Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Harald Weis ha...@free.fr wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 03:04:00PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). It's not the cleanest solution, but at least, I don't have to clutter my FreeBSD system with A LOT of Linux dependencies just to get a barely working Flash. -cpghost. I followed your advice when I discovered your message. No problem to install the opensolaris guest and the flash player. Video seems okay, but there is no sound and I cannot find out why. Needless to say that audio works fine on the host which is still on 8.0-RELEASE-p4 for the time being. I can't imagine that this could be the reason. Yes, I remember there was a sound problem with the last official release of OpenSolaris (2009.06). But this was not related to VirtualBox, it was a configuration issue with OpenSolaris itself. I installed OSS drivers manually in osol, and that fixed the problem for me. I guess that updating or installing a newer snv version would help, even without having to mess around with OSS. The latest snv would thus be snv_147 on OpenIndiana, but I haven't tested it yet: http://openindiana.org/download/ Good luck. ;-) Thank you in advance for any help. Harald Weis -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 03:04:00PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). It's not the cleanest solution, but at least, I don't have to clutter my FreeBSD system with A LOT of Linux dependencies just to get a barely working Flash. -cpghost. I followed your advice when I discovered your message. No problem to install the opensolaris guest and the flash player. Video seems okay, but there is no sound and I cannot find out why. Needless to say that audio works fine on the host which is still on 8.0-RELEASE-p4 for the time being. I can't imagine that this could be the reason. Thank you in advance for any help. Harald Weis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
As much as I am now a no-user of Flash, allow me the following comments. On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:49:56 -0600, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger audience. Keeping things in Flash is a no-go. A main problem of Flash is that is isn't compatible with the upcoming trend to move to portable devices. Only HTML5 and compliant browsers will be present on those platforms, and those who keep their sites in Flash will be out of scope soon. HTML5 will be the future; Flash already is the past. Soon, it won't be important anymore. Conforming to standards will be the key to all those new platforms that customers are interested in. Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. I had been using Flash in the past (on FreeBSD). It was so annoying that I finally completely removed it. It has become *the* choice of professional web developers to make their sites unusable and finally unaccessible, as well as a big annoyance of users, primarily due to its sheer overuse for advertising purposes. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Quoting Polytropon free...@edvax.de: As much as I am now a no-user of Flash, allow me the following comments. On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:49:56 -0600, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying it won't charge royalties for free uses of some of it's patents several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. audience. Keeping things in Flash is a no-go. A main problem of Flash is that is isn't compatible with the upcoming trend to move to portable devices. Only HTML5 and compliant browsers will be present on those platforms, and those who keep their sites in Flash will be out of scope soon. I've only seen some examples of HTML5 sites. My own reluctance to start coding with it is the fact that it's still open to tons of change. HTML5 will be the future; Flash already is the past. Soon, it won't be important anymore. Conforming to standards will be the key to all those new platforms that customers are interested in. You mean the ones who don't mind being told what's best for them (think iPad)? Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. I had been using Flash in the past (on FreeBSD). It was so annoying that I finally completely removed it. It has become *the* choice of professional web developers to make their sites unusable and finally unaccessible, as well as a big annoyance of users, primarily due to its sheer overuse for advertising purposes. I never use flash where I'm able to avoid it. I have one client wanting to use it for a simple transition (with affects) on one spot in the front page. I personally won't use the stuff for website development and disallow those sorts of ads. Until HTML5 support is universal in all browser ports (there was mention of that not being the case) talk of HTML5 video verges on the pointless. Yes, Flash is old news and has been for a while. Yes, Flash is not portable because Adobe is a jerk and many mobile/portable device makers won't support it. But that's all irregardless to the OPs question of bugginess on FreeBSD. If the Linux emulation isn't enough and there is no option but to switch to an entirely different platform, why even provide such an option? Linux emulation takes up a lot of resources (space wise on the drive). -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Programmer in Training wrote: Quoting Polytropon free...@edvax.de: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:49:56 -0600, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying it won't charge royalties for free uses of some of it's patents several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. And Mozilla won't use H264. Also add into the mix that Google has just bought VP8 and open sourced it. Mozilla supports VP8 but Apple is already dissing it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/may/20/apple-steve-jobs-vp8-patent So I think we have a very long way to go before we can stop using flash for web based video. (According to wikipedia Theora is a fork of VP3 which the developer On2 released some time ago. VP6 made into macromedia flash codec. So On2's codecs have a long history of video on the web.) won't support it. But that's all irregardless to the OPs question of bugginess on FreeBSD. If the Linux emulation isn't enough and there is no option but to switch to an entirely different platform, why even provide such an option? Linux emulation takes up a lot of resources (space wise on the drive). Flash video works absolutely fine here and there is a lot of great content and interesting and entertaining material out there. I'm really grateful to the FreeBSD developers for getting it working so well :) FreeBSD muji2.config 8.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Mar 24 11:51:43 GMT 2010 r...@muji2.config:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 firefox-3.5.8,1 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r42 flashblock 1.5.13 # This may be a critical feature of a successful flash intallation. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:51:40 -0600 Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: Quoting Polytropon free...@edvax.de: That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying it won't charge royalties for free uses of some of it's patents several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. As I understand it, originally Ogg Theora was going to be the standard, but it's now been left open instead due to uncertainty about Theora infringing patents. Some sites are using Theora, but most seem to be going with h.264. I presume that this is due to IE support for h.264. I believe Google are going with h.264 and a newer BSD licensed codec they are sponsoring themselves as an open-source, patent-free alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
RW wrote: [snip] As I understand it, originally Ogg Theora was going to be the standard, but it's now been left open instead due to uncertainty about Theora infringing patents. Some sites are using Theora, but most seem to be going with h.264. I presume that this is due to IE support for h.264. I believe Google are going with h.264 and a newer BSD licensed codec they are sponsoring themselves as an open-source, patent-free alternative. http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=292 Google wants to promote it's VP8, which is at this point clearly inferior to h.264. Browser wars turned Codec wars. We, the users are always overlooked and no consideration given by those who wear the suits and ties. And the arguing points they utilize within their 'decision by committee' process are usually a distorted view of non-reality. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Theora vs h.264 [Was Re: concerning flash under freebsd]
Quoting RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com: On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:51:40 -0600 Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: Quoting Polytropon free...@edvax.de: That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying it won't charge royalties for free uses of some of it's patents several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. As I understand it, originally Ogg Theora was going to be the standard, but it's now been left open instead due to uncertainty about Theora infringing patents. Some sites are using Theora, but most seem to be going with h.264. I presume that this is due to IE support for h.264. It's quite possible if the h.264 patents are really as extensive and broad as mpeg-la claims (also, if they are so overly broad, they need to be invalidated as patents are for specific inventions). I believe Google are going with h.264 and a newer BSD licensed codec they are sponsoring themselves as an open-source, patent-free alternative. I thought Google was going with VP8 (as was mentioned earlier)? I have a friend or two on the HTML5WG mailing list as the source of a good deal of my info. -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Quoting Chris Whitehouse cwhi...@onetel.com: Programmer in Training wrote: Quoting Polytropon free...@edvax.de: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:49:56 -0600, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: snip That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying it won't charge royalties for free uses of some of it's patents several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. And Mozilla won't use H264. Also add into the mix that Google has just bought VP8 and open sourced it. Mozilla supports VP8 but Apple is already dissing it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/may/20/apple-steve-jobs-vp8-patent So I think we have a very long way to go before we can stop using flash for web based video. Entirely my point. (According to wikipedia Theora is a fork of VP3 which the developer On2 released some time ago. VP6 made into macromedia flash codec. So On2's codecs have a long history of video on the web.) That would seem to be supported by the Theora website[0]. won't support it. But that's all irregardless to the OPs question of bugginess on FreeBSD. If the Linux emulation isn't enough and there is no option but to switch to an entirely different platform, why even provide such an option? Linux emulation takes up a lot of resources (space wise on the drive). Flash video works absolutely fine here and there is a lot of great content and interesting and entertaining material out there. I'm really grateful to the FreeBSD developers for getting it working so well :) FreeBSD muji2.config 8.0-RELEASE-p2 FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE-p2 #0: Wed Mar 24 11:51:43 GMT 2010 r...@muji2.config:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 firefox-3.5.8,1 linux-f10-flashplugin-10.0r42 flashblock 1.5.13 # This may be a critical feature of a successful flash intallation. Aside from npviewer not killing itself on exit and some sync issues, I've not had any problems, either. The need for Linux emulation, though, still stinks (mostly from a disk space pov). [0]: http://www.theora.org/faq/#VP3 -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:32:21 +0200 Samuel Martín Moro faus...@gmail.com articulated: Their last Linux release only exists for x86. Two ArchLinux mailinglists are advising users about uninstalling Flash from our systems. Flash is hardly working on BSD. And often bug on Linux. I spent one month, for my work, trying to correct a few of those crashes (we provide FreeBSD servers, our administrative intranet uses Flash sockets). Well, nspluginwrapper source is a complete mindfuck. Just wait for newer releases, and check if what you need works. For now, HTML5 is about to replace it, spreading on YoutubeCo., and we still did not knew a working version of Flash under Linux. The day Adobe would provide compatible softwares, they may speak about supporting Linux/Solaris... Until that, the cleanest way to proceed, is to setup a Windows VM... FreeBSD in general suffers from a multiple of problems when it comes to Internet usage. Flash support, as noted, sucks. JAVA doesn't even exist for the latest versions of Firefox. Getting sound to work properly and consistently with web browsers can be a nightmare in itself. PDF is not consistent between browsers and usually requires way to much effort to get installed. If the past is any indication, when HTML5 becomes a reality, something that some experts claim may not be for another 10 years, FreeBSD may not even support it for some archaic reason. Until FreeBSD can overcome these obstacles, anyone who requires access to all the available features found on web sites really needs to keep another PC handy running, in most cases anyway, Microsoft. Like it or not, their web browser, and some other browsers ported to their architecture, outperform web browsers on other OSs in total functionality. Undoubtedly, posters will be blaming everyone else for these misgivings; when in reality, to find the source of a problem one needs usually only look in a mirror. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Detroit is Cleveland without the glitter. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). It's not the cleanest solution, but at least, I don't have to clutter my FreeBSD system with A LOT of Linux dependencies just to get a barely working Flash. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:04:00 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). Windows Flash+Firefox under Wine works for me, I installed it when FreeBSD Flash was completely broken. I've never gone back because the inconvenience of occasionally having to switch browsers, is not as bad as having flash all the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 3:53 PM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:04:00 +0200 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Programmer in Training p...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us wrote: I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Good luck with that. Adobe doesn't care about FreeBSD. Never did, and probably never will. They don't even care about 64-bit Linux users... If you absolutely need Flash on FreeBSD, I'd suggest you install VirtualBox, and inside VirtualBox a Flash-supported OS, like OpenSolaris (that's what I do when I absolutely need Flash support). Windows Flash+Firefox under Wine works for me, I installed it when FreeBSD Flash was completely broken. I've never gone back because the inconvenience of occasionally having to switch browsers, is not as bad as having flash all the time. Ah, good to know. I'm using FreeBSD/amd64, that's why I didn't think of Wine (IIRC, it's only for i386). -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
concerning flash under freebsd
hi there, why is flash still causing such problems under freebsd? i've been having the same issues for years nows: - browser tabs freeze completely - `ps` reports a lot of nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin processes - nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin coredumps i read that the cause for this is a buggy implementation of the linux futex emulation. when will this get fixed? almost everyone who uses flash under freebsd has something like this in his ~/.profile: alias killflash='pkill -9 npviewer.bin ; rm -f ~/npviewer.bin.core'; cheers. alex -- Alexander Best ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Jun 15 2010 22:55, Alexander Best wrote: hi there, why is flash still causing such problems under freebsd? i've been having the same issues for years nows: - browser tabs freeze completely - `ps` reports a lot of nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin processes - nspluginwrapper/npviewer.bin coredumps i read that the cause for this is a buggy implementation of the linux futex emulation. when will this get fixed? almost everyone who uses flash under freebsd has something like this in his ~/.profile: alias killflash='pkill -9 npviewer.bin ; rm -f ~/npviewer.bin.core'; cheers. alex My alias for killflash is Don't install it. Flash is buggy software on any platform. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com | http://chipsquips.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Quoting Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com: snip My alias for killflash is Don't install it. Flash is buggy software on any platform. snip While that may be, try telling that to your 4 yr old nephew who likes to play those flash based games on PBS Kids. Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Programmer in Training wrote: [ ... ] While that may be, try telling that to your 4 yr old nephew who likes to play those flash based games on PBS Kids. Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Quoting Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Programmer in Training wrote: [ ... ] While that may be, try telling that to your 4 yr old nephew who likes to play those flash based games on PBS Kids. Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. Regards, -- -Chuck I had little of the problems described in the original post (aside from needing an alias for killing flash, I never actually thought of making one until now). It doesn't change the fact that Don't install it. isn't a valid option. I also take issue with the well use a supported OS schtick. I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Who's with me? -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Their last Linux release only exists for x86. Two ArchLinux mailinglists are advising users about uninstalling Flash from our systems. Flash is hardly working on BSD. And often bug on Linux. I spent one month, for my work, trying to correct a few of those crashes (we provide FreeBSD servers, our administrative intranet uses Flash sockets). Well, nspluginwrapper source is a complete mindfuck. Just wait for newer releases, and check if what you need works. For now, HTML5 is about to replace it, spreading on YoutubeCo., and we still did not knew a working version of Flash under Linux. The day Adobe would provide compatible softwares, they may speak about supporting Linux/Solaris... Until that, the cleanest way to proceed, is to setup a Windows VM... Samuel Martín Moro CamTrace S.A.S Remember, the problem is not that people are stupid; the problem is that modems are cheap. Vince Sabio On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Programmer in Training wrote: [ ... ] While that may be, try telling that to your 4 yr old nephew who likes to play those flash based games on PBS Kids. Almost all Internet video has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net which my church uses). Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but Don't install it. is not an option for a lot of people. Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Programmer in Training wrote: Quoting Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com: Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. I had little of the problems described in the original post (aside from needing an alias for killing flash, I never actually thought of making one until now). It doesn't change the fact that Don't install it. isn't a valid option. Evidently so, for some people. I also take issue with the well use a supported OS schtick. I'm not sure that last word means what you think it means. Try reading Adobe's EULA: 3.1 General Use. You may install and Use one copy of the Software on your Compatible Computer. See Section 4 for important restrictions on the Use of the Software. 3.2 Server Use. This agreement does not permit you to install or Use the Software on a computer file server. For information on Use of Software on a computer file server please refer to [ ... ] 4.1 Adobe Runtime Restrictions. You will not Use any Adobe Runtime on any non-PC device or with any embedded or device version of any operating system. For the avoidance of doubt, and by example only, you may not Use an Adobe Runtime on any (a) mobile device, set top box (STB), handheld, phone, game console, TV, DVD player, media center (other than with Windows XP Media Center Edition and its successors), electronic billboard or other digital signage, Internet appliance or other Internet-connected device, PDA, medical device, ATM, telematic device, gaming machine, home automation system, kiosk, remote control device, or any other consumer electronics device, (b) operator-based mobile, cable, satellite, or television system or (c) other closed system device. No right or license to Use any Adobe Runtime is granted for such prohibited uses. Are you running Samba or NFS filesharing? Or is your machine a mini-ITX box which might be considered an Internet-connected device rather than a normal PC? There's a reason why the FreeBSD precompiled packages can't include Flash-- the project is forbidden from redistributing it. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
Quoting Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com: Please see last line of sig. On Jun 15, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Programmer in Training wrote: Quoting Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com: Adobe supports Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and Solaris (from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions ). If it is important to you that Flash works well, you should either persuade Adobe to provide a FreeBSD version, or you should switch to using one of the platforms on which Flash is supported. I had little of the problems described in the original post (aside from needing an alias for killing flash, I never actually thought of making one until now). It doesn't change the fact that Don't install it. isn't a valid option. Evidently so, for some people. I also take issue with the well use a supported OS schtick. I'm not sure that last word means what you think it means. Try reading Adobe's EULA: 3.1 General Use. You may install and Use one copy of the Software on your Compatible Computer. See Section 4 for important restrictions on the Use of the Software. 3.2 Server Use. This agreement does not permit you to install or Use the Software on a computer file server. For information on Use of Software on a computer file server please refer to [ ... ] 4.1 Adobe Runtime Restrictions. You will not Use any Adobe Runtime on any non-PC device or with any embedded or device version of any operating system. For the avoidance of doubt, and by example only, you may not Use an Adobe Runtime on any (a) mobile device, set top box (STB), handheld, phone, game console, TV, DVD player, media center (other than with Windows XP Media Center Edition and its successors), electronic billboard or other digital signage, Internet appliance or other Internet-connected device, PDA, medical device, ATM, telematic device, gaming machine, home automation system, kiosk, remote control device, or any other consumer electronics device, (b) operator-based mobile, cable, satellite, or television system or (c) other closed system device. No right or license to Use any Adobe Runtime is granted for such prohibited uses. Are you running Samba or NFS filesharing? Or is your machine a mini-ITX box which might be considered an Internet-connected device rather than a normal PC? There's a reason why the FreeBSD precompiled packages can't include Flash-- the project is forbidden from redistributing it. That's actually fairly restrictive (and retarded). Why does it have official Linux support, though? You can run Samaba or NFS filesharing on any of those (and hey, what about file-sharing amongst Windows computers?). Stupid Adobe. -- Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: concerning flash under freebsd
On Tue 15 Jun 2010 at 15:11:47 PDT Programmer in Training wrote: Don't install it. isn't a valid option. Sure it is. The fact that it's an option you don't want to accept doesn't make it invalid. I also take issue with the well use a supported OS schtick. I will tell Adobe to provide a FreeBSD-native release, though it would be nice to know I won't be the only one. I'm actually going right now to do so. Who's with me? Actually, you're starting down a well-trodden path. Many people have already asked Adobe for a FreeBSD-native release, and Adobe has never seen fit to do so. The FreeBSD desktop market is apparently too small to make it worth their while. That's a perfectly valid position for them to take, no matter how much we might dislike it. And Use a supported OS if you want Flash isn't a schtick. It's eminently practical advice, from people who have tried but don't see any way the situation on FreeBSD is likely to change. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
