Re: Unknown devices
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:38:03 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:04:51 +0400, Arkady Tokaev tok...@hotmail.com wrote: While I was trying to update ports I have received message about absence disk space.It's impossible, I thought.But df command said: $ df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 23G3.5G 18G16%/ devfs 1.0K1.0K 0B 100%/dev /dev/md0 9.4M2.8M6.5M30%/etc /dev/md131M 16M 13M55%/usr/local/etc /dev/md219M 18K 19M 0%/root /dev/md331M6.1M 24M20%/var $ What is the md devices?How I can remove them? See man md: The md devices refer to memory disks, RAM that emulates a hard disk. Sadly, I don't recognize a reason why your /etc, /usr/local/etc, /root and /var subtrees are mounted onto memory disks... seems that you're not running a default install, do you? I would imagine that they're vnode md devices that each have a file on the root filesystem as a backing store. I've never tried it myself but you could do this as an alternative to conventional partitioning. It's a little less efficient, but they can be resized. I'm not aware that sysinstall can install like this though - perhaps it's pc-bsd or something. There should lines like mdconfig_md0=... defining the devices in rc.conf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Graphics card recommendation
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:49 -0400 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: nVidia (AMD64) is not supported in 7.x versions of FreeBSD as far as I know. There was some talk of it being supported in 8.x, but I have not heard from anyone actually doing so. The existing driver is 32 bit and will never run on amd64. What's happened is that 8-current has provided some of the VM features that nVidia regard as prerequisites for a new 64-bit driver. All my machines use nvidea cards, and the lack of support for it in FBSD, even after an extended period of time, is a real PIA. Right, but for most of that time the ball has been in FreeBSD's court. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: man quits back to the prompt after CTRL-G
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:10:02 -0700 Chris Stankevitz cstankev...@toyon.com wrote: Bill Campbell wrote: The -e and -E options to less control this. You want neither of these specified if you don't want to have less automatically exit at end-of-file. The ``-e'' option causes it to exit the second time it hits eof while ``-E'' exits the first time. Bill, Thank you for your explanation. I hope to find that my PAGER environment variable is less -E. If so, I will drop the -E. I think it's sufficient simply to change your pager to less. IIRC it defaults to more. more and less are the same binary in FreeBSD, but they work slightly differently according to how they are invoked. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: / almost out of space just after installation
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:27:31 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 10:15:22PM +0100, RW wrote: On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de wrote: Depending on the size of installed RAM, /tmp could also be a memory disk by default. I don't see why it should depend on the amount of RAM, since it would normally be swap-backed. It should depend on the amount of RAM because putting /tmp in memory takes away from the RAM available to the rest of the system. If your system typically runs processes that consume a lot of RAM (like Firefox, ha ha), your system could bog down a lot during typical use if you use a RAM disk for /tmp without considering how much RAM you have and need to use. By default, I think, /tmp should be on the hard drive -- perhaps with an option when partitioning to set it up to use RAM instead of physical storage. But it's not really a true RAM disk unless you use specify a malloc backed md device - which you should never do because it keeps the /tmp data in RAM unconditionally. tmpfs and swap-backed md devices normally used for /tmp are similar to conventional partitions in that they are disk-based storage cached in RAM. The difference is that because swap is ephemeral there's no need to commit updates to the backing store except for memory management reasons. Most people's /tmp requirements are pretty modest compared to modern swap and RAM sizes, but my /tmp device is ~3 times RAM size and it doesn't seem to create problems when I fill it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: / almost out of space just after installation
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein mahle...@yahoo.com wrote: The only time I can really think I'd want /tmp to be in RAM is if I already had too much RAM for the needs of the box - otherwise, just give me the RAM... But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It would probably be tmpfs. While I'm reasonably happy rolling my own FS sizes, I would be even happier if I didn't have to. As long as we're doing the wish list, I'd guess for this (all numbers significantly flexible): Drive 16 GB = keep current layout? Drive 16 and 40 GB = / = 1 GB swap = 1.5x RAM /tmp = 2 GB /var = 2 GB /usr = remaining space 2 GB each for /var and /tmp is far too high for such small disks, I wouldn't want to squander 4GB like that much below a TB. It's a figure that's hardly ever going to be about right either for /tmp or /var, when it isn't far too big, it's likely to be too small. Drive 40 GB = / = 1 GB swap = 1.5x RAM /tmp = 2 GB /var = 2 GB /usr = 1/2 of remaining space, min 20 GB, max 35 GB /home = everything else. Having a home directory separate from /usr is often a good idea, but making it part of the default install is a really bad idea IMO. A desktop user with a largish disk may want 98% of it under /home, a server may need next to nothing under /home. The amount needed for /usr also varies enormously. It's so hard to come-up with sensible values that the only sensible thing to do is leave them on the same partition by default. It's not exactly rocket science to add your own /home partition. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: / almost out of space just after installation
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein mahle...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 10/10/09, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: But it wouldn't actually be a ram disk, that's just just a misnomer that people, who ought to know better, are throwing around. It would probably be tmpfs. Correction (or at least correction to precision) noted. I'd still rather use it as RAM the regular way. :) You can't, there is no regular way, it's not 1975 anymore: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/ArchitectNotes If you allocate 1.5 x RAM to swap, your system will grind to a halt long before you half-fill it with conventional paging, so you might as well allow tmpfs to use a substantial amount to back /tmp. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: / almost out of space just after installation
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:28:09 +0200 (CEST) Oliver Fromme o...@lurza.secnetix.de wrote: Randi Harper wrote: / = 1GB /var = 2GB /tmp = 2GB Depending on the size of installed RAM, /tmp could also be a memory disk by default. I don't see why it should depend on the amount of RAM, since it would normally be swap-backed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Updating the ports collection
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:43:56 -0700 Chris Stankevitz cstankev...@toyon.com wrote: The FreeBSD handbook section 4.5.1 describes several methods for obtaining the ports collection including CVSup, Portsnap, and sysinstall. Section 4.5.1 also describes how to update the ports collection, but only for the CVSup and Portsnap methods. Q1: How do I update the ports collection after using sysinstall to obtain it? I'd suggest that you don't use the tree from sysinstall, unless your intent is not to update the tree until the next release. If you use portsnap the tree gets overwritten with the extract, so you might as well not bother with the on-disk version. If you use csup then the steps are 1. Set the tag to match the port snapshot on the disc and run csup 2. Set the tag to . (the current tree) and run csup again Step 1 does nothing to the tree, but if you skip it you may end with some stale files left in your tree, which could cause serious problems. IMO this is more trouble than it's worth unless you have a dialup connection. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Disk Cloning
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:08:43 -0600 (MDT)
Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009, RW wrote:
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:22:31 +0200
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
doing 1:1 copies with dd is always possible and will
keep content identically; remember to copy the MBR separately
with bs=512 and count=1 from the /dev/ad{source} device.
Why?
Because it contains the partition table.
Right, but why separately, rather than with the rest of the disk?
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Re: battery reconditioning
On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:49:47 +0700 (ICT) Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote: Hi, form time to time, there appears some error / warning messages in console, which say this: Sep 28 00:13:40 dell kernel: aac0: **Monitor** Battery needs reconditioning. What is your question? It informs you you should change the battery used on the RAID hardware, so change the battery :) It says reconditioning rather replacing. Some battery types benefit from an occasional deep discharge. http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/software/svradmin/1.9/en/stormgmt/battery.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Disk Cloning
On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:22:31 +0200
Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
doing 1:1 copies with dd is always possible and will
keep content identically; remember to copy the MBR separately
with bs=512 and count=1 from the /dev/ad{source} device.
Why?
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Re: Question about FreeBSD installation procedure
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 22:01:18 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Hello. I have been interested in installing FreeBSD on my laptop (HP/Compaq NX5000, 2MB RAM), in a free 20MB partition. I noticed that the Linux Format magazine to which I subscribe, in Issue 124, comes with FreeBSD 7.2 on the DVD. From what I understand, FreeBSD (and possibly all BSD) uses hard disc slices rather than partitions, and therefore cannot easily be installed in a free partition, but needs for hard disc slices to be used. A slice is a primary partition in IBM PC terminology. A disk can have four primary partitions or three primary partitions and an extended partition. The extended partition can contain logical partitions Is it yet possible to install FreeBSD into a hard disc partition, rather than needing to install into hard disc slices? I have attached a copy of the screenshot showing the partition table; Attachments are stripped. I wanted to install FreeBSD into sda8. Assuming that's a logical partition, then no. If you have less than three primary partitions, you might be able to delete the logical partition, shrink the extended partition and convert the free space into a primary partition. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: net.inet.ip.random_id possible ASA problems?
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:21:21 -0400 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: IIRC, random_id allows initial TCP sequence numbers to be randomized. I was a bit sceptical about that because it's inet.ip., not inet.tcp. From a quick grep of the source it appears to be for setting the ip id, for ip fragmentation. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to get pf to wait for ng0
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:30:14 -0500 Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com wrote: Hello list, I am trying to use FreeBSD 8 RC1 to setup L2 tunnels via mpd5. My problem is the pf.conf file is never parsed because ng0 does not exist yet on startup ng0 is this case is DSL PPPoE to our local telco for internet access. after the DSL dials up (via mpd5) if I do pfctl -d pfctl -e -f /etc/pf.conf everything works as expected. What is the best way to get pf to wait and parse the ruleset until after ng0 exists? Take a look at what /etc/rc.d/ppp does Probably you need a script that runs after ng0 comes up and does something similar. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: A question about the date Function
On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:25:04 -0500 Martin McCormick mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote: date -j -f %a %b %d %T %Z %Y `date` +%s f0 date +%s f1 I then compared the outputs of f0 and f1 and they are identical. What does the long form of this command give us that date +%s fails to do? Nothing is broken, here. I am just curious. Thank you. I suspect that the the long form is just an example designed to demonstrate more than one thing in single line rather than a practical suggestion. I used to use it in scripts and never questioned it until for some reason it stopped working, and I tried the simpler alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: difficult-to-phrase question...
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:34:15 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 01:56:12AM +0100, RW wrote: Wouldn't you be better-off just turning-off session management, and using autostart instead sounds like a good idea; how do i accomplish this? The Session Manager in Control Center lets you turn it off, and you can drag application icons into ~/.kde/Autostart to have them autostart instead. also, what if i have a konqueror running and sites running and the power goes out. sometimes i want the apps to restart, not usually. is it possible to save Some programs state and let others go? The Session Manager lets you exempt applications, but I'm not sure if you can distinguish konqueror browsers from file managers though. In other browsers crash recovery works independently of session management, I think you probably do need it with konqueror but I'm not sure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Using mdconfig for swap space
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:51:20 -0500 Peter Steele pste...@maxiscale.com wrote: Are there any advantages to using mdconfig and creating a virtual disk for swap space as opposed to having a designated swap partition? For example, I could do something like this: mdconfig -a -t swap -f /var/swap0 -s 4g swapon -a /dev/md0 FWIW that's already supported by adding swapfile=/var/swap0 to rc.conf Your arguments are wrong BTW -t swap creates a device *backed* by swap. And the size comes from the size of the supplied file - which you typically create with dd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Error compiling KDE 3
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 20:08:26 -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Jerryges...@yahoo.com wrote: cd /usr/ports/security/gnutls make deinstall make reinstall make distclean cd - make install -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com The package list may have changed between version 2.6.4 and 2.8.3. I would recommend replacing make deinstall, above, with: pkg_delete gnutls-2.6.4 There's no significant difference between make deinstall and pkg_delete - the last time I checked there was only one port that didn't use the default make deinstall target, which calls pkg_delete -f. Usually this kind of thing happens because files moved between ports, and the best thing is to remove all of the affected ports before upgrading. Normally there's an UPDATING entry advising this. The FORCE_PKG_REGISTER method is a bit of cludge, but I gather it also works for this kind of build problem. I guess it allows a repeat install when a package has lost files due to a transient conflict. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: difficult-to-phrase question...
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 16:43:30 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i can use grep to find S and grep gives me the file[s] that have the string. now, is there any easy way of reading that file, or deleting or otherwise munging that file? nutshell is that every time i reboot (into kde), kde wastes time/cpu spawning unwanted whatever: versions of konqueror, kttsd, ksayit, Wouldn't you be better-off just turning-off session management, and using autostart instead ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SUID permission on Bash script
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:06:29 -0700 per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Michael David Crawford m...@prgmr.com wrote: It's not that setuid shell scripts are really more inherently insecure than programs written in C. Actually, absent some careful cooperation between the kernel and the interpreter to prevent a race condition that can cause the interpreter to run (with elevated permissions) a completely different script than the one that was marked setuid, setuid scripts _are_ insecure in a way that _cannot_ be fixed by any degree of care that might be taken in the writing of the script. Check the hackers@ archives. It was discussed a little over a month ago. But is isn't that the same issue that Matthew Seaman was saying was fixed years ago (in the link I gave before), and is described in the follow-up: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg185145.html That's entirely in the kernel, it doesn't require interpreter support. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: SUID permission on Bash script
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:54:19 +0300 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:24:35 +0100, Jeronimo Calvo jeronimocal...@googlemail.com wrote: As far as i know, using SUID, script must runs with root permissions... so i shoudnt get Permission denied, what im doing wrong?? No it must not. There are security reasons why shell scripts are not setuid-capable. You can find some of them in the archives of the mailing list, going back at least until 1997. I'm bit puzzled by this, previous threads have given the impression that this is a myth, for example: http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/msg185134.html So are scripts actually incapable of running setuid? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can partitions span more than one drive?
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:45:47 -0400 John Almberg jalmb...@identry.com wrote: Question: is it possible to just expand my existing /backup partition to encompass both the current drive and the new drive? I'm guessing not, since Chapter 8 in Absolute FreeBSD says that a partition is part of a slice, You can join 2 partitions into 1 with gconcat. OTOH that would wipe any existing data as you would need to put a new filesystem on the combined partition. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: /etc/rc.d/named dilemma
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:37:09 -0700
Nerius Landys nlan...@gmail.com wrote:
Then why
can't I do a lookup right after named starts?
Possibly it's a delay in bind being ready or maybe you don't have any
network access - the latter is common with ppp.
By the way, the underlying issue that I'm trying to address is that
ntpdate, which comes right after named in the boot sequence, is not
able to resolve the DNS for the time servers.
Try putting the following in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/waitfordns and make it
executable (untested)
#!/bin/sh
#
# PROVIDE: waitfordns
# REQUIRE: named
# BEFORE: ntpdate
. /etc/rc.subr
: ${waitfordns_enable:=yes}
name=waitfordns
rcvar=`set_rcvar`
stop_cmd=:
start_cmd=waitfordns_start
waitfordns_start(){
/usr/bin/dig +time=1 +retry=99 @127.0.0.1 google.com 21 /dev/null
}
load_rc_config ${name}
run_rc_command $1
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Re: Packages available for different FreeBSD versions
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:05:27 -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, RWrwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:41:12 -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: STABLE is what it sounds like. I don't think it is what it sounds like - STABLE branches are development branches with stable binary interfaces. It's the security branches that are intended for production use. From: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/version-guide/index.html During the lifetime of each major release, an individual branch may also be termed STABLE. This indicates that the FreeBSD Project believes that the branch is of sufficiently proven quality to be used by a wide range of users. Right, sufficiently proven quality to be used by a wide range of users for beta testing. I'm not saying that the stable branches shouldn't be used for production use, just that it's inadvisable to use them without a clear understanding of the reason why. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: digital camera and devd
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:54:37 + Michal m...@infosec.pl wrote: Hello, I've got a Canon digital camera set up and working with gphoto2 via devfs+devd but it's not elegant/clean enough: ... Problem with this solution is that it changes owner for all /dev/usb files i.e. usb, usb0, usb1, usb2 and usb3. How can I check exactly which /dev/usb* entry corresponds to my camera? And by the way /dev/usb3 means port 3, hub 3 or what are they? I'm not very familiar with devfs+devd, but can you not use glabel to give the camera a persistent name. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Packages available for different FreeBSD versions
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:41:12 -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: STABLE is what it sounds like. I don't think it is what it sounds like - STABLE branches are development branches with stable binary interfaces. It's the security branches that are intended for production use. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Managing encrypted disks
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:10:19 -0400 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: What I'd like to know, is if it's possible to somehow check to see if there are any GELI 'attach'ed disks on a given system that have not yet been mounted (or, iow, were umount'd, but were left attached). #dmesg doesn't say much in this regard, and I couldn't find out by listing /dev either. Attached partitions show in /dev as *.eli, mount tells you what is mounted. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Freebsd-update question
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein mahle...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought I'd give freebsd-update a try since I run a GENERIC kernel. mobius# freebsd-update -s update.freebsd.org fetch Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... none found. Fetching public key from update.freebsd.org... failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. Can you access the svr record? $ dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv 1 50 80 update5.FreeBSD.org. 2 10 80 update1.FreeBSD.org. 1 35 80 update4.FreeBSD.org. If not try running freebsd-update with servers 4 and 5. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Freebsd-update question
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Richard Mahlerwein mahle...@yahoo.com wrote: mobius# dig +short _http._tcp.update.freebsd.org srv (returns nothing) This is typically either due either to broken SRV support in DNS, or the absence of full dns on a private network behind proxies. Perhaps you need to set HTTP_PROXY. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:33:38 -0700 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: i'd be interested in Paul's question. it may be that kde3 is sopping up wy to much disc space. only have 6.5g left KDE4 makes KDE3 look like Fluxbox. I can't remember the exact figures on /usr, but I maintain my ccache by timestamp, and it rose from 3.2GB to 7.9GB after adding KDE4. And that 3.2GB figure included kde3 (including KOffice), xfce, fluxbox, windowmaker, icewm and numerous gui and server applications. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:53:05 -0500 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: --On August 6, 2009 7:15:18 PM -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: Unless things have changed very recently, KDE4 is in its own directory folder. This may imply that KDE3 and KDE4 can coexist. As always, YMMV. I was looking for something a little more definitive, like I upgraded like this, and here's the problems I ran into. I don't want to run KDE3 and KDE4 side by side. I want to migrate from the former to the latter. There was some speculation that stability problems are exacerbated by having both versions, so it's sensible to remove kde3. AFAIK there is no automatic migration, it's like installing a different desktop. I know you can copy wallet files across, and you can probably carry some other data over, but for the most part it isn't worth it. I'd suggest you back-up or rename your .kde and .kderc to keep them safe. KDE4 is very much the new coke of desktops. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: KDE3 -- KDE4
On Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:12:03 -0500 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an increase in usability/benefit to match the increase in resource consumption? (Please forgive me - I know that's a horribly subjective question.) IMO it's less usable in terms of ergonomics, and they are still talking about catching-up with kde3 in terms of features and configurability. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: kernel designations terminology confusion -- amd64 used for into quad core
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:14:49 +0100 David Southwell da...@vizion2000.net wrote: Hi every one My understanding is that one uses the amd64 for building a kernel for systems with Intel Quad Core processors. It is helpful when naming conventions follow a logical strand. I mean why does freebsd use a single manufacturer's name to represent a genre? The time to complain about that was when they put the i in i386. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy!
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:20:50 -0800 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Monday 03 August 2009 18:28:52 Modulok wrote: I wrote a python script which uses /dev/random, and hashes the output with sha256. I then truncate the output to the desired length. Blasphemy! According to the superstitious password crowd my passwords are not very secure ... maybe. They aren't, because you reduce the random to a much less random, *because* you are hashing. Not in FreeBSD, it's a 256bit PRNG and a 256 bit hash. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy!
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:28:52 -0600 Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: However, wouldn't hashing bytes from /dev/random be quite secure? The hash function would cover any readily apparent patterns, if they were found to existed. That's fine, the only issue is that hex digits lead to long passwords for a given stength. Most password generators are OK, provided that they ultimately derive a sufficiently strong seed from /dev/random and don't do anything stupid, this includes things like jot, which uses the arc4random library. The main problem is that there are still a few generators around, IIRC sysutils/pwgen is one, that still seed from the time and the pid, so I wouldn't use a generator unless I'd seen the source. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy!
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:42:22 -0600 Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it I would have to double the length of a hashed password for it to be as secure as an un-hashed one, as each pair of characters represent one byte. Aye? I wouldn't put it quite like that, it's the hexadecimal representation that puts one bytes into two characters not the hashing. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: not dead [yet].
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:32:54 -0400 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile: how do I get rid of a truckload of old binaries that I rarely/never use? Most show a list of dependencies that's about 70 lines long, and I don't want to break things. ports-mgmt/pkg_cutleaves may be what you're looking for. Or portmanager -slid which is a bit easier to use for a one-off cleanup, and also understands build-dependencies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure password generation...blasphemy!
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 22:34:27 -0400 Bill Moran wmo...@potentialtech.com wrote: Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: I need a way to generate a lot of secure passwords. So, I read all about it. Either people are getting way carried away, or I'm missing something... You could just use apg ... it's in the ports. By the look of it this was originally DES-based, and was upgraded to use CAST or SHA1. However the seeding from /dev/random seems to have been left at 64 bits (the DES blocksize) plus some extra from gettimeofday(). In practice it's probably good enough, it just seems a bit lame. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ntpd / time synchronization
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:48:44 +0200 Zbigniew Szalbot z.szal...@lcwords.com wrote: Hello, Jerry pisze: ntpd_enable=YES ntpd_flags=-g -c /etc/ntp.conf -p /var/run/ntpd.pid -f /var/db/ntp.drift Assuming you are running the system ntpd file, the above are not really required. They are the defaults anyway. Try commenting out the line and restarting ntpd. Thank you Jerry - that was the problem. If you want to run a default nptd service, you should not have any ntpd flags in the rc.conf file. I doubt it, I think you must have done something else to fix it. The only difference between what you had, and the defaults is the -g option. That option just allows ntpd to make an initial unlimited correction rather, rather than exiting if the clock is out by 1000s. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: linux emulator
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:58:05 -0400 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Let's try 3 questions, all related. 1. Which linux emulator is one supposed to use or is this something that should not be installed and left to be handled as a dependency by ports? 2. I am trying to install ogle on FreeBSD 7.2 running on amd64. I have installed linux-base-fc4. What are you trying to do exactly? Ogle is in ports, and has no linux dependencies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: disk encryption with geli
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:17:49 +0200 Stefan Miklosovic miklosovic.free...@gmail.com wrote: hi all i am going to encrypt my /home directory which is mounted in /etc/fstab like /dev/ad0s2f /home ufs rw,noatime I think that should be /dev/ad0s2f.eli in fstab. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: jpeg-7 - rebuild all dependencies - how?
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 08:28:14 -0800 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Friday 24 July 2009 05:52:37 chris scott wrote: maybe it would be a good idea for ports to have an event log like yum does on centos. Just a simple log of stuff added, removed, and upgraded. It would be invaluable in this situation as you could see what was removed and it would be fairly easy to recover. It just may take a little time. Err, this is available through cvs log/cvs diff. I believe he's referring to a log of package installs and deletes. What would probably be more useful, is to periodically write out an ordered list of leaf-origins, then you can just diff today's file with an older copy. I used to have a script for it, but it fell-off. I think package-cut-leaves keeps a similar list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: ULE and Prescott question
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:33:46 +0200 Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Scott Bennett wrote: This is a curiousity question. I'm running 7.2-STABLE at present on an old Inspiron XPS, which has a 3.4 GHz P4 Prescott CPU. I have hyperthreading enabled in the kernel. The question is: is there any appreciable performance difference to be expected with this hardware setup between the ULE scheduler and the 4BSD scheduler? Or does the fact that there is only one core eliminate any difference in performance characteristics? I'd guess the second thing. It's not like there's cache to be shared between cores, etc. But with hyperthreading enabled, don't you have virtual CPUs sharing L1 cache rather that cores sharing L2 cache, making the case for ULE even stronger? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: backticks in rc.conf
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:18:37 +0300 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote: There's a catch here that may go unnoticed for a while... rc.conf may be sourced by /etc/rc *long* before filesystems are mounted. As a result grep or awk may be not be available and stop rc.conf from loading. rc.conf is sourced for each rcng script ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question
On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 10:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Zohreh zohreh...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Sir/Madam i have a question about free bsd and squid that was installed on it. i insatlled squid 2.6 stabled 20 on freebsd 7. and i enabled firewall on freebsd . now i brows http sites on internet but i cannot brows ftp site and i cannot pass pop3 through of my squid . Squid doesn't proxy pop3, it will only proxy ftp if the client is configured to use a proxy - interception doesn't work with ftp. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portupgrade question
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 08:00:28 +1200 Jonathan Chen j...@chen.org.nz wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 02:50:17PM +0200, dan wrote: THat's the point ! isnt that -R implied by -N ? From the portupgrade man page [...] -N --new Install a new port/package when a specified package is not installed. Prior to the installation a new port/package, all the required packages are upgraded. No. Since the dependant package *is* installed. It's just not up to date. I don't understand what you're are saying here. My reading of the manpage is the same as Dan's: when you install kdeadmin with portupgrade -N, everything that kdeadmin requires will be upgraded i.e. brought up to date. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: How to symlink devfs devices?
On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:45:48 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 05:49:24PM +, Paul B. Mahol wrote: Is it possible to create a symlink to a device and use the symlink in place of the real device name in FreeBSD, especially in version 7.2? 1. A disk /dev/camera - /dev/da0s1 devfs.conf(5) Geneally, yes. But not in this case, I think. You don't want any old usb device to be linked to /dev/camera! USB devices are enumerated in the sequence thay are plugged in. So there is no hard guarantee that the camera will always be available as da0s1. It might be da1s1 if another USB drive was plugged in earlier. And not all cameras represent themselves as disk devices (USB mass storage). Lots of modern ones use PTP [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture_Transfer_Protocol]. So in this case it might be better to use HAL (via hald(8)) [http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal] although if it is a standard usb mass storage device, you can mount it via it's msdos volume label, or a generic label written to the device by glabel. Both methods are described in the glabel(8). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: question
On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:46:45 -0400 DJ Lawless jlawless...@aol.com wrote: Do you need to become a member of freeBSD to get a freeBSD.org email address? if yes how do you become a member? If you have to ask, it's not going to happen. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sysctl gnome2
On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:36:33 +0200 Roy Stuivenberg roys1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Sometimes when I send a message with pidgin, or evolution, the application shuts down. Is there an option with sysctl, that would prevent this to happen? sysctl is an interface to the kernel, it doesn't know anything about third-party, high-level applications. The behaviour you describe sounds more like a bug than a feature, but if there is a way to turn it off it will be in the gnome or application configuration. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Using ctorrent or other program to seed a torrent
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:31:41 -0700 Kelly Jones kelly.terry.jo...@gmail.com wrote: I know how to use ctorrent to create a torrent file, but how do I actually seed the resulting file so that others can get it, and how do I 'register' myself w/ a tracker so that others will know what IP address to connect to, etc? There are two kinds of trackers, closed and open. With a closed tracker you usually have to upload the torrent file on a website. With open trackers you don't need to do anything other than specify the URLs of the trackers when you create the torrent file. Can ctorrent seed torrents, or do I need another program for that? I would imagine so, or you wouldn't be able to seed after downloading. With most clients you can place the file or directory in the download location, load the torrent file and then tell the client to verify the download. It'll then detect that it's complete and switch to seeding. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The question of moving vi to /bin
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:15:12 -0500 Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: I like M$ Notepad - is there a version of that for FBSD? Actually, there is. Wine implements it's own version of notepad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:20:12 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: RW wrote: Portmanger does cope with most of the portupgrade -o and portupgrade -r entries, although sometime it will need to be run (or rerun) in pristine-mode. just curious, do you know this because you know how they all work or have you tried them. And how does portmaster fit in? Does it use the same 'leaf-nodes first' algorithm as portmanager? It's leaf-last, the leaves are on the top of the tree. All the upgrade tools build in dependency order, but portmanager also rebuilds ports that directly depend on the ports it's upgraded (originally it included indirect dependencies, but that's now only done in pristine mode). In other words it, more or less, does the equivalent of portupgrade -fr as a matter of course. As regards portupgrade -o, it depends on the circumstances. In the case of perl5.8 to perl5.10, I would expect that it would continue with perl5.8 until something actually needs perl5.10. It would then detect a conflict, remove perl5.8, install perl5.10 and then rebuild everything that depended on perl5.8. Essentially it would do the right thing. I'm not sure about python, it's bit more complicated, but I would guess it would be similar to perl. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best practices for securing SSH server
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:37:12 +0200 Erik Norgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: You're right, as long as port-knocking as a first pass authentication scheme is not in wide spread use, then any attackers will not waste time port-knocking. If ever port-knocking becomes common, attackers will adapt and start knocking. It would be fairly straightforward to prevent that by having a combination of knocking ports and secret guard ports. When a guard port gets hit the sequence is broken, and the source IP gets blocked for a while. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Best practices for securing SSH server
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:12:59 +0200 cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: It all boils down to this: do you login from a secure machine or not? Each tool has its own set of uses. When I want to log in from a public terminal, I prefer OPIE; OPIE is probably fine in almost all cases, but you may wish to read the following thread: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.security.general/9272 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:21:21 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: RW wrote: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been down to an individual ports. You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the issues automatically, but not all. Not trolling but can you give me some examples? Many of of the entries aren't solely to do with guiding portmaster/portupgrade through the upgrade, they may also involve migrating configuration or user data, or performing other administrative tasks. Portmanger does cope with most of the portupgrade -o and portupgrade -r entries, although sometime it will need to be run (or rerun) in pristine-mode. However, it doesn't always work correctly when software has been repackaged because this can create temporary unrecorded conflicts which are difficult for any tool to deal with. If you see any instructions to remove packages before upgrading, it's prudent to follow them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: upgrading installed ports: time to do it ?
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:58:41 +0100 Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com wrote: I'll probably get flamed for this but since I've been using ports-mgmt/portmanager I've almost forgotten about /usr/ports/UPDATING and all that pkgdb -Fu stuff or whatever it was. I've upgraded ports just by doing 'portmanager -u' over one or two quite major changes and not had any problems that haven't been down to an individual ports. You still need to read UPDATING, portmanager handles some of the issues automatically, but not all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Program update(s)
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:09:17 +0200 Jos Chrispijn j...@webrz.net wrote: RW wrote: For the most part you don't, you can just run perl-after-upgrade. Good suggestion, thanks. If you are referring to the switch from lang/perl5.8 to lang/perl5.10, then that's exceptional and optional. Exceptional oke, but optional? I have to make sure that all related programs are in line with this version; It's optional to go from lang/perl5.8 to lang/perl5.10. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Program update(s)
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:47:39 +0200 Jos Chrispijn j...@webrz.net wrote: Can someone tell me why I have to recompile all related programs when I upgrade to a newer version of Perl? For the most part you don't, you can just run perl-after-upgrade. If you are referring to the switch from lang/perl5.8 to lang/perl5.10, then that's exceptional and optional. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Which nVidea driver to install
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 02:26:34 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote: To install the nvidia-driver port a kernel module named nvidia.ko is compiled. This module requires linux.ko to be loaded first. The reason is the nvidia-driver itself is a linux binary blob, and consequently must utilize the linuxolator to run. Very simple concept. Simple, but wrong. The driver is not a Linux driver, if you go to the nVidia site you will see that there are separate Linux and FreeBSD drivers. You don't need to load linux.ko at all if you built nvidia.ko without Linux support. The OpenGL support is part of the install. It is not related to any so called 'optional support for Linux binaries'. Ask yourself this: when you run glxgears is glxgears a linux binary or was it compiled as a FreeBSD binary? Clearly you don't need Linux support to run the native glxgears, but you would if you wanted to run a Linux glxgears binary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Which nVidea driver to install
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:13:30 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote: The nv can easily be installed along with Xorg. The nvidia driver is more complex as it relies on the linuxolator to function, so there is a larger number of dependencies. I think that's misleading, AFAIK it's more a case that it can optionally support OpenGL for Linux binaries, in which case it acquires some Linux dependencies. Sometimes with laptop built-in chips it can be difficult to get things going because of a non-standard resolution requiring a non-standard modeline. In such situations the nv xorg driver will probably be easier to get going. The ultimate fallback is VESA mode, but nobody wants that if it can be avoided. I've never had a problem with either, they both have their own configuration program to generate xorg.conf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: burncd
On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Chuck Bacon c...@cape.com wrote: Is there a better tool than burncd? I've used burncd for CD's, but for DVDs I follow the handbook, and have never had any problems: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/creating-dvds.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Driver for nVidia Geforce 6150LE
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 15:00:48 +0100 Mike Clarke jmc-freeb...@milibyte.co.uk wrote: On Saturday 06 June 2009, Jerry wrote: I did notice a driver on the nVidia page for FreeBSD x86, version # 185.18.14, released June 5, 2009; however, the version is the ports is: 180.44, which has actually been superseded four times since its release by nVidia. Would the x86 driver work in 64 bit FreeBSD or do I have to install the x86 version instead? No, in the absence of a 64 bit driver from Nvidia you'd need to use the nv driver included in the xorg-drivers port. I had quite a struggle to get the nv driver to give me a 1280x1024 display. You wont get effects in Gnome or KDE4 with nv either. In my experience it also uses a lot more cpu just to basic things like web browsing, and movies. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: top view different screens
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 06:50:34 +0100 Matthew Seaman m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk wrote: Momchil Ivanov wrote: how can I view the second and third screens in top? Is it possible? Ah, now for that you'ld have to use middle(1) and bottom(1), Unfortunately no one has written them yet... Seriously though: you can run top in an xterm and make the window as tall as you can bear, you can filter the top output by username, turn the display of idle processes on or off, sort the output order by any of the columns shown, or else you can forget top(1) entirely and use ps(1) to examine the whole process list. or you can do something like top 999 |less ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Set task priority
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:19:49 -0400 Greg Larkin glar...@freebsd.org wrote: I had the same situation here, and nice(1) wasn't cutting it for me. I finally switched to idprio(1): http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=idpriosourceid=opensearch idprio 31 mysqldump . will run only when other processes are idle. That should prevent any further self-incurred DOS symptoms for you. IIRC idprio can actually make things worse under heavy load, because it can lead to priority inversion. I think that's why you have to be root to set it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: find and searching for specific expression in files
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:12:50 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Saturday 30 May 2009 13:56:22 Valentin Bud wrote: 2009/5/30 Zbigniew Szalbot z.szal...@lcwords.com You can use egrep -r * (grep -e) to search for specific text pattern while you are in a directory with many sub directories. The output is nice because it tells you the file in which the text pattern was found :). Discouraged because: - it's possible to hit maxarglen if the root directory has many subdirectories. - Will not search hidden directories in the root directory because of the shell glob You can replace egrep -r string * with egrep -r string . i.e. recurse from the current directory, rather than search or recurse on everything that matches *. That avoids the first two problems, and most of the time the third doesn't matter - cannot be combined with other search criteria such as the file's timestamp. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing distfiles?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not portUPGRADE. I wrote: supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. Portmaster only supports one of the modes, distclean has a ruby dependence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing distfiles?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 12:24:30 +0100 RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2009 07:49:12 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Thursday 28 May 2009 03:13:46 RW wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. What ruby dependence in portmaster? He said portMASTER not portUPGRADE. I wrote: supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. Portmaster only supports one of the modes, distclean has a ruby dependence. Sorry, that should have been portsclean not distclean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: superpages?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 17:17:38 +0200 cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: The following excerpt from: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/relnotes-detailed.html may be helpful: [amd64, i386] The FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem now supports fully transparent use of superpages for application memory; application memory pages are dynamically promoted to or demoted from superpages without any modification to application code. This change offers the benefit of large page sizes such as improved virtual memory efficiency and reduced TLB (translation lookaside buffer) misses without downsides like application changes and virtual memory inflexibility. Just out of idle curiosity, how does it work at the page queue level. Most of the references to superpages are in pmap.c and vm_reserv.c. I don't see any special handling in the pageout daemon where the inactive and active queues are handled. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is this forum for?
On Thu, 28 May 2009 23:38:46 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: i repeated what i read recently about ICE ON ARCTIC SEA melting that will flood. Even knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. When you learned about Archimedes principle did they not teach you about thermal expansion - or did you just assume that as the ice melts everything remains at the same temperature. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is this forum for?
On Fri, 29 May 2009 00:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: is enough to prove that water level will not change at all. Even for you this is a new low. just another attack? you really can't discuss like a human? I think you can, but you like behave in me too style. others are agains, you must be too! Do you not think it's a bit arrogant to ridicule the climate scientists based on what you yourself referred to as knowledge from primary school physics and no single calculation? about thermal expansion - water will be roughly the same temperature, maybe globally few degrees more. check out how much water expands really. It's not just the melt water, it's the temperature of the water in the oceans, which is maintained by convection currents. Most of the water in the world is held at 2-4 Celsius by these currents. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing distfiles?
On Wed, 27 May 2009 22:56:10 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Using e.g. 'portmaster --clean-distfiles-all' only removes those distfiles that do not belong to installed ports. I've not used it myself, but there is also a shell script called distviper in bsdadminscripts which supports both of distclean's modes without the ruby dependence. Personally I much prefer the less aggressive mode (distclean -D) which deletes files unreferenced by the ports tree, rather than unreferenced by installed ports. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: removing distfiles?
On Wed, 27 May 2009 21:34:58 -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: RW writes: Personally I much prefer the less aggressive mode (distclean -D) which deletes files unreferenced by the ports tree, rather than unreferenced by installed ports. I use -DD. With nearly 1000 ports on one machine, it's important to realize many ports go months (and some years) between updates and pain of downloading a fresh copy is minimal given a half decent net connection. That's what I used to think until I deleted some java distfiles, and had to go though the rigmarole of getting all the various files manually. There's also the possibility that a distfile gets rerolled and local copy is the only one that matches the port checksums. Disk space is cheap, the extra files don't add up to much in practice. The real advantage of cleaning comes from not have ten copies of kdebase and the like. Deleting only the obsolete files also has the advantage of being entirely safe - so I do it from a periodic script. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption?
On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:02:10 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Or if you have the case of a 'known-plaintext' attack. It happens more often than you would think: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known-plaintext_attack] Note that using a random salt would be a good protection against such an attack! Only if the passphrase is weak. If you don't use salt you can pre-compute a table that maps weak passphrases to a few bytes of of the ciphertext of a known plaintext first block. But if that passphrase contains sufficient entropy it's no cheaper than a brute-force attack against the cipher. A cipher that can't withstand that isn't worth using. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption?
On Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:35 -0700 Kelly Jones kelly.terry.jo...@gmail.com wrote: and was surprised that doing this to identical files yielded different results. I then realized openssl enc randomly(?) chooses a salt if you don't supply one. I want my backups encrypted, but I also want identical files to encrypt identically. Thoughts? Then don't use salt - just a fully randomized key. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by default is a design decision because: Without the -salt option it is possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password. That doesn't sound good, does it? It's not a problem since she's using a random key file, not a weak password. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Secure unsalted or fixed salt symmetric encryption?
On Mon, 25 May 2009 23:52:05 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:06:01PM +0100, RW wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2009 21:00:39 +0200 Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Or you can use the -nosalt option. But as explained in [http://www.openssl.org/docs/apps/enc.html], using a random salt by default is a design decision because: Without the -salt option it is possible to perform efficient dictionary attacks on the password. That doesn't sound good, does it? It's not a problem since she's using a random key file, not a weak password. But a key alone is not sufficient. You'll need to specify an initialization vector as well, using the -iv option. E.g.: openssl enc -aes256 -in infile -out outfile.aes \ -K 971001EE50DCDBCAF3F521851E773B0285838CA549E2258C1A195565D61F2145 \ -iv FD246E34A631AE38 If you try it with only a key or keyfile, you'll get a 'iv undefined' error, resulting in a zero-length output file. :-( It works for me: $ echo hello world infile $ head -c32 /dev/random |sha256 keyfile $ openssl enc -aes256 -nosalt -kfile keyfile -in infile -out outfile $ openssl enc -aes256 -nosalt -d -kfile keyfile -in outfile hello world ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: virtual network with qemu
On Thu, 14 May 2009 13:39:17 +0200 marco\.borsati...@poste\.it marco.borsat...@poste.it wrote: First, thank you. You are right, qemu has an internal DHCP server, which should be perfect for me, becuse I would like to emulate a network without any contact with external (real) world. The problem is that my virtual PC can't ping the gateway. For my idea (this is just a way to study a project for a network without a real network) the communication is intended only among virtual PCs. But If I can't contact the (virtual) gateway will it be possible to contact another virtual PC on a different subnet? The problem is that ping is a setuid binary, so qemu cant send a ping into the outside world as an ordinary user process. I think you may be able to ping between two emulated machine within qemu. Even if you can't it might be worth staying with qemu's networking, if pings aren't essential, as it sounds closer to what you need than networking via tap. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: howto sidestep sysinstall during installation
On Mon, 11 May 2009 16:11:08 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote: -Stable is where newer software from -Current (HEAD) is merged backwards. An example would be a driver bug that was fixed in 8.0-Current would be made available in 7.2-Stable. The main purpose for using -Stable is for when some specific problem you are having in 7.2-Release has been fixed, and updating from -Release to -Stable is how you go about obtaining the fix. Also bear in mind that only the base system is branched, not the ports tree. And most user-visible change takes place in ports. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Perl upgrade
On Sat, 09 May 2009 13:05:32 +0200 Jos Chrispijn j...@webrz.net wrote: Not that I am that paranoid, but can someone tell me why Perl 5.8 is not automatically updated to 5.10 thru the ports, but (accordingly by UPDATING) has to be updated by some manual interaction? That's the way the port system works. perl5.6, perl5.8 and perl5.10 are separate ports, making it automatic would involve forcing people off perl5.8 and marking it as moved. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: i had a tought
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:42:21 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On the other hand, you can just stick with FreeBSD and not bother with the Lunix stuff and you will get along just fine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Preventing ntpd from adjusting time (backwards)
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:09:09 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 21 April 2009 11:39:32 Matthew Seaman wrote: * Don't run 'ntpd -g' as the documentation tells you is the modern and accepted method. Instead, run 'ntpdate' as a separate process and run 'ntpd' without the '-g' flag. Hmm, isc sure knows how to abstract something as simple as command line options into several levels. From the source, -q activates mode_ntpdate which is one path for time reset. Since not using that, it's not that path. The other codepath, has 4 possibles, 2 of which relating to step-in and step- out, which I could increase to values that are less likely to cause a step. Would be worthwhile if there aren't 2 other possibilities which most likely cause the step back after reboot syndrome: The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay. ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality. ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't really replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Preventing ntpd from adjusting time (backwards)
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:32 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote: The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay. Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date command that sets time to the past, for example? I was assuming that since you're running ntpd you wouldn't be doing that. ntpdate may be deprecated, but it's been deprecated for years, and I doubt it will go away until ntpd fully replaces it's functionality. ntpd -gq can replace ntpdate in a crontab, but ntpd -gqn doesn't really replace ntpdate -b in the boot-sequence. I'm actually counting on it to be gone in 8.0. Is that official? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Preventing ntpd from adjusting time (backwards)
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:23:14 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 21 April 2009 19:31:33 RW wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:43:32 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 21 April 2009 16:20:52 RW wrote: The bottom line though, is that ntpdate_enable=yes solves the problem entirely, since the real problem is not the step, but the fact that it happens in the background, and after a delay. Care to expand on that? Dovecot won't stop if root issues a date command that sets time to the past, for example? I was assuming that since you're running ntpd you wouldn't be doing that. Right, then this works because ntpdate is started before dovecot in rcorder, like Tim Judd said else in thread. ntpdate and ntpd normally start consecutively, both way before Dovecot. The difference is that ntpdate runs in the foreground, blocking the boot-process for a fraction of a second, but ntpd forks-off into the background and takes a lot longer over making its initial correction. If you're dead set against using ntpdate, you could use the preferred ntpd -gnq in it's place, at the expense of about 10 seconds of extra boot time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Encrypted slice with geli
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:17:40 -0600 Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: Cryptographically speaking: No, the majority of your data still exists as magnetic signatures on the physical disk. (Though is not directly accessible.) This is a bit misleading, the data in the unwritten disk sectors is still accessible through the device, so it would still be possible to image the disk and perform offline reconstruction of the data. You wouldn't need to rely on magnetic hysteresis. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Console mode scrolling
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:55:16 +0200 Fernando Apesteguía fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there a way to scroll the screen in console mode? Something like I do in Linux with Ctrl + Page Up? I find it specially useful, but I don't know how to do it in FreeBSD. I'm using FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p4 #12 use the scroll-lock key ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Xorg and nvidia-driver-173 ABI
On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 07:19:31 -0400 Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote: RW wrote: I picked-up the most recent xorg update a couple of days ago, and since then X has been failing to start with the binary nvidia driver, and is leaving the following in Xorg.0.log: (EE) NVIDIA(0): This video driver ABI is not supported. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check. Have you rebuilt the nvidia-port after the xorg update? You might just need to do the make, make deinstall, make reinstall dance for the version you're using. This will rebuild the kernel module to match the new xorg. Yes, I always do that, the driver installs a library that overwrites one installed by Xorg, and doesn't work correctly otherwise. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Three little question.
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:55:44 +0800 (CST) makefile makef...@yeah.net wrote: Every time I run make fetch-recursive,it fetched all the dependence packages.Not only the package I need to compile. For example,in the /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel,I run make fetch-recursive,it will download glib,but I alreaday have glib installed.Is there another command can solve my problem? Then leave off the -recursive part, although actually the targets you really need are checksum[-recursive] not fetch[-recursive]. It's good practice to leave the files in the distfile directory and clean it with portsclean -D, then you don't have to download them again. Ports often need to be rebuilt with the same distfile. I installed gnome2-lite,but I don't think it is small enough.I don't need file-roller,epiphany,totem...How should I do?Gnome2-lite depend on them. gnome2-lite is just a metaport, so you could just delete it and install just the ports you want. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Xorg and nvidia-driver-173 ABI
I picked-up the most recent xorg update a couple of days ago, and since then X has been failing to start with the binary nvidia driver, and is leaving the following in Xorg.0.log: (EE) NVIDIA(0): This video driver ABI is not supported. (EE) NVIDIA(0): Use the -ignoreABI option to override this check. -ignoreABI doesn't help. I presume that nvidia will eventually fix this for the current driver, but I'm using the legacy driver port x11/nvidia-driver-173. Is there any prospect of the nvidia driver working again on my hardware? If the answer is no, would the nv driver benefit from a switch from i386 to amd64. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:15:54 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2009 08:05:11 manish jain wrote: I am migrating from Linux and am still learning the basics of FreeBSD. One thing that I would to carry over from my Linux days is to force an fsck on all filesystems at system startup. On Linux, this was simply a matter of editing /etc/rc.sysinit. Things seem a bit more complicated in the BSD world. Can somebody please point me in the right direction ? fsck -p is done by default (meaning, filesystems are not fully scanned if they are marked clean). If pruning fails, background_fsck is checked, which will work on UFS systems with soft updates, but is not recommended by many as it may leave some errors unchecked. I don't think that's quite right, fsck -p is only done if background_fsck=NO, otherwise an fsck -pF is done instead. The latter does an fsck -p on filesystems that aren't eligible for background checking - usually root and any none UFS filesystems. In other words you need to set background_fsck=NO to get a preen on all filesystems. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:00:18 +0530 manish jain invalid.poin...@gmail.com wrote: As for the reason why I want to force fsck is that it has now happened 3 timed that, after a clean and proper shutdown - with no foreign filesystems mounted, FreeBSD has complained on system restart (twice on a 5.x distribution I had briefly used and now once on 7.1) that / was not properly unmounted. Having bgfsck enabled is like inviting a dragon to dinner when this happens. If you've done a normal install, soft-updates aren't enabled on /, so it will get foreground checked by default. If I were you I'd reboot into single user mode and do a full fsck on it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about forcing fsck at boottime
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:36:32 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: On Tuesday 31 March 2009 14:24:11 RW wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:15:54 +0200 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net wrote: somebody please point me in the right direction ? fsck -p is done by default (meaning, filesystems are not fully scanned if they are marked clean). If pruning fails, background_fsck is checked, which will work on UFS systems with soft updates, but is not recommended by many as it may leave some errors unchecked. I don't think that's quite right, fsck -p is only done if background_fsck=NO, otherwise an fsck -pF is done instead. The latter does an fsck -p on filesystems that aren't eligible for background checking - usually root and any none UFS filesystems. As far as I can tell, -F -p skips clean disks (-p) and defers to background when possible, though the manpage doesn't exclude your or my theory. ENOTIME to check the source. I wouldn't dispute that clean filesytems are skipped, it's just that you seemed to be implying that every filesystem gets a foreground fsck -p. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: nvidia-drivers crash computer on X start
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:53:43 +0100 Anders Holmström holmstrom.and...@gmail.com wrote: The current xorg.conf I'm using is listed below. It was generated with X -configure. I've used many different xorg.confs, but they've all more or less been using the same settings as below, I don't know if it will help, but the nvidia driver has its own utility for generating xorg.conf: x11/nvidia-xconfig ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Problem with Gmail/Evolution and IPFW
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:01:51 +0100 Roy Stuivenberg roys1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm having a problem with Gmail and IPFW. Gmail is configured in Evolution. running prerelease 7.2 / stable + Gnome2 When I can't send mail (with attachment), I have to disable IPFW, and at that point I'm able to send mail. This sounds like it could be a path mtu discovery problem; try adding the following: allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: WINE installation problem
On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:20:38 +0100 Alain G. Fabry alainfa...@belgacom.net wrote: Hi, My WINE was running fine, but while performing a portupgrade I got an error message. So I decided to remove WINE and reinstall. Now I can't install it either. If you ever do that again, make a package first. I get the following message === wine-1.1.17,1 builds, but fails upon startup. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/emulators/wine. I'd suggest you either get an old package of wine, or install portdowngrade and use it to take the wine port back to a previous version. wine-1.1.16,1 works for me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mount 2nd HD containing running Freebsd system
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:55:50 +0800 Fbsd1 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: I have run out of space on my running 7.1 system. I have a 2nd HD containing 6.1 that I want to mount and use the 80gb /usr slice. What is the mount command to use? Thinking mount /dev/ad1 /mnt but un-sure how this handles the 6.1 slices on that HD. You need to mount the bsd partition[s] not the whole disk. Probably something like /dev/ad1s1d I'd suggest you re-label it and put a new filesytem on it if you can. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: updated world to CURRENT, how to update ports to CURRENT?
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:21:10 +0100 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Tuesday, March 24, 2009 a las 10:07:14AM +, Bruce Cran escribió: The ports tree isn't versioned like /usr/src; 'portsnap fetch' will always fetch the latest copy from cvs mainline, and the only way to go back to a branch (e.g RELENG_5_5_0) is by using csup, which you would only really want to do if you're using a release of FreeBSD which has gone out of support, such as 5.x. What made me worry about this was reading http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html The Ports Collection supports the latest release on the FreeBSD-CURRENT and FreeBSD-STABLE branches You should still rebuild all your ports, since you have crossed a major version boundary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sa-compile's bsdpan package
I see that when I run Spamassassin's sa-compile it generates a bsdpan package. Is there any way of preventing this? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portupdate xorg-server
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:39:31 -0500 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: RW wrote: IMO this doesn't make any sense. If portupgrade is failing on a port where manual make install works, then portupgrade simply has a bug. Any port upgrading tool belongs in a port, because it's more important that it responds to changes in the ports system than changes in the base system. As to upgrading piecemeal rather than with -a, I don't see how that helps, and it may actually make things worse by not building in dependency order. ___ As to the first part of your msg, what you said doesn't make any sense to me either. Never did I claim portupgrade fails where a normal make install would succeed. I would appreciate it if you could take my example as I state it instead adding stuff to make it sound implausible. And I would appreciate it if you actually read what I posted before you accuse me of making things up. My reply wasn't to your email it was to Neil Hogan, who did say that. Also after you get some experience in ports, you'll be able to understand that you can't depend on it compiling all the time. .. Hope that clears up the confusion for you. Since you are the one that sees problems, and I find the whole thing to be generally straightforward, I don't really think you are in a position to be condescending. Many problems that are seen after a portupgrade -R will go away after after a portupgrade -a, so why waste time in debugging them. In my experience a failed portupgrade -a scarcely ever leads to runtime problems and most build problems are resolved after running csup. Personally I don't find fault-finding signifiantly harder after a portupgrade -a than after a portupgrade -R YMMV. The really important thing is to read UPDATING, but if you don't update frequently enough you can run into a state where it's difficult to conflate the entries into a single recipe. If I ever let things slide to the point where I was faced with two really complex metaport updates, I *might* be tempted to take the tree back to the point when the first update stablised and do them sequentially in that way. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: issues in XFCE 4.6 (looking for a working WM)
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:15:37 -0600 (MDT) Keith Seyffarth w...@weif.net wrote: At this point, I guess I'm looking for recommendations on a window manager. The XFCE upgrade went smoothly for me, apart from missing icons, although I don't use it all that much so I may have missed something. At very least I'd do a portupgrade -a, preferably a portupgrade -fa. Running 6.0 isn't very sensible, there aren't all that many people using Freebsd as a desktop machine in the first place, and most of the people best suited to fix problems, or file detailed PRs will be on 7 or 8 by now. What other window managers do people use, or what would you recommend and why? I'd suggest kde3, it's very stable, and version updates are always simple. You don't have to install it all, if you don't want to. xfce is the lightest of the 3 main desktop environments, so the next down are the likes of windowmaker, fluxbox, icewm, and enlightenment. Personally I'd go with fluxbox out of these, but that's largely personal preference. I like the taskbar and system tray support, icewm is similar, but seems less sophisticated and isn't really functional out-of the-box. If you want a desktop environment on top of a window manager you can use the rox ports to get session management, icons on the desktop, and a file manager. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: portupdate xorg-server
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:04:00 -0500 Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: But, I wonder what the most efficient way is to update ports. I appreciate Adam's point about the fact that portupgrade (and portmanager and portmaster) are ports themselves and are going to not be as reliable as what is in base. IMO this doesn't make any sense. If portupgrade is failing on a port where manual make install works, then portupgrade simply has a bug. Any port upgrading tool belongs in a port, because it's more important that it responds to changes in the ports system than changes in the base system. As to upgrading piecemeal rather than with -a, I don't see how that helps, and it may actually make things worse by not building in dependency order. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
