Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2009, 07:59 + schrieb freebsd-questions-requ...@freebsd.org: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:45:27PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700, Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said: W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 W design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a W limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple W searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level W compare loop. I'll second that. My first job for Uncle Sugar was on a DEC 10/55 for the Air Force, and 36-bit words were a fact of life. There were lots of programs around for conversion to/from 32-bit words, just so we could talk to everybody else on Earth. CDC (Control Data) mainframe machines used 6 bit characters. I believe the 3600 series had 36 bit words. The 6000 series (6400, 6500, etc, plus 170/750) used 60 bit words but still used 6 bit characters. So, everything was all upper case. It had 12 bit 'peripheral processors' which tended the 60 bit main processor[s] so later started to use 12 bit characters or sometimes 8 in 12 to allow for upper/lower case. That was a Seymour Cray thing. He designed their early mainframes before he bolted to make his own companies (so he wouldn't have to conform to corporate control). And I always thought it was 14 bit with 7 bit characters, perhaps this is why my outputs looked strange :) This was the last model I've used: http://www.cray-cyber.org/systems/cy960.php Later CDC came out with their 180 series that used 64 bit words and 8 bit bytes. It was kind of a nice system but it was too late for them. The world was turning to clusters of cheap CPU chips running UNIX instead of massive mainframes running proprietary OSen and CDC didn't jump on that bandwagon soon or strongly or cheaply enough. Anyway, in those earliest of days, 6 bits was the economical character set. But it was an obstacle to upper/lower case characters without using some shift code. IBM and DEC started doing 8 bit bytes - I don't know just when - and that allowed eash use of upper/lower characters and so quickly determined the standard character size for a long time. Didn't need lower case at this time. REAL PROGRAMMERS USED FORTRAN http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html The problem was, the programmers packed the string into integer arrays. 2 characters in 1 integer saved a lot of space, but the VAX didn't like this style. Now that 8 bit byte is a thorn in the side of those who want to create and universalize a character set that is international. jerry Wasn't it just 3 or 4 releases ago FreeBSD went 8 bit clean ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:22:11 +0200, Heiner Strauß heiner...@yahoo.de wrote: Didn't need lower case at this time. REAL PROGRAMMERS USED FORTRAN http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html When you're there, don't miss The story about Mel. By the way... we have a Mel on our mailing list... :-) http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html Little history lesson from far away: In approx. 1950, the IBM N.O.R.C. processed numerical values only. There were no plans to make the printer print characters because no need for this was seen. Even the need for a programming language like FORTRAN wasn't seen. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700 Walt Pawley w...@wump.org At 4:44 PM +0200 8/17/09, Heiner Strauß wrote: [..] Putting the symbol names in one word helped the linker / loader a lot. Live was so easy. Heiner C(one word = 32 bit) .NOT. (some word processor software) As something of an ancient curmudgeon these days, I've enjoyed this discussion. As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level compare loop. Can I play in the ancient curmudgeonly nostalgia reunion too? While likely not all that closely related to the issue, I recall a technique I was introduced to on Control Data systems called COSY, in which one punched binary coded Hollerith cards with two characters per column encoded (six bits per character). Of course, such cards required excellent handling equipment (which Control Data had) because a stack of cards punched with 960 holes in each one had lots of opportunity for hanging chads. First real systems programming job was converting $multinat's data files from NCR 315 format (12-bit 'slabs' holding 2 6-bit alphanum upper-case characters or 3 4-bit BCD numbers, on 7 track tape and some paper tape) to IBM 360 format (8 bit EBCDIC chars or BCD numerics, on 9 track tape), which only took about 4 months, replacing a whole floor tons of gear. The NCR was also clearly designed around 80-column punch cards; 2 alphas or 3 digits or one 12-bit instruction code per column. The programmer's art was judged (by peers, not management :) on what your best single card 80-slab program could do once booted .. test runs of which involved turning up at the end of The Operator's shift and likely offering some $inducement, after conning one of the punch girls into typing 160 chars of utter gibberish for no apparent reason .. /OT nostalgia cheers, Ian___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700, Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said: W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 W design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a W limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple W searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level W compare loop. I'll second that. My first job for Uncle Sugar was on a DEC 10/55 for the Air Force, and 36-bit words were a fact of life. There were lots of programs around for conversion to/from 32-bit words, just so we could talk to everybody else on Earth. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Men are liars. We'll lie about lying if we have to. I'm an algebra liar. I figure two good lies make a positive. --Tim Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 01:45:27PM -0400, Karl Vogel wrote: On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:23:29 -0700, Walt Pawley w...@wump.org said: W As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less W a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 W design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a W limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple W searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level W compare loop. I'll second that. My first job for Uncle Sugar was on a DEC 10/55 for the Air Force, and 36-bit words were a fact of life. There were lots of programs around for conversion to/from 32-bit words, just so we could talk to everybody else on Earth. CDC (Control Data) mainframe machines used 6 bit characters. I believe the 3600 series had 36 bit words. The 6000 series (6400, 6500, etc, plus 170/750) used 60 bit words but still used 6 bit characters. So, everything was all upper case. It had 12 bit 'peripheral processors' which tended the 60 bit main processor[s] so later started to use 12 bit characters or sometimes 8 in 12 to allow for upper/lower case. That was a Seymour Cray thing. He designed their early mainframes before he bolted to make his own companies (so he wouldn't have to conform to corporate control). Later CDC came out with their 180 series that used 64 bit words and 8 bit bytes. It was kind of a nice system but it was too late for them. The world was turning to clusters of cheap CPU chips running UNIX instead of massive mainframes running proprietary OSen and CDC didn't jump on that bandwagon soon or strongly or cheaply enough. Anyway, in those earliest of days, 6 bits was the economical character set. But it was an obstacle to upper/lower case characters without using some shift code. IBM and DEC started doing 8 bit bytes - I don't know just when - and that allowed eash use of upper/lower characters and so quickly determined the standard character size for a long time. Now that 8 bit byte is a thorn in the side of those who want to create and universalize a character set that is international. jerry -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Men are liars. We'll lie about lying if we have to. I'm an algebra liar. I figure two good lies make a positive. --Tim Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:28:01 -0700, George Davidovich free...@optimis.net wrote: Sorry, but while I agree the MICROS~1 pejorative can be a bit juvenile and uncalled for, your assertion that 8.3 filenames are a thing of the past is incorrect. Furthermore, I think it wasn't a gain of comfort MICROS~1 (sorry, can't resist) inventet. As far as I remember, CP/M had 8.3 filenames too, and that was prior to DOS. (It only hadn't directories). Obviously, there's reasons for that, but this is one of those situations where an admonition of Go ahead and laugh -- it's funny! might be appropriate. Finally. By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Hi, On 17 August 2009 pm 16:25:29 Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:28:01 -0700, George Davidovich free...@optimis.net wrote: Sorry, but while I agree the MICROS~1 pejorative can be a bit juvenile and uncalled for, your assertion that 8.3 filenames are a thing of the past is incorrect. Furthermore, I think it wasn't a gain of comfort MICROS~1 (sorry, can't resist) inventet. As far as I remember, CP/M had 8.3 filenames too, and that was prior to DOS. (It only hadn't directories). wasn't it DEC with their RT-11 and RSX-11 operating systems introducing this concept which was then copied by Intel for the 8080 development systems? By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) Hey, memory was real rare those days. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and it affected all identifiers of linkable objects like variables, functions etc... Everybody familiar with FORTRAN libraries like BLAS [1] will remember that cramped namespace. ;-) [1]: http://www.netlib.org/lapack/lug/node145.html -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Hi, On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and it affected all identifiers of linkable objects I did not know that linkers resolved macros those days. Interesting. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and it affected all identifiers of linkable objects I did not know that linkers resolved macros those days. Of course they didn't. But knowing that linkers restricted the identifiers' length to 6 chars, it made sense for preprocessors to restrict them as well before passing them to the compiler and linker. Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that, but the basic restriction came from the linkers, the preprocessors only inherited it. Interesting. Erich Regards, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and it affected all identifiers of linkable objects I did not know that linkers resolved macros those days. Of course they didn't. But knowing that linkers restricted the identifiers' length to 6 chars, it made sense for preprocessors to restrict them as well before passing them to the compiler and linker. Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that, but the basic restriction came from the linkers, the preprocessors only inherited it. Interesting. Erich Regards, -cpghost. Putting the symbol names in one word helped the linker / loader a lot. Live was so easy. Heiner C(one word = 32 bit) .NOT. (some word processor software) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
At 4:44 PM +0200 8/17/09, Heiner Strauß wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 06:18:45PM +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 17 August 2009 pm 18:09:06 cpghost wrote: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:25:29AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: By the way, where did I read that #define macro names have to be unique within the first 6 (six) letters? :-) The 6 letters limit was actually a restriction of earlier linkers and it affected all identifiers of linkable objects I did not know that linkers resolved macros those days. Of course they didn't. But knowing that linkers restricted the identifiers' length to 6 chars, it made sense for preprocessors to restrict them as well before passing them to the compiler and linker. Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that, but the basic restriction came from the linkers, the preprocessors only inherited it. Interesting. Erich Regards, -cpghost. Putting the symbol names in one word helped the linker / loader a lot. Live was so easy. Heiner C(one word = 32 bit) .NOT. (some word processor software) As something of an ancient curmudgeon these days, I've enjoyed this discussion. As speculation on my part, perhaps the six character limitation is less a software issue than an early architecture issue - DEC's PDP-6/10 design used 36-bit words and packed six characters (clearly from a limited subset of the then current ASCII) per word, making simple searches very effective through symbol tables with a simple word level compare loop. While likely not all that closely related to the issue, I recall a technique I was introduced to on Control Data systems called COSY, in which one punched binary coded Hollerith cards with two characters per column encoded (six bits per character). Of course, such cards required excellent handling equipment (which Control Data had) because a stack of cards punched with 960 holes in each one had lots of opportunity for hanging chads. -- Walter M. Pawley w...@wump.org Wump Research Company 676 River Bend Road, Roseburg, OR 97471 541-672-8975 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
The average Windows user does not read what's on the screen anyway, so he will always next. :-) I get the humor, but based on this and your previous remarks regarding Windows, you're not an authority on Windows or its users - average or otherwise. It does FreeBSD a disservice when its supporters slam other platforms and implicitly (and explicitly on occasion) denigrate users of such. Since Windows 2000, the Setup program allows for deletion of partitions, creating one or more new partitions, formatting them, etc. Even DOS could do that. That is correct. However, in an earlier message you wrote: Usually, any MICROS~1 operating system attempts to completely wipe the disk it wants to install on, That might give the impression that the Setup procedure was inflexible. I assume your use of MICROS~1 is some sort of clever dig at Microsoft, but this is 2009 - not 1995 - and for the average Windows user it's meaningless and confusing. For those who do understand it, they know having 8dot3 filenames was a FEATURE, a benefit of the platform to allow applications that weren't aware of long file names to continue working. Just my thoughts, -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:54:41 -0400, Charles Oppermann chuc...@gmail.com wrote: I get the humor, but based on this and your previous remarks regarding Windows, you're not an authority on Windows or its users - average or otherwise. I may apologize for that not being the case, sadly, at least according to the last point, but it's very selective to Germany. I can't tell if Windows users in other countries behave in other ways. In my family and for friends, I'm often the computer guy and have to deal with their problems, which are usually related to Windows in many different ways. But still, my observations are quite individual, so I don't talk for everybody. It does FreeBSD a disservice when its supporters slam other platforms and implicitly (and explicitly on occasion) denigrate users of such. This may be, I agree, but hey, at least I didn't start! :-) Since Windows 2000, the Setup program allows for deletion of partitions, creating one or more new partitions, formatting them, etc. Even DOS could do that. That is correct. However, in an earlier message you wrote: Usually, any MICROS~1 operating system attempts to completely wipe the disk it wants to install on, That might give the impression that the Setup procedure was inflexible. In DOS, deleting partitions involves reading the screen (in textmode) and pressing keys (on the keyboard); in Windows setups, those tasks can usually be achieved by repeatedly pressing the Enter key. There is a default action that usually leads to destruction of any other OS, or at least of the start sectors of the disk so other operating systems can't be booted anymore because the boot manager is gone. This is quite different to installer of other operating systems that require some knowledge about what to do, and the person who does the install is responsible for taking decisions. The Windows installer, however, replaces them by (for Windows) reasonable defaults, and that is to free the way for Windows by all neccessary means. I assume your use of MICROS~1 is some sort of clever dig at Microsoft, but this is 2009 - not 1995 - and for the average Windows user it's meaningless and confusing. Meaningless? Sure. Confusing? Surely not more than Windows itself. And finally, MICROS~1 is an invention by Microsoft. So simply take it as a very individual nuance of expression by the means of the language. I know it's a VERY special kind of humour, and of course not everyone's case. :-) For those who do understand it, they know having 8dot3 filenames was a FEATURE, a benefit of the platform to allow applications that weren't aware of long file names to continue working. GeoWorks Ensemble had 8.3 filenames even in DOS. Just my thoughts, -Chuck Confirmed. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:54:41AM -0400, Charles Oppermann wrote: I assume your use of MICROS~1 is some sort of clever dig at Microsoft, but this is 2009 - not 1995 Sorry, but while I agree the MICROS~1 pejorative can be a bit juvenile and uncalled for, your assertion that 8.3 filenames are a thing of the past is incorrect. If browsing an installation CD or the contents of your local drive isn't enough to raise a few questions ... [geo...@xp] # regtool list '/HKLM/SYSTEM/CurrentControlSet/Control/FileSystem' NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation Win31FileSystem Win95TruncatedExtensions The default value for NtfsDisable8dot3NameCreation is 0. Obviously, there's reasons for that, but this is one of those situations where an admonition of Go ahead and laugh -- it's funny! might be appropriate. -- George ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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It does FreeBSD a disservice when its supporters slam other platforms and implicitly (and explicitly on occasion) denigrate users of such. I agree only insofar as nobody is ever benefited by insulting/denigrating other users. But that's not what Polytropon was doing, I don't think. Seems to me he was denigrating the Windows system itself. And this leads to where I disagree. I think denigrating other systems is a fine thing if and when the denigration is based on true differences and not unrealistic exaggeration. For example, FreeBSD is more stable than Windows--Windows sucks, it's unstable! OK, this is me denigrating Windows. Am I hurting Windows's feelings? Am I preventing a small market player from competing with the establish oligarchy? No. I'm parading the greatness of FreeBSD. Sure, I sound more like a human being having a little fun than a technical booklet, but so what--who says FreeBSD users can't be people too :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:00:31PM -0700, Raisa Brokhshtut typed: Hello, ? My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows.?Every time when I boot this PC it prompts?for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. ? Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install?the Windows operating system from CD. The FreeBSD program can not be uninstalled. Live with it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hi, Am Montag, 10. Aug 2009, 13:00:31 -0700 schrieb Raisa Brokhshtut: My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. [...] Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. [...] So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. This problem is best solved the common way Windows users do with any software: Just reinstall the desired program as often until it works. Bertram -- Bertram Scharpf Stuttgart, Deutschland/Germany http://www.bertram-scharpf.de ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Bertram Scharpf wrote: Hi, Am Montag, 10. Aug 2009, 13:00:31 -0700 schrieb Raisa Brokhshtut: My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. [...] Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. [...] So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. This problem is best solved the common way Windows users do with any software: Just reinstall the desired program as often until it works. Are you suggesting that continuous reinstalling of a program numerous times until it works is a Windows-only tactic? ...have you ever had a port that wouldn't install properly/completely on the first, or fifth try? Give the guy some credit... he at least did enough homework to find this list. To the Original Poster: The easiest way to remove FreeBSD and get back to a Windows environment would be to simply boot from a Windows install CD, and have the installer delete all 'partitions' it finds (including unknown). This of course will require having the Windows install CD. Your desktop may still have a sticker with a license key on it, in which case, you can simply borrow the Windows CD from someone else if you don't own one. Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Are you suggesting that continuous reinstalling of a program numerous times until it works is a Windows-only tactic? Bad software exists on every platform, in proportion to the platform's installed base. To the Original Poster: The easiest way to remove FreeBSD and get back to a Windows environment would be to simply boot from a Windows install CD, and have the installer delete all 'partitions' it finds (including unknown). Correct, and counter to another posters statement that Windows attempts to wipe entire disks when installing. Yes, that's the default choice, which is perfectly reasonable, but no Windows Setup will erase entire disks without plenty of warnings and give users the opportunity to keep existing partitions, including types it does not recognize. Since Windows 2000, the Setup program allows for deletion of partitions, creating one or more new partitions, formatting them, etc. Same as the FreeBSD setup, without the disk slices. This of course will require having the Windows install CD. Your desktop may still have a sticker with a license key on it, in which case, you can simply borrow the Windows CD from someone else if you don't own one. In addition, most laptop companies will provide replacement media on request. Oftentimes, a new laptop ships with a manufacturer-specific recovery CD/DVD that contain OEM version of Windows, customized for that manufacturer. If that disk is not available, check the manufacturers support website on how to get a replacement. Downloading one might be an option. As you said Steve, the important thing is the COA sticker - Certificate of Authenticity/Proof of License. Usually on the bottom of the laptop, but sometimes affixed to printed materials included with the computer. Good luck to the original poster; maybe try out FreeBSD on another machine, or when the laptop is too old to run modern versions of Windows. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:32:20 -0400, Charles Oppermann chuc...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, and counter to another posters statement that Windows attempts to wipe entire disks when installing. Yes, that's the default choice, which is perfectly reasonable, but no Windows Setup will erase entire disks without plenty of warnings and give users the opportunity to keep existing partitions, including types it does not recognize. The average Windows user does not read what's on the screen anyway, so he will always next. :-) Since Windows 2000, the Setup program allows for deletion of partitions, creating one or more new partitions, formatting them, etc. Even DOS could do that. Good luck to the original poster; maybe try out FreeBSD on another machine, or when the laptop is too old to run modern versions of Windows. It usually is as soon as it is sold. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Hello, My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. Thank you Raisa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Raisa Brokhshtut wrote: My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. Simply boot the Windows install cd and install, no need to uninstall FreeBSD first. If the system doesn't boot the cd booting from cd is possibly disabled in the bios or set as second boot option. Check the bios that the system tries to boot from first from cdrom then hard disk. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Raisa Brokhshtutqap...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. Perhaps you should talk to MS people about installing MS. FreBSD is not in your way. The MS install disc(s) should take care of freeBSD. Thank you Raisa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
Raisa Brokhshtut wrote: Hello, My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. Thank you Raisa ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Insert the Windoze install CD and boot off it. When prompted, create an NTFS or a FAT slice covering the whole drive. -- Rolf Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:00:31 -0700 (PDT), Raisa Brokhshtut qap...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. FreeBSD is not a program, it's an operating system. I don't have windows reskue cd. You don't need it, but you need the installation CD for the Windows you want to install. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. In order to install Windows, enable booting from CD (via BIOS setup) and follow the instructions presented by the installer. Usually, any MICROS~1 operating system attempts to completely wipe the disk it wants to install on, so it will (of course) remove FreeBSD while creating its own partition before installing. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: please help to uninstall FreeBSD!!!
My old desktop has FreeBSD that I have never used. One of the friends of my son installed it long ago, but no one used that PC since then. Now I want to get rid of this program and to install Windows. Every time when I boot this PC it prompts for a user login which I don't know. This guy who intalled FreeBSD is not around anymore. Anyway, I would greatly appreciate if you would guide me how to uninstall that program. I don't have windows reskue cd. So I want to completly remove that FreeBSD from my PC and to install the Windows operating system from CD. This is the best comic relief I've had in a while. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
