Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 + b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com wrote: Scott Bennet wrote: There haven't been much changes in the infrastructure of these two ports recently, so any problems are probably arising from changes in the distfiles, or problems in your base system or the ports that are used to build and install lang/gcc4X. I'm running 7.2-STABLE. With one exception, I do not alter the contents of the ports tree manually. That exception is either math/atlas or math/atlas-devel, depending upon which I install. After installing 7.2 several months ago, I installed math/atlas-devel, which built properly all by itself without requiring any of the manual tweaking that earlier versions had required, so since switching from 6.3-STABLE to 7.2-STABLE, I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in make deinstall make reinstall or some other standard use of make for a port). After seeing both lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 fail in exactly the same way, and then seeing another port fail in what appeared to be a similar way a few days later, I resorted to a portsnap fetch extract in case something in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow. Rerunning portmaster afterward yielded the same results. =3D=3D=3D Starting check for runtime dependencies =3D=3D=3D Gathering dependency list for lang/gcc43 from ports =3D=3D=3D Starting dependency check =3D=3D=3D Checking dependency: converters/libiconv =3D=3D=3D Checking dependency: math/libgmp4 =3D=3D=3D Checking dependency: math/mpfr =3D=3D=3D Dependency check complete for lang/gcc43 /bin/rm -f /usr/local/man/man7/fsf-funding.7 /usr/local/man/man7/gfdl.7 /= usr/local/man/man7/gpl.7 Something is very wrong here. portmaster should now be running 'make install', but the build transcript shows messages of the post-install target first, and then messages of the do-install target afterwards. Obviously this is going to lead to problems if it represents the true order in which commands were executed. Did you mangle the transcript, or does it faithfully represent the order in which things occurred? The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you. Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however. If the latter, are you running a parallel build? If so, don't. Try I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade. If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too. starting from scratch, using only a single make job at any given time. Start from a clean WRKDIR, and remove portmaster from consideration, by using a simple 'make deinstall clean install' (backup your existing lang/gcc4X installation first if you so desire with 'pkg_create -b'.) portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the ports in question. What happens? Surprise, surprise! It worked for lang/gcc43, which proceeded through a successful installation. I also tried the same for lang/gcc44, and it, too, built and installed successfully. Thank you very much for the suggestion. I cannot begin to imagine why it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade. I guess I will just have to add -x gcc\* to the portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a runs from now on, which is now possible thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple -x arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that worked in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this for a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed by portmaster or portupgrade, however. I guess next I'll try running portmaster as shown above and see what else might fail, now that I have two and a half weeks of ports updates accumulated but not yet processed. :-) Thanks again for the suggestion! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To
Re: howto use https in favour of http
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:21 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote: Scott Bennett wrote: Alexander Best wrote: Hi, i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that address. [snip] Perhaps the easiest direct solution is to bookmark https://permail.uni-muenster.de/ in the browser bookmarks instead of http://permail.uni-muenster.de/ If he wants to apply the HTTPS requirement only to a particular page (e.g., the home page) at a web site, that *might* work. OTOH, there may be points of failure, such as this example in the page whose URL is shown above. a href=http://www.permail.uni-muenster.de; rel=subsection Depending upon a bookmark would also fail to apply the restriction to any links to other pages at the same site that the user might click on on the page. It also ignores the many dozens (hundreds?) of security problems that are fixed/blocked by plug-ins like NoScript and Torbutton. Once NoScript has been installed, it is plenty easy, as I outlined previously, to apply such a restriction to an entire web site or to all web sites in a given domain. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:03:12 -0200 Gonzalo Nemmi gne...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: Jonathan McKeown wrote: Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? This thread moving of topic from OP, but it is always fair to debate what should be considered a base system. Is an MTA a requirement or a remnant from history? Dear Erik: Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: Just so. 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason This item has been neglected thus far in the current iteration of this topic. The *historical* distinction that places sendmail squarely in the base system and also relegates all other MTAs to ports is this: sendmail was written for, and has been part of, BSD UNIX since the earliest TCP/IP releases of BSD UNIX (4.1BSD or perhaps even 4.0cBSD), whereas the rest were not and have not been. 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical reasons. Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same question. And George Santayana's famous dictum may well apply even in this case. :) Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates
On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 + b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Scott Bennet wrote:
...
With one exception, I do not alter the
contents of the ports tree manually.
...
I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any
changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of
portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in make deinstall make
reinstall
...
I resorted to a portsnap fetch extract in case something
in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow.
Right, I wasn't suggesting it was necessarily due to local changes to
the Ports tree, although on the face of it that was possible, but that
it may also have failed because, once in a while, binaries and other
files belonging to the base system or ports get corrupted, and
malfunction. This is usually due to hardware problems, user error,
and occasionally, an OS or third-party software bug. The lang/gcc4?
ports are lengthy and demanding builds, and are among the most likely
to fail if such problems exist.
...
The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where
a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which
contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you.
Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however.
You may want to save it, so that it will be available if anyone
decides to try to track down the problem.
I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade.
If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears
to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too.
If parallel builds are not disabled in a port Makefile, or by you, and
you have a multiple-cpu or multiple-core machine, then
ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk uses:
# Multiple make jobs support
.if defined(DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS) || defined(MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE)
_MAKE_JOBS= #
.else
.if defined(MAKE_JOBS_SAFE) || defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS)
MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus`
_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER}
.if defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS)
BUILD_FAIL_MESSAGE+=You have chosen to use multiple make jobs
(parallelization) for all ports. This port was not tested for this
setting. Please remove FORCE_MAKE_JOBS and retry the build before
reporting the failure to the maintainer.
.endif
.endif
.endif
to do a parallel build. Since this feature is relatively new, and
people are occasionally finding that it breaks port builds, then it is
an obvious thing to try disabling in a case like this, where you have
a demanding build, and some evidence that things are being done out of
the proper order. In the future, you can disable this feature for a
build by setting DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes on the make command line, in
the build environment, or in /etc/make.conf, e.g.:
.if${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/lang/gcc44*}
DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes
.endif
portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the
ports in question.
Ok. I don't use portmaster often, but portupgrade will often restore
an old installation of the port from the backup package automatically
after a failure.
...
I cannot begin to imagine why
it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade.
Occasionally a port exposes a bug in portmaster or portupgrade. This
may be such a case, especially since Doug Barton made some recent
changes to portmaster. But the most common reason for failure is that
many ports, to enable easy maintenance, use sloppy flags like
LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib or CPPFLAGS=-I${LOCALBASE}/include, that
may lead them to link against the older, already installed versions of
themselves, or to include old versions of their own headers if they
are present in the system. So it's always safer to deinstall a port
_before_ attempting to build it, or to build the port in a clean
sandbox as is done on many package-building clusters. portmaster and
portupgrade choose not to do this, in order to shorten the process of
recovering from a failed build, and to minimize the time during which
a piece of software is unavailable to users, and this can lead to
problems. I don't say that this happened in this case, but it is a
possibility.
I guess I will just have to add -x gcc\* to the
portmaster -x perl\*5.8.9\* -a runs from now on, which is now possible
thanks to Doug Barton's portmaster enhancement that allows multiple -x
arguments, and do lang/gcc* updates by the old-fashioned method that worked
in this case. I'm not sure what to do if a situation arises like this for
a port that has many dependencies that would typically be better managed by
portmaster or portupgrade, however.
You don't have to do it on the command line -- you can add the port to
HOLD_PKGS in pkgtools.conf with portupgrade, or use a
/var/db/pkg/*/+IGNOREME as described in portmaster(8). It's a bit of
a pain to manage large updates -- you
Re: gcc -pg and ld error, cannot find -lgcc_p
Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) after investigating the NO_PROFILE option in /etc/make.conf. There's only a PERL_VERSION in make.conf. Since sysinstall doesn't work (this is -p4, not a base media install), how does one go about installing proflibs? I didn't see anything related to proflibs in the csup files. If no corresponding binary distribution is available, and /usr/lib/libgcc_p.a and the other profiled libraries are not installed on your system, then you'll have to build them from source. Install the proper versions of the base system sources, if you don't already have them. Make sure that WITHOUT_PROFILE, NO_PROFILE, and NOPROFILE are not defined in your build environment, or in any included makefiles like /etc/make.conf or /etc/src.conf, and that MK_PROFILE is not defined to be no in those places, either. Then rebuild and reinstall world and kernel, as described in /usr/src/UPDATING. Or, if you know what you're doing, you can build and install only the needed libraries by hand. Most of the profiled libraries are automatically built along with their non-profiled counterparts by commands in /usr/share/mk/bsd.lib.mk. b. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: win 7 dual boot
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11:15 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's magic bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting? EasyBCD still works, but you'll need to register on the site and download the beta of 2.0 from the forums - the 1.x version won't work. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it will bite if I leave it alone. %whereis m4 m4: /usr/bin/m4 /usr/share/man/en.ISO8859-1/man1/m4.1.gz /usr/src/usr.bin/m4 It's not a package. If you want to fix it pkgdb -F ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 I wonder how that happened, Too much alcohol? how to fix it, cd /usr/ports/devel/m4 make deinstall and if it will bite if I leave it alone. No one will ever know that ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr wrote: (I feel sorry for the very poor english I demonstrated in the message I wrote this morning: I was in a hurry!) Don't mind, many user here aren't native speakers, but are still completely good to understand. I have backups of the data contained in the broken, so the data on this disc are not a concern. So then: Goodbye, cruel hard disk, it's over... and let it fly. :-) I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as possible? I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is a good tool for such verification. As far as I understood, it can read internal error logs from the firmware. As the other contributors join their voices to yours, I will replace the faulty disk ASAP. Best choice, especially because you don't need to run the hard disk in order to get the data back. Oh backups are such a fine thing, I wish I had some. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file freetype.so.6 cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from generic names, such as /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ - libfreetype.so.9 If a program requires freetype, it requests the library function and tells the dynamic linker if it requires a certain version. If this version is not available, the linker throws an error. You can check if the link structures are correct by performing a ll (often = ls -laFG) on the specific file in /usr/local/lib. If the structures are not present, or a library is missing, maybe you need to update the requested facility; in this case, it may be neccessary to update freetype or even the whole X subsystem... the fine name may not be correct as I don't have it in front of me... but then, where is this shared file supposed to be? Libraries of third party software go in /usr/local/lib. For some packages that install in the /opt fashion, they are located in /usr/local/pkgname/lib. The linker has to be notified to search such paths. The setups for the flashplayer are such a ridiculous mess that I can only laugh... A modern technique that requires me to jump around in such a way is not worth that I am using it. Imagine you would need to do this to enable displaying PNG images or formatiing text paragraph-wise in a web browser... And some funny people call Flash a standard! :-) And when I think that Flash is mostly abused to make the web inaccessible, to display ads (or even just images), then... no, thank you. If a content designer (ab)uses Flash to make his web site unaccessible to you (as a person who uses the FreeBSD operating system and its programs), he doesn't want you to see the web site, it's that simple. I'm going to have fun with Flash soon on my 8.0-RC testing system, so I closely follow such discussions and the included batteries, erm, advices. :-) There are obviously conflicts or something screwing things up from other programs like gimp or ImageMagic or gstreamers or some such stuff... Yes, there seems to be a defective library dependency, mostly due to incomplete updates. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:56:11 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I have tried them all... now I have linux-f10 with flashplayer10 installed and all I get is an error that flashplugin.so cannot be started because a shared file freetype.so.6 cannot be found... It's there allright and is linked to fretype.so.6.13 or some number like that... In FreeBSD, libraries are linked to version numbers from generic names, such as /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so@ - libfreetype.so.9 In this case, the missing library is almost certainly /usr/compat/linux/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 which works by the Linux rules -- so the library the app tries to link against is libfreetype.so.6, which is a link to libfreetype.so.6.3.18. I'm fairly confident that this is the case, because the FreeBSD native Freetype library is /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so.9 Completely different ABI version number, unlike what the OP posted. To the OP: that shlib comes from the linux_base-f10-10_2 package on my machine, so unless you're missing chunks of that package you should have it. Use 'pkg_info -g linux_base\*' to see if any of the package contents have got lost or scrambled. It will probably tell you that /compat/linux/etc/ld.so.cache doesn't match the original checksum, but that's normal, as that file is modified whenever you install any other linux shlibs. Further more, the linux ld.so.cache file should contain a record for libfreetype: % /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -p | grep freetype libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) = /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 You should be able to rebuild it by # /compat/linux/sbin/ldconfig -v -n /lib /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: flashplugin
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:43:11 -0500 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: I wish someone could explain to me why I am no longer able to install flashplugin ... none of the methods work for me on amy version... I have literally tried them all.. the latest was linux-f10 - I cleaned out all the linux stuff, umounted the proc sytem cleaned out everything I could find related (?) to linux and reinstalled. No go, no way, José! I did catch some kind of warning that flashed by on the screen about Glib - seems to be gstreamer related...??? and the only thing I can find is the error message that flashplugin.so (or whatever the file is) could not be loaded because shared file libfreetype.so.6 could not be found... and the only libfreetype.so.6 file on the s;ystem is ...so.6.something.something... If the system is smart enought to not find the right file, it ought to be smart enought to know where this file should be and to what it is related... duh ! Hi PJ, I hope you won't take this the wrong way, it really isn't intended to be an insult, but looking at your posting history I seriously wonder if FreeBSD is for you. You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? You ask questions in a very random way, try things without any clear plan, and when given advice you seem to quickly move on to some other difficulty rather than getting used to one thing at a time. It does take time and effort to learn to use FreeBSD effectively, but once you have learned it (i.e., started to gain a deep understanding of how things work separately and together rather than just managing to fix things piecemeal without any real understanding) it works wonderfully with a huge range of hardware and software. If you do want to stick with FreeBSD it might be better if you just sat down with the Manual and read through systematically before trying to tweak things. But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +, Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? [...] But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Hi Polytropon, thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried it. Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for everyone. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD_RC2?
I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release for FreeBSD 8.0? thanks David McDonald ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:53:18 +, Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: You seem to want everything to just work without having to think about it, so perhaps Windows would be better for you? [...] But my guess is that you really would be happier and more productive with a Windows OS. That isn't meant to be a please go away and let us get on with using FreeBSD, it is an honest reaction to the pain and confusion you seem to cause yourself as you randomly try things in FreeBSD. In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Thank you for your support, Polytropon :-) You are quite right. And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I have been working with FreeBSD in limited ways since about 1997 (if I recall right). I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. For instance, I have no problem installing FreeBSD, setting up and configuring apache, php, samba, cups, or most programs I use. Sometimes I see inquiries on the list and know what the problem is and would be happy to help someone but I am not secure enough to butt in. Yet I see that it is a simple solution... follow the instructions, read the manual, check the web and the man pages and you're likely to find the solutuion. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure,
m4 (was Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?)
Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com writes: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it will bite if I leave it alone. The port one is the Gnu version. The base system one is the traditional one that goes back to the ATT days, although it has been updated to meet POSIX. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: win 7 dual boot
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:16:27PM -0400, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Jack L. wrote:
I was able to dual boot win7 and freebsd 8 without any problem, just
installed windows first and installed freebsd with the freebsd boot
manager and it said F1 windows and the rest are FreeBSD
I am attempting to avoid having to reinstall the fb side of things ;-)
Sure. Then, probably doing as you said - install the Win7 and let it
do its thing and then reinstall the FreeBSD MBR. You should probably
be able to use the Fixit CD boot for that. I don't know EasyBCD,
but if it worked before, it will probably work with this too.
I don't think anything much has changed in that area.
jerry
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman
aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote:
I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition...
when
I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and
after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's
magic
bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues
and/or
any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?
Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
/etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead
of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on
RC2
right now}]?
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Re: flashplugin
Tony McC wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:25 +0100 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: In Windows, things don't work without thinking. The misbelief that is does is grounded in the fact that other people have to deal with problems, while the user praises Windows for its easyness of use. In PJ's case, maybe PC-BSD is a good choice. As far as I know, they offer a working Flash plugin that can be installed by their PBI system. I haven't tested this because PC-BSD with its KDE centric concept simply isn't my cup of tea, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good OS - hey, it's still FreeBSD. :-) Tony, I can understand that you might get the impression that PJ doesn't have a full understanding of the concepts and procedures needed to know in order to properly operate FreeBSD. This may be true. But he's constantly learning and understanding, and I think even with the troubles he likes to use FreeBSD (PJ, correct me if I'm wrong). When I came to FreeBSD (from a Linux and WEGA background, with lots of strange mainframe knowledge), I had similar trouble. I had many issues with C, too, before it became my primary programming language, but the fact that I can master FreeBSD now (at a sufficient level) is due to the fact that I had much good help, especially from this list, as well as much practice. Recognizing and resolving library requirements can surely be such a step into the right direction. It's not a state, it's a process. In the future, PJ will not only know that things work, but additionally understand *how* and *why* they work, and this will make him a master of FreeBSD, too. Hi Polytropon, thanks, I hope you are right, and I would love to see PJ become a master of FreeBSD, but my impression from the mailing list is that that progress is going to be too long and too frustrating. I suppose only PJ can know if he/she feels that progress is happening. Nonetheless, I stand by the advice to work systematically through the handbook and try to gain a real understanding rather than a series of fixes. I suppose I was suggesting that rather than address endless frustrating symptoms of what looks like a mismatch between PJ's character (not ability, I certainly do not wish to disparage that - by character I mean a reluctance to stand back, slow down and approach the learning systematically and to give it the time it will need) and the FreeBSD way of doing things, it might be better to just move to something more pre-packaged. PC-BSD may well be a good choice, I haven't tried it. Oh, and you are exactly right about the kind of understanding that can come with spending time with FreeBSD. But perhaps it's not for everyone. Hi Tony, I understand you POV but... I don't see why FreeBSD should not be for everyone. It sure would be great if we could lose MS and their associate mush. I see no reason why a FreeBSD user should have to become as master of the system. If the software is properly set up and maintained, there should be no need for huge techincal know-how. Your assumption is that the user should have enough knowledge to fix bugs or problems that are caused by technical errors and/or complexities. Isn't it a litttle absurd that often small updates to ports/progams cause huge problems in adapting to the new versions? Maybe that is an indication that the original concept of the port/proram was somewhat lacking and that just puts us right smack on a par with MS, Adobe and all the overbloated programs associated therewith. When FreeBSD programs are set up right and work fine it's a real delight... but when an update or small change blows things apart and you have to go back to kindergarden to learn a new universe... it's nt very comforting. Cheers. PJ=he not she heh...heh...heh :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 05:03:12PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 4:32:45 pm Erik Norgaard wrote: Jonathan McKeown wrote: Just as a matter of interest, if you want to rip sendmail out of the base system, which MTA would you like to replace it with? Or are you suggesting the system ship with no way to handle mail? [snip] Dear Erik: Contrary to your belief the thread isn't moving of topic from OP, it's just taking the same default route it has been taking for ages: 1) telling the OP the OS needs an MTA 2) telling the OP he can replace the default MTA 3) telling the OP he can remove given MTA from base 4) telling the OP about historical reason 5) Not telling the OP why has FreeBSD has left so many historical reason behind to persuit new goals but retained Sendmail as the default MTA for historical reasons. Sorry .. but that's the way it goes every time someone asks the same question. Sounds like FAQ material. I will add one more that covers it best. Sendmail works just fine and there is no ACTUAL CURRENT reason to get rid of it.Years ago it had some weaknesses which have been fixed. So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason for wanting to replace it. In that case, if your personal preference is to replace it, go ahead. There are several candidates and an earlier post described well how to do it. As for putting it in ports and taking it out of base, well, some message system is often needed before ports are installed. Sendmail fills the bill.Some other could also, but since Sendmail works just fine and is already there, then it is. [snip] I'm no mail server guru, but I liked how one could fairly easily get a base configuration going of Sendmail by following the page in the Handbook. Once done Postfix could be installed from ports and it would Just Work, because it would adopt the Sendmail config. Tweaking can start from a known good configuration. This doesn't include addon complexities such as virtual domains and users, spam and anti-virus, etc., but I've always found it better to start with a functional base and add the additional stuff one thing at a time. Yes - I favor Postfix, but it may not be the right cup of tea for all situations. However, my own personal preference is to leave the Sendmail thingy the way it is. I still use Sendmail for some things. There's just too many other fish that need to be fried. It works, supplies basic necessary functionality as is, is largely trouble free these days, and easily replaced with some other personal preference should it be desired. The guy in charge also actively maintains the FreeBSD bits. Compare the way Sendmail works in FreeBSD with lets say, ahem, Adobe's Flash. Opposite ends of the spectrum. Just my $.02 for sure, but I like the status quo being what it is. Now returning to the painting of my bikeshed... :-) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD_RC2?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 07:48:16AM -0600, David McDonald wrote: I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release for FreeBSD 8.0? In general one should not assume that any Release or Release Candidate files available for download until the official announcment has gone out. (It has happened that a release had to be pulled at the last minute even after images had gone out to most mirrors, but before the official announcement.) In this particular case the official announcement for 8.0-RC2 has just been made so I guess any RC2 files found now are indeed the real deal. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Two versions of m4
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:46:07 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 Evidently my package database is corrupt in some way, because it shows m4 as an installed port. I wonder how that happened, how to fix it, and if it will bite if I leave it alone. Some ports need the GNU version of `m4'. So they install a second copy of m4 in `/usr/local'. You should be able to see the ports that depend on GNU m4 with pkg_info. On my system this shows: : $ pkg_info -R m4\* : Information for m4-1.4.13,1: : : Required by: : automake-1.5_5,1 : automake-1.6.3_1 : automake-1.9.6_3 : bison-2.4.1,1 : autoconf-2.62 : automake-1.10.1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote: Lars Eighner said the following on 2009-10-28 05:46: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:24:38 -0500 (CDT), Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Evidently by making it necessary to learn yet another scripting language to configure it. Other than personal profit I cannot see why people are clinging like grim death to something this fubar. Really, let's go past this one more time: Sure, sendmail.cf is hard to work with so the solution is you learn m4! Did you look at the link he offered? How helpful is that? Beside which, m4 is a PORT. So if sendmail is not configurable without a port, why isn't it a port? Can we go back to our regular hacking, please? m4 is not a port: $ which m4 /usr/bin/m4 I wonder how that happened, Too much alcohol? Really? See /usr/src/usr.bin/m4/Makefile ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD_RC2?
Thank you for your reply. Now to try it out. David McDonald At 09:22 AM 10/28/2009, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 07:48:16AM -0600, David McDonald wrote: I looked at the contents of the link to 8.0_RC1 and found files there marked RC2. I will give it a try but is that the real RC2 release for FreeBSD 8.0? In general one should not assume that any Release or Release Candidate files available for download until the official announcment has gone out. (It has happened that a release had to be pulled at the last minute even after images had gone out to most mirrors, but before the official announcement.) In this particular case the official announcement for 8.0-RC2 has just been made so I guess any RC2 files found now are indeed the real deal. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
Michaël Grünewald wrote: [snip] I have backups of the data contained in the broken, so the data on this disc are not a concern. I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as possible? [snip] As Polytropon indicated the smartctl commands for testing contained within the smartmontools port will extract the error logs from within the drive's firmware. There are two modes you can select from (basically a long and a short) that you can execute now at a command prompt. It can also be run as a daemon for continual monitoring. The data returned is somewhat arcane and can be semi difficult to interpret. There are various levels of usability which can vary by hardware. Some RAID controllers may get in the way of direct communication to some hard drives. Other controllers, as you go up the 'expensive high dollar' ladder will often do built-in SMART monitoring and will beep and/or send emails when it detects error conditions from a drive. Some even either contain, or have an external utility which provide a web based browser accessible view in real time. The purpose is to attempt to detect a drive that is about to fail. As far as the most basic level goes, you would look for numbers which indicate that the bad sector remap area has filled. Once this space gets filled any new bad sectors that develop can no longer be mapped out. This usually shows up in the operating system as some generic form of unrecoverable read/write error message and Bad Things begin to happen. I have not used Spinright in a very long time, but it may buy some life on such a drive. If it can clear the bad sector remap area after adjusting the remap table it can give new life to a drive. The same thing used to be possible on SCSI drives by running the low level format utility usually contained within the controller firmware. Such fixes should only be viewed as extremely temporary in nature, as the general pattern with regard to magnetic media failure is that once it starts to get bad spots it will keep on getting bad spots on a fairly regular basis afterwords. Interesting reading: http://www.usenix.org/publications/login/2008-06/openpdfs/bairavasundaram.pdf -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
I would like to: - upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, 6.4-RELEASE) - replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: --prefix config directive and point it to /usr: --prefix=/usr However, that does not work - running: /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will simply use: --prefix=/usr/local instead ... but that also does not work. No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two binaries in two different locations. Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL with the source tarball ? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn and understand... especially with the help of those who have dared to tread there before you... and their help is really invaluable. Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you can for the new one. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of George Sanders Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 10:58 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? I would like to: - upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, 6.4-RELEASE) - replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: --prefix config directive and point it to /usr: --prefix=/usr However, that does not work - running: /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will simply use: --prefix=/usr/local instead ... but that also does not work. No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two binaries in two different locations. Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL with the source tarball ? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gcc -pg and ld error, cannot find -lgcc_p
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:34 AM, free...@t41t.com wrote: Use sysinstall to add the proflibs distribution. Or one could rebuild/install world (and kernel if necessary) after investigating the NO_PROFILE option in /etc/make.conf. There's only a PERL_VERSION in make.conf. Since sysinstall doesn't work (this is -p4, not a base media install), how does one go about installing proflibs? I didn't see anything related to proflibs in the csup files. Well, on my 7.1-RELEASE-p8 system, sysinstall does warn, but subsequently asks whether I'd like to try and use this disc anyway. I did not try (as I already have proflibs installed) but maybe you could, and then you could configure /etc/freebsd-update.conf to select only the world/proflibs component, and then run freebsd-update. That should save you from having to build from sources. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
- Original Message From: Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com To: George Sanders gosand1...@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 11:01:35 AM Subject: RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you can for the new one. Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the same place_ as the one I just removed. For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do indeed need to use the source tarball. So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 + Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our learning styles must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a learning style, when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:57:52 -0700 (PDT) George Sanders gosand1...@yahoo.com replied: I would like to: - upgrade the built-in OpenSSL that comes with FreeBSD (in my case, 6.4-RELEASE) - replace it with OpenSSL that I build myself from the source tarball If I do this with a plain old: ./config ; make ; make install OpenSSL does indeed build and install, but it installs in an alternate location and does not overwrite the FreeBSD built-in. Ok, should be easy to fix - I will simply use an: --prefix config directive and point it to /usr: --prefix=/usr However, that does not work - running: /usr/local/ssl/bin/openssl version shows me that this binary has not changed. Ok, no problem, I will simply use: --prefix=/usr/local instead ... but that also does not work. No matter what I do, I cannot get the OpenSSL source tarball to overwrite my built-in OpenSSL in FreeBSD - I always end up having two binaries in two different locations. Can someone tell me how to just cleanly replace the built-in OpenSSL with the source tarball ? I use this in my /etc/make.conf file: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=yes -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | (null cookie; hope that's ok) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: DNS Question
Chuck Swiger wrote: On Oct 23, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Matthew Seaman wrote: You aren't supposed to use CNAMES for anything found in other RR's; in particular, you should always use an A record with the hostnames used for nameservers (ie, have an NS record), because you are supposed to be using the canonical name rather than an alias. Errr? You mean the rule that NS and MX and SRV rdata must include an A record rather than a CNAME? That's true, but what does that have to do with web serving? Consider the case of redirects involving cnames; you end up with a lot of extra DNS traffic. The illegality mentioned further upthread is that you can't use a CNAME at a zone apex because of the 'CNAME and other data rule'[*] -- as there's always got to be SOA and NS records at the zone apex, if you want a web page at 'example.com' you'ld have to provide an A or record for it. Unless you're Verisign and have control over the nameservers for .com, this is almost certainly illegal: example.com. IN CNAME www.example.com On the other hand: www.example.com. IN CNAME example.com. is generally fine. It's generally fine, sure, but almost never ideal. You don't save traffic by using CNAMEs instead of A records PS: It's odd where google pulls up references to fairly canonical docs, sometimes. I'm not sure I even recognize ua, and I suspect I deal with two-letter ISO 3166 country names more than most folks do. Maybe Ukraine? :-) Of course it's Ukraine. .uk was already taken, even though the two letter iso-code for this country is officially .gb. We're in an exclusive club of two nations that generally don't use their official iso-code in the DNS. No prizes for guessing which the other one is. Shucks, how can you pull in Jeopardy references and then deny giving out prizes? Well, my guess would be ie, although people who speak Finnish and call their home Suomi might find fi odd, also Cheers, Matthew [*] Little known factoid, but there are two legal exceptions to the 'CNAME and other data' rule. You can have RRSIG or NSEC records at the same label as CNAME -- see RFC 4035. Obscure DNS trivia for 100, Alex... Regards, Just so everyone knows, having a domain with a CNAME at the top will hose your mail traffic. We tried it, and some servers delivered fine, others did not. Checking with dig +trace, and dns stuff, showed the problem. Just trying to get a MX record for mainstreetfin.com would fail. The record we had was, mainstreetfin.com CNAME website.elliemae.com And the problem is shown below. --- DNS Lookup: mainstreetfin.com MX record Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at a.root-servers.net [198.41.0.4]: Got referral to M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. (zone: com.) [took 39 ms] Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.55.83.30]: Got referral to ns2auth.tls.net. (zone: mainstreetfin.com.) [took 11 ms] Searching for mainstreetfin.com MX record at ns2auth.tls.net. [65.123.104.30]: Got CNAME of website.elliemae.com. and referral to k.root-servers.net [took 36 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at g.root-servers.net [192.112.36.4]: Got referral to I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. (zone: com.) [took 143 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. [192.43.172.30]: Got referral to ns2.elliemae.net. (zone: elliemae.com.) [took 63 ms] Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns2.elliemae.net. [63.241.88.21]: Timed out. Trying again. Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns2.elliemae.net. [63.241.88.21]: Timed out. Trying again. Searching for website.elliemae.com MX record at ns1.elliemae.net. [216.35.165.21]: Reports that no MX records exist. [took 46 ms] Response: No MX records exist for website.elliemae.com. [Neg TTL=300 seconds] Details: ns1.elliemae.net. (an authoritative nameserver for elliemae.com.) says that there are no MX records for website.elliemae.com. The E-mail address in charge of the elliemae.com. zone is: hostmas...@elliemae.com. NOTE: One or more CNAMEs were encountered. mainstreetfin.com is really website.elliemae.com. So some mail servers never asked our authoritative servers what the MX record was. Interesting. DAve -- Posterity, you will know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it. John Quincy Adams http://appleseedinfo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
George Sanders wrote: - Original Message From: Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com To: George Sanders gosand1...@yahoo.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed, October 28, 2009 11:01:35 AM Subject: RE: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ? Maybe remove the existing package first? And try to use a pkg if you can for the new one. Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the same place_ as the one I just removed. For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do indeed need to use the source tarball. So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... Thanks. Well the base openssl is held in /usr/src/crypto/openssl but the makefile is in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl so I'd look at those. I'm in no way knowledgeable about openssl or how its integrated into freebsd though, this is just from a quick look at the sources. Vince ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:14:17AM +, Frank Shute wrote: I'll speculate as to the reasons: NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. Those both sound like great reasons. Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. Considering what DragonFly's new MTA does (and doesn't do), I'm pretty sure smaller footprint was among the reasons for it to use something other than Sendmail, too. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their choice out of ports. That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. OpenSMTPD looks promising. If it turns out to be as nice as it seems it will, I wouldn't be opposed to making it part of base instead of Sendmail, but of course it's entirely possible that I've overlooked some potential problems. The licensing is right, too (unlike, perhaps, that of Postfix). -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgplmnOSIxhXl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How do I replace the built-in OpenSSL with a source tarball ?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:14:22AM -0700, George Sanders wrote: Yes, but I still won't know how to put the new version in _exactly the same place_ as the one I just removed. For complex reasons of space and tools (embedded system, etc.) I do indeed need to use the source tarball. So I'd like to know what configure directive to feed to it to properly and _exactly_ replace the existing FreeBSD default OpenSSL... Not knowing anything more about ones complex reasons, I suggest giving serious consideration as to replacing the contents of /usr/src/crypto/openssl/ with OpenSSL's distribution sources and see what happens when one makes from /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl/ But before doing that I think serious consideration should be made as to making what ever embedded customizations one needs to the stock FreeBSD distribution files. Make your changes then generate patch files as an archive of the differences. Or better yet create your own custom fork in CVS, but I don't know how one would do that and still be able to sync with the official sources. IIRC there are plans to move the official FreeBSD sources to Subversion, which might complicate things. Have noticed in recent months cvsup often must replace rather than update files because checksums do not match. Guessing that has something to do with svn. http://svn.freebsd.org/ In years past I built a custom embedded FreeBSD out of FreeBSD 4.4 using only a custom Makefile outside of the /usr/src tree to drive the whole process. My built started with a clean checkout from my local CVS image of the official distribution. Don't recall making any code changes that couldn't be handled as compile defines from the Makefiles. Built into a chroot space, including selected ports. Then working from a list of utilities that I wanted in my reduced FreeBSD a script extracted library dependencies to create another list. Finally a new directory tree was created of the new system of only the files I wanted and their dependencies. My system including kernel was under 10 MB. Plus another 10 or 15 MB for Apache, and another 10 MB or so for Perl. Kept a 500 MHz P3 busy for a while. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dke...@hiwaay.net Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
When I plug in my USB floppy drive I get these messages: ugen1.2: NEC at usbus1 umass0: NEC NEC USB UF000x, class 0/0, rev 1.10/1.50, addr 2 on usbus1 umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:14:17 am Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: [snippage] So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason for wanting to replace it. Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal preference? I'll speculate as to the reasons: Come on .. there was no need to speculate .. you have the whole internet at your finger tips ;) NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. No, not really ... OpenBSD: A few months ago, I had to dive into the configuration of sendmail to make a very small change. It turns out I spent almost an hour trying to make sense out of a maze of files that were plain unreadable. Even the slightest changes would cause me to stand a couple minutes thinking, just trying to make sure I really wanted to make that change. ... You'll find whole thing here: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20081112084647 Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. By all means no .. not at all .. they didn't even started afresh .. Anyways .. You'll find the reasons here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html Hey, again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base and why not postfix, etc. We keep saying that we do need a mail delivery/transport agent, for stuff such as periodic, cron, etc. But that doesn't mean that we need sendmail. Actually a much simpler mailer would do: one that just delivers locally (and if possible, remote) and does nothing else. ... and here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/submit/2008-02/msg0.html Hi, corecode@ announced his DragonFly mail agent in [1] as a small, simple and clean implementation of a mailer in the base. The goal of dma was not to replace a feature complete MTA like sendmail or postfix. The basic intention was to be able to deliver mails from cron, periodic etc to local users. I enhanced dma and added remote delivery and some other features needed for works-out-of-the-box and to keep users happy :) The list of all features follows: ... Yet still, DragonFlyBSD as well as OpenBSD are in the procces of fully moving to their respective mailers, unlike NetBSD which already moved to Postfix. RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. That only accounts for only one distribution and I really don't know what you mean with package management because they have a lot of them ... FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their choice out of ports. That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. Yup .. I fully agree with you ... I just cancelled my freebsdmall.com FreeBSD suscription in order to use that money to buy OpenBSD releases .. so my money gets used to finance the development of OpenSMTP and other milestone technologies. They've earned it :) jerry Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Tony McC wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:00 + Tony McC af...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi PJ, ok, I tried (I was also trying to offer you support, just a different kind). There was a lot of irrelevant material in your response but the part I have quoted shows such a deep misunderstanding of what I was trying to suggest that I think I'm done. I honestly hope you do get past your headaches with FreeBSD, one way or another. Replying to myself, sorry. I think I owe you an apology for a grumpy response. I think it comes down to the fact our learning styles must be very different. You seem to like to try things first and then try to understand when things go wrong. I like to gain a reasonably firm theoretical understanding first and then try out things according to a plan, keeping notes at each stage. When something happens that I don't understand then of course I learn from that. I think we are just different. So no, I'm not suggesting you learn the manual by heart before going any further. I am suggesting that you *start* with the manual, take it step by step, and only try things that might break your system when a) you think you have a firm grasp of what you are doing and b) you have a contingency plan to revert to the way things were before if something surprising happens. And, again, as part of a learning style, when I do come across those uncomfortable surprises (and I do), I generally assume that I must have done something stupid, not that FreeBSD itself is stupid. That is also a learning experience for me. Best, Tony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org That's cool. NP. My thing is simply... if it works use it. If it doesn't try to fix it... and here's where you sometimes have to learn or find help. 8-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: When I plug in my USB floppy drive I get these messages: ugen1.2: NEC at usbus1 umass0: NEC NEC USB UF000x, class 0/0, rev 1.10/1.50, addr 2 on usbus1 umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): got CAM status 0x4 (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): fatal error, failed to attach to device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): lost device (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. Yuri Did you remove devel/libusb -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
Adam Vande More wrote: Did you remove devel/libusb It's installed: libusb-0.1.12_4 I enabled debugging and now get an extended dmesg log: ugen1.2: NEC at usbus1 umass0: NEC NEC USB UF000x, class 0/0, rev 1.10/1.50, addr 2 on usbus1 umass0: UFI over CBI with CCI; quirks = 0x umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:-1:-1:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:4:0:-1: Attached to scbus4 umass0:umass_cam_rescan: scbus4: scanning for 4:0:-1 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:-1:-1:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x12, flags: 0x40, 6b cmd/36b data/18b sense umass0:umass_attach: Attach finishedumass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x12002400...), data = 36b, dir = in umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 4 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=36 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=0 umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 8 umass0:umass_t_cbi_status_callback: UFI CCI, ASC = 0x00, ASCQ = 0x00 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x12, flags: 0x40, 6b cmd/255b data/18b sense umass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x1201ff00...), data = 255b, dir = in umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 4 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=255 umass0:umass_t_cbi_data_read_callback: max_bulk=131072, data_rem=0 umass0:umass_transfer_start: transfer index = 8 umass0:umass_t_cbi_status_callback: UFI CCI, ASC = 0x00, ASCQ = 0x00 umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_GET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SET_TRAN_SETTINGS:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_cbi_dump_cmd: cmd = 12b (0x...), data = 0b, dir = no data phase umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x00, flags: 0xc0, 6b cmd/0b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umassX:umass_cam_rescan_callback: xpt0: Rescan succeeded umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action: 4:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x25, flags: 0x40, 10b cmd/8b data/32b sense umass0:umass_t_cbi_reset1_callback: CBI reset! umass0:umass_tr_error: transfer error, USB_ERR_STALLED - reset umass0:umass_cam_action:
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
What does this mean? I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. Yuri -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
Adam Vande More wrote: What does this mean? I remember using the same drive in 7.0 without problems. It used to work in FreeBSD-70 long time ago. Now in FReeBSD-8.0-RC1 it doesn't. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr wrote: I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as possible? I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is a good tool for such verification. As far as I understood, it can read internal error logs from the firmware. Hi, following your suggestion I used smartmon to get access to the SMART data. I have run an extended offline test (with-t offline I think). The test reported no error (!) and the bad sectors are now read/writeable (!!). Is it safe to think the problem is gone? # smartctl -l selftest /dev/ad10 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 458 - # 2 Extended offlineAborted by host 70% 456 -- Best regards, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are not compatible to the rest of the world. OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] Vice versa. [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. That's correct. Modern printers aren't compatible (in terms of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners and digital media (cameras, players). And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary users found their way with DOS and used complicated programs. Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. It's always wise to use experimental testing and autodicatic reading side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs you mentioned? :-) They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. They simply aren't interested. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems This is the kind of user-friendly, modern and good looking that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so you need to reinstall everything. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is to achieve the same using JCL. :-) Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such an experience in MICROS~1 land. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. As I said, this is completely correct if you consider the fact that the OS can only act as it is told. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. This list represents a very friendly and educated community. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may be some residual information captured by one's brain but practical application is about the only way to really learn and understand... especially with the help of those who have
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
Yuri y...@rawbw.com writes: Adam Vande More wrote: Did you remove devel/libusb It's installed: libusb-0.1.12_4 That's your problem, then. You need to remove it and rebuild the ports that depended on it. This was mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING and /usr/src/UPDATING. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
2009/10/29 Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr: Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:05:39 +0100, Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr wrote: I have however a question: How do I verify that a hard-drive is accurately working if its firmware will hide the bad sectors as long as possible? I think the smartctl program from ports/smartmontools is a good tool for such verification. As far as I understood, it can read internal error logs from the firmware. Hi, following your suggestion I used smartmon to get access to the SMART data. I have run an extended offline test (with-t offline I think). The test reported no error (!) and the bad sectors are now read/writeable (!!). Is it safe to think the problem is gone? # smartctl -l selftest /dev/ad10 === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 458 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 70% 456 -- Best regards, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I've had this problem before on consumer grade HDD. * The drive tries to read/write to a sector, it can't, then marks the sector as bad and preps for remapping * Remapping may take upto 10 minutes on consumer grade HDD, enterprise ones usually remap within seconds. so this 10 minute lagg time will timeout the read/write of the OS. * Usually a remap is done on reboot or when its done internally and data is copied (if it can). If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. Regards David N ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: howto use https in favour of http
Scott Bennett schrieb am 2009-10-27: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:40:48 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: Alexander Best wrote: Olivier Nicole schrieb am 2009-10-27: Hi, i've added the following line to my /etc/hosts: permail.uni-muenster.de:25 permail.uni-muenster.de:443 so what i want is for freebsd to never use http, but https for that address. unfortunately hosts doesn't seem to support this syntax. [snip] i'm not using a webserver or anything. i'm just a regular user. the point is: i often forget to specify https://... for that specific address in apps like lynx or firefox. that's why the non-ssl version of that site is being loaded. i'd like freebsd to take care of this so even if the app is trying to access the non-ssl version it should in fact be redirected to the ssl version by freebsd. I thought that this is what you were originally after. FreeBSD, in itself, can't do this... much like Mac OS or Windows can't do this. Most applications such as Firefox can't even do this (inherently). If you are trying to enforce this as a personal/company policy, you will need to write a 'wrapper' around your application (lynx/firefox) to do this. Note that your example was :25-:443, which implied SMTP over SSL... Nonetheless, FreeBSD can't make these decisions inherently (thankfully). Steve I think the OP does not have a clear grasp on how the various protocols operate. Evidenced by confusing http with mail services. Yes, I know there is 'web mail', but even web based mail is still a web server. It is up to the server operator to configure the services on the server end of things. Whether its SMTP with SSL/TLS, HTTP/HTTPS, pop3 or imap with SSL, etc., all of these things are made to work at the server end. True enough a client may need to be configured to talk on port 995 for pop3/SSL or port 993 for IMAP/SSL but for the web a client shouldn't need to do anything. The web server operator configures which locations in his URI space should be served up on port 443, and the client's browser should automatically switch to HTTPS based upon this. The OP doesn't seem to understand that he doesn't need to make this happen on his end, at least as far as HTTP/HTTPS goes. All of this is true, but it is also true that many web sites offer part or all of their content pages by both protocols, which allows a client to fetch such pages by his/her choice of protocol. For such sites, it can be quite helpful to have a way to tell the browser to prefer, or even require, one or the other. If he is actually trying to configure a mail client to talk TLS or SSL to an SMTP server, then he needs to tell the email client software this. E.g., This connection requires encryption and whether it is SSL or TLS. Mail servers on port 25 do not use HTTP or HTTPS, but rather SMTP. So it seems as if he is just very confused. Definitely the case. However, this list is intended to provide help to users at all levels of experience and understanding. What has been overlooked in all of the above discussion is that there *is* some help available for the OP. A plug-in is available for Firefox that should *always* be installed ASAP after Firefox has been installed unless you don't give a rat's ass about browser security. The plug-in is called NoScript. (Other highly recommended Firefox security plug-ins include QuickJava, SafeCache, Torbutton, Better Privacy, etc.) Directions for the OP: after installing NoScript and restarting Firefox, bring up the NoScript Options panel. You can do this either by clicking on Tools in the Firefox menu bar at the top of the window and then on Add-ons or Plug-ins or some such, depending upon the Firefox version. This will bring up a panel listing all installed plug-ins. Find the entry for NoScript, click on the entry (not a button, though) to select it, then click on its Preferences button. Two alternative methods of getting to the same NoScript Options panel depend upon what you see at the bottom of the main Firefox window. If you see a bar inside the window at the bottom that says something about scripts with an Options... button at the right, clock on the Options button and then on the Options... line at the top of the resulting menu. The other alternative method is available when there is a capital letter S in a circle in the bottom Firefox status bar. Right-click on this S, which may have a slash through it or other decorations, to get a slightly differently ordered menu. Click on the Options... line of this menu to get the NoScript Options panel. Once the NoScript Options panel is visible, click on the Advanced tab at the righthand end of the sequence of tabs. This will display some subtabs below the main tabs. Click again on the
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:13:02 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: And I do wish I could use only FreeBSD... the problem is that there are some limitations on compatibility with the normal user's MS systems... You're mixing up things here. Things in MICROS~1 land are not compatible to the rest of the world. OpenOffice.org is not completely compatible with MS nor are the Adobe products completely replaceable - [...] Vice versa. [...] mainly because the commercial printers and other users are not equipped or compatible with Unixes. That's correct. Modern printers aren't compatible (in terms of compatibility or compliance to existing standards). This is true for many other kind of devices, such as webcams, scanners and digital media (cameras, players). And, of course, the difficulty with learning curves and adaptability of the unix alternatives are also deterrents. :-( I don't think that's correct. Remember, in the past, ordinary users found their way with DOS and used complicated programs. Is there so much more dumbness around today? No. I think it's just the result of aggressive marketing and clever indoctrination. I don't know if I'll ever become a master, but I am learning more by actually using it since I am a firm believer in direct use learning. It's always wise to use experimental testing and autodicatic reading side by side. Of course, most people don't learn without making their own mistakes, but there's no need to repeat all the stupid mistakes that happen if a person doesn't read the manpage or learn about a certain syntax, concept or procedure. The only reason I use MS is because most normal users use word, illustrator, photoshop. Are you talking about those who use PIRATED COPIES of the programs you mentioned? :-) They are a huge pain because they have a lot of bugs that have been around for a long time and have never been properly addressed by MS or ms developers like Adobe. They simply aren't interested. Just check the web and you will see that there are an awful lot of crash problems on the MS office, the Windows OSs as well as the Adobe stuff. I just reinstalled the CS4 programs on a fresh XP install and immediately I'm getting errors about harware acceleration when the system is installed on the same computer on a different disk and was not getting those errors on the other installation. The only reason I reinstalled the CS4 was because I wanted to have it working cleanly with a fresh installation of MS Office which was impossible to install/reinstall/fix on the other disk. Now the MS Office works fine, but CS4 does not... talk about problems This is the kind of user-friendly, modern and good looking that some people seem to expect from FreeBSD. :-) So, FreeBSD is not really any more complicated. The only time I really have problems with FreeBSD is when so;mething stupid happens, like a physical disc suicide (mbr sector gone) or if I did something accidentally like shutting down. That's exactly the point: The FreeBSD OS does what it is told to, it is completely predictable. If it acts strangely, there is a reason for it, e. g. faulty hardware, wrong command, missing library... In MICROS~1 land you often simply cannot tell if it is a defective installation, a virus, malware, or whatever, so you need to reinstall everything. I then try to learn what to do to fix things (have never lost any data - was able to recover it), how to clone, dump, restore. These are processes that are not simple and are not something that I have needed before. Hmmm... I think they are simple, but that's a very individual point of view. Just imagine how simple it is to use the cp command to copy files, and in opposite, how complicated it is to achieve the same using JCL. :-) Once you have understood a certain concept, you can rely on this knowledge, no matter which version of FreeBSD, which BSD or even which UNIX you are using. Things you've learned will serve you well everywhere, even in Linux. You won't find such an experience in MICROS~1 land. What is great about FreeBSD is that it is quite simple to set up, configure and use. Problems arise when one makes errors or there are incompatibilities caused by some installation conflicts and that seems to be the cause of most difficulties. As I said, this is completely correct if you consider the fact that the OS can only act as it is told. The list here is very hehlpful, especially for lazy guys like me. This list represents a very friendly and educated community. But to study the manual is beyond the capabilities of anyone ... sure, you can read it and study it... but you will forget anything you have read almost immediately if you are not applying what you are studying at once... there may
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
Hello David, thank you for your comments, David N wrote: 2009/10/29 Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr: === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offlineCompleted without error 00% 458 - # 2 Extended offlineAborted by host 70% 456 [...] If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. I have Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0 for the faulty drive. Where can I find a key fo reading all the other exciting numbers listed under the banner ``SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:'' ? On the hard-drive I use for my backups, a SAMSUNG HD501LJ, all the numbers I read looks fine to me, but I want to be sure. Thus it would be nice have a key for the table that `smartctl -a /dev/ad6' outputs. My two other drives, I use to store my OS and my data, are MAXTOR STM3250820AS (I do not have a RAID setup, it just happens that I have twin hard drives). They both have `Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0' but have positive `Raw_Read_Error_Rate', `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive `Reported_incorrect=119',`Current_Pending_Sector=4294967295' and `Offline_Uncorrectable=4294967295'. As looking for hints on google leads to many threads discussing hard-drive failures, I did not find what a pleasant description of the signification of these numbers. -- Kind regards, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported?
I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, others are banned by BIOS. Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Failure to connect USB Floppy drive
Lowell Gilbert wrote: That's your problem, then. You need to remove it and rebuild the ports that depended on it. This was mentioned in /usr/ports/UPDATING and /usr/src/UPDATING. I removed this port but still have this problem. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:24 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Yeah, but stupid errors are not. Nobody can make all the errors. anyway I goofed somewhere. but what is strange is that the only obvious problem I have is this flashplugin - no matter what I do, I cannot get it to work. But obviously, as others are running it, it's possible. I do recall that at some point there was an update for flash or firefox and I think I allowed Firefox to update it... so the problem just may be with Firefox itself. That may be possible. And I just don't feel like going through a reinstallation of Firefox again... that is probably the most lengthy and tortuous installation of anything except for OpenOffice.org (I only use the binaries for that) and my cpus are 2.4 or 3Ghz. That's the reason that I really prefer precompiled packages. If you think that you system is all messed up, delete /usr/local and start installing from packages. Pay attention to run the files needed from /etc/mtree to restore the hierarchy for the /usr/local subtree. Anyway, I've given up on flash... I did so from its beginning. :-) I don't go to youtube or the like so I don't really miss it... There's youtube-dl. :-) it's just annoying that I can't access some sites properly when using FreeBSD. That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported?
Do you know the card's chipset? The Atheros chips are working well, I have a TP-Link card with such.. Cheers herb langhans On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:08:14PM -0700, Yuri wrote: I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, others are banned by BIOS. Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is Intel 5100AGN WiFi card supported?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote: I have to change WiFi card, and my laptop only accepts certain types, others are banned by BIOS. Is this one: Intel 5100AGN supported? There was a commit to 9 CURRENT the other day r198429 so Current has some support for it Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
breakthru, maybe....
well, i just bought a used dell for my new DNS, mail, and web server. they snickered when i asked if they would pre-install freebsd... so it's up to me. this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? 80GB drive, so it is only a server. as well as a backup for critical audio and jpg files and stuff i don't want to lose. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. thanks in advance, gents, gary PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com |=== |=== |=== |=== | I am more bored than you could ever possibly be. Go back to work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. No. You can start the installation from the first CD which gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this means via Internet. You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, or the live FS. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. There is a DVD available. thanks in advance, gents, Good luck! PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. Manual operations. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you are on without Flash. Very useful for blind persons. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. In most cases where Flash is used, it is used to annoy users with animated advertisement (where previously animated GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The term quality does not refer to the amount of different media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what you said: largest possible audience. This includes all the exceptions, such as blind users who need a readout on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. You can, however, achieve this with Flash, if you embed it correctly and maybe offer an alternative (No 'Flash' version) of the content. The same is for using the alt= and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users do use: Windows and Flash. If this is present, fine. If not... NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE! :-) This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of nVidia: a) open up the devices and the drivers so the community can develop quality drivers b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer binary packages And of course, for the users: c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough about. According to Flash, why would you think it's okay to require a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary company to see PNG images, and know that this company does not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. The day that Flash is an open standard and can be used the same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. They have the change to make Flash a standard (by opening it). If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with some Windows and a prone-to-abuse plugin of Flash just to see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe JavaScript. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Nvidia 64 is a different animal. They have communicated why they didn't release such a driver, and my understanding is that most or all of those shortcomings have been remedied in 8 making discussion of a new amd64 binary possible now. It is also my understanding FreeBSD in one form or another has attempted to bridge to gap with adobe, and haven't received feedback and are basically ignored. Disdain could easily be interpreted by such a response. I'm unclear as to what you expect FreeBSD to do in such a situation. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bad sectors: how bad can it be
2009/10/29 Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr: Hello David, thank you for your comments, David N wrote: 2009/10/29 Michaël Grünewald michaelgrunew...@yahoo.fr: === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1 Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error # 1 Extended offline Completed without error 00% 458 - # 2 Extended offline Aborted by host 70% 456 [...] If your smartctl says it has used up a spare block (Reallocated_Sector_Ct), replace the drive ASAP. The drives will tend to get more and more bad blocks after the the first one is found, usually because the head is damaging the disks or the head itself is damaged, or other reasons. If its under warranty they usually replace is, talk to the manufacturer before hand. I have Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0 for the faulty drive. Where can I find a key fo reading all the other exciting numbers listed under the banner ``SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:'' ? On the hard-drive I use for my backups, a SAMSUNG HD501LJ, all the numbers I read looks fine to me, but I want to be sure. Thus it would be nice have a key for the table that `smartctl -a /dev/ad6' outputs. My two other drives, I use to store my OS and my data, are MAXTOR STM3250820AS (I do not have a RAID setup, it just happens that I have twin hard drives). They both have `Reallocated_Sector_Ct=0' but have positive `Raw_Read_Error_Rate', `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive `Reported_incorrect=119',`Current_Pending_Sector=4294967295' and `Offline_Uncorrectable=4294967295'. As looking for hints on google leads to many threads discussing hard-drive failures, I did not find what a pleasant description of the signification of these numbers. -- Kind regards, Michaël More information http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. `Seek_Error_Rate'. Additionally, the faulty drive has positive `Reported_incorrect=119',`Current_Pending_Sector=4294967295' and `Offline_Uncorrectable=4294967295'. It looks like your drive is trying to remap a bad block, but can't seem to do so. You may need to do a cold boot. Or force a read/write from that sector to tell the drive to try to remap it again. dd if=/dev/adX of=/dev/null skip=4294967295 count=1 (Read from the block#) Looks like your HDD with the positive Current_Pending_Sector and Offline_Uncorrectable with that is going bad. Once it manages to remap the block, your Reallocated_Sector_Ct will increase/decrease (depends on the counter), once it reaches the THRESH counter, its out of blocks to map. I would recommend you change HDD as soon as possible. Regards David N ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
[OT] Show nice columns of numers
Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:32:42 +0100, Bertram Scharpf li...@bertram-scharpf.de wrote: As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? What about ls -laFG /? It produces a nice output, too. :-) Or try this one: % primes 2 | tr \n \t Other famous listings include a ping run or make update; even make of some port could look nice. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On 2009-10-28 23:32, Bertram Scharpf wrote: As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? If you're not dead-set on numbers, somethings like the following works: while true; do; dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 2/dev/null | sha256; done -- Matthew Anthony Kolybabi (Mak) m...@kolybabi.com () ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org | Against proprietary extensions ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
Replying to myself and adding: % hexdump some large file looks interesting, too. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:25:53 +0100 Polytropon Polytropon free...@edvax.de replied: [snip] That's not FreeBSD's fault. If professional web designers need to optimize their content in order to prevent you from properly accessing it, it's their fault. I would complain to them, or just ignore them. Content that its creator doesn't want me to see is not worth seeing. You don't really believe that do you. Web creators attempt to make their sites accessible to the largest possible audience. Let's say, they *should*. I've seen (or not seen) web pages... for example one that doesn't even tell you which page you are on without Flash. Very useful for blind persons. It is probably cost prohibited, if even reasonably possible to make a site 100% viewable in every browsers (don't forget lynxs) available. In most cases where Flash is used, it is used to annoy users with animated advertisement (where previously animated GIFs had been used) or to implement something that simple as a list of further links (which can be done in HTML, in JavaScript, but shouldn't require a proprietary plugin). If a web page is viewable in lynx, it's high quality. The term quality does not refer to the amount of different media embedded, nor does it refer to the amount of different fonts, font sizes, colors and images used. It refers to what you said: largest possible audience. This includes all the exceptions, such as blind users who need a readout on a braille line, or a synthesized speech output. You can, however, achieve this with Flash, if you embed it correctly and maybe offer an alternative (No 'Flash' version) of the content. The same is for using the alt= and longdesc= attributes in HTML for images. Okay, I will be honest: Nobody does this today anymore. Well... I do... but I'm completely mad. Any intelligent business plan would dictate that they therefore concentrate on the largest possible audience. Let's say, the largest subset of the possible audience, that would be more correct. Web developers, as well as cretors of viruses and malware, rely on what the majority of PC users do use: Windows and Flash. If this is present, fine. If not... NO CONTENT FOR YOU! NEXT ONE! :-) This problem, like the nVidea 64 bit drivers, rests with FreeBSD. FreeBSD develops nVidia's GPUs and their drivers? I don't think so. For FreeBSD users there are two options on the side of nVidia: a) open up the devices and the drivers so the community can develop quality drivers b) develop quality drivers in-house and offer binary packages And of course, for the users: c) If it doesn't run on my OS, I don't buy it. FreeBSD's and X's sources are free, so it's easy to implement the drivers. Vice versa, it's not easy to develop drivers for a GPU that (FreeBSD's and X's) developers don't know enough about. According to Flash, why would you think it's okay to require a proprietary plugin that is developed in a closed way and hooks SO DEEPLY into the system that it's that hard to implement? And when you think about the benefits of having such a plugin... sometimes you are glad that you can easily TURN IT OFF. Again the analogy for images: Sometimes, their use makes a web page ugly as sin and unreadable. Then I just switch the images off in Opera. I don't need a plugin from an arbitrary company to see PNG images, and know that this company does not offer such a plugin for my platform, and that the plugin for viewing PNG images hooks deeply into the system's kernel so there is no 100% usable free alternative of it. The day that Flash is an open standard and can be used the same way as PNG images in a web page (and through the means of a web browser), I will be glad to review my attitude. You simply cannot expect any software developer to develop and maintain a product for what is in reality a niche OS. Well, I don't expect the software development company to do so. They have the change to make Flash a standard (by opening it). If they don't, it's okay, it is their right to do so. But then, a web developer can't expect me to buy an expensive PC with some Windows and a prone-to-abuse plugin of Flash just to see some advertisement or something else that every half-skilled web developer could easily implement with HTML, CSS and maybe JavaScript. HEY, GUYS I think you're forgetting one very important aspect of all this crap... the fault lies with ADOBE just look at the greedy sobs - they produce overpriced products (that, incidentally, they sell to the kChinese at ludicrous prices or repates and tolerate their illegal copying) which are notoriously buggy - they bloat the OSs and never really fix their errors they are the ones who should provide some
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:01 -0500, Mak Kolybabi m...@kolybabi.com wrote: If you're not dead-set on numbers, somethings like the following works: while true; do; dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 2/dev/null | sha256; done ^ Without this ; it works (tested: sh, bash) - and looks nice, too. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Bind Sendmail to an IP address
Hi, I have a Freebsd 7.2 installation and using Sendmail for the SMTP service. This server has two public interfaces and different IP addresses. I need to have sendmail configured so that the outbound emails are sent using a certain IP address (SPF rules). I have tried the following without any success: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=x.y.z.i')dnl Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: this dell was running losedows, vista, so i assume it has some kind of sound card. That's an interesting conditional implication thought. :-) it has 256MN ATI X1300 PRo video. is this enough to power my new [year-old] 20.1 widescreen display? Depends on your display's dpi, but should be okay. so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? true, i haven't had to install freebsd by-hand from CDROMs for years, but if remory servs, more than one CD is required. No. You can start the installation from the first CD which gives you basically the OS and some packages (e. g. Linux ABI). Everything else can be installed via ports / packages, this means via Internet. You can even use the boot only CD to start the installation, or the live FS. i DO have blank DVD-RW discs ... if we've got a DVD distro somewhere. There is a DVD available. thanks in advance, gents, Good luck! PS: the breakthru is that i'll be doing everything with my one hand/arm. Manual operations. :-) LOLOLOL. indeed, indeed thanks, Polyt. later on, gary -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: gnu tar checkpoint variable expansion
Try this:
/usr/local/gtar-1.22/bin/tar -cf - ${WHATTOBACKUP} \
--checkpoint-action='echo=Checkpoint #%u' \
--checkpoint-action=exec=/usr/local/scripts/check_disk_usage.sh $
{DIR}
The use of single quotes prohibits the expansion of environment
variables. Use double qoutes instead.
Thanks Trond, this did the trick.
Jay
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Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: win 7 dual boot
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 23:11:15 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
/etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g
instead of via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems
{I am on RC2 right now}]?
I have FreeBSD papi 8.0-RC1 and fusefs works perfectly via mount fstab.
Did you replace the original mount_ntfs with ntfs-3g like bellow?
cd /sbin
mv -f mount_ntfs mount_ntfs-kern
ln -s /usr/local/bin/ntfs-3g mount_ntfs
After that, any call to mount_ntfs will grant RW to the disk.
--
Mario Lobo
http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br
FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99,7% winedows FREE)
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I'm sure you've heard this before...
I want to turn the disks off. I sometimes run large jobs and want to switch down the drives. On some IBM blades, I have FBSD 6.1, on another machine I am using 7.2. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
Why not Beastie smashing avitars of the PC and MAC dudes from the Apple commercials in the US? That would be sweet! Those commercials are pretty funny, and just keep getting better! Marketing GENIUS' from Apple! Which BSD core did they borrow? Is it Free or Open? - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: Mak Kolybabi m...@kolybabi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed Oct 28 17:49:09 2009 Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:43:01 -0500, Mak Kolybabi m...@kolybabi.com wrote: If you're not dead-set on numbers, somethings like the following works: while true; do; dd if=/dev/urandom bs=64 count=1 2/dev/null | sha256; done ^ Without this ; it works (tested: sh, bash) - and looks nice, too. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: I'm sure you've heard this before...
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:12:06 -0400 Henry Olyer henry.ol...@gmail.com wrote: I want to turn the disks off. I sometimes run large jobs and want to switch down the drives. On some IBM blades, I have FBSD 6.1, on another machine I am using 7.2. If they're ATA drives you can use my ATAidle utility from sysutils/ataidle. In FreeBSD 7 you can also use the spindown command that's been added to atacontrol(8). -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be specific. Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on every computer out there. Integer Sequences database located here: fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) sed awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the something like the following. # For bourne style shells. for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line sleep .02 ;done The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing might be needed but that's up to you. Best of luck. -- Wed Oct 28 22:52:47 2009 -0500 jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03, jhell@ wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be specific. Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on every computer out there. Integer Sequences database located here: fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) sed awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the something like the following. # For bourne style shells. for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line sleep .09 ;done The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing might be needed but that's up to you. Best of luck. For extra added effect make things a little bit larger. xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 80x30+0+0 -bw 0 -T Your favorite title here. -- Wed Oct 28 23:10:31 2009 -0500 jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Bind Sendmail to an IP address
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have a Freebsd 7.2 installation and using Sendmail for the SMTP service. This server has two public interfaces and different IP addresses. I need to have sendmail configured so that the outbound emails are sent using a certain IP address (SPF rules). I have tried the following without any success: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=x.y.z.i')dnl Any help or suggestions would be greatly appriciated. When Sendmail relays messages to another server it acts as the `client' for that server. So you have to use CLIENT_OPTIONS() instead of the DAEMON_OPTIONS() you are using now: CLIENT_OPTIONS(`Addr=a.b.c.d')dnl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: flashplugin
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:04:24 + Freminlins freminl...@gmail.com wrote: I must admit I gave up ever getting Flash to work RELIABLY on FreeBSD a long time ago. It's just too hard, too much work, and not worth the misery of installing heaps of crud just to get a flipping browser plugin working unreliably. Some time ago I installed the windows version of Firefox and Flash under wine and I've found it pretty reliable. I don't use it all the time just on the small number of sites where flash is essential. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Multiple PostgreSQL 8.4 instances in FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 Jails
Hello List, I want to setup 5 postgreSQL 8.4 servers in separate jails on a amd64 FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 machine while searching the web for someone that has done this before I found this: my question is this... is this still relevant on FreeBSD 8.0 RC2(amd64) and postgreSQL 8.4 The following was taken from this link http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org/1244846.html Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub writes: You've all lost me here ... what exactly is the problem? You can't run multiple instances of PostgreSQL on the same machine (even in chroot or jail, even without TCP/IP support) without changing the port number in postgresql.conf. PostgreSQL creates shared memory segments with keys based on the port number, so separate instances will try to create and use the same segments if configured to use the same port number. PostgreSQL works under FreeBSD 4.x jails without any modifications, so how is PostgreSQL itself currently broken? It seems to me that the problem is with FreeBSD 5.x's jail side of things, if the same daemon runs fine under 4.x, but, nto under 5.x ... PostgreSQL has always had this problem, both on 4.x and 5.x. A hack was put in place last November to work around it, but it still exists, and while it may now be possible (with 8.0) for multiple postmasters to run on the same machine, it is also still possible for malicious code in one jail to crash postmasters in other jails. The underlying problem is that FreeBSD does not have separate SHM namespaces in each jail, but, as has already been pointed out, that problem is fairly hard to fix. Patching PostgreSQL to use something else than SysV shared memory is easier and will benefit other OSes as well. DES Sam Fourman Jr. Fourman Networks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
How but some ascii art that animates Beastie walking across the screen or something? A little creativity? - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: jhell jh...@dataix.net Cc: Bertram Scharpf li...@bertram-scharpf.de; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed Oct 28 22:14:09 2009 Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03, jhell@ wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be specific. Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on every computer out there. Integer Sequences database located here: fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) sed awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the something like the following. # For bourne style shells. for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line sleep .09 ;done The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing might be needed but that's up to you. Best of luck. For extra added effect make things a little bit larger. xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 80x30+0+0 -bw 0 -T Your favorite title here. -- Wed Oct 28 23:10:31 2009 -0500 jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: win 7 dual boot
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:11, aryeh.friedman@ wrote:
I am about to go out and buy windows 7 to replace my vista partition... when
I installed vista I had to do some boot manager tricks (both before and
after install)... namely I had to allow windows to nuke my mbr then use
EasyBCD to remake it in such a way that vista would still find it's magic
bytes in the mbr... does anyone know if win 7 has any similar issues and/or
any other weirdness in reguards to dual booting?
Completely side question I use sysutils/fusefs-ntfs to mount my vista
partition do I need to change anything in my /etc/rc.d/* hierachy and/or
/etc/fstab after installing win 7 (I use a direct call to ntfs-3g instead of
via the mount patch [which doesn't work on 8.0-XXX it seems {I am on RC2
right now}]?
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You could attempt some trickery with grub if you have the option of
using it and if you are installing Win/7 to its own drive. Here is the
specs.
Install FreeBSD on your first drive ;) the way it should be...
Install GRUB from ports or packages whatever you prefer.
Edit your menu.lst file to contain something like:
title WINDO~7 ;)
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
rootnoverify (hd1,0) (hd0,0)
chainloader +1
Now reboot into your bios and turn off your FreeBSD drive and your
secondary drive should remain and to Windows 7 as long as it is staying
along the same lines as Windows XP will just accept your secondary as your
primary drive C: and just install its MBR to that drive.
After your done reboot into your BIOS turn your FreeBSD drive back on.
Tada! you now have a bootable system where grub swaps your drives around
for you and confuses Windows 7 into thinking its the primary C: drive and
you can upgrade without touching the first disks MBR.
I have this setup running on the machine I am writing this email from and
for fail-over sake if my FreeBSD disk takes a hike windows will pick right
back up without even noticing the first disk being gone. I have also
disabled my FreeBSD disk in windows devices just to be sure that nothing
happens to it as a cause of windows.
Anyway... Hope this gives you just another option to consider.
Best of luck.
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Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 16:08, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:02:37PM +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:48:46 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: so: what is the URL to download the 8.0-PRE freebsd? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ wait, i thought the duo core is 64bits. still 32? This: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ is indeed 64bit. Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? thanks. gary ps i knew the amd was an intel clone on the 32-bit level; not sure about the 64-bit chips... . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix http://jottings.thought.org http://transfinite.thought.org The 7.31a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:37, Ggatten@ wrote: How but some ascii art that animates Beastie walking across the screen or something? A little creativity? - Original Message - From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org To: jhell jh...@dataix.net Cc: Bertram Scharpf li...@bertram-scharpf.de; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wed Oct 28 22:14:09 2009 Subject: Re: [OT] Show nice columns of numers On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03, jhell@ wrote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:32, lists@ wrote: Hi, my company is going to shoot a TV spot that will show me at work. The first thing my desktop will contain is some BSD/FreeBSD logo. As it will be a movie, not a photograph, I would like to have huge columns of numbers running over the screen or at least one window. Does somebody know a programm that produces such nice output? Thanks in advance. Bertram Nice output so far. I like seeing all these examples Polytropon's to be specific. Here is another one for you that is a little unique that you might not see on every computer out there. Integer Sequences database located here: fetch http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/stripped.gz Put some real previous work back to work!. ;) sed awk that file to your liking to change commas spaces or such around so it can be spilled out to a terminal then toil the end result with the something like the following. # For bourne style shells. for line in `zcat stripped.gz`; do echo $line sleep .09 ;done The above command on that file will show you the reason why some awk'ing might be needed but that's up to you. Best of luck. For extra added effect make things a little bit larger. xterm -fn 12x24 -geometry 80x30+0+0 -bw 0 -T Your favorite title here. Load up logo_saver.ko on a VM, record the output with XVidCap on the hosting machine play it back with mplayer -vo aa. ;) loop until happy. -- Thu Oct 29 00:17:03 2009 -0500 jhell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Multiple PostgreSQL 8.4 instances in FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 Jails
Sam Fourman Jr. schrieb: I want to setup 5 postgreSQL 8.4 servers in separate jails on a amd64 FreeBSD 8.0 RC2 machine while searching the web for someone that has done this before I found this: my question is this... is this still relevant on FreeBSD 8.0 RC2(amd64) and postgreSQL 8.4 There seems to be a problem if postgres is running with the same user id in all jails. Dan Langille got it running a while ago. Please have a look at his (great) site: http://www.freebsddiary.org/jail-multiple.php Uwe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: breakthru, maybe....
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:00:57 -0700, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 04:44:42PM -0700, Kurt Buff wrote: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/8.0/ Yes! but i bought the *Intel* 2-duo-core or whatever; not the AMD (aDvanced micro Devices) chip. Are these both bit by bit == ?? i mean, exactly--software-wise, the same?? That's ok. Kurt is right. You can use the amd64 release on Intel Core2 Duo CPUs too. I believe this Wikipedia page will help a bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: lang/gcc43 and lang/gcc44 installation procedures broken after updates
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:19:08 + b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com
wrote:
On 10/28/09, Scott Bennett benn...@cs.niu.edu wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:28:51 + b. f. bf1...@googlemail.com
wrote:
Scott Bennet wrote:
...
With one exception, I do not alter the
contents of the ports tree manually.
...
I have not made alterations to any ports in the ports tree by hand. Any
changes that may have occurred would have to have happened during runs of
portmaster, portupgrade, or make(1) (as in make deinstall make
reinstall
...
I resorted to a portsnap fetch extract in case something
in my ports tree *had* gotten screwed up somehow.
Right, I wasn't suggesting it was necessarily due to local changes to
the Ports tree, although on the face of it that was possible, but that
it may also have failed because, once in a while, binaries and other
files belonging to the base system or ports get corrupted, and
malfunction. This is usually due to hardware problems, user error,
and occasionally, an OS or third-party software bug. The lang/gcc4?
ports are lengthy and demanding builds, and are among the most likely
to fail if such problems exist.
Yes, they are heavy-duty constructions. perl also tends to be huge
and complex.
...
The only change I made was indicated by a comment that showed where
a lot of lines were deleted. If you really want all that junk, which
contained no error messages, I do still have it and can send it to you.
Nothing was rearranged into a different order, however.
You may want to save it, so that it will be available if anyone
decides to try to track down the problem.
I'll hang onto it for a while, but will eventually get rid of it
if no one wants it before I get around to deleting it in a few weeks
or so.
I do not have MAKEFLAGS set when running portmaster or portupgrade.
If a particular port decides internally to run a parallel make, it appears
to do it as -j2. It appears that the lang/gcc?? ports work this way, too.
If parallel builds are not disabled in a port Makefile, or by you, and
you have a multiple-cpu or multiple-core machine, then
ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk uses:
# Multiple make jobs support
.if defined(DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS) || defined(MAKE_JOBS_UNSAFE)
_MAKE_JOBS= #
.else
.if defined(MAKE_JOBS_SAFE) || defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS)
MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER?= `${SYSCTL} -n kern.smp.cpus`
_MAKE_JOBS= -j${MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER}
I figured it must do something of the sort. The CPU is an old 3.4 GHz
P4 Prescott, so it has two logical processors, so MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER gets set
to 2. Given the handbook recommendations and my own observations, it seems
to me that the above method should actually multiply the value of
kern.smp.cpus by at least 2.5 for best performance. For CPUs on separate
cores, 3 is the recommended multiplier, but where HTT logical CPUs are
involved a multiplier somewhat lower than that is in order. On the Prescott
chips, 2.5 seems to work very well, so when I set MAKEFLAGS myself, I set
it to 5, which is 2.5 * kern.smp.scpus.
.if defined(FORCE_MAKE_JOBS)
BUILD_FAIL_MESSAGE+=You have chosen to use multiple make jobs
(parallelization) for all ports. This port was not tested for this
setting. Please remove FORCE_MAKE_JOBS and retry the build before
reporting the failure to the maintainer.
.endif
.endif
.endif
to do a parallel build. Since this feature is relatively new, and
people are occasionally finding that it breaks port builds, then it is
an obvious thing to try disabling in a case like this, where you have
a demanding build, and some evidence that things are being done out of
the proper order. In the future, you can disable this feature for a
build by setting DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes on the make command line, in
the build environment, or in /etc/make.conf, e.g.:
.if${.CURDIR:M*/usr/ports/lang/gcc44*}
DISABLE_MAKE_JOBS=yes
.endif
portmaster long since created a backup package and deinstalled the
ports in question.
Ok. I don't use portmaster often, but portupgrade will often restore
an old installation of the port from the backup package automatically
after a failure.
...
I cannot begin to imagine why
it worked this way, but refused to work under portmaster or portupgrade.
Occasionally a port exposes a bug in portmaster or portupgrade. This
may be such a case, especially since Doug Barton made some recent
changes to portmaster. But the most common reason for failure is that
many ports, to enable easy maintenance, use sloppy flags like
LDFLAGS=-L${LOCALBASE}/lib or CPPFLAGS=-I${LOCALBASE}/include, that
may lead them to link against the older, already installed versions of
themselves, or to include old versions of their own headers if they
are present in the system. So it's always safer to deinstall a port
_before_ attempting to build it, or to build the port in a clean
sandbox as is done on many package-building clusters. portmaster and
portupgrade choose not to do this, in
Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package?
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 05:11:54PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:14:17 am Frank Shute wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 08:45:59PM -0200, Gonzalo Nemmi wrote: On Tuesday 27 October 2009 7:31:34 pm Jerry McAllister wrote: [snippage] So, that leaves personal preference as the only real reason for wanting to replace it. Let me get this straight .. that means that every Linux distro, NetBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFlyBSD are all doing it just out of personal preference? I'll speculate as to the reasons: Come on .. there was no need to speculate .. you have the whole internet at your finger tips ;) Heh, I forgot about google ;) NetBSD: probably wanted something smaller footprint-wise. OpenBSD: wanted something more secure. No, not really ... OpenBSD: A few months ago, I had to dive into the configuration of sendmail to make a very small change. It turns out I spent almost an hour trying to make sense out of a maze of files that were plain unreadable. Even the slightest changes would cause me to stand a couple minutes thinking, just trying to make sure I really wanted to make that change. ... You'll find whole thing here: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20081112084647 Dragonfly: started afresh, so could replace it without many headaches. By all means no .. not at all .. they didn't even started afresh .. Anyways .. You'll find the reasons here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/kernel/2007-03/msg00060.html Hey, again and again people are complaining about why sendmail is in base and why not postfix, etc. We keep saying that we do need a mail delivery/transport agent, for stuff such as periodic, cron, etc. But that doesn't mean that we need sendmail. Actually a much simpler mailer would do: one that just delivers locally (and if possible, remote) and does nothing else. ... and here: http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/submit/2008-02/msg0.html Hi, corecode@ announced his DragonFly mail agent in [1] as a small, simple and clean implementation of a mailer in the base. The goal of dma was not to replace a feature complete MTA like sendmail or postfix. The basic intention was to be able to deliver mails from cron, periodic etc to local users. I enhanced dma and added remote delivery and some other features needed for works-out-of-the-box and to keep users happy :) The list of all features follows: ... Yet still, DragonFlyBSD as well as OpenBSD are in the procces of fully moving to their respective mailers, unlike NetBSD which already moved to Postfix. RedHat: poor package management made it a pain to upgrade. That only accounts for only one distribution and I really don't know what you mean with package management because they have a lot of them ... I'm aiming at RPM. RedHat used to use Sendmail; I think Debian uses Exim but uses apt. Don't know about Suse. My main point though was that all of them had reasons to dump Sendmail. FreeBSD: ? I can't think of a good reason why FreeBSD should get rid of it. Saying that, it would be neat if it was taken out of base and replaced with something minimal that could cope with the demands of cron and not much else. Then the user is expected to install a MTA of their choice out of ports. That would mean less code in base and fewer security advisories. Yup .. I fully agree with you ... I just cancelled my freebsdmall.com FreeBSD suscription in order to use that money to buy OpenBSD releases .. so my money gets used to finance the development of OpenSMTP and other milestone technologies. They've earned it :) Thanks for the informative post Gonzalo. I like the look of the Dragonfly approach (although I don't use it). Perhaps in FreeBSD 10* somebody might work to incorporate one or the other (DMA or OpenSMTP) and strip out Sendmail and leave it in ports where it belongs. I can see that having real benefits in licensing, footprint and usability. jerry Best Regards Gonzalo Nemmi Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
