Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 03:47:25PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Actually, daemon is a Latinization of the Greek daimon. Daimon is pronounced something more like die-mahn, but (being from the Latin) daemon is prounounced dee-mohn. Unix tradition holds that daemon is pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like dee-muhn by English speakers). I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies. From Latin Pronunciation Demystified: http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf ae like English ai in aisle Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin. On the other hand, I've always pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:29:37AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 08:47:30AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies. From Latin Pronunciation Demystified: http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf ae like English ai in aisle Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin. On the other hand, I've always pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons. Without downloading a PDF and reading it . . . do you know what Latin variant is used in that document? No, without download and reading the PDF I wouldn't know what Latin variant is used in that document. :-) Since it was only a 39K file, there was no reason for me to worry about downloading it. Is it classical, church, or scientifically bastardized Latin (for instance)? I'm curious. Yes, to all of the above. It has a chart showing a few pronunciations including classical which it describes as the reconstructed ancient pronunciation. It even includes an English method which is basically pronouncing Latin words as if they were English words. I know that in at least some contexts the Latin pronunciation is more dee than dai for daemon, and that dee is the pronunciation generally considered correct for server processes in Unix systems. Beyond that, it's entirely possible there are other pronunciations of which I am not aware -- though I'm pretty sure day is solely an artifact of people trying to figure out how to pronounce terms that contain the ae (or the æ ligature) without actually trying to look it up. The above document describes ae in classical pronunciation as like ai in aisle and in all other pronunciations like Latin ē. It describes Latin ē in all pronunciations, except the English method, as like a in plate. Going by the above the first syllable of daemon could be pronounced like day. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stale lockfile
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 11:55:56PM +0200, Jos Chrispijn wrote: Can someone tell me what this file exactly is for? Got the message 'Stale lock file found. Removed' running 'portupgrade -a'. When portupgrade is working correctly the lock file(s) should be removed after the database updates. Did this by any chance start after upgrading Ruby? That's when my portupgrade stopped deleting the lock files, and I've seen one post on the ports mailing list mentioning similar symptoms after Ruby was upgraded. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Math/Quote (Was: Flamewar ( was: Sponsoring FreeBSD))
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 07:48:40PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: $417/month = $5004/year. You believe he will pay for 4 years? This thread is starting to remind me of a quote: You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit the views, which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering. -- Doctor Who -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Sponsoring FreeBSD
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 06:44:28PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Do you know who Boris is? checked a FreeBSD site - he is a listed as a developer. but how does it compare to what i said about logo of main webpage and improving website. What I can gather from this thread is that he, as a developer, might possibly have the right to speak on behalf of FreeBSD in regards to a sponsorship offer. On the other hand, you, who are neither a developer nor a core team member, do not. Not only that, the information is his reply is both polite and accurate where yours is not. From Boris's e-mail: All financial contributors for the last three years are listed here: http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/donate/sponsors.shtml Your reply to that was: they request small logo/advert on main webpage. that's the difference. And, of course, after rechecking the important bit from the original message: What we ask for in return for our sponsorships is a short mentioning on the site somewhere with a link to our website. It's obvious you misinterpreted it. They ask for a short mentioning **on the site somewhere** which is in no way, shape, or form the same thing as on the main webpage. In another reply in this thread you replied to someone saying: again - this is your opinion. and IMHO resulting from you replying faster than reading and understanding. You might want to go back and reread the original sponsorship offer post. It sounds like you are the one replying faster than you are reading or understanding. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: slim(Simple LogIn Manager) problem
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: If I disable slim in /etc/ttys and start it via /usr/local/etc/rc.d/slim I can sign on and everything works except the mouse, and in terminal sessions I start my path is wrong. Okay, I think I figured out where the path I'm getting when using slim is coming from. I never noticed that slim.conf has a default path setting. In my slim.conf I have: default_path./:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/bin It would be nice to have it honor the path in /etc/login.conf but it's simple enough to set the path in slim.conf to the same. Now, if I can just figure out why my mouse won't work when I sign on via slim, but works if I start X via startx ... Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Returning User With Filesystem/Memory Tuning Questions
FreeBSD Fans, I think I've just about talked myself into coming back for another try. I've been a Linux user since the 1.x kernel days. I've tried switching my home desktop box to FreeBSD a couple of times now. The first time around was mainly to give ZFS a try. After getting tired of ZFS related crashes I ended up going back to Linux. After ZFS progressed a bit, and I had taken lots of notes on the tuning needed to make ZFS relatively happy, I tried again. That time around I got ZFS working fairly well but eventually got fed up with the lack of a stable flash plugin. On the one hand, I hate sites that try to force flash upon users. On the other hand, if someone sends me a link to an amusing sounding YouTube video or I want to view the radar map at Weather.com, etc., it's a pain to be among the flash impaired. I've been browsing the mailing lists from time to time and it sounds like flash is working well enough for the limited times I'd use it, so I'm considering giving it one more try. With any of the following questions any suggestions, including RTSM(Read The Smeggin Manual) suggestions, are welcomed. With RTSM suggestions, they are even more welcomed if they include which manual and section to read. :-) First, to ZFS or not to ZFS, that is the question. While I like some of the features ZFS has to offer, I realize it may be overkill for my needs. The main thing I'm looking for is the ability to combine all the space available on both hard drives of my home desktop box. One drive is 120GB and the other is 250GB. Well, actually, I think those are marketing gigabytes. I'd be happy with either having all the space combined and available to the root filesystem, or a separate UFS root filesystem and the remaining space available for everything else. The last time around I set up root on UFS + /var, /usr, /home, /tmp, etc., on ZFS using instructions which I think were located at: http://wiki.FreeBSD.org/JeremyChadwick/FreeBSD_7.x_on_a_ZFS_pool though that page appears to no longer exist. Could something like gvinum or gconcat be used to achieve the above or should I go with ZFS? The box in question is a hyperthreaded Pentium 4 with 3GB of RAM. If ZFS is a good choice, could someone point me towards the current tuning recommendations for ZFS? If I remember correctly, the last time around I had some occasional memory related application crashes. For example I had pan crash a few times trying to open a large newsgroups. At the times of the crashes it appeared there was still plenty of free RAM and swap space was never even touched. I know FreeBSD doesn't blindly allocate memory like Linux does, but I would like to tune things to take full advantage of my available memory. I searched Google and tweaked some settings, though I forget which ones, which helped but didn't completely eliminate the crashes. What settings should I be looking at to tune to make the best use of my 3GB of memory and swap space. The last time around I set up quite a bit of swap space and it didn't appear to ever be touched. I want to keep swapping to a minimum but would prefer to have a little swapping going on than to have a program crash trying to allocate memory when there's both RAM and swap space available. Taking the above filesystem question into consideration, and wanting a stable flash plugin, which FreeBSD version should I be going with? I forget what I was running last time, but RELENG_7 sounds familiar. Is the 7.1-BETA2 iso recent enough or do I need to go with some flavor of STABLE or CURRENT? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Returning User With Filesystem/Memory Tuning Questions
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Roland Smith wrote: Application crashed can also be due to bad hardware, especially memory. Make sure that you rule out hardware troubles before diving into the software. I don't think it was hardware related, but it's a possibility. Jogging my memory a bit more I think the first program I had memory allocation problems was tin. Fetching headers from even a semi-large newsgroup would cause tin to crash. I forget the exact error messages but they were something along the lines of not being able to allocate the needed amount of memory. At the times of the failures there appeared to be available RAM with swap space completely untouched. The errors occurred at about the same point in fetching the headers each time. After much Googling I tried adjusting the following: kern.maxdsiz kern.dfldsiz kern.maxssiz which greatly improved things. But, I adjusted them using examples of values I found on the net without really understanding what I was doing. This time around I want to learn how to tweak whatever settings need to be tweaked to best use my available memory. Are the above settings what I should be adjusting and/or are there others? I know it's probably impossible to give advice on exactly what to tune without knowing the exact errors I was seeing. But some general memory tuning advice might help until I'm able to reinstall and try things out. P.S. I've switched from tin to pan which seems to be much less of a memory hog, so that helps quite a bit. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Returning User With Filesystem/Memory Tuning Questions
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: For what it's worth, I've been reading newsgroups with more than 5000 messages in Gnus, a newsreader that runs inside GNU Emacs, and its memory usage has *never* reached 512 MB, I doubt I'd have a problem with newsgroups that small with either tin or pan. How well does Gnus handle groups with 1,000,000 to 2,000,000+ messages? My ISP dropped it's NNTP service a while back and I ended up signing up with GigaNews. They have 240 day retention for binary groups and 1,990 day retention for text groups. So, many of the group archives on their servers are huge. Granted I don't need to retrieve all the headers for a particular group, but it's not unusual for me to be browsing a group with a header count in the five to six digit range. so if you want help to switch from the aging tin reader to something that is still maintained developed actively, I will be glad to help. I finally gave up on tin a while back and switched to pan. It seems to be less of a memory hog with larger groups than tin was. I prefer TUI based programs over GUI based programs, but I think pan is worth putting up with the GUI interface. It handles large groups with multi-part binary posts fairly well and makes good use of the ten NNTP connections GigaNews gives me. Chances are I might not have any problems with pan under FreeBSD. I might be misremembering, it may have only been tin I had problems with. But it wouldn't hurt to learn a little more about FreeBSD memory tunable settings even if I end up not needing them. Well, I guess I'll probably need at least a few if I go with ZFS this time around. I prefer vim over emacs but might take a look at Gnus. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FreeBSD SLIM Theme?
FreeBSD Fans, Does anyone know of any FreeBSD SLIM(SImple Login Manager) themes? I stumbled across one web site with such a theme one day while I was at work. I figured I'd be able to find it from home via Google, but I haven't been able to locate it since then. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD SLIM Theme?
Brad, On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Brad Pitney wrote: only one I know of is http://slim.berlios.de/themes01.php - also has a Themes howto While there's definitely the possibility that I'm overlooking it, I've checked that page several times, both before posting to the list and after seeing your e-mail, and I don't see a FreeBSD theme listed there. I've read over the howto and while it seems simple enough I, sadly, have the artistic ability of a turnip. Be it with pencil or mouse I do good to draw stick figures. :-) Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: turn on beastie beside the 'Welcome to FreeBSD' boot optionsmenu
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Oliver Fromme wrote: How would you like this one? http://www.secnetix.de/olli/FreeBSD/vloader/screenshot5.png (It's work in progress. See the latest FreeBSD Quarterly Status Report.) When I recently came across info on the graphical boot loader project I secretly hoped that either the project would fail, or that at least the graphical boot loader would be optional. The text based boot loader and text based installer are to of the things I really like about FreeBSD. But, after seeing the above screenshot I think I might be able to get used to the boot loader pictured in that screenshot. The screenshot I came across with I first discovered the project recently: http://www.secnetix.de/olli/FreeBSD/vloader/screenshot.png looks nice, but is just a bit too modern for my tastes. I know, I'm old fashioned. I still prefer programs with text based user interfaces. I'm typing this e-mail in Alpine and my editor of choice is vim. Oh, and I work as an operator in an IBM mainframe shop where most of our online applications are still 3270 text terminal based. Now days we use terminal emulator software on PCs instead of actual 3179 terminals, but the apps are still text based, and still work fine on the few 3179 terminals we have left. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux for freebsd admins
Ian, On Fri, 11 Jul 2008, Ian Lord wrote: I have to install a linux machine and don't know which distribution to take. I tried debian ubuntu and fedora and didn't like them. I want: - A basic install (not 900 packages installed by default - No gui, I like my flashing cursor - an equivalent of ports. I want to easily compile my ports I don't like prebuilt package. Want to retrieve them by cvs. - an equivalent to portupgrade. Could you tell me which distribution you are using when you have no choice and need to go to linux ? Well, sort of. In my case I did have a choice. I just recently switched my home PC from Linux to FreeBSD after having been a Linux user since the 1.xx kernel, not to mention the i486, days. I've tried many Linux distros over the years, some source based and some binary package based. From the above it sounds like you want a source based system. I've tried several. I ran Gentoo for a few years before I got fed up with it and moved on. I think of the completely source based distros I've tried my favorite was SourceMage. As others have suggested, CRUX or ArchLinux might be good choices for your requirements. Although I think the CRUX ports system uses rsync instead of CVS to update the ports tree. I forget what Arch uses. If you don't want a GUI installer, you can't get much less GUI than CRUX. Quite a bit of the installation process is done by hand. One first uses fdisk and mkfs to partition and format their hard drive, mounts the partitions, then runs the setup script to install packages. After the packages are installed, one exits the installer, chroots into the new system, edits fstab, rc.conf, etc., by hand, compiles/installs a custom kernel, then installs a boot loader. I ran CRUX for a while followed by ArchLinux for a while and liked them both. The Linux distro I was running just before switching my home PC to FreeBSD was Debian, and I think overall it's the one I liked best. It has a text based installer, and one can install a minimal system via the installer, then install other needed packages later. Although it is binary package based rebuilding packages from source isn't too difficult, once one gets the hang of it. There were a few Debian packages I found the need to rebuild. For example, the ffmpeg package available from debian-multimedia.org has mmx disabled. Enabling mmx roughly triples it's performance. My notes on rebuilding the package can be found at: http://www.RawFedDogs.net/DebianFfmpegMMX.html Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I install openoffice from packages?
/Andreas, On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Andreas Davour wrote: After fooling around a bit with online installs I downloaded the package and installed manually. It does complain about other stuff not being there. Isn't packages supposed to work like port and pull in requirements automagically? Note: I have 6.3 machine, not 7.0-STABLE so I tried the 6.2 directory. /Andreas I install everything from ports so haven't played around with packages very much. I'm sure the FreeBSD team makes sure all official packages have correct dependencies set. But, they have no control over unofficial packages others have put together. That's one drawback to using unofficial packages. When I installed OpenOffice from the ports tree, there were a few packages it depended on with licensing restrictions, like diablo-jdk for example, that had to be manually downloaded and put in /usr/ports/distfiles before the ports in question could be built. That might have something to do with there being no official binary OpenOffice package available. Even if you don't install from ports you could cd to the /usr/ports/editors/openoffice.org-??? directory for the version of OpenOffice you installed and issue: make missing which should give you a list of missing dependencies that need to be installed. You could then install via either ports or packages depending on what you prefer, and what's available. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I install openoffice from packages?
/Andreas, On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Andreas Davour wrote: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: make missing Nifty! I wasn't aware of that option. Very useful. Thanks. I just recently became aware of it myself. Try: man ports and you might discover several useful make targets you might not have heard of before. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do I install openoffice from packages?
/Andreas, On Wed, 9 Jul 2008, Andreas Davour wrote: I've tried and it just wont work. It look like the packages don't reside on the server but I can't change ftp.freebsd.org so how do I get it? From the Googling I did on the subject recently there is no official binary packages for OpenOffice available. It is available in the ports tree. The following thread: http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=21 on DæmonForums.org has a link to a site: ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/FreeBSD/2.4.0/7.0-STABLE/amd64/ With binary packages available for various versions of FreeBSD. Well, the thread pointed to the i386 packages, but the amd64 packages were easy enough to find. I had no trouble installing OpenOffice 3 from ports on my i686 box, other than it taking 8+ hours to compile and my PC locked up shortly after it completed. I thought it had locked up during the compile but eventually discovered that it had completed the install successfully before locking up. I'm still getting the kinks out of my ZFS tweaks. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user with a possible ZFS problem
Kris, On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: You may be running out of memory. Increase kmem_size until it goes away. I use 1500M on my systems, which are stable. Yes, ZFS is a memory hog. Boy, ZFS sure does sound like it's earned the title of memory hog. Oddly I'd been running for about a week without problems, and shuffled some large files around during that week, and right before I got your e-mail I had another hang. I tried increasing the kmem_size setting and was rewarded with a panic on reboot. I already had it set at 512M. A little Googling tells me I'm going to have to compile a custom kernel to increase it beyond that. Oh well, it's about time I learned how to do that anyway. I've compiled many a custom Linux kernel. I started using Linux in the 1.xx kernel days before there were loadable kernel modules so almost everything involved a kernel recompile. I've read over the FreeBSD kernel compile docs quite a while back but will need to go over them again. Anyway, thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try after a little research and a little, or a lot of, compiling. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: upgrading portupgrade
Zbigniew, On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: In order to upgrade portupgrade, is it enough to run make, make install make clean? If you already have portupgrade installed and tried the above technique I think you'd get an error at the end of make install saying the port is already installed. You'd need to use either make reinstall or make deinstall followed by make reinstall. I've been using portupgrade so long I forget which. I am not familiar with make but something tells me I won't be able to upgrade portupgrade by means of portupgrade ;) I've never had any trouble upgrading portupgrade via portupgrade. Boy, that's almost a tongue twister. :-) If there's a change to portupgrade that would require a special upgrade procedure, it will be noted in /usr/ports/UPDATING. Earlier today I switched my home PC from portupgrade to portupgrade-devel to try out some new features just added to the devel version. All that was involved was: portupgrade -fo ports-mgmt/portupgrade-devel portupgrade Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New user with a possible ZFS problem
FreeBSD Fans, Okay, I'm not exactly a new user. I've been running FreeBSD for about a year or so on my web/mail server, which I only have remote access to. It's currently running 6.3. Saturday I finally found one of those round tuits and switched my home PC from Debian to FreeBSD. I've been a Linux user since the 1.xx Linux kernel days, so it took quite a bit of convincing myself to make the switch. But other than needing to unlearn some bad habits I got into thanks to Linux, I'm feeling right at home. After getting a taste of ZFS while trying out OpenSolaris Indiana under VMware, I decided to give FreeBSD's ZFS implementation a try. Actually before installing FreeBSD I tried a native OpenSolaris Indiana install briefly, but ended up deciding it's new package system wasn't quite ready for prime time yet. Do I really need ZFS? Not really. But after getting a taste of ZFS it'd be hard to go back to regular file systems. I've had a couple of problems and I'm not sure if there ZFS related or not. When I switched my PC to FreeBSD this past Saturday I went by the article located at: http://www.ish.com.au/solutions/articles/freebsdzfs to set up ZFS. I followed the article's loader.conf tweaks advice and added: vm.kmem_size_max=512M vm.kmem_size=512M vfs.zfs.zil_disable=1 to /boot/loader.conf. All went well at first, then eventually I experienced my first hang. If I remember correctly, I had an mp3 playing via mplayer and was moving a large file from one ZFS partition to another. Both the mp3 player and mv command appeared to hang. Checking top one of the processes was in a zfs:lo state and the other was, I think, in a zfs:b state, or something similar. I forget which was which. Eventually they recovered. Eventually I encountered a similar hang with similar symptoms. The second hang might have eventually recovered on it's own but I finally resorted to hitting the power switch. After a little Googling on the process states I tried adding: vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable=1 to /boot/loader.conf. After doing so I gave ZFS a bit of a workout. I shuffled some large files around, etc., and all appeared well. When I went to bed this morning, I had to work graveyards last night, I had an openoffice.org build running, which had been running for eight hours or so. Okay, although I usually install everything from ports maybe I should go with the binary package for OpenOffice. Anyway, when I got up this afternoon my PC was completely locked up. I had no video signal, caps lock and num lock wouldn't change the keyboard LEDs, etc. I finally resorted to hitting the power button. After getting things back up, I freebsd-updated to 7.0-RELEASE-p2, after some Googling and commenting out the chflag calls in freebsd-update. I know, I should have checked for updates right after I finished installing FreeBSD. Anyway, does the above hangs all sound like they're ZFS related. Are there any other settings I should try? Is there a FreeBSD ZFS mailing list? I searched but couldn't find one. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New user with a possible ZFS problem
On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Kevin Monceaux wrote: Saturday I finally found one of those round tuits and switched my home PC from Debian to FreeBSD. I probably should have mentioned that the box in question is a slightly older hyperthreaded Intel Pentium 4 box, an HP m260n to be exact, with 3GB of RAM. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unicode Console?
Fellow FreeBSD Fans, I've been running FreeBSD on a web/mail server, which I only have remote access to, for a while now. At home I've been running Linux since the 1.xx kernel days but am considering switching my desktop box to FreeBSD. I never given much thought to my locale setting until recently. I'm about to start participating in an online Spanish study group, via e-mail, and might also be following along with an Old English study group. I'm an old fashioned kinda user and prefer to do as much as I can via the text console. I compose/read e-mail via Alpine. After some trial and error I finally convinced my Linux box, currently running Arch Linux, to handle all of the special characters I need via the console. In the end, it amounted to: 1. Add en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 to /etc/locale.gen 2. run locale-gen 3. set LANG to en_US.UTF-8 4. Switch to a font that contains the symbols I need. I'm currently using one of the Terminus console fonts. For some reason I had to switch to a framebuffer console otherwise after executing unicode_start the font was way too dim. 5. run unicode_start(added to my .cshrc file) After the above I'm able to display various accented characters such as á, é, ì, ö, û, ç, etc. along with the Spanish ñ, inverted punctuation marks ¡, ¿, Old English thorn(þ), eth(ð), ash(æ), etc. Also, from reading mail from various mailing lists I've noticed that it also handles the Cyrillic alphabet and part of the Greek alphabet. From what I've seen of FreeBSD I'd expect it to have console capabilities that are superior to those of Linux. But, I haven't managed to figure out how to achieve similar functionality via the FreeBSD text consoles. I'm currently testing FreeBSD(7.0-RC2) under VMware. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unicode Console?
Yuri, On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Yuri Pankov wrote: Unicode isn't supported in syscons at all (AFAIK). Check http://opal.com/jr/freebsd/unicode/ for more complete overview. Thanks for the info. According to the info at the above URL the FreeBSD syscons doesn't currently support unicode, but work is in progress. That page was last updated on 07/06/2007, so perhaps there has been some progress since then. I'll be watching for updates. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP,Apache question
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008, Darryl Hoar wrote: when I try to start apache using: #/usr/local/sbin/apachectl start I get the following: Syntax error on line 241 of /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/local/libexec/apache/libphp4.so into server: Cannot open /usr/local/libexec/apache/libphp4.so /usr/local/sbin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started when I look in the /usr/local/libexec/apache directory, I do not see libphp4.so What do I need to do to fix this ? try installing lang/php4. Have you checked out the Apache section of the handbook? There's a section on setting up Apache and PHP: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-apache.html Also, unless you're needing to stick with older version for compatibility reasons newer version of Apache and PHP available in your ports tree. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Web Server
RC, On Thu, Aug 10, 2006 at 11:40:52AM -0500, Clark, Ronald wrote: It finds nothing. Same results with looking for libphp5.so. Is there an issue with the install or did I miss a step? Is there a recipe for setting up a server, something like FreeBSD-Apache-Mysql-PHP for dummies? In your first e-mail you mentioned you installed the php5-extensions port. libphp5.so comes from the mod_php5 port. That's the port you need to install to use mod_php with Apache. You can find information on Apache and the various modules available for it in Chapter 25 of the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/network-apache.html Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Searching Ports - possible problem
Fellow FreeBSD Enthusiasts, While researching a couple of Searching For Ports tips to send to a fellow new FreeBSD user I noticed an anomaly. The port in question was mod_php5. One would expect searching for mod_php via the search form on the ports web page or make search name='mod_php' in /usr/ports to list mod_php4 and mod_php5. Neither show up. Where do the name and keywords for ports come from? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird result of portupgrade -aRr concerning pkgconfig or is it pkg-config?
Bobby, On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:22:18PM +0200, Bobby Knight wrote: HelloNewly installed 6.1. I recently said hello to a newly installed FreeBSD 6.1 myself. Barely touched ports so one would expect it to work, That sounds like a reasonable expectation for FreeBSD. I'm new to FreeBSD myself. For the most part I've found it quite stable. I've been a Linux user for years(since the 1.x kernel days) and after only a few days of tinkering with FreeBSD on a test box I'm just about ready to switch my main box over to FreeBSD. yet it fails brutally for me as a new user when I do portupgrade -arR just to upgrade a few packages. I experienced a similar failure to the one you describe, although I didn't find it all that brutal. After a few tries I managed to get past it. I have no clue why and what to do so I am hoping someone here knows. I don't really have a clue as to why myself but I'll tell you what worked for me. There may be a better solution to this and if so hopefully someone with more knowledge than I will point it out. To improve your chances of getting the answers you need you might want to consider paying attention to the guidelines posted occasionally, especially the part about including line breaks. Such a post can be found at: http://Lists.FreeBSD.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-July/126199.html Reformatting your post so I could reply to it took a bit of time. Since I had a similar problem I took the time to reformat your message and reply to it with the hope that it will encourage someone who might not otherwise have repiled to provide more information and a better solution to the problem. Can't see what I have done wrong. My guess is you haven't done anything wrong. I had the same problem. That is always cvsup ports and do a portsdb -Fu; portaudit -Fa before upgrade as well as read UPDATING. I use portsnap myself and just installed portupgrade and portaudit yesterday. I'm still learning all the proper steps necessary to keep my system up to date. Checking if devel/pkg-config already installed === pkg-config-0.20_2 is already installed You may wish to ``make deinstall'' and install this port again by ``make reinstall'' to upgrade it properly. I tried a 'make deinstall' then 'make reinstall' as the error message suggested. It didn't help. Then, I tried a 'make deinstall' followed by a 'portupgrade -aRr' which appeared to get around the problem. Portupgrade installed the version of pkg-config it really wanted and upgraded everything successfully. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird result of portupgrade -aRr concerning pkgconfig or is it pkg-config?
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:34:46PM +0100, RW wrote: $ grep pkgconfig /usr/ports/MOVED devel/pkgconfig|devel/pkg-config|2006-05-27|Renamed to use real vendor package name You can probably just pkg_delete pkgconfig, and fix-up the dependencies. Between the two you probably need to install the new version. Would: portupgrade -f -o pkgconfig pkg-config be the correct way to fix such a problem? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
