucessfully run at least 3 flavors of linux on it, as well as win98 from what I can glean on the net. If I restart sysinstall, I can see the partition was written, but I can't mount it from a running bsd machine - incorrect superblock, which I think has to do with the following (aka. all or dd partitions): I tried 'all three' modes of partition - create, all, and DD. Each time sysinstall completes, each time F1 - freebsd, but nothing more. Used 'auto' on the label editor - the defaults seemed reasonable... Thoughts? Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell PERC5 (SAS 5) controller boot flr
--On December 22, 2006 8:51:43 AM -0700 Thomas Kindig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drive is detected and install is successful, however on reboot the drive drops out. Cannot boot in any mode. This is a new Dell PowerEdge 1950 server with a single 160G ATA HD, but with a PERC 5/i controller. I have been to the Dell Support boards, but this OS is not supported so they are not obliged to answer. I have the same server, except for drive size. I had two problems initially. I had to update the driver for the Broadcomm NIC to solve a problem with hangs that required a full reboot to fix, and I had to update the usb driver to get DRAC to work in a virtual console. I never had the problem you describe. [...] mpt0: LSILogic SAS/SATA Adaptor port 0xec00-0xecff msm 0xfc000-0xfc4f,0xfc4e irq 64 at device 0.0 on pc12 mpt0: [GIANT-LOCKED] mpt0: MPI Version=1.5.12.8 [...] ums0: Dell DRAC5, rev 1.18/0,00 not supported ums0: X report 0x0002 not supported device_attach: ums0 attach returned 6 umass0: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 umass1: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 [...] mpt0: mpt_cam_event: 0x16 mpt0: Unhandled Event Notify Frame. Event 0x16 (ACK not required). unknown: timeout waiting for read DRQ bce0: link state changed to DOWN bce1: link state changed to DOWN acd0: CDRW HL-DT-STCD-RW/DVD-ROM GCC-4244N/B101 at ata0-master UDMA33 I'm not clear on why you have PERC5/i with only one drive. Is the drive partitioned and set up with RAID1? Here's what I see in dmesg: ums0: Dell DRAC5, rev 1.10/0.00, addr 3, iclass 3/1 ums0: X report 0x0002 not supported device_attach: ums0 attach returned 6 umass0: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 umass1: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 umass2: DELL INC. DRAC5 VIRTUAL MEDIA, rev 2.00/0.00, addr 4 mfid0: MFI Logical Disk on mfi0 mfid0: 69375MB (142082047 sectors) RAID bce0: Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5708 1000Base-T (B1), v0.9.6 mem 0xf400-0xf 5ff irq 16 at device 0.0 on pci9 bce0: ASIC ID 0x57081010; Revision (B1); PCI-X 64-bit 133MHz miibus0: MII bus on bce0 brgphy0: BCM5708C 10/100/1000baseTX PHY on miibus0 brgphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX, 1000baseTX -FDX, auto bce0: Ethernet address: 00:13:72:fb:2a:ad Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: Spamassassin error
On 12/22/06, Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just set up spamassassin on one of my servers. Everything appears to be working properly, except I'm seeing this error in the maillog: Dec 22 08:49:57 pinnacle spamd[25077]: spamd: could not create INET socket on 127.0.0.1:783: Permission denied. Anyone have an idea how to fix this? Looks like you're trying to create a low-port (=1024) socket under a non-privileged account. Try a higher port number. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X server remote login and sound
Nagy László Zsolt wrote: Christian Walther wrote: I'm not sure if sending uncompressed audio data over the network is such a good idea. Are you sure that esd does not compress the data? By the way, esd can be used with any audio application. It can emulate a real soundcard. Example follows. On the server (where your real sound card is located): esd -promiscuous -tcp -pubic -port 1500 On the client: esddsp -v -s 192.168.0.13:1500 mpg123 something.mp3 The mpg123 program does not need to have ESD support. The esddsp program creates a fake pcm device before starting mpg123. Best, Laszlo Why not just use the -C flag with ssh and port forward the port using ssh as well (-L ...)? The only problem would be with sharing the soundcard/port, since I'm not sure if only one user can connect and use esd at one time. However, this can be setup per-user given a little foreknowledge and planning. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeBSD - Apache php configuration
On Friday 22 December 2006 04:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I want to install php with apache in freebsd unix. I installed apache2 and php 5.2.0. But php file not working and also i want to know the method of running. A long time ago I seem to remember having to do step 15 from http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php after installing from the ports. apachectl is the way to start stop and do a few other things to apache (php is probably running as part of apache so you don't have to start/stop it separatly). Whether browser and x windows are needed for running apache and php. If suppose where to find out the tar file and how to install and run. Please help me You don't need X Windows if you have another maching that you have a browser on. -- /Xian I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change users rights for a symboliked file.
On Thursday 21 December 2006 10:16, Halid Faith wrote: I use Freebsd6.1. I want to give a symbolic link for a directory with ln -s as below; cd / ln -s /var/tmp/ tmp2 ls -l /var/tmp lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 Dec 21 10:12 tmp - /var/tmp I change write of user and group but i can't that. chmod 777 tmp2 ls -l tmp2 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14 Dec 21 10:12 tmp - /var/tmp Why don't I able to change user rights of tmp2 ? I think you need the -h option to chmod. From the man page: -- /Xian Knowledge speaks but wisdom listens Jimi Hendrix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What options to netstat will tell me what protocols are listening on what ports?
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 12:04:07PM -0700, Andrew Falanga wrote: In Linux, I would normally use 'netstat -tl' to see a listing of all listening ports on the tcp protocol; however I'm not having as much luck in determining what options I need for netstat in FreeBSD. What are the options that I need to use? Andy How about sockstat(1) with the 'l'isten option? % sockstat -46l | grep tcp Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change users rights for a symboliked file.
I mean to say from the man page: -h If the file is a symbolic link, change the mode of the link itself rather than the file that the link points to. -- /Xian Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What options to netstat will tell me what protocols are listeningon what ports?
From: Andrew Falanga : Hi, : : In Linux, I would normally use 'netstat -tl' to see a listing of all : listening ports on the tcp protocol; however I'm not having as much luck in : determining what options I need for netstat in FreeBSD. What are the : options that I need to use? : : Andy See man sockstat Best, Jon ___ : freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list : http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions : To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dell PERC5 (SAS 5) controller boot flr
At 03:00 PM 12/22/2006, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On December 22, 2006 8:51:43 AM -0700 Thomas Kindig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not clear on why you have PERC5/i with only one drive. Is the drive partitioned and set up with RAID1? I was thinking I might avoid proprietary controller problems by specifying a PE 1950 system with no HW RAID. Second mistake was not studying the HW list myownself. I got the same controller, no RAID, and now I learn that many shops are running FreeBSD fine on this controller with multiple drives and RAID. I am hoping to remedy the situation by ordering a second drive and enabling, setting up RAID0. 'Hope this helps, Thomas WSFCU Help Desk 505-647-4578 A friendly reminder to our members: you should not use regular email for confidential information. The Credit Union will not use regular email for sensitive information. Your privacy is very important to us. Help us protect your privacy by using secure channels whenever you need to exchange confidential information. See http://www.wsfcu.org/index.asp?p=ha=124Email and your http://www.wsfcu.org/index.asp?p=ha=124privacy for more information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there UNIX analog of ftp command pls?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 12:45:35PM -0600, Dan Nelson wrote: In the last episode (Dec 19), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is there UNIX analog of ftp command pls, i. e. ls | less ? Yes, ls | less is the way to do it. You can add a shell alias to make it easier to type: alias pls=ls -l | less That's for bourne-style shells (sh,bash,zsh). for csh, you would use alias pls ls | less Another way to do it would be to write a script named pls and put it in your path: #! /bin/sh ls $@ | less -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for response, but I know how to write aliases and bash scripts. I just thought, I don't know the standard way. Apropos, alias pls=ls -l | less is not a proper way, because of the command pls directory will give ls -l | less directory which is not what one want. Put tildes (`) around the command alias maybe, or make the pls into a script? -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeBSD - Apache php configuration
Xian wrote: On Friday 22 December 2006 04:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I want to install php with apache in freebsd unix. I installed apache2 and php 5.2.0. But php file not working and also i want to know the method of running. A long time ago I seem to remember having to do step 15 from http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php after installing from the ports. apachectl is the way to start stop and do a few other things to apache (php is probably running as part of apache so you don't have to start/stop it separatly). Whether browser and x windows are needed for running apache and php. If suppose where to find out the tar file and how to install and run. Please help me You don't need X Windows if you have another maching that you have a browser on. As Xian said, X-Windows isn't needed, and the less stuff you have on your server the better. Besides, problem symptoms show up more frequently on remote machines than on the serving machine itself. If you want to test it out in a browser though, give lynx or links a shot. They're CLI browsers and links supports Javascript. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3ware raid array
On Dec 21, 2006, at 8:00 PM, Jonathan Horne wrote: On Thursday 21 December 2006 18:01, hal wrote: On Dec 21, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Eric wrote: hal wrote: Is there software that will let me manage a 3Ware raid array while FreeBSD is running? Here is what I have: FreeBSD 6.1 3Ware 7500-8 and 7500-4 check out the 3dm port Thanks I will give it a try. hal i recommend: sysutils/tw_cli Just what the doctor ordered. hal ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and when you stop by: bring him a windows 95 for dummies book as well. regards, usleep Actually, I have vintage discounted copies of UNIX for dummies, which might be invaluable in this case, and Windows 3.11 for dummies, which would serve the rest of us quite well as tinder. Merry 'Netnuts Roasting on an Open Fire Christmas, Kevin Kinsey -- Don't abandon hope: your Tom Mix decoder ring arrives tomorrow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freeBSD network error
On Friday 22 December 2006 06:02, freebsd wrote: Hi all I have installed FreeBSD 6.0 unix recently. But I am not able to configure network (internet). I am having leased line with Realtek gigabit ethernet NIC. When I try to configure it is not showing the interface itself on sysinstall. Whether this freeBSD support this card or else what I have to do. Please help me Expect your earlier response regards arun The card can be configured after install, if the drivers for it exist. They just might not be in the kernell at install time (I don't know what ones are). The re or rl drivers might be wat your after. The man pages for them have lists of supported cards. -- /Xian I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details. Albert Einstein ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
nvida driver on amd64
First of all, I'm not asking for a step by step guide...just needing someone to point me in the right direction: There is a FreeBSD project un-officially named project evil which allows one to use binary drivers from Microsoft windows for network interface cards that are not natively supported. Is there a similar project or method out there for video card drivers, such that we may use Linux drivers for video cards that aren't natively supported under FreeBSD? Basically I'm looking to get an nvidia driver for an FreeBSD system on amd64, that supports openGL 2.0 hardware acceleration. So far, nvidia only supports FreeBSD on the x86. Aside from going to linux (which I really don't want to do) any suggestions on how to accomplish this? Can I use a driver compiled for x86 on an amd64 architecture perhaps? Thanks. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
java/diablo-jre15 without xlib?
Hello, Is there any way to install java/diablo-jre15 without installing X libraries? Thanks, Josh -- Josh Tolbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] || http://www.puresimplicity.net/~hemi/ Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing. -- Helen Keller ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make world for a jail
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Robin Becker wrote: I'm trying to make world for a jail build following the recipe in http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/09/04/jails.html First off I started by updating the src tree. I copied /usr/share/ examples/cvsup/stable-supfile edited the host name then I ran SERVER=`fastest_cvsup -q -c ca,us` cvsup -L2 -h $SERVER /root/bin/stable-supfile that seemd fine and stuff appeared in /usr/src as expected. mkdir /usr/jails mkdir /usr/jails/mailserver cd /usr/src make world DESTDIR=/usr/jails/mailserver Now I get an error building sendmail chmod 444 freebsd.cf rm -f freebsd.submit.cf m4 -D_CF_DIR_=/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/ /usr/ src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4 /usr/src/etc/ sendmail/freebsd.submit.mc freebsd.submit.cf chmod 444 freebsd.submit.cf ERROR: Required audit group is missing, see /usr/src/UPDATING. *** Error code 1 I'm not sure what this means. I looked in UPDATING and see references to FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE; so am I trying to build a 6.1 kernel with my 6.0 system? I'm guessing that *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6 should have been *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6_0 One other thing is that during the build I saw sub makes going on that had a different DESTDIR. Eg make -f Makefile.inc1 DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp par-all how do I get things built into my desired location or is the make world eventually going to put them in the right place? I'd suggest not using make world. Use make buildworld followed by make installworld. Here is my very terse set of notes on building a fat jail: http://phryd.vox.com/library/post/freebsd-jail-howto-in-a- nutshell.html Note that my experience was with RELENG_6_1 -- fred ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What options to netstat will tell me what protocols are listeningon what ports?
On Friday 22 December 2006 16:52, Jon Krause wrote: From: Andrew Falanga : Hi, : : In Linux, I would normally use 'netstat -tl' to see a listing of all : listening ports on the tcp protocol; however I'm not having as much luck in : determining what options I need for netstat in FreeBSD. What are the : options that I need to use? : : Andy See man sockstat Best, Jon Or netstat -p tcp -- FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #13: Sat Dec 16 15:42:22 EST 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CLK01A PGP? : http://www.clkroot.net/security/nb_root.asc pgpqgYyP0xxSS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: freeBSD network error
Xian wrote: On Friday 22 December 2006 06:02, freebsd wrote: Hi all I have installed FreeBSD 6.0 unix recently. But I am not able to configure network (internet). I am having leased line with Realtek gigabit ethernet NIC. When I try to configure it is not showing the interface itself on sysinstall. Whether this freeBSD support this card or else what I have to do. Please help me Expect your earlier response regards arun The card can be configured after install, if the drivers for it exist. They just might not be in the kernell at install time (I don't know what ones are). The re or rl drivers might be wat your after. The man pages for them have lists of supported cards. Try re. rl is for the 10/100MBit cards--I know because I have one. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
looking for advice on NAS
I am currently setting up a FreeBSD box that is currently running some ugly kind of Linux (Mandrakelinux?). It currently has 350 GB of data residing in Samba shares so I am thinking about exporting storage to a NAS device. So I am looking for advice or comments on this move. I am attracted by a small form factor device but I also know about software that zombifies a normal PC into a NAS device (FreeBSD-based OpenNAS). Another issue is an eventual backup to another portable device. Does NAS allow for this? Any comments welcome. Peter __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvida driver on amd64
On Friday 22 December 2006 17:08, Modulok wrote: First of all, I'm not asking for a step by step guide...just needing someone to point me in the right direction: There is a FreeBSD project un-officially named project evil which allows one to use binary drivers from Microsoft windows for network interface cards that are not natively supported. Is there a similar project or method out there for video card drivers, such that we may use Linux drivers for video cards that aren't natively supported under FreeBSD? Basically I'm looking to get an nvidia driver for an FreeBSD system on amd64, that supports openGL 2.0 hardware acceleration. So far, nvidia only supports FreeBSD on the x86. Aside from going to linux (which I really don't want to do) any suggestions on how to accomplish this? Can I use a driver compiled for x86 on an amd64 architecture perhaps? Thanks. -Modulok- You are at the mercy of nvidia to provide an AMD64 nvidia driver. There is no available magic to make either the linux AMD64 driver or the FreeBSD i386 driver work on FBSD AMD64. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
firefox can't save file
HI, my firefox and linux-firefox can't save files, all i got is in the dmesg, that said Warning: pid 87165 used static ldt allocation. See the i386_set_ldt man page for more info what shall i do?? TFC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]