Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
can i run exe files on freeBSD?it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what .how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM?im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type?i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall or update On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:44 AM, cikitaluzza cikita100...@yahoo.com wrote: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:44:09 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM Try 9.2 for AMD64. The i386 version should also work (as you are low on RAM if that might matter, depending on what non-OS software you're going to run on that machine). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For DOS EXE and Windows EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those compatibility packs can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen.do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Definitely no bluescreens in FreeBSD. The system will behave exactly as intended and won't change its mind a few days after installation. :-) how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? That's a 64 bit CPU, if I remember correctly. The AMD64 version should run fine. But as you are a little bit low on RAM, you might consider using the i386 version (32 bit version) if you don't _need_ to run any 64 bit application. Especially as you've mentioned to run EXE files, this might be the better solution. From what I've heared, wine (the Windows compatibility pack) runs better on i386 than on amd64. (I'm running it myself on the i386 OS on a 64 bit system without any problems.) im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type? Is this via web? In this case, only the web browser matters. The typical candidates Firefox and Chrome should be fine. The OS does not matter here. If you need a proprietary program to watch the live cameras, often available only for an outdated Windows version, running it with (the mentioned) wine should work. (I've successfully tried something like that with a program to watch CCTV cameras via Internet.) i like to save pictures and videos and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it. Definitely no problem. But keep in mind: _You_ are responsible for creating backups! FreeBSD offers excellent tools to do so, no matter if you want to backup to disks, DVDs, the Cloud, or even to old-fashioned tape. Saving pictures from videos is no problem. There is mplayer and mencoder. It plays, records and converts _everything_. i want stable os and never to reinstall or update That approach is unreasonable, I think. You _should_ update when security updates become available. It's in _your_ interest to do so, because effciency, security and usability improves from version to version. Luckily, FreeBSD has an easy way of updating the OS. It's _independent_ (!) from your installed applications and of course from your data. You can also decide to update your programs independently. However, a install once, then keep using scenario is easily possible with FreeBSD. (My home system has been installed in summer 2011 and worked _flawlessly_ since that point, never touch a running system.) I suggest you make yourself familiar with FreeBSD by using the resources from http://www.freebsd.org/ and you _might_ also want to check out PC-BSD (might be perfect for what you want) and VirtualBSD (easy way to try it out without installing it). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 16:50 -0700, cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? The raw answer is, no, you can't. it spoils fast or not?this question comes from fastest ever spoil OS windows which always spoil in a week seven times i think with things like errors or dll and many things from blue screen. This doesn't sound like a Windows only error. do you have any problems within freeBSD or no problems?i dont like blue screen error or driver things and no matter what . Regarding to driver issues you better stay with Microsoft or switch to Apple. Hardware and free/libre and open source software requires the user to learn and take care if hardware is supported. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Around 1 GiB could be ok, but also be not enough RAM, but it seems not to be an issue. im always in internet watching live camers,what do you suggest me to use os type?i like to save pictures and videos Free/libre and open source software does less good support proprietary codecs and software. At the moment there is a thread about Adobe Flash on this list. The best choice could be Windows, perhaps installed as guest to a virtual machine, so that you always can restore it by using snapshots. and never lost them,if you think your os is gonna spoil and lost my all files then i dont need it.i want stable os and never to reinstall or update For multimedia Linux might be better than FreeBSD. Neither Linux, nor FreeBSD tend to lose data, you even shouldn't lose data when using one of Microsoft's less good Windows versions. It's more likely that users have less good backup and archiving strategies. If you want to consume multimedia by the Internet, you likely need to install security updates and software to use stuff based on proprietary software. You could set up a text editor and never need to update or to reinstall something, but the Internet and consuming multimedia likely need updates from time to time. Start an adventure ;), nobody will give you a guarantee, self-responsibility is a catchword for free/libre and open source software. FreeBSD and Linux are similar operating systems, on both kernels more or less the same multimedia applications do run, but the more recent versions are provided by Linux and multimedia is better supported for Linux. I'm an Arch Linux user, it's similar to FreeBSD regarding to a port like system, however, for your needs IMO Debian Linux stable release might be the less risky choice. OTOH, why not simply testing FreeBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
Typo warning! On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:26:45 +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT), cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Depends. VMX EXE files may work via the SimH emulator. For ^^^ DOS EXE and Windows EXE files, there are dosbox and wine. Those compatibility packs can be easily installed. They are not part of the OS. Of course I meant _VMS_ executables. ^ Also I don't know if there would be a way to run OS/2 EXE files. This is probably only possible with a VM running the appropriate OS/2 version. This approach might also apply for running Novell NetWare EXE files. There are several VM systems available for FreeBSD, for example VMWare and VirtualBox. I hope I have covered all typical possibilities of what exe file could mean. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what kind of freeBSD to download for my pc?
On 2013-10-13 01:50, cikitaluzza wrote: can i run exe files on freeBSD? Yes, but the files are not called exe files. it spoils fast or not? Google translate? do you have any problems within freeBSD Yes. how much total ram and bit is my pc of amd athlon(tm) 64 x2 dual core processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz 960 MB RAM? Download amd64 i want stable os and never to reinstall or update You should consider pen and paper then. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is Negative permissions
On 23/09/2013 11:54, Leslie Jensen wrote: In the daily security run I see the following: Checking setuid files and devices: Checking negative group permissions: 3791965 -rwxr--r-x 1 admin wheel 172 Mar 9 10:59:55 2011 /usr/home/admin/bin/noip_update.sh Is it just a reminder that the group has no x permissions or should I give those permissions? Yes, basically. It's obviously very odd to give everyone OTHER than :wheel members permission to run it. What about user root in group wheel - is root allowed to run it? Actually, yes, even though you might think you've forbidden members of wheel. Regards, Frank. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What compiler is used to build a port
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:36:46 +0700 (ICT) From: Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: What compiler is used to build a port Hi, I have a strange situation: 2 machines, 9.1 p4, on the first machine, graphicslibfpx build with the stock compiler: $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === Configuring for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Building for libfpx-1.3.1.1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1 g++ -O2 -pipe -DHAVE_WCHAR_H -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H... and on the other machine it insists on using gcc 4.4 (which is actually a mistake, libfpx will *not* compile with gcc 4.4 or gcc 4.6): $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === libfpx-1.3.1.1 depends on executable: gcc46 - not found ===Verifying install for gcc46 in /usr/ports/lang/gcc Making GCC 4.6.3 for x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1 [c,c++,objc,fortran,java] === Found saved configuration for gcc-4.6.3 === Fetching all distfiles required by gcc-4.6.3 for building === Extracting for gcc-4.6.3 = SHA256 Checksum OK for gcc-4.6.3.tar.bz2. === gcc-4.6.3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.4 - found What could cause aport to request for a different compiler version when both machines are very similar? Best regards, Olivier It seems you have different revisions of the ports tree on the two boxes. Do svn info /usr/ports on both boxes, and see what revisions they have. On amd64 with ports at r322188 it builds using the system GCC compiler: http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/libfpx-amd64-r322188-build.log but looking at the port's svn log (svn log /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx) shows r311828 | miwi | 2013-02-07 12:36:20 + (Thu, 07 Feb 2013) | 2 lines - Unbreak build for HEAD Maybe your gcc-46 build is on a box with ports tree prior to that revision? Anton P.S. In cases like these I usually email the maintainer and copy to ports@. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What compiler is used to build a port
Thank you Anto, I have a strange situation: 2 machines, 9.1 p4, on the first machine, graphicslibfpx build with the stock compiler: $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === Configuring for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Building for libfpx-1.3.1.1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1 g++ -O2 -pipe -DHAVE_WCHAR_H -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H... and on the other machine it insists on using gcc 4.4 (which is actually a mistake, libfpx will *not* compile with gcc 4.4 or gcc 4.6): $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === libfpx-1.3.1.1 depends on executable: gcc46 - not found ===Verifying install for gcc46 in /usr/ports/lang/gcc Making GCC 4.6.3 for x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1 [c,c++,objc,fortran,java] === Found saved configuration for gcc-4.6.3 === Fetching all distfiles required by gcc-4.6.3 for building === Extracting for gcc-4.6.3 = SHA256 Checksum OK for gcc-4.6.3.tar.bz2. === gcc-4.6.3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.4 - found What could cause aport to request for a different compiler version when both machines are very similar? Best regards, Olivier It seems you have different revisions of the ports tree on the two boxes. Do svn info /usr/ports I am using portsnap, not svn, but I check the md5 of each files in the port (there are only 8 files) and they are the same. And I tried to copy the directory from one machine to the other and get the same result. on both boxes, and see what revisions they have. On amd64 with ports at r322188 it builds using the system GCC compiler: http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/libfpx-amd64-r322188-build.log but looking at the port's svn log (svn log /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx) shows r311828 | miwi | 2013-02-07 12:36:20 + (Thu, 07 Feb 2013) | 2 lines - Unbreak build for HEAD My portsnap is much newer than February. Thank you, Olivier Maybe your gcc-46 build is on a box with ports tree prior to that revision? Anton P.S. In cases like these I usually email the maintainer and copy to ports@. I will. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What compiler is used to build a port
From olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th Mon Jul 1 12:12:08 2013 I have a strange situation: 2 machines, 9.1 p4, on the first machine, graphicslibfpx build with the stock compiler: $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === Configuring for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Building for libfpx-1.3.1.1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1 g++ -O2 -pipe -DHAVE_WCHAR_H -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H... and on the other machine it insists on using gcc 4.4 (which is actually a mistake, libfpx will *not* compile with gcc 4.4 or gcc 4.6): $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === libfpx-1.3.1.1 depends on executable: gcc46 - not found ===Verifying install for gcc46 in /usr/ports/lang/gcc Making GCC 4.6.3 for x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1 [c,c++,objc,fortran,java] === Found saved configuration for gcc-4.6.3 === Fetching all distfiles required by gcc-4.6.3 for building === Extracting for gcc-4.6.3 = SHA256 Checksum OK for gcc-4.6.3.tar.bz2. === gcc-4.6.3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.4 - found What could cause aport to request for a different compiler version when both machines are very similar? Best regards, Olivier It seems you have different revisions of the ports tree on the two boxes. Do svn info /usr/ports I am using portsnap, not svn, but I check the md5 of each files in the port (there are only 8 files) and they are the same. And I tried to copy the directory from one machine to the other and get the same result. on both boxes, and see what revisions they have. On amd64 with ports at r322188 it builds using the system GCC compiler: http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/libfpx-amd64-r322188-build.log but looking at the port's svn log (svn log /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx) shows r311828 | miwi | 2013-02-07 12:36:20 + (Thu, 07 Feb 2013) | 2 lines - Unbreak build for HEAD My portsnap is much newer than February. ok, what else could be different between the two boxes? - /etc/make.conf ? Anton ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What compiler is used to build a port
I have a strange situation: 2 machines, 9.1 p4, on the first machine, graphicslibfpx build with the stock compiler: $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === Configuring for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Building for libfpx-1.3.1.1 Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1 g++ -O2 -pipe -DHAVE_WCHAR_H -DHAVE_DLFCN_H -DHAVE_SYS_TIME_H... and on the other machine it insists on using gcc 4.4 (which is actually a mistake, libfpx will *not* compile with gcc 4.4 or gcc 4.6): $ make === Fetching all distfiles required by libfpx-1.3.1.1 for building === Extracting for libfpx-1.3.1.1 = SHA256 Checksum OK for libfpx-1.3.1-1.tar.xz. === Patching for libfpx-1.3.1.1 === Applying FreeBSD patches for libfpx-1.3.1.1 /usr/bin/sed -i '' -e '/^#include fpxlib-config.h/d' /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/basics/filename.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/oless/h/owchar.h /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/ole/gen_guid.cpp /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx/work/libfpx-1.3.1-1/fpxlib.h === libfpx-1.3.1.1 depends on executable: gcc46 - not found ===Verifying install for gcc46 in /usr/ports/lang/gcc Making GCC 4.6.3 for x86_64-portbld-freebsd9.1 [c,c++,objc,fortran,java] === Found saved configuration for gcc-4.6.3 === Fetching all distfiles required by gcc-4.6.3 for building === Extracting for gcc-4.6.3 = SHA256 Checksum OK for gcc-4.6.3.tar.bz2. === gcc-4.6.3 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.14.4 - found What could cause aport to request for a different compiler version when both machines are very similar? Best regards, Olivier It seems you have different revisions of the ports tree on the two boxes. Do svn info /usr/ports I am using portsnap, not svn, but I check the md5 of each files in the port (there are only 8 files) and they are the same. And I tried to copy the directory from one machine to the other and get the same result. on both boxes, and see what revisions they have. On amd64 with ports at r322188 it builds using the system GCC compiler: http://eis.bris.ac.uk/~mexas/libfpx-amd64-r322188-build.log but looking at the port's svn log (svn log /usr/ports/graphics/libfpx) shows r311828 | miwi | 2013-02-07 12:36:20 + (Thu, 07 Feb 2013) | 2 lines - Unbreak build for HEAD My portsnap is much newer than February. ok, what else could be different between the two boxes? - /etc/make.conf ? No, I have checked that already. Thanks anyway, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the correct CPUTYPE for this machine?
On 8 June 2013 09:34, Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu wrote: I have an old laptop: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 r...@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 CPU: Mobile AMD Duron(tm) Processor (1096.23-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x671 Family = 6 Model = 7 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE AMD Features=0xc0480800SYSCALL,MP,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow! What is the correct value for CPUTYPE in make.conf? Duron was just a low-cost Athlon, da? -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the correct CPUTYPE for this machine?
On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 10:10:10AM -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2013 09:34, Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu wrote: I have an old laptop: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 r...@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 CPU: Mobile AMD Duron(tm) Processor (1096.23-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x671 Family = 6 Model = 7 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE AMD Features=0xc0480800SYSCALL,MP,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow! What is the correct value for CPUTYPE in make.conf? Duron was just a low-cost Athlon, da? OK, checking the internet, looks like I should use CPUTYPE?=k7 as the mobile amd duron 1.1G is a k7 group, but the make.conf example only lists values like k8, k6-3, k6-2, k6, and k5. Which should I use? mg -- Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the correct CPUTYPE for this machine?
On 08/06/2013 17:02, Michael Gass wrote: On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 10:10:10AM -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2013 09:34, Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu wrote: I have an old laptop: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 r...@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 CPU: Mobile AMD Duron(tm) Processor (1096.23-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x671 Family = 6 Model = 7 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE AMD Features=0xc0480800SYSCALL,MP,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow! What is the correct value for CPUTYPE in make.conf? Duron was just a low-cost Athlon, da? OK, checking the internet, looks like I should use CPUTYPE?=k7 as the mobile amd duron 1.1G is a k7 group, but the make.conf example only lists values like k8, k6-3, k6-2, k6, and k5. Which should I use? CPUTYPE?= native Why fret when the computer can work it out for itself? Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What is the correct CPUTYPE for this machine?
On 8 June 2013 12:02, Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu wrote: On Sat, Jun 08, 2013 at 10:10:10AM -0400, ill...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 June 2013 09:34, Michael Gass mg...@csbsju.edu wrote: I have an old laptop: FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243826: Tue Dec 4 06:55:39 UTC 2012 r...@obrian.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 CPU: Mobile AMD Duron(tm) Processor (1096.23-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x671 Family = 6 Model = 7 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE AMD Features=0xc0480800SYSCALL,MP,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow! What is the correct value for CPUTYPE in make.conf? Duron was just a low-cost Athlon, da? OK, checking the internet, looks like I should use CPUTYPE?=k7 as the mobile amd duron 1.1G is a k7 group, but the make.conf example only lists values like k8, k6-3, k6-2, k6, and k5. Which should I use? According to /usr/share/mk/bsd.cpu.mk (qv: # Handle aliases (not documented in make.conf to avoid user confusion # between e.g. i586 and pentium) ) if you set CPUTYPE=k7 it will set CPUTYPE=athlon native probably works for most cases, too. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what commands show memory usage
On 05/14/2013 08:56 PM, Joe wrote: Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 05/14/2013 08:32 PM, Joe wrote: When stopping vnet jails get message about lost memory pages. What console commands show available memory pages so I can determine the lost memory pages after 100 stopped jails? Want to find out if that lost memory page message is bogus or not. Look at 'vmstat' and 'free' commands. can't find any free command Sorry Joe (and everyone), I had a brief bit flip. The command is actually called freebsd-memory and is not in the base system. It's an addon from Ralph Engelshall and can be found here: http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/utils/ (If you care, the 'free' command is how you do this on Linux.) -- Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 12:53:27AM +0100, Erik N?rgaard wrote: What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I'm using the Intel DQ77KB Thin Mini ITX board and it almost meets all of your criteria. The heatsink has a fan but it is silent (even after 12 hours of Prime95). This board has AMT so when used with a vPro capable CPU (I'm using an i7-3770S), you get all sorts of nifty OOB features. I'm using ESXi 5.1 right now but I'm pretty sure it would boot FreeBSD fine. -- Jason Fortezzo forte...@mechanicalism.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 00:53:27 +0100 Erik Nørgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: Hi! What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I have tried VIA boards but found they were flacky... Any suggestion regarding ARM vs Intel based? I'm playing now with GK802, an arm based one. Freebsd don't run on it :( and LAN is wifi b/g/n + bluetooth https://www.miniand.com/products/GK802%20Android%20Mini%20PC The advantage over similar ones is that internal flash memory is a micro sd card, so you can build your os on other machine plug it in Thanks, Erik -- M: +34 666 334 818 T: +34 915 211 157 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org --- --- Eduardo Morras emorr...@yahoo.es ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On 03/08/13 23:53, Erik Nørgaard wrote: Hi! What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I have tried VIA boards but found they were flacky... Any suggestion regarding ARM vs Intel based? Depending exactly how small you want it, how about a Raspberry Pi Model B? Dirt cheap, 1 LAN, but you can add others via USB if you want (although it will never be high performance), 2 USB, HDMI output, GPIO, boot from SD card. Even runs FreeBSD (although still being developed). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 03/08/13 23:53, Erik Nørgaard wrote: Hi! What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I have tried VIA boards but found they were flacky... Any suggestion regarding ARM vs Intel based? Depending exactly how small you want it, how about a Raspberry Pi Model B? Dirt cheap, 1 LAN, but you can add others via USB if you want (although it will never be high performance), 2 USB, HDMI output, GPIO, boot from SD card. Even runs FreeBSD (although still being developed). Hello, Been running Freebsd on an intel D525 as suggested by a mailing list user over a year ago. This box has been running great with the exception of 9.1 not detecting the onboard ethernet. Currently running jails on it, http, mail, mincraft server for the kids, and some others. FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243825: Tue Dec 4 09:23:10 UTC 2012 r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D525 @ 1.80GHz (1800.10-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0x106ca Family = 6 Model = 1c Stepping = 10 Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE Features2=0x40e31dSSE3,DTES64,MON,DS_CPL,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,MOVBE AMD Features=0x20100800SYSCALL,NX,LM AMD Features2=0x1LAHF TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics I also have a raspberry pi B which I use to stream video and music from a jail on my 525 but it is not freebsd. OpenBSD-current on soekris 5501 has been running flawless for years too Lastly I have a beagleboard system which I won that is not doing anything but I do hear that netbsd guys can boot on it. Haven't tried atm. There are options out there for sure. The D525 was under 100 USD , not including case and some misc. parts. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 00:53:27 +0100 Erik Nørgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: Hi! What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I have tried VIA boards but found they were flacky... Any suggestion regarding ARM vs Intel based? Can't think of any off hand in that small of form factor, but I strongly suggest looking to see what you can find running an Intel Atom. I've been very happy with those and their related chipsets so far for microATX boards. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: What is your favorite board for a micro system?
On 8 March 2013, at 15:53, Erik Nørgaard norga...@locolomo.org wrote: Hi! What is your favorite mini/micro/nano/pico-itx platform for home projects? I currently run a home server on an Intel mini-itx board but was looking around for something fun to play with with the following specs: - mini-itx or smaller, low profile - fanless - low power 12V external PSU - 1 LAN, preferably 2 - 2 USB2/3 - Flash bootable, but with option for hdd boot - GPIO would be fun - hdmi out would be nice I have tried VIA boards but found they were flacky... Any suggestion regarding ARM vs Intel based? Look at the Mac Mini. Only has one LAN though. It does have a fan but I have never had it come on. Runs 9.1 (amd or i386) although booting is currently a challenge. I am working on that. It does require 120 VAC though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the timeout of TCP in freeBSD?
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Karthik Reddy 22karthikre...@gmail.comwrote: When I change the kern.hz to 50, the timeout is happening at 76sec. Could you please elaborate on kern.hz and how does it effect timing. Lower frequency so less opportunities for errors to be introduced, although you may have greater network latency at that setting. Some setting under sysctl kern.timecounter and/or sysctl kern.eventtimer should be able to allow the guest to run better if the hypervisor can't do it. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the timeout of TCP in freeBSD?
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Karthik Reddy 22karthikre...@gmail.comwrote: I was doing a experiment on FreeBSD for testing TCP timeout and RTO. OS is being run from two different VMware versions 4.0 and 5.0. Present Scenario: VMware Player 4.0 I'll start a telnet session to a non-existing system in the network. When I look at the tcpdump the RTO starts at every 3 seconds and after some exponential backoff starts. In this scenario after 75 seconds the TCP gives up and tells me that there is no system existing with the IP and telnet session terminates. Next Scenario: VMware Player 5.0 In this scenario, I did the same but the RTO starts at 5 sec and then varies. In this scenario, it takes more than 120 seconds for telnet session to tell me that there is no system is available in the network. I have seen sysctl in both VM's. net.inet.tcp.keepinit = 75000 Is this problem something related to timing of the VM's or any other issue? What's the wallclock delta during such a test? Have you tried setting 'kern.hz=50' or fiddling other TC options? UP VM's tend to keep time better than other multicore configs. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the timeout of TCP in freeBSD?
When I change the kern.hz to 50, the timeout is happening at 76sec. Could you please elaborate on kern.hz and how does it effect timing. On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Karthik Reddy 22karthikre...@gmail.comwrote: I was doing a experiment on FreeBSD for testing TCP timeout and RTO. OS is being run from two different VMware versions 4.0 and 5.0. Present Scenario: VMware Player 4.0 I'll start a telnet session to a non-existing system in the network. When I look at the tcpdump the RTO starts at every 3 seconds and after some exponential backoff starts. In this scenario after 75 seconds the TCP gives up and tells me that there is no system existing with the IP and telnet session terminates. Next Scenario: VMware Player 5.0 In this scenario, I did the same but the RTO starts at 5 sec and then varies. In this scenario, it takes more than 120 seconds for telnet session to tell me that there is no system is available in the network. I have seen sysctl in both VM's. net.inet.tcp.keepinit = 75000 Is this problem something related to timing of the VM's or any other issue? What's the wallclock delta during such a test? Have you tried setting 'kern.hz=50' or fiddling other TC options? UP VM's tend to keep time better than other multicore configs. -- Adam Vande More -- Karthik Reddy I'm not the best, but I'm not like the Rest ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com wrote: In the last episode (Dec 06), Antonio Olivares said: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/173603 I apply the suggested fix: $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name I try once more on another machine not 64 bit, it returns the same error and java web start does not work :( $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name Any other ideas as to how to fix this? Don't try and run it through /bin/sh . The script uses bash-isms (array syntax specifically). Just run itweb-javaws jviewer.jnlp. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com This is what I get when I run it: $ itweb-javaws jviewer.jnlp Error: could not find libjava.so Error: could not find Java 2 Runtime Environment. $ E-213-3W# pkg_version | grep 'openjdk' bootstrap-openjdk = openjdk6= E-213-3W# pkg_version | grep 'icedtea-web' icedtea-web = E-213-3W# Thanks for helping. Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/173603 I apply the suggested fix: $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name I try once more on another machine not 64 bit, it returns the same error and java web start does not work :( $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name Any other ideas as to how to fix this? TIA, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
In the last episode (Dec 06), Antonio Olivares said: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/173603 I apply the suggested fix: $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name I try once more on another machine not 64 bit, it returns the same error and java web start does not work :( $ sh -x `which itweb-javaws` jviewer.jnlp + JAVA=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/bin/java + LAUNCHER_BOOTCLASSPATH=-Xbootclasspath/a:/usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar + LAUNCHER_FLAGS=-Xms8m + CLASSNAME=net.sourceforge.jnlp.runtime.Boot + BINARY_LOCATION=/usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws + PROGRAM_NAME=itweb-javaws + CP=/usr/local/openjdk6/jre/lib/rt.jar /usr/local/bin/itweb-javaws: 11: Syntax error: Bad function name Any other ideas as to how to fix this? Don't try and run it through /bin/sh . The script uses bash-isms (array syntax specifically). Just run itweb-javaws jviewer.jnlp. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
30.11.2012 18:39, Antonio Olivares: /usr/ports/java/icedtea-web/work/icedtea-web-1.3.1/netx.build/lib/classes.jar /usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar install -o root -g wheel -m 555 launcher.build/itweb-javaws /usr/local/bin install -o root -g wheel -m 444 extra-lib/about.jar /usr/local/share/icedtea-web/about.jar install -o root -g wheel -m 555 launcher.build/itweb-settings /usr/local/bin /usr/local/bin/bash I need an application that requires /usr/local/bin/javaws and it is not found what should I do to install it or substitute it to make it work? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Volodymyr Kostyrko c.kw...@gmail.com wrote: 30.11.2012 18:39, Antonio Olivares: /usr/ports/java/icedtea-web/work/icedtea-web-1.3.1/netx.build/lib/classes.jar /usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar install -o root -g wheel -m 555 launcher.build/itweb-javaws /usr/local/bin I have tried this itweb-javaws , but it does not work :( It does nothing, the application does not open :( How should I troubleshoot it? Thanks for helping, Antonio install -o root -g wheel -m 444 extra-lib/about.jar /usr/local/share/icedtea-web/about.jar install -o root -g wheel -m 555 launcher.build/itweb-settings /usr/local/bin /usr/local/bin/bash I need an application that requires /usr/local/bin/javaws and it is not found what should I do to install it or substitute it to make it work? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
On Friday 30 November 2012 16:39:17 Antonio Olivares wrote: I need an application that requires /usr/local/bin/javaws and it is not found what should I do to install it or substitute it to make it work? curlew:/tmp% ls -l /usr/local/bin/javaws lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 6 Nov 09:32 /usr/local/bin/javaws@ - /usr/local/bin/javavm curlew:/tmp% pkg_info -W /usr/local/bin/javavm /usr/local/bin/javavm was installed by package javavmwrapper-2.4_2 -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what replaces javaws? using icedtea-web and openjdk6.
30.11.2012 19:05, Antonio Olivares: On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Volodymyr Kostyrko c.kw...@gmail.com wrote: 30.11.2012 18:39, Antonio Olivares: /usr/ports/java/icedtea-web/work/icedtea-web-1.3.1/netx.build/lib/classes.jar /usr/local/share/icedtea-web/netx.jar install -o root -g wheel -m 555 launcher.build/itweb-javaws /usr/local/bin I have tried this itweb-javaws , but it does not work :( It does nothing, the application does not open :( How should I troubleshoot it? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/173603 -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is an in-core disklabel ?
On 2012.10.08 18:22, Robert Bonomi wrote: 'cached' is not _technically_ exactly accurate, but you have the concept basically correct. Thanks for the detailed explanation, Robert. Maybe shadowed would be have been a more accurate term. But in-core also has a nice ring to it! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is an in-core disklabel ?
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:14:20 +0200 From: Lucas B. Cohen l...@bnrlabs.com Subject: what is an in-core disklabel ? Hi, I've seen the term in-core a couple times while reading up about BSD disk labels. Does it refer to data that is cached in kernel memory ? Context examples : - fdisk(8) outputs parameters extracted from in-core disklabel - bsdlabel(8)'s manual explains that the -n (dry run) parameter does not install the new label either in-core or on-disk. 'cached' is not _technically_ exactly accurate, but you have the concept basically correct. The O/S reads the label information and stores it in an internal data structure, Then, when it needs to use that data (frequently!:) it uses the values in that internal structure, rather than attempting to re-read from the disk, itself. Technically, it's _not_ cached -- cached data is used to short-circuit a 'read' attempt, using an in-memory block of byte instead of an actual disk transfer. The -effect- is similar, but there are *important* differences. 'Cache' data is integrated with I/O operations, and a _write_ to the place where the data was read from -invalidates- the cached data, whereupon, the next read attempt will *not* be short-circuited, and the actual on-disk data will be returned. In the case of the disk label, it is read (once) into the internal data structure, and only the internal data is used after that. A userland app can change the 'on disk' data -- or trash it completely -- and what the O/S thinks the label info is will NOT be affected by that change to the 'on disk' data. The warnings you see in the documentation, are reminders that the O/S's 'internal' data and the 'on disk' data are *NOT* necessarily the same. That looking at _one_ source of that data does *not* guarantee that what you see =there= is the same as what is in the other place. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: What replaces csup?
I also find portsnap slower than either csup or svn. That surprises me. Once the initial download and extract is done, I find portsnap fetch update to be miles faster than csup. However, each to his own, I suppose. +1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
mer...@stonehenge.com schreef op : Stas == Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl writes: Stas On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete Stas repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite Stas heavy-weight. The entire history of the Linux kernel since switching to git 5 years ago is stored in a repo that is *less than half the size* of a single current checkout. The entire history of the XFree86 project ended up being a repo that was only 2-3 times the size of the current checkout. Seriously, don't be afraid of git simply because it has all the history. SVN is already worse because it has a single local backup copy for every live file, 2x right there. I may have been influenced here by the fact that, in KDE, the size became a problem, due to the large amounts of binary content in the repositories (artwork), which is, of course, not the case for FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, pete wright wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all the current files, but it copies all of them every time, not just the changes. yea i agree with you. i wonder if it would be worth the effort of sharing a svn export via rsync or httpd to make fetching delta's easier and/or more efficient from a base install? It's an interesting idea. If the repository files were directly accessible in a filesystem, that filesystem could be shared with rsyncd and some exclude settings without needing an export at all. With svn bdb, the files are not directly accessible, but I don't know for fsfs. Probably not, so a periodic export would still be required. i did some tinkering with this last night, with the thought of storing an export in a zfs filesystem and eventually making it available publicly via a jail. my findings were that an export of the 9.1 relng branch consumed ~750MB while a svn co consumed ~1.4G of disk space and a full export took roughly 10-15mins. i eventually decided that what I was doing wasn't really needed by the wider end-user community. after mulling this move from cvs/csup for a bit i came to the conclusion that really the need for a source checkout is not as important as it may have been several years ago. freebsd-update is a really great tool, and i reckon for a majority of users out there not having to rebuild the kernel+world to get updates is a good thing(tm). i also reckon running a GENERIC kernel is appropriate in maybe %90 of use-cases out there as well (i haven't had a need to build a custom kernel on various server and workstation platforms since 2008'ish frankly). in this context, going the binary distribution route seems like a really smart decision. having a majority of your users basically running the same builds of the world and kernel *should* decrease the amount of support bandwidth needed to get people updated and running current code. i also reckon having more people running the same binaries would be helpful in finding reproducible bugs and hopefully squash them. so back to my original point...for sites running many systems, or sites requiring specific builds - mirroring the source tree locally is still very doable, and fortunately there are many well known ways to do this (svn co, svn export, skv, etc..). you could even argue that having a svn checkout may make patching bugs easier as you could just import a svn diff, rebuild and test. i also feel, personally, that it is nice to allow someone else build the kernel+world and let me grab binary updates as needed. now i can spend my clock cycles on more important tasks, like building packages for my pkgng repo :) -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl wrote: Jerry schreef op : On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. If you are going to make a sweeping change anyway, it makes no sense to do it in a half–assed manned. However, it does appear that in all too many instances, FreeBSD plays follow the leader rather then taking the bulls by the horns and getting ahead of the curve. I am sure I'll be hearing from the baby steps choir now. In any event, a comprehensive side-by-side evaluation of the two should be done by an impartial party. We should not be forgetting that Git and Subversion represent two different workflows. The latter stands for a centralistic development cycle, and the former for a distributed manner. Thus, this type of choice does not really have to do with big or small steps and leading of following, but more about the production cycle you want to have. If we were to use a Git-like system, the releng team would (probably) be in control on which patches are excepted from the pool of suggested changesets by the community of developers. This community would be more free in the manner in which they experiment, and there would be a less strong differentiation between committers and other people suggesting updates. On the other hand, our current approach has a controlled group of committers and the releng team only has the additional power of setting the schedule and taking the snapshot that becomes the release. (Gravely simplified.) It is a matter of taste. +1 one thing worth noting is that developers have been using mercurial for quite a bit of time now for FreeBSD development(1), to take advantage of the distributed model of that SCM. yet having the main tree under CVS in the past, and SVN currently, makes sense to me. i feel that it results in a cleaner public tree that is easier to navigate. so fortunately the project has been able to take advantage of both of of these philosophies of SCM. -pete (1) http://wiki.freebsd.org/LocalMercurial -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports? Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Walter Hurry writes: PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports? _Wrong_? Nothing. But a lot of people like the idea of using the same tool to solve nearly identical problems. Your experience may diverga. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports? That's another way. If there are any local changes to the ports tree, portsnap will overwrite them. I also find portsnap slower than either csup or svn. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports? my personal issue is the fact that csup and portsnap are both part of the base system whereas svn would require installation via ports or the pkg utility. it is frankly a minor inconvenience - and hopefully there will be a csup like utility for svn available in base one day. -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:18:02 -0600, Warren Block wrote: I also find portsnap slower than either csup or svn. That surprises me. Once the initial download and extract is done, I find portsnap fetch update to be miles faster than csup. However, each to his own, I suppose. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Warren Block schreef op : The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. Although I believe the checkouts are bigger, I do not think they have all the commit history. This is where SVN and CVS differ from systems like Git or Mercury, which have all the history in a local working copy. I think the overhead of SVN consists of backups and cached copies of the previous revision, but I am not quite sure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. ;-) - M On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl wrote: Warren Block schreef op : The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. Although I believe the checkouts are bigger, I do not think they have all the commit history. This is where SVN and CVS differ from systems like Git or Mercury, which have all the history in a local working copy. I think the overhead of SVN consists of backups and cached copies of the previous revision, but I am not quite sure. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. If you are going to make a sweeping change anyway, it makes no sense to do it in a half–assed manned. However, it does appear that in all too many instances, FreeBSD plays follow the leader rather then taking the bulls by the horns and getting ahead of the curve. I am sure I'll be hearing from the baby steps choir now. In any event, a comprehensive side-by-side evaluation of the two should be done by an impartial party. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:00:08 -0500, Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.com wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. Git is available in a hush-hush unsupported fashion for ports and source. I'll warn you: it will take you forever to pull it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Jerry schreef op : On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. If you are going to make a sweeping change anyway, it makes no sense to do it in a half–assed manned. However, it does appear that in all too many instances, FreeBSD plays follow the leader rather then taking the bulls by the horns and getting ahead of the curve. I am sure I'll be hearing from the baby steps choir now. In any event, a comprehensive side-by-side evaluation of the two should be done by an impartial party. We should not be forgetting that Git and Subversion represent two different workflows. The latter stands for a centralistic development cycle, and the former for a distributed manner. Thus, this type of choice does not really have to do with big or small steps and leading of following, but more about the production cycle you want to have. If we were to use a Git-like system, the releng team would (probably) be in control on which patches are excepted from the pool of suggested changesets by the community of developers. This community would be more free in the manner in which they experiment, and there would be a less strong differentiation between committers and other people suggesting updates. On the other hand, our current approach has a controlled group of committers and the releng team only has the additional power of setting the schedule and taking the snapshot that becomes the release. (Gravely simplified.) It is a matter of taste. On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite heavy-weight. Stas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On 09/18/12 13:00, Michael Sierchio wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. ;-) It's worth reading this http://wiki.freebsd.org/GitDrawbacks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, Stas Verberkt wrote: Warren Block schreef op : The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. Although I believe the checkouts are bigger, I do not think they have all the commit history. This is where SVN and CVS differ from systems like Git or Mercury, which have all the history in a local working copy. I think the overhead of SVN consists of backups and cached copies of the previous revision, but I am not quite sure. You're right. 'svn blame', for instance, retrieves the history from the repository. So it's not as bad as it could be... but that 700M number was from a ports tree checkout. My source checkout shows 869M in .svn. That's a pretty large chunk of bandwidth for data that is useless to someone who just wants to do a buildworld, as opposed to actually working on the source. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, pete wright wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all the current files, but it copies all of them every time, not just the changes. yea i agree with you. i wonder if it would be worth the effort of sharing a svn export via rsync or httpd to make fetching delta's easier and/or more efficient from a base install? It's an interesting idea. If the repository files were directly accessible in a filesystem, that filesystem could be shared with rsyncd and some exclude settings without needing an export at all. With svn bdb, the files are not directly accessible, but I don't know for fsfs. Probably not, so a periodic export would still be required. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:44:46 +0200 Stas Verberkt articulated: We should not be forgetting that Git and Subversion represent two different workflows. The latter stands for a centralistic development cycle, and the former for a distributed manner. Thus, this type of choice does not really have to do with big or small steps and leading of following, but more about the production cycle you want to have. If we were to use a Git-like system, the releng team would (probably) be in control on which patches are excepted from the pool of suggested changesets by the community of developers. This community would be more free in the manner in which they experiment, and there would be a less strong differentiation between committers and other people suggesting updates. On the other hand, our current approach has a controlled group of committers and the releng team only has the additional power of setting the schedule and taking the snapshot that becomes the release. (Gravely simplified.) It is a matter of taste. On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite heavy-weight. I found the information at this URL http://wiki.freebsd.org/GitConversion quite interesting, especially the numbers under the Speed Comparisons heading at the end. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Warren Block writes: You're right. 'svn blame', for instance, retrieves the history from the repository. So it's not as bad as it could be... but that 700M number was from a ports tree checkout. My source checkout shows 869M in .svn. That's a pretty large chunk of bandwidth for data that is useless to someone who just wants to do a buildworld, as opposed to actually working on the source. Having no idea about what's inside the black box ... it would be nice to be able to specify a default level of commit retireval with overrides on a per-subtree basis. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Stas == Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl writes: Stas On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete Stas repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite Stas heavy-weight. The entire history of the Linux kernel since switching to git 5 years ago is stored in a repo that is *less than half the size* of a single current checkout. The entire history of the XFree86 project ended up being a repo that was only 2-3 times the size of the current checkout. Seriously, don't be afraid of git simply because it has all the history. SVN is already worse because it has a single local backup copy for every live file, 2x right there. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On 18-09-2012 14:00, Michael Sierchio wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. ;-) I have both a git and svn checkout of FreeBSD current and while git contains the full history it takes up less disk space (about 30%): 540M.git 759M.svn signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What replaces csup?
Hi, Reference: From: Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com Reply-to: Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500 Message-id: D97788AE24B7FFB0C79AA6FB@localhost Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion will become part of base in 9.x.) No. Reporting what I read today in a...@freebsd.org : Subject: Re: Fallout from the CVS discussion ... Summary: some say subversion is changing too fast, they'll leave in ports. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion will become part of base in 9.x.) 9.1-RC1 here. Subversion is still in ports at the moment. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
--On September 17, 2012 11:23:09 PM + Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion will become part of base in 9.x.) 9.1-RC1 here. Subversion is still in ports at the moment. Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. George Orwell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and actually fetching them). At this level of discussion they are mutually exclusive. I have switched from csup to subversion for ports and docs. After modest preparation it was essentially painless. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
--On September 17, 2012 8:42:33 PM -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and actually fetching them). At this level of discussion they are mutually exclusive. I have switched from csup to subversion for ports and docs. After modest preparation it was essentially painless. Are these modest preparations documented somewhere? Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them. George Orwell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and actually fetching them). At this level of discussion they are mutually exclusive. I have switched from csup to subversion for ports and docs. After modest preparation it was essentially painless. The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all the current files, but it copies all of them every time, not just the changes. An svnup program was under development, but I don't know the present status. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On September 17, 2012 8:42:33 PM -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and actually fetching them). At this level of discussion they are mutually exclusive. I have switched from csup to subversion for ports and docs. After modest preparation it was essentially painless. Are these modest preparations documented somewhere? For source, save any local diffs somewhere, delete /usr/src, install svn from ports, svn checkout the version you want, patch from the diffs. Same for docs. Example checkout of 9-STABLE: svn checkout svn://svn0.us-west.FreeBSD.org/base/stable/9 /usr/src For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. After that, it's just svn up to update the appropriate directory. If something changes in the archive that conflicts with local patches, svn will let you know and try to help merge the remote and local changes. Example update of source checked out as above: svn up /usr/src ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What replaces csup?
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and actually fetching them). At this level of discussion they are mutually exclusive. I have switched from csup to subversion for ports and docs. After modest preparation it was essentially painless. The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all the current files, but it copies all of them every time, not just the changes. yea i agree with you. i wonder if it would be worth the effort of sharing a svn export via rsync or httpd to make fetching delta's easier and/or more efficient from a base install? -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org @nomadlogicLA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are negative permissions?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Gary Aitken free...@dreamchaser.orgwrote: Can someone explainn to me what negative group permissions are? In what context, sir? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are negative permissions?
On 16/09/2012 19:57, Gary Aitken wrote: Can someone explainn to me what negative group permissions are? It's where the group ownership of a file gives it fewer permissions than are allowed for the world in general. Suppose you have a file with these permissions and ownership: foo bar -rwx---r-x The owner -- foo -- has full read, write and execute permissions on the file. Anyone has read and execute permissions. But the group -- bar -- has no permissions. Now, logically, you might think that the world permissions would override the lack of group permissions, but in fact, that's not what happens. Permissions like that mean 'everyone *except* members of group bar can read and execute this. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: What are negative permissions?
El día Sunday, September 16, 2012 a las 08:37:48PM +0100, Matthew Seaman escribió: It's where the group ownership of a file gives it fewer permissions than are allowed for the world in general. Suppose you have a file with these permissions and ownership: foo bar -rwx---r-x ... So far so good (and correct) the theory. But, could you imagine a real world example where this makes any sense? thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are negative permissions?
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El día Sunday, September 16, 2012 a las 08:37:48PM +0100, Matthew Seaman escribió: It's where the group ownership of a file gives it fewer permissions than are allowed for the world in general. Suppose you have a file with these permissions and ownership: foo bar -rwx---r-x ... So far so good (and correct) the theory. But, could you imagine a real world example where this makes any sense? Group permissions are rather blunt, and if you want fine-grained access controls, you'll need to enable ACLs. However... Imagine, if you will, a group entitled guest, with the semantics you might normally associate with that name - then using negative group permissions on a directory effectively prevents traversal beyond that point for members of that group. - M ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are negative permissions?
Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El dia Sunday, September 16, 2012 a las 08:37:48PM +0100, Matthew Seaman escribio: It's where the group ownership of a file gives it fewer permissions than are allowed for the world in general. Suppose you have a file with these permissions and ownership: foo bar -rwx---r-x ... So far so good (and correct) the theory. But, could you imagine a real world example where this makes any sense? Group permissions are rather blunt, and if you want fine-grained access controls, you'll need to enable ACLs. However... Imagine, if you will, a group entitled guest, with the semantics you might normally associate with that name - then using negative group permissions on a directory effectively prevents traversal beyond that point for members of that group. It's also 'convenient' for an anonymous ftp 'upload' directory -- set the upload directory permissions to '-w--w-rw-' and any 'username' in the 'anonymous' group can only upload files to that directory -- can't get a directory listing, read any files, or change directory. BUT, any 'non-anonymous' user _can_ do those things. There are many kinds of special case scenarios where it is desirable to make something 'generally available' to ths users, but -deny- access to a specific group of users. Negative permissions is a simple, and simplistic, approach to the issue -- but it is a 'traditional' one, from the days before extended access-control lists. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?
On Sunday 12 August 2012 02:41:57 Bob Hall wrote: I'm currently on my third year with an Aten and have had no problems. I've been using a cheap Aten CS-64A 4 Port Mini KVM for nearly 6 years now with no problems. -- Mike Clarke ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote: guys, can any of you with hardware background tell me which are the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my Belkin soho 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an iogear (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? tia, gary Here I issue the obligatory admonition: Define Best. However, I have used IO-Gear KVMs, and they're serviceable. OTOH, I really prefer Avocent, if you can afford them. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?
On 8/11/2012 at 12:18 PM Gary Kline wrote: |guys, | | can any of you with hardware background tell me which are | the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my Belkin | soho 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. | | I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 | plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found | somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about | 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an | iogear (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm | switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? | | tia, | | gary | | | |-- = My requirements may not be the same as yours, but I have experiences in two brands of KVMs: IOGear and Avocent. The IOGear KVM worked well ... for a while, then quit. I was not impressed by IOGear's customer service The Avocent, though more expensive, just works and works. I now have another on my DVI monitor. It, too, works well and reliably. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:44:03PM -0400, Mike. wrote: Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:03 -0400 From: Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com Subject: Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) On 8/11/2012 at 12:18 PM Gary Kline wrote: |guys, | | can any of you with hardware background tell me which are | the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my Belkin | soho 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. | | I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 | plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found | somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about | 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an | iogear (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm | switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? | | tia, | | gary | | | |-- = My requirements may not be the same as yours, but I have experiences in two brands of KVMs: IOGear and Avocent. The IOGear KVM worked well ... for a while, then quit. I was not impressed by IOGear's customer service The Avocent, though more expensive, just works and works. I now have another on my DVI monitor. It, too, works well and reliably. to kurt, by best, I mean something that works reliably for 3 years. by chance, years ago I had a a Belkin that lasted for 6, 7 years. in 2010 I bought a dual-LED switch//+speaker that broke on port 1 in july. OR:: if *cables* can break, then the first cable broke. nobody has time to fmess around with that kind of testing. Fry's has a limited kind that are available up the way. I don't want to have t o have this guy return another busted belkin. bad enough that I have to ask my wife to return the DOA model. ijust googled for Avocent at fry's. nada. ,,,well, thanks to you both. if the same model I've got comes with an extended warrantee, maybe that's the way tto go. gary -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch?
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:18:59PM -0700, Gary Kline wrote: guys, can any of you with hardware background tell me which are the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my Belkin soho 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an iogear (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? I've used Belkins. They've been flakey. I'm currently on my third year with an Aten and have had no problems. I bought this cheap off the Internet so I don't know what they usually sell for. There was some discussion here about KVM switches just before I bought mine and everyone who mentioned Aten said good things about it. Best of luck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what 'M' is meaning?
On 30/05/2012 20:59, Eugen Konkov wrote: Hi, Freebsd-questions. 8.3-STABLE #8 r236325M what does 'M' in revision number mean? That you have local, uncommitted modifications to the /usr/src tree you compiled from. Try 'svn diff' Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
thanks for help. found it non-FreeBSD specific. just this model is not supported by available software. Thanks again On Mon, 14 May 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Wojciech Puchar writes: /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
/usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? On 05/14/2012 14:06, Wojciech Puchar wrote: seems like it is very badly made USB interface, all class data is empty, ugen1.3: ECO Pro Series UPS EVER at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0101 bDeviceClass = 0x bDeviceSubClass = 0x bDeviceProtocol = 0x bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x0403 idProduct = 0xe520 bcdDevice = 0x0400 iManufacturer = 0x0001 EVER iProduct = 0x0002 ECO Pro Series UPS iSerialNumber = 0x0003 ECOPRO00 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 FreeBSD gives only ugen interface. what (if any) software support that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
/usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb not set DEVICE as specified in comments for USB devices. can't find UPS. tried setting DEVICE to /dev/ugen1.3 - no avail. tried /usr/ports/sysutils/nut selected EVER driver, and set up /dev/ugen1.3 as port - driver fails. from what i found in linux groups it should work as USB HID device. but uhid doesn't attach. On 05/14/2012 14:06, Wojciech Puchar wrote: seems like it is very badly made USB interface, all class data is empty, ugen1.3: ECO Pro Series UPS EVER at usbus1, cfg=0 md=HOST spd=FULL (12Mbps) pwr=ON bLength = 0x0012 bDescriptorType = 0x0001 bcdUSB = 0x0101 bDeviceClass = 0x bDeviceSubClass = 0x bDeviceProtocol = 0x bMaxPacketSize0 = 0x0008 idVendor = 0x0403 idProduct = 0xe520 bcdDevice = 0x0400 iManufacturer = 0x0001 EVER iProduct = 0x0002 ECO Pro Series UPS iSerialNumber = 0x0003 ECOPRO00 bNumConfigurations = 0x0001 FreeBSD gives only ugen interface. what (if any) software support that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- No trees were killed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were terribly inconvenienced. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
Wojciech Puchar writes: /usr/ports/sysutils/apcupsd ? ? - so what to give as device? /dev/ugen1.3? set UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what software can support that UPS ?
UPSCABLE usb UPSTYPE usb My BackUPS RS 500 works fine using those and a empty DEVICE field. how your UPS shows in dmesg? It is possible this is a new/redesigned model that Apcupsd does not handle correctly. (APC is famous for not having a consistant interface, even model lines.) If so, you should post to the apcupsd mailing list where these kind of things get prompt attention. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the path of kernel build directory?
/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNELNAMEHERE/ The handbook has a very clear section on this. Good luck. On Thu, Apr 05, 2012 at 12:21:18AM -0700, saeedeh motlagh wrote: hello guys i want to install the openvswitch 1.4.0 from a linux package. the below command should be executed: ./configure --with-linux=/lib/modules/'uname -r '/build this is a linux command and i should execute the FreeBSD equivalent but i don't know how to do that. the manual says: To build the Linux kernel module, so that you can run the kernel-based switch, pass the location of the kernel build directory on --with-linux. what is kernel build directory in FreeBSD9 amd64? or how i should execute this command? yours, ___ freebsd-...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-net To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-net-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- ;s =; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the path of kernel build directory?
saeedeh motlagh saeedeh.motl...@gmail.com wrote: hello guys i want to install the openvswitch 1.4.0 from a linux package. the below command should be executed: ./configure --with-linux=/lib/modules/'uname -r '/build this is a linux command and i should execute the FreeBSD equivalent but i don't know how to do that. the manual says: To build the Linux kernel module, so that you can run the kernel-based switch, pass the location of the kernel build directory on --with-linux. what is kernel build directory in FreeBSD9 amd64? or how i should execute this command? If you have to ask, you should *NOT* attempt to build this kernel module on FreeBSD. The kernel, kernel interfaes, etc. are *DIFFERENT* between Linux and FreeBSD. signficicant sourte-code changes will VERY PROBABLY be require to get the module to (a) compile, and (b) run, in a FreeBSD environment. To do _that_ -- modifying the sources -- 'where the build directory is' is a very _minor_ incidental piece of knowlege. If you don't have that incidental knowledge, is is virtually certain, you don't have the skill set to do the required source modifications. Executive summary -- this is a DDT issue. DDT == Don't Do That!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is the path of kernel build directory?
On 04/05/12 17:21, saeedeh motlagh wrote: hello guys i want to install the openvswitch 1.4.0 from a linux package. the below command should be executed: ./configure --with-linux=/lib/modules/'uname -r '/build this is a linux command and i should execute the FreeBSD equivalent but i don't know how to do that. the manual says: To build the Linux kernel module, so that you can run the kernel-based switch, pass the location of the kernel build directory on --with-linux. what is kernel build directory in FreeBSD9 amd64? or how i should execute this command? This isn't going to work the way you think, as has been pointed out: This is _not_ linux. Its better... :) The good news is that FreeBSD can run linux programs and some other features (such as some modules), so you might want to try the emulation@ list where the linuxulator gurus hang out to get help building this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
No -- you were not imagining things. The DNS for freebsd.org was temporarily broken. It was that most impossible to remove of causes: human error. Thats good, as it means not sun spots aka EMP aka gammma :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with . Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
Julian H. Stacey writes: No -- you were not imagining things. The DNS for freebsd.org was temporarily broken. It was that most impossible to remove of causes: human error. Thats good, as it means not sun spots aka EMP aka gammma :-) Hulk _not_ eat sushi near puny human puny machine! Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:16:25 +0100 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: No -- you were not imagining things. The DNS for freebsd.org was temporarily broken. It was that most impossible to remove of causes: human error. Thats good, as it means not sun spots aka EMP aka gammma :-) Cheers, Julian Or the first ominous foreshadowing of the apocalyptic event(s) to unfold later this year, come December. :-) I mean, if FreeBSD's DNS can go down, The End must certainly be near. The falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart. The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, and so on and so forth. -- Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:39:32 -0500 Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net wrote: On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:16:25 +0100 Julian H. Stacey j...@berklix.com wrote: No -- you were not imagining things. The DNS for freebsd.org was temporarily broken. It was that most impossible to remove of causes: human error. Thats good, as it means not sun spots aka EMP aka gammma :-) Cheers, Julian Or the first ominous foreshadowing of the apocalyptic event(s) to unfold later this year, come December. :-) I mean, if FreeBSD's DNS can go down, The End must certainly be near. The falcon cannot hear the falconer. Things fall apart. The center cannot hold. Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, and so on and so forth. Let's just blame it on Bush! Everybody else does. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:36:28 -0700 Robert travelin...@cox.net wrote: Let's just blame it on Bush! Everybody else does. Are you sure it wasn't the evildoers? You know, the terrists? Maybe laying the groundwork for a nucular strike? -- Conrad J. Sabatier conr...@cox.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:36:28 -0700 Robert articulated: Let's just blame it on Bush! Everybody else does. Unless you are a right wing fascist; i.e. Limbaugh or Hannity, then you blame Obama or Clinton. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ No matter what problem you have with your computer - Its Always Microsoft's fault Corollary: If its not their fault - Blame them anyway :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What happened to FreeBSD.org DNS earlier today?
Matthew Seaman wrote: On 10/03/2012 23:41, Da Rock wrote: On 03/11/12 07:01, Mark Felder wrote: On 10.03.2012 14:43, Conrad J. Sabatier wrote: Earlier today, for a period of about 30-45 minutes or so, any attempt to connect to www.freebsd.org was yielding failed hostname lookups. Did anyone else notice this? Any word on what was causing it? I have to admit, it was rather startling at first. Do you have any further details? What are you using for DNS servers, or are you doing lookups yourself? Actually, around the same time others were reporting another site (not fbsd, which I could access easily) was broken. So maybe a dark cloud passed over? ;) No -- you were not imagining things. The DNS for freebsd.org was temporarily broken. It was that most impossible to remove of causes: human error. Cheers, Matthew Aloha, Ah, To Bad Matthew, I was going to ask if it was the pesky Solar flares. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is the FreeBSD mdoc (man) to HTML toolchain?
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:44:28PM -0500, Jason Massey wrote: Dear FreeBSD masters: I am looking to understand the toolchain that begins with an mdoc-based manual page and ends with a nice HTML file (as illustrated by http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=groff_mdocapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASEarch=defaultformat=html ). Hypothetically, were I personally attempting to convert the `groff_mdoc.7' manual page to HTML, from what I've researched the command should be: groff -mdoc -Thtml groff_mdoc.7 | tidy bsdgroff.html [1] Is the above command how the FreeBSD project produces its gorgeous HTML man pages? [2] How does one associate a link .../ CSS stylesheet with the resultant file? I cannot locate a `groff' command switch to stop it from inserting its own inline style information. == Research I've performed: I have read GROFF_MDOC(7) in its entirety. I have searched GROFF(1) and groff's [Tex]info document. Not really answering your question, but.. Take a look at textproc/mdocml as an alternative to groff (and for converting man/mdoc - html). Yuri pgpcWXvIQckku.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what are the top python books?
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ Pick the format you want. HTH. B. On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 07:39:40PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: guys, sorry if this is a re-request and a bit OT, but, it's seriously time i got myself in gear and bought or borrowed a book or CD // DVD that teaches python. i honestly do prefer ink+paper, but with one hand MIA, i need paperweights! so if there are books that can be popped into the cd/dvd drawer, that would be better. i tried to follow some seriously complex python that might not have worked on BSD. I want something that's good enough to clue me in on how to do that. Learning Python by Mark Lutz is pretty complete and in-depth introduction. But at 1100-odd pages it is quite a hefty tome, though. The followup book Programming Python by the same author covers various aspects like network programming, GUI programming et cetera. The online documentation is excellent _for the standard library_ and the _tutorial_. Also online you can find Think Python: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist, which is a nice introduction Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what are the top python books?
sorry if this is a re-request and a bit OT, but, it's seriously time i got myself in gear and bought or borrowed a book or CD // DVD that teaches python. If you want to learn python, first subscribe to the python tutor mailing list. It's pretty much just like the FreeBSD list. In fact, I think it uses the same exact software to run it and is configured on about the same schedule. (List reminders come the same day.) tu...@python.org Next, the best book I've ever read on python was Python Essential Reference by David M. Beazley. It's a very dry book but he covers just about everything in the most concise way possible. For a more basic introduction to the subject I would look at www.diveintopython.net (The guy gives away his entire book online - And it's pretty good! He's also a frequenter of the python tutor list.) Once you get into the flow of things, look at www.pythonchallenge.com it makes you use the language to solve problems in an interesting way. Then, once you have mad skills check out http://projecteuler.net/ Good luck! -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what are the top python books?
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 07:39:40PM -0800, Gary Kline wrote: guys, sorry if this is a re-request and a bit OT, but, it's seriously time i got myself in gear and bought or borrowed a book or CD // DVD that teaches python. i honestly do prefer ink+paper, but with one hand MIA, i need paperweights! so if there are books that can be popped into the cd/dvd drawer, that would be better. i tried to follow some seriously complex python that might not have worked on BSD. I want something that's good enough to clue me in on how to do that. Learning Python by Mark Lutz is pretty complete and in-depth introduction. But at 1100-odd pages it is quite a hefty tome, though. The followup book Programming Python by the same author covers various aspects like network programming, GUI programming et cetera. The online documentation is excellent _for the standard library_ and the _tutorial_. Also online you can find Think Python: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist, which is a nice introduction Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpLm2m1D7PPk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what is a correct way to build ports with clang
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:40:18PM +0200, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: Hi all. I recently stumbled upon minor inconsistency when building misc/mc. The build goes well when CPP is unset or when CPP=clang -E, but fails when CPP=clang-cpp: /tmp/ports/usr/ports/misc/mc/work/mc-4.7.5.5/config.log: configure:23603: checking for slang.h configure:23618: clang-cpp -ltermcap -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib conftest.c Stack dump: 0. Program arguments: clang-cpp -ltermcap -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib conftest.c 1. Compilation construction 2. Building compilation actions configure:23618: $? = 139 What is the correct way to build ports with clang? Wiki states that CPP should be set to clang-cpp for everyone however this doesn't work here. This can be reduced to just `clang-cpp -lanything` and I guess it's a bug... Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: what is a correct way to build ports with clang
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 03:04:37PM +0400, Yuri Pankov wrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:40:18PM +0200, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: Hi all. I recently stumbled upon minor inconsistency when building misc/mc. The build goes well when CPP is unset or when CPP=clang -E, but fails when CPP=clang-cpp: /tmp/ports/usr/ports/misc/mc/work/mc-4.7.5.5/config.log: configure:23603: checking for slang.h configure:23618: clang-cpp -ltermcap -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib conftest.c Stack dump: 0. Program arguments: clang-cpp -ltermcap -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include -L/usr/lib conftest.c 1. Compilation construction 2. Building compilation actions configure:23618: $? = 139 What is the correct way to build ports with clang? Wiki states that CPP should be set to clang-cpp for everyone however this doesn't work here. This can be reduced to just `clang-cpp -lanything` and I guess it's a bug... And it seems to be http://www.llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=11581. Yuri ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What unix program for a check the kernel file?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 14 Dec 2011, Oleg simonoff wrote: | |Hi to users of UNIX! | |What unix program is available for a check of a configuration file of the |kernel? | |I`ve got some trouble with configuration of my new kernel but i`d like to |find my mistakes myself |But if those mistakes will't be eliminated independently, i will write to you |again. | Please read the handbook - great thing to become FreeBSD guru: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html 9-th section: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel +---+ ! CANMOS ISP Network! +---+ ! Best regards ! ! Igor V. Ruzanov, network operational staff! ! e-Mail: ig...@canmos.ru ! +---+ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFO6FdRbt6QiUlK9twRApn6AJwNwevR7J1uASBVf0/5C8EWwNls5QCgr0nU xn6FF1QHSBWYDwbC1/s+a/g= =HvC4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What might be causing this during during buildworld in 7.4-STABLE ?
On 25 November 2011 17:28, Jukka A. Ukkonen j...@iki.fi wrote: I keep persistently getting this for no obvious reason... === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/makeinfo (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/info (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/infokey (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/install-info (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/texindex (installincludes) === gnu/usr.bin/texinfo/doc (installincludes) 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error Exit 2 And before anyone asks... Yes, it has been against the latest daily patches (csup), and it is still repeating after several days now. The uname -a line for the system is ... FreeBSD mjolnir 7.4-STABLE FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE #0: Sun Nov 13 18:30:46 EET 2011 r...@mjolnir.thunderbolt.fi:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Mjolnir i386 Any ideas would be welcome. Rerun without -s or -j flags so you can actually see what the error is. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On 11/12/2011 5:22 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:23:35 -0500, Allen wrote: I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend Just for Fun, A Quarter Century of Unix and also the DVD 25 Years of Berkeley Unix, and a few others mentioned already. For more details about SysV and explaination of historical contexts I may append: The magic garden explained. The internals of UNIX System 5 release 4. by Benny Goodheart James Cox. Ja Wohl! There's a BUNCH of books that explain the Historical aspect to Unix, Linux, and BSD in general, and currently, I've got quite a few. Just for Fun was the one I was talking about where Linus said he basically wanted it to beWell, I guess what FreeBSD is now. The Documentary Revolution OS is another thing to add to the list of what you can watch to learn about this. I have Revolution OS and it's a great documentary for learning how the Linux and FOSS side of things got started. The BSD part of things, has a GREAT speech by Kirk who is currently on the FreeBSD Core, so, between the fact that he's a core member, and of course the fact that he shared an office with Bill Joy, and, was one of the first people porting things for BSD while he was still at Berkeley, I think he's got a very Unique ability to tell the story. You can watch the DVD 20 Years of Berkeley Unix which you can order from his web site, as well as from BSDmall. I have it on DVD too, and it's wonderful. He starts out talking about the History of Multi User systems, and then goes into the History of Unix a little, and then, gets the History of BSD going. He then takes questions from the Audience and answers them. He's got a GREAT sense of Humor, and my Wife and I watch this all the time. He's really funny, and makes you want to watch it. So, basically, for Documentaries, you have Revolution OS, and the DVD by Kirk, and then in the books area, you have Just for Fun and A Quarter Century of Unix that will explain basically every aspect of the Historical side of things. I'd recommend both books, and both videos to anyone. I'm interested in History, so these were obvious buys for me. Also of interest, is The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey. He does a wonderful job with those books. I have the Third edition I got when I bought The BSD PowerPak from a Best Buy Electronics store which came with FreeBSD 4.0, and the Tool Kit CDs, and then I bought the 4th Edition Book by itself from FreeBSDMall, and they go into some decent detail on Unix, BSD, and even some info about DOS. Buy those if you can. The books are a bit pricey, but well worth it. -Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What is current VIMAGE status?
I'm sorry it's about VIMAGE option. -- Eir Nym On 14 November 2011 02:52, Eir Nym eir...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it in NOTES for LINT and amd64/i386 arch, but it's possible to turn it on. Can I consider that this option is currently experimental and shouldn't be used critical places? -- Eir Nym ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On 10/31/2011 3:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, Um, no BSD was a version of Unix that was done at Berkeley. They were one of the first Universities to REALLY get work done with Unix adding things that we all now take for granted (Vi, TCP/IP, more) and basically came out with this BSD which was in very high demand and VERY popular. It, in my mind, was better than the ATT Unix. Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was SunOS. Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux includes more new hardware, but I mean as is within management technologies, security, etc. .. PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in relation to performance, ports are not very fast. I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend Just for Fun, A Quarter Century of Unix and also the DVD 25 Years of Berkeley Unix, and a few others mentioned already. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
