Re: mail server
11.06.2012 16:33, Bahaa Babekir пишет: I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step I'd suggest to begin with: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:55:08AM +0400, Boris Samorodov wrote: 11.06.2012 16:33, Bahaa Babekir ??: I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step I'd suggest to begin with: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.html Yes, read the handbook first and then ask specific questions. You need to do your homework. This shotgun style of question will not get much useful response. But, making a mail server with FreeBSD is so easy. Unless you want to do something weird or exotic, then FreeBSD already comes with a good mail server all installed. All you have to do it enable it.Put sendmail_enable=yes in /etc/rc.conf and the next time you reboot you have the most common mail server running. It will receive and send Email just fine. Then you might want to install mutt from /usr/ports/mail/mutt or some other Email client to help you read your Email. Of course, you could just use the already installed 'mail' utility. If you must have a web-based Email reader, try installing squirrelmail. jerry -- WBR, Boris Samorodov (bsam) FreeBSD Committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
mail server
I want to sent me configuration to build mail server step by step -- bahaa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
mail server config
I'm getting ready to install a new mail server. I want to configure sendmail+clamav+spamassassin+mimedefang. Does anyone have some pointers or howto docs to share? I read somewhere that spamassassin-milter has security issues. Is mime-defang a better option or should I consider something else. Any help is appreciated. TIA ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server config
I'm getting ready to install a new mail server. I want to configure sendmail+clamav+spamassassin+**mimedefang. I believe postfix is considered to be much more secure and better then sendmail overall. I have a mail server and find that postfix was pretty easy to setup and configure. In addition, it is easy to manage with qshape, which installs along with Postfix. The Postfix website has great documentation if you are interested in going this route: http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html -Walt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
Dear Chuk, Im almost there.. Im trying to tweak local.cf (the spamassassin configuration file) to trust SMTP logins.. and Im kinda lost. I donot use postfix. I use sendmail + spamassassin. FBSD 7.2 Now to avoid the 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MXDelivered direct to MX with OE headers error.. shall i add my domains MX records to local.cf as trusted_networks mail.domain.com or as internal_networks mail.domain.com ? Or its something else! I would appreciate your help. - Marwan On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) When someone is an authorized user of email, ie, they login to your SMTP server via a good username+password, then you should configure your spam filtering to treat them as trusted. For example, in postfix you could have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, [ ...before checks like... ] check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:12525, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10023, Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On Oct 24, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: [ ... ] Now to avoid the 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MXDelivered direct to MX with OE headers error.. shall i add my domains MX records to local.cf as trusted_networks mail.domain.com or as internal_networks mail.domain.com ? Please see: http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.3.x/doc/Mail_SpamAssassin_Conf.html#network_test_options http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/TrustPath Why should trusted_networks and internal_networks ever be different? A mail relay that you want to trust in trusted_networks may itself trust its own internal dynamic IP networks. You may trust them not to be a spam source but putting them into your internal_networks list would create a false positive because then those dynamic IPs would be searched for in the DUL lists. This is an example where the two lists need to be different. If need be, also consider whitelist_from_rcvd (or maybe whitelist_auth if you implement SPF or DKIM). I'm also told that something like: meta AUTHD_RELAY !__LAST_UNTRUSTED_RELAY_NO_AUTH describe AUTHD_RELAY Message submission was via an authenticated user score AUTHD_RELAY -10 I believe there is even an optional patch in the spamass-milter port: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/spamass-milter/files/extra-patch-addauth?rev=1.2 ...but it is probably better to just tweak the scoring a bit. Or switch to using amavisd-new, which could allow greater flexibility also Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Oct 23 17:45:25 2010 From: Marwan Sultan dead_l...@hotmail.com To: m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 22:46:40 + Cc: FreeBSD Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: My mail server flagged spam! Dear Dr. Matthew.=2C =20 When my client or any clients uses the web mail that i have configured= =2C=20 then everything works fine NO spam problems and email will be received by hotmail=2C gmail and vise versa. =20 I found out that this particular client complaining because they use outlook express NOT the web mail. =20 they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. =20 even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server=2C I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) =20 looking at spam log=2C and why its scored as spam.. here is a copy. =20 pts rule name description=20 -- ---= ---=20 0.9 RCVD_IN_PBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus PBL=20 [95.66.68.100 listed in zen.spamhaus.org]=20 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message=20 0.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60%=20 [score: 0.5019]=20 2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIOBODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO=20 0.1 RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no r= DNS=20 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MX Delivered direct to MX with OE headers=20 =20 =20 As you see 2.8 for DOS_OE_TO_MX and 2.2 for TVD_SPACE_RATIO =20 I have looked for DOS_OE_TO_MX and it says because client is sending directly to MX records? well! i asked them to use mail.server_name.com for income/outgoing for outlook express..but still the same error and email is scored as spam. =20 Any help is highly appreciate it. lots of stuff is mis-configured. If you have people outside your network addresses trying to send mail through your server, you need to be running a 'mail submission agent' on port 587, as well as the MTA on port 25. If you're not doing this already, you'll have to set it up. Since this access is password protected, and available only to your 'trusted' users, it does -not- need spam-filtering on it. (usually, that is -- you know your customers better than we do :) *AND* the client using Outlook Express needs to configure _it_ to use your server *on*port*587* as the 'outgoing mail server'. This will require entering 'authentication' information (username and password) into Outlook Express. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
Marwan Sultan dead_l...@hotmail.com writes: Hello list.. Well! im kinda lost here.. I have like 8 domains hosted in my server. FreeBSD 7.2R, (...) I have few customers complaining that thier emails (...) Anyhints please? Well, i think you should move to Google Apps. It's very safe, reliable. And several big guns use it. An example is below: URL:https://mail.google.com/a/berkeley.edu Sincerely, -- 소여물 황병희(黃炳熙) | .. 출항 15분전.. Consult the best lawyers on criminal law. -- Vito Corleone, Chapter 20, page 296 pgphcuOcb8fXK.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: My mail server flagged spam!
Dear Dr. Matthew., When my client or any clients uses the web mail that i have configured, then everything works fine NO spam problems and email will be received by hotmail, gmail and vise versa. I found out that this particular client complaining because they use outlook express NOT the web mail. they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) looking at spam log, and why its scored as spam.. here is a copy. pts rule name description -- -- 0.9 RCVD_IN_PBLRBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus PBL [95.66.68.100 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5019] 2.2 TVD_SPACE_RATIOBODY: TVD_SPACE_RATIO 0.1 RDNS_NONE Delivered to trusted network by a host with no rDNS 2.8 DOS_OE_TO_MX Delivered direct to MX with OE headers As you see 2.8 for DOS_OE_TO_MX and 2.2 for TVD_SPACE_RATIO I have looked for DOS_OE_TO_MX and it says because client is sending directly to MX records? well! i asked them to use mail.server_name.com for income/outgoing for outlook express..but still the same error and email is scored as spam. Any help is highly appreciate it. - Marwan Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:42:06 +0100 From: m.sea...@infracaninophile.co.uk To: dead_l...@hotmail.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My mail server flagged spam! On 21/10/2010 01:10, Marwan Sultan wrote: if I check that domain in mxtoolbox.com it complains Warning - Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner could it be the SMTP banner flagging the mail as spam? This is certainly possible. It would add spam points on my servers. The address in question is the one presented by your mail server during the SMTP dialogue -- the first line it sends in fact. Something like this: EHLO smtp.example.com By default it will use the hostname of your server, but you can override that. It is this address that you have to be really strict about: the address should resolve to the IP that the server connects via (not necessarily the IP of the server if there are NAT gateways involved), and a reverse lookup of that IP should return the name again. This name used in the EHLO banner doesn't have to be anything to do with the addresses on the e-mail, except in as far as either side is using SPF and you have chosen to add that information to the SPF selector(s). SPF seems to be going out of favour now, and sensible mail admins didn't make accept/deny decisions entirely on pass/fail of SPF tests, but still, for best results with a mail system, you should take care to get that right. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: they configure their outlook express to use SMTP user/password with mail.clinet_domain.com as incoming/outgoing. even if they send from x...@client_domain to ad...@mydomain.com both are in same server, I will still receive it as SPAM. (They are sending from outlook.) When someone is an authorized user of email, ie, they login to your SMTP server via a good username+password, then you should configure your spam filtering to treat them as trusted. For example, in postfix you could have: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, [ ...before checks like... ] check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:12525, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10023, Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
My mail server flagged spam!
Hello list.. Well! im kinda lost here.. I have like 8 domains hosted in my server. FreeBSD 7.2R, sendmail, openwebmail, spamassassin, milter all installed. I have few customers complaining that thier emails (the domain they send from) to hotmail/yahoo..etc.. flagged as spam! i have googled and found most of problems about forward, reverse DNS. for me PTR, reverse DNS matchs the domain name. all the 8 domains matchs reverse, PTR. if I check that domain in mxtoolbox.com it complains Warning - Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner could it be the SMTP banner flagging the mail as spam? ofcourse the SMTP banner matchs 1 domain out of the 8. which is my server main domain. SO if anyone sends any email from my server the SMTP banner will show my sever name. this one should not be a problem isnt? Now the case become worse! the same customers who are using that domain complaining that even if they send to the same domain name x...@domain1.com to y...@domain1.com same domain to same server.. its flagged as spam too. No, none of my domains in any black list. Anyhints please? Thank you - Marwan Sultan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote: Hello list.. Well! im kinda lost here.. I have like 8 domains hosted in my server. FreeBSD 7.2R, sendmail, openwebmail, spamassassin, milter all installed. I have few customers complaining that thier emails (the domain they send from) to hotmail/yahoo..etc.. flagged as spam! i have googled and found most of problems about forward, reverse DNS. for me PTR, reverse DNS matchs the domain name. all the 8 domains matchs reverse, PTR. Since you didn't provide an example DSN or even anonymized logs of a bounce, we can't guess-- in general you'd discuss a specific bounce message with the postmaster of site which bounced it. As for hotmail.com, they can't even be bothered to make postmaster@ work: http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/tools/lookup.php?domain=hotmail.com ...which means they're sufficiently broken that you should expect mail failures. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: My mail server flagged spam!
On 21/10/2010 01:10, Marwan Sultan wrote: if I check that domain in mxtoolbox.com it complains Warning - Reverse DNS does not match SMTP Banner could it be the SMTP banner flagging the mail as spam? This is certainly possible. It would add spam points on my servers. The address in question is the one presented by your mail server during the SMTP dialogue -- the first line it sends in fact. Something like this: EHLO smtp.example.com By default it will use the hostname of your server, but you can override that. It is this address that you have to be really strict about: the address should resolve to the IP that the server connects via (not necessarily the IP of the server if there are NAT gateways involved), and a reverse lookup of that IP should return the name again. This name used in the EHLO banner doesn't have to be anything to do with the addresses on the e-mail, except in as far as either side is using SPF and you have chosen to add that information to the SPF selector(s). SPF seems to be going out of favour now, and sensible mail admins didn't make accept/deny decisions entirely on pass/fail of SPF tests, but still, for best results with a mail system, you should take care to get that right. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:52:53AM -0400, Jerry typed: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. Unneeded. Same works with base sendmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:28:00 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. With Postfix installed and configured or just installed? I just installed. [w...@mail ~]$ ls -al /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 202361 Jul 22 17:23 /usr/local/sbin/sendmail [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bv odhia...@gmail.com postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to wash. [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -d -bv odhia...@gmail.com sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] [w...@mail ~]$ exim -bt odhia...@gmail.com odhia...@gmail.com router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.227.27] MX=5 host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.39.27] MX=10 host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.53.27] MX=20 host alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.95.27] MX=30 host alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.65.27] MX=40 I cannot post the output that comes with -d here, it's so much that trying to feed the trawl will get it chocked:-) For starters, you are using the wrong sendmail. You need to use the Postfix 'sendmail' version. $ which sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail I have Postfix installed and running. Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Typing: man sendmail should show this at the top of the page: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface If not, then something is configured incorrectly. By the way, in order to run Postfix, you have to completely shutdown the base system's 'sendmail' cat /etc/rc.conf # Shutdown sendmail sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO sendmail_outbound_enable=NO sendmail_submit_enable=NO #Start Postfix postfix_enable=YES Looks like you are trying to coax me into running Postfix! I am an Exim-er by blood :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On 23 July 2010 10:12, Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:28:00 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. With Postfix installed and configured or just installed? I just installed. [w...@mail ~]$ ls -al /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 202361 Jul 22 17:23 /usr/local/sbin/sendmail [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bv odhia...@gmail.com postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to wash. [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -d -bv odhia...@gmail.com sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] [w...@mail ~]$ exim -bt odhia...@gmail.com odhia...@gmail.com router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.227.27] MX=5 host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.39.27] MX=10 host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.53.27] MX=20 host alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.95.27] MX=30 host alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.65.27] MX=40 I cannot post the output that comes with -d here, it's so much that trying to feed the trawl will get it chocked:-) For starters, you are using the wrong sendmail. You need to use the Postfix 'sendmail' version. $ which sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail I have Postfix installed and running. Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Typing: man sendmail should show this at the top of the page: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface If not, then something is configured incorrectly. By the way, in order to run Postfix, you have to completely shutdown the base system's 'sendmail' cat /etc/rc.conf # Shutdown sendmail sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO sendmail_outbound_enable=NO sendmail_submit_enable=NO #Start Postfix postfix_enable=YES Looks like you are trying to coax me into running Postfix! I am an Exim-er by blood :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org don't do it!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:35:48PM +0100, krad typed: while we are on the topic of debugging I would recomend exim as an MTA. I manage a few large enterprise mail systems with 10M + active accounts. A lot of them are legacy systems that we gained through acquisitions. I generally have to support them until we can get the accounts migrated onto the main platform. They are a mixture of exim, postfix, qmail, and sendmail, and quite often are in a poor state when we first get our hands on them. I have to say when you are getting mail routing issues exim is by the far the easiest to debug mainly due to the -bt option. When you combine it with the debug flag it produced a very detailed output on the mail routing. I have never found such a feature in all the other MTA's above. Actually, the -bt option comes from sendmail originally ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On 22 July 2010 12:26, Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 07:35:48PM +0100, krad typed: while we are on the topic of debugging I would recomend exim as an MTA. I manage a few large enterprise mail systems with 10M + active accounts. A lot of them are legacy systems that we gained through acquisitions. I generally have to support them until we can get the accounts migrated onto the main platform. They are a mixture of exim, postfix, qmail, and sendmail, and quite often are in a poor state when we first get our hands on them. I have to say when you are getting mail routing issues exim is by the far the easiest to debug mainly due to the -bt option. When you combine it with the debug flag it produced a very detailed output on the mail routing. I have never found such a feature in all the other MTA's above. Actually, the -bt option comes from sendmail originally ;) yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. With Postfix installed and configured or just installed? I just installed. [w...@mail ~]$ ls -al /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 202361 Jul 22 17:23 /usr/local/sbin/sendmail [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bv odhia...@gmail.com postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to wash. [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -d -bv odhia...@gmail.com sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] [w...@mail ~]$ exim -bt odhia...@gmail.com odhia...@gmail.com router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.227.27] MX=5 host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.39.27] MX=10 host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.53.27] MX=20 host alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.95.27] MX=30 host alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.65.27] MX=40 I cannot post the output that comes with -d here, it's so much that trying to feed the trawl will get it chocked:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:28:00 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:32:36 +0100 krad kra...@googlemail.com articulated: yep I know exim is sendmail cli compatible, but the output from sendmail is not the same on exim (interactive prompt). You can probably get similar output from sendmail, but with most things sendmail it is archaic and obfuscated. With Postfix installed, using sendmail -bv works quite well. With Postfix installed and configured or just installed? I just installed. [w...@mail ~]$ ls -al /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 202361 Jul 22 17:23 /usr/local/sbin/sendmail [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bv odhia...@gmail.com postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to wash. [w...@mail ~]$ /usr/local/sbin/sendmail -d -bv odhia...@gmail.com sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: illegal option -- d sendmail: fatal: usage: sendmail [options] [w...@mail ~]$ exim -bt odhia...@gmail.com odhia...@gmail.com router = dnslookup, transport = remote_smtp host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [209.85.227.27] MX=5 host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.39.27] MX=10 host alt2.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.53.27] MX=20 host alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.95.27] MX=30 host alt4.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [74.125.65.27] MX=40 I cannot post the output that comes with -d here, it's so much that trying to feed the trawl will get it chocked:-) For starters, you are using the wrong sendmail. You need to use the Postfix 'sendmail' version. $ which sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail I have Postfix installed and running. Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Typing: man sendmail should show this at the top of the page: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface If not, then something is configured incorrectly. By the way, in order to run Postfix, you have to completely shutdown the base system's 'sendmail' cat /etc/rc.conf # Shutdown sendmail sendmail_enable=NO sendmail_msp_queue_enable=NO sendmail_outbound_enable=NO sendmail_submit_enable=NO #Start Postfix postfix_enable=YES -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:28:54 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: For starters, you are using the wrong sendmail. You need to use the Postfix 'sendmail' version. $ which sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail I have Postfix installed and running. Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Typing: man sendmail should show this at the top of the page: NAME sendmail - Postfix to Sendmail compatibility interface On FreeBSD /usr/sbin/sendmail is a link to mailwrapper(8), which is a part of the base system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On 7/20/10, Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:03:55 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) At least Postfix is fully RFC compliant, as opposed to Exim. SEE: RFC 2034 (SMTP enhanced status codes), RFC 3461-4 (delivery status notifications), RFC 1652 (8-bit MIME including 8-7bit conversion) among others. I doubt anyone makes a choice on an MTA (or any other software) based on it's RFC-compliance. In my experience, it's normally boils down to: 1. It has the features that I want 2. I can swim with it in times of toruble I for one like to know that it is RFC compliant. it's a reason RFCs are made, so there can be standardization... So yes, I do choose based on compliance. (anyone use Firefox over IE at work because Firefox works better?) Did you get my email? no, but i get everyone elses, let's check the logs and find out why ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:54:44 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: I doubt anyone makes a choice on an MTA (or any other software) based on it's RFC-compliance. In my experience, it's normally boils down to: 1. It has the features that I want 2. I can swim with it in times of toruble Microsoft has been claiming for years that adherence to standards is not a requirement. While they are certainly entitled to their opinion, I would definitely disagree. A quick perusal of http://slashdot.org/ would tend to discredit your remark that, doubt anyone makes a choice on an MTA (or any other software) based on it's RFC-compliance statement. As always, selection of tools and their suitability to the task is left up to the end user. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ One man's constant is another man's variable. Alan J. Perlis ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. steps: a) check if your dns are correct: # dig yourdomain.com mx (eg:) mail.yourdomain.com # telnet mail.yourdomain.com 25 does it reply or not? a) reply check if your mta is cofigured correctly: telnet mail.yourdomain.com 25 # write: ehlo gmail.com mail from: aryeh.fried...@gmail.com rcpt to: example_u...@yourdomain.com data Subject: Test . does it reply with a 2XX code? with a 4XX code? 5XX code? b) doesn't reply does mail.yourdomain.com resolve to your mailserver's IP? is your daemon runnig? p.s if you give us more REAL information (domain, ip, etc) we can hel you more. -- Cris, member of G.U.F.I Italian FreeBSD User Group http://www.gufi.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On 21 July 2010 16:24, Cristiano Deana cristiano.de...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. steps: a) check if your dns are correct: # dig yourdomain.com mx (eg:) mail.yourdomain.com # telnet mail.yourdomain.com 25 does it reply or not? a) reply check if your mta is cofigured correctly: telnet mail.yourdomain.com 25 # write: ehlo gmail.com mail from: aryeh.fried...@gmail.com rcpt to: example_u...@yourdomain.com data Subject: Test . does it reply with a 2XX code? with a 4XX code? 5XX code? b) doesn't reply does mail.yourdomain.com resolve to your mailserver's IP? is your daemon runnig? p.s if you give us more REAL information (domain, ip, etc) we can hel you more. -- Cris, member of G.U.F.I Italian FreeBSD User Group http://www.gufi.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org while we are on the topic of debugging I would recomend exim as an MTA. I manage a few large enterprise mail systems with 10M + active accounts. A lot of them are legacy systems that we gained through acquisitions. I generally have to support them until we can get the accounts migrated onto the main platform. They are a mixture of exim, postfix, qmail, and sendmail, and quite often are in a poor state when we first get our hands on them. I have to say when you are getting mail routing issues exim is by the far the easiest to debug mainly due to the -bt option. When you combine it with the debug flag it produced a very detailed output on the mail routing. I have never found such a feature in all the other MTA's above. The configs are also very readable unlike sendmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Help with setting up a mail server
I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ I kind of want to slay the dragon. Let's go to work. Angel's final words. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:46:09 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Might I suggest that you supply some log entries that support your claims. It is hard to help you without actual facts. By the way, did you also try Postfix? -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ They spell it da Vinci and pronounce it da Vinchy. Foreigners always spell better than they pronounce. Mark Twain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job Hi Aryeh, Here are some things that I do to troubleshoot problems like this: - - Check if there are any firewalls (client-side or server-side) that block the ports, tcp 25/587 and tcp 110/143 in this case. If you're using POP3 or IMAP over SSL, check tcp 993 and tcp 995, too. - - Check if the listening ports are ready to accept connections with the command netstat -an | grep LISTEN. Do you see the ports you expect? - - Dumb question - are the mail server processes running? - - Assuming the processes are running and the ports are listening, what happens when you telnet to them from within the machine, e.g.: telnet localhost 25 telnet localhost 110 telnet localhost 143 - - Can you ping the mail server hostname? - - Use dig to do lookups on your A and MX records. Did you bump the DNS serial number and reload the DNS server after you added the records? - - If that works, now try telnetting to the same ports from an outside network using the DNS hostnames, e.g.: telnet my.mail.server.com 25 ... - - Please send me your hostname privately, if you like, and I can check DNS and ports from here. Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/sourcehosting/ - Follow me, follow you -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFMRa/E0sRouByUApARAsZwAJwIB6hXWwi2x2Wys94WyjHUJfF4fgCglmiR RYfOIA1ePOLwXcWj1xRrdFk= =j2tU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On 20/07/10 15.26, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. First, as everybody else: If you are not satisfied with the default sendmail the most popular alternative seems to be postfix, it will probably be much easier for you to get help with postfix should the problem turn out to be the mail configuration. When you modify your DNS it may take a while before the changes propagate, depending on the TTL setting in your zone configuration. You can check if the mail server is running and can deliver mail locally by, on the mail server, do $ telnet localhost 25 You can then type in manually the smtp commands, see rfc 2821. If you can, then it may be a dns problem. Next, can you send out? You may well be able to send out while you can't receive mail from external servers for local delivery. If this is the case, either your DNS is wrong or the changes has not yet propagated. If you can't, check the error messages, if there is some dns related error look in /etc/resolv.conf to see if you use the right dns server, do some dns queries to check that it works. If you use your own dns server, check the named.conf and verify any forwarders entries. If you can't receive mail from external servers for local delivery, but local delivery works - locally. Try from a different host to telnet to your mail server using the ip address, $ telnet mail-server-ip 25 If this works, maybe your dns changes has not yet propagated. If more time than the TTL has passed and your dns does not resolve correctly, check that you updated the serial number in the zone file, it must be incremented every time you make a modification or the changes won't propagate to dns slaves. If you can't connect, maybe you have a firewall issue. This I think should get you started trouble shooting. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them If you found my advice useful, please donate a reasonable fee to the FreeBSD project, I am still endepted for the great effort of all the people involved in the project. BR, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:03:55PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) Sendmail comes from a good family. jerry -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
Message: 24 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:05:13 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu Subject: Re: Help with setting up a mail server To: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com Cc: Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: 20100720180513.gb46...@gizmo.acns.msu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:03:55PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) Sendmail comes from a good family. jerry -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube At the risk of starting a flame war, I think sendmail gets a bad rap. It's not been the most widely used MTA for the last few decades because it sucks. It's about personal preference. Now I know this may be redundant advice but I used to run an MTA and enjoyed having the use of it and freedom to have my own mailserver at home. But alas, the spammers have ruined that for all of us and almost every ISP out there will block port 25 by default. Even if they don't block port 25 it will only be a matter of time before they detect your outgoing mail traffic and then block you so that you're forced to purchase an add-on service to run your own MTA. They will use lame excuses that you've been blacklisted because of spam. It's simply their way of making you cough up extra dough for your service. This is one of the parts of the Internet that I really hate and long for the good old days. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:03:55 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) At least Postfix is fully RFC compliant, as opposed to Exim. SEE: RFC 2034 (SMTP enhanced status codes), RFC 3461-4 (delivery status notifications), RFC 1652 (8-bit MIME including 8-7bit conversion) among others. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ The wise shepherd never trusts his flock to a smiling wolf. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Help with setting up a mail server
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:03:55 +0300 Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com articulated: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:33:28 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 09:26:44 -0400 Aryeh M. Friedman aryeh.fried...@gmail.com articulated: I am a consultant and was retained by my client to setup qmail or exim on a VPS running 8.0-STABLE (i386). After setting up the DNS (A record and MX record) we have been unable to send or receive mail. The client has/had a working script for installing qmail on 7.1-STABLE but it seems to not work on 8.0-STABLE. They are using the same VPS provider who this 7.1-STABLE install script worked under. I have tried everything I can think of to make it work including asking obvious questions on -questi...@. I informed the client that the task is likely beyond me capabilities but I would help recruit someone who would be able to do it at a reasonable fee paid to them (I am acting as a no cost middle man on this [I am helping the client for free since I was unable to get it done]). Please send any ideas and/or offers to do the job I would seriously suggest that you consider installing Postfix. It is in the ports tree, is well maintained and works out of the box. The Postfix forum will be glad to give you any advice you need for setting up and securing your mail server. Qmail is no longer supported by its author and can be a nightmare to maintain. We had also tried sendmail and couldn't get that working either so I suspect it is a general config issue not a MTA one. (I have set sendmail up about 30 times in the past so I know a little bit about it) Exim is a very good choice. Forget the Postfix suggestions. It's Sendmail's brother:-) At least Postfix is fully RFC compliant, as opposed to Exim. SEE: RFC 2034 (SMTP enhanced status codes), RFC 3461-4 (delivery status notifications), RFC 1652 (8-bit MIME including 8-7bit conversion) among others. I doubt anyone makes a choice on an MTA (or any other software) based on it's RFC-compliance. In my experience, it's normally boils down to: 1. It has the features that I want 2. I can swim with it in times of toruble -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!. -- Lucky Dube ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
how to set locale to French language on mail server ?
Hello I am a bit confuse on how to set locale to French language on our mail server , all our users user French keymap and actually the server is NOT well configured mail# locale LANG= LC_CTYPE=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_TIME=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_ALL= I want to configure at server level for all users which file do I have to setup FR as locale ? I've the doc but it is a bit unclear to me ... Thanks a lot. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to set locale to French language on mail server ?
On Friday 18 December 2009 10:13:53 Frank Bonnet wrote: Hello I am a bit confuse on how to set locale to French language on our mail server , all our users user French keymap and actually the server is NOT well configured mail# locale LANG= LC_CTYPE=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_TIME=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_ALL= I want to configure at server level for all users which file do I have to setup FR as locale ? I've the doc but it is a bit unclear to me ... Thanks a lot. See login.conf(5). There are some examples in /etc/login.conf. Regards, Pieter de Goeje ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Daily report cannot be emailed to a jailed mail server
Hi, FreeBSD 7.2-R box with 10 jails. The mail server (actually its a mail filter) is hosted on the same server inside a jail. I can't seem to get the main server reports to be sent to the mail filter inside the jail inside the same box. so.. r...@localhost tries to send an email to some...@anotherdomain.com.au The MX entry for anotherdomain.com.au points to the mailfilter on the server (jailed). I've changed my /etc/mail/aliases to have root: some...@anotherdomain.com.au and ran newaliases. When i try to send an email i get in /var/log/messages sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: Losing ./qfn97LeeOw094682: savemail panic Oct 8 08:40:40 server sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: Losing ./qfn97LgTYg094713: savemail panic Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: SYSERR(root): MX list for anotherdomain.com.au. points back to server.net In /var/log/maillog n97Ll7VV095129: to=some...@anotherdomain.com.au, ctladdr=r...@server.net (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30715, relay=anotherdomain.com.au., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: n97Ll7VV095130: DSN: Local configuration error Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Regards David N ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Daily report cannot be emailed to a jailed mail server
David N wrote: Hi, FreeBSD 7.2-R box with 10 jails. The mail server (actually its a mail filter) is hosted on the same server inside a jail. I can't seem to get the main server reports to be sent to the mail filter inside the jail inside the same box. so.. r...@localhost tries to send an email to some...@anotherdomain.com.au The MX entry for anotherdomain.com.au points to the mailfilter on the server (jailed). I've changed my /etc/mail/aliases to have root: some...@anotherdomain.com.au and ran newaliases. When i try to send an email i get in /var/log/messages sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: Losing ./qfn97LeeOw094682: savemail panic Oct 8 08:40:40 server sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: Losing ./qfn97LgTYg094713: savemail panic Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: SYSERR(root): MX list for anotherdomain.com.au. points back to server.net In /var/log/maillog n97Ll7VV095129: to=some...@anotherdomain.com.au, ctladdr=r...@server.net (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30715, relay=anotherdomain.com.au., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: n97Ll7VV095130: DSN: Local configuration error Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? If you hadn't of sanitized the domain names, it would have been easier to troubleshoot... Nonetheless, you can force Sendmail to push email to a different server directly (overriding the DNS MX entries) with a 'mailertable' file in /etc/mail. Here's one on a secondary MX: %cat /etc/mail/mailertable ibctech.ca smtp:[smtp.ibctech.ca] ipv6canada.com smtp:[smtp.ipv6canada.com] ... After the file is created, a simple 'make' in /etc/mail will build the mailertable.db file for you and take effect immediately (much like 'newaliases'). However, it's hard to tell if this recommendation will solve your problem though. Without knowing the real domain, we can't perform DNS tests against it to get a better understanding of the situation. Cheers, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Daily report cannot be emailed to a jailed mail server
2009/10/8 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca: David N wrote: Hi, FreeBSD 7.2-R box with 10 jails. The mail server (actually its a mail filter) is hosted on the same server inside a jail. I can't seem to get the main server reports to be sent to the mail filter inside the jail inside the same box. so.. r...@localhost tries to send an email to some...@anotherdomain.com.au The MX entry for anotherdomain.com.au points to the mailfilter on the server (jailed). I've changed my /etc/mail/aliases to have root: some...@anotherdomain.com.au and ran newaliases. When i try to send an email i get in /var/log/messages sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: Losing ./qfn97LeeOw094682: savemail panic Oct 8 08:40:40 server sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: Losing ./qfn97LgTYg094713: savemail panic Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: SYSERR(root): MX list for anotherdomain.com.au. points back to server.net In /var/log/maillog n97Ll7VV095129: to=some...@anotherdomain.com.au, ctladdr=r...@server.net (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30715, relay=anotherdomain.com.au., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: n97Ll7VV095130: DSN: Local configuration error Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? If you hadn't of sanitized the domain names, it would have been easier to troubleshoot... Nonetheless, you can force Sendmail to push email to a different server directly (overriding the DNS MX entries) with a 'mailertable' file in /etc/mail. Here's one on a secondary MX: %cat /etc/mail/mailertable ibctech.ca smtp:[smtp.ibctech.ca] ipv6canada.com smtp:[smtp.ipv6canada.com] ... After the file is created, a simple 'make' in /etc/mail will build the mailertable.db file for you and take effect immediately (much like 'newaliases'). However, it's hard to tell if this recommendation will solve your problem though. Without knowing the real domain, we can't perform DNS tests against it to get a better understanding of the situation. Cheers, Steve Thank you so much, it worked =) My MX records are correct, i could get mail from the outside, but just couldn't get the daily reports to deliver it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Daily report cannot be emailed to a jailed mail server
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:02:50AM +1100, David N wrote: FreeBSD 7.2-R box with 10 jails. The mail server (actually its a mail filter) is hosted on the same server inside a jail. I can't seem to get the main server reports to be sent to the mail filter inside the jail inside the same box. so.. r...@localhost tries to send an email to some...@anotherdomain.com.au The MX entry for anotherdomain.com.au points to the mailfilter on the server (jailed). I've changed my /etc/mail/aliases to have root: some...@anotherdomain.com.au and ran newaliases. It's been already pointed out that you aren't providing much information to go on, so here's my WAG of what is happening. Changing the root alias root could work, but consider the case of mail from the jailhost being rejected by the jailed mailserver. The bounce message will be addressed to POSTMASTER on the jailhost, which points to root on the jailhost, which points back to the jailed mailserver trying to send the bounce, which points to ... You can examine the scenario for yourself either by listening to a married couple on the verge of divorce argue with one another, or more specifically, by running [r...@jailhost] sendmail -bv root [r...@jail] sendmail -bv postmas...@jailhost.server.net When i try to send an email i get in /var/log/messages sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: Losing ./qfn97LeeOw094682: savemail panic Oct 8 08:40:40 server sm-mta[94682]: n97LeeOw094682: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: Losing ./qfn97LgTYg094713: savemail panic Oct 8 08:42:30 server sm-mta[94713]: n97LgTYg094713: SYSERR(root): savemail: cannot save rejected email anywhere Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: SYSERR(root): MX list for anotherdomain.com.au. points back to server.net The jailed mailserver is rejecting the mail and is then trying to send a bounce and can't because it's caught in a loop that ends when Sendmail says Look this isn't an argument ... it's just contradiction! and bails out. Why the jailed mailserver is rejecting the mail is a separate issue. In /var/log/maillog n97Ll7VV095129: to=some...@anotherdomain.com.au, ctladdr=r...@server.net (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=30715, relay=anotherdomain.com.au., dsn=5.3.5, stat=Local configuration error Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: n97Ll7VV095130: DSN: Local configuration error That's from the maillog on the jailhost. More relevant to why the jailed mailserver has rejected the mail would be the jail's maillog entries (or whatever logging was done by the filter installed there). Either way, for the interim I'd suggest undoing your changes, rebuilding your aliases and consider implementing an alternate approach. For anyone to figure out conclusively what's happening, you'll have to provide more information. -- George ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Daily report cannot be emailed to a jailed mail server
David N wrote: 2009/10/8 Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca: David N wrote: [ big snips ] When i try to send an email i get Oct 8 08:47:07 server sm-mta[95130]: n97Ll7VV095129: SYSERR(root): MX list for anotherdomain.com.au. points back to server.net Nonetheless, you can force Sendmail to push email to a different server directly (overriding the DNS MX entries) with a 'mailertable' file in /etc/mail. Here's one on a secondary MX: %cat /etc/mail/mailertable ibctech.ca smtp:[smtp.ibctech.ca] ipv6canada.com smtp:[smtp.ipv6canada.com] ... After the file is created, a simple 'make' in /etc/mail will build the mailertable.db file for you and take effect immediately (much like 'newaliases'). Thank you so much, it worked =) My MX records are correct, i could get mail from the outside, but just couldn't get the daily reports to deliver it. I'm glad it worked. Believe me, if that simple change made it work for you, then it was worth my headache to have spent the time to learn it for myself ;) For the last few years, I've only used Sendmail (or sendmail) to act as a backup MX, or to directly deliver mail from the box I am on...hence, it's been a while... There may be other ramifications to using `mailertable' in your particular environment. I don't know how your system will react, given a default setup and a mailertable entry. It's possible (but untested) that if the server that is specified in the mailertable is down, your reports might not make it to you ( whether that's bad or good is up for interpretation... I've always known no news as good news ;) Perhaps Giorgos or someone else may be able to provide a better understanding. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
2009/9/28 Karl Vogel vogelke+u...@pobox.com vogelke%2bu...@pobox.com On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com said: A I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only A internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail... First things first: if you're happy with Sendmail and your system works to your satisfaction, I'd leave it be. Just watch your logs and keep an eye out for security patches. A I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. There are fanboys on all three sides of that question (yes, no, and qmail bites, use this-other-MTA instead). I switched from sendmail to qmail on a server because I had an odd corner case that qmail happened to handle just about perfectly. I also botched a qmail install on my own workstation, didn't feel like finding out what I did wrong, and decided to install Postfix instead. I've had fine experiences with both qmail and Postfix. If you're using a system that's a little under-powered, you might appreciate Dr. Bernstein's efforts to make qmail and its supporting tools *very* frugal with OS resources. If you're used to the sendmail way of doing things, you'd probably be better off with Postfix. I like Dr. Bernstein's programming approach, but be prepared to spend time getting used to his way of setting up network daemons, etc. It's internally consistent but *very* different. It takes me 30-40 minutes to install all of the qmail stuff from source because I've done it at least 6 or 7 times; I could probably cut that in half if I didn't save build and installation outputs for my logs. My first time took most of a weekend to figure out what was going on. A Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I tried SA a few years ago, and it was a little heavy-weight for my filtering needs. I use a simple Bayesian filter (ifile) trained on around 100,000 spams plus some procmail rules, and I get along fine. Your mileage will vary. I saw some other comments: Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Depends on what you mean by support. The user community is very active; have a look at http://www.ornl.gov/lists/mailing-lists/qmail/ if you doubt it. OTOH, said community can be a bit, um, brusque, but the Qmail Handbook and the Life with Qmail webpage filled in the blanks for me. Qmail has a very limited set of features... It's intended to handle one problem well, which it does. If you have some other requirements, http://www.qmail.org/ probably has a plugin that will do what you want. OK, now let's settle which text editor is best. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company They say marriages are made in heaven. So is thunder and lightning. --Clint Eastwood ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org exim is worth a look, it scales very well and is fairly easy to understand. I also has a very powerful acl language for filtering and plugs directly into lots of av/anti spam stuff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you Hello Aflatoon Aflatooni: Are you running Sendmail on FreeBSD ? If yes, what issue are you facing ? and what did you read ? thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:01:22AM -0700, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? No, sendmail is as good or better, especially in a situation such as you describe.Some people believe that sendmail can be hard to configure, and it is a little arcane to do it directly in the sendmail.cf file. But there are things that help nowdays. Anyway, if you already have it configured and working your are past that already. Most of the things these others complain about being to complicated are more exotic and special-cased stuff. Then they become religious zealots about their favorites. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Learn to use procmail. jerry Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 09:49:37AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:01:22AM -0700, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? No, sendmail is as good or better, especially in a situation such as you describe.Some people believe that sendmail can be hard to configure, and it is a little arcane to do it directly in the sendmail.cf file. But there are things that help nowdays. Anyway, if you already have it configured and working your are past that already. Most of the things these others complain about being to complicated are more exotic and special-cased stuff. Then they become religious zealots about their favorites. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Learn to use procmail. Sorry, I meant to say spamassasin + procmail jerry jerry Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. If you have no compelling reason to switch from sendmail, stick with that. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. My personal favorites in order are exim postfix sendmail carrier pigeons messages in bottles qmail smoke signals ... MS Exchange ... whatever system dogs use when they smell each others' excrement. ... Lotus Notes You can't go wrong with the first three: exim, postfix, and sendmail. There are reasons why I have the preferences that I do, but they don't apply to you or your needs. So unless you are having problems with sendmail, just stay with that. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? There are many ways to integrate spam-assassin and sendmail, and they will all be in the ports system. Look at mail/spamass-milter Another approach (not using milters) is a spamassassin+procmail solution. I prefer the milter as it allows you to reject mail early in the process. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Thanks, I am running Sendmail on FreeBSD and it is working. I have worked with Sendmail for years and have configured and using it successfully, but with sendmail there is so many things that you could configure you are not sure if you have it configured correctly. I generate my sendmail.cf using m4 and it works, but I find that there are always new changes that you need to stay on top of. Is there a recommended mc file for running a Sendmail mail server? I am also using procmail as well. Thanks - Original Message From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:38:06 AM Subject: Re: Whic mail server? On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you Hello Aflatoon Aflatooni: Are you running Sendmail on FreeBSD ? If yes, what issue are you facing ? and what did you read ? thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Whic mail server?
Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you This is, of course, my own personal bias here but I wouldn't touch qmail with a ten foot pole. I know many have used it successfully and been happy with it. It is very easy to begin with a single domain for local delivery to configure sendmail as per the instructions in the Handbook. Postfix is designed to be a drop in replacement for Sendmail, and for a simple Sendmail already configured, Postfix will just take over and work when installed. Additions such as MySQL for virtual domains and users, spamd, etc., can then be plugged in to the basic setup one at a time. There is a pretty fair amount of documentation in the Postfix world for such things. If you are looking to change out Sendmail my vote would be Postfix as it is easier to build on and build up from the setup you're currently using. However, I'd like to point out if you have only one mail server you probably should do this on a second duplicate machine and then once it is proved to work properly swap them. There is a pretty good chance if you only have one mail server you're going to take it down while mucking about. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Personally, I use Postfix. Is is far easier IMHO to configure that Sendmail and it is actively supported. The developer regularly answers questions on the Postfix forum. Amavisd-new http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ works fine with Postfix. You might want to stay away from MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ though. The Postfix author discourages its use and Postfix does not support it. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Every cloud has a silver lining; you should have sold it, and bought titanium. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail has a very limited set of features, it is simple efficient and pretty easy to setup, and has a track record as a secure alternative to sendmail. Postfix I think is the flexible and popular alternative to sendmail. It supports most if not all of sendmail features and easily integrates with a number of filtering solutions as well as imap and ldap servers. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I wouldn't ever recommend changing mail servers if you have a working setup that you're satisfied with. spamassassin works well with pretty much any MTA, as far as I'm aware. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is old. And there is no maintainer for qmail. How about Postfix? Personally i'm running Postfix on three FreeBSD box. Sincerely, -- But I can see you don't take me seriously. -- Tom Hagen, Chapter 1, page 61 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
I personally prefer postfix too. It seems to be a relieable program, setting it up is easier then sendmail. It also integrates well with mailman (for the case you want to host mailing lists). Some basic comparison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers Cheers herb langhans On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:25:04AM +0900, ?? wrote: Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is old. And there is no maintainer for qmail. How about Postfix? Personally i'm running Postfix on three FreeBSD box. Sincerely, -- But I can see you don't take me seriously. -- Tom Hagen, Chapter 1, page 61 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Yes. What about bogofilter. This port is smart, I always wonder how intelligent it dedects spam, just by the content. Even works with Chinese messages.. Setting it up requires some time and patience (its a filter what plugs in at procmail). But its small and efficient, ideal for mailservers. http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/ Cheers herb langhans Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On 9/27/2009 10:06 AM, herbert langhans wrote: Yes. What about bogofilter. This port is smart, I always wonder how intelligent it dedects spam, just by the content. Even works with Chinese messages.. Setting it up requires some time and patience (its a filter what plugs in at procmail). But its small and efficient, ideal for mailservers. http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/ Cheers herb langhans Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? dspam works very well for me across several sites ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com said: A I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only A internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail... First things first: if you're happy with Sendmail and your system works to your satisfaction, I'd leave it be. Just watch your logs and keep an eye out for security patches. A I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. There are fanboys on all three sides of that question (yes, no, and qmail bites, use this-other-MTA instead). I switched from sendmail to qmail on a server because I had an odd corner case that qmail happened to handle just about perfectly. I also botched a qmail install on my own workstation, didn't feel like finding out what I did wrong, and decided to install Postfix instead. I've had fine experiences with both qmail and Postfix. If you're using a system that's a little under-powered, you might appreciate Dr. Bernstein's efforts to make qmail and its supporting tools *very* frugal with OS resources. If you're used to the sendmail way of doing things, you'd probably be better off with Postfix. I like Dr. Bernstein's programming approach, but be prepared to spend time getting used to his way of setting up network daemons, etc. It's internally consistent but *very* different. It takes me 30-40 minutes to install all of the qmail stuff from source because I've done it at least 6 or 7 times; I could probably cut that in half if I didn't save build and installation outputs for my logs. My first time took most of a weekend to figure out what was going on. A Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I tried SA a few years ago, and it was a little heavy-weight for my filtering needs. I use a simple Bayesian filter (ifile) trained on around 100,000 spams plus some procmail rules, and I get along fine. Your mileage will vary. I saw some other comments: Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Depends on what you mean by support. The user community is very active; have a look at http://www.ornl.gov/lists/mailing-lists/qmail/ if you doubt it. OTOH, said community can be a bit, um, brusque, but the Qmail Handbook and the Life with Qmail webpage filled in the blanks for me. Qmail has a very limited set of features... It's intended to handle one problem well, which it does. If you have some other requirements, http://www.qmail.org/ probably has a plugin that will do what you want. OK, now let's settle which text editor is best. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company They say marriages are made in heaven. So is thunder and lightning. --Clint Eastwood ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New mail server setup
Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: If anyone has a setup that has redundancy for their IMAP/POP services, and a method to keep the changing data relatively up-to-date, I'd love to hear about it. [ big snip ] Another approach would be a cluster of Postfix servers and Dovecot servers behind PF load balancers. We have 3 POP servers (IMAP/POP), 9 Mail Servers, 2 Defer servers and 5 Filter servers that process over 20 million messages a day without a blip. We can take individual servers out of the pool for maintenance, etc. Everything is fed to a set of redundant NAS for the data storage and common configuration files. Thanks Mike, I'm interested to learn a little more about your setup. I was going to take it off-list, but if you can provide some further details, it would probably add long-term value to keep it here. So, a couple of questions: - can your PF load balancers 'sense' when one of the Postfix/Dovecot units are down, or is this a manual change in config to prevent any time-out conditions? I like this load balancer idea. In my environment, it would be trivial to set up a couple of them, throw Quagga on them, and integrate them directly into our iBGP setup. On the other side, I could use VRRP or the like to ensure redundancy from front to back. - do the Postfix/Dovecot servers communicate with each other, or are they simply stand-alone units that don't know/care that they have other peers helping with the workload? - are your filter servers in front of, or behind the load balancers (iow, is all of your inbound email passed through the balancers, and then filtered/processed/delivered in behind them)? - how do all of the pieces communicate with the NAS...NFS? - could you share a small snip of your PF config in relation to load-balancing, so I can get a bit of a better understanding config-wise on how that piece hangs together? (I've never used PF, only IFPW ;) Thanks, and regards, Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: New mail server setup
Hello Steve: I'll try to answer your questions in line. snip Another approach would be a cluster of Postfix servers and Dovecot servers behind PF load balancers. We have 3 POP servers (IMAP/POP), 9 Mail Servers, 2 Defer servers and 5 Filter servers that process over 20 million messages a day without a blip. We can take individual servers out of the pool for maintenance, etc. Everything is fed to a set of redundant NAS for the data storage and common configuration files. Thanks Mike, I'm interested to learn a little more about your setup. I was going to take it off-list, but if you can provide some further details, it would probably add long-term value to keep it here. So, a couple of questions: - can your PF load balancers 'sense' when one of the Postfix/Dovecot units are down, or is this a manual change in config to prevent any time-out conditions? Not natively. When we initially implemented this setup, ifstated wasn't up to snuff, so we wrote some PERL scripts that make connections to the required ports and, if no connection is established, pull the server from the table and send us an alarm. We also have scripts so that we can pull servers out when we're doing maintenance. I like this load balancer idea. In my environment, it would be trivial to set up a couple of them, throw Quagga on them, and integrate them directly into our iBGP setup. On the other side, I could use VRRP or the like to ensure redundancy from front to back. We use two PF boxes and CARP with PFSync for failover, so no dynamic protocols are needed. - do the Postfix/Dovecot servers communicate with each other, or are they simply stand-alone units that don't know/care that they have other peers helping with the workload? They are standalone. All of the user authentication is handled from a centralized database, so there are no local credentials stored on the server. - are your filter servers in front of, or behind the load balancers (iow, is all of your inbound email passed through the balancers, and then filtered/processed/delivered in behind them)? They are behind the PF boxes. We have other hooks in PF that we use to block SPAM in PF, including Cloudmark and some custom stuff that looks for multiple mails to non-existent addresses. We also use the overload tables for abusive connections. - how do all of the pieces communicate with the NAS...NFS? Yes. Originally we used TCP but we found performance to be much better with UDP. NFSv3 by the way. - could you share a small snip of your PF config in relation to load-balancing, so I can get a bit of a better understanding config- wise on how that piece hangs together? (I've never used PF, only IFPW ;) That might be difficult because it's about 720 lines. :-) Here are some highlights, though. 1) Our customers use mail.adhost.com for everything - SMTP, POP and IMAP. We use redirects in PF so that traffic coming in on the associated ports goes to the appropriate servers. 2) We have our load-balanced DNS servers behind the same PF boxes so we localize the tons of DNS queries related to mail. 3) We do a lot of our rejecting in PF, including Spamhaus, Cloudmark, check scripts for Phishing, Porn and Viruses, as well as our own list of Nefarious IP's culled from various sources. When traffic matches these originators, we send them to mail reject servers that send out a 550 message with the group name so we can find false positives more quickly. 4) Because 3 does have false positives, we have a whitelist that we can add to that will pass traffic to the mail servers before they match against any of the tables in 3. 5) We use POP before SMTP, so once we authenticate a user to send, their IP address is also added to an allow table. 6) The filter servers are load balanced to and from the mail servers so we can take them in and out of their pool for maintenance. If you have a particular scenario you're thinking about I could help you with the rules to make it work. Regards, Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New mail server setup
Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: - can your PF load balancers 'sense' when one of the Postfix/Dovecot units are down, or is this a manual change in config to prevent any time-out conditions? Not natively. When we initially implemented this setup, ifstated wasn't up to snuff, so we wrote some PERL scripts that make connections to the required ports and, if no connection is established, pull the server from the table and send us an alarm. We also have scripts so that we can pull servers out when we're doing maintenance. Ok. I've done the above in similar situations numerous times, so that works. I like this load balancer idea. In my environment, it would be trivial to set up a couple of them, throw Quagga on them, and integrate them directly into our iBGP setup. On the other side, I could use VRRP or the like to ensure redundancy from front to back. We use two PF boxes and CARP with PFSync for failover, so no dynamic protocols are needed. I'll have to review this further. I'm not overly familiar with CARP (ie I've never used it), nor PFSync. My mentality for infrastructure gear (the balancers, not the servers) is always make each device connect to two different switches/routers, and try to make it dynamic in a way that it fits into our OSPF/iBGP design, so if necessary, we can move the entire thing to a different network segment, and not have to renumber. I'm getting a mental picture how I can have load balancing failover with the two devices, and network resiliency by having each balancer connected to different network segments (between buildings over fibre if I want). - do the Postfix/Dovecot servers communicate with each other, or are they simply stand-alone units that don't know/care that they have other peers helping with the workload? They are standalone. All of the user authentication is handled from a centralized database, so there are no local credentials stored on the server. Perfect...do your auth/acct db's generally reside on the same storage mechanism that the data does, in order to keep 'email related stuff' altogether? - are your filter servers in front of, or behind the load balancers (iow, is all of your inbound email passed through the balancers, and then filtered/processed/delivered in behind them)? They are behind the PF boxes. We have other hooks in PF that we use to block SPAM in PF, including Cloudmark and some custom stuff that looks for multiple mails to non-existent addresses. We also use the overload tables for abusive connections. Ok. We have a Barracuda cluster hanging off of one of our Internet facing edge routers, that filters then passes what it allows back into the network, and to the servers. The only reason I don't aggregate all of the mail systems together, is so that I can filter the spam as soon as possible upon ingress to our network, instead of having it traverse the core. - how do all of the pieces communicate with the NAS...NFS? Yes. Originally we used TCP but we found performance to be much better with UDP. NFSv3 by the way. Ok. [ snip ] If you have a particular scenario you're thinking about I could help you with the rules to make it work. I do, and that would be fantastic! I'll draw up a diagram this afternoon of what I envision. Where I'll need a bit of advice will likely be in the details, as opposed to the design, especially if I migrate completely away from our existing mail platform(s). Cheers! Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Virus scanning for Exim mail server
I have been looking on the FreeBSD site and ports for a virus scanner to use with an Exim mail server, without much luck. Does anyone know of command line virus scanners (open source or commercial) that work with FreeBSD 7.2 and Exim?? Thanking you in advance, David R. Stegner ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Virus scanning for Exim mail server
Hi, Does anyone know of command line virus scanners (open source or commercial) that work with FreeBSD 7.2 and Exim?? Clamav, open source, in the ports, command line and daemon mode. Kaspersky, commercial, command line and daemon mode for the mail server package (something undocumented called aveserver and aveclient). The advantage of a daemon scanner, when used in conjunction with a mail server is that the scanner runs in the background and scans the files that are submited to it, as the scanner is always running, it does not take time loading the virus patterns every time, so there is no start-up over head (few seconds) and the scan is very fast. I think there are others, but these are the one I use. They both integrate fine in amavisd-new (and I beleive amavisd-new works with Exim). Bests, Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: New mail server setup
Steve Bertrand wrote: I'm looking potentially to try a different mail server setup. I'm requesting honest feedback from experienced mail ops. My minimum requirements: - IPv6 for all protocols - SPF - IMAP|POP3 must support SSL - SMTP AUTH - submit on 587 - MySQL backend for un/pw, vpopmail preferred, but not mandatory - Maildir storage preferred - easy (ie: well documented) integration with SA/clam - integration with maildrop .mailfiter preferred Right now I use a system wrapped around Qmail, and honestly, I just don't want to patch for IPv6 anymore. I've broken my personal system, so while I work on re-hacking everything, I thought I'd solicit some new ideas. I've been using the same email system pretty much across the board for seven years or so, so perhaps I should look at other options. Please cc me, as this addr isn't subscribed. I won't be receiving my list email from my backup mx until tomorrow, as it were ;) For an MTA: postfix does everything you want, it's not too shabby speed wise and the config files are reasonably comprehensible. For an IMAP/POP3 server: dovecot has the required functionality and unless you're dealing with thousands of user accounts it's probably a better alternative for you than the nuclear option of cyrus-imapd. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New mail server setup
Matthew Seaman wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: My minimum requirements: - IPv6 for all protocols - SPF - IMAP|POP3 must support SSL - SMTP AUTH - submit on 587 - MySQL backend for un/pw, vpopmail preferred, but not mandatory - Maildir storage preferred - easy (ie: well documented) integration with SA/clam - integration with maildrop .mailfiter preferred For an MTA: postfix does everything you want, it's not too shabby speed wise and the config files are reasonably comprehensible. For an IMAP/POP3 server: dovecot has the required functionality and unless you're dealing with thousands of user accounts it's probably a better alternative for you than the nuclear option of cyrus-imapd. Ok, I'm back up and rolling again. Thanks Matthew, and the others who replied off-list for all of the feedback. One thing that I forgot to ask in my original post was that of clustering. In our production network, we have a cluster of perimeter MX's, and a similar setup for our submission boxes (it's been a couple of years since we've strictly enforced AUTH for all clients). What I don't have, and have always wondered about, is live redundancy for the IMAP/POP services. I know that this would be a challenge to some degree considering the high volume of data changes. Perhaps a carp(4) setup between a couple of MDA's, where when the primary is up, a constant rsync pushes the data to the backup. Or perhaps a combination of rsync for manual changes, and a method to have the primary write the emails to a local disk, and a network disk simultaneously? If anyone has a setup that has redundancy for their IMAP/POP services, and a method to keep the changing data relatively up-to-date, I'd love to hear about it. Cheers, Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: New mail server setup
Steve Bertrand wrote: What I don't have, and have always wondered about, is live redundancy for the IMAP/POP services. I know that this would be a challenge to some degree considering the high volume of data changes. Perhaps a carp(4) setup between a couple of MDA's, where when the primary is up, a constant rsync pushes the data to the backup. Or perhaps a combination of rsync for manual changes, and a method to have the primary write the emails to a local disk, and a network disk simultaneously? If anyone has a setup that has redundancy for their IMAP/POP services, and a method to keep the changing data relatively up-to-date, I'd love to hear about it. Now, that is a different kettle of fish. This is a job for cyrus imap. I suggest googling for 'cyrus murder' -- this is almost, but not quite, a fully resilient mail store / IMAP system. Your mail store is divided into frontend IMAP protocol servers which handle user auth etc. and back-end mail stores. The protocol layer servers are fully resilient and you can fail over a user session at will, but the mailstores don't quite get there: mail is replicated across different stores, but actions modifying the mail store are not transactional across all the mail stores. Or in other words, you can lose a small amount of data if one of the mail stores goes bang at precisely the wrong moment. Even so, it will do better at keeping multiple copies of a mailstore in synch than any locally scripted rsync setup. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: New mail server setup
Matthew Seaman wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: If anyone has a setup that has redundancy for their IMAP/POP services, and a method to keep the changing data relatively up-to-date, I'd love to hear about it. Now, that is a different kettle of fish. This is a job for cyrus imap. I suggest googling for 'cyrus murder' -- this is almost, but not quite, a fully resilient mail store / IMAP system. Your mail store is divided into frontend IMAP protocol servers which handle user auth etc. and back-end mail stores. The protocol layer servers are fully resilient and you can fail over a user session at will, but the mailstores don't quite get there: mail is replicated across different stores, but actions modifying the mail store are not transactional across all the mail stores. Or in other words, you can lose a small amount of data if one of the mail stores goes bang at precisely the wrong moment. Even so, it will do better at keeping multiple copies of a mailstore in synch than any locally scripted rsync setup. This is *EXACTLY* what I was looking for! The possibility of loosing an extremely small amount of data far outweighs the possibility of a multi-hour outage where 3,000 users are receiving can't reach the POP3 server errors. Besides, our incoming SMTP gateway boxes cache all incoming email for 24 hours, and we can re-deliver any message to the back-end we wish during that window. I really try my best to design/implement all the systems I can like our networks... multiple paths and extremely quick convergence. Being able to take a box down to test/perform an upgrade, or during a failure without client impact is well worth any initial large learning curve imho. Thanks, Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: New mail server setup
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Steve Bertrand Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:09 AM To: Matthew Seaman Cc: questi...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New mail server setup Matthew Seaman wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: If anyone has a setup that has redundancy for their IMAP/POP services, and a method to keep the changing data relatively up-to-date, I'd love to hear about it. Now, that is a different kettle of fish. This is a job for cyrus imap. I suggest googling for 'cyrus murder' -- this is almost, but not quite, a fully resilient mail store / IMAP system. Your mail store is divided into frontend IMAP protocol servers which handle user auth etc. and back-end mail stores. The protocol layer servers are fully resilient and you can fail over a user session at will, but the mailstores don't quite get there: mail is replicated across different stores, but actions modifying the mail store are not transactional across all the mail stores. Or in other words, you can lose a small amount of data if one of the mail stores goes bang at precisely the wrong moment. Even so, it will do better at keeping multiple copies of a mailstore in synch than any locally scripted rsync setup. This is *EXACTLY* what I was looking for! The possibility of loosing an extremely small amount of data far outweighs the possibility of a multi-hour outage where 3,000 users are receiving can't reach the POP3 server errors. Besides, our incoming SMTP gateway boxes cache all incoming email for 24 hours, and we can re-deliver any message to the back-end we wish during that window. I really try my best to design/implement all the systems I can like our networks... multiple paths and extremely quick convergence. Being able to take a box down to test/perform an upgrade, or during a failure without client impact is well worth any initial large learning curve imho. Thanks, Steve Hello Steve: Another approach would be a cluster of Postfix servers and Dovecot servers behind PF load balancers. We have 3 POP servers (IMAP/POP), 9 Mail Servers, 2 Defer servers and 5 Filter servers that process over 20 million messages a day without a blip. We can take individual servers out of the pool for maintenance, etc. Everything is fed to a set of redundant NAS for the data storage and common configuration files. Regards, Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
New mail server setup
I'm looking potentially to try a different mail server setup. I'm requesting honest feedback from experienced mail ops. My minimum requirements: - IPv6 for all protocols - SPF - IMAP|POP3 must support SSL - SMTP AUTH - submit on 587 - MySQL backend for un/pw, vpopmail preferred, but not mandatory - Maildir storage preferred - easy (ie: well documented) integration with SA/clam - integration with maildrop .mailfiter preferred Right now I use a system wrapped around Qmail, and honestly, I just don't want to patch for IPv6 anymore. I've broken my personal system, so while I work on re-hacking everything, I thought I'd solicit some new ideas. I've been using the same email system pretty much across the board for seven years or so, so perhaps I should look at other options. Please cc me, as this addr isn't subscribed. I won't be receiving my list email from my backup mx until tomorrow, as it were ;) Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Look on Users of your mail service will help them very well. For example sending christmas greets using CC: instead of Bcc: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
Another option: Qmail and Dovecot. Actually I have multiple servers running those at multiple sites. For webmail, I have use squirrelmail and perdition, which is an imap proxy/multiplexer. It makes the multiple dovecot systems look like one to the webmail system. You could replace squirrelmail with any other imap-based webmail. For anti-spam and anti-virus I use Postini. A dollar a month per user. I send no mail except via Postini, and I accept no mail except from Postini, enforced by both qmail's tcprules and our cisco firewalls. The combination is fast, safe and low-maintenance (but perhaps not your definition of cheap). I've built this thing but only have a small contingent of users on it so far.. the rest are still on a external host. Last week I set up mstone, (see sourceforge project) and have been loading it up to see where it creaks. So far so good. John Dakos [ Enovation Technologies ] wrote: Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I will appreciate Thanks all John Dakos Network Administrator Enovation Technologies Filellinon 35, Chalandrion 15232 Athens, GREECE Tel: +30-210 811 9673 Mob: +30-6979348082 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org __ Scanned by Google Message Security - Leaving Seaman Paper ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.netmel.flynn%2bfbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work too, but I don't know exim or qmail. Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish off the job. I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the missing link. --Tim I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Tim Judd taj...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/27 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.netmel.flynn%2bfbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work too, but I don't know exim or qmail. Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish off the job. I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the missing link. --Tim I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of mail is spam. This is very acceptable given that there's no spam filter yet. and the last 5% can be cleaned up with a proper anti-spam solution, and my first anticipation would be spamd for that solution erm dspam, not spamd. :) firewall w/ spamd MTA with DNSBL dspam invoked by MTA :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. You don't follow context very well. with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam. and that's a guestimate. My point is that this is 5% coming through without using an anti-spam product. I was trying to get a feel for the software combination I spoke about, how effective it was without anti-spam. And then I said that the last 5% can be cleaned up by using anti-spam software. I won't elaborate to you any more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. You don't follow context very well. Seems so - sorry. as for input it's rather 5% being not a spam. with the setup I'm talking about, only 5% of the total volume currently received is spam. and that's a guestimate. Just checked - i received 350 spams today (since 0:00) and got 4 uncatched by spamassassin. so like 1-1.5%___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
Wojciech Puchar wrote: I just had my first answer to this setup. only roughly 5% of the volume of on what planet do You live? really at least 80% of mail that comes to my servers are spam. spamassassin deletes far over 95% of it fortunately. It takes a few weeks before the spammers become aware of a brand new mail system -- you have to send e-mail from the system before they can harvest your addresses and start trying to sell you dubious pharmaceuticals. Look on it as a grace period where you can get your anti-spam defenses into shape before the real onslaught begins. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C programs are responsible for far more lossage. It all depends who write programs. Yes... but that has nothing to do with PHP. PHP, Python, Perl (especially), C, Ruby, there are all stupid buggy programs written in these. Why pick on PHP? Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient compared to postgreSQL? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Stable Mail Server And Web Mail
On Saturday 30 May 2009 17:31:35 Wojciech Puchar wrote: It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient compared to postgreSQL? Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out perform PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix proxy-map to be on topic). The reason for this is that the connection start up for MySQL has lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. So typically with small tables (lookup maps for transport and users are generally not in the order of millions) and lots of connections MySQL could win. On the other hand, PostgreSQL scales better, especially now that the Sysv IPC shared memory limit in FreeBSD has been fixed. [1] The reason for my original remark is that Oracle now acquired SAP DB, MySQL and Berkeley DB, so the best scenario I can see is that they improve the underused Berkeley DB table handler for MySQL and leave the rest in-tact, but I more expect them to phase out MySQL or grow it with Oracle features, neither of which I personally consider a good thing. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=182581+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2009/freebsd- hackers/20090315.freebsd-hackers -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out perform PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix proxy-map to be on topic). The reason for this is that the connection start up for MySQL has lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. for just quick searching of keys isn't just berkeley DB or maybe sqlite the best. there will be no connecting at all. anyway sqlite is much more useful ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sat, 30 May 2009 17:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. is this a reason, or that simply mysql is just slow and inefficient compared to postgreSQL? There are many factors that could be contributing to the speed of MySQL. For starters, what version are you employing? I believe databases/mysql60-server is the latest version in the ports tree. Have you tried using: BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes BUILD_STATIC=yes Their use could improve the speed of MySQL. There are other options in the Makefile. Unfortunately, you have to set them manually. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Theory is gray, but the golden tree of life is green. Goethe signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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you tried using: BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes BUILD_STATIC=yes Their use could improve the speed of MySQL. the latter (static) will only optimize mysql startup time ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:05:12 Wojciech Puchar wrote: Depends on your usage. I'd say for SMTP table lookups, MySQL can out perform PostgreSQL, unless one uses persistent connections (postfix proxy-map to be on topic). The reason for this is that the connection start up for MySQL has lower overhead then for PostgreSQL. for just quick searching of keys isn't just berkeley DB or maybe sqlite the best. there will be no connecting at all. anyway sqlite is much more useful Only for single machine installs as I wouldn't recommend sqlite over NFS to share the database. The idea was to have one machine (or a replicated cluster) with a database and several mail servers getting their information from there. It's less about performance, more about a preference of how you want to manage your information. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. -- Mel Option c and do not understand. You can use a centralized database and let as many postfix, dovecot servers talk to that database as you want, or am i seeing this wrong. Regards, Johan No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.43/2139 - Release Date: 05/28/09 18:09:00 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question what i see on top. What i use is: sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to store messages in maildir format. spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. dovecot for IMAP/POP3 service. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, as i can't find the first post of that post i will answer the question what i see on top. What i use is: sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to store messages in maildir format. spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. What's wrong with PHP? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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What i use is: sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to store messages in maildir format. spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. What's wrong with PHP? 1) resource hungry 2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/29 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: What i use is: sendmail - in base system+procmail from ports. procmail is mainly used to store messages in maildir format. spamassassin as antispam, someone already pointed that dspam is faster i must check it. Anyway properly configured spamassassin isn't that bad. sqwebmail for webmail. it's highest performance and easiest to configure webmail i've tested. It's fortunately not PHP based, it's written in C. What's wrong with PHP? 1) resource hungry 2) quite buggy. While here can be discussed how much is because of PHP itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C programs are responsible for far more lossage. Though you're right about resource-hunger. Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in a mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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itself, and how much of stupid-written PHP programs I don't think PHP itself is buggy, in fact I think badly written C programs are responsible for far more lossage. It all depends who write programs. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Friday 29 May 2009 09:21:36 Johan Hendriks wrote: Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. -- Mel Option c and do not understand. You can use a centralized database and let as many postfix, dovecot servers talk to that database as you want, or am i seeing this wrong. Sure. And they will accept mail for everything in the database, you will have no good routing as any given setting applies to any given postfix installation, unless you maintain internal DNS and transport maps locally and very carefully. So my own database has a 'servers' table and transport / relay are applied per server. This way an incoming mailhub accepting for all domains can get transport info from the same database and multiple transport maps can be applied for the same domain, pending the role of the server in the mail network that requests the info. Postfix (and dovecot) maps simply have a WHERE me='mailhub.example.com' clause. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/27 Mel Flynn mel.flynn+fbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.netmel.flynn%2bfbsd.questi...@mailing.thruhere.net On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. Just thought I should make a couple comments, it's not a message to change or correct Mel's message but rather just a idea on a possible solution I have deployed and would like input and experience/results relayed to me. Put whatever MTA you want, I use postfix primarily. sendmail would work too, but I don't know exim or qmail. Install OpenBSD's spamd (that works with PF, and ipfw support is early, but there) on the host to block the (at last count) ~460k hosts and subnets that are known spammers so your MTA doesn't even have to mess with it. Include DNS Blacklisting support with your MTA. These are the servers that have mistakenly sent out a spam and gotten caught. DNSBL will report to the client that it's being blocked and how to remove it. I'd love to hear success stories with this. Both pieces together work very well, and I am still working on seeing if any spam does come through. If spam does come through, a product like dspam or spamassassin could finish off the job. I don't have a live domain, so I can give directions if anybody's interested. Maybe one day I'll write up an article for this. I ask please - for those who are interested in trying this, to give me the success or not-so-success stories so I can fine tune it and work out the missing link. --Tim ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Monday 25 May 2009 13:53:40 Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 It's a detailed how-to but consider the following: a) With Oracle acquiring Sun, one should move to PostgreSQL where ever possible. b) Spam Assassin is a resource hog, use mail/dspam. c) While postfix-admin is ok for one box setup, it doesn't scale at all - you'll have to install it for every physical machine to manage that specific database for that box. I know of no alternatives, hence I'm rolling my own. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I will appreciate Thanks all John Dakos Network Administrator Enovation Technologies Filellinon 35, Chalandrion 15232 Athens, GREECE Tel: +30-210 811 9673 Mob: +30-6979348082 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello, Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I recommend the following step-by-step instructions: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.fairtrade.net.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I will appreciate Thanks all A good combination for webmail is: Postfix as MTA Dovecot as IMAP / POP3 server Postfixadmin for webbased management. Mysql or postgresql for the database. and a webmail client. This can be roundcube, squirrelmail, imp (from Horde) and so on. Regards, Johan John Dakos Network Administrator Enovation Technologies Filellinon 35, Chalandrion 15232 Athens, GREECE Tel: +30-210 811 9673 Mob: +30-6979348082 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.37/2131 - Release Date: 05/24/09 07:09:00 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/25 Johan Hendriks jo...@double-l.nl Hello all , I want to install a Mail Server with Webmail, Anybody to know a good Stable Mail Server and Web Mail I will appreciate Thanks all A good combination for webmail is: Postfix as MTA Dovecot as IMAP / POP3 server Postfixadmin for webbased management. Mysql or postgresql for the database. and a webmail client. This can be roundcube, squirrelmail, imp (from Horde) and so on. I love the following combo: Exim as MTA Dovecot for POP3/POP3S/IMAP/IMAPS Vexim (http://silverwraith.com/vexim) for web based management MySQL or PostgreSQL database Squirrelmail for webmail with vlogin plugin for multihosting. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- Mark Twain ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
