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Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
On 2013-10-08 06:21, Chris Stankevitz wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, This is my rc.conf with ipf (ipfilter) firewall. # Bring up the ipfilter software ipfilter_enable=YES ipmon_enable=YES # Start IP monitor log ipmon_flags=-D -f /var/log/ipf.log ## Tell ipfilter where to get its rules ipfilter_rules=/etc/ipf.rules #Enable ipnat ipnat_enable=YES #Tell ipnat where to get its rules ipnat_rules=/etc/ipnat.rules ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
Olivier Nicole wrote: [snip] The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. From what you copied/explained, natd_enable will load ipdivert.ko and the handbook suggests that you load ipdivert.ko, so either way the module will be loaded. I'd go with the ipfw_enable and natd_enable as it may also do other needed things than just loading a kernel module. +1 on this. It is also present in the /etc/defaults/rc.conf this way as well (of course, use /etc/rc.conf for override customization). The original situation referred to early in the mailing-list content was a timing related problem where the ipdivert module would fail, even after ipfw loading _did_ succeed. Most of the 'old way' is a holdover from before the init system brought in the rc.subr startup scripts (imported from netbsd if memory serves). There have been a couple of hiccups along the way concerning the order things are started. For example, it doesn't really work to start a dhcp client prior to successful network initiate completion. Over time the rc.subr system has evolved and been cleaned up. A long time ago I eschewed running mergemaster when doing source-based upgrades. Just didn't like it and it never seemed like not doing it hurt anything. For quite some time I never experienced any problem with this approach. However, this eventually did bite me in the rump in a very bad way! :-) When running mergemaster while upgrading to a new release you may see these scripts being updated. So they are continuing to evolve, and a lot of this is to start up and configure things as the system comes up in a 'correct' and coherent order. So imho the Handbook is a wee bit outdated. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NAT: Handbook vs mailing list
Chris, On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Chris Stankevitz chrisstankev...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/network-natd.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2011-April/229017.html Hello, Handbook section 31.9.3 suggests I should, among other things, add the line ipdivert_load=YES to /boot/loader.conf when setting up NAT. The mailing list message linked above suggests that the handbook information is the old way and that the correct way is to set ipfw_enable and natd_enable in rc.conf. Then /etc/rc.d/ipfw will load ipfw.ko, and if natd_enable is set, will invoke /etc/rc.d/natd, which loads ipdivert.ko at the right time. From what you copied/explained, natd_enable will load ipdivert.ko and the handbook suggests that you load ipdivert.ko, so either way the module will be loaded. I'd go with the ipfw_enable and natd_enable as it may also do other needed things than just loading a kernel module. best regards, Olivier My inclination is to follow the handbook, but I thought I should first check to ensure the handbook is up-to-date. Thank you, Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Unban my second address from the mailing list
Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list
David Demelier wrote: Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. For list specific issues: Most lists on Internet use conventions of owner-LISTNAME@ or LISTNAME-owner@ (often admins alias one to the other so both work), so if you get a bounce, mail the other) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions also lists: moderators at freebsd.org But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail postmas...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with . Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list
On 22.09.2013 22:02, Julian H. Stacey wrote: David Demelier wrote: Hi, A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot bounces, now the server is working and running. I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. For list specific issues: Most lists on Internet use conventions of owner-LISTNAME@ or LISTNAME-owner@ (often admins alias one to the other so both work), so if you get a bounce, mail the other) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions also lists: moderators at freebsd.org But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail postmas...@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian Okay thanks, I'll forward the original message ! Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD's CUPS / Postscript / Printing mailing-list
Hello, I'm now and than in the need of discussing CUPS / Postscript related printing questions. In the past there was www.cups.org with a CUPS related bug tracking system and user forums around CUPS. It seems that the server crashed some time ago and it's unknown when (and how) it will come back to life. Even when, it seems that some important part of CUPS (the text filters) is split away to the 'open printing folks', and I'm unsure if the forums will cover the full tool chain: from the file, through the job scheduler, filters, backend and printer device. That's why I wanted to ask, what about our own mailing list like freebsd-printing@ ? Even in the new age of colourful images, printing is essential for servers, and sometimes a tough job. Comments? matthias -- Matthias Apitz | /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign: www.asciiribbon.org E-mail: g...@unixarea.de | \ / - No HTML/RTF in E-mail WWW: http://www.unixarea.de/ | X - No proprietary attachments phone: +49-170-4527211 | / \ - Respect for open standards ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
seeking mailing list manager(s)
(Yes - I know there's a list owner's address. I send mail there. Nothing happens. I am chosing to believe this is a technical problem, perhaps part of the same problem about which I wish to complain.) Hello: Would someone repsonsible for the mamagement of this mailing list please contact me privately? Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: seeking mailing list manager(s)
On Sun, 2013-04-07 at 07:53 -0400, Robert Huff wrote: (Yes - I know there's a list owner's address. I send mail there. Nothing happens. I am chosing to believe this is a technical problem, perhaps part of the same problem about which I wish to complain.) Hello: Would someone repsonsible for the mamagement of this mailing list please contact me privately? Respectfully, Robert Huff You mail was redirected to my junk folder and when I marked it as not being junk, it was sorted by the mails' date and I had to sort by the receive date, to see it within the new received mails. I'm not from mailing list management, so I can't help you, but perhaps your mails don't came through regarding to spam filters. Some ISPs from time to time are blackhole listed. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Please manually remove me from this mailing list
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 05:55:41PM -0600, Troy wrote: I have tried to get off this mailing list. I have received the confirmation saying it was successful and mail still comes. I have two aliases - and I removed both just to be sure. One is sindr...@twisted.net an the other t...@twisted.net -- someone will have to manually remove me Thanks http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions 1. Log on to the above URL 2. On the bottom, there is a 'Unsubscribe or edit options', fill out your email address there. Log on with your mailing list password. If you don't know the password, search your mailbox for those monthly notifications from the mailing list. 3. There is an 'Unsubscribe' button, and also remeber to tick 'Yes, I really want to unsubscribe'. In this way, you won't need an email confirmation for the unsubscription. -- Regards, Hugh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Please manually remove me from this mailing list
I have tried to get off this mailing list. I have received the confirmation saying it was successful and mail still comes. I have two aliases - and I removed both just to be sure. One is sindr...@twisted.net an the other t...@twisted.net -- someone will have to manually remove me Thanks ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Removal of content from the mailing list
Who should I talk to about removing a thread from the mailing list? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Removal of content from the mailing list
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:03:46AM +0800, yt wrote: Who should I talk to about removing a thread from the mailing list? As has been mentioned many times in the lists - it's a lost cause. These lists are archived, mirrored and otherwise duplicated hundreds or even thousands of times around the world. There is no way to get something removed from all of that - even if there was a procedure for getting it off the main list. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Removal of content from the mailing list
On 2/9/12, yt corvusborea...@gmail.com wrote: Who should I talk to about removing a thread from the mailing list? With the countless number of mirrors this list has, it's pretty much impossible. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Mailing list recommend
Default Mail SignatureHi All - can anyone recommend an easy / simple mailing list software? All I need is to subscribe/ un-subscribe and a little maintainance of users. MySQL if its worth it, or a just php? Any pointers appreciated! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list recommend
On Sun, Feb 05, 2012 at 09:59:06PM -, Graham Bentley wrote: Default Mail SignatureHi All - can anyone recommend an easy / simple mailing list software? All I need is to subscribe/ un-subscribe and a little maintainance of users. MySQL if its worth it, or a just php? Any pointers appreciated! try mailman. You may hink it to be overkil for your purpose, but it is good and fairly easy to set up and use. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list recommend
On 02/06/12 07:59, Graham Bentley wrote: Default Mail SignatureHi All - can anyone recommend an easy / simple mailing list software? All I need is to subscribe/ un-subscribe and a little maintainance of users. MySQL if its worth it, or a just php? Any pointers appreciated! This one is run by mailman if that helps. I'm pretty sure the volunteers here don't want to be micromanaging all the lists, so it seems to fit your bill. Don't know about MySQL or php though. HTH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
mailing list and personal assaults
I as a normal sys admin like to read the mailing lists, because it learned me a lot, and it still does. But lately it looks like more and more people get personal! The word ass, has passed this year even more then i used my own. Maybe it is the time we live in, but please ! If you are not agree with someone's statement or thoughts, ignore it or write your thoughts and be done with it. regards Johan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list and personal assaults
From: Johan Hendriks joh.hendr...@gmail.com To: FreeBSD freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 8:58 AM Subject: mailing list and personal assaults I as a normal sys admin like to read the mailing lists, because it learned me a lot, and it still does. But lately it looks like more and more people get personal! The word ass, has passed this year even more then i used my own. Maybe it is the time we live in, but please ! If you are not agree with someone's statement or thoughts, ignore it or write your thoughts and be done with it. regards Johan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I agree. A mailing list like this should not fall to the lowest common denominator. And I would like to add that while this community seems to be an exception, far too often someone wastes bandwidth and bytes by telling the person with a question to RTFM. I just finished a rather complicated project which took me days to resolve and several times when I asked questions there was always some wise crack at hand who would make the commen that if you just RTFM everything would be fine. In this case the manuals were lacking and most of the data was obselete or irrelavent to the project I was conductingkind of like FreeBSD documentation. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list and personal assaults
On 01/03/12 08:19, Bill Tillman wrote: I agree. A mailing list like this should not fall to the lowest common denominator. And I would like to add that while this community seems to be an exception, far too often someone wastes bandwidth and bytes by telling the person with a question to RTFM. I just finished a rather complicated project which took me days to resolve and several times when I asked questions there was always some wise crack at hand who would make the commen that if you just RTFM everything would be fine. In this case the manuals were lacking and most of the data was obselete or irrelavent to the project I was conductingkind of like FreeBSD documentation. That is unfortunately the case more often then not. There are use cases out there, but a lot of times the description of actually config variables is obscure. I'm hoping to try and fix that, but its on a todo list. I'll post something when I have it up and running. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: 'Which' Mailing List Command
On 18/09/2011 22:11, Jason C. Wells wrote: There used to be a command to get a list of subscriptions from majordomo. What is the equivalent for mailman? I just got the help command for -questions. There doesn't seem to be a 'which' command. For mailman, you can access the list of subscribers from the web interface *if* you are a list admin. Well, in theory you could see it if the list has been configured to show all subscribers to anyone, but no-one sane configures mailman that way, given the potential for address harvesting by spammers. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
--As of April 8, 2011 3:50:52 PM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who isn't on the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That would be why people who aren't members of the list say thinks like please CC me, while people who are members occasionally say please don't send duplicates to me. --As for the rest, it is mine. Of course that's hard to keep track of, and a manual process on the part of the persons sending the messages. ;) (And if it's not mentioned in the specific email you are replying to, you either have to rely on memory or guess.) I've seen a variety of other solutions to this. Some mailing lists programs will even check to see if the message has been sent to you directly, and if so avoid sending another copy to you. Usually that's an option, and I tend to turn it off: It just means my filters don't work on the message I get. If you have an email client that supports it, there is one good way to reliably indicate your preference: The 'Reply-To:' header. I set mine to the mailing list when sending to the list. Nearly all mail clients will then automatically send replies to that address. Of course, that only works if I have a mail client that lets me set that header independently. My at-home client does, but I also access my email over webmail. The webmail program technically can do it, but it's interface is *very* poor. (Squirrelmail: It allows it via profiles, but all profiles are named by the sender address, unchangeable. For this use-case, the sending address is the same for all profiles.) And while *most* email clients support replies to the Reply-To address, not all do. Nor does it help if people are habitually hitting reply-all. Still, I find setting the Reply-To address works better than most of the other options. It doesn't work 100% of the time, but then neither does anything else. (Including address rewriting by the mailing list.) So, if getting two copies is annoying you, try it. You'll at least have made your preference known, without imposing it on others as their preference. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:38:26 +0100 Bruce Cran wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:15:11 +0200 Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se wrote: You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. I don't know about anyone else, but personally I like getting replies CC'd to me because they end up in my INBOX - otherwise I often don't notice someone's replied since there are so many new messages to the mailing list each day. +1 Since I'm subscribed to almost a hundred maillist I should admit that this rule is *very* helpfull to speed up conversation. -- WBR, bsam ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
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Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 04/08/11 16:21, Carmel wrote: On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 12:51:41 +0100 Arthur Chancefree...@qeng-ho.org articulated: On 04/07/11 15:32, Carmel wrote: Odhiambo, please don't CC me. I don't need multiple copies of the same post. CCing the original poster is standard etiquette on FreeBSD mailing lists. Most lists are open to anybody to mail to without being signed up, so when replying there's no way of knowing whether or not the questioner will see a reply that only goes to the list. This is especially true of freebsd-questions. 1) I have posted several times on this list and only received CC's on two of them that I can recall. Obviously your standard is not so standard. Well, it's not an ISO or IETF standard, that I'll admit. However, if you take a look at the article on getting the best out of -questions http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.html#AEN206 (which is one click away from the Mailing List Etiquette section of the Mailing List FAQ) section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote 2) I placed a very clear notice at the bottom of my post(s). Many people would consider that a clue as to my desire to receive multiple copies of the same document. My MUA (Thunderbird) greys out signature blocks, some other mailers also de-emphasise them. This and the fact that most sig blocks are just chaff means they tend not to get read. That's unfortunate on the odd occasions they have significant content. 3) Perhaps it is only me; however, most of the major lists that I employ all require a registration by the poster prior to being allowed to post. Many lists do, the FBSD lists tend not to. From the FAQ, note the final paragraph. start quote 1.3. Are the FreeBSD mailing lists open for anyone to participate? Again, this depends on charter of each individual list. Please read the charter of a mailing list before you post to it, and respect it when you post. This will help everyone to have a better experience with the lists. If after reading the above lists, you still do not know which mailing list to post a question to, you will probably want to post to freebsd-questions (but see below, first). Also note that the mailing lists have traditionally been open to postings from non-subscribers. This has been a deliberate choice, to help make joining the FreeBSD community an easier process, and to encourage open sharing of ideas. However, due to past abuse by some individuals, certain lists now have a policy where postings from non-subscribers must be manually screened to ensure that they are appropriate. end quote 4) I have seen several posts where the OP requested to be CC'd because they were not registered members of the list. Obviously, they were aware of the necessity of being CC'd or reading the archives in order to review any posts to their request. Now, is someone is just so plain stupid that they are not aware of that simple fact, then they are too stupid to be posting to begin with. Are they stupid? No. Are they unfamiliar with the way things are done round here? Quite possibly. I think you'll find that many of the people who do that are first time users or possible future users, often coming from a Linux background and/or used to closed lists. With luck, as people start using FBSD seriously they'll also take some time to read the FAQs. [For lurkers reading this, if you haven't read the Mailing List FAQ you'll find it at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/mailing-list-faq/ ] 5) If you noticed, I asked Odhiambo very nicely not to include me in a CC. I am sure he meant well; however, the inevitable destruction of electrons in the transmission of the superfluous document could have been avoided. If you interpreted my remark as criticising your politeness, I apologise. That was not the intention. Oh, and speaking as an ex-physicist, if electrons are being destroyed in transmission I'd *seriously* worry about your ISP. Either they've got a source of positrons or they've got radioactives that undergo electron capture. Either way I wouldn't want to be anywhere near their kit. Gamma rays are not good for you. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list a good reason to do otherwise. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpaRGrvGSRLO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not receiving an email? Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Quoth Chad Perrin on Friday, 08 April 2011: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list a good reason to do otherwise. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] +1 (I replied, cluttering up inboxes all over freebsdland) -- .o. | Sterling (Chip) Camden | http://camdensoftware.com ..o | sterl...@camdensoftware.com | http://chipsquips.com ooo | 2048R/D6DBAF91 | http://chipstips.com pgp0LfZmUcK7u.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:30:25PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not receiving an email? Did you overlook the words in addition to the mail from the list? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpcoeKOP9rLr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 12:34:24PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: +1 (I replied, cluttering up inboxes all over freebsdland) You didn't CC me directly, though, for which I'm grateful. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpnTlZSkroSX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:11:52 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com articulated: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list a good reason to do otherwise. Chad, it is common sense thinking like that, that will inevitable get you chastised. By the way, did you notice I directed a polite, one sentence directive towards Odhiambo. Suddenly, every buttinsky crawls out of the woodwork, sans any factual input on my original post and hijacks this thread championing their own views on replying to posts. I have no problem with that as long as they start a new thread, being sure to CC each other and thereby waste their time discussing it among themselves. To hijack another thread displays no only their lack of basic posting etiquette, but their narcissism. It is a shame when individuals like, but not limited to, Maciej Milewski, Chuck Swiger, Bryan H. and even Odhiambo contribute useful information only to be over shadowed by those other morons. Absolutely pathetic. I was going to CC all those who argued so feverishly in favor of the protocol, but then common sense and plain decency got the better of me. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 April 2011 20:28, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:30:25PM +0100, Chris Rees wrote: On 8 Apr 2011 20:25, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. While you make a valid point, how would one complain about not receiving an email? Did you overlook the words in addition to the mail from the list? My bad... Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On 8 April 2011 16:10, Carmel carmel...@hotmail.com wrote: By the way, did you notice I directed a polite, one sentence directive towards Odhiambo. Suddenly, every buttinsky crawls out of the woodwork, sans any factual input on my original post and hijacks this thread Maybe you would be better served by not using a _public_ mailing list if you don't want other people to reply to your _public_ postings. Just a hint. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list a good reason to do otherwise. You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:15:11PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote:
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote:
section 8.6 starts:
start quote
Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and
to FreeBSD-questions.
end quote
I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not*
need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see
anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the
list.
I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the
list a good reason to do otherwise.
You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to
this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed
only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists.
You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who isn't on
the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That would be why
people who aren't members of the list say thinks like please CC me,
while people who are members occasionally say please don't send
duplicates to me.
--
Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
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Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:15:11 +0200 Erik Trulsson ertr1...@student.uu.se wrote: You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. I don't know about anyone else, but personally I like getting replies CC'd to me because they end up in my INBOX - otherwise I often don't notice someone's replied since there are so many new messages to the mailing list each day. -- Bruce Cran ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:50:52 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com articulated: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 11:15:11PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 01:11:52PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 06:42:16PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: section 8.6 starts: start quote Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender and to FreeBSD-questions. end quote I, for one, am glad this does not happen more often. I really do *not* need a bunch of duplicates cluttering up my inbox. I have yet to see anyone complain of not receiving a CC in addition to the mail from the list. I consider not cluttering up the inboxes of people subscribed to the list a good reason to do otherwise. You seem to miss one crucial fact: Not all the people who write to this list are subscribed to it. They will not see any replies directed only to the list. It is for their benefit that that rule exists. You seem to fail to realize that it's possible to CC someone who isn't on the list, but not CC someone who *is* on the list. That would be why people who aren't members of the list say thinks like please CC me, while people who are members occasionally say please don't send duplicates to me. The solution to this problem is so obvious that I am amazed that no one has proposed it. Simply require the poster to be subscribed to the list. Other high quality lists, such as but not limited to Postfix have that requirement in place. If a potential poster is either too stupid or too lazy to subscribe then that is their problem. For the record, I have subscribed to lists before simple to post one question. Upon receiving an answer, I terminated my subscription. I did not feel the least bit inconvenienced. -- Carmel ✌ carmel...@hotmail.com Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Can we just drop this matter? It's bad enough that iPhone mail makes this whole ordeal a pain in the butt to read, but in the grand scheme of things, it _just doesn't matter_. I'm subscribed to the list, I expect lots of email from the list that I probably won't read anyway, but at least it's helpful to someone, somehow. My 2 cents. -Alex___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list etiquette (Was: Re: Linksys-E4200 Wireless N-router)
Hi, On Saturday 09 April 2011 05:46:43 Carmel wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 15:50:52 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com articulated: The solution to this problem is so obvious that I am amazed that no one this is a solution which creates just new problems. has proposed it. Simply require the poster to be subscribed to the list. Other high quality lists, such as but not limited to Postfix have that requirement in place. If a potential poster is either too stupid or too lazy to subscribe then that is their problem. For the record, I have subscribed to lists before simple to post one question. Upon receiving an answer, I terminated my subscription. I did not feel the least bit inconvenienced. You did not, but the rest of us would have. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sysinstall list not part of main mailing-list search engine
It appears that our beloved -sysinstall@ mailing-list does not appear on the main search page where one can search the archives. http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists Is anyone on this list capable of getting it added? -- Cheers, Devin Teske - CONTACT INFORMATION - Business Solutions Consultant II FIS - fisglobal.com 510-735-5650 Mobile 510-621-2038 Office 510-621-2020 Office Fax 909-477-4578 Home/Fax devin.te...@fisglobal.com - LEGAL DISCLAIMER - This message contains confidential and proprietary information of the sender, and is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the e-mail sender immediately, and delete the original message without making a copy. - FUN STUFF - -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version 3.1 GAT/CS d(+) s: a- C++() UB$ P++() L++() !E--- W++ N? o? K- w O M+ V- PS+ PE Y+ PGP- t(+) 5? X+(++) R++ tv(+) b+(++) DI+(++) D(+) G+++ e+ h r++ y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- http://www.geekcode.com/ - END TRANSMISSION - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list software recommendations
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:34:15 -0500 Ryan Coleman edi...@d3photography.com articulated: I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman. I'm not against others; thoughts? DADA Mail, http://dadamailproject.com/ is an excellent program. It is not in the ports system although it is on my list of things to do eventually. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ Zymurgy's Law of Volunteer Labor: People are always available for work in the past tense. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Mailing list software recommendations
I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman. I'm not against others; thoughts? To quote my: http://berklix.com/~jhs/src/bsd/fixes/FreeBSD/ports/gen/mail/mailman/files/ An agressive 5 minute killer python loop in /var/cron/tanbs/mailman has been killing my hosts for 5 years I dont know if they fixed it. What worried me was what else might be sloppy dangerous, I didnt have time/ enthusiasm to do a code read through. One day, if when after mailman has a code read through to confirm it has no more killer loops, I'd like to find time for a 2nd stab to convert all my lists on majord...@berklix.org to mailman. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Munich 18th Sept Free Software, Lectures Installs http://berklix.org/sdf/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Mailing list software recommendations
I'm thinking about installing either ezmlm or mailman. I'm not against others; thoughts? -- Ryan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Is the freeBSD mailing list using an automated ticket system?
Sorry about the blank post (hit enter by mistake): I feel I may have received a phishing e-mail. This may explain why somebody pasted their root password on the mailing list over the last few days: [#24508771] Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Wednesday, May 19, 2010 11:11 PM From freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 20 05:11:32 2010 X-Apparently-To:anti_spam...@yahoo.ca via 76.13.9.57; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:11:32 -0700 Return-Path:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received-SPF: softfail (mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com: domain of transitioning freebsd-questions@freebsd.org does not designate 208.43.146.75 as permitted sender) X-YMailISG: bN4BmMIcZAoekRfwnHPcFUPXQy4vPFD_clpLPEdD8_d4TtskiryPLE2xsmlo_rObEVSxKsUGQx5NT2Y2Ddw8vTIEq_cR1CouOg9NUfFtDq8mQKWyzHHVLEom6TBQmPilNtvwDy1eUJnIL9G8I.6szaPOCpvbgk5BFS29sElIJWMNe9iRo.tCcbW8fYsQh3dXKD_BwLfjuOKdW5IvqLv2xJRDU4YotTdgtX99kvgNKLthhezb0vr8.mE_ozYBttnGy8mzAWtFDUJL7FRIZIoeAl4mWR_j0GPwT_AS.CwAiwQQLKiSoV0tqPGfDxjCJGON3wio2oakrHY8k.EfacsELaOyS2dV7l5Yj7OGdM5KO5i_5CzXMX1Gtn9LA2OlLX3gz4ix0Zw5EerCT9ZLqi1mt7ZmZVIR7K9nLxh_QfkAL9tWiLRTh0_ap2ek4jEfOmCk9_9P.l2eoqYhsoefWlj_ABQl9ctlSr4Epq6sz_f4Nj.PqKamL1G1T5UDJAuKv5zjbEt.bfkPUhwmIJXIGkB.qlTP9KgtZOYIAnP1BfPen1aQEJC0.y0_3la1jsqjcMyW5V.4RXp5VCzuuXAslYeYkMKqwFrJ36lmZuk1uKvXUBDZONdNqDd2 X-Originating-IP: [208.43.146.75] Authentication-Results: mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com from=freebsd.org; domainkeys=neutral (no sig); from=freebsd.org; dkim=neutral (no sig) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO secure.mpcustomer.com) (208.43.146.75) by mta1044.mail.sk1.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 19 May 2010 22:11:32 -0700 Received: by secure.mpcustomer.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 39DDB279AB3; Thu, 20 May 2010 00:11:32 -0500 (CDT) To: James Phillips anti_spam...@yahoo.ca Subject:[#24508771] Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 00:11:32 -0500 From: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Add sender to Contacts Reply-To: supp...@mpcustomer.com Message-ID: a5745526da76cdd0d28769432b216...@secure.mpcustomer.com X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer (phpmailer.sourceforge.net) [version 2.0.4] X-Uberinst: uber_phase-support X-Mailer: Ubersmith MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Length: 1908 Compact Headers Hello, This is an automated response to inform you that your question has been entered into our system, and will be reviewed shortly. Your ticket has been submitted into the General Support department. We will respond to you as soon as possible. == Please keep this information, and use it when refering to your ticket: Ticket subject: Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Ticket number: 24508771 Ticket link: https://secure.mpcustomer.com/ticket.php?ticket=24508771 Ticket body: Hi! SNIPPED Regards, James Phillips ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is the freeBSD mailing list using an automated ticket system?
James Phillips wrote: Sorry about the blank post (hit enter by mistake): I feel I may have received a phishing e-mail. This may explain why somebody pasted their root password on the mailing list over the last few days: [snip] The answer is no. Some script kiddie thought it might be fun to stick the email list into this companies ticketing system, and/or vice versa by subscribing the list to the ticketing system. This is an automated response to inform you that your question has been entered into our system, and will be reviewed shortly. Your ticket has been submitted into the General Support department. We will respond to you as soon as possible. == Please keep this information, and use it when refering to your ticket: Ticket subject: Re: 7.0/i386 to 8.0/amd64 - gmirror/gstripe migration Ticket number: 24508771 Ticket link: https://secure.mpcustomer.com/ticket.php?ticket=24508771 Ticket body: Hi! SNIPPED A lot of people are seeing this, some have complained to the powers that be on both sides. I'm not 'in the loop' or totally privy but I seem to get the impression from what little I've read about the situation is it has been reported to both the company involved and postmaster. I think the last thing I recall was the company is expecting the list postmaster to 'fix' it, and have done nothing with the issue. Someone with more details may elaborate. Me, and my $.02, is that if it affected *my* ticketing system I'd do whatever I had to do to fix *my* ticketing system, irregardless of what other third party might be involved. But that's just me -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
problem with mailing list archives?
If I go to http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-questions.html;, the last weekly archive is dated March 07. What's up with that? :-) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: problem with mailing list archives?
On Tue 2010-03-30 11:55:18 UTC-0400, Robert Huff (roberth...@rcn.com) wrote: If I go to http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/freebsd-questions.html;, the last weekly archive is dated March 07. What's up with that? :-) Mar 07 means the week preceding March 7, 2010. It looks like the index hasn't been generated for mail newer than that for some reason. However there's a this week link above Mar 07 which is current, and it links to your question: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=463321+0+current/freebsd-questions For the list archives you may prefer to use this link instead: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/ ... although it only goes back to 2003, whereas the archive you pointed to goes way back to 1994! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list archive as mbox
Dan Nelson schrieb am 2010-03-07: In the last episode (Mar 07), Alexander Best said: hi there, what are the steps i need to perform to get a copy of the entire mailingslist archive of lets say freebsd-current@ in mbox format? Go to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/ where you can download weekly gzipped archives of all the mailing lists since their creation. thanks for the hint, but it would take hours to download all those gzipped files, extract them and merge them. i really need ALL the messages of a mailinglist. of course i could use the gzipped files you mentioned if i had some script for downloading extracting and merging all those files for me. alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list archive as mbox
, stdout=PIPE, stderr=devnull).stdout.readlines(): m = yre.match(line) if m: ylist.append(int(m.group(1))) return ylist def yearfiles(year): base = ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/%4d/freebsd-current; % year curl = curl -o /dev/stdout %s/ % base flist = [] for line in popen(curl, shell=True, stdout=PIPE, stderr=devnull).stdout.readlines(): m = fre.match(line) if m: flist.append(%s/%s % (base, m.group(1))) return flist def getfile(url): out = os.path.basename(url) retcode = call([curl, -o, out, url], stderr=devnull) if retcode == 0: print fetched %s % url return tuple([url, out, retcode]) if __name__ == __main__: print Fetching year list. ylist = years() if len(ylist) == 0: print No yearly archives found. sys.exit(1) print Fetching file lists for %d years. % len(ylist) flist = [] for y in ylist: f = yearfiles(y) flist = flist + f if len(flist) == 0: print No archives found. sys.exit(1) print Fetching %d archives. % len(flist) fresult = map(getfile, flist) fok = [fentry[1] for fentry in fresult if fentry[2] == 0] ferr = [fentry[1] for fentry in fresult if fentry[2] != 0] if len(fok) 0: print print Successfully downloaded %d archives % len(fok) for f in fok: print %s % f if len(ferr) 0: print print Failed to download %d archives % len(ferr) for f in ferr: print %s % f Running this with a couple of lines to limit the FTP connections a bit and fetch only parts of the freebsd-current mail archives produces the following output on my laptop: keram...@kobe:/tmp$ python foo.py Fetching year list. Fetching file lists for 3 years. Fetching 5 archives. fetched ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950101.freebsd-current.gz fetched ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950226.freebsd-current.gz fetched ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950305.freebsd-current.gz fetched ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950312.freebsd-current.gz fetched ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950319.freebsd-current.gz Successfully downloaded 5 archives 19950101.freebsd-current.gz 19950226.freebsd-current.gz 19950305.freebsd-current.gz 19950312.freebsd-current.gz 19950319.freebsd-current.gz Without the limiting code that I removed from the example, it will try to fetch all the archive files for all 17 years. Then you can simply type: gzip -cd *.freebsd-current.gz freebsd-current.mbox to produce a single UNIX mbox file with all the messages. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list archive as mbox
of error checking is the following:
#!/usr/bin/env python
from subprocess import call, Popen as popen, PIPE
import os
import re
import sys
devnull = file(/dev/null)
yre = re.compile('^d.*\s(\d+)$')
fre = re.compile(r'^.*\D(\d+.freebsd-current.gz).*$')
def years():
curl = curl -o /dev/stdout
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/;
ylist = []
for line in popen(curl, shell=True, stdout=PIPE,
stderr=devnull).stdout.readlines():
m = yre.match(line)
if m:
ylist.append(int(m.group(1)))
return ylist
def yearfiles(year):
base =
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/%4d/freebsd-current;
% year
curl = curl -o /dev/stdout %s/ % base
flist = []
for line in popen(curl, shell=True, stdout=PIPE,
stderr=devnull).stdout.readlines():
m = fre.match(line)
if m:
flist.append(%s/%s % (base, m.group(1)))
return flist
def getfile(url):
out = os.path.basename(url)
retcode = call([curl, -o, out, url], stderr=devnull)
if retcode == 0:
print fetched %s % url
return tuple([url, out, retcode])
if __name__ == __main__:
print Fetching year list.
ylist = years()
if len(ylist) == 0:
print No yearly archives found.
sys.exit(1)
print Fetching file lists for %d years. % len(ylist)
flist = []
for y in ylist:
f = yearfiles(y)
flist = flist + f
if len(flist) == 0:
print No archives found.
sys.exit(1)
print Fetching %d archives. % len(flist)
fresult = map(getfile, flist)
fok = [fentry[1] for fentry in fresult if fentry[2] == 0]
ferr = [fentry[1] for fentry in fresult if fentry[2] != 0]
if len(fok) 0:
print
print Successfully downloaded %d archives % len(fok)
for f in fok:
print %s % f
if len(ferr) 0:
print
print Failed to download %d archives % len(ferr)
for f in ferr:
print %s % f
Running this with a couple of lines to limit the FTP connections a
bit
and fetch only parts of the freebsd-current mail archives produces
the
following output on my laptop:
keram...@kobe:/tmp$ python foo.py
Fetching year list.
Fetching file lists for 3 years.
Fetching 5 archives.
fetched
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950101.freebsd-current.gz
fetched
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950226.freebsd-current.gz
fetched
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950305.freebsd-current.gz
fetched
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950312.freebsd-current.gz
fetched
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/1995/freebsd-current/19950319.freebsd-current.gz
Successfully downloaded 5 archives
19950101.freebsd-current.gz
19950226.freebsd-current.gz
19950305.freebsd-current.gz
19950312.freebsd-current.gz
19950319.freebsd-current.gz
Without the limiting code that I removed from the example, it will
try
to fetch all the archive files for all 17 years.
Then you can simply type:
gzip -cd *.freebsd-current.gz freebsd-current.mbox
to produce a single UNIX mbox file with all the messages.
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mailing list archive as mbox
hi there, what are the steps i need to perform to get a copy of the entire mailingslist archive of lets say freebsd-current@ in mbox format? cheers. alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mailing list archive as mbox
In the last episode (Mar 07), Alexander Best said: hi there, what are the steps i need to perform to get a copy of the entire mailingslist archive of lets say freebsd-current@ in mbox format? Go to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/ where you can download weekly gzipped archives of all the mailing lists since their creation. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@allantgroup.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
sSMTP, this mailing list, and helo errors
I moved email from a FreeBSD 6.2 machine to a FreeBSD 7.2 machine. On both machines, I'm using sSMTP[1] to send email to a mailserver managed by a shared hosting server, with SSL/TLS authentication. Everything works, except for one small problem -- sending email to this list. It has apparently exposed a problem with the setup. I get a Helo command rejected: Host not found error when sending to this list. The weird part is that I'm using *exactly* the same ssmtp.conf file on both the 7.2 system and the 6.2 system. As you can see -- since this email comes from the 6.2 system -- that configuration file isn't causing any problems sending with sSMTP on 6.2, so I'm a little confused about the cause of the problem. Where else should I look for a problem? My MUA is Mutt (and yes, that's using exactly the same configuration file too). Thanks in advance for any help. ### NOTES 1: /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Alan Kay: I invented the term 'Object-Oriented', and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind. pgpQ76TYXzSKC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sSMTP, this mailing list, and helo errors
Chad Perrin wrote: I moved email from a FreeBSD 6.2 machine to a FreeBSD 7.2 machine. On both machines, I'm using sSMTP[1] to send email to a mailserver managed by a shared hosting server, with SSL/TLS authentication. Everything works, except for one small problem -- sending email to this list. It has apparently exposed a problem with the setup. I get a Helo command rejected: Host not found error when sending to this list. The weird part is that I'm using *exactly* the same ssmtp.conf file on both the 7.2 system and the 6.2 system. As you can see -- since this email comes from the 6.2 system -- that configuration file isn't causing any problems sending with sSMTP on 6.2, so I'm a little confused about the cause of the problem. Where else should I look for a problem? My first guess would be DNS. Whenever I see something like a 'host not found' of this nature I think no PTR record. Although I would think wrt mail the MX record would matter. My thinking is the two configs you have mentioned being identical the problem is a third config somewhere else, and first thing I'd look at is name resolution, forward and reverse. Grab a copy of the transaction with tcpdump or Wireshark. Perhaps the list filtering software is seeing mail with a From: some domain it isn't recognizing and blocking. Tcpdump/Wireshark from both hosts and compare for differences in the mail headers, e.g., the one that works and the one that doesn't. With Wireshark this is easy, just start a capture, send an email, stop capture, and use the Follow TCP Stream menu option. Or use tcpdump and import it into Wireshark. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: sSMTP, this mailing list, and helo errors
I evidently forgot to disable Sendmail in my rc.conf on the 7.2 machine, which in turn reminded me that I had forgotten to change the mailer.conf to indicate my alternate MTA for sending emails. This means that my ssmtp.conf file was irrelevant, because sSMTP wasn't being used to send emails at all anyway. The relevant lines for mailer.conf, in case someone later on stumbles across this thread looking for a solution to the same problem, are: sendmail/usr/local/sbin/ssmtp send-mail /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp mailq /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp newaliases /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp hoststat/usr/local/sbin/ssmtp purgestat /usr/local/sbin/ssmtp If this email gets through to the list, consider my problem solved and myself suitably chagrined at having overlooked something that should have been so obvious to me. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgptv1pcZkDDR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Steve Bertrandst...@ibctech.ca wrote: Apologies up front for the off-topic'dness. I'm thoroughly enjoying my new editor, and swiftly learning and experiencing the benefits. As a matter of fact, nearly everywhere I type, the common commands come naturally, and I get frustrated that all of my software doesn't work like vi does :) Getting to the point, I'd like to find a vi(m) community, but the list subscribe that appears authoritative for vim-users bounces. I despise and refuse to belong to web forums. Given that, where can I go to follow vim discussions, without having to bring it up OT here on my favourite list? Hi, Steve Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. And, of course, there's this one: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php I'm a member of that list which is a straightforward mailing list AFAIK (Disclaimer: I do have a google account but I can't remember if that was necessary to sign up). Thanks all, I'll check out how to configure my mailer with Google Groups for this list. I've found it a very helpful list and I've learnt a lot being subscribed to it despite being a +10yr user of vim. Even Bram Molenaar posts there occasionally. Nice to know that long-term users parade around in the list. It then, is much like this one, and a few others that I am on. Before I foray into configuring my email program to work with Google Groups, I have one more (simple, I think) question regarding Vim. (I couldn't come up with the proper Gooliage): I'd like to create a keyboard map so instead of doing: - _dd (I believe the underscore is referred to as 'blackhole') I can do: - CTRL-whatever I have a lot of operations that consist of this: - p - j - $ - i - CR - ^[ - 3j - i - TABCR - ^[ - 3dd (not necessarily in that order)...and want an easier way to to do both 'dd' and 'd$' without wrecking the clipboard which I have saved a yank to. fwiw, the box I'm doing this work on is a jail (with both v4 and v6!) under: :! uname -a [No write since last change] FreeBSD name.eagle.ca 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 Cheers, Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 08:33:19PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote: [snip] And, of course, there's this one: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php I'm a member of that list which is a straightforward mailing list AFAIK (Disclaimer: I do have a google account but I can't remember if that was necessary to sign up). Thanks all, I'll check out how to configure my mailer with Google Groups for this list. There should be little in the way of configuration required for that list, they just send out plain email and you can post in the same format. I've found it a very helpful list and I've learnt a lot being subscribed to it despite being a +10yr user of vim. Even Bram Molenaar posts there occasionally. Nice to know that long-term users parade around in the list. It then, is much like this one, and a few others that I am on. Before I foray into configuring my email program to work with Google Groups, I have one more (simple, I think) question regarding Vim. (I couldn't come up with the proper Gooliage): I'd like to create a keyboard map so instead of doing: - _dd (I believe the underscore is referred to as 'blackhole') I can do: - CTRL-whatever I have a lot of operations that consist of this: - p - j - $ - i - CR - ^[ - 3j - i - TABCR - ^[ - 3dd (not necessarily in that order)...and want an easier way to to do both 'dd' and 'd$' without wrecking the clipboard which I have saved a yank to. What you refer to as a clipboard is termed a register in vim and IIRC you have the use of 26 (a-z). You can yank or delete to a register and then dd wont overwrite it. Use plain dd and yy for quick and dirty. See: :help yank You can then recall the text from that register with the put command. See: :help p As with all simple vim commands you can precede them with a number so to yank 3 lines and save them in register a: 3ayy and then to put them somewhere: ap Likewise, you can delete 3 lines place them in a named register: 3add I hope the above short demo gives you a brief outline on how to work with registers but the vim handbook has got far more info. I guess it's difficult for a new vim user who lacks the vim terminology to look for stuff. Also look into using macros if you find you are using the same commands repetitively. Have a look at marks if you're not using them already: :help m fwiw, the box I'm doing this work on is a jail (with both v4 and v6!) under: :! uname -a [No write since last change] FreeBSD name.eagle.ca 7.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE #0: Fri May 1 08:49:13 UTC 2009 r...@walker.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I'm currently in Darwin, Australia and ssh'ing back to the UK to compose this email using vim on the remote end. Latency is a bit so so but it's doable with vim :) Cheers, Steve Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Both have their merits but groups.google.com has little IMHO. Sabine -- Nicht das Schicksal zu aendern, sondern sich ihm zu unterwerfen, macht den Heroismus des autoritaeren Charakters aus. (E. Fromm) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
Sabine Baer wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Both have their merits but groups.google.com has little IMHO. Thanks Glen, Sabine, The email list bounces upon sub are coming from an aliased Google address. Not only that, I absolutely need write access. I've joined groups through Google previously (that fit into my mailer), but couldn't post. There is little more frustrating when you know you can help someone, but can't speak. Although I work within an ISP network, NNTP is a protocol that has evaded me, and I don't have the time, nor the desire to learn about it. What I do know is that this ISP does not have access to a proper news server (that can be posted to), nor does any of it's direct peers. Am I missing something about posting to newsgroups? My understanding is ISP's don't utilize them anymore because of the ominous unavoidable illegal behaviour. If this is the case, ideas on a (legal) workaround so posting to text-only newsgroups would be great. Now that this has been brought up, I'd be interested if I could barder with another small ISP for this functionality. (post on -isp). Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Sabine Baerbae...@t-online.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: [...] Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. Perhaps it might be better to go to Usenet straight ahead. There's a NG comp.editors, mostly about vim. Sorry for jumping in, but I think Usenet is Usenet and Google is Google. Jump in all you want. After all, it was an admittedly [OT] post. :-) I agree. I don't see much use for Google's usenet interface. (Especially since you can't post directly from it, AFAIK.) -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
Steve Bertrand wrote: Am I missing something about posting to newsgroups? My understanding is ISP's don't utilize them anymore because of the ominous unavoidable illegal behaviour. No -- it's not legal problems, which offer no worse consequences than for defamatory postings on blogs or forums, but fashion. A lot of people seem to prefer to use web forums rather than newsgroups. I can't see any particular advantage myself, and I've always preferred the e-mail/netnews style myself. (Of course, for old farts like myself, this is a welcome return to the blessed golden age of usenet circa 1993 before the ravening hordes of AOL and it's successors descended upon it...) Because of that perceived shift, and because running a full-feed NNTP server is no trivial undertaking, many of the cheaper sort of ISPs have stopped providing NNTP as a standard part of their offerring. If this is the case, ideas on a (legal) workaround so posting to text-only newsgroups would be great. Now that this has been brought up, I'd be interested if I could barder with another small ISP for this functionality. (post on -isp). There are a number of pay-for net news services available. The ones I know of are based in Europe: http://www.eternal-september.org/ http://news.individual.net/ See also: http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/ Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW, UK signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:59:05AM -0400, Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Steve Bertrandst...@ibctech.ca wrote: Apologies up front for the off-topic'dness. I'm thoroughly enjoying my new editor, and swiftly learning and experiencing the benefits. As a matter of fact, nearly everywhere I type, the common commands come naturally, and I get frustrated that all of my software doesn't work like vi does :) Getting to the point, I'd like to find a vi(m) community, but the list subscribe that appears authoritative for vim-users bounces. I despise and refuse to belong to web forums. Given that, where can I go to follow vim discussions, without having to bring it up OT here on my favourite list? Hi, Steve Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. And, of course, there's this one: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php I'm a member of that list which is a straightforward mailing list AFAIK (Disclaimer: I do have a google account but I can't remember if that was necessary to sign up). I've found it a very helpful list and I've learnt a lot being subscribed to it despite being a +10yr user of vim. Even Bram Molenaar posts there occasionally. Recommended reading. Regards, -- Glen Barber Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
[OT] Vim mailing list
Apologies up front for the off-topic'dness. I'm thoroughly enjoying my new editor, and swiftly learning and experiencing the benefits. As a matter of fact, nearly everywhere I type, the common commands come naturally, and I get frustrated that all of my software doesn't work like vi does :) Getting to the point, I'd like to find a vi(m) community, but the list subscribe that appears authoritative for vim-users bounces. I despise and refuse to belong to web forums. Given that, where can I go to follow vim discussions, without having to bring it up OT here on my favourite list? Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [OT] Vim mailing list
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Steve Bertrandst...@ibctech.ca wrote: Apologies up front for the off-topic'dness. I'm thoroughly enjoying my new editor, and swiftly learning and experiencing the benefits. As a matter of fact, nearly everywhere I type, the common commands come naturally, and I get frustrated that all of my software doesn't work like vi does :) Getting to the point, I'd like to find a vi(m) community, but the list subscribe that appears authoritative for vim-users bounces. I despise and refuse to belong to web forums. Given that, where can I go to follow vim discussions, without having to bring it up OT here on my favourite list? Hi, Steve Google has a Vim group. I'm not sure if you need a Google account or not. And, of course, there's this one: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php Regards, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list
based on Linus Torvalds (which we ALL know is RIGHT) states that when asked if the name GNU/Linux was justified: Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you actually make a GNU distribution of Linux ... the same way that I think that Red Hat Linux is fine, or SuSE Linux or Debian Linux, because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general GNU Linux i I think is just ridiculous. (G)ot (N)othing (U)nique takes years since 1989 for http://is.gd/zGZh Hope this helps. thanks Saifi. And in the end, the world almost never heard of Linux and would have had BSD everywhere. Linus stated that he prob would have never made Linux if the litigation around BSD 4.4 had ended earlier. But why he feels like he can take over the GNU OS just because he made the kernel never made sense to me. I'm glad the GNU project finally got Hurd going though, even though they too almost went with a BSD 4.4 based kernel before Linux came along -Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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2009/5/14 Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: -- From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:04 PM To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com Cc: jerr...@msu.edu; korikov...@gmail.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: (The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS). Not true. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy thanks Saifi. based on the wiki page (which we ALL know is NEVER wrong) states that GNU/Linux is the correct form and the ONLY reason for calling it just Linux is that its easier to say and that's how its known overall in mainstream media. based on Linus Torvalds (which we ALL know is RIGHT) states that when asked if the name GNU/Linux was justified: Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you actually make a GNU distribution of Linux ... the same way that I think that Red Hat Linux is fine, or SuSE Linux or Debian Linux, because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general GNU Linux i I think is just ridiculous. (G)ot (N)othing (U)nique takes years since 1989 for http://is.gd/zGZh Hope this helps. thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org [ch...@amnesiac]~% echo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Hurd; | wc -c 38 [ch...@amnesiac]~% echo http://is.gd/zGZh |wc -c 18 Seriously, please don't obfuscate URLs when there's no real need to. Those of us who are careful prefer not to follow strange looking links; it's counterproductive. is.gd and tinyurl are great if you have to type in monstrous links like http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/10/13/Using-Vista_2700_s-Boot-Manager-to-Boot-Linux-and-Dual-Booting-with-BitLocker-Protection-with-TPM-Support.aspx However, there's no need when it's either copy-paste or click, and just confuses things. Also, Torvalds talks about stuff like that far too much. It's only fair to call it GNU/Linux; it IS GNU on top of the Linux kernel. It's like calling Mac OS X Darwin, or NeXTSTEP Mach (or worse, FreeBSD!). Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. Regards ~Korikov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Shakil Khan korikov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. You can install using sysinstall, but that will be out of date. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Shakil Khan korikov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. I'm likely missing something . . . I apologize if I am, but why can't you use CVS on linux? One of many examples found after googling installing cvs linux: http://www.freeos.com/articles/4608/ Regards ~Korikov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net www.lambdaserver.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Shakil Khan korikov...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. Regards ~Korikov download the ssrc.?? files, cat them together, and then it's a tarfile that needs these arguments to extract tar -xpzf ssrc.tgz -C /preffered/location Hopefully Linux can handle the permissions/paths correctly. --TJ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:33:44PM +0530, Shakil Khan wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. My suggestion would be to download the latest ISO and install it on a machine with full source. Then you will have kernel and everything to make a FreeBSD including the correct compilers and libraries. Kernel is really dealt with differently in FreeBSD than in Linux. Although there is a kernel, it is intimately part of the whole operating system, not a kernel which someone grabs makes up a separate distribution with. jerry Regards ~Korikov ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:55:52 -0400 From: jerr...@msu.edu To: korikov...@gmail.com CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:33:44PM +0530, Shakil Khan wrote: Hi, Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. I am on Linux and am not able to download using CVS. Can someone point me exactly and also if some links are available where I can download tar ball of FreeBSD kernek source code. My suggestion would be to download the latest ISO and install it on a machine with full source. Then you will have kernel and everything to make a FreeBSD including the correct compilers and libraries. Kernel is really dealt with differently in FreeBSD than in Linux. Although there is a kernel, it is intimately part of the whole operating system, not a kernel which someone grabs makes up a separate distribution with. to piggy-back a little more, FreeBSD is an entire Operating System whereas Linux is just a Kernel used to run the GNU Operating system (The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS). the GNU project is currently working on writing their own Kernel named Hurd based off the mach kernel. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 5/13/09, Shakil Khan korikov...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone let me know how can I download FreeBSD kernel source code. 1. Surf to http://freebsd.org. 2. Notice that there are now two flavors of FreeBSD: LATEST RELEASES * Production Release 7.2 * Production (Legacy) Release 6.4 3. Click on 'Documentation' and then 'Handbook'. 4. Scroll down to the table of contents of 'Appendix A. Obtaining FreeBSD' and review these possibilities. I suggest you try CVSup. There are CVSup clients available for virtually all Unixen systems, including Linux. NB. Now, read carefully the section on CVSup: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html You can grab whatever source you want with this method. 5. RTFM! -- Duane ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: (The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS). Not true. Please give us the credit for userland is the line of reasoning used for the puported TLA prefix ! silly actually. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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-- From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:04 PM To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com Cc: jerr...@msu.edu; korikov...@gmail.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: (The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS). Not true. Please give us the credit for userland is the line of reasoning used for the puported TLA prefix ! silly actually. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy thanks Saifi. based on the wiki page (which we ALL know is NEVER wrong) states that GNU/Linux is the correct form and the ONLY reason for calling it just Linux is that its easier to say and that's how its known overall in mainstream media. There is additional in that it also runs non-GNU based programs such as apache, but the base of it all is that Linux by itself is not an OS, just a kernel. Debian Illustrates this perfectly as they have done several different distros using different Kernels to run GNU userland, including FreeBSD ( http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ ), NetBSD, and Hurd. -Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: -- From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@twincling.org Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 9:04 PM To: Sean Cavanaugh millenia2...@hotmail.com Cc: jerr...@msu.edu; korikov...@gmail.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list On Wed, 13 May 2009, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: (The true nomenclature is GNU/Linux when refering to a Linux based OS). Not true. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy thanks Saifi. based on the wiki page (which we ALL know is NEVER wrong) states that GNU/Linux is the correct form and the ONLY reason for calling it just Linux is that its easier to say and that's how its known overall in mainstream media. based on Linus Torvalds (which we ALL know is RIGHT) states that when asked if the name GNU/Linux was justified: Well, I think it's justified, but it's justified if you actually make a GNU distribution of Linux ... the same way that I think that Red Hat Linux is fine, or SuSE Linux or Debian Linux, because if you actually make your own distribution of Linux, you get to name the thing, but calling Linux in general GNU Linux i I think is just ridiculous. (G)ot (N)othing (U)nique takes years since 1989 for http://is.gd/zGZh Hope this helps. thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose. /Leslie you will be surprised how often the code is getting modified and becomes instantly available for updating over cvs and svn routines. sending notifications to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my opinion would be nice but speaking in terms of data management very inappropriate since it is already there available for you in updated applications change log as well as planned in the todo list bundled with the source code. if there is something missing that only you could have expected i think it doesnt worth a while discussing it with someone who isnt actually doing it ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose. /Leslie At the moment there hasn't been a RELENG_7_1 tag laid down, so anything labelled 7.1 is from the RELENG_7 branch. Technically both of RELENG_7 and any RELENG_7_x are covered by the freebsd-stable@ mailing list, although there is not usually any great amount of traffic to do with the progress of new releases there. Also, RELENG_7 is a development branch: patches and updates are added to it all the time without any special fanfare or announcements; although right now as we're in the middle of a release process, that's being controlled by the Release Engineering team and is limited to bug fixes and release preparations. If you really want to track all the activity on RELENG_7 then you can join one of the lists that distributes CVS e-mails. This is the most appropriate one for your purposes: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/cvs-src Even so, that contains all the messages about all the commits to all the branches of the src collection, not just to RELENG_7. You'll need to filter it pretty stringently to pull out just the stuff you're interested in. I believe there is an internal FreeBSD service somewhere which provides quite fine grained filtering, but it may only be available to people with @freebsd.org accounts. (I saw it mentioned on a mailing list many years ago but I've mostly forgotten what I knew about it.) Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Which mailing list?
On Monday 29 September 2008 13:47:45 Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose. /Leslie If your intention is to know when 7.1-RELEASE is available and possibly track security advisories afterwards, it is the correct list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2008-February/001172.html -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which mailing list?
Mel skrev: On Monday 29 September 2008 13:47:45 Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose. /Leslie If your intention is to know when 7.1-RELEASE is available and possibly track security advisories afterwards, it is the correct list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2008-February/001172.html Well, my intention is to be updated even on the prerelease. As I understand from the answers, it might be somewhat ambiguous. Do you recommend that I update once a week for example. I understand that not all modifications will affect me, some will of course others will not Thanks /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which mailing list?
On Monday 29 September 2008 17:06:56 Leslie Jensen wrote:
Mel skrev:
On Monday 29 September 2008 13:47:45 Leslie Jensen wrote:
I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when
it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but
I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose.
/Leslie
If your intention is to know when 7.1-RELEASE is available and possibly
track security advisories afterwards, it is the correct list:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2008-February/001172.
html
Well, my intention is to be updated even on the prerelease. As I
understand from the answers, it might be somewhat ambiguous. Do you
recommend that I update once a week for example. I understand that not
all modifications will affect me, some will of course others will not
Depends what you want. Everything that goes on RELENG_7 branch currently, is a
bug fix. Each bug fix, has the risk of introducing a regression bug.
If you want to part of the process that tests this PRERELEASE and report any
bugs, confirming bugfixes etc, then you should track RELENG_7. Best way to do
that is to csup your system in the daily periodic(7). Then you can see if any
fixes have been comitted, and rebuild your system.
If you simply want to know if your system still works, subscribe to announce
to know when to stop testing and to build the final release, and build
whenever you have time.
The script below my sig, adds csup to daily, when adding
daily_csup_enable=YES to /etc/periodic.conf and putting the proper csup
file in the proper loc and/or setting the variables in /etc/periodic.conf.
--
Mel
$ cat /usr/local/etc/periodic/daily/340.csup
#!/bin/sh
#
if [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ]
then
. /etc/defaults/periodic.conf
source_periodic_confs
fi
# Set defaults
daily_csup_enable=${daily_csup_enable:-NO}
daily_csup_files=${daily_csup_files:-/etc/stable-supfile}
daily_csup_flags=${daily_csup_flags:--L2}
case $daily_csup_enable in
[Yy][Ee][Ss])
echo ''
echo 'Running csup:'
for file in ${daily_csup_files}; do
/usr/bin/csup ${daily_csup_flags} ${file}
rc=$((${rc} + $?))
done
echo ''
;;
*) rc=0;;
esac
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Re: Which mailing list?
Mel skrev: On Monday 29 September 2008 17:06:56 Leslie Jensen wrote: Mel skrev: On Monday 29 September 2008 13:47:45 Leslie Jensen wrote: I'm running FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and I want to keep track on when it's updated so that I can upgrade. I'm on the freebsd-announce list but I'm not sure if it's the right list to follow for this purpose. /Leslie If your intention is to know when 7.1-RELEASE is available and possibly track security advisories afterwards, it is the correct list: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2008-February/001172. html Well, my intention is to be updated even on the prerelease. As I understand from the answers, it might be somewhat ambiguous. Do you recommend that I update once a week for example. I understand that not all modifications will affect me, some will of course others will not Depends what you want. Everything that goes on RELENG_7 branch currently, is a bug fix. Each bug fix, has the risk of introducing a regression bug. If you want to part of the process that tests this PRERELEASE and report any bugs, confirming bugfixes etc, then you should track RELENG_7. Best way to do that is to csup your system in the daily periodic(7). Then you can see if any fixes have been comitted, and rebuild your system. If you simply want to know if your system still works, subscribe to announce to know when to stop testing and to build the final release, and build whenever you have time. The script below my sig, adds csup to daily, when adding daily_csup_enable=YES to /etc/periodic.conf and putting the proper csup file in the proper loc and/or setting the variables in /etc/periodic.conf. Thanks! I'll try it out. /Leslie ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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